/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24245164
Imagine caring about any of them besides Pekora

>>24245164
Imagine caring about any of them besides Marine

>>24245164
The concert literally put a curse on them all

>>24245164
Imagine being a doomposter in current year

>>24245164
Imagine caring about any of them besides Flare

>>24245164
Imagine caring about any of them besides Flare

>>24245256
>>24245257
Mom always said never trust a nigger lover

>>24245164
Imagine caring about Noel

>>24245164
Reclining doesn't mean what you think it means retard

>>24245164
Flare never really cared about the rest of gen 3 besides her fucktoy Noel anyway, she has Shiraken as her real friends.

>>24245589
> not include Bakatare.
Really? Nigger?

>>24245256
>>24245257
Why would I want to imagine anything but the cutest elf and caring about her a lot.

Genuine question whos the elf and knight?

>>24245164
Imagine caring about any of them besides Noel

>>24245164
Imagine caring about any of them besides Michael

Flare and Noel are doing fine
Rushia and Marine just got karma for being awful people
Pekora is the worry, hopefully she will be alright
Sankisei was always just Pekora, Noel and Flare anyway. Rushia was a crazy bitch and Marine is a massive bitch who they all hate.

>>24245164
good bye

>>24245860
>Marine just got karma for being awful people
Die schizo

>>24245164
remember when people said they were the best gen?

>>24245860
What did she do?

>>24245164
"Japanese" "depression" "suicidal"

>Streams a lot
>Doesn’t disappear for weeks every couple of months
>Plays whatever game she enjoys playing
>Plays with people she enjoys playing with
>Drops forced fake voice because it’s not her
>Drops forced “cool character” image and outfit because it’s not her
>Continues to be based and actually have fun streaming
>Is consistently one of the most watched in hololive
When will the other holo’s learn from Flare?

>>24245164
Recently Hololive has not been in a good condition.
Ayame Shion Marine were out for long. Suisei and Pekora taking a break due to throat issues.
Miko clearing throats in wwe stream, stated to end stream earlier due to aching throat.

>>24246297
Suisei is not taking a break for throat issues, it's just a break

>>24246132
I mean they were, until the concert that is

>>24246290
>When will the other holo’s learn from Flare?
Koyori: pardun?

>>24246326
https://youtu.be/NaUH5DV_cpU?t=22

Taking break for body, while throat busted.

>>24245164
Did the gen2 thread not get enough (you)'s or just copying the format?

>>24245164
A funny thing is, these bitches always told fans not to be worrywart ojisan, they can handle things themselves.
Also proceed to fuck up their throats up one by one.
I'm not angry, just wanna give them "correction".

Kek, all JP gen except for Gokisei and Rokusei already suffering from Burnouts.
Rokusei still have plenty of energy fuel all year. but Gokisei would soon follow the other gen trend of tiredness by the end of this year

And that's a good thing. Let others take the spotlight and replace them.

>>24246426
Tbf, this happen to all holomem regardless of their gen. They should just take a break a week or two to avoid further complications on their throat.

>>24246472
Unfortunately half of 5th and 6th gen are not that good. (imo)
The good ones in Holo are battle worn. Even the endurance god Korone has fucked up her health not long ago.

>>24245860
Marineschizo? is that you?

>>24246515
Yeah, almost all of HoloJP ace streamers already tumble one by one. I miss Koro endurance stream on retro games....

>>24246515
What do you mean half of 5h gen are ont that good? All 4 of them are great, specially Nene and Polka

>>24245860
>Marine just got karma for being awful people
I would like to see someone explains why Marine is a awful person.
I think even Niji tribalfag has hard time to explain this.

>>24246580
>schizo
When will you fuckers learn?
Everything I have ever said about Marine eventually turns out to be true. Remember when you told me Marine's throat would be fine after a month? You were wrong and I was right that it would be fucked up forever.

Nowdays the number of good holomember from JP sure have declined. Aside from Fubuki, Watame, Nene, Polka and Korone, the others don't give me much motivation to watch

>>24246470
Deepthroating is the correction they need.

>>24245164
I'll fuck up their throats if you know what I mean.

