/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24512824
https://www.youtube.com/t/terms_paidservice

>>24512824
that’s a man

So all the things that anons complain about Twitch, but still remaining a shittier platform UX-wise and tech-wise. Time to just go to Twitch.

>>24512824
>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore
RIP Vox earnings

>Raiding
Why

>>24513053
To kill twitch

>>24513053
It's not out fully yet but some are able.
>Crunchyroll raided Pomu
>Mumei raided Bae

>Bae couldn't raid Ame or Kronii or anyone

Soon it'll be a website-wide thing

>>24512824
>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore
What the fuck, source on this?

>>24513157
See >>24512855

>>24512824
time to move to bilibili

>>24512824
>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore
How are they going to enforce this?

Reposting Ina's experience this stream
>>24510798
>Youtube enabled gifting memberships without notifying Ina
>Ina is unable to turn it off despite actively trying and doesn't think there's an option for it yet
>Ina is unable to change the membership tiers to make an emote-only tier right now because gifting memberships gives them the HIGHEST TIER for a month due to an implementation bug
>Has to use filters to avoid all the spam from it
>If this is already trouble with Ina, I'm terrified how it'll be for Gura or Ame
Pic is her gifteds

>>24512824
>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore
Based. ARSshitters BTFO

>>24512824
(((Wojcicki)))

>>24513229
Free VPNs are easy to detect. You can't use any of them here. Don't know about paid. Don't know how that works.

One step forward and two steps back

>>24513000
Ohh. How great would be the dip on this one?

>>24513370
Ding ding ding!

>>24513301
>HIGHEST TIER
Guess the gifters are the true whales after all

Grey bros….we’ve won!

Her nose looks a little bit long

>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore

source?

>>24513301
What exactly is the problem? Her chat is 99% emote spam normally

>can't ARS membership anymore
FUCKKK.
I can't support my oshis...

>>24514033
You barely did in the first place, so no big loss

more deleted and time limited memberstuff. more leaked member content which will lead to a more formal acting in member streams.

is this an official thing now? do all chuubas have it or is it still in testing on some channels?

>>24513977
Their brand wants devotion and their consumers won't feel special anymore if everyone gets to have a green name

>>24513053
I mean its statistically proven to help smaller streamers out. Even if only 1% of raiders end up following the raid target that's still more than the 0 they'd otherwise have. Not every change is targeted directly at big streamers like holo/niji.

>>24513977
They now can watch member streams and she probably doesn't want those kind of people in them.

>>24512824
don't care either way tbqh, I don't really use the chat

>>24514183
>do all chuubas have it
See >>24513140, it's being rolled out slowly. But eventually everyone will have it (like how dislikes were disabled)

>>24513000

Streamlabs

>>24512824
How about they fix the fucking bots getting vtubers banned for "sexual content"

>>24512824
>paying for entertainment
>giving a single cent of currency to google that's more than necessary when other options are easily available
Doesn't matter if I like it or not, more than enough dipshits will make it worth any negative opinion anyone has.

Catalog shitposters watching streams of the usual targets (Mori, Kiara) to get the juicy membership posts and vods of the people they hate.

>>24514267
Based.

>>24512824
Yeah, fuck China viewers

>>24514207
Ah yes because the $5 barrier was so high before. Sounds more like members only streams shouldn't be filled with stupid personal shit anymore which is good.

>>24514267
it's five dollars, if the membership content was that juicy it'd be posted everywhere already

>>24514207
Even Twitch lets you do sub only streams and exclude gifted subs.

>>24512969
Twitch doesn't archive vods.

>>24514207
Ina does seen very cunty and elitist so I believe this

Why would anyone want to turn off gifted subs? In the end received money is the same, you don't need to read a message because gift notifications don't have them and there are plenty of people who just send empty superchats. I'd actually prefer to gift 10 people memberships instead of sending an empty or cringy 50$ supa so poorfags could watch member streams and use member-only emojis. Any decent vtuber would thank you for gifted subs and would treat them like a superchat anyway. Is this just elitism from some people as in "you can't afford my 5$ membership so fuck off"?

>>24513308
>>24513000
That's the only good change.

>>24514358
IRyS talked about not wanting gifted members to have access to members streams weeks ago when this feature was first announced.

>>24514412
>I'd actually prefer to gift 10 people memberships
You can't pick the devoted, though. So you'd be giving up to 10 rrats unwarranted memberships just so they can come back and shit on your oshi

>>24514161
>>24513301
Just make a fanbox and host private streams, is that so hard?

>>24514412
Apparently Ina does a lot of real life whining in her member streams

>>24514412
Botan talked about it. "Feel free to watch the old archieves but please don't share it. hopefully we won't get bad people in" there are enough antis in every chat but they aren't willing to pay 5usd to leak it.

>>24514301
The $5 barrier was high enough it lefts out:
Casual watchers that just watch you because there was nothing else to watch
Literal kids, making the average age of members chat higher.
The irregularity of member streams themselves also assured that people would only pay it if they desired to support you, not because it was "worth it" content-wise

Reminder Susan is the woman who travelled to Israel and met with groups who called for mass censorship of the internet. And allows the ADL to take down any video they want without question. And persecutes palestinian groups. And she promotes incredibly heavy-handed propaganda about the events of WW2 in her search results.

Her nose is long.

BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU MONEY
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS SO DIFFICULT

>>24514412
gatekeeping and elitism are good, cope sister

>>24512824
>can't use VPNs for SCs
How will they detect them? There are so goddamn many even China can't fully control it all.

Although yeah for NijiEN males it might as well also read that talking in Chinese will get you auto banned for presumed botting and donating to a Luxiem will have that user and address logged with the CCP.

In any case this will just solidify Luxiem going over to Bilibili unironically. However IIRC supposedly there are major restrictions on donating on there too either in the pipeline or already present, like Vox outright might have to praise the CCP soon in order to be allowed to continue there literally non-jokingly. What will his Bing Chilling moment be? Has it already happened?

>>24514576
If someone ends up shitting your members-only streams you can always ban them as if it's a problem. There are many (poor) people who simply can't afford to pay for memberships due to whatever reason. I know I would have been really happy to receive a gifted membership two years ago so I could watch content of few vtubers I really enjoyed but it wasn't something I could afford cuz it meant skipping meals for 2-3 days. Now that I have a job and earn good money I'd like to help some people out as well but after seeing some chuuba's reactions some of them seem to straight out disgusted by this option despite putting up a front prior to it "you don't need to donate, it's okay if you just watch"...yeah right. I knew Ina was a bitch but damn...

>>24514863
It isn't really gatekeeping when any anti can just pay for membership.

>Membered people complaining about people that are gifted membership being able to see membership streams
All streams should be free to access on the platform they are streamed on.

>>24514976
antis are unavoidable, but most underage people were filtered

>>24514986
This. Truth is members streams only exist to get more money out of people. Period. Imagine thinking streamers care about you beyond your money.

>>24514940
>If someone ends up shitting your members-only streams you can always ban them as if it's a problem.
would be nicer if it doesn't need to get that far you know, members streams are supposed to be more relaxed for the streamer since it dedicated fans

So that's why vox moved to b2

Member bros...

>>24514986
Members want something to make the 5 bones a month feel more worthwhile, which is kind of justifiable IMO.

It also will give what were random greys access to member streams and so who knows what you'd get out of that but it would certainly contribute to wearing down the distinction between the loyal fans and just randos. For example I could see shitposting against some chuubas (Mori for example) as much more common than before because a grey might be given a throwaway membership shortly before Mori does a yab and they then use it to intrude in what she considers her safespace. That kind of thing.

>>24512969
yeah, but Twitch is Stalin's Russia compared to Great Depression Youtube

I'd rather starve than be shot.

