/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24538926
I'm going to audition and push for my avatar to be a fat ugly bald oji-san and you can't stop me

>>24539016
Please sperg out here when you get rejected.

>>24539016
Yagoo only accepts males that look like they got shit out of mangas like Black Butler.

And some people thought Uproar would be a success because "times have changed, Stars have accomplished so much" kek. Not even EOP's give a single shit about them anymore. Being part of Holostars is a death sentence to any Vtuber's carrer even before debut.

>>24539016
Wasn't that Belmond's previous avatar?

too bad they are already finalizing the production and planning our debuts very soon. the day you see me fucking your oshi live on stream is very close holobrony. my hint : nigger

>>24539443
I sometimes think I can't blame the guys themselves, the designs look like shit you see in a Yana Toboso manga and they seem limited to playing crappy games or games that the girls are already playing but in more entertaining ways.
The dudes are meant to pander to fujos and only them.so they probably can't act out differently or else they get in trouble.

I'm sure my application will get the job.

>>24539955
you look fat

They're probably shopping for the perfect fujobait

The problem is, where the FUCK are you going to find fujobait that speaks English and is cool with that angle of the business

>>24540745
Thanks, I am actually trying to go for the fat strongman body type

>>24538926
>>24539290
Post what you think a good design looks like.

>>24540842
Why do you insist on using the word “fujo” completely wrong?

>>24540842
Cover just needs to hope they get the Tumblr girls on board. They are the English version of Fujos

>>24538926
And they can't pander to chinese fuyos because reddit dragon. There's no market for them

>>24541022
Just replace fujo with femcel for the westoid version. Not that hard, cut him some slack he's obviously an EOP.

>>24541078
They want to pander to the audience of MyHero fangirls that get mad when you say a character from that show is hetero.

>>24540910

>>24538926
It will work because it worked with Nijisanji EN. Luxiem members fit their avatars really well and they are a smash hit.

I hope they just hire some bros.

>>24542931
Nijisanji seems to give their male talent more room to do more stuff and be different in terms of personality, Holostars seems like mass produced bullshit where the guys are only allowed to play or do certain things, compared to the girls who seem to have more freedom even in personality, everyone but Rob feels like a generic Shoujo manga boy.

>not trusting Yagoo
Big mistake.

>Thread about holostars
>p-p-please apply for nijisanji instead, y-y-you won't need to always stream on bilibili!

>Become a member of Holostars EN
>The only game you are allowed to play on stream is Apex Legends
>Also you have to be gay with someone in your group because if not that will piss off the Fujos
>Sit with a thumb up your ass while you watch new generations of Hololive girls join after you and get more subs and views on their stream the 1st week of their debut because they can have more personality than you

At this point I wouldn't even do it for the money

>>24543232
>holostars ccv 300-500
>Nijisanji ccv 3000-10000
I am not sure why they would ever recommend nijisanji either

>HolostarsEN
No thanks, I don't want RPR or alike join already weak branch. 100% only DD and savioufag watch them. Yagoo better tank up their funds into HolostarsJP.

>>24538926
Why is Cover so shit at managing the boys? They practically had to fend for themselves for their first year, had to built up their own fanbase from the ground up, had almost no advertisement and the only thing that saved them was the fact that the boys themselves had to collab outside of Hololive and make friends with other vtubers. And Roberu becoming a god tier meme along with Astel's insane Apex and karaoke streams.

>>24544021
Pandering to gachi and idolfags is a double-edged sword anon. Hololive should focus on female chuubas instead trying to catch up with Nijisanji. Yagoo already failed trying to copy Manjisanji back in the day and he will repeat the very mistake once again.

>>24543121
>everyone but Rob feels like a generic Shoujo manga boy
>Aru-san

The boys themselves aren't bad, their funny as hell if you can understand them. Their start was god awful with how poorly timed and badly advertised they were also Cover has no fucking clue how to manage their male branch, the Stars are hard carried by their own work and grind they had to put in over the last 2 years and UPROAR also had a really shit debut timing. Cover keeps shooting themselves in the foot whenever they try to anything with their male talents and it's the talents that end up suffering because of it. Roberu's 3D debut had wonky ass shoulders but he STILL managed to make the stream funny.

>>24544249
Yagoo and Cover in general have no idea how to cater to an audience for male vtubers, they find god tier talent and proceed to waste it by treating them like shit and expecting them to be successful immediately by shilling them to idolfags who watch Hololive for anime girls instead of letting the boys be themselves, have them find a niche they fit and let them build up an audience or cater to female chuubas. Roberu became popular because he's funny, memeable, and he's got great chemistry with everyone he meets. Astel is well known now in the JP Apex vtubing sphere, and the rest of the boys have good connections to other vtubers. They did all this themselves with only a few of the Hologals helping them out. Being Holostars is like vtubing with max difficulty.

>>24538926
they should stop aiming for fujobait and get a brotuber instead and get a cool model like masked priest or golem instead of generic anime protag

>>24544287
This

>>24544511
i want Holostars EN to have monster boys

>>24539443
Looking at NijiEN male wave 2 I think it's universal problem.
The only successful one so far is like doing the common white man relationship scam in SEA here

>>24539443
Holostars is such a debuff it pretty much created the "males can't succeed" western myth by itself.

>>24544731
Only retard that know male vtubers because of Luxiem say shit like that, Nijisanji and a lot of male vtubers have been successful for years in JP.
Stars got treated like shit by Cover with only Yagoo (who has no idea what he's doing with them) giving them any kind of support. The Stars had to fend for themselves and they STILL have to.

>>24544723
>Looking at NijiEN male wave 2 I think it's universal problem.
I don't know what group of people you're looking at, but noctyx has like, x5 the viewership of holostars despite having put in 1% of the effort. Hell, fungus intentionally tanked his stream and he still outperforms roberu. There are successful males in nijiJp and on twitch too. I'm sorry but it's specifically a holostars problem, it's not remotely a global problem.

>>24538926
>No one in the west is gonna act like the pretty boy Bishounen character

Fuck your western pretty boy Bishounen

Holostar EN will be DEEP DARK FANTASY

>>24544851
That's why I said western myth. It's totally false and only spouted by dumb EOPs but it was a common opinion here before luxiem debuted.

>>24544943
I would fucking kneel if someone just did a gachimuchi inspired vtuber but I don't think it would get many views without going for the jp audience. Japanese fluency should be mandatory for holostars regardless though.

>>24544910
Holostars have this weird thing where if you watch any of the translated clips of them their either really chill and funny with some great moments usually at their own expense.
Oga spent over 2 years with all his videos being 720p and no one told him with his entire audience just assuming he did it on purpose, he then had a mental breakdown about it on twitter and on stream and it was funny as fuck.

>>24539443
But noctyx (is that how you even spell it? the fuck comes up with these horrendous names?) also didn't do well as expected. The first lot from a company tends to do best and then you have to luck out on a Kobo.

>>24544910
No he is right, they've done much worse than the first batch. Chances are without a real star the next will follow the trend. Plus the first lot had a pretty poor start until they lucked out on the Chinese audience, not like their are infinite audiences to expand to. While NijiJP has successful men the numbers are top heavy as fuck. There are a selection of successful men and women, then a load of 2/3views. It is certainly not a company where any man is guaranteed a level of success, many get similar or worse numbers than stars.

Please don't do it Cover I'll feel bad for them ...

>>24544492
I don't understand homo beggging
>w-we had to build things from scratch
So did hololive lmao. You shart fans are whining you don't get to start with a boost, but it's your chuubas first gens job to have gotten that boost for the rest of their brand

>>24544943
Imagine.
The Holostar EN having an off collab. They are hilarious guys who talk about BL content with super macho tone. In middle of their gameplay of Smash Bros stream......

Holostar A: Why did you touch my boobs bro~~? (macho tone)

Holostar B: Fuck you! I was touching my joystick all the time! (macho tone)

>>24540910

Sweet! Another thread about the same thing with the same regurgitated talking points!

>>24545224
Fuck you Yagoo, let the boys do more than BL bullshit

>>24545224
It was funnier last time when the guy cried about his audition. This is just a mix of the stop being idols and nijicn crowd.

>>24545112
We're talking about Holostars not the ass and tits in Holokek, dumbass.
People already know the girls didn't do well when they first started but Cover actually takes care of them. What's their excuse with the boys?

>>24542699
KINO

Cover needs to hire someone who actually knows how to market male talents because it's obvious Holopro will never work if they don't even know how to manage them, NijiEN has mogging Hololive for months and StarsEN would need to find their own audience outside fujos because they'd still have to be idols

>>24545079
Doesn't fungus get more ccw than any of the nijien girls? They may not have as much success as luxiem but noctyx was an acceptable success by all reasonable standards. Holostars remains something that only exists as Yagoo's pet project after 2 whole years of hard work. If the company ever went public, which I hope it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if investors tried to shitcan the branch.

>>24545445
At this point I believe that whoever handles the guys is probably a dirty fujoshi who only wants them to herself.

>>24545445
A virtual boy band is the only way to make HolostarEN successful. They should find some music indies and form them into a band.

>>24545445
>Cover needs to hire someone who actually knows how to market male talents
>StarsEN would need to find their own audience outside fujos because they'd still have to be idols
Sounds perfectly logical and solid idea. But have you ever considered the possibility that such market doesn't exist?

Actually, I am very curious to know the opinion of a female fan who watched Niji and Stars. Why do they prefer Niji over Stars? What improvements can be made? What else they want to see but haven't exist yet?

>>24545453
He does - he also doesn't pander, plays what he wants to play, acts like he wants to acts and he is still doing much better than the females.

>>24545453
It feels like the EN vtubing scene is really first come first serve, Luxiem did well because their basically the first ever male vtubing group by a big name company, they pander to fujos and Nijisanji doesn't have any problems with chinks so they had everything going for them.
Noctyx isn't as successful by comparison but they've got great numbers for being a 2nd gen and they did a lot better then NijiEN's girls due to the fact that Luxiem already had people wanting more and HoloEN is the go to place for waifu vtubers.

>>24545801
A very clever idea.Very clever.
I'm now imagining a male version of K-ON. Seems kinda kino?

