/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>23949454
Why are IDs being targeted?

>>23949544
One angry indo

>>23949454
Why would we rectify this?

>>23949454
>Lisa of Tsunderia
Seems really out of place, comparatively.

>>23949454
Some smaller ID: Keyla Estella (l Hayoloh Project) and Lulana Winternyx
Also Xenon from VTOPIA (Thai small corpo)

I can't help but feel they're doing a test run on some new exploits since it apparently bypasses subs only chat

>>23949454
Lisa appears to still be up?

Ibara Muan, independed JP vtuber just got banned

>>23951157
She's demonetized and memberships are suspended, from what I can figure out.

>>23949454
Meanwhile Youtube is perfectly fine with allowing kino casino's channel to stay up, when they break all of the rules.

>>23951318
that was before this happened

>>23951263
>it spread to JP now

All vtubers WILL be forced onto Twitch.

>>23951520
>kino casino
What?

>>23951734
Kiwitranny show hosted by some 400 pound faggot where they doxx and slander people for lulz. Youtube doesn't care.

>>23950738
>Kobo collabs with Haachama
suspended
>Lisa collabs with Pippa
suspended
Isolation gambit? No way too far out.

>>23951887
Just spam reports at it I guess. That said Kiwifarms needs the rope.

>>23951734
latest focus point for the dregs of the IBS trend

Fix your fucking shit Susan, you stupid long-nosed whore.

>Talk about terminations, suspensions & ways to rectify them.
>ways to rectify them
There are currently ZERO solutions in this thread.

>>23952259
There is nothing WE can do, unless you wanna spam twitter, its a big enough issue currently that it will reach someone important eventually.
Problem is that youtube keeps automating more and more, they just fired the people that verify reports for example, so its much easier to falseflag.

either way i guarantee you cover is on the horn to youtube japan, theyll get Kobo back in no time at all

>>23951318
Lisa has been randomly demonitized for days already and Youtube is still refusing to explain why

>>23952259
Spamming the youtube account on twitter is literally the only solution. I don't have an account though so that's all on you guys.

>>23952259
Just remove on screen chat or even just the avatars

>>23952259
The only solution is spamming all known youtube accounts until the useless pajeet codemonkeys do their fucking job.

>>23952364
Obviously, but she might end up getting shadowbanned like Kiara was for weeks. That also won't help indies/smaller vtubers affected by this.

>>23952364
So is niji, they have way more office monkeys to handle that stuff.
>>23952388
Does she do ASMRs?

>>23952388
So that's probably unrelated to today's wave of suspensions

Non live accounts are supposedly also getting nuked since the spam thing apparently works in comments. Get your fucking shit together susan

Searching through twitter, they're telling 2 views to get fucked
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1523706108673675264

>>23952595
I think that's only accounts with free chat open, from what I've seen in other threads.

>>23952259
the way to rectify them is for susan to be murdered or replaced so someone else will run that shitty site, the new ceo could be worse but it also could be better though

>>23952681
If they drag up somebody WORSE than Susan, I'll be impressed

>>23952668
You mean the same with waiting rooms/scheduled streams? Or is that any different.

>>23952643
Youtube is fucking done

>>23952643
How the fuck did you even find this guy

>>23953128
Searched Nudity Teamyoutube on twitter

>>23953128
NTA but Twitter's search function is actually really good. You can search date ranges, one person's account or @, add in extra text, etc

>>23953128
the team youtube replies, however that guy contacted them from may 2nd so its not related to this

Spam @teamyoutube on twitter.
Make them do a proper job and fixed tgeir shit

>>23953190
apparently exploit was already known a month ago

>>23952259
spam twitter. get contact a guy with a youtube "connect" on twitter
other than that, nothing I can think of doing.
I mean, I want to think Nijisanji and Hololive have enough pull for the companies to get in contact directly with Youtube Japan and then Youtube proper. For the indies, spamming is the best they've got.