Fuck YouTube

>>24515109
>dedicated fans

>>24515149
Membership has always been supporting them and getting to use their channels emojis. Anything else is money grabbing subversion of what streaming use to be.

>>24512824
RIP Chinese money, RIP Nijisanji LMAO

> Channel members can purchase a pre-set number of 'gift memberships', which YouTube will distribute to top fans of your channel (who are not yet members).
I don't see a problem with this. If you don't want them you can ask your members to not buy gift memberships.

>>24514098
How so? Isn't it converted to their currency?

>>24514986
membership streams are utmost garbage designed to siphon money out of sad cucks believing they're being cared for by their multi-millionaire oshi

>>24514986
Members would complain about how their oshi suddenly isn't nearly as open in member streams anymore because she feels slightly less comfortable opening up to randoms that didn't even care to buy a sub. Intimidate moments will be gone forever. They might even privatize some of their old member vods. Even I can see that as a serial greyname.

>>24515310
What magical money printer do you think they're using to turn the 10 cents you paid into $5?

>>24515389
>Intimidate moments
Holy ESL. Also they should keep the personal shit to your non-vtuber account.

>>24512824
>Membership is for dedicated fans, lol.
It' for vanity to boost your ego and secrecy that giving a certain ecstacy for exclusivity. But enna taught me that membership si fucking useless so I unmembered to her.

>>24515486
Can relate with that with some of the jp holomems.

>>24514033
Now you can send a red superchat in your original currency ;D

Its not going to be like "oh X is my oshi, I'm going to give some gift subs to a bunch of people who have Y oshi or Z for an oshi because maybe can't afford to support every member they want to". Its going to be a bunch of literal third world children claiming these.

>>24515389
Sounds like a corpo tuber problem. No streaming content should be pay gated on a platform. Why are you fighting for the regression of streaming?

>>24514267
catalogshitters LOVE

>>24515575
Not for the smaller streamers that kids don't watch. They are the ones that need the extra money the most too.

>>24514487
Based Irys.

Does this mean I can't buy Premium with ARS anymore? Pls respond.

>>24512824
Don't forget the killer bot that we (YT) didn't know how to turn off that still roaming in vtuber community

>>24515389
Anything important (for antis) is always leaked anyway. There are ALWAYS haters who have subs, even Shion's RM fanbox has antis and that should tell you something. On the other hand, if they talk about shit that they would feel uncomfortable non-hardcore fans knowing then they shouldn't talk about it at all on the internet because it's the equivalent of using "password123" as your password and hoping that no one will guess it and your shit is safe.

tl;dr
Haters are already /there/ and by disabling membership gifts you're just depriving greynames of chat emojis and that's all. Hardcore(paid) fans make up the minority of viewers so it should be in their interest to reward regular non-spenders who keep their CCV numbers up.

>>24515585
Naw they're right. If anything they aren't doing enough. Each stream should cost $15 to watch just like a movie at the theater. That will really keep the poor kids out rumao.

>>24512824
Hmm ... Damn bratty CEO ...! !! ! Not letting me use ARS to buy akasupas ... Rape correction is needed ...

Before jumping to conclusions let's see how cover and the talents adapt. I can see they making an "emotes only" tier and let that be the only gifted tier.

I'm not seeing the ability to gift memberships, can you only gift if you are already a member?

>>24515801
That'd be actually pretty good.

>>24513000
Zhangsisters...

>>24515721
Not unless you're an argie.

Although as was said I wonder how they'll successfully detect all VPNs. They can catch a lot of them but not all of them as that's basically impossible. Still though it probably would dissuade a lot of people from trying too hard to get around it.

What I think it might do however would turn what were 500 ARS SCs into $0 SCs because the dude wouldn't want to donate a tiny amount in pokemon dollars for all to see instead of at least get an akasupa in. Cheapskates were already cheap and leveraging ars to make their like $5 go somewhere, so they probably just won't give that $5 anymore because then it's just an ordinary chat that will never be acknowledged. This won't really make a meaningful dent really however since most SCs aren't clearly VPN'ed in and we were always talking couch change amounts anyway. Or at least, this won't matter much for Holos... for Luxiem however where possibly the majority of their Youtube income comes in from chinese on VPNs? Ouch.

>>24515851
Only through PC, mobile in the future.

>>24512824
Why the fuck does this bitch still have a job

>>24515837
>make emotes only tier $5
>now fand have to pay $10 for member streams
Oh boy sounds fun. Just give the multi-million dollar company more money.

>>24513977
>>24514412
>>24514986
A lot of the girls act a bit different during member's streams. They're more relaxed and open, since they know that the audience are fans who paid to see the streams. I'm just worried that we might lose that.

>>24515449
It's called conversion.
They get paid by youtube with x amount of members. Isn't it like this? I know superchat is 70%

>>24515984
That just makes them sound like twofaced bitches. They should always be themselves.

Is this the 10-bit of the 2020s?

>>24515984
>They're more relaxed and open
More like they are shitting the majority of the viewers

>>24515837
That's definitely a solution I think, but would kind of suck to suddenly double-bill all the existing members to keep the bottom plebs out.

If Youtube itself made a more limited, sub $5 option that would be gift bait, then this problem would be solved.

>>24516042
No, it's not like that. Youtube would be losing money in that case on memberships from poor countries

>>24516158
and is that a bad thing how?

Right now there is nothing stopping antis from buying memberships, so why do they act like memberships are some kind of carefully vetted secret club

I WILL rape and pillage your oshi's streams and there's nothing (You) can do about it

>>24516042
If you could just pay the $4 USD, convert it to ASR, then pay yourself the $500 ASR and then get $500 USD handed to you from the bank don't you think way more people would be doing that?

>>24516252
because this might seem shocking to you but antis are poorfags

>>24515940
So how is this a good thing exactly? I'm not paying 15 fucking dollars a month to remove ads which they put in there specifically to annoy you into paying $15 a month to remove them. There has to be some new exploit.

>>24516270
You have my bless.

>>24516062
Being less relaxed isn't the same as "not being yourself"

>>24516252
Look at the amount of content creators who have $1 patreons. That $1 gets you access to discords and pay walled material. That single dollar is enough to keep a lot of antis out.

>>24512824
>>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore
is this gonna effect already bought memberships?

>>24513140
according to ludwig, both sides need to be subscribed to each other and the other party need to enable raiding. it's not much but i hope it's enough to stop holomen from doing it

>>24516323
It's basically not a good thing at all for either us or the chubba vtubbers. However I can guess that there could be broader reasons for it - to try to counter scams, maybe several people complained about ARS chats, maybe the fucking CCP knows about this as a currency outflow method and doesn't like it so asked them to stop it etc.

>>24514412
now you will have underage retards spamming garbage instead of a comfy stream, because 5 bucks might not seam like much, and it's not, but even 1$ makes a huge difference in chat quality.
>>24515837
That will only result in the tier that actually matters being 10$, instead of the more reasonable 5$

>>24514267
People who hate them already do that.
There are people who have been watching kiara membership streams for more than a year just to clip stuff to shit on her for

>>24516450
Yeah it seems like Cover doesn't have an official stance on this and if Holos "should" be doing it or not, if left to their devices some would like it some wouldn't but if it's mixed use then that'll be kind of awkward.

My impression was the Japanese consider it rude as hell so definitely will try to shut it off, but EN side doesn't mind it as it's a Twitch thing. IIRC HoloEN did kind of do this at first just going "hey go watch ___'s stream!" but they tapered off on doing it, or maybe I just frequently don't actually stick around until the last like 5 seconds of a stream and dip out when I can tell they're starting to wrap it up and/or doing SCs.

>>24516503
Except member streams aren't even good now. Chat is just a circlejerk of manchildren waggies and whales. Nothing "comfy" about it.

