/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24445462
I wonder how nijikeks will attempt to deflect now

Aren't they vpn users? Genuinely asking.

>>24445462
>China
>Botting
No fucking way

Council cope.
We already know its /#/ buying bots to get the male livers banned.

>>24445562
>>24445631
like clockwork

Yeah, you're the ones botting them. /#/fags admitted as such in an attempt to get them banned.

>>24445565
The charts from when hololive was still in China don't look like this, so no

>>24445462
>Fujos
>Botting
Yeah no shit. There's probably a huge overlap with kpop stans. They're infamous for shitting up every website with bought bots.

>>24445671
Can I see those?

>>24445705
This. Femcels are egregious when it comes to this type of thing.

Welcome to fujo fanbases. This is like, their whole thing.

>>24445664
>Bot for Nijis
>"HELP ME SUSAN NIJIS ARE BOTTING"

>>24445729
here's a good example from around that time

>>24445462
We already knew that but ok. You nijifags should have gatekept the fujoshits

>>24445729
also another one

>>24445957
if you guys did why are nijikeks trying to claim this is a falseflag attack?

>>24445462
I read this as "luxiem is bottoms" and was hoping to see one of the Niji girls pushing the guys around. I am disappointed.

>>24445565
Aqua still has a lot of chinese fans and her graphs are normal

>>24445671
>>24445889
>>24445970
Although looking at it weren't they simulcasting on BilbiBilbi at the time?
Or is Luxiem already doing that now?
Trying to fully understand the variables.

>>24445462
>all from the same hotel
what is it with nijiniggers and offpakos? Were they not informed of the Dodgeball Incident?

>>24445631
>>24445664
I love how that thread lives rent-free in the head of fujoshits. That said, I feel sorry for any actual fan that has to tolerate your kind in the /NijiEN/ thread

>>24445462
>Same hotel, thus all issues must be the same
Is this actually true, or are we assuming it to be true just because?

>>24446401
They are staying in two separate airbnb's from what I understand. Nina, Mysta, Mika and Oliver in one and the rest in another. The stream in the bottom right had enough issues with connection that I can see people commenting on it about the wi-fi and tech issues.

>>24445462
Yeah because YouTube ぐるぐる is known to affect everyone equally
/#/ does not even understand the most basic thing about numberfagging

>>24446651
it doesn't matter anyways because we know what a graph of a stream plagued with connection problems look like that that is not a connection problem grapth

Are the superchats also botted

>>24445462

>>24447345
No those are just simps.

>>24446054
Selen has more testosterone than all of Luxiem combined

>>24447268
You're going to need to post several connection problem streams to prove there a trend instead of just one

I don't speak numbernigger, what am I supposed to be seeing?

>>24447380
quality post

>>24447557
Holofags from the number thread trying to cope with males being popular.

>>24447492
Luxiem is botted by chink fujos and any attempts you see of explaining their strange graph away with "connection issues" is flat out nijinigger lies

>>24447687
Numberfags....

>>24447774
nijiniggers...

>>24447687
meant for >>24447557

>>24447687
Kind of seems like the OP trying to prove botting is the one lying to me though. The entire argument being made that this proves bots is that they are all staying in the same hotel when they aren't and for some reason it presumes that internet connection issues cannot be intermittent?

>>24445462
Why do you care again? Why waste your time with this, can't you just watch streams?

>>24447557
another failed attempt by holocopes in /#/ trying to prove luxiem is illegitimate by botting them

see https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/22828612/#q22831703

>>24447841
but they are staying in the same hotel, they are staying in two seperate units but it's literally right next door to each other, and on top of which oliver's stream also has connection issues and we don't see the same kind spiky graph that makes it look like a fucking mountain range

>>24445562
looks like the needle today fell on "falseflag attack"

>>24447841
as a professional bot-watcher who glows in the dark, a sharp drop-off with a break in stream connection is standard behavior since bots are flagged to leave immediately whenever the api says the stream is offline and filter back in when the api says the stream is online
real people take longer to leave and the obscene drop-off for Nina and whichever retard is in the bottom right is abnormal and should be flagged

>>24447930
I don't think they are. From what I understand they aren't staying in hotels at all but rather two seperate airbnb's.

>>24447891
Amazing how nobody got banned for that.

any reason why should I care

>>24448123
Holocope because they don't have streams to watch. I still can't believe they're fully grown adult men caring about this kind of thing.

>>24447557
When measured on a graph stream viewership usually creates a curve like the top right's, emphasis on a curve. Things can effect that including youtube being a horrible platform but you get the general idea of gain viewers and then sit at a peak for most of the stream.

For "some reason" there has been a very strange pattern in NijiEN male graphs, often referred to to as worming. Where they will suddenly lose thousands of viewers and then gain them all back. Along with very rapid spikes. This is abnormal and looks more like bots or viewfarms than natural viewership.

The big niji cope is VPNs (they are most popular in china) do something unclear that causes these graphs. Thing is though we don't see this happen nearly as much or at all when they feature on other channels. We also don't see these on old holo graphs when China liked them. The other copes are usually along the lines of specific internet issues only ever effecting them this way, or generally shitflinging. Such as >>24447891 where they ignore someone bought these just to prove botting works, and >>24448070 lying that nobody got banned.

>>24448175
your kind botted millie and it didn't look like that. KYS because your life reached this point that you would sabotage streamers because your fav company is threatened by them

>>24447610
Then explain, fujotard, how the fuck did Kobo who brought a new audience at Hololive never got a single graph similar to any guy from NijiEN, that absolutely NO ONE in the Vtubing community besides two NijiJP males(who pander to females specifically) recently ever had a graph like this >>24445462, but that for SOME ODD REASON, since late of march 2022, when your kind started to aggressively post on doxx sites(because you're rejected from everywhere else, you had to hide there), post on 4chan as well because you didn't like your manwhores getting criticized negatively, and then during that same time, these worm patterns that are vaguely similar to how botted streams(check the crypto ones)usually are, that started to appear too on Korean streams whenever they have their shitty concerts. For some weird reason, their peak is ALWAYS at around ten to twenty mins in the stream(unless some other manwhore joins the stream via Voice Chat), but then they just keep reclining in numbers the whole stream, no matter what happens(exactly the behavior of botted streams who keep losing viewers overtime because pajeets at YouTube's HQ start noticing some pattern).
Just check your Milord's unarchived stream for his birthday or milestone stream or whatever the fuck that was, he even reached 60k with bots. The pattern at that time was plain obvious, and this happened too on Luca's and Uki's karaoke streams not too long ago. There is a EN girl from a low tier company who got botted to 41k for no fucking reason and displayed the same behavior overtime (most surprising thing was that only a few hundreds went to see her premiered video after the stream, because bots aren't intelligent enough yet to move from one stream to another.