>>24545338
Like what? Lives? Public advertising? They have that as well.
They're giving them exactly the same deal though? 3D Model at 100k. Small allowance with a loose contractual agreement to stream three times a week. Alternate outfits. This is the deal the first generations signed up for as well with no assurance of anything more. They even have a manager that is magnitudes more efficient than any in the other branches.
The complaint can be that Cover has no idea how to market them, but on support? I'm not seeing much difference.

>>24545830
as someone who watches StarsJP, i honestly didn't like NijiEN as much even though i like the guys at NijiJP i think it's because i'm not much of a fujo and i'm used to Stars being comfy and calm not sure how Cover will pull off StarsEN but i want them to be unique and not be like NijiEN with how creepy and thirsty their chats are

>>24545950
>not sure how Cover will pull off StarsEN
EN 2 Council lets gooooo!~~~
Uproar lets gooooo!~~~

I'm not exactly a negative person, but no sane holofan will be positive when it comes to new EN and Stars debut.

>>24545950
stars EN is gonna be council 2.0 - they are gonna hire big numbers who are all as spicy as bread. You won't watch them and neither will the fujos since there will be noone they can leech of.

>>24545906
>using the ads for the stars AFTER they managed to get some form of success
The boys are advertised as idols but Cover never showcases their strong points and expects their brand to be taken the same way the girls did. Holostars was ignored for a long ass time by Cover until they found their own ground, don't act like their debuts weren't fucking trainwrecks with Miyabi suffering because of it.

>>24545864
Kinda like Strawberry Prince in JP scene, a virtual boy band group who not only making music but also doing comedy skit and live streaming.

>>24546027
>>24546034
i don't want StarsEN to be spicy or fujobait, i want them to be fun to watch with a unique theme to them, also it's creepy to ship Stars together since their main aspect is being family

>>24546057
people will never acknowledge the fact that the stars were ignored until they got some popularity.

>>24546131
Listen - if they are fun to watch or not, Cover won't know. This will be completely random. Cover will do their utmost to hire the most boring fucks ever, if one or two of the 5 are fun to watch or not, we won't know.

>>24545801
>>24546118
Honestly, that could work but unfortunately Cover is retarded when it comes to selling their male talents. If by some miracle the boys end up being some really interesting boy band theme'd group I'll kneel forever and never question Cover again.

>>24545801
>>24546118
Honestly, that could work really well. But unfortunately Cover is retarded when managing their male talents so any chances of the StarsEN being an interesting boyband theme'd group would miracle.

>>24546204
>>24546287
Fucking hell. I thought my comment didn't send so I made a new one. What the fuck.

>>24544971
Was anyone expecting Luxiem to land a majority Chinese audience though?

>>24546203
auditions are still going so i have no idea what Cover is looking for or do they not how to find male talents for EN since a lot of guys are heading to Nijisanji now after seeing how shit Cover treats their boys

>>24545224
May as well close the whole board then.

>>24546432
I don't think anyone was expecting anything from Luxiem until they realized women also like hot anime characters that cater to them and Chinese fujos are a huge market that Hololive has no access to.

>>24546057
>The boys are advertised as idols but Cover never showcases their strong points and expects their brand to be taken the same way the girls did.
You try and tell me the strong points of Choco, Aki, Shion, Mel, right now, without thinking.
Cover didn't help much in advertising Hologirls' strong points.

Most people claimed that Holostar is unsuccessful due to lack of exposure, so they begged for collabs with Hologirls. But this is probably incorrect. After watching Hololive for one year, most fans know all the names of Holomem, and recognized all faces of Holostar. Hololive fans KNEW Stars, they just decided not to watch it.

It doesn't take long for Kobo to get exposure and become famous, it took one or two years for Hololive to get exposure and become famous. Holostars has been around for 3 years, I think it has gotten enough exposure, it just doesn’t have a decent market for them. Or maybe they haven’t recruited their male Pekora or Korone. Exposure is probably not the issue. Stars is unlike some small corpo or indie, where exposure is indeed an issue.

the problem i keep seeing with stars EN is what audience are they going after considering cover is shut out of china.

are there enough thirsty TW/HK/SEA girls left after niji took them all? do they think the live EN audience is going to give them a chance?

>>24546611
i think the problem is the fact that Cover is trying to market the boys to the Hololive audience instead of just letting them do whatever they want like Nijisanji does, the boys have gotten a lot since last year now and Roberu gets over 1k viewers just on his talk streams, the Hololive fans aren't the right audience for them, Roberu and Astel are proof of this since most of Roberu's viewership is older people like housewives/office workers/adults/ sometimes teenage girls while Astel is insanely talented with a mixed audience

>>24545453
>but noctyx was an acceptable success by all reasonable standards
That wasn't the point being discussed though. It was in response to new HoloStars not being more popular than the last. When we see that is the case with new gens in general across companies, where they need a few big hits to reverse it. Also that it is a global problem as NijiJP is not guaranteed or even likely success for a guy, and with further EN gens there will likely be similar overcrowding issues.

>>24546730
Cover doesn't seem to understand the audience for the girls and an audience for the boys are different, they shouldn't try and get people who only like anime girls to watch male vtubers instead they should let their male talents find an audience that fits them, male vtubers can be successful without fujos if they just let them be fun and interesting

>>24546842
Where is this mythical 'marketing to the Hololive audience?' Even their 3D skits which could have passed without comment are put on their own channel instead of the main one. When their stuff is shilled it's on the holostarstv twitter instead of hololivetv.

>>24546965
Listen - we do not aim for nijisanji success. You are right it's to late. We don'T want them to end up as lower 3views either, which they will if Cover doesn't change the way they handle things.
Keep in mind, that Uproar sits at 200-600ccv, depending on stream and person. Sure this is normaly great and actually enough to quit your job for, but is that really how we want the holostars EN branch to be? They could be bigger than ever, bigger than Myth even, if handled right(as male streamers have always been more popular), but it took Cover 5months to openly say that their mixed audition even looks for males. They even made this panick tweet which was memed in the nijisanji discord leak. I just hope the stars branch in EN will atleast be 4views, without fujobaiting and actually be interesting to watch, but i already know that we will only get one of these things, as Cover is simply incompetent.

>>24547127
their marketed by Cover so their main audience is going to be people that follow Cover, do you think anyone who doesn't know Hololive knows what's Holostars is?
people know Holostars because their owned by the same company as the girls, who do think gets all these advertisements?

>>24547216
Luxiem started with much lower debut numbers than the female counterparts and exploded because they got NEW FANS. Then the marketing was pandered towards them.

>>24547216
...alright genius, clearly Cover should market these people to an audience outside of the audience that Cover has the ability to market to.

>>24545139
cringe yo, no christian male would do that, you either be proLGBT at that point

>>24547196
>Listen -
Please try and fit in better. You're incoherently rambling, nothing you said is in response to what I said and your rantings are nearly always based on falsehoods. But you know that, you just make these threads to vomit the same thing every day. Cry stars aren't bigger, shit on cover, shill niji, cry that every holo isn't forced to collab with stars. We get it.

>>24547010
>male vtubers can be successful without fujos
NijiJP proved this.

The question is, can a male vtuber be successful without fujos
AND female collabs
AND a small amount of male colleagues
AND being seiso?

The answer is probably half proven by Stars.

>>24547355
I responded to the wrong guy and i did start rambling, but it's ironic that you critisize me over something you are doing yourself.

>>24547399
I'm impressed Holostars have lasted this long and have actually built an audience despite having none of these things. Except for the seiso part. Good for them.

i dont watch a lot of irl streamers but they are all males right? what makes them so popular?

>>24547504
>esports player
>normal accent
>hates gaymen
there

>>24547399
The funny thing is, stars are allowed to colab with every menhera in the industrie, just not with the hololive ones. Some of the people in here don't even watch them and i am not surprised.
>>24547355
Oh and one thing i never got myself answered. Why would you have to force the holos to collab with the stars? I never got that answered. Sounds like they themselve don't want to collab with them, which you know isn't true.

>>24547399
Cover is simply using the same strategy they started out using with Hololive. They aren't even playing for the same win condition, which is why their actions seem so baffling.
The question isn't "how do we make holostars become massively successful?", the question is, "what is the best possible talent we can get who will be content even if the numbers they are getting never go beyond what they have today?"
They have always been conservative. They have never changed this. This should have been obvious with Yagoo talking about stuff like saving resources for a long rainy period, managers erring on the side of caution for everything from new projects to permissions, the 'failure to capitalize' on EN's explosive growth, and so on.
Obviously it's nice if a talent explodes and becomes massive. But it certainly doesn't seem to be their main goal.

The Holostars, of any branch, will not have success handed to them. The ones that work hard and do their reps (like Roberu, Astel, Aruran, etc) will gain a modest fanbase. They will be 3views-1k views, but /#/fags act like being a 3view is the worst thing ever, which it really isn't. They make enough money and have enough fans to do the shit they want to do, that's really all they need. Think about the small corpo or indie 2view males who will never break through, those are the ones who (You) should actually feel bad for. Comfy and mediocre=/=failure.

>>24547572
StarsJP has some really good networking among the vtubing community in both indies and Nijisanji. The only branch of Hololive they actually connect with are the ID girls, Matsuri, Choco and Fubuki, Towa and Watame are nice to them too. Calli got to sing with Rikka, Ame knows Astel.

>>24547399
>AND female collabs
Those happen, some like Ollie fairly often. But on the niji side it isn't like mixed streams are a constant, and many low tier nijis simply lack access to anyone popular outside rare occasion.
>AND a small amount of male colleagues
13 is totally enough, plus similar point as above
>AND being seiso?
This is how you can tell a thread reader. Fuck you aren't even a clip watcher cause the toilet story is very well known.

>>24547499
The Holostars are fucking based, the whole industry turned against them on day fucking one and yet here they are. Anyone who doest have that kind of fighting spirit isn't the right person for the branch. If you want easy numbers or you can't handle the external pressure from people talking shit, you are not strong enough to be a Holostar.