We need to adress who Flare's face is wider in relation to its size that it's normal for other Holo girls.

It makes her look weird.

We need to adress how Flare's face is wider in relation to its size that it's normal for other Holo girls.

It makes her look weird.

>>24245860
flare's a nigger so she's automatically untrustworthy

>>24246610
She played Mario RPG for 7 hours straight two days in a row last week. Do you really need longer streams than that?

>>24246618
Botan is good in multiple magnitudes.
Lamy gets good SC, and people praised her Eldren Ring run was funny.
Polka, I like her, but seems not doing good numbers (not sure). Not numberfagging but judging her ability to help the company.
Nene, I like her, gets good SC but suffers some views and reputation damage due to tracing incident.

I think, if top contributing Holos went out, in 5th gen only Botan and Lamy can keep things interesting for Hololive brand. (just guessing)

>>24246337
Koyorin is a good kouhai.

>>24246472
its rokukisei not rokusei you dumb fuck. if you wanna use terms at least use them right. in fact, they don't even use kisei for the 6th gen, they use holox

>>24245164
Gen 3 is still one of the strongest gens in Hololive.

But if you're looking for alternatives, might I suggest the other strongest gen? Generation 5 is ultra based and redpilled.

>muh health
lel
They are just millionaires tired of the monotonous routine of appealing to losers.
Now that they have cashed in they are looking for other prospects

>Remember when you told me Marine's throat would be fine after a month?
Different anon here, also not replying to you

I never imagined Marine would be out for so long.
I also think her throat pain should been minimal at beginning, then increased gradually, as her throat worsened.

> Marine must have been enduring throat pain while streaming for quite a while, until the point she cannot endure it anymore.

It might be unwise but earned my fucking respect.
Can you anons play games with broken fingers until you couldn't do it anymore?

>>24245860
Marineschizo? I think you're at the wrong place
This is not jaypee

>>24247147
>polka being the only good one in gen5

>>24247643
An untrue statement, even if polka is the best.

>>24245194
Pekora and Canan, of course

>>24247643
Polka is very cool in Miko's wwe stream.

>>24247099
anon, it's rokkisei...

>>24247147
they are only strong alone. any nepolabo collab ended in chaos. polka only showing up for the last 30mins or them impossible to connect all 4 in terraria/clubhouse games. remember their minecraft hardcore run? or their diablo collab? no? right because they only talked about it but it never happend.

>>24245164
>fucked up throat
Why don't the others go the way of suisei and axe the moe voice?

>>24247264
Cope. Marine is an unlikable bitch with a fucked up throat.

>>24245164
well, Gen 6 was meant to be their successors.

>>24245248
And it wasn't even that good of one either...

>>24246333
Don't follow JP much anymore, which concert was ir?

>>24245860
Only thing I would say that is slightly negative about Flare is that her subscriber growth is stagnating. She definitely isn't reclining but her growth these past few months is slower than Choco, Luna, Mel and AkiRose. Only Roboco is growing slower than she is.

Let me repeat that for you; Choco, Luna, Mel and AkiRose are growing faster than Flare over the last 90 days.

>>24251017
I think he is referring to that Fun Fantasy Island thing from last year; going in people were expecting the Gen3 equivalent of Gen1's From1st and instead they got a few live song performances with over 75% of it being pre-recorded comedy skits.

>>24251077
Choco and Luna are growing thanks to proxy. Subaru. Choco was the one who had an important announcement stream. She just read the guidelines of her stream and then ended the stream. Fuck that bitch.

>>24250134
doing anything except your natural voice for hours a day is going to fuck it up. I expect Kiara is going to have a fucked up throat soon too from that chicken voice she always does.

>>24246901
>Not numberfagging but judging her ability to help the company.
If that is what you are judging from, Polka should be at the top of your list. She does more hololive crossover/collab events than probably the rest of her gen combined. She's done OPs for VNs, voice acted for video games, MCd for several sponsored events, is in a ton of sponsored streams and collab deals, all as Omaru Polka of Hololive.

>>24245510
How new?

>>24246290
too bad she's just not that entertaining.

>>24246290
>When will the other holo’s learn from Flare?
When the Japanese accept dark skinned chubbas /people in general and I don't see that any time soon.