This is why nijiniggers, holobronies and especially numberniggers need to be banned. /vt/ should be for indies

>>24447883
>can't you just watch streams
The point is to force the opposite on others so we can purify /#/. With sufficient proof of botting and viewfarming, the Youtube algorithm will ghost their channels, hopefully killing their visibility and growth, and eventually their viewership. It could also get their channels terminated (just temporarily though, nijishit will no doubt bitch to Susan about it).

>>24446118
Not really, the main thread gets /#/'s bait from time to time stirring shit saying "x is dead" or "SC are low because of y". Something the fujo's don't realize though, the majority of them are not holobrony tourists but just the resident schizoposters going to the /#/thread and taking graphs to shitpost with.

>>24448483
Holoboard is holoboard, whether you like it or not retard.

>>24445462
not only is Luxiem streams botted to hell but their donations are a money laundering operation for the Triad.

>>24448537
It's shitty as a Holoboard, an Indieboard would be better.

>>24448519
And yet the frogs have made a much greater impact on doing that whole thing then you numberfags ever will.

>>24448626
The frogs achieve nothing, corpo terminations don't stick and leave no lasting mark. On the contrary, they create martyrs and increase interest in their targets.

I wonder how many of these posts are from the same fat chinese underage girl

>>24448312
If you wanted to try and reframe what happened you probably shouldn't have linked to the thread. The point was to test what would happen if the cheapest bots on offer were used and if they'd even work. Turns out they do work, but you need to keep paying and pay more if you want a more realistic curve.

Here though we see what happens if you go cheap.

if you think that theyre botting why not report it to youtube? you could actually make a impact rather than staying in your circlejerk general

>>24448615
Holoboard, seethe about it

>>24448851
>report it to youtube
Ah youtube, the company famous for listening to complaints. If they won't properly fix those fake crypto streams then nothing will be done here.

>>24448851
That 2 view from Prism had an openly botted stream and nothing happened to her.

>>24448786
incidentally for those of you in the back, this is what a connection issue looks like on the chart, where it quickly dives to near zero before shooting back up to where it was before, not whatever the fuck is happening in the mario party collab

>>24448937
you think crypto streams are made by one person?

>>24448786
How the fuck does that prove anything. I know you obviously weren't watching as the times when it goes up are when the Fan videos and most all of EN enter to wish him a happy birthday and totsu. Of course during those points there is going to be an uptick in viewer ship, and when those points end they will also leave.

Vox dropped 5k views on his bathrub ASMR when he told his audience to not be parasocial and seek therapy but also keep giving money

the nips know about it too

Holobros I thought we didn't care about nijiniggers? Now we're reporting their streams because they're numbers are too close to ours?

>>24449221
>escort hive
lolwut

>>24449343
we're doing the world a favor retard, we must defeat the bane of vtubing, Nijisanji

Nijisanji always botted though. Remember the Miamoto baseball stream with a ton of viewers and barely any SC at all which became for a few months. Nijisanji is black business.

>>24449751
>became a meme

>China
>Using bots
imagine my shock

>>24449839
>jew article

>>24450168
Yellow insectoid feelers wrote this post

>>24449115
>>/vt/thread/S23106514#p23116187
> 23k peak
> about 7.5k went for the watchalong
> graph currently hovering around 16k even after watchalong ended

You can see the whole archived thread to see what your saying doesn't match the numbers on the graph

>>24445462
Sad!

>>24449115
Apart from you already being destroyed on this, that isn't what we see on birthdays. Lets take Ame's birthday as an example, it too had a mix of events. Yet when we look at the graph, it is up hill till a plateau, cause people tend to stick around or get replaced at a fast enough rate to not drop off. Once you start watching you want to see what else will be revealed, who else will call and or just sort of doing it now. This also means you will most likely peak late not early. Tuning in for the intro then bouncing is a weird way to watch.

But okay, different companies so lets do niji v niji. And nope Vox is still a freak, incline, peak and then plateau. Not sudden jumps cause people got bored or whatever.

>>24449115
>>24450899
And if you want an example of a stream where viewers are redirected to another stream here is the graph for the anniv of HoloID gen 1 where their group song was premiered during the stream

>>24450899
why does the shape of this shit matter? You're trying too hard to downplay their success

>>24451026
>The nijinigger shrieks in fear as his tricks are being exposed

>>24451080
>holonigger roleplays just because a non-holo is winning

also not an explanation

>>24451129
>Nijinigger exposed for botting
>Y-Y-You are just jealous
nijicope

despite what people ITT are saying, the mario party collab was having alot of buffering issues
arguing about graphs is kinda sad tbdesu

>>24451026
Every other streamer produces consistently similar results. If someone doesn't, and their fan base is defensive about it. That suggest foul play. Countries outside China consider that bad.

>>24451185
we know what a buffering chart looks like. That is not the chart of a stream with connection issues

And if you want something else Luca still has videos up that use Towa and Okayu (who still does not give permission to use her BGM in any way) without credits

https://youtu.be/zdxH7NRZPhE
1:36:50 Towa
2:08:42 Okayu
https://youtu.be/sw-yGr6i818
3:08:00 Towa
3:57:20 Okayu
https://youtu.be/P145FYusZiY
49:16 Towa
https://youtu.be/IKmSocESFfo
42:12 Towa
1:08:28 Okayu
https://youtu.be/Pj8RYDZvNBE
36:15 Towa
1:20:45 Okayu
https://youtu.be/SzvEw2Snq7A
1:27:58 Towa
3:16:55 Okayu
https://youtu.be/G7R1tqXsbIA
4:02:16 Towa

>>24445462
can't believe numberfags think the graphs talk to them and we pretend it's normal

>>24451153
>spends weeks trying to smear and prove botting based on irregular shape
>tells other people that they're the one jealous

hilarious

>>24451185
>the mario party collab was having alot of buffering issues
>>24448997
>>24447268
and the other ones >>24445462 all also experience buffering issues. Yet only 1 produces those results.

>>24451185
the nijen general was checked during that stream time and only one mention of technical issues was found so it isin't that.