Making a connection with the community is the whole idea behind member's only streams. Not paywalling content. Member's only streams are not even very good, the allure is to be in a more private place with your Oshi.

>>24516696
May as well do private calls with whales then like some smaller startups do.

>>24514301
it filters kids and most third worlders

>>24516768
May as well do withouth member's only streams, make everything public .

>>24516162
>sub $5 option
Anon you can set whatever price you want. Cover just sets 5 because they also take a cut.
Qualia qu used to have $2

>>24516815
But then they'll have to talk about what they ate for dinner on real streams. THE HORROR!

>>24514301
No you fucking idiot. The majority of the people on member's only streams have been members for months. It is let's say 80% old members and 20% new members, who are still respectful because they actively chose to pay
Now the chat will be dominated by people who just start watching, being annoying asking stupid question, telling stupid jokes. At least half ot the people will be jerks.

>>24516914
They won't talk about that at all. The relationship between the vtuber and true fans will change for ever

>>24512824
last part seem pretty Sinophobic ngl

>>24515486
nice one buddy

>>24516042
retards really do thinks like this

>>24516252
Bandwagon antis don't buy memberships, only obsessed schizos do. There aren't many of these. The most hated vtubers don't have more than a dozen real obsessed antis.
And the membership is not only for filtering antis, it filters filthy annoying casual viewers too.

>>24516950
Member streams were dumb to begin with so good. Vtubers should be free entertainment, not fucing netflix.

>>24514301
>members only streams shouldn't be filled with stupid personal shit anymore which is good.

>>24513370
that's a pretty normal Polak surname, although the way it's spelled implies she's a dude.

>>24517413
Why? Just because you are poor?

>>24515449
Twitch does this btw

>>24515482
Are you a deadbeat? Not everyone has an alternate account.

>>24517460
>dont want to pay to breathe air? What are you, poor?

>>24517572
>don't want to pay for content another person produces
Yup, sounds poor to me

>>24515585
Why not? It's not regression, on the contrary. If you are not funding content creators, it means they are being funded by advertisers.
That gives mega corporations control over the content your Oshi makes. that is real regression. Regression to controlled mass media filled with propaganda.

>>24515693
Yes, even for the smaller vtubers. Gifted memberships don't turn into real fans. It had been proven time and time again on twitch.

>>24516158
masses are poor and evil by nature, aristoi are good because they have the money.

I am loving all the whining about gifted subs here.It's a great fucking feature and I get them literally all the time and I like having a huge number of emotes to use at any time. I'm pretty sure that last bit isn't available on Youtube yet but free subs are amazing.

>>24516909
Then the solution of like a $3 emotes tier actually would/could be done then.

Also with these gift subs can the gifter select the tier or does it just default to the bottom?

>>24515819
kek

>>24517572
Retard

>>24516158
How?

>>24517746
>a fucking anon making claims about what's "evil" or not
lol

lmao

ARS memberships still work on my machine.
Gonna spend barely $15 to gift out 20 memberships to lurker bros.

>>24514921
>it might as well also read that talking in Chinese will get you auto banned

not going to happen, sadly. There are chinese speakers outside of china.

>>24516062
>twofaced
because they are

>>24517753
No they aren't. What do you do when nobody gifts you a sub for your "Oshi"?
You move to another oshi were they give free subs. The model doesn't work. It doesn't create real long lasting fans..

>>24517863
*To SEA dogs and children you mean.

>>24517902
>No they aren't. What do you do when nobody gifts you a sub for your "Oshi"?
You buy it yourself retard. I'm subbed to 6 people on Twitch. Those are the ones that I got tired of not having a sub to all the time so I paid for them myself.

>>24513813
As usual.

It's funny how so few people cared when you could gift memberships to JP members like Watame, but now that's the takobitch complained it's suddenly a huge issue.

>>24516062
No. You just don't share all your life with strangers. Are you as open with the cashier as with your friends and family?

>>24517413
This.

>>24517753
Membership streams are practically non-existent on twitch, and nobody gives a shit about emotes. Comparing them is ridiculous

>>24518005
>Now that small shit feature that had no chance of being implemented is not being implemented site wide more people are complaining
You sound like a fucking moron

>>24518005
Once again, takodachis are the most tribalistic and vitriolic fanbase of them all.

>>24517990
Why do you need gifts then?

>>24518010
>comparing friends and family to people who paid $5

>>24517863
Make sure to do it on a channel where members don't leak the stream onto ny*a five minutes after it ends.

>>24518084
What's wrong with a free sub? I still enjoy having them and I'm not made of so much money I can sub to literally every streamer I watch. It's a problem plenty of people have and gifts do a great job of fixing it.

>>24513229
Google knows like 99.9% of commercial VPNs even if they don't (or didn't) actively police them in most cases.

Anyone wanting to VPN into paid services on Youtube will probably have to seek very small commercial VPNs with few users or truly private VPNs along with taking care to match their public information. Even if you hop on a 1-user VPN that just went commercial last night, if you connect from Japan and use an address from France it'll flag you as mismatched and set the AI to review your activity.

>>24512824
Susan my highness

>>24518005
Fanbase mimics streamer. Ina is well known to be the nastiest and most cliquish EN

>>24518063
>small shit feature that had no chance of being implemented
In what world are you living?

>>24515303
I don't have any "allow gifts" button where it's supposed to be
bug?

>>24518063
It only affects vtubers cause no one else gives a shit about members only content.

>>24512824
>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS
get fucked ARSfags

>>24518005
I don't care about hololive, they are too big and known. Small corpos/indies might get buttfucked depending on who though. My oshi almost got doxxed from a slip up in members content. Now it has to be all sanitized.

>>24518005
People were against it then as well

>>24518005
Fucking retard. If watame likes it, good for her, don't foist it upon Ina.

>>24514590
>Just make a fanbox and host private streams, is that so hard?
Yes? It filters people she might otherwise want and is also a hassle to set up because it requires more than clicking the "stream" button. These are women, retard.

>>24514976
And yet somehow most anti threads and discords are filled with people who do not know shit.
People say this cope of "the antis will just pay" but at the end of the day for some reason the antis NEVER just pay.

>>24519129
Because antis are predominantly third worlders and Neets.

>>24515250
So you use this picture for fans now too? Do you realize how dumb you are?

>>24515287
>Membership has always been supporting them and getting to use their channels emojis. Anything else is money grabbing subversion of what streaming use to be.
So why can they make members only streams then, retard

Why would anybody want poor fans who can't buy the membership anyway?

>>24518112
Pay me $5 then if it's so trivial.
Go ahead. Prove your point.
You won't, because you don't have $5 to spare, and will instead make literally every other counterargument instead of ending this discussion here and now with "just" $5.
Why?
Because you are literally, physically, incapable.

>>24515287
I don't care about "subverting", the member's only streams are superior. Nevermind the past.

People acting like memberships are a super special club are retarded. It's paid content, nothing more. Anyone can access it if they pay, even antis. You're not your oshi's friend because you're giving her money every month the same way normalfags are not married to Netflix.

>>24519363
So paying 5$ is equal to being at the level of a family member or a person to whom you can be confident talking about your life and hardships. Noted

>>24519129
But the real schizo antis do pay. Hate supas and botfarms are not free.

>>24519565
The only good thing about Member's only streams is the sense of exclusivity and intimacy. If you take that out, members only streams lose their meaning. That's the reason they are not popular on Twitch.

>>24518574
So instead of 500 ARS, your oshi now gets nothing.
Nice going, susan. Really helping the little guy out.

>>24519717
Real schizo antis are very few though

>>24519861
I'd rather get nothing than your monopoly money, now stop gifting my membership to poorfags

>>24519700
Moron. There are different levels of intimacy.
>Enemies
>Strangers
>Acquaintance
>Extended family
>Casual friends
>Close family
>Best friends
>Gf, wife, etc.
Member's only streams were a level further than regular streams, a level that is now barred for us.