>>24538926
They already did, it sounded like a great idea when luxiem was doing amazing numbers and they got desperate when they saw another wave coming, but then noctyx did way worse, I'm sorry for everyone who applied thinking this time it was real, you can expect the usual "sadly we could get enough applicants" announcement soon

>>24547196
This nigga actually wants the Holostars to get fucked and overshadowed by a spinoff branch, ffs

>>24547499
Fucking respect to Miyabi and friends. Imagine being a side branch to the famous Hololive girls, and the shit Holostars have taken from girls' menhera fans. They always have to be careful with the way they interact with Hologirls. Also, after 2 years the Stars probably knew they have little chance to become big. Probably the reasons why some Stars have left.

Sometimes, I wonder if it is good idea to let Stars debut under Holopro brand, or linking them with Hologirls. Was this decision a buff or debuff to stars?

>>24547641
i actually do really love that the Stars have comfy chats that are easy to follow and the community is small enough that drama is never a thing, StarsEN will probably be fine but comparing them to stuff like Luxiem before they even exist is pretty bad when they'll probably have more comfy streams and be seiso, i want to actually enjoy watching them as long as they don't try to pander to fujos and get creepy supas and chats

>>24547616
>They have always been conservative. They have never changed this.
Even Astel has talked about this and trying to make a change. But you know, Cover.

>>24547819
>Probably the reasons why some Stars have left.
Do your reps anon
>tech issues and no support
>health problems
>beyblade

>>24547790
They will grow with it as well, just like hololive and when myth happened.
I simply don't want another Council, but that's what we are going to get.

>>24547685
>This is how you can tell a thread reader. Fuck you aren't even a clip watcher cause the toilet story is very well known.
Only if you compare NijiJP and Stars....

>>24547750
The boys really have balls of steel to keep being vtubers after their god awful debuts and Cover throwing them to the wolves to fend for themselves, they don't rely on parasocial shit or fujo pandering, they didn't have anything for their first year and their still going. That's based.

>>24547819
Some Holostars have bigger roommate channels than their own. They stay because they genuinely like it. It's a hobby that pays, it's not that strange. People run EVE corps for free.

>>24547911
>I simply don't want another Council,
A group where all but 1 have 500k subs, get good stream numbers and high super chats? Where a member like Fauna gets more ASMR VoD views than NijiEN's demoted demon lord? I dunno, I'd be more worried about pulling a noctyx.

>>24547994
Petty tribalfag with no mention of the stars in a stars thread.
What a retard

>>24547852
It seems to me like (real) Starsfags would love a version of StarsEN that is comfy, not overly BFE/fujopandering (not more than usual anyways), and has enough members that speak some Japanese to integrate well with the OG Stars. This makes sense and I think it's a good idea for people who want the Holostars as a group to succeed, not just the EN branch.

>>24545445
>Male Idol

Jus do like kpop and convince your gen mates to act like BTS. Your music and merch will explode in sale. That still depends on how much fans you'll get in debut ang quality of songs tho.

>>24547987
The Stars have always mentioned vtubing is hobby for them and ever since they found an audience that supports them they kept going because their having fun. Astel even splurged more money for his debut just for his fans, Aru-san didn't have much and being a Holostar gave him extra money to have better living conditions, Miyabi is well loved by his fanbase along with the rest of the boys. Their stories are really nice.

>>24538926
The reason why Holostars was a bad idea from the beginning is because Idol culture and Hololive are intertwined.

Unlike the males from Niji, homos can't leech off the girls who were at first the most popular (Remember when Mito was the biggest liver). So there is no possibility of cross marketing and create a male/female collab network inside Holo for the Stars. That's why they collab with girls but outside of Hololive do much.

With Homo En this problem could be solved just by allowing AND encouraging the Holo/Homo EN interactions to the maximum and try to make something like Niji EN happen.

However since that kind of interactions is the opposite of Hololive culture it will make some actual paypig unicorns mad, make people here seethe to the point of breaking containement and also maybe have an impact on the JP fans that are EN enjoyers.

It's on Cover to see if they want to hurt some of the girls' popularity in order to try to make a whole branch strive. Otherwise just releasing Homo EN and say "Holostars are your senpais, just interact with them" seems like a wild and losing gamble.

>>24548072
You shouldn't bring them up if you don't want to be swatted down Fungus.

Yagoo will go for Fujoshit always when it comes to guys, I mean look at the Uproar designs.
You are not gonna get an Oneyplays or Jschlatt Vtuber, Yagoo is not interested in that type of shit, on pretty boy bishounens that only pander to shitty NEET Fujoshits. That is why the Holostars are barely hanging on by the skin of their teeth.

>>24548201
I don't mind getting swatted down but atleast try to stay on topic and somewhat mention them so i can go and answer like a normal person. This is just faggot behaviour that doesn't deserve any answer.
Also that lazy whore you posted hasn't beaten her own subcount yet and with how things are she won't till 2024

Alright. Is this the conclusion?

Starsfan don't want Stars or StarsEN to become big. They want to maintain the comfy and same small audience. The current growth of Stars is fine.

Hololivefans want Stars to have significantly more success. These fans are trying to implement new elements to Stars, and alter the current atmosphere of Stars.

>>24548186
>allowing
They are.

>encouraging
The girls are allowed to create whatever sort of community they wish. Be that collabing with anitubers, to pure gfe. You are not encouraging but demanding while pretending the only reason it doesn't happen is some evil rule.

>>24545842
>he also doesn't pander

>>24548105
>Jus do like kpop and convince your gen mates to act like BTS

Females: Why don't I just watch real korean boys instead?

>>24548186
Cover wont force them to interact or ban them and shart beggars will learnt the hard way that most holos will simply not do stars collabs, and even the open to doing it ones will not make them popular. It will be a repeat of HoloJP and stars JP but without the muh idoru and JOP fans are mean copes

>>24548078
yes, this please. i want the EN boys to be well off enough to be fine on their own but i want their to be a good connection to their JP senpais

>>24548215
UPROAR doesn't have bad designs though, they also don't fujo pander but i'm going to assume you don't even watch any of them to even know that

>>24548285
Hololive fans generally don't care and don't want to hear about homos
Homobeggar aren't hololive fans

>>24548285
Keep the Japanese small and make the EN guys get big, It's gonna be inevitable that the guys are gonna get to work with Calli and Bae at some point and it depends on how they work.
If the guys end up being more of an older brother type that pics on the girls and do hypotheticals that make the girls question their existence for comedic value then the idolshitter purity faggot fanbase won't mind them as much because it would be more like when a talk show host invites and idol group for an interview.

>>24548156
People /here/ who don't even watch them haven't realized that the Stars basically got the neutral good ending for their branch (didn't shut down, didn't crash after the loss of several members, all made it to 100k subs, all have 3Ds/concert/promos/anime/etc)

>>24548330
>>24548363
Only people that beg for collabs are Hologirlkeks who want to destroy "muh idol culture" and don't want to admit NijiEN has been mogging the girls for months now since Luxiem has all the fujo money they have no hope of getting. Actual Stars fans want new boys to simp for and have comfy streams with.

>>24548427
StarsJP is doing way better then any of the boys even expected. Roberu even admitted he never thought they'd get this far and he's happy that Stars is where it is.

>>24548386
>keep JP small and make EN big
Terrible idea, would result in hate from all directions
>Resentment from OG Starsfags
>Hostility from Holofags
>Massive influence of chaotic newfags who don't understand or respect either holo or stars culture

Just make the EN guys the Bullet Club of Holostars.

>>24548285
Yes. Also add two more things
>the former groups hates the latter group to varying degrees
>the former group is more likely to stick around and watch the content of both StarsJP and StarsEN in the end

>>24546965
>NijiJP is not guaranteed or even likely success for a guy
The whole median CCV of Holostar in April is 507, which is only above 2 of like 30 males in Niji, one is Hajime, the other is Naruse, both boring as fuck. Sub wise, Roberu is barely below Gentsuki, only above Oliver, Axia, Hajime, Earu, and Naruse. Not to mention Superchat, we all know the meme of Manjisanji.
Joining Niji may not guarantee you success as a guy, but it can almost guarantee you better than Holostar, unfortunely.

>>24547504
the most successful males pander to males not women, that's why. holostars seem forced to pander to women

>>24548881
Manjisanji is like the Hololive of the male market, you get free subs just for existing. That's not on Holostars, that's on all male chuubas who aren't Nijis.

>>24548330
I never said forced. I said encouraging them. Remember how management "encouraged" Bae to tweet about Holostars (it was Uproar iirc) at some point?
It's not impossible they do that again but with the whole branch

>>24548881
It's actually funny that a lot of the Stars boys have good relationships with the NijiJP guys and they collab most of the time. Their dynamics feel more relaxing and natural.

>>24548502
In fact NijiEN is an ongoing example of why mixing doesn't do anything. Someone like Selen has like two collabs with Luxiem/Noctyx a week on average, not counting random pop-ins on VC. Yet her views for her average gaming fare have not changed a bit. Does Vox's fanbase watch her when the collab is on? Sure. Do they come back afterwards for her normal streams? No. It's like we're getting a whole alternate timeline to watch and people who clamor for Stars-Holo crossovers are just ignoring it.

>>24548907
The JPstars don't try to pander to women as far as I've seen. Sure, they've got their merch and stuff that pander to women but that's inevitable considering most of their audience will likely be women, just look at their live concert and cafes.

>>24549036
Who gives a fuck? The girls who do reach out will do it because they want to, and the ones who don't won't do it because they didn't want to. This is why beggars and unicorns are schizos

>>24549150
Unicorns are retards - Vox numbers go down to one third of what he usually gets when he collabs with females and he still does it, because it's fun and they are his senpais.

>>24549150
>Does Vox's fanbase watch her when the collab is on? Sure
Actually, not always. Their OW collab notably bombed.

>>24549227
The Stars don't "pander" to anyone at all. They just do whatever the fuck they want, however they want to do it, because of their own personalities. Whatever audience that attracts is a secondary concern. Managerfags and numberfags don't have the mentality that the Stars themselves have.

>>24549150
Exactly. I don't want the StarsEN boys to be associated and only watched because of the ENgirls. I want them to built their own audience as Holostars and be able to do what they like otherwise they'll never get anywhere.