>>24451231
They're working it out behind the scenes and Towa already said it was fine and followed him on twitter lol

>>24451241
Don't talk about my graph GF like that

>>24451231
Lmao what a leech

>>24451301
Towa said it was fine if she was credited but those videos have no credits for Towa in them.

>>24451291
ogey
>>24371301
>>24371608
>>24371718
>>24371824
>>24372374
>>24370937
>>24371217
>>24371282
>>24371560

>>24445462
I'm not too savvy but you're implying sometbing like 5 to 15 thousand viewers of that dude were bots?

>>24451471
Due to youtube being aids in general, there is no real way to tell what the true view count is. Bot culls could easily sweep up real viewers along with them.

>>24451471
thereabouts

>>24451454
Nooooooo see that doesn't fit the narrative. I have literally 0 evidence to suggest its bots, but see this graph it look weird. I will NOT investigate any other possible reason, I will instead say it is bots because all of the circumstantial evidence (which could have 10 different reasons) says it is bots.

>2020
>"Wtf why are nijifags report bombing my oshi's streams? They caused the holocaust!"
>it was actually chinks and 5ch trolls

>2022
>"nijifag streamers are getting botted and banned? obviously it's because of their fujochink fanbase!
>it was actually French trolls and butthurt holonumberfags as seen in >>24447891

Reminder that rabid holofags (mostly radical newfag EN fans) have been kicked out of 109 different threads and boards.

>>24451570
the graphs speak to me, i don't need to investigate other reasons when i can point at a graph and claim it as evidence for anything my schizophrenic mind conjures

>>24451609
>(mostly radical newfag EN fans)
HAHAHAHAHAHA. The new fujoshits are way worse, keep coping girl

Remember CCV Covid, no? Remember when Holofags ran to YouTube support to cry that their favorite Holos were suddenly dropped to 2 or 5K, hell some Holo JPs fell below 1K. They cried that they would never bitch about bots again. Now, here we are again. If suddenly, the YouTube algorithms get 'fixed', and we are suddenly back at that issue; then we can thank these dumb fucks insecurity for the problem.

>>24451454
>she's crossposting her own posts and samefagging now

Remember, this tribalfaggotry is because of Luxiemfags

>>24451883
Let me fix this, remember this tribalfaggotry is because of numberfags.

>>24451813
That's been fixed over for like a year.

>>24451883
holobronies were tribalfagging with coco before luxiem was a thing

In six months, StarsEN will be begging for scraps at the Luxiem table.

>>24451570
>I have literally 0 evidence to suggest its bots,

>>24452195
Good, us Holobronies don't want Holostars EN anyway, let it fail so males don't invade like cukjisanji

>>24448519
>/#/ is basically a SEAnigger raid thread with textbook botting and farming attempts to get vtubers banned
'Containment' threads were always a fucking pipe dream, but goddamn. Do your fucking jobs, janitors.

>>24446118
stop spreading disinformation holonigger

>>24452195
StarsEN is as real as luxium and as real as twitter...keep smoking that pipe and chasing that futa dragon bro I'm sure you'll catch it eventually.

>>24445462
they'll blame the french after this

>>24445462
Anyone with 2 braincells can see that Luxiem is as real as twitter maybe that's why they spend most of their time on that hellscape site.

>>24452195
as a holofag i'd love for that towajyv happen hahaha

can holoturds fuck off and stop making conspiracy theories?

>>24448389
>No one has a good counterargument
Good job Nijibros. Go support anti-vaxxers too.

>>24451454
numberbros...

It is funny how in this entire thread, no one brought an actual valid counter-argument to the table

>>24445462
Luxiemfaggots and their "fans" being dishonest as usual. This is why the lads at Matome hates these niggers.

>>24453092
Cause everyone knows it's real obviously, zhangs even have an obvious motivation to bot Luxiem, because being Nijisanji, the rival corpo to Hololive, as well as being male, makes Holo fans angry.

>>24452117
Sure "holobronies". Anyone has that old image of /vyt/ back in /jp/ were a janny deleted the OP image just because it was Okayu and Korone?

>>24452195
not if Cover has any sense. It should be obvious to everyone that the strategy for male vtubers needs to change. the only thing Cover needs to do is to not rush the auditions and wait for someone with actual tallent.

>>24453128
is that meant to prove something?

>>24453196
Yes, tribalfaggotry existed against holofags, and nijifags were the most tribal, fujo newfag

>>24453261
> revisionism, whataboutism, cognitive dissonance
holy holoturd

>>24453448
Newfag. Repeating the same thing over and over again will not change things. Go back to Crystal Cafe

>>24451883
the vast majority of male discussion in the actual NijiEN threads is just "i want to rape shota shu and see shota sonny pee himself" there are way less Luxiemfags than there are people who just want to use Luxiem as bait

>>24453261
nobody liked holofags

>>24453614
No, nijifags didn't like holofags, and they were the most tribal and vocal against holofags

>>24453682
see>>24453448

>>24453709
See >>24453514

Anyone gonna address that chart? Technical issues do not cause massive drop offs like that

>>24453750
there's a reason this board exists >>24453614

>>24453804
Funny, >>24453448 could apply to you too then

So why did the penultimate number die so fast? What's the point of CCV, superchats, likes, vod views, etc. when you make less money in the end? What even is the point of the /#/ thread if they have 0 reliability in predicting future revenue?

>>24453870
delusional

>>24446054
You aren't the only one.

>it was actually chinks and 5ch trolls
Why are nijisanji fans always newfags?

>>24454004
It's not nijifags, it's the fujoshits that came here because of Luxiem

>>24454004
Meant to quote >>24451609

>>24448389
>There is an EN girl from a low tier company
The Egyptian snake girl right? Didn't she do a
>are you a real viewer
poll only to find 300/40k were actual viewers?
Or am I confusing events?

>>24452878
holonigger being a vax cuck. no surprise. go masturbate to kiara having lesbian sex freak

>>24453092
the graph shape being unusual wasn't a valid argument in the first place

>>24453795
Numberniggers will just say that they used different bots, it's a cycle of cope that I really can't wrap my head around. Why not just watch what you like? Why stress over and hyper analyze something you claim to dislike?

>>24454219
>fujo
>tribalist
>revisionist
>fingers her anus to Vox
>anti-vaxx

>>24454336
If it happened several times like it was shown, then it is.

>>24454336
I don't see any valid arguments against it.