>>24254591
>When the Japanese accept dark skinned chubbas /people in general and I don't see that any time soon.
But it seemed even Sana is not well received by EN market, after Council debut and BEFORE Sana took long break, Sana has the lowest subscribers. /vt/ also think dark skinned chuuba is a debuff.

>>24246290
Still not using her true natural voice though.

>>24254823
Dark Skinned Chuuba is a debuff in any region. Then again perhaps all the forced 'diversity' shoved down our throats post 2014 only made the situation worse for every race, creed, orientation and gender.

>>24254861
How do you know?

>>24255033
>Dark Skinned Chuuba is a debuff in any region.
Even in African countries?

>>24255216
Well I dunno what's the situation in South Africa so your mileage may vary.

>>24255106
Listen to people's voices, not just to what they say.

>>24255749
If Flare has shown multiple voices before, how do you tell or make sure which one is her natural voice?

>>24256118
The fullest and clearest one. When people go outside of their range their voice starts losing its power and becomes distorted. Vocal fry, nasal / thin voice, dipping into falsetto etc. Obviously no one speaks in a static tone but their normal speaking range is built around the most natural range because it's the most effortless for producing sound. Streamers who are always performing might never actually speak in their natural voice on camera but you can immediatly tell when they are NOT in their ideal range.

>>24256985
Sounds like guessing to me, might be doable for trained ears or other people though.
Any Flare fan has timestamp for Flare's natural voice?

>>24255216
There is no race that hate blacks more than blacks.

>>24246628
Don't bother. They been trying to explain why for like the past 3 years or so
Get BTFO every time

>>24257850
Another thing I forgot to mention is that even the natural range will sound different day to day depending on the speaker's condition, and there are people who just can't project their voice at all because they don't use it often enough, which makes it harder to tell what their natural range or even natural quality sounds like.

>>24258385
I'm genuinely interested to see if someone can defame Marine with solid statements, because Marine is the one of the most uncontroversial Holos. I can't even think of something to attack her, even if I try.
(BL incident, Kei Mizuryu incident etc has nothing to with Marine in my eyes)

>>24245194
why are nousagis like this? Marine is literally more relevant nowadays and will hit 2M subs sooner than Pekora

>>24246179
Who?

>>24257850
Flare dips in and out of her new “fake” voice pretty consistently, it’s just so close to her normal voice that it’s hard to notice.
Go to any of her superchat reading streams and listen to the difference between her just talking with chat, and her reading messages or thanking people where her voice is a little higher and more “cute”

>>24246290
>Is consistently one of the most watched in hololive
[citation needed]

Pekora needs that time off, she streamed a lot last year. Take it easy bun bun.

>>24260760
different anon here
CCV wise should be middle tier? I dunno
where is the stupid numberfagging long image
ok here you go
average CCV nearly 7k, not sure what is the placing though

>>24249471

>>24260760
Flare is pretty consistently in the top 10 for watchtime
t. numberfag

>>24249667
Kek, just call it Holox or "Holoks" like Omega did.

>>24260960
>Pekora needs that time off, she streamed a lot last year.

>last year

EVERY.

>>24261300
sure, but if you're going to correct somebody at least get it right yourself

>>24246290
if only the she would accept that brown is good

>>24261245
This chart looks kinda basic
If true, this seriously surprised me. Never imagined this.
Flare was always criticized for low subscriber and CCV, but praised for high SC.

>>24250917
I only see Chloe already replaced Rushia and maybe Koyori big contender for CCV. I don't know but only Iroha seems pretty weak ones. I never watch laplus and Lui outside collab, so I don't know about them.

>>24261507
Flare gets criticized for low subs but not really for low ccv. She has a higher average ccv than the majority of EN members.
Flare just streams consistently to a decent number of viewers, similar to Watame. She also probably has the least “dead subs” out of anyone in hololive but I can’t be bothered to crunch the numbers on that

>>24261525
Quite a few people speculate no way in hell Koyori can maintain her streaming frequency without damaging her throat, it's a matter of time.

>>24261245
Flare dipped hard and top 10 isn't an achievement with senpais like Matsuri and Roboco. I also doubt your graph. In what world is Watame and Subaru at the same level?