>>24548303
1. you're acting like there are no repercussions of the girls doing whatever they want. "Being allowed" doesn't mean it will not suffer a backclash. Let's imagine talents were "allowed" to reveal there is a BF. Do you really think, even people more open about RM stuff and not caring about unicorns will do it? It's retarded to think it's that easy.
2. Let's not not pretend like Holo management, especially EN didn't make some dumb rules over the years. They blocked Coco collabing with EN, Mori told us she had to fight to get Vshojo collabs allowed, Pomu and Kiara's collab never happened, etc. So I don't know if they're evil but there are a lot of retarded rules.

>>24549312
You guys always say that they should do what they like, yet never acknowledge that starsjp might be banned from collabing with the japanese hololive talents.
I said this 100ths of times but they can collab with any menhera in the world, but not with any of the holo talents.

>>24549274
I mean, I expect dropout, but getting something like 4.6K over Selen's normal ~2K is still a sizable increase. That not enough of this increase stays to stand out among the random noise of day-to-day stream watching, though, is telling of how little collabs do to diffuse viewers among people.

>>24549233
There is nothing in what in what I said that is about beggars, retard.
It's about how management could push a certain angle for Homo EN to be able to do well

>>24549309
Fair point. Stars have always had variety and collab with whoever especially outside the company, they've been doing a lot since their first year.

>>24549334
Literally none of that is about the Holostars fuck off

>>24549334
>you're acting like there are no repercussions of the girls doing whatever they want
Correct. For example, Fubuki does and everyone loves her. Including me. In fact multiple successful ones do, Ollie reached 1 million subs despite being Ollie. BUT OH NO PEOPLE OH FOURCHENS MIGHT BE MEAN get over yourself

>didn't make some dumb rules over the years
Yet not you can't collab with men. They let Mori on TT, they just don't like nijis (understandable).

>>24549430
isnt the first retard getting into a stars thread to talk about not stars

>>24538926
Luxiem is all but confirmed to be botting at this point. To expect en holostars to match heavily botted talents is a bad business decision. Just make a big effort on female en3.

>>24549274
It's his fourth stream on that day including one only on bilibili. His fan just can't keep up with him.

>>24549377
Actual retardation, Rikka just collabed with AZKI and (You) missed it. Let's just establish a rule that people who don't even watch the Stars shouldn't talk shit about them, ok?

>>24549460
>botting merch to be sold out and 1M+ in superchats
I am not saying some Asian OL isn'T watching Vox on their 6 devices, but i doubt they are botting like you guys pretend they are.

>>24549377
>but not with any of the holo talents
>Matsuri, Fubuki, Choco, Holo ID girls
The boys can collab with who they want, their not bared from them, that's been over for a long time now. Towa even said she'd like to hang out with the guys, AZki and Rikka are a singing duo and Astel and Izuru helped out Suisei.

>>24549476
I never shittalked the stars nor do i not know of the AZKI collab.
>>24549539
I literally made sure to say japanese holo talents first, because everyone fucking knows that they can collab with ID anytime they want.

>>24549565
>AKZi is a Japanese talent

>>24549377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cInZ3urAIiY
Or let me guess, the timer resets every time they collab so 'it was allowed then, but it isn't now!'

>>24549436
>Correct. For example, Fubuki does and everyone loves her. Including me. In fact multiple successful ones do
You're acting like the unicorns didn't throw a fit at the start of FOXDemon. The repercussion is on popularity and revenue possibility amongst the unicorns. Which is a sacrifice the talents have to make if they want to collab with Hololive.
Let's not act like Stars themselves (INCLUDING OGA) didn't talk about how it's difficult even for them to collab with Hololive because they feel bad about the said reppecussions on the fanbase

>>24549539
Oh and just to be sure - the matsuri and fubuki collabs both had huge backlashes that probably got them somewhat banned behind the scene and i bet my left toe that Kiryu saviorfag Coco went on her knees to collab with them.
>>24549607
>one collab every blue moon means they are not basically banned
Would be fucking strange if they were no collabs at all, so some happen
>>24549636
I mean, if you change my words it might sound like that, yeah. We can make every statement sound retarded that way.

>>24549565
Most of the JP girls can barely talk to guys and some of them wouldn't even know how to tackle the boys so a collab would be awkward and Starsfans wouldn't want that either. If they want to collab they'll do it the problem would be how it would happen.

>>24549668
Are the unicorns in the room with us right now?

>>24549377
>>24549476
>>24549539
Stars can collab with Hologirls, it has happened a few times. But it always damage the popularity of Hologirls, and might not bring much benefit to Stars.

Also, the people who claimed Stars can collab with Hologirls. Indeed they can, but have you ever question why does this happen so rarely? While some Stars collab frequently with girls outside Hololive. You guys DEFINITELY knew the answer after all these years.

>>24549685
Sorry but most of the japanese girls are in a relationship and believe me it's not a lesbian one.
They do not know how to talk with boys that won't anger the unicorns, if that is what you mean.
>>24549699
Exactly what i mean, guess i just got it over in a very extreme way. They can collab, but collabing with the japanese talents is such a bad move, that it's basically banned and only done sparely.

>>24549690
Shut the fuck up. You can deny reality as much as you want to but that's the truth.
Here's Oga talking about it https://youtu.be/7utiGCAkIY8
Check the original stream if you're not an EOP because the translation is horrible

>>24549671
>one collab
>ignoring AZki and Rikka had a live concert together and AZki singings with Rikka on his channel
Is see you don't watch Holostars.

>>24549699
That's not a ban. People are saying they are banned which is objectively false, and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary simple as. I think people are just saying these meme phrases without actually paying attention to anything

>>24549760
STFU rikka was also on the stage with calliope - it's rikka.

>>24549764
I call it a ban and you won't stop me by calling it objectively false. We aren't in court and the results are close to the same anyways.

>>24548186
Holostars should leech off VSPO

>>24549764
Be kind anon, their English is fairly limited.

>>24549735
>basically banned
Thats not what a ban is retardchama. A ban is an OFFICIAL restriction, from management, from the company, etc. Being discouraged is not the same thing.

>>24549808
If you want to use incorrect terminology it's on your head, but then the word is essentially meaningless because it has no ramifications for anything.

>>24549808
>I call it a ban
This anon making up new word definitions and actually defending it

>>24549788
>Rikka's god tier voice lets him collab with women
Holoroid is built different apparently.

>>24549735
>basically banned
do you even know what "banned" means?

>>24549858
>he doesn't know game lingo
Or should i say she? I will call it a ban because it's both discouraged AND looked down upon and usually doesn't come with many pros. Especially if it's done to many times. Some collabs seem to be there simply because it would put Cover into the bad light as well.
>>24549896
I am not. I fully agree that it's technically not a ban but the result is somewhat the same so it's basically a ban. You are basically putting a crying fit that i call orrange juice that has been deluded with Water, "basically 100% orangejuice" when it's technically only 60% orange juice.
>>24549949
do you know what "basically" means?

>>24549036
That's not what happened. Bae wanted to welcome them but was unsure if she was allowed to because they weren't following Hololive members. Management reassured her it was allowed and helped her write her messages.

Why would girls want to collab with the boys when they know damn well that most of their fanbase are into idol unicorn thing and in their eyes unless it's an official/big group collab 1 on 1 collab means defiling their oshi? I'm sure collabs would happen more often if stars could pull 10-25k CCV like Kuzuha does but what merit is there for someone like Peko, Miko or Marine to collab with someone who has 50-100 times smaller audience (CCV)? They are not obligated to be savior fags and sacrifice their income because of that.

>>24549840
Holostars should stay way from creepy fanbases with an uncomfortable amount of parasocial shit with their vtubers. StarsEN would need to be very, very careful.

>>24549509
>OL
Ask me how I know you're a vox poster you stinking ugly pimple faced teenaged retarded hong konger. Ask me.

>>24550019
>mutt/seanig cope being mad about a british boy making more money than him
Ask me how i know that.

>>24550045
Hahaha! I totally found you out instantly hahahaa!

>>24549973
Only people that ask for collabs are Hologirlkeks, people who actually watch the Stars don't care about collabs with the girls since their only there for the guys and the guys have their own network outside of Holo to collab with.

>>24549758
>I think it's a good decision for Holomen to not contact us
Kek. A Holostars himself said it and you're all trying to act as if there isn't any issue?

>>24549964
Anon, just take the loss and go. No one is buying this word sorcery of yours

>>24550158
I am taking the loss, like a sore loser and won't go since i am been on stars threads for ages. Both sides am being petty, but atleast we agree on what's actually happening.

All this talk about StarsJP and StarsEN is pretty insane considering the EN boys don't even exist yet. We don't even know if we'll get them this year.

>>24549964
All right. Let's go with your current usage of the word 'ban'. Let's return to your original point.
>You guys always say that they should do what they like, yet never acknowledge that starsjp might be banned from collabing with the japanese hololive talents.
>I said this 100ths of times but they can collab with any menhera in the world, but not with any of the holo talents.

So, using your new definition of 'ban'. With your own words. What you actually SAID was,

>You guys always say that they should do what they like, yet never acknowledge that starsjp does not collab with hologirls because it:

-damages the popularity of the hologirls
-may not bring much benefit to stars
-is discouraged
-is looked down upon

Alright. Great. It is a speculative description of the current situation that bears consideration.

How...does this change anything? Let's assume we accept this. Where do we go...from here?

>>24550227
I mean, you aren't taking it at all. You are doubling down on your made up word. I'm from the stars thread too, I don't know why anyone would call something that isn't a company policy restriction a "ban".

>>24550320
I always used basically a ban - not ban. Didn'T read.

>>24550319
We definitely won't get them this year, and I hope that means some of these shitstorms will have calmed down by that point.

>>24550099
I don't know why people take Oga's words as the whole group's anyway. Astel for example doesn't think this way.

>>24550367
Then that's just poor word choice, and people are disagreeing with your usage of that word, naturally, because it implies something that isn't technically true.

>>24550485
Yeah, it is. I do like to use the word because people who do not watch stars believe in the fact that they simply do not collab with each other, because they don't want to, which as well, is very far away from the truth.
I have derailed this thread for to long just to protect my own ego - gonna lurk now. Let's talk about the actual topic again.