>>24445462
I cant tell what I’m supposed to be looking for

>>24453092
>M-muh graphs
Numbernigger, your graphs have had multiple memes about how inaccurate they have been. How patterns come and disappear. Now you're going to argue that Chinese and Taiwanese aren't actual humans and shouldn't count as a view. So YouTube will start filtering out actual viewers again.

>>24447557
The streams in question were all connected to the same internet service because it was an offcollab and they said so. Yet, they had very different curves in viewers/time and we know Youtube tries to track and purge bots coming in, which looks like big sudden dips. So it's sus as fuck if not fairly damning.

Even so I wouldn't blame this evidence on Anycolor so much as chinese fujos behaving badly and being shitty cheaters, Chinese cheat and scam fucking everything, including each other all the time.

Council sisters this is getting embarrassing.

>>24448924
Neck yourself niggerfaggot trannykike normalfag so'yboy furfaggot xcuck so'ychugging chud cumbrain coomer vermin supreme holotrannie holobronie weebtard poltard cuck. And go back to >>>/trash/ or >>>/pol/

>>24454385
>WAH JUST LET US ENJOY THINGS
Nice reddit statement. If you're too small brained to understand /#/, then don't engage.

>>24454474
So, what services do they use to bot?

>>24454336
going nuh uh is not an actual argument

>>24454605
Chinese? No idea but it's really not hard at all to find them, people from here have demonstrated it's for real several times. If you didn't know this I'm not in the mood to spoonfeed.

>>24454385
damage control harder, bro

>>24445462
Luxiem having over 75% bots makes zero sense for the amount of traction they get externally and the amount of money they get.

>>24454705
>75% bots
That's a number that nobody said

>>24454605
Something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_pRsSM_sXQ

>>24454652
And what sites are taking payments in Yuan or Taiwanese Dollars?

>>24454437
bias when the same "argument" can be used on holos botting without any real evidence

holobronies... you should go back to /jp/

>>24454623
neither is graph shape without evidence

>>24454423
nah fag, i'm male, I don't watch vox, I hate the idol culture of holoniggers and yea i'm not a fucking retard who got jabbed. kys and go wave your ukraine flag to show how much of a mindless drone you are

>>24454988
yes it is, you're just denying it because you don't like the conclusion that it leads to.

>>24455058
You know that you are the only retarded fujo on this board that uses "holonigger", right?

>>24445970
>peak at 10 minutes
numberniggers would mock the faggots for this graph too

>>24455092
same thing you're doing then? Luxiem was a success without botting and you don't like it

>>24455137
seethe there is many of us

>>24453795
>>24453092
Fine, I've been avoiding /#/ like the plague since the 5th iteration but why not.

Like >>24451570 said, all that's shown is circumstantial evidence. You're asking people to explain why the graph is like that which is something that no one bar a youtube employee can answer. Not knowing why the bar is like that != bots in the first place.

The second is, what streams are allegedly botted, and why were those streams chosen?
Looking at all of Luxiem's past streams

https://vrabi.net/video/LX8WCMsIjmw
https://vrabi.net/video/d24j0EliJgs
https://vrabi.net/video/_N5Kgl5ICwY
https://vrabi.net/video/aXTJU_H13Zg
https://vrabi.net/video/N70_IQihIB0
https://vrabi.net/video/vXM3fd4Ch9U
https://vrabi.net/video/sXtQq2xP7wA
https://vrabi.net/video/FU2H5oCj0co
https://vrabi.net/video/s4M_VcrldKA
https://vrabi.net/video/ay0Cj6T2e8E
https://vrabi.net/video/6F_lsMpYZLM

The only ones that stand out are 3 of Luca's streams, and the Ike collab. Why only those 3? Why not all of Luca's streams? Why not other members of Luxiem? Why not when they're in a collab on one of the girl's channels?

Another question is, why not Noctyx? They clearly also have a good amount of chinese fans. Yet none of their streams are like that at all.

Not only that, but besides the superstars stream, which people claimed had tech issues, why is it the only graph that blatant? Every other one looks not more further from the average than any of these.

https://vrabi.net/video/pdX8WrcP-JA
https://vrabi.net/video/JagnaJE3uDM
https://vrabi.net/video/vqpNRkHz6oc
https://vrabi.net/video/XZpFe5il9XU
https://vrabi.net/video/T9HAPOqK5As

Similarly, there are multiple streams that look like the supposed other "connection problem" streams that didn't have connection problems at all. Where's the proof for establishing what a stream with connection problems is supposed to look like?

>>24455161
Explain the graph then. The fact of the matter is the luxiem is the only group that gets those graphs and you denying that there's nothing wrong just means you're desperate and in denial

>>24455207
You and your other personalities aren't "us"

>>24455158
rent free

>>24455272
the graph has a weird shape and that's it. There's little to no evidence to make a valid conclusion. Everything else is just speculation or made up bullshit because you hate nijisanji

also see >>24451454

>>24454786
Then give a number. Clearly you think 75% is bullshit. Do you think 20% are bots? 30%? It dropped from 25k to nearly 12k. Do you think more than 50% are bots? Why doesn't it line up with the number of likes and comments? Do you think they bot to the exact same peak every time? Why do you think it was botted specifically back to 24k? What percentage of the added 12k do you think were bots and real people?

>>24451570
>>24451715
except of course the whole point of this thread is that nijiniggers like you have been trying to argue away the strange graphs of luxiem by claiming "connection issues" which is clearly a lie when placed next to other graphs from the same company with connection issues

>>24455227
holoturds obliterated

>>24451609

>>24452878
>good agrument made by other anon
>i know ill bring vaxxs into the conversation
you are retared mate and i like hololive

>>24455508

>>24455483
see >>24455508
specifically
>by claiming "connection issues" which is clearly a lie when placed next to other graphs from the same company with connection issue
also saying
>the graph has a weird shape and that's it
is like saying
>sure everyone in the city around the nuclear reactor suddenly started losing hair and shitting blood but surely there's nothing to worry about

>>24451241
>Oh no how dare you know about pattern rrcognition of what a regular graph for a VTuber is supposed to look like
Cope

>>24455491
That's a lot of seething, I wasn't even trying to argue anything, but by your seething I can already tell that you are a woman, and most like a fujoshit. So any "discussion" we could've had will be dumb

>>24451454
the one post that single-handedly blew this topic the fuck out and people are still posting

>>24455058
>>24455573

>>24455508
you literally proved nothing other than they have weird graphs. It makes you mad that no one buys into your mental illness and still like some vtubers you hate. Your dumbshit numberfag thread even botted someone and it didn't come out the way you wanted

>>24455637
>like
Likely*

>>24455661
Yeah, it's not like the OP is a direct counter to it or anything

>>24455683
So are you actually going to explain the graph or are you just going to whine and deflect that nobody wants to just let you get away with it?