>>24519363
Shut up, you're brown.

>>24520083
I-Ina?

>>24519857
But they're the ones doing the real damage, not the average shitposters you find on /vt/.

>>24513053
Increasing watch time is generally the consensus for yt in regards to what their algorithm prioritizes.

Thread is hilarious:
>Membership is no longer special
Yes it is, because things like badges still exist obviously if someone gifted ONE "free month doesn't reup because he's "poor" or doesn't want to continue to commit or whatever doesn't mean your day 1 -5 year pink dildo badge is some how invalidated your Oshi will still see who the "true fan" are etc. also good take see >>24519565

>They don't want this kind of fan
They also don't want people that gatekeep them thinking they're more relevant than others, i've seen/heard MULTIPLE VTubers claim that fans that don't donate are just as important as ones that do, I've seen heard MULTIPLE VTubers that out right admit that sometimes gachi make them uncomfortable simply because the amounts of money the give and the ones that try to treat the streamer and a meme spewing machine because they gave them money. VTubers are grown ass men and women if they don't like certain behavior in their chat/community they will call it out and deal with it personally or with a moderator they don't need you.

>It's bad for the streamer
How is more money bad for a streamer? you idiots are literally making the argument of "I don't like it it's not fair to me (although it is perfect possible for you to be gifted a sub as well now), You are making the argument your oshi doesn't deserve MORE money.

>>24519861
Eat shit and live, now pay up with your normal currency to support your oshi or fuck off

I am going to get a free ride into your oshi's boring blogposts and zatsudans and there's nothing you can do to stop it, you pathetic paycucks.

>>24513301
PAJEET CODE HATE

>>24520310
Nice straw man. We don't care about any of those things. The problem is that it will ruin member's only streams. Read the thread, dumbass.

>>24514340
You can archive VODs but turning it into a highlight

>>24520310
Fuck you, you stupid fucking ENfaggot. You don't know shit about what Vtubers think outside of your little bubble

shitskins seething

>>24520310
I agree with everything but
>i've seen/heard MULTIPLE VTubers claim that fans that don't donate are just as important as ones that do
lmao. They only say that so they don't look like complete cunts.

The funniest thing about most of people itt complaining about muh ruined members streams is that you're all holofags with oshis like Ame and Ina who have literally tens of thousands of members. You never had "comfy" members streams to begin with.

>>24520690
Au contraire, they are celebrating because they will watch a member's only stream for the first time.

>>24520519
>it will ruin member's only streams
how?
>>24520591
And you're the grand poobah, oh sage of great infinite Vtuber knowledge who is surly Japanese please bequeath to me your vast knowledge on how Vtubers think sire.

can't wait for subathons and subtrain shit
we won twitchgods

>>24516062
Let's rephrase. Now any chink with a gifted sub is free to shit up members only streams because they're still permaseething.
This whole thing just opens up the potential for abuse from people who would've been otherwise gatekept by the membership cost.

>>24520786
There are big Vtubers who are infact not able to handle their chats and there are also some who were deeply hurt by a member leaking some contents that were intended for members only.

>>24520850
>start member stream
>someone starts shitting up the chat
>ban them
Wow! It's like you people have never heard of moderating tools!

>>24520786
1. The chat will be dominated by casuals instead of true fans.
2. The vtuber won't be able to act spontaneously because there are many casuals watching.
3. When they poll fans, or ask for their opinion on what kind of content they want, the tourists will determine what future content gets produced

>>24520941
This.

>>24512824
poles ruim everything

>Using a VPN to send superchats/buy memberships is TOS and won't be able to be done anymore
No I'm not sad about ARSniggers going away.
>Gifted Memberships that you can't turn off
>Raiding
Don't really care.

>>24521001
>start member's stream
>A hundred gifted fucks star shitting up the steam.

>>24521138
>start stream
>a hundred people start shitting up the chat
>mod team starts killing them off
>they have to resub to do this again
What's the problem again?

>>24520941
>here are big Vtubers who are infact not able to handle their chats
What does that have to do with gifted subs? if a Vtuber has problems controlling chat even in member streams that's more of a problem of lack of moderation or lack of setting ground rules and enforcing them from the streamer. It also breaks the "member streams are more relaxed" ad hominem people keep posting.

>deeply hurt by a member leaking some contents that were intended for members only
Once again this absolutely proves that members are not guaranteed to not cause harm, this is less of a problem of a gifted sub especially now considering they are just now becoming a thing on YT than it is of the streamer having better operational security.

Why do you disingenuous fucks suddenly act like tons of Vtubers aren't super sensitive and mentally unstable? This board constantly memes about it but now it's
>Oh whatever they can handle it!

Can somebody explain to me how mem-streams will be ruined? Because if the answer is: "gifting subs will lead to new people that were not members before watching the streams" then aren't they ruined already by the fact that anybody can become a member whenever they like. Let's all remember that for some antis money is not a problem if that grants the ability to shit on somebody. All in all I'm only curious about what else I am missing

>>24521218
Even better they can't resub in ARS to do it again so it'll be a lot more.

>>24521266
it's just the regular complaining about everything and doomposting

>>24521220
I wans' talking about the members chat. The members chat is where they'd have their peace, and they're not gonna get many moderators for the normal chat because they'd feel embarassed, because they're retarded jap streamers with anime avatars. They don't act logically

>>24514644
Mandatory "proof?" post because if it's true then it would be a "dangerously based" moment

>>24521218
Because now it's easier. One rich asshole with a vendetta can now fund an army.
There wasn't an alternative to this before, unless they were literally sending people money to sub. Now they can just have a google doc with a list of names to gift subs to.

>>24521030
>1. The chat will be dominated by casuals instead of true fans.
What in your definition is a "true fan" and what is a "casual"?
>2. The vtuber won't be able to act spontaneously because there are many casuals watching.
You keep saying this word "casual" I don't think it means what you think it means
>3. When they poll fans, or ask for their opinion on what kind of content they want, the tourists will determine what future content gets produced
If they're are more fans than "casuals" this shouldn't be a problem

>>24521266
It's a filtering thing. 90% of "antis" will not put money where their mouth is unless very schizo. And 99% of kids cannot convince tbeir parents to buy this sort of subscription.
Of course there are the ones who already do, but with gifting this filter is substantially weakened and one expects to see an effect from this.
If you've ever learned economics, this is obvious.

>>24521266
I forgot a "," between the "members before" and "watching streams".

>>24521266
What you are missing is that this is /vt/.

>>24519717
And yet, my point remains the truth. You cannot reconcile the two. I've been in anticords and I've been on this retarded board and 5ch and never, ever is there an actually informed post or user there. They never have any context from membership streams. There's never anything factual being posted. That is impossible unless memberships were filtering them. Therefore, memberships were filtering them. QED

if they don't want people to watch their paywalled streams then just private them, it's not like I can't torrent all of gura's member stream right now

and if you think your oshi will ignore your message because a few retards are shitting up the chat with emotes then write something actually interesting or send a SC which is the real main communication channel with them

>>24521588
Not even him, but how do you not get this? Obviously a casual viewer is someone who wouldn't be willing to fork out cash on the regular. Are you even being serious

>>24521266
>Can somebody explain to me how mem-streams will be ruined?
I already explained, scroll up
>Because if the answer is: "gifting subs will lead to new people that were not members before watching the streams" then aren't they ruined already by the fact that anybody can become a member whenever they like.
No.
1. They chose to spend their money, it was not gifted, that means they already somewhat acquainted with the steamer and have a positive attitude
2. They are a minority of newbies that will either leave or become old fans. That means old fans dominate.
On the other hand:
1.With gifted subs you will get a constant supply of clueless newbie casuals that don't ever become old fans. Now newbies dominate every member's stream.
2. A lot of them may not even know or like the steamer, they may come from some "raid" or were drawn by some meme game(Elden Ring)

>>24521537
Sounds like an implementation problem then. The way Twitch handles it there's only 2 options for gifted. 1 sub to 1 person, or multiple subs randomly. if YT doesn't handle it this way then lol but if they do then they won't be able to do what you just described unless they do 100+ gifted subs 1 at a time to everyone on a list which will absolutely look suspicious to anyone and the second something is tried they can just ban the user from chat.