>>24550419
Anons here really think the talents are so aggressively micromanaged when for the most part the truth is they are left to do whatever they want, unless some kind of drama happens or they do something they are explicitly not allowed to do.

>>24550419
i think people are forgetting the boys are very much individuals with what they do and Oga is surprisingly more shy when it comes to collabs since he prefers to do solo stream in general

>>24550563
>You like to use the word to confuse people who don't watch the Stars into thinking something that isn't true
Got it

>>24550367
You didn't read my post either. It's trying to get you to get to your point, because saying 'starjp are Basically Banned from collabing with hololive talents' doesn't actually do anything to further the discussion.
Normally, when we use the term 'ban', you can essentially do only two things with it. You can 'impose' a ban where none existed, or you can 'lift' a ban where one was imposed. But we can do neither with this curious form of what is 'basically a ban' - because none of the factors causing it are 'imposed' in the common sense of the word 'impose', which implies that a person, or organization, has utilized its own authority to force conditions upon something or someone. This has not occurred.
So how can we work with your 'basic ban'?

>>24550419
This is not the issue. If it's the feeling of one of them it indicates that IT IS a problem. Some might disagree with him some agree. But it's useless to act as if "yeah everything is fine, they're all allowed to collab if they want to" is just burying your head into the sand and refusing to admit the issue.

>>24550406
Hope the StarsEN boys will at least have a good welcome since there's so much shit happening in EN vtubing right now and how weird people are since Luxiem came out.

>>24549685
The "don't how to talk to Bois" excuse only works with a handful of hololive talents that are legitimately autistic like Aqua or Pekora. The rest of them just say that to not anger her unicorns

>>24550627
Anon, let's be honest, who cares? Nothing is going to change, either get used to it or find something else. That one person (if you know you know) who always complains about this is openly a Nijisanji fans who seems to be upset that Cover will never work like Niji does, instead of just adjusting to the way things work in a different group and appreciating things for what they are.

>>24550627
Okay, so your actual issue is that there are factors, both internal and external, that discourage collabing. No one makes any secret of these, they have been discussed ad nauseam. It hurts the girls' numbers and alienates their viewerbase, it hurts the guys' numbers and alienates their viewerbase. We have acknowledged the issue.
And...? I seriously don't know where you're going with this.

>>24550627
We should act like things are fine. Fans should be respectful, I know that's not a popular take on /vt/ but it's true. That's not our business to pry into.

>>24550845
i don't think Cover is ever going to understand how to utilize their male talents and that's just a fact at this point

>>24550899
You aren't a manager, you are an onlooker. If you actually give a shit about the Holostars, instead of whining, go watch streams and promote them, and don't bring drama or a bad reputation to the fanbase. That's all anyone has to do.

>>24549973
>I'm sure collabs would happen more often if stars could pull 10-25k CCV like Kuzuha does

I think the opposite.

1) Kuzuha didn't collab with Pekora, because Pekora is not stupid enough to cuck her fanbase and stir controversies/dramas.

2) The more popular the Stars became, the less they need exposure from Hologirls. But I bet Matsuri will be happy to collab with Stars more often.

>>24550977
i DO watch the Stars, i've been watching them since last year, dumbass.
not even Covershills can defend how they treated the Stars at the beginning, people are just grateful their still around and doing better because of their own efforts

>>24550899
You keep using various versions of 'utilize', 'handle', 'manage' but you haven't even given a single example of how this might be done. Literally a useless manager in a meeting going 'we need to capitalize on our X division better!' but when you ask him how exactly he just gives you a blank stare.

Everything a HoloStars EN thread appears, it's the same anon with the same answers. I feel like you make these anon to vent over the fact they rejected you. Let it go

>>24550860
I never said that was secret, I even implied it's obvious.
My point is: this is the biggest reason why Holostars are not successful. It's a problem intrinsec of Holostars being under the Hololive production umbrella.

>>24545139
Have you checked out Game Grumps yet? You might like their content.

>>24550013
Holostar was always in a difficult position, but they've found their style after a long while. StarsEN is tricky move, it either change nothing, or change everything. I doubt EU hires share the mentality of current Stars. I mean, HoloEN is very different with HoloJP, but these branches are kinda separated. StarsJP and StarsEN could be highly intertwined, if latter can speak good japanese.

>>24551075
they need to promote them as individuals and not give them shit timing by making them debut when their showing off their new gen of hologirls, they need the EN branch to be unique enough to stand out like give them a gimmick like their a boy band of monster boys without any fujo pandering, tap into markets that actually want to watch vtubers like weebs and teenagers, stop trying to make separate spin-off groups when the main groups' fanbase is already small

>>24551127
Okay. Considering the sheer inertia of the hololive fanbase, this problem is not solvable in the slightest. Then you have two choices: Either remove holostars from the hololive production umbrella entirely and spin off a company as unrelated as possible with the same talent, or accept that there is a cap to the amount of success you can attain and that it is better than any alternative.

>>24550845
>Nothing is going to change, either get used to it or find something else
I disagree. This is a very pessimistic point of view. I want the stars to be do well both Jps and the future EN.
Holostars are talented individuals that are not getting the spotlight they deserve.
There are steps that can be taken to make to change mentalities and make at least the EN stars popular

>>24550320
Fuck you both. This is not an English thread. if none of you want to take the loss, I can take it. Also, you guys ACTUALLY understand each other's point about Stars, why fret about the English?

>>24551228
>change mentalities
How and which "mentalities"?

>>24550623
This is exactly what i mean - i did not read your post. Sorry.

>>24551213
The Holostars that are working hard are successful, and the ones that are approaching their careers casually are getting numbers that reflect that. They aren't doing /#/ numbers but they don't have to. At this point it's not on Cover, it's on the boys themselves to get on their grind and do the best they can. Aruran for example has been working super hard and it has been slowly but surely paying off. Uproar is working hard and that will pay off in the long term.

>>24551262
No, I understand his description of the situation, but I see no point. I wanted him to get to his point, because saying 'These are the reasons why holostars is not collabing with hololive - wink wink nudge nudge' is nothing but bellyaching and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that it's not simply baiting for the usual 'holos should throw caution to the wind and freely/actively collab with holostars and it will all magically turn out well for everyone'.

>>24538926
I think there are quite abit of people who want to be an idol and sing on stage. You can be a normal streamer in Holostars but the perks of it is that you can also be an idol too and have tangible success beyond the internet. They probably need to sift through tons of applications though that their idea of success, is trying to leech off the girls and "break the wall". Do it wrongly, and it will cause infighting instead.

And I do remember that Uproar itself is pretty stacked. Isn't the Yato guy was actually one of the most famous JP male vtuber before that is not Nijisanji? Its almost another Clown case.

I don't know whether a male group can be successful or not, and at this point all of them have the tools for it and success is basically on their own hand. Even Yagoo have said so, wanting them to use all the tools he have given like 3D to achieve their own success.

>>24551213
>give them shit timing by making them debut when their showing off their new gen of hologirls
I hated this decision, it felt so disrespectful and stupid. But I think it doesn't harm the popularity of Uproar a lot.

>>24551228
Great, if you want them to do better what are (You) doing? Are you watching streams? Sharing clips? Making fanart? Participating in discussions? This is what's actually going to help them grow, not marketing stuff, not even collabs (the Holostars numbers don't change much after collabs). Just plain old organic growth. That's true for JP and it will probably also be true for EN.

>>24551213
You mean you don't want them to be promoted together with HoloID? Dude, Ollie and Iofi are carrying the entire promotional for Uproar.

>>24551375
i'll never doubt the Stars have always worked hard and the new boys are actually doing really well considering their all that 50k+ which is more then their senpais had when they debuted and it's thanks to the boys that they got welcomed so much by the community, Uproar will be fine but they've got a lot to work for also i'm currently watching the collab on Shien's channel along with Rio's collab with Minase and their doing pretty good and having fun

>>24551226
I think it could be done by aggressive marketing and PR + being willing to sacrifice a part of the Hololive fanbase.
I actually think Cover is on the right track. Giving Holostars a share space with the rest at Hololive at Holofes, giving them an anime. Small steps but in the right direction

>>24551263
Unicorns mentalities, both male and female. Using Holostars EN to normalize female/male collabs in Hololive with a 2-3 years plan. And with the endgoal to make those collabs more acceptable even in JP.
I know a lot of people are against "using the girls to make the boys famous" but that's not what it's about. Hololive fanbase is the core fanbase of Cover, you can deny it. The goal would be to put more eyes on the Stars and reach more people. That's how it went in Niji JP initially.

>>24551228
> I want the stars to be do well both Jps and the future EN. Holostars are talented individuals that are not getting the spotlight they deserve. There are steps that can be taken to make to change mentalities and make at least the EN stars popular
According to some Starfags in this thread, a true Starfan should not demand change or popularity in Stars. So you are not a true Starfan, good bye.

I'm sorry

>>24551213
>Debut timings
It says something that I had to consider it for a bit but I really doubt that a new gen and their managers really didn't see that coming. It's either even higher managerial edict or they actively don't want the fanbase that would be watching the new gen. Either way it's something that even the most braindead upper management would have had brought to their attention, so it has to be deliberate.

>EN branch unique
Of course, HoloEN gen 1 was pretty unique compared to the previous JP gens. But they seem to have adopted that whole theme model for JP as well. Uproar feels like a Frankenstein of this, though, like they didn't fully embrace the theming concept.

>Fujo pandering
You're probably going to be disappointed there. Cover's intended management position opening for HoloStars EN explicitly states female-oriented content.

>Markets
This is probably impossible to shift in Cover in the short term. They have always relied on word-of-mouth and clippers.

>>24551213
>stop trying to make separate spin-off groups when the main groups' fanbase is already small
this is why many stars fans didn't even want holostars en in the first place

>>24551543
You really think I would be /here/ talking about all this if I wasn't?
An organic growth is fine but they deserve better. I remember I watched the legendary Roberu chair building stream. It took like 7 months after the stream to see one (1) clip of it on YouTube. This was one of the most interesting stream I saw of him. And Roberu is one of the most popular Stars. Things cannot stay that way

>>24551662
Watch Nijisanji instead.

>>24551648
>You mean you don't want them to be promoted together with HoloID?
????
Just asking, are you a Starfan?
For me, I don't want them to be promoted along any other non-star talents.