>>24455335
ok holoturd

>>24455508
And numberfags project what is said in their thread onto the entirety of the board. Fact is, YouTube could still be improperly filtering viewers. Yet, that wouldn't matter to any autistic numberfags as long as your confirmation biases is affirmed.

>>24455227
>all that's shown is circumstantial evidence
It acts like other botted streams and other explanations simply don't stack up.

>The second is, what streams are allegedly botted, and why were those streams chosen?
Wait that proves the point though. The claim isn't every stream is botted, in fact it is often pointed out how they do much worse sometimes. More than someone of their sub numbers should. If they can get more normal graphs then this isn't some magic problem hurting their channel. Weird how it more commonly happens to be their big streams that see these issues. Birthdays, mile stones, important collabs.

>why not Noctyx
Why not the second, less popular ones when the plan would require money? Tough one. But it does show that it isn't just VPNs cause as you said not all of them suffer from it and not all the time. Thanks for killing the VPN explanation.

>why is it the only graph that blatant? Every other one looks not more further from the average than any of these.
That's the point retard did you even read the image? It says straight as possible this graph is noticeably different than the norm. Why is it the only one so blatant? GOOD FUCKING QUESTION, almost like one of these streams was botted and this is not some other issue related to who is watching. Cause we'd see that emerge when they collab with other groups.

>>24455637
Thanks for conceding.

>>24455776
>Fact is, YouTube could still be improperly filtering viewers.
For just luxiem streams? when no other stream in existence and even other streams from the same company have that effect?
Boy Nijiniggers sure are getting delusional

>>24455754
Why is it everyone else's fault that the argument was so weak that it was countered by asking for evidence?
weird shape = bots, apparently

>>24455754
it's already explained, low IQ ape.
>>24455227
go watch your idolshit now

>>24455864
Yes, exactly, because it's not connection issues, it's not VPN issues, therefore it must be bots.
Unless of course you're going to try and argue that youtube has it out for luxiem and luxiem specifically, in which case you're more delusional than I thought

>>24447268
Why am I not surprised Holofags and numberfags are always the same people. God you people are pathetic.

>>24455904
>>24455556
do you actually read the post you're quoting or are you just assuming that it's a long ass post on nijisanji's side so it must have an explanation instead of just posting a bunch of other cases?

>>24456001
ah, the favourite tactic of the nijinigger, when cornered resort to personal insults

>>24455928
Again, no evidence but somehow a conclusion. Literally the same argument as "holos have all these subs but this amount of viewers THEREFORE they're botting"

>>24455825
Oh, the absolute haughtiness in this post. Let me repeat,
>>24455825
>For just luxiem streams? when no other stream in existence and even other streams from the same company have that effect?
I still remember the absolute meltdown in Noombers when the CCV for Hololive died and Nijisanji EN was still floating around their usual numbers. Don't expect sympathy, do not run to say you've always been for Nijisanji if suddenly there's jaggedness in your glorious graphs.

>>24456051
The evidence is right in the OP. You claiming that there "is no evidence" doesn't make the evidence disapear, now stop deflecting and explain the chart

>>24455227
>Another question is, why not Noctyx? They clearly also have a good amount of chinese fans.
Surely this would mean any non-botting explanation is false? If it was just non-english/japanese fans, vpns or some bug then we'd see an equal effect with a second wave of Chinese focused streamers. Alternatively, if Fungus and the Fungals didn't do so great, well there would be fewer paying for bots. Still some, but a less noticeable effect.

>Yet none of their streams are like that at all.
No they do. Just less often, less extreme.

>>24455928
>Evidence has been provided that at that time there were in fact noticeable connection issues that were talked about.
>0 evidence of any botting occurring and is only a 'last resort' argument
I thought with how much you've typed in this thread you would be at least a tiny bit intelligent.

>>24456084
quit deflecting and explain why holos have so little viewers in proportion to their subs. They're clearly botting bro

Isn't it an open secret luxiem have been bitting since the start? There is no way graphs like this are natural and normal. Even if they showed buffering or connection problems one stream, why does it occur on nearly all voxs streams?
Chinese fans, Chinese bots, no growth on /VG/ despite being the quickest growing channel in vtuber history.
Something is very wrong. We already know vox viewers have tons of money and are Chinese.
I can't imagine if it ever got out that he's botting.

>>24455785
>It acts like other botted streams and other explanations simply don't stack up.
There were only 2 confirmed botted streams afaik. Millie's and the other one not on vrabi. You're telling me with a straight face you think that looks like this, simply on the presumption that you think they slowly release the bots?

https://vrabi.net/video/kvET5ChSBJM

>Wait that proves the point though. The claim isn't every stream is botted, in fact it is often pointed out how they do much worse sometimes. If they can get more normal graphs then this isn't some magic problem hurting their channel. Weird how it more commonly happens to be their big streams that see these issues. Birthdays, mile stones, important collabs.
This isn't true though. Take Vox for example.
https://vrabi.net/channel/UCckdfYDGrjojJM28n5SHYrA
Out of these, his 700k, MC, RE7, and Outlast 2 look the most like that. That's 1 celebration and 3-4 solo streams. Meanwhile the asmr's and collabs don't stray that far.

>Why not the second, less popular ones when the plan would require money? Tough one. But it does show that it isn't just VPNs cause as you said not all of them suffer from it and not all the time. Thanks for killing the VPN explanation.
Why not the most popular members of Luxiem then? Why just 3 of Luca's streams including solo streams and excluding collabs? You think it costs that much more money to bot 10 people vs 5? Or is the assumption not that their individual fans are the ones botting them anymore?

>That's the point retard did you even read the image? It says straight as possible this graph is noticeably different than the norm. Why is it the only one so blatant? GOOD FUCKING QUESTION, almost like one of these streams was botted and this is not some other issue related to who is watching. Cause we'd see that emerge when they collab with other groups.
You need reading comprehension. "Only graph" is referring to that graph out of the other ones I posted, not the ones in the OP image. The other 3 images in the graph don't even fall under "likely to be botting".

