/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24308480
Who's that? I only watch Hololive.

>>24308480
>holofag talking like he knows shit about Kizuna Ai
Eh

>>24308480
Who even is that?

Luxiem is next

>>24308480
Maybe it had something to do with running out of skit ideas in like 2020

>>24308480
Have you heard of the clone saga?

And no it has nothing to do with China this time.
Psychopatic suits destroyed everything when they tried to remove Nozomi and replace her with cheap VAs.

>>24308480
>Newfag finds out what happened to upd8 from some youtube video from some fag who used information from reddit that's barely correct: the thread
It wasn't even about pandering to China, never trust Chink investors.

>>24308883
Those suits were Chinese.

That guy is really pathetic.

>>24308480
Isn't there other factors to her own downfall like you know, the multiple voice actors playing her, the Chinese yab is just a cherry on top with how passionate her chink fanbase

say that again in 30 years when they rule the world

>Newfag EOP video essays on vtubers
I found something worse than this board

>>24308480
>>24308566
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>>24308883
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>>24309044

Wasn't another factor just not adapting soon enough to how vtubing was shifting to livestreaming and collabs?

>>24309044
>China
>rule the world
Two more decades, right?

>>24309044
Isn't Xi trying to kill everyone in Shanghai right now?

we will prove you wrong

>>24309703
oh man... you are going to fall so hard

Selling out to NA has been more detrimental to vtubing than selling out to china.
fuck your western vtubers

>>24308566
Respect your elders,kid.

ITS ALMOST LIKE SELLING YOUR COMPANY TO CHINKS AND LETTING THE OG VOICE ACTOR BE REPLACED BY A PAIR OF RETARD SLUTS IS A BAD IDEA. NTFS WERE ALSO A PRETTY FUCKING BAD IDEA TOO.

WHATS EVEN MORE FUCKED THOUGH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO LUNA, BUT LEAST SHE REINCARNATED.

>>24310172
The pre Live2D era...

>>24311003
The rrat about being remplaced were true then? I remember the video with AI sperging out saying that she didn't got remplaced.
Also what makes the new voice actors sluts?

>>24311656
>rrat

>>24308566
she is the reason why holo exist

>>24308883
I mean kizuna is a fictional identity made by the company, is not based only of the va character, so they just put a new one (and I think there are like 3 different kizuna va's), but it really didn't work so well since the fans wanted the old va back

>>24310172
>2016/2017
>elders
i've been on this site regularly since 2006. First time was 2005. They're all newfags to me.

>>24312342
Talking about vtubers not users on 4chan.....come on now.

>>24312342
embarassing....

>>24312342
damn, my first time in this site was when anons cummed to chloe grace moretz and formerly ellen page, it's been so long now, but this>>24312590 they are the elders of vtubing

>open video
>SEAnig voice
>close video
don't shill your own worthless shit here

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>>24308480
Not gonna watch but if he doesn't give the clone saga and pre recorded content running its course a large amount of credit as well then he's retarded. The clone shit was sad but is ultimately probably one of the most influential points in vtubing history. It showed all the other groups that you can't just replace the roommates and treat them as VAs. You just know if corpos could get away with recycling models they'd do it.

>>24309703
Are rainbows even legal in China? I would think they would censor them

>>24308480
I can't unhear his flipnigger voice

>>24308883
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>>24313384
Retarded nigger. Ai fall because retard in internet confused Gamebu scandal with Ai's upd8. It's true Upd8 did clone Ai. But they never tried to replace her. The Ai clones was intended for Chink market only. But Chink hate them. Then we have retard who confused Gamebu with Upd8 and thought Ai was replaced by clones. And the whole Vtubers scene died because of that. Only was salvaged by Mito and Nijisanji. It's narrative and gossip that killed Ai. Not Upd8 or chinks. But upd8 is still a literal black company.

>>24308480
>SEAvoice
>posts Kiara's roommate in his community tab
Stop posting your shit content here, shill

>>24312170
The avatar is nothing more than clothes for the VA...
Trying to replace the VA is the same as saying to the world the VA and human beings are worthless and equivalent to replaceable machine parts.
Not a good message to send out to your viewers when you make them worry about the VA they spent years to watch.

This idea can only come out from the head of an emotionless psychopath.

Bad memories are close to impossible to remove and are 100 times stronger than good memories.
They created a bad memory associated for eternity with her because each time her viewers would watch her they would be reminded of this similar to a traumatic event.
The result is they would avoid her and watch someone else.

>>24312342
And you're still a 2020~2021 newfag when it comes to vtubers.

>>24314466
That's not true.
The suits wanted more power over Kizuna Ai and tried to replace her with the excuse it was just to help.
Actions speak louder than words.

Had this worked out the result would have been that she would have been fired.
This was the real goal behind those actions.

The reason upd8 did the same thing is because they too have psychopathic suits who view human beings as replaceable machine parts.

What made it even worse is that they did this after being shown that it was a very bad thing to do.

>>24308480
But the Chink pandering wasn't the problem, it was the stupid fucks at the company thinking they could just change the person behind the avatar and nobody would notice/care. I feel bad for the replacements they got for her, because they did absolutely nothing wrong but take a good offer and they got a lot of shit for it.