Green faggots are just mad we'll get the same rights as them for free.

>>24519700
>you will make every other counterargument except the one that actually proves your point
You do not have $5. If you did, you would win this argument. You do not, therefore you lose this argument. This is how this conversation works. Don't like it, cry about it.

>>24520230
I already said I'm not poor, it's impossible to be rich and brown

>>24521738
I'm trying to make the connection between how people are saying money somehow makes a participant in a stream better than someone not paying or who has found a streamer recently. I'm being absolutely serious but it seem those in the argument that money = better viewer are not because I have yet to see a convincing shred of evidence to back it up.

>>24521814
Unless they ban the credit card, it seems like a completely useless gesture to ban the gifter. And even then, there's prepaid credit cards.
They can just make infinite new youtube account and continue gifting subs.

>>24521527
https://youtu.be/uTGiK7zrWNA?t=366 beginss at around minute 4.

>>24521973
Because somebody who cares about you is a better person to spend time with, moron.

>>24512824
Sometimes you're not that bad Susan.

>>24521984
Without the ability to sub for dirt cheap they're going to be giving someone a shitload of money to attempt to harass them that won't last longer than a few seconds lol.

The fact that simp faggotry is tolerated on this board is beyond pathetic.

I predict CCV generally going up because of beggars camping streams.

>>24521588
True fan= People who actually follow and like the streamer, and choose her over other streamers.
Casual=They sometimes watch the streamer, maybe they just like the game she is playing this time or they are fans of a friend of hers. They don't choose the vtuber over others and think 5 bucks is too high a price to support her.

>>24515585
nothing is free, faggot

>>24515771
>Anything important (for antis) is always leaked anyway
Watch antis and enlighten yourself. This is wrong. Gatekeeping works and if antis do get in they're the kind to never share it with other people because 99% of antis end up never knowing jack shit.
>On the other hand, if they talk about shit that they would feel uncomfortable non-hardcore fans knowing then they shouldn't talk about it at all on the internet
It is in the best interest of vtubers to be intimate with their hardcore fans and anybody who disagrees hates vtubers and vtubing as a medium. Until you can suggest a way for them to do so your advice means literally nothing. I dare you, faggot, I fucking DARE you to try and come up with a better way.
No, "don't do it" isn't an option.

>>24514644
Based

>>24521810
Do you not even see the paradox in your statements?
> They are a minority of newbies that will either leave or become old fans. That means old fans dominate.
>1.With gifted subs you will get a constant supply of clueless newbie casuals that don't ever become old fans
Then that means for a month at best you will see an increase and those people will go away because they are not engaged enough to become "old fan".

Even with a really generous "old fan" base or just someone in general there realistically would be no way the "newbies" would outnumber the newfans, and I can't stress this enough even if it was a really generous month those people would be gone after 30 days.

>>24515801
>Each stream should cost $15 to watch
This is a good idea and should be implemented immediately.

>>24522089
>a board made to idolize vtubers
>surprised when people idolize vtubers

>>24512855
>>24512824
Can you dumb fucking faggots stop posting this shit like it's something new? The guidelines about geographic location have been the same for SIX FUCKING YEARS. You fucking parrot garbage some retard posts because you can't be fucking bothered to read anything yourselves, literally nothing changed.

>>24522044
No they aren't dipshit people spend money on people all the time and end up miserable >>24520941 literally has said that himself. There are people spending money just to dig up dirt or wait for the time to ruin these streamers

>>24522089
>The fact that simp faggotry is tolerated on this board is beyond pathetic.
Money exists to be spent.
I'm sorry that you don't have money.

>>24522066
That's assuming the system works as intended.
They don't have to put in a lot of effort to make chat unusable anyway. Just troll enough to start an argument in chat or derail conversation.

>>24522436
These are women who will literally kill themselves if they can't blogpost to people who care about them so instead of chimping out online how about you suggest an alternative way of them actually communicating to the fans that care about them instead of complaining about being poor online.

>>24514940
>There are many (poor) people who simply can't afford to pay for memberships due to whatever reason.
No there aren't. I live in Mexico, the membership is 50 pesos. That is the same as 2 coffees.
Literally everybody, except homeless people, can afford that.
I have seen the poor waste more money (in booze, junk food, etc.) than that.

global recession upon us, services will get hit hard and corps are already trying deal with it predicting loses
i want to see how is this going to go since in a high rate economy digital services are unsustainble since the corps cant get free money from banks-government that easy, they will need to only stick to what is profitable or risk bankrupcy

>>24522511
How slow are these chats moving where one person can start an argument that actually derails a stream. I can understand a 2view but the people whining about this are clearly Holoviewers

>>24522432
>literally nothing changed.
See >>24513301 retardchama

>>24522014
I don't speak Moon runes but since you provided a source I'm gonna trust in you

>>24522348
No. After May's gifted membership run out and they fuck off. They get replaced by new newbies(lol).
That's the reason now newbies will always be the majority.

>>24514940
You're forgetting that members only streams tend to need less moderation than a normal stream, because the people who would've paid to be there typically aren't the type to need to be told off.

>>24522789
This is talking about VPNs being TOS now retard

>>24522348
> those people would be gone after 30 days.
>yes, to be replaced by more from the endless unwashed hordes of kiddies and poorfags.

>>24522681
People that have literally never had a membership to a Holo before unironically have no right to participate in this conversation because they lack literally crucial context.

>>24516589
Kronii attempted to do a twitch raid, complete with raid phrase, in her early days and got chewed out hard by management.
But the gifted subs interfering with member content might be a bridge too far since on twitch all you get are emotes.

>>24522911
Buddy I'm talking as someone who's been watching Twitch streams for over a year now that Gifted subs are nothing but good. Anyone complaining is pure gatekeeping whiny baby nonsense.

>>24522681
>one person posts inflammatory comment
>a bunch of comments dogpiling onto the one guy, in effect compounding the problem
Happens pretty often, and members chats do tend to move a lot slower than public.

>>24522559
How many streamers have committed suicide because they can't talk to be that care about them online? how am I "chimping out"? I simply stating that there is no correlation to spending money on a streamer making that patron a better viewer than someone who is not paying. There are plenty of ways fans can recieve communication you have emal, text messages or even having other platforms like niconico or Twitch etc, there hasn't been a single part of my debate "complaining about being poor" but I have noticed a lot of anger from people stating that members are some super special rare breed that is now dying out.

>>24522681
>the people whining about this are clearly Holoviewers
You ignorant fool

>>24522681
Are you for real? There have been meltdowns triggered by a single comment.

>>24521810
I agree with your answer but I find some problems with the
>With gifted subs you will get a constant supply of clueless newbie casuals that don't ever become old fans. Now newbies dominate every member's stream.
The initial part I can comprehend but the latter is a bit contradictory: If gifted members don't remain how can they overwhelm the original members? (I'm not saying it's impossible but highly unlikely). Also a small percentage of the gifted new members, after trying it for free for a month, may enjoy the experience of being a member and start to pay and get a proper membership. Anyway your points are good

>>24516062
>That just makes them sound like twofaced bitches. They should always be themselves.
well yes, they are
women are bastards that can't be trusted. ever. with only a few exceptions.