>>24456174
so you can't actually find an explanation for the strange graph other than bots, gotcha

>>24456151
look up occam's razor

>>24456297
so there's no evidence that luxiem botted and holos botted to get their numbers, gotcha

>>24456044
you're a pathetic loser

>>24456453
case in point

>>24456297
ad hominem, cognitive dissonance, gotcha

why are people accusing Luxiem of botting when it's obsessive fans paying for it if anything

>>24456530
because retards like >>24456391
and >>24456496
are absurdly defensive and keep shitposting to deflect, so in this situation there's no point in trying to be reasonable

>>24456597
smearing some vtubers you don't like with schizo garbage and botting their members to prove something isn't reasonable

Nijisanji is trash

>>24456121
Surely this would mean any non-botting explanation is false? If it was just non-english/japanese fans, vpns or some bug then we'd see an equal effect with a second wave of Chinese focused streamers.
The assumption isn't that any other explanation is true. The question in the first place is, why only part of Luxiem when they aren't the only one with chinese fans/fans willing to bot? If the assumption is that chinese fans are botting Luxiem, then it's not different from non-en/jp fans, vpns, or bugs specific to china as you're region limiting them anyways. If you don't see an equal effect with the second wave, any valid needs to explain why.

>No they do. Just less often, less extreme.
Noctyx? Which stream/who are you thinking of in particular? Because I'm looking through their stream graphs right now and nothing stands out.

>>24456248
>There were only 2 confirmed botted streams afaik
No there are like 8 or so including some guy during the ccvid arc admitting to it. But we also have >>24456219

>Meanwhile the asmr's and collabs don't stray that far.
Not true, we see plenty of worms. But regardless responding yes not every stream is botted, with well not every stream looks botted is not the win you think it is. If it were VPNs it would be consistent, if it were bots then they'd be unlikely to pay up for every little stream cause that costs a lot.

>Why not the most popular members of Luxiem then? Why just 3 of Luca's streams including solo streams and excluding collabs?
Man you completely dodge the VPN point. Did you not realise how you destroyed your own argument? Yeah this is just the same thing as above, it is believed they bot the more important streams

>Only graph" is referring to that graph out of the other ones I posted
Then you really have no point, catching more bots than usual proves fuck all. Fact is you've destroyed your best cope with VPNs and pointed out how only Luxiem consistently gets these on big streams where you'd want to peak high.

>>24456690
Explain

>>24456766
How long have you been sitting in this thread?

Toasting in an epic bread!

Look at these weird ass graphs.
Most talents won't get peak immediately. They will incline during the stream.
But look at vox. He gets instant peak then it drops off to less than half.
Sometimes it's this weird pattern showing the algorithm fighting bots by banning some bots as new bots flood in.
His graphs are totally weird and not natural at all. Something is very very wrong.

>>24456682
(this). There was no reasonable discourse to begin with.
>>24456701
All that the numbers thread is a confirmation bias circle jerk that's only purpose is to keep shitposts like OP's. When they leak onto the catalogue these they deserve to get thrashed.

>>24456858
>this graph looks weird
>must be alie- i mean bots

It's so weird. No one else gets graphs like this and certainly not every time.

>>24456904
>It can't be bots because... IT JUST CAN'T OKAY

>>24456701
>The question in the first place is, why only part of Luxiem when they aren't the only one with chinese fans/fans willing to bot?
see graph >>24456121

Smaller channel = less fans = less willing to pay. Now explain why vpns suddenly stopped having any effect.

>Because I'm looking through their stream g
Clicked a random stream. Early peak, crash down, lots of bumps. Not doing more research for a lying bug like you.

>>24456941
do you have any actual evidence of bots besides "chart looks weird"?

Feels good to be a nijiCHAD

>>24447380
Kek. Those trees don't look very happy tho.

>>24456985
I love how you keep trying to discount that, like charts looking weird is not indicative of fuckery

Big vtubers don't get charts like this. He gets charts like vtubers a third his size.

>>24456858
>>24456905
>>24456948
>>24456988
Cope. We already know /#/ buys bots to fake these graphs

>>24457038
and?

>>24457049
And it shows the bots are aiming for peak viewership numbers. Not actual watched ccv. Which is why it gets high during the beginning and drops off to half as the stream goes on as the algorithm bans bots.
He is botting.

>>24456817
not longer than you, chronically online poo

Uh oh guys, I don't like the look of this graph I found...

it's the holoturds from /#/ falseflagging

Why do you keep calling it bots when its obviously viewfarms? Don't waste your time with untalented garbage like Cuxiem

These threads are epic because it proves at least some people are actually so schizo and obsessed with Vox they're trying to collate all this data to prove something instead of just shitposting.

>>24457142
I can show you nearly every vox vid that is suspect. Show me 5 of Ames.
What dimwits like you don't understand that if it was once no one would care.
Every stream of his has weird botting patterns and that's what people are picking up on.

>>24457103
nice cope. you have no proof. all you have are charts that look weird and you're trying to use that as evidence of bots as if no other explination could possibly exist. because you've already made up your mind that they use bots, dispite having no evidence. so you latch on to the one thing that looks slightly iffy.

>>24457207
>He now admits that Hololive also is botting because he didn't refute the graph I found

>>24457207
> so, ame is botting too... BUT VOX!
kek

>>24457235
It's about frequency. 99 percent of his vids are suspect. Charts are evidence. They show clearly user movement and shows he is undoubtedly botting on nearly every stream he does.
Thats called evidence sweety.

>a contaiment thread for a containment thread within a containment board

Man you people are easy to bait

>>24457207
so, what is it then? are they both botting or are neither of them?

>>24445653
he's right though.

>>24457358
nijicope

>>24457313
it's evidence of nothing. weird chart =/= bots. no matter how many weird charts there are.

>>24457309
>one stream
>Vs all of vox's
Wow it's like I'm arguing with female teens or something.
Frequency is what's important. If vox had one stream where it was like this everyone could say it's connection or whatever.
You show me one ame stream like this.
Meanwhile I show you almost 10 vox streams like this.
Do you understand how evidence works sweety?

>>24456736
Which 8 are confirmed botted besides the Millie and the 43k one?

>Not true, we see plenty of worms. But regardless responding yes not every stream is botted, with well not every stream looks botted is not the win you think it is. If it were VPNs it would be consistent, if it were bots then they'd be unlikely to pay up for every little stream cause that costs a lot.
Both of the graphs in your image aren't even close to worms. The top literally drops down to 3k from 18k, during the first 10 minutes. You really think this is any closer to botting than Youtube verifying? Similarly to the second, he regains his numbers, which then look like a normal graph.