>>24551811
I'm a unity chad. I watch everyone. This is why I know the Stars are as interesting as everyone else and deserve to be more popular

>>24538926
Look at Niji EN males. They got more subs than the girls even if they debut after

>>24551864
PREACH!

>>24551864
Why do you then want everything you watch to be the same?

>>24551662
>I think it could be done by aggressive marketing and PR + being willing to sacrifice a part of the Hololive fanbase.
This. >>24551811

>Using Holostars EN to normalize female/male collabs in Hololive with a 2-3 years plan.
I see absolutely no point in this. Spend so much effort just to mimic Nijisanji, why not just join them instead?

>>24551893
Make sense

>>24551791
I agree that they deserve better. They have been through shit that vhuubas worse than them dont even deserve to go through. Thankfully things are better now. This is the hand we have been dealt. All we can do is be there for the Stars and hope for the best.

>>24551662
Tbh, even with Hololive EN, the only one I can somewhat see collabing with is probably Mori. I seriously doubt Kiara will be doing it given her idol dream (and will even send uncomfortable question toward her). Gura, Ame, and Ina probably will just do their own thing in their own corner and will depends alot on whether the Stars EN have the same wavelength with them or not. Council is abit too unknown but all of them seems to be shy around boys too so its up to StarsEN to approach them. StarsEN will probably connect more toward HoloID with Ollie, Risu, Iofi, and maybe Anya will probably be more open for them.

Tbh, there are alot of unknown on how they will make Stars EN. My guess is that they may recreate another Myth, so Rapper/Musician, memesters, chaotic energy, artist/calm, and gamer. There are probably alot more male candidate for those but the question becomes whether they want to be vtuber

>>24551662
First of all I disagree with your premise as above - rather than speculation we already have mutliple ongoing case studies in Nijisanji EN as to how effective cross-gender collabs would be in what is arguably a best case scenario on several fronts - culturally accepted, guerilla-enabled, heavily inequal viewer distribution. The results are not encouraging.
But setting all that aside - aggressive marketing? This is Cover we are talking about. Hololive Error is their idea of aggressive marketing. You'll be lucky to get results in a decade.

>>24551986
I sometimes wonder if you guys truely believe this - you can speculate all you want but if cover continue their Shit it doesn't even matter if they want to collab or not, it simply would come with to many negatives to collab at all. Only one who wouldnt get it is Mori but even she will stop after a while.
Also bae has male collabs, a lot of them desu.

>>24552019
I will argue that Uproar already have more agressive marketing than what HoloX is getting. Uproar got banners, cars, trucks etc. HoloX got included on C99's goodies.

>>24551986
There is no way they are going to lean into the HoloEN fanbase. They are going to try to make StarsEN develop a fanbsse of its own that will overlap comfortably with other Stars fans. I'm not saying they won't collab with some of the EN girls but people thinking that StarsEN are going to be deeply intertwined with, or even have the same management team, as HoloEN are gravely mistaken

>>24552115
Oh yeah forgot Bae so yeah she will be open too. Maybe IRyS should be open too especially if its singing collab.

>>24551662
>Unicorns mentalities, both male and female. Using Holostars EN to normalize female/male collabs in Hololive with a 2-3 years plan. And with the endgoal to make those collabs more acceptable even in JP.
lmao good luck

>>24551722
wtf...
The groups here seems kinda splitted.
1) some want changes in Star/Star EN
2) some do not want changes in Star, but want StarEN
3) some do not want StarEN

The discussion seems going in all kinds of directions.

>>24552136
I actually agree with you. Stars is achieving a natural growth that is not that intertwined with Hololive or overseas growth, which is great. That's why I'm hoping that Stars EN that joins don't have too many "groundbreaking ideas" like trying to force many collabs with the females.

But somehow some people's idea on growing Stars as soon as possible, is to make them collab more with the female sides, which is why I'm just laying down the options there.

>>24552310
It just goes to show that basically nobody cracked the code yet to make successful male groups.

Well, Luxiem kinda did but in a way, they're treading familiar ground too. Chronoir do exist, along with many of "deep ASMR voice" vtubers like Oliver Evans and others. That's why alot of people's idea are basically "just be like Nijisanji"

>>24552310
That's an accurate picture of the 3 types of Holostars fans concerning StarsEN

>>24552435
The code for all EN chuubas was cracked a long time ago
>big corpo
>first come first serve
That's why Myth blew up, that's why Luxiem blew up

>>24551954
>>24551893
>Spend so much effort just to mimic Nijisanji
Let's not act like this isn't what Cover did for the majority of Hololive existance. From live 2d to Holofes pretty much anything execpt the EN branch was an idea Anycolor had before them.
And it's because they have good ideas that it's a good thing to steal themand execute them better

And if you think the only thing that separates Niji and Holo are men/female collabs you clearly don't watch niji.
The goal is not to completely change Holo's identity and alienate the original fanbase completely. It's a slow work about acceptance by that fanbase that male/female collabs are acceptable. There are already Holo male/female collabs. Nothing will change except more possibilities for those who wish to have it happen more often without any risk of backclash.

>>24551848
Sorry, they're promoted BY HoloID, on top of other kind of promotions like the station banner, advertisement trucks and limos. You can also argue that ID groups demographic of SEA and Japanese, means that those people are more likely to come and support Stars JP compared to any other groups

>>24552019
I think Hololive Error is a very weird/unwise project. I can't imagine anyone being fond of it. It also makes me worry about the management's abilities. But the Stars 3D animation is far far better than Hologra.

>>24552603
>The goal is not to completely change Holo's identity and alienate the original fanbase completely.

>I think it could be done by aggressive marketing and PR + being willing to sacrifice a part of the Hololive fanbase.

>>24552321
StarsEN doesn't need to blown up like absolute insanity like Luxiem, what happened with Luxiem was lighting in a bottle and their literally the first of their kind. StarsEN should just focus on doing their own thing, finding their own audiences and making a name for themselves without worry about being compared to other groups.

>>24552603
Ok, and whose manager are you? Are you going to call Yagoo on the phone? Are you just spitting ideas into the wind?

>>24552673
Yes anonchama, the key word is "completely". You can't make a change like that without losing at least some people.

>>24552652
Stars anime is basically just a massive shitpost with a lot of nice easter eggs if your familiar with the boys. It's great they've made it so far that they now have their own animated skits.

>>24552677
Honestly I would hate having Luxiem levels of popularity for StarsEN. Looking at the dumpster fire that such a big fanbase creates actually made me grateful that the NijiEN branch took the first step into the market and not the Stars

I'm interested to see what they do for collabs. Will they let them have the freedom StarsJP have? If so we might see them collab with Noctyx and Luxiem lmao

>>24552783
Are you retarded? We're literally on a thread saying Holostars EN should be dropped. Most people here are pessimistic as fuck saying "things will always be this bad this we have to accept it"
I'm just pointing out it doesn't have to be the case
I'm just pointing ouy

>>24552652
I just think of ERROR as a way to experiment whether having them even more acting more differently compared to their usual streaming and how we will react. Since the first ERROR, we had that Korone's game with Chilla's Art, Polka/Fubuki/Noel as actual VA for a game, and that Fubuki+Matsuri's cameo inside Detective is Already Dead anime. All of them are plenty different scenario and they probably studying our response.

>>24552824
I'm going to be real I think the stars anime is funnier than hologra

Isn't this whole THEIR NOT ALLOWED TO COLLAB COVER BANS THEM shit pushed by one clipper and their discord?

>>24552916
The Discord doesn't even like that clipper

>>24552877
Things aren't "bad" things are ok. The Holostars are doing mid but mid is nice for them. For StarsEN we just want to make sure they have a good time and don't get too much pressure or hate from other people, and if they get numbers that's great too. It would kinda suck if StarsEN got huge numbers and completely overshadowed the original boys though

>>24552900
Same. It gets weirder and weirder each episode and the actually reminds me most of the boys aren't humans.

>>24551662
>normalize female/male collabs in Hololive with a 2-3 years plan. And with the endgoal to make those collabs more acceptable even in JP.
That's how Hololive was years ago in 2018 and 2019 and they were 2nd fiddle to Nijisanji.
Fucking hilarious how some people think that Hololive should try to normalize cross-gender stuff NOW when that's what they already did years ago but then stopped.

>>24551662
Please never go into business. You want to purposefully push away certain fans, cause you imagined that girl and boys are forced not to interact (false). But also believe their is a bigger audience to pull in by doing so, despite that not happening in practice.

Maybe you need to accept that they are streaming with who they want to. Oh and shit down for this one, maybe some of them like focusing on GFE.

>>24552603
>The goal is not to completely change Holo's identity and alienate the original fanbase completely. It's a slow work about acceptance by that fanbase that male/female collabs are acceptable.
Slowly turns a decent drama series into shit series and people will accept it because it is a slow process. Cmon.

Also, you are talking about turning a swordsman into an archer. The swordsman will always be better off being himself. Even if he managed to turn into an archer, he will still be defeated by a veteran archer in archery.

>>24552864
My one hope for StarsEN is that they don't attract whatever the hell Luxiem's fanbase has...I felt like I needed a hazmat suit when I looked at one those chats out of morbid curiosity.

>>24553142
>cause you imagined that girl and boys are forced not to interact
So did I imagined the words Oga said and put them in his mouth?
I'm not the one feeling that, some of talents are.

>>24552121
Uproar got so much more marketing than ID3 who literally only got an official announcement tweet and a Reddit post before their debut. And as expected ID3 blew Uproar out of the water.
Cover can try to market their male Vtubers as much as they want but they simply have the wrong fanbase for it.

>>24545548

>>24553081
You know that Holostars debuted in L'ay of 2019 and this was about Holostars and Hololive interacting right?
Now like me all the Stars and Hololive collabs from 2019. I'll wait.

>>24545548
>fujoshi
>wants them to herself
when will you niggers learn what that word means

>>24553061
I just think it's less "Random XD" which let's them set up actual jokes. Plus since most of the jokes are based on actual inside jokes from the Holostars themselves it's satisfying to see fans be like "oh I get that reference"

>>24552809
How much of an sacrifice do you think are acceptable for these theorized gains for holostars?