>>24522985
Yes streamers can get oneguy'd. That's not what was being described though. He said an argument in chat derails things, but I've literally never seen an argument go on longer than Guy A saying something stupid, then 1-10 other people him retarded and then chat's moved on after 5 seconds.

Alright I get it now, seems like many of the people who don't get the issue primarily use twitch, which explains a lot

FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET ARS GIFTING WORKING
GONNA BE GIFTING ONE MILLION MEMBERSHIPS TO LAMY SO EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT SHES A WHORE
I WON.

>>24523068
Yes. A site that has the feature and sees extensive use of it and people see it literally all the time and have no problems with it. It's literally coming from a place of experience.

>>24522961
True if anything Holo only fans should be the ones stfu about something they have little to zero knowledge on considering Twitch has had experience with gifted subs for way longer. Shit is ridiculous these idiots are straight up arguing about people they support getting more support.

>>24517753
How do you keep getting repeat subs? I get it once and never again even if I keep watching the stream.

>>24523099
BASED

>>24513000
That one seems kinda odd, you'd think the money they'll lose from the chang loophole outweighs people jewing them with ARS

>>24522980
I already explained it, but you refuse to listen.
You can follow 100 streamers and watch only the ones that are streaming right now or play a game you like.
You don't pay 100 memberships. Paying means you choose this streamer over the other 99 streamers.
That filters a lot of people.
Read my comment for my information.>>24522147

>>24522415
>idolize
lmao

>>24522456
you forgot "m-my oshi needs the money for her illness/dying pet/new model"

>>24513220
No thanks, I have enough spywarefrom my own government

>>24513301
>a millionaire complaining she can't paywall her content anymore
glad i never watched her. she has no respect for anybody but paypiggies

>>24522891
>>24522810
Why are you strawmaning? This was the membership debate right? now you're trying to act like normal non member streams are the ones getting effected. lol you guys are a joke.

>>24523055
I have seen it happen on twitch, if the streamer sees the annoying comment and responds to it, it derails the whole stream.
I have also seen it on 4chan, hell I have absolutely ruinned threads on my own.

>>24523055
Now imagine that one guy multiplied by a hundred, because some vindictive chink is bankrolling their trolling.

>>24523139
Just keep watching. Twitch's algorithm is a mystery but I've heard if you are actively subbed to some channels then your odds of getting gifted are better. Far as I know that's just theorizing but I have been paying for a handful of subs for months now and still regularly get gifted so it sounds like it works for me.

>>24522810
one million ars max tier subs ensures everyone gets it. it will hit every single viewer.

>>24523104
Becasue twtich doesn't have member's only streams or they are not popular.
Twitchfags shut up.

All they have to do is have the Youtuber be able to turn it off, and that would solve the issue

>>24512824
gifted memberships is a bit weird imo. the whole point of membership streams is to reward the people that support her, and now they'll have a whole bunch of people that don't give a shit about them in there? membership streams will definitely lose their comfy and more intimate feeling. 100%.

>>24522961
>watching Twitch streams
Yes, that is why your experience is irrelevant here and your opinion is useless because you lack actual context.

>>24522947
>got chewed out hard by management.
What?
>since on twitch all you get are emotes
You can do members only streams on twitch

>>24523274
What the hell are you talking about? Are you retarded?
Member's only stream chat now = The majority are old fans
Member's only stream chat after gifted = The majority are newbies.
What part of it don't you understand?

>>24523377
A stream is a stream friendo. People who argue otherwise are just tribalfags. Especially when comparing features that exist on one site and are being introduced to another.

Wish they'd stop listening to Ludwig. He literally just wants to turn Youtube into Twitch instead of making it into a better platform. Twitch fucking sucks, why would you want your new platform to be exactly like the one you came from? His decision-making is entirely fueled by greed.

>>24523274
I don't get how you can use a NijisanjiEN image with such a post. Are you actually completely clueless about the JP side of things?

I whole heartedly believe the concept of paywalls, memberships and subscribers should die.
this is a victory for a battle I never even had to fight
this is fucking great!

>>24522980
>How many streamers have committed suicide because they can't talk to be that care about them online?
Enough. The fact that you argue this of all things shows that you don't follow anybody but well-adjusted streamers and don't know what it's like to watch a streamer worth spending money on.
>I simply stating that there is no correlation to spending money on a streamer making that patron a better viewer than someone who is not paying.
People who pay money care about a streamer.
>There are plenty of ways fans can recieve communication you have emal, text messages or even having other platforms like niconico or Twitch etc
How is your opinion of any import here when you list Twitch and Niconico as "fans receiving communication"

>>24518005
Fanbase is a reflection of the streamer after all.

>>24522961
They are not even good on Twitch though. Gifted subs don't graduate to paid subs, they are fluff. Subathons are literally useless in the long term.

>>24523104
>Yes. A site that has the feature and sees extensive use of it and people see it literally all the time and have no problems with it. It's literally coming from a place of experience.
>a place of experience
>twitch literally does not have members only streams
No, chat locked to certain users does not count, retard

>>24523442
that implies new members even want to watch members streams or would know where to find them

>>24523179
>you forgot "m-my oshi needs the money for her illness/dying pet/new model"
No, my oshi deserves the money because she is a better person than (You)

>>24523552
twitch does have members only streams.
there are "only subs can watch" vids and streams you can do.

>>24523254
>glad i never watched her. she has no respect for anybody but paypiggies
Good. People who don't pay for women don't care about women.

>>24523442
That's not how that works dumbass, how the fuck are old fans getting outnumbered by giffted subs what do YOU not understand? I already explained in a situation that even with infinite money the "newbies" get filtered and leave after a month because they're just not interested, leaving the old guard they're not staying

even if they would that would than allow them over time to become more accustomed to the streamer thus OLD FAN.

>>24523444
No it isn't. The two platforms have developed different cultures.
Some twitchfag was saying that paywalling content is against "streaming culture"
That is certainly not true for youtube streams, gifted memberships are what is against our streaming culture.

>>24523375
It really is an odd ""feature"" but I think the idea is some of those people will find they suddenly can't think of living life without having some shitty emotes to spam after having them for a month and might pay up for more where they wouldn't have if they hadn't been given a free sample.

And/or, being a member now able to be a green and have emotes might entice people to watch someone's streams more because they can now proudly show off their emote spam.

It sounds all stupid as hell to me but I suppose must work to at least some degree. But the thing is, it's so cheap anyone who really wanted it would just have gotten it already anyway. So it feels like it'd go to people who just plain don't care enough and/or third worlders who will be unable to continue the membership.

I don't know if gift subs or Discord Nitro gifting came first but if nitro came first I would think that's where they got the idea.

>>24523529
I mean sometimes they do. I already posted in this thread that the people I am subbed to are people who I had gotten gifted in the past and missed it when the sub expired so I started paying to have it all the time.

>>24523444
>A stream is a stream friendo. People who argue otherwise are just tribalfags. Especially when comparing features that exist on one site and are being introduced to another.
>t. twitch user
Once again, you have zero context and zero experience, your opinion comes from a place where you -literally- do not have the necessary brain matter in your head to make an appropriate call in this situation

>>24523610
No you utter moron. After a month they get replaced by a NEW BATCH, every month there is a new batch of casuals.

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>>24517572
Dumbest post in the thread

>>24523606
Literally nobody uses those
Gee, I wonder why

>>24523442
Don't most vtubers want new fans? isn't that the whole point of vtubing? this board just falls lower and lower. literal paypiggies defending their sekrit pay club so they can think their oshi actually cares about them. what's worse is you have chubbas reinforcing this behavior. this industry is fucked. god i miss the 4 king era

>>24523639
No they aren't. I have been gifted subs on twitch, and I didn't even bothered to watch the streamer.