>Man you completely dodge the VPN point. Did you not realise how you destroyed your own argument? Yeah this is just the same thing as above, it is believed they bot the more important streams
But literally the point is that important streams weren't botted, and absolutely random streams are.

>Then you really have no point, catching more bots than usual proves fuck all. Fact is you've destroyed your best cope with VPNs and pointed out how only Luxiem consistently gets these on big streams where you'd want to peak high.
The point is that the first set of the graphs aren't, both including big streams and not big streams.

>>24457383
>it's not evidence becasue it just isn't okay?

>>24457340
Read you uneducated turd. >>24457388

>>24457388
Wait, for us to show you streams the streamers in question need to actually stream content. Unfortunately, Hololive EN vary rarely streams. For Hololive stream there's 10 Nijisanji streams, therefore the bar for proof is lower on Hololive's side.

>>24457388
what's important is actual proof. charts that look funny are not proof.

>>24457423
retard

>>24457388
So you admit that on that particular Ame stream she was using bots right?

>>24457407
you have failed to prove how the charts prove it's bots.

>>24457383
Not that guy but that is exactly how it works, if it keeps happening there has to be an underlying reason for it to keep happening.

>>24457504
no, his cope is that one werid chart could be anything and isn't proof of bots. but when there's more it's obviously bots and there couldn't possibly be any other explaination.

>>24457450
What? No it's not.
Are you amber herds lawyer or something?
Damn bitch you need to read a book sometime.
Meanwhile again, one stream isn't evidence. Multiple streams are evidence.
If I see an employee leave the drinks aisle of a store and a bottle is missing once that might not be suspect.
If he does it every day for a month and every time a bottle is missing, that is far more evidentially sound.
Do
You
Understand
Sweetums?
>>24457481
>duurr chart look funny
It's hilarious you're admitting to being so dumb as to not be able to read a chart.
>>24457504
No. One stream isn't suspicious. If vox only had one stream with weird chart graphs it wouldn't be suspicious either.
It's the frequency.
Dude what do they teach you in Hong Kong?

>>24457512
Something fucky is going on with luxiem's streams
It's not youtube's end, otherwise it would affect more than just their streams
It's not connection issues, otherwise the other charts in the op would look the same
It's not VPNs, because>>24445889
>>24445970
Ergo, it must be bots. Occam's razor

>>24457515
and also that underlying reason has to be bots because i said so.

>>24456963
>Clicked a random stream. Early peak, crash down, lots of bumps. Not doing more research for a lying bug like you.
https://vrabi.net/video/78ycLmjJCcY
https://vrabi.net/video/zshrxa-lQto
https://vrabi.net/video/TtboHmwkt_8

You really don't think streams don't peak early sometimes? It's far more likely for a stream to peak early if there's much less visibility to gain viewers throughout the stream, but are more than enough dedicated viewers early on.

>>24457555
you still haven't proven how a non-holo graph shape is bots

>>24457400
>Which 8 are confirmed botted
There is a picture of it somewhere but it shows a few times including Ike, and during ccvd where someone on global botted Ame to troll her.

>Both of the graphs in your image aren't even close to worms
They are, the second one especially. You're attempting to recontextualise it as only the mario party extreme counts. You dodge the VPN question.

>But literally the point is that important streams weren't botted
No they were, you're just trying to say they didn't look like the Himalayas so it wasn't worming. Hey how come VPNs didn't crash for their most important streams? The youtube bug take a day off? Your argument invalidates all your copes.

>>24457567
>there are only 3 reasons for charts to look different

>>24457555
Too bad we only get one Hololive Stream per month. If an employee is only around once per week according to your logic it'd be hard to prove that they are stealing.

>>24457601
yes

I just love how the goalposts have been moved so far at this point that the original OP post is completely irrelevant due to being on Mysta's channel lmao

>>24457586
I've shown the graphs are not like any other graphs for people his size.
His graphs are strange. With sometimes over half the viewers leaving in the first half of the stream. That doesn't normally happen.
The other pattern is viewers quickly leaving and joining in 10 minute intervals which might not be weird on its own but it's sometimes a thousand viewers joining and leaving over and over again every 5 to 10 minutes indicating bans and rejoins from bots.
Or how almost all his stream viewers aim for high peak ccv then instantly drop off at far higher rates than any other vtuber of his size.
It's extremely suspicious.
>>24457613
Youre kinda seething sweety.

>>24457660
nijiniggers and their deflection

>>24456044
>"Nijinigger"
>Crying about personal insults
Feels good to know holofags are thin skinned, no wonder they get butthurt so much. I guess since your girls don't stream you need an outlet.

>>24457672
eh, I'll just make the thread again once this thread gets archived. Their attempts at damage control is cute but it's not really done anything other than waste their time

holobronies literally throwing a tantrum because people won't fall in line with their schizo samethink lmoa

>>24457568
Look if you have a more sound explanation I'm all ears, I don't care about the end result of this argument but I do care about having the evidence to back said argument up

>>24457712
>admitting to spamming the catolouge

Imagine watching males lmao. Stop being a massive faggot

>>24457712
Based. Remember to include how vox is a literal child molester.

>>24457671
You're one seething here. When you've compared every Hololive stream to Lexium's you'll find a similar result in the datasets, I have found.

>>24454215
Sara Nagare from PRISM got botted to 41k,got attention from /#/, polled during the stream and than 10% voted, then when she ended her stream she tested out the raid system by raiding another PRISM vtuber and only 300 the views only jumped by 300+

>>24457580
I want an answer, explain why vpns suddenly stopped having as significant effect in some streams. With a tendency to mess up in bigger streams with more popular niji males. The cost of bots explains this, less important stream with less popular streamer = fewer bought. But their fans don't stop being less Chinese, and they have fuck all hold outside.

>You really don't think streams don't peak early sometimes
It is less common and two of your examples were apex where people tend to jump around or tune in for certain sections. But it is also that combined with the rest, Mori's stream stabilises in the middle till the end. It is not weird to gain/maintain through a stream, in fact that is normal for everyone else.

>>24457782
Similar? I've never seen graphs similar to vox's. Show me what you've found that similar to this.

>>24457756
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it spam

Success breeds jealousy... and seethe

Random passerby with no stakes here.. So do we have more data to backup how graphs appear when they are botted? Do they all appear like the southwest Arizona landscape the way the bottom right looks? Just spikes and dips at irregular intervals?
Do we have a separate source of other streamers who share similar visuals?