>>23953258
And instead of fixed it, they kicked off their trustedflagging team instead and make the problem worst

>>23951520
>>23951887
Actual Gunt guarders on /vt/, unreal. Imagine defending a 400 pound convicted felon registered sex offender with 4 man tits.

Asmongold bought the bots by the way

>>23953350
>implying thats gonna work
Youtube is not gonna get off their asses for that, hell the only for them to act on it is if their recent pet projects like sykunno will get hit by the same thing

>>23952259
Every vtuber who got banned needs to get in contact and collab with each other about it.

>>23952259
The solution is to ban NijiEN, specifically Luxiem, off of youtube and banish them to bilibili. It is their fans doing this and that is why Mika was their first target.

>>23953468
Every time this shit happens I always see that the best "bet," even for channels that have millions of subs, is for some "Youtube guy" on twitter to contact someone at Youtube to restore your shit. Granted, this was like in the 2018-2019 pre Corona days, some I'm not sure how much of Youtube's infrastructure has changed.
But then why are you even here? To celebrate that Kobo and Mika got done in by some fucking anti schizo?

>>23954364
A lot has changed, when Corona started Youtube saw the perfect excuse to fire all their in house staff, now they got rid of their team that handles reports.

>>23953815
> get every vtuber banned.
> they all join together to fight back.
> ultimate Unity reached.

Unity trolls playing 5d chess

>>23954364
>I'm not sure how much of Youtube's infrastructure has changed.
not much has change in terms of customer support but they did fire a lot of staf and changed them with pajeet coded bots
>But then why are you even here?
Im just curious how many channels are gonna get nuked or if this is gonna spread beyond vtubers

YouTube bros I thought you said your site was better than Twitch?

>>23954419
> let bots decide over the livelyhood of thousands.
> instead of having a human verify the ultimate punishment dish it out automatically.

What could go wrong?

>>23952516
For Lisa they suspect it's because of music playing during her GTA stream.

Here's a list of vtubers affected so far. Any more?

https://twitter.com/MikaMelatika/
https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru
https://twitter.com/ibaramuan
https://twitter.com/koinoya_mai
https://twitter.com/sakuyatobari
https://twitter.com/KeylaEstella
https://twitter.com/LulanaWinternyx
https://twitter.com/xenonvtopia

>>23954603
Does mai still do ASMR?

>>23949454
How does this attack work? Is it just mass reporting by bots? Or they go into their "open talk" streams and post bannable stuff?

>>23949544
Because they're neither human nor a real country.

>>23954603
so the bots only attack vtubers?

>>23954577
Yea that'll do it, GTA is one of the most dangerous games to play on youtube

>>23954603
What did Kobo do ????

>>23954681
It is or you could say was her main focus.

>>23954685
from what i could piece together the bots post bannable stuff with porn profile pics and youtubes retarded ai deletes the channel

>>23951263
SHE WAS JUST SINGING AND TALKING TOO FUCK YOU SUSAN

Its because of the profile pic it seems, a lot of people have chats with profile pics on stream, the AI detects CP in that profile pic and just deletes you.

>>23954712
I don't know, I only follow vtubers so I don't know if others have also been hit.

>>23954822
Whenever I think youtube can't be anymore moronic they find a way to prove me wrong. I kneel.

>AI moderation with no human oversight being exploited
Who could have ever predicted this?

https://twitter.com/sakuyatobari/status/1523704528800927745

>>23954866
The YouTube AI needs to take meds.

>>23954712
there are some small youtubers that were also apparently hit and there were reports of non live channels also being taken down but the latter might just be a rrat

>>23954945
Can this be exploited on the YT main channel? I want to see as they ban themselves from complete retardation, maybe they'll do something afterwards just from the complete embarassment kek

>>23954528
They're both bad. This shithole thinks that if you're a girl on Twitch you've taken miles of cock because of how much Twitch has bended rules for their titty streamers, and how it is fucking considering allowing porn or nudity or whatever. You can have your opinions on that, but Twitch is usually responsive even if they have bullshit, hypocritical reasons for banning male streamers over female streamers.
Youtube, has a more "family friendly" appeal and retards here think that means that women aren't encouraged to be whores for whatever reason, but as this thread has made evident, Youtube is cabal of jews that ban people for the stupidest reasons, if you try to address the issue yourself you're speaking with a bot, and where they honestly don't care about your clout or whatever, if you're out then you're fucking out, simple as.