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>>24523765
That's anecdotal then. Your experience is not universal

>>24523529
Also sucks to give Bezos so much money. I'd rather have donothons than subathons.

>>24523715
same
desu

>>24523764
>Don't most vtubers want new fans? isn't that the whole point of vtubing? this board just falls lower and lower. literal paypiggies defending their sekrit pay club so they can think their oshi actually cares about them. what's worse is you have chubbas reinforcing this behavior. this industry is fucked. god i miss the 4 king era
You are poor

>>24523818
Guards this woman has lost her composure remove her

>>24523861
Not that guy but I agree with him and I'm paying for 6 active subs right now.

>>24523818
>IF WOMEN CAN'T BLOGPOST SENSITIVE CONTENT TO THEIR DEDICATED FANS THEY WILL ACTUALLY KILL THEMSELVES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HAVE LITERALLY NEVER WATCHED A HOLOLIVE JP VTUBER
well maybe i think they should just graduate and die then.

>>24523764
Gifted subs don't turn into fans. These people just rotate to wherever they are given more freebies and camp streams.
> god i miss the 4 king era
No idea what that is

>>24523894
>twitch
Your opinion is literally irrelevant because you don't even know what a membership stream feels like because you have never experienced one.
Also, you are poor and aren't paying for shit, your parents are

>>24523823
lmao no. A month after each subathon the subscriptions expire and the poors don't ever renew. Watch the numbers.

>>24523927
>people on the internet should be HARD and EDGY and NOT CARE
go back shadow the hedgehog

>>24523927
No. Take yoru twitch culture out of yotuube

>>24523975
lol good one. you're coming off as very intelligent

>>24523994
Ironmouse's subathon began with her at something like 11-12k subs. Her sub counter is visible on stream and during her last stream it was at 15k. It ended 3 months ago, and she hasn't seen a huge viewspike since. She's gotten 3k more recurring subs out of it. I'm not saying it's an amazing ratio but it absolutely does happen.

>>24524070
*Correction. I looked at her last stream just to make sure I was remembering right and it turns out she's actually at 17k right now. So she got 5k more recurring not 3k.

>>24524070
>lol good one. you're coming off as very intelligent
You literally lack the context to form an opinion here. It is intelligent retard. How many times do you have to be told that you cannot have an opinion on something that you have literally never experienced before you recognize it is an objective fact?

>>24523949
>no idea what that is
the irony of a fucking newfag complaining about newer newfags jesus christ. if your a fan of a vtuber you should not give a shit about how much money a vtuber makes or how many views they have. because it doesn't affect the streams.

>>24524070
Ironmouse is an outlier becasue she became the most subed woman though, not a good example.

>>24524143
Because you're making assumptions. I've been watching Twitch streams actively for about a year. I was watching YT streams before then. I've been on both sides.

>>24513053
twitch is shitting itself constantly with stupid moves so youtube is trying to capitalize on that

>>24524189
Post your Youtube membership purchase history.

>>24524189
And you have learned nothing.

>>24523764
What it's doing is showing which ones actually value their fans a lot as a distinct entity and value talking to the people who care more, vs those who just go "I don't care it's free money for me either way, it's fine if 400 12-year old filipinos come in being ultra cringe next time I do a member stream."

>>24513301
Only a bitch who doesn't need to work for her popularity would be angry about this. Not surprised this comes from HoloEN.

>>24524191
They're both shit but Youtube is doing a terrible fucking job at capitalizing on Twitch's idiocy with these automated bans.

>>24523585
you mean she's better than (You). She's definitely not better than me, which is why I don't pay her to play videogames.

Every argument in this thread doesn't matter when it's the streamers themselves that want the option to disable or limit gifted subs to not ruin their members streams because they genuinely want to do member streams regardless of money

>>24524171
Are they male flesh streamers? Because if they are you can fuck off.
We don't care about that shit over here.

both sites bad in their own way, who actually gives a shit though?

>>24523949
>No idea what that is
THIS THREAD IN A NUTSHELL EVERYONE lol

>>24524244
this.

>>24523949
>No idea what that is
What the flying fuck. Are you trolling?

The way I see it, people who buy memberships have a credit card, and likely disposable income or even an actual job. That filters out all the literal children at the very least. I bet half the people arguing in favor of gifted memberships are underage.

Hey maybe its hololives turn to get 170k active subs(members)

>>24523975
>Twitch which literally invented gifted subs , Twitch users don't know anything about gifted subs
>you are poor
>your parents are paying
Do you idiots really?

>>24524287
>you mean she's better than (You). She's definitely not better than me, which is why I don't pay her to play videogames.
She is absolutely better than (You), though. It's why you didn't deserve to be born, but my oshi did. If anybody was given a choice between letting you live or my oshi live, they would pick my oshi and nobody would ever pick you, because she is a more valuable person than you, she has always been a more valuable person than you, and she will always be a more valuable person than you.

>>24524246
>le hard work
>NOOO YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD, YOU DON'T DESERVE IT
literal boomer mentality
The ironic thing is that Ina has worked harder than you ever could

>>24524429
ina? The most forgettable myth member?

>>24524313
exactly a bunch of newfags complaining because they don't remember the time where vtubing wasn't about farming superchats and getting a membership. it was about watching a character you thought was entertaining leaving a like and maybe a comment and then going about your day. vtubing has shifted to caring about the average fan to now only caring about the paypig fans

>>24524287
Then fuck off poorfag, this discussion doesn't concern you. May your "oshi" streams be filled with underage, backseating poorfags.

>>24524400
Twitch users don't know anything about membership streams because they never get ones worth having
(You) will never know what your oshis deepest fears are
(You) will never know what it feels like to have your oshi trust you with her mental health and know from experience that if you violate that trust it will cause a mental breakdown that could result in suicide
(You) will never truly love your oshi

>actually defending the utter trite known as membership content
now pc backgrounds and stuff is understandable but entire streams is too much.
I hope someone gifts every single live viewer a max tier sub to your oshi's using Argentinean pesos you coping fucks.

>>24524429
Nobody said anything about working hard or not. The point was that the mentality between a content creator who rose from 0 subs is significantly different from the one who goes big even before she debut.

>>24524530
>exactly a bunch of newfags complaining because they don't remember the time where vtubing wasn't about farming superchats and getting a membership. it was about watching a character you thought was entertaining leaving a like and maybe a comment and then going about your day. vtubing has shifted to caring about the average fan to now only caring about the paypig fans
>less investment GOOD
>more investment BAD
My dad once told me that something is only worth doing if you do it right, and that is why I grew up to be a man, and why you are still a boy.

>>24524566
so literally just ranting about irl shit and complaining about their day, wow that definitely sounds like a fun stream

>>24524593
My oshi will just start using Fanbox and has already said as much lmao

>>24524593
>NOOO EVERYTHING MUST BE FREEEEE
commie mentality.

>>24524662
>so literally just ranting about irl shit and complaining about their day, wow that definitely sounds like a fun stream
>being literally trusted with the life of another person isn't incredibly pleasurable to him
Let me guess, you also think commitment is scary

>>24524566
I mean they can just do it through alternate means if you want. I've watched people play Meet 'n Fucks and Koikatsu via Discord streaming since Twitch has integration that gives you access to sub-only channels.

>>24524641
your point being? Ina doesn't like gifting and youtube shouldn't foist it upon her

>>24524662
>lmao member's streams are crap
>NOOO why can't I watch member's streams, gift me meber's streams.

>>24524754
hey maybe your oshi can hit 170k members now, then continue to breakdown on a member stream it’ll be rushia 2.0

>>24524649
less investment is good. the only thing more investment leads to is thinking you oshi is your gf and actually cares about you. which leads to getting milked dry of your money. but you know what go ahead. just don't come crying when she has a boyfriend and the only to deal with it and all the wasted money you've spent is to cope

>>24523152
They don't care about superchat money retard.
They don't make money from superchat.
They make money from selling your data and from retards stupid enough not to know how to download an adblocker.
All they want is more viewers.