>all of vox graphs behave this weird way
>b-but i found 1 out of 100 ame streams that had some crashes because of dcs!
Jesus Christ, there is a literal retarded chink in this very thread

>>24457953
it's /#/ seething because it's a thinly veiled anti thread

>>24457597
>There is a picture of it somewhere but it shows a few times including Ike, and during ccvd where someone on global botted Ame to troll her.
Which ones of Ike's were confirmed botted? Not "it worms a lot", as in an anon straight up saying they're going to bot, then seeing the number shoot up a ton. Put up the vrabi of Ame's botted streams.

>They are, the second one especially. You're attempting to recontextualise it as only the mario party extreme counts. You dodge the VPN question.
Because the mario party one literally drops nearly half it's viewers in the middle of the stream for no on-stream reason. Like I said, the non-extreme ones you can easily compare to the other graphs I posted. The VPN question is irrelevant because I'm not claiming that it's VPN's.

>No they were, you're just trying to say they didn't look like the Himalayas so it wasn't worming.
Same point as above.

>Hey how come VPNs didn't crash for their most important streams? The youtube bug take a day off? Your argument invalidates all your copes.
Like I said, I'm not the one claiming any other explanation. It's on you to show why it's specifically bots. It could be bots, but you haven't given any reasons why it's any more likely to be bots.

>>24457916
you're right. it being spam makes it spam. why don't you just stay in your containment thread?

>>24458005
Not a containment thread, seethe about it

>>24453128
>Anyone has that old image of /vyt/ back in /jp/ were a janny deleted the OP image just because it was Okayu and Korone?
I can think of a few reasons why it was deleted outside of the victim narrative but it requires being able to relate to the state of /jp/ vtuber threads prior to 2019 which excludes everybody that uses or refers to that image. Also that same image was posted later in the thread without issue so it's not it being a Hololive image was ever the main problem.

>>24457730
The only ones throwing tantrums are the fujoshits that have been found out. No one with 2 braincells can't see the view Notting bullshit that's going on, its no different than twitters phantom influence.

>>24457837
https://vrabi.net/video/E8VqyJYCTtc
https://vrabi.net/video/1R9tX_Rv2_A
https://vrabi.net/video/FaNf9gh3kn8
https://vrabi.net/video/wUTkzBnZsxc
https://vrabi.net/video/e0sc3ydbHUw
https://vrabi.net/video/BoYQFGMh7Rc

>>24454932
>During the worst period that was CCVID, where Pekora had a chat and interaction of a stream that could reach easily 140k during the kino metronome tournament, but barely scratched 59k due to the pajeets fucking everything up like they always do in December
Holy mother of retard.

>>24445462
Thread reaks of Holo /#/s cope. At worse some autistic chinks or autistic neck beards are botting dudes whose only crime was being the exact thing holofags want, but the wrong gender.

>>24456963
https://vrabi.net/video/XHLP1LxJBPM
https://vrabi.net/video/ZC54FGrBqEc
https://vrabi.net/video/X9iDY7MC8EM
https://vrabi.net/video/EKbtlAnK7WA

>>24457986
I get that and I'm not really interested in the tribalfagottry. I just want to know if similar patterns exist in other streamers that are highly suspected or confirmed to be botted.
Do all botted viewership graphs look like this?
Are there other ways in which we can detect botted streams?
Can the graphs be explained in any other way besides them being botted?

>>24457979
Worse. Fujoshit red and yellow chinks and of course a dash of faggots

>>24458213
>Do all botted viewership graphs look like this?
no, streams we know to be botted have much sharper inclines and declines
>Are there other ways in which we can detect botted streams?
not that i know of
>Can the graphs be explained in any other way besides them being botted?
yes. for the particular mario party stream this thread is about, we know there were lots of buffering issues. the OP image claims that this doesn't count as an explanation due to them being in the same hotel, and others claiming that streams with connection issues will show drops to 0 viewers on a graph. but there are 2 different airbnbs in the offcollab currently going on, streaming being done on different accounts from different devices, and ofc during different times so it could be their internet fluctuating in quality. as for graphs looking different to streams with connection issues, the stream never actually died , only buffered, so i don't think you would see such drastic drops in viewcount. There's a huge number of variables, accusing streams of being botted and ignoring all of the other options that are in plain sight is a plain leap of logic

shizo general

>>24457813
>I want an answer, explain why vpns suddenly stopped having as significant effect in some streams. With a tendency to mess up in bigger streams with more popular niji males. The cost of bots explains this, less important stream with less popular streamer = fewer bought. But their fans don't stop being less Chinese, and they have fuck all hold outside.
Maybe vpns never had an effect? Maybe Youtube changed how they treat certain vpns again? Maybe they still do have an effect and people guessing vpns were just speculating in the first place? You're literally asking me questions to answers I've already said no one besides specific Youtube employees are going to know.

And yet your second point still doesn't make sense. You're trying to make the argument that the reason they're popular is because of bots. Without these bots, they wouldn't be popular. Same as anyone in Noctyx. It literally takes 1 person to bot and they're cheap as heck as already proven by the previous confirmed botted streams.

>It is less common and two of your examples were apex where people tend to jump around or tune in for certain sections. But it is also that combined with the rest, Mori's stream stabilises in the middle till the end. It is not weird to gain/maintain through a stream, in fact that is normal for everyone else.
Less common, because it's been 2 years of Holo already. Look at HoloX's early streams. NijiEN is literally gaining the most subs per day out of NijiHolo.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/iiAf_UiEpEU
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/g-jKInHCMfk
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/tyNvojO4dAo
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/0Tz4NX-TfDU
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/uLmYnmkU3ck

Niji also doesn't have the same Youtube visibility and churn that Holo as. The latter gets far more vod views at the end, and has a much larger amount of subs in general. When more people can discover your stream through browsing, you're far more likely to gain viewers over the course of the stream.

>>24458576
>quoting a paragraph explaining Mori's graph
>nigga talking about fucking subs and subs growth
are you fucking retarded?

>>24458690
>Mori's stream stabilises in the middle till the end. It is not weird to gain/maintain through a stream, in fact that is normal for everyone else.

>>24458566
Thanks and I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

>Make containment thread for SEAnigger numbertards
>Quickly becomes a thinly veiled holobrony tribal thread/Niji anti thread
>They constantly break containment and shit up the catalogue anyway
mods seriously need to just ban /#/

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