>>24553168
>Slowly turns a decent drama series into shit series and people will accept it because it is a slow process
This analogy doesn't work at all. Towa and Matsuri play with males on Apex all the time, FOXDEMON is a thing, Mori and Bae are fine with collabing with males.
Again male/female collabs are already a thing. It's not even a change structural change. It's about acceptance

>>24553273
Yep, I like that it's basically call backs to what the boys have done and said on stream or part of their lore, it makes the jokes even funnier and the voice acting the guys do is amazing.

>>24553295
On business stand of point I personally wouldn't put more than 2-3% of the existing fanbase at risk.
But for the gamble and have an actual impact to maybe work you would need to push towards a 10-15%

>>24553295
Doesn't matter because it's never going to happen, even most serious Holostars fans don't need that level of integration with Hololive since the boys have created their own unique culture. Believe it or not they don't want to just be the male side characters of Hololive, they want to be their own thing that can succeed in their own right too.

>>24553340
>Again male/female collabs are already a thing.
I don't have any opinion. I just feel like highlighting this sentence. Please don't mind me.

>>24553212
But he does collab, so whatever feeling was bull and he got over it. There wasn't enough backlash to stop more, there wasn't enough backlash to hurt friend. So there is nothing to solve here, nothing to fix.

Lets take your schizo narrative, snap our fingers and say okay all barriers removed. What if that happens and they still don't want to collab more than they are right now? spoiler that is the case right now

The real question everyone should be asking is what will EN girls do when starsEN debut. Will we get a few pity collabs from Mori/Bae here and there while the rest of them give them the JP treatment "you're basically trash so don't talk to me" or will they be more open to collabs like NijiEN but not necessarily that extreme? Has any of the EN girls actually made it clear? Is English speaking Hololive fanbase more forgiving than JP side when it comes to male-female collabs?
I can't wait for StarsEN to debut just to see what the fuck will happen with their collabs and how (un)popular will they be compared to Luxiem/Noctyx

>>24546730
Most of the Stars' fanbase is already mostly from those three places you mentioned. Take a look at their superchats. The majority of the English speakers you see aren't westerners but ESLs from SEA and Taiwan.
t. twitterfag

>>24553593
Literally all of the Holostars collab with females and Holos except Izuru (with some exceptions in his case). Their approach is to wait to be approached when it comes to the Hololive girls. If a girl hasn't collabed with a Holostar it means she hasn't gone out of her way to do it for one reason or another, simple as that. There is no company ban and it isn't any more complicated. Plus, if some of the girls have huge fanbases that could cause problems for the boys, maybe they are avoiding collabs for the benefit of the Holostars? No one wants to talk about the possibility that some of the girls could be purposefully shielding the boys from their own schizos.

>>24553593
>So there is nothing to solve here, nothing to fix.
This is delusional. He said that when he was already collabing with Fubuki a lot.
Even if he continued it doesn't mean his feeling has changed

>What if that happens and they still don't want to collab more than they are right now?
Obviously nothing will change. And that's why the introduction and how management will handle it is a key part of the plan

>>24543368
I recall an actual EN fujo saying the following pertinent line -

> You can yaoibait with one of your colleagues, and your fanbase will go wild, ship the both of your, draw all sorts of fanart and write fanfiction etc.
> You can also not do any of these things, and your fanbase will ship you with your colleagues anyway

>>24553667
Is English speaking Hololive fanbase more forgiving than JP side when it comes to male-female collabs?

More forgiving probably yes, more accepting probably no. Less backlash but popularity goes down the same.
If there is no popularity penalty, I can't imagine why HoloEN wouldn't collab more with Stars.

>>24553777
This retard wants management to strong-arm the entire company into some major integration project that many of them would have no personal interest in or gain anything from. This has nothing to do with helping the Holostars grow.

>>24553667
>what will EN girls do when starsEN debut
Interact with them a bit, some will collab more, some less. You know like they treat everyone else in EN. Drop in collabs are already rare, and EN tend to have a common clique or try to spread themselves out over many months. So it is a non issue.

>and how (un)popular will they be compared to Luxiem/Noctyx
Lower (but unbotted) peaks

>>24544492
Yagoo and Holostars were founded with one and one goal alone in mind.
Prove that male idols could work.
Despite the small fanbase, they're proved to be profitable enough that they don't need to rely on main branch funding anymore and can operate independently.
So the obvious next step is an EN expansion of the same.
I don't think they'll mind if they get less than a fraction of the girls' views.
But they have to be male idols, and if there aren't enough people interested enough to apply for that position, then there's a very good chance they'll can the EN idea for now.

>>24553737
>Literally all of the Holostars collab with females and Holos
But who are those Holos? It's always the same 6-8 members. Count the number of girls that collabed with Stars and I'm pretty sure it's not even 1/8 of the total members

>>24553667
Did you not read anything in the thread retard?
It's up to the girls whether or not they want to collab with the guys and most people here who actually watch the boys agree the StarsEN boys should stand on their own and make their own fanbase and audience. We don't want the boys to be Luxiem/Noctyx, we don't want the boys to rely on the HoloMyth or ENgirls. They NEED their own gimmick, they NEED their own audiences.
Also StarsJP have tons of collabs and networking with outside of Hololive, they basically built their own fanbase from the ground up and most of them didn't need the Hologirls for that. Don't be secondary that doesn't know shit about Holostars.

>>24553777
Yet he continues and nothing happen. You promise the huns breaking down the gates but nothing bad has ever happened.

>And that's why the introduction and how management will handle
And if they come at it from many angles and nothing ever changes? You physically can't accept that they are collabing as much as they want to.

>>24553867
Good thing they aren't actually managers and can't do anything but complain into the wind

>>24540902
Based Chud

>>24553667
They will collab eventually but not as frequent as we might think. Hololive being Hololive, the brand is more focused at creating strong solo-streamers.

>>24553930
>conveniently ignoring the last part
Maybe there are good reasons some girls don't want to potentially cause a stir?

>>24553942
>Also StarsJP have tons of collabs and networking with outside of Hololive,
Let's see if the boys get to do that as well.

It seems like some people in these threads really don't watch any of the Stars or understand how the Stars fanbase works.
People seem to keep wanting StarsEN not because they actually like and watch Holostars but because they want to make Hololive into Nijisanji 2 while actual Starsfans just want new boys in english.

>>24554116
>Let's see if the boys get to do that as well.
Stars' network outside Hololive is okay, but StarsEN's network outside Hololive.......
Man I don't want to think about it.

>>24554140
Thank God someone understands, I don't give a shit about Luxiem, I don't give a shit about HoloEN collabs, I don't give a shit about big numbers. I just want someone for Temma or Astel to talk in English with.

>>24543368
>>24553829
Ah here it is >>21561354

> Talk a lot with your genmates/wavemates you get along with to establish a “ship”.
> If he’s comfortable fujobaiting, then continue to lightly flirt with him.
> If he’s not, just talk to him like a regular friend and fujos will still ship you anyway.
> It leads to fan art which leads to more people being exposed to who you are which leads to your growth for both you and your bro.

>>24554199
StarsEN is going to have their work cut out for them. If Cover manages to find a Roberu or Astel for their group they should be able to survive on their own.

*Kind reminder: Ladies and Gentlemen, this train is reaching the final station in a short moment.

>>24554199
They'll be unitychads and kill tribalism once and for all.

>>24554219
Same. I don't give a shit about NijiEN, I don't watch or like any of them since their not my thing.
I want the StarsEN boys to actually have fun and hangout with their senpais who've been working hard to learn English.

>>24554140
I want StarsEN specifically to mog NijiEN and humble nijiniggers

>>24554321
>StarsEN is just going to be 3-4 new friends for Kishido Temma

Has the west forgotten that they used to have boybands at one point?

>>24554339
If that happens, I think current Starfans will pay a heavy price by accepting something they don't like at all.

>>24554339
don't use the boys as some kind of weird vtuber weapon against nijifags, the EN boys should be allowed to just grow naturally and have fun

>>24547900
>he still believes it was kaoru himself using his image for some underground beyblade tourney and not how it was proven to be some random guy

>>24554419
You're being optimistic if you think the original fans won't be pushed out.

It would be nice if StarsEN are fluent in japanese, so they can interact with all Stars.

Imagine being in holostars and watching the guys in niji having fun collabing with girls everyday while you turn on your 3view stream all alone. Holy fuck I would kill myself. Joining holostars is career and mental suicide.

>>24553250
Sure but the post I replied to only said
>Using Holostars EN to normalize female/male collabs in Hololive
Ironically, I believe the original JP Holostars had the opposite effect of what you want. Holostars debuted in May/June and most Holos like Miko were still regularly having collabs with other male vtubers for months after that with no issues, even after the Holostars interaction ban was lifted which confused some people.
Then in December 2019 which is when Cover created HoloPro with both Hololive and Holostars they suddenly all but stopped doing them and that's also when Miko said she would never collab with Holostars.

>>24548078
This. I'm not asking for all of them to be N1 but maybe one or two to be N3 or above so they can have nice collabs that aren't them communicating in retarded baby eigo. Those give me secondhand embarrassment.

>>24552603
This 'acceptance' is about acceptance of male-female collabs. It's completely beside the point.

The reason hololive fans don't watch holostars is for a different reason - they have no attachment to the streamer. At all. Attachment is everything in entertainment. You become a constant viewer of a streamer to follow a story - 'what happens next?'

But people are biased. For girls, cuteness/sexiness is enough to give the story of their journey enough weight to have people stick around. Every holo has essentially the same story arc of wanting to become an idol, collab with senpais, produce music, yada yada but people will (initially, at least) be more invested, the cuter the voice and model is. After that it's about audience retention and personality to get them invested in YOUR story. What're you going to play next, how do you feel about it, what's your unique quirky view on life.

But fundamentally, for guys, you don't have those huges crutches of cute/sexy unless you one in a million to have a voice like Vox's. No one will stick around to hear you make dog noises like Korone even if they can't understand what you're saying. So what do you have? Of course, your base story. Your goals, your aspirations. Which is another issue. 'A cute girl wants to become good enough to perform to me?' is compelling to see through. 'A guy wants to become good enough to perform to me?' is not. It might be to female viewers. But to the audience that is repeatedly the target of attempts to rope in? No.