>>24313505
yeah i even thought faggots like OP are banned in china

>>24310172
Sora is there bro

>SEAnigger voice
>Newfag EOP video essays
I hope you and him die from terrible deaths

>>24308480
hey cuties

>>24308566
it's going well for everyone outside the holobubble. Always has been since the 2000s. Holofags even tried to numberfag when interacting with companies like marvel that heavily pandered to china. Don't even bother denying that they want a piece of the pie

>>24324003
Exactly this, it hurts to listen an ESL vomiting so much newfaggotry.

>>24308480
More like corporations eventually ruin everything they touch. It's more of a global issue at this point than a Chinese one.

>>24325493
is that copypasta?

>>24310172
>who
>who
>who
>who
>who
>Oh it's Ai-chan
>who
>who
>who
>who
>The most irrelevant holo
>who

>>24309703
a few of the mass-produced "not NIJISANJI" VirtuaReal livers are really great vtubers but the biggest current one (Nana7me) is 760k after 3 years and the platform pushing them hardcore, Aqua's bilibili still has 830k after the wolf warrior retard exodus and it hasn't uploaded since 2020, none of them scrape the level of adoration among Chinese that Hololive was building up to (against Bilibili's wishes)
the average VirtuaReal follower count is between 10k and 50k

Bilibili as a platform compared to Youtube is kind of a dead-end, most of the foreign interest is based on their hilariously inflated and in some cases outright fabricated install/userbase numbers, even Youtube Gaming has a faster adoption rate internationally than Bilibili has in China domestically - the benefit for Hololive was the large number of Chinese/Japanese bilinguals actively translating, not CN as some sole provider. Once the double-dipping was no longer an option they cut the correct weakest link. Still, Hololive was bigger in China than NijiCN is today, and it will remain that way for at least another year, even though Hololive cut operations there...

I also guarantee that most people hyping up Nijisanji's activities in China never actually watched one, so check out 99Tsukumo, her English is cute and she needs more support, and Uka, he has autism (his entire gen does honestly)

>>24326566
>Oh it's Ai-chan
>who
>who
not knowing NojaLoli is probably fine since her channel died so long ago and Siro slid into being an Apextuber but these other two are pretty egregious
Kaguya Luna was the one who dragged vtubing kicking and screaming towards the land of idols, Sora's slide towards original music was conceived in the wake of Kaguya Luna making it on TV with her original music.
Mirai Akari is the one who started experimenting with more "casual" vtubing and even early streams, she also pushed forward the ideas of vtubers collaborating as a primary draw for a stream where Kizuna was initially very solitary, forming some of the first vtuber networks
ironically Mirai never moved to being a full livestream channel, even though she was the one who proved the value
both are incredibly important to what exists now

It's always baffling to me that people choose to believe completely baseless rumors.
AI-chan's company never had neither a reason or the means to replace her. She was booked all the way to October when they got her helpers and no-one could realistically perform at her level just jumping in.

Hell, right after she got help with the output she went on a training camp for Summer Sonic so she could kill it on stage like she did.

>>24308480
I really hope my oshi graduates in her full glory before someone can make a clickbait video about her with a title like ''the rise and fall of''

>>24308480
I didn't watch the video, but is that really the hill this guy chose to let his video die on?

>>24310172
>Fujisaki YUA didn't make it
:(
fuck Siro

>>24308480
Luxiem has been dominating the EN VTuber scene and poses a fair challenge to HoloEN, so no?

>>24308480
this, unless you want to suck chink's dick non-stop, expect to get blasted when you hurt the majority feeling even a little

>>24333029
isnt this what the eng holo fanbase is doing to every non-holo vtuber

>>24312342
True

>>24308566
BASED

>>24308480
The stupid thing about that video is that it misses the real reason why she stagnated. Sure she got a bunch of different girls on her channel. But she would of survived it if they only did ONE THING.

>Have their videos/clips subtitled in English.

That's it, the reason she had WORLDWIDE appeal is because she had English subtitles. You could share Ai's clips/vids with your friends. Then when Hololive took off, the fansubbers stopped. Eventually you couldn't add subs to other's videos and those fansubbers just became hololive clippers. The company behind Ai with all their stupid moves just didn't subtitle her videos and watched that WORLDWIDE growth just stop. I don't get why people always seem to miss this critical point. This is the MAIN reason people talk about jp hololive, because of translated clips.

>>24334539
YouTube killing fansubbing is indeed an important factor that people never bring up because their opinion isn't actually their own, they just repeat what they were told to think.

Another factor that no-one brings up is that AI-chan at the time was doing a whole lot outside of YouTube, including her TV show that never delayed an episode.

>>24310172
>no orange
>no Space Ghost
>no Steve Bonelli

>>24332948
So long as he has chinese fujos on his side according to rumors

>>24325493
I remember some Holowhores trying to pretend that Pokimane was small compared with the average Holo, even though she has been in Hollywood movies

>>24327503
It would make sense for EN talents to become popular in China since there is probably legit interest in learning English over there.

>>24332948
I have seen people here say that Gura is also very popular in China.

>>24336479
in this case it was JP talents, Chinese are enormous weebs like the West, English vtubers do pretty poorly on bilibili for fundamental reasons

>>24336576
she doesn't have any popular clippers and isn't on the caliber HoloJP was, but Gura-related animations explode by bilibili standards pretty regularly