>>24524791
>>24524246

>>24524415
>I worship a streamer now lemme tell you about how valuable your life is
lmfao

>>24524534
Your oshi's stream is already packed full of inane simp messages though. I doubt adding underage poorfags will make any difference.

>>24524774
>I mean they can just do it through alternate means if you want. I've watched people play Meet 'n Fucks and Koikatsu via Discord streaming since Twitch has integration that gives you access to sub-only channels.
Yes they can do it through alternate means but now it literally trivializes Youtube memberships and they become as meaningless as Twitch subs.
Also, it's infinitely more convenient for them when the way of being able to do so is integrated into their main platform of choice. Youtube being a more closed off, intimacy friendly platform is 90% of the reason why it was used in the first place.

>>24524892
Why would i watch a shit streamer complain about their abusive uncle? Oh nyo he’ll expose that i work at hololive

>>24524927
we have a cuck in this thread.

>>24524920
>hey maybe your oshi can hit 170k members now, then continue to breakdown on a member stream it’ll be rushia 2.0
>it'll be Rushia 2.0
I'd rather have all the streamers I watch be like Rushia than like the average Twitch thot who can't even pretend to care

>>24524892
More like nobody likes gatekeeping e-thots.

>>24524994
alright have fun wasting money on somebody who wouldn't care if you died tomorrow

>>24515771
>Anything important for antis is always leaked
Yes but only the dedicated ones knows about it.
For example, how many ollie antis that knows about her liking a tweet about chink holofes2 restream? You can count with just one hand. Another example is chicken's talks about her Sparks song in member stream few eggs knows that despite its clipped and shared here.
The best solution is just seperate premium and gifted membership benefits with premium duration used first before gifted, but expecting susan and her 3 underpaid pajeets is stupid.

>>24524927
>cuck fantasies
Go masturbate while reading the Rational Male and blogpost on Twitter about how you think most bitches only want big dicks and money

Why doesnt Youtube invent a new feature so that people want to go over there for a unique experience, rather that just compete directly with twitch?

>>24524947
>Biggest video sharing site on the planet
>more closed off, intimate
what

>>24525011
Dw anon cover is letting them in with hololive anyway, theres a jp collab just around the corner

>>24525062
your the delusional one if you think a parasocial relationship will lead anywhere besides being more poor for no gain

>>24524937
>still LARPing and ignoring that my oshi is literally more valuable than him in every concievable sense
Again, if it was offered as a choice to anybody, including almost everybody ITT, they would choose to save my oshi instead of you
This is a literal fact
You cannot run away from facts

>>24524966
it's painfully obvious you don't understand what oshi means.
And yet you pontificate to us about gifted memberships not being a big deal.

>>24525063
This is what Youtube was
>why don't they do it
Because Youtube is run by faggots

>She only cares about money that's why she likes her members more
>Why won't the bitch take the free money
You people do realize this is completely contradictory right? The fact that someone only wants members who pay with their own money over getting more money from gifted subs is the exact opposite greedy. It shows they have more principles and actually cares about what their community and chat experience is like over materialistic money

>>24523764
Being able to watch member streams isn't going to be any fucking better at making someone a fan if all the public streams they already had access to didn't

>>24524530
>Content creators don't deserve to be compensated for their work

>>24525168
>inb4 cope about how the word actually means nothing but push but ignores the cultural background

>>24525087
Learn to read.
>, intimacy friendly platform

>>24525208
The Twitch cucks don't care about logic, they can't stop being angry that other people dislike them for being poor even though it's entirely their fault for being poor

>>24525087
Yes, it is the biggest video and streaming platform
However, the features of the platform inherently made it a more intimate experience if the streamer chose to use it as such.
People should be able to do what they want

>>24525208
It's pretty straightforward to me, I think some of the most ardent deniers are probably twitchfags/vshojofags who don't want to contemplate what that means when their community encourages donating subs to thousands of strangers and bragging about it like it's an achievement to pay random fuckwads to suddenly become """fans""" now for convenient milestone bragging.

>>24525154
>>24525047
>le parasocial buzzword
Twitch simps don't even get anything in exchange of their gifted subs.

>>24525154
>your the delusional one if you think a parasocial relationship will lead anywhere besides being more poor for no gain
Go cum to deranged posts about how lots of women are whores, cuck

I just don't get what makes sub-only chat on Twitch effectively different from a member's stream on Youtube. Yes free users can watch a Sub-only chat Twitch stream but if they can't chat it'll still move more slowly. And as opposed to sub-only streams tons and tons of streamers will enable Sub-only chat.

>>24525428
I already explained, the level of intimacy is lower

>>24525428
Because you've never watched a members only stream. They're not about entertainment. Not everybody has to value the same things you do.

>>24525280
if your so afraid of twitch culture maybe you should of complained when streaming became the main vtubing content. which suprise suprise is the same content people on twitch do

All of this whining is hilarious in its own way but in the end of the day gifted subs are coming and in 1 year you'll all look back at how retarded everyone was for being against it.

>>24525378
The vshojo girls gatekeep by having a discord for recurring members only.

>>24525678
That's retarded, streaming is inherently more intimate than VODs. Membership streams are inherently more intimate than public streams. There is no conflict of interest here.
I'll reiterate, if you insist upon everybody having the same values as you, that makes you cringe.

>>24525678
I don't even understand what are you even trying to say. Do you think twitch has dibs on streaming or what?

>>24525167
I can just close the screen and walk away from any facts here.
Meanwhile your precious 'oshi' is stuck in a stream waiting for someone to ask her to say ara ara. And she'll do it if the price is right which is the literal fact you've got to live with.

>>24525686
They can be disabled by the streamer, and whales will still whale no matter what avenue they take it in. Just because gifted subs are enabled doesnt mean that it will encourage new people to give money to the streamer

>>24525686
>intimate membership streams end permanently
>look back at how retarded everyone was
Yeah, nah. All you'll cause is for innocent emotionally unstable women to kill themselves. But that is, of course, something you'd support in the first place, because you're vile.

>>24525808
>I can just close the screen and walk away from any facts here.
Actually, you can't walk away from facts. That's why they're called facts, and not opinions.

>>24525822
>They can be disabled by the streamer
They can't be. This is LITERALLY the problem.

>>24525822
>whales will still whale no matter what avenue they take it in.
Wrong
t. whale

>>24525882
holy projection

>>24525882
He's an unhappy fuck who is bitter and angry

>>24526023
>holy projection
...what does that even mean in this context? At least learn what buzzwords mean before you show off how ESL you are

>>24525915
Nothing posted here is a fact.

>>24525996
Better whales will rise up with gifted subs. Even with there being a cut taken from it people tend to prefer gifted subs over donations on Twitch because it means the community gets to enjoy the benefits of a sub as well. Literally everyone wins. The streamer gets money out of it, the whale gets to feel good about having donated, and random viewers get to enjoy the content better.

Multiple vtubers have openly posted about how their paying members are the only ones that stopped them from taking their life
Oftentimes, this is after extensive hospitalization after literal attempts on their life
These people would literally not be able to survive if they couldn't blogpost to dedicated, trustworthy fans.
They deserve to live, too.

>>24526244
Anon it is a literal fact that my oshi is more valuable than you. That's not some opinion. It can be proved numerically. MATH anon, MATH proves it. You can't debate math.

>>24526259
talk for youself. I prefer donations and bits. I recognized gifted subs as cancer from day 1

>>24525771
who's the one truly insisting everybody behave the same? some people don't give a shit about intimacy and watch for different reasons. >>24525882
if they can't handle mean words they should get off the internet.