>>24261245
Can you explain how this chart could possibly be true?

>>24262178
different anon here
>>24249471
looking at here, their "hours watched" doesn't have a huge difference
Subaru 3.6m
Watame 2.8m

As a reminder, Subaru also experienced insane incline during past few months. So nothing really seems suspicious, I think.

>>24261851
She did. did. Omaru collabs were fun in the beginning but in the end it was a debuff. She isn't playing 7 hours minecraft anymore while reading and answering the chat she is just chatting with a friend while ignoring the chat.

>>24262317
You can go to any numberfag site and crunch the numbers yourself if you want. Here’s the data for all of 2021. It’s older but looks prettier if that helps convince you over a bar chart

>>24261876
Koyori's gonna implode but she should have the hindsight to implode early and save her voice.

>>24262317
Also it’s important to know the difference between views and minutes watched. Flare isn’t even in the top 20 in terms of YouTube views

>>24246901
Spoken like a true bandwagoner

>>24245227
Imagine caring about any of them besides Mike.

>>24263226
Jesus christ Aruran.

>>24263341
Never knew papa is a madman, too bad his subs count is not high among Stars, always find him funny and talented.

>>24263226
Yea, Flare CCV is relatively lower than others, but she streamed a lot of hours, so her "hours watched" is within top 10, quite amazingly I must say.

>>24263661
He's not really the type to find his natural audience in holostars.

>>24262178
The answer is that hours-watched is a deceptive metric. Watame can farm watched hours by spending hours upon hours reading superchats to the same few thousand people every day at an ultra-low speed and get on the same level of holo aces like Subaru, while still having a much narrower audience.

>>24263805
>Step 1: Stream consistently
>Step 2: Have a decent number of people watching
>Step 3: ?????
>Step 4: Become one of the most watched and most superchatted holo
It’s really that easy

>>24264338
Thanks.
Will try that later.

>>24264274
What does hours-watched really measure?

If chuuba A has high hours-watched, and chuuba B has low hours-watched, what can you say about them? What is the difference between them?

>>24263661
From some clips i saw he is pretty okey. He has the holobros debuff but i like him more than Roberu WHO CAN ONLY TALK LOUDLY BECAUSE THATS FUNNY

>>24265270
A high hours-watched value tells you that either the streamer streams a lot, or it has a huge audience, or both. You need more data to say anything more precise.

>>24265270
The power of a "streamers"
It is calculated using ccv and hours streaming, aka the only number relevant to a streamer, at least on theory. Streamers in general only chase those 2 numbers and ignore everything else, and there's the fact that no one beside streamers care about it

>>24265270
Not them, but view time is a requirement for several YT creator milestones and also means that more people are 1) engaging with the person and 2) viewing more ads
On a personal basis, it obviously means nothing, but from the viewpoint of corporate overlords it means more money. But when you account for merchandise, super chats and also their business relations and networking activities outside streams, it all gets messy so it's impossible to actually make any real assumptions.

this is how the nousagis cope with the fact that marine is more popular and useful than pekora and that she will reach 2m before her?

>>24265781
Who is this "nousagi" in your head? What did he tell you?

>>24249707
>cherry picks collabs from the first couple months
In other words you don't watch them. Their collabs are chaotic, sure, but they are typically incredibly fun, rarely scuffed, and full of humor. And that's not even getting into non-collab stuff like their matching outfits/hairstyles, group songs, etc.

>>24250134
Cuz JP fans love the moe voice and are prone to bash those whose voices stand out as not.

>>24245164
dont have anything to say about flare or noel and you spout whatever first thing that came to mind retard

>>24260534
she's only "relevant" thanks to coomer pandering

>>24265270
Hours watched means nothing by itself, but if there's a point of reference then being at the top of hours watched becomes extremely fucking relevant. You can't be at the top of hours watched and not be popular, even if you're content spamming. Crying about it is pure cope.

>>24265932
Why is mori so popular with JPs then? She uses her normal voice which is deeper than average too and actively hates using a "moe" voice.

>>24265270
it measures nothing. high-CCV, VOD views, viral clips this is what Susan cares about more.