So you're forced to get your audience attached to you the hard way. Sometimes you get a break like Roberu with the whole 'winning son' stuff, where new blood comes in to see 'hey what's the funny meme man gonna do next'?' and stays on for other wacky shit like doodling an entire visual novel in Paint. Or it can be Astel's predator climb, and then you tune in to see 'hey what's the only predator in holo doing' during one of the karaokes and get blown away.

But regardless, the base premise is not compelling at all for normal male viewers. And that won't change no matter how many collabs you do, not least because in collabs you have to split your attention between your partner and the activity. Until they figure out how to fix it so that a male viewer tuning into a holostar works out exactly WHY he should invest his time and emotional energy into following this dude, you're not going to get your large male audience numbers.

>>24554507
You need to have balls of steel along with the strongest mentality to be able to survive being in Holostars.
The boys built themselves up and kept going, it's why their fanbase is so loyal. Their based.

>>24554507
That kind of mentality definitely does not belong in holostars.

>>24554507
>If I didnt get instant numbers handed to me I would quit
You are weaker than most males in this industry.

>>24554507
>Imagine being in holostars and watching the guys in niji having fun collabing with girls everyday while you turn on your 3view stream all alone.
That's some beta mentality.
Why envy of the Nijifaggots playing with girls while you can go rob the bank and conquer the neighborhood?

>>24554084
Yes and my whole point about acceptance is that's the issue. If people accept more male/female collabs, aka if the people that could potentially cause a stir are out way more of them would collab. The go to "excuse" of those girls to not collab with them is "My fans will get mad" if there is less of that gradually more collab will happen. It's not rocket science

>>24554504
This woul be ideal, if I had it my way all of StarsEN would be JSLs

>>24554507
>Look over
>Shoving a Cricket Bat UP My Ass ASMR Roleplay [840k Sub Pre-Celebration] (Open VC Chat)
>Go back to playing Elden Ring knowing you get a pay check every month

>>24554504
yes please, i want the EN boys to be new friends for their senpais since a lot of the English speaking fans want to understand the boys better

>>24554655
That's a horrible idea. Some girls are protecting the boys by not collabing with them and that pretty obvious having them go all out even once and hoping that goes over well enough to ignore down the line is very risky and just a bad plan all around. Also this will never happen.

Why do Nijifags believe collabing with the girls should be some kind of reward or guaranteed thing if you join Holostars?
The boys have said multiple times on many occasions they don't do this to collab with the Hologirls, their doing this for themselves and for their fans and Starsfans usually only care about the boys anyway.

And now we descend into tribalfagging

>>24554655
Huge gamble. Declaring open season on Unicorns and hoping both the boys and the girls can tank the loss and the hate isn't worth it even if they do come back from it numerically in the end.

>>24554655
I'm curious, who are you watching the most?

>>24554879
Pretty much. People like to ignore the girls' have schizos in their fanbases and I don't want freaks harassing any of the Stars just because they hung out with one Hologirl.

>>24554892
The real Starsfags always get the last word on these discussions, pretty grim if you ask me

>>24554540
>Until they figure out how to fix it so that a male viewer tuning into a holostar works out exactly WHY he should invest his time and emotional energy into following this dude, you're not going to get your large male audience numbers.

Two factors to get audiences
1) market
2) basic abilities

If there is a market for a chuuba's genre, he can be a bad talent and still be somewhat popular. On the other hand, if the chuuba is a genius comedian or singer, even if he doesn't need to fulfill any genre and I will still tune in for him.

>>24554892
Its a mix of things. One it is something different about the companies so gets pushed, plus they do a lot of cuck posting in general so it fits in with that. Some fujos though like the idea of having a girl to insert as, that comes with a largely nonsensical rule book of dos and don'ts.

Man, I would go for it but I got no Vtuber/Artist career to brag about. Maybe for Late 2023/Early 2024

>>24555005
Either their oshi isn't a Star at all, or it's Roberu like all of the other entryfags (no offense to Regulars)

>>24554879
>having them go all out
How is spreading things over the course of 2-3 years and starting with Holostars En "going all out"?

>>24555086
Roberu has a whole lot of girls he interacts with...but they all bully him so that's something.

>>24555119
Most people that don't know shit about Holostars at least know Roberu so it's to be expected. Astel is a close second.

>>24555005
Oga (which btw I got interested in thanks to the exposure he got with Fubuki)

>>24555249
I feel sorry for him.

>>24553930
Okay and? Does everyone need to do it?
I swear people wont be satisfied with Holostars interactions until Pekora is regularly appearing on Roberus bar or Aqua plays Apex in a team with Astel.

>>24555190
Slow or fast it's the same thing. The point is your theoretical beggar project is counterproductive. Plus, nobody really wants this, beggars don't make up a majority of either Holofags or Starsfags. It's a crusade that no one except beggars themselves believe in

>>24555227
>Roberu has a whole lot of girls he interacts with...but they all bully him so that's something.
That's safest route for seiso male chuuba. Imagine a male chuuba that bullies all the female chuuba, and also being a horny guy.

>>24555285
Yeah I know. I wish we had more FOXDEMON too...

>>24555302
>People
Beggars aren't people, they aren't even Starsfags. At this point I think it's literally just one person who thinks it's a good idea to physically force collabs.

>>24555285
Oga is quite lucky in some sense, having Fubuki to support him.

>>24554879
>Some girls are protecting the boys by not collabing with them
lmao, do you really believe it?
they're only protecting themselves because they don't want to deal with the unnecessary bullshit and the girls also don't actually gain anything positive from collabing with them except some redditors telling them how based they are for sticking it to the evil idolfags

>>24555394
Not for that, but for having a homobeggar as a fan.

>>24555249
Oga is great, my first exposure to Stars was an Izuru and Astel clip. It led me to Roberu and he was streaming at the time, I loved his laugh and he looked weird as hell so now I'm here.

>>24554972
It is a huge gamble. I don't see Cover ever do that but it's a high risk high reward kind of thing. Depending on how Stars EN are received it might be the only way to change things.

>>24555317
>>24555413
it really does feel like people trying to force collabs don't know shit about the boys and don't get that their audiences are completely different

>>24555584
>high reward
What reward

>>24555584
>high reward
Lmao. You really believe that?

>>24555646
He gets to make a post on reddit and get all the updoots, but even they aren't really on board with it so i dunno.

>>24555456
Yes I do believe it. Holofags are incredibbly schizo. Look at some of the people on this board. I don't want them targeting any of the boys and if some girls believe that avoiding collabs will prevent that then their heart is in the right place.

>>24555734
No, that anon was purely sarcastic about it.

>>24555584
There would be no net reward, the fanbases really don't overlap that much. Male chuubas appeal to different people than female ones on average. It the Holostars are going to get more fans they aren't going to be Holo fans.

>>24555359
Roberu is a special case since he can collab with pretty much anyone but he usually gets bullied by every woman he meets. He's very seiso because of this.

Any last words guys? We're at page 9 now.

>>24555931
Homobeggars deserves the rope, unironically.

>>24555931
StarsEN boys are going to have a crazy time considering the current hell that's the EN vtubing scene. Good luck to those boys.

>>24554655
This won't happen because there's no warning. Bae realized this. If you watch her, you'll notice how she all but stopped mentioning Roberu. She realized EN fans are pussies who'll claim they support whatever she does but the numbers never back it up. And when you pull half of what your gen member pulls on the same FOTM game in the same timeslot in the same week, you start to look for the easiest stuff to rule out.

>>24554540
Just wanted to say that Astel is a master and not a pred. He's also not climbing to solo master anytime soon, even less pred after the update.

>>24555630
Every audience starts at being different, retard. What matters is the section when it overlaps in between them. Iinchou's fanbase got mixed with Touya's when they started to interact. Some Holo JPs become fans of Holo EN. Same with collabs with extremely different individuals. Some people discovered Ironmouse when Bae collabed with her.
Do you really think the yumejos from Luxiem are the same audience Niji EN originally had? No but the Niji girls are still inclining because of their interactions. Some of the horny Box fans subscribe to Selen even though they are not initially her audience because they have the occasion to see how she is through the interactions.
More interactions=more possibilities for discovery, regardless of the audience.

>>24555853
Reading this reminds me of the "There is no market for EN male vtubers" vibes. This board will always be wrong

>>24555646
>>24555734
Sharing a part of Hololive core audience. To increase the Holostars growth
See >>24556098 for more details

>>24556098
>No but the Niji girls are still inclining
Somebody already posted the sub count showing that ain't true, and Selens vod count showing that ain't true. At best they sometimes do well in a collab and then drop

>>24555468
I got the sarcasm the first time, retard

>>24556098
>More interactions=more possibilities for discovery, regardless of the audience.
and regardless of the negative effects

>>24556296
This is why they'll try to negate the negative effects with promoting acceptance. It's not that hard to get

>>24556229
Yeah, let's cut audience in half and then share it...
Good thing you don't decide it, because shareholders would send Yakuza after you for wasting their money.

>>24556098
Those aren't even remotely the same thing as the situation between the Stars and Hologirls. They've had collabs before and fans of the girls already know them but they never watch them. The boys are better off building their own fanbases because even if they collab it won't change much since Stars are a completely different all together.

>>24555413
>At this point I think it's literally just one person who thinks it's a good idea to physically force collabs.

>>24556098
>More interactions=more possibilities for discovery, regardless of the audience.
Man you talking like Stars never tried to collab with HoloJP. Do you remember what happened in the past? Or why do you think they stopped doing it? Or why don't they do it at a higher frequency?

>>24556333
>negate
There is nothing to negate. Some people just don't want to watch it, you've failed to prove a significant amount do. The only avenue is become Niji2 which they don't want. The ones happy to have found collab partners and will keep doing it, the ones not interested will keep on keeping on. Accept it.

>>24556333
The negative effects come from fanbase's mentality. You can't change people's mind. You just push them away.

godspeed to whoever the is going to be in StarsEN, their going to have to deal with so much shit

>>24556547
Yes and therefore why I talked about the 10% necessary sacrifice