>>24266185
Taking >>24261245 as an example, it's true that Pekora's place says everything you need to know about how big she is, but taking the Watame vs Subaru example, it's also pretty obvious that you can't look at the whole chart as if it were a popularity ranking either.

>>24266411
Foreigners are like a different species to nips. They don't judge them by the same standards.

>>24245256
Literally the best of the bunch.
No hate to Marine though, I hope she gets better too.

>>24265866
I didn't even mention lamys "WAWAWAWA" and nenes "NENENENENE" which made their first couple of collabs unbearable. Lamy still does her wawawa but much less. Go ahead and tell me how amazing polka was in the gang beats collab. she choked hard, she had no chance to shine and lamy was always louder and took the spotshine from the fucking clown.

>>24265581
It's true. One was talking about while it's nice that 1k or more people dropped in, they only did so for the finals of a tourney and only stayed around for five minutes. They'd rather have 250 viewers that watch ALL stream than spikes that vanish quickly.

>>24266723
forgot the picture

>>24266438
Subaru only recently inclined into the heavyweights, and the chart reflects that. There are outliers like Suisei whose total activity is not reflected by the metric but overall the rankings do actually reflect popularity (and relevance) fairly well. You have to step back and think about long term. There are some holos who only recently debuted, and in time they might catch up with Watame thanks to superior viewership making up for the hours streamed difference, but that is ONLY if they maintain their popularity or improve it. Watame wouldn't be that high if her viewership was absolutely awful, no amount of hours would make up for it.

>>24266723
>Go ahead and tell me how amazing polka was in the gang beats collab. she choked hard
Ah yes, judging the self-professed non-gamer on her gaming skills. Since when does someone have to be good to have fun?

>she had no chance to shine and lamy was always louder and took the spotshine from the fucking clown.
Are you aware of who you are talking about here? This is the chuuba who played backup at her own birthday live. She thrives on helping others shine.

If you wanna see Polka shine, go watch their ARK or Minecraft collabs, where she pre-preps entire adventures for gen. Or you can go watch Raft/Bomberman to see Botan shine, or MoHun for Lamy, GodField for Nene, etc.

NePoLaBo don't pick "safe" games they are all good at, they individually pick games they like and ask the others to play with them. It's what makes them chaotic, but it's what makes them fun and funny and interesting. But hey, if you don't like that, no one's making you watch them.

rushia was responsible
she found some secret throat poison and invited them out to a tea party
that's how they all got nodules

>>24255216
Yes, absolutely. Google "colorism".

>>24261876
I really hope Koyori takes care of her health.

I think I have seen more hate toward them on this site more than any other site
Is it just “Muh 4chan being contrarian” or there are people who actually hate them that much?

>>24263226
>>24263341
Holy cow, he beats Watame!
I thought Watame was #1 in stream time.

>>24268261
Koyori beats Watame on that metric too. Though I'm convinced she won't be able to keep that up forever, whereas Watame has kept her pace up for a long time.

>>24268261
Aruran does like 3 streams a day, I can go to sleep as he's streaming, wake up and he'll be onto his next one.

>>24267437
I'm not talking about her gaming skills but her standing around silently for minutes. Yes lets talk about MonHun where Nene was told to shut the fuck up. Or lets talk about the Minecraft breakup of the magamaga musume, you know the only time lamy fucking ragequitted and stopped her stream cold.

>>24268416
Don't watch Koyori, so I don't know much time she has streamed.
>>24268428
>go to sleep as he's streaming, wake up and he'll be onto his next one
Nocturnal sheep does it in one stream.
She usually streams around midnight and ends in the morning.

>>24266139
My ass. Pekora wishes she could be more like Maririn, a natural born comedian who is loved by the other talents

>>24245194
What? Noel at least has the "bazookas"

>>24266139
Shitposters bait are so fucking stale these days, craft something proper instead of this infinitely regurgitated tedium will ya

>>24268768
Noel has Sugoi Dekai Oppai Missiles.

>>24247147
I'm a Gen 0 guy by default because of my oshi, but I have to admit as an entire unit? Gen 5 is strongest for sure.