>>23954866
But I don't understand why they delete the channel? It makes it very easy for anyone to nuke any channel they want with bots.

Is this the work of a begrudged programmer that was told to shut up when he said this was a bad idea and is doing it just to prove management wrong?

>>23952259
The only solution we can do is literally hound team youtube on twitter until they get their heads out of their asses and fix what they've broken. So, you know, UNLEASH YOUR INNER SHITPOSTER

>>23954681
Yes, still glorious.

>>23955216
>>23952185
>>23952342
>>23952185
>>23954419
Youtube Twitter is a bot. We already said that they replaced their report team with bots and that includes a twitter bot too. No human from youtube is readin that. Find another solution.

>>23954966
this is like the 50th time the retards making decisions have done this too, they literally never learn

>>23955293
How does a man look at those tits, those thighs, those shoulders, and that pussy AND STILL prefer her feet. Feetfags are just wired wrong, man.

>>23955362
Doesn't matter. This shit doesn't affect Susan or any of their nepotism hires, just creators and fans who like to watch them.

What if chat is not shown anymore on stream layouts?

>>23955216
Remember when Pornhub purge their entire unverified account to battle the CP speculation.

>>23955332
the solution is to attack their big names with the same exploit and force their hand on the matter

>>23955362
I wanted to crack a joke about how they're ironically on par with an artificial neural network but on second though i think the NN would learn faster

>>23952259
>>23955332
Advertisers. Emails and tweet Youtube advertisers and tell them to pull out.

>>23955405
It's a bot getting triggered by certain zero-tolerance phrases/words in chat. Not showing it wouldn't change anything. Safest thing to do is to disable it and direct the audience to another app/site to chat.

>>23953407
What are you talking about anon, nobody's defending the guy, the posts you quoted are opposed.

>>23955415
All my saved HMVs...

>>23949544
Good middle ground between "Big enough that it might not work" and "Small enough that they'll notice spam immediately and be able to ban it"
Please look forward to people using the same tactic on larger vtubers now that it's confirmed to work.

>>23955803
>implying its only gonna affect vtubers
there was a violin stream and one of those citycam streams that were nuked because of the said bots

>>23955112
>and how it is fucking considering allowing porn or nudity or whatever.
That's based if they do it actually
I don't care how many camgirls it enables if it means my oshi might be able to stream eroge

>>23955653
So practically, YouTube chat is dead ?

>>23956017
>>23955653
YT chat lags out the site to an inordinate degree anyway.

>>23955883
Other streamers aren't relevant to /vt/, but yes obviously they'll also be affected too.

>>23956017
Any chuba who streams with youtube chat after today is retarded and deserves everything she gets.

>>23952820
There are three certainties in life: Death, taxes, and Youtube's ability to make an even bigger fuck-up than the last.

>>23955935
It is. Unfortunately it's far from consistent.

>>23956088
What im saying is that the current attacks are not only limited to vtubers so it might not be a vtuber anti

https://twitter.com/sakuyatobari/status/1523725824645427200
S/EX PEN/ETRA/TION PU/SSY

Cover and Anycolor can pool their ressources and make their own streaming site but they won't because console wars and china.

>>23956330
Its not that easy, even if both companies came together, the amount of resorces needed for a livestreaming platform are enormous.

>>23956017
Distribution of child abuse material is not something any company wants to be involved with, so the bot will probably never go away but I assume it's going to be easier to appeal those bans.

>>23956184
Whoever started it, everyone knows and there are copycats. It doesn't matter who they are its that this is a thing that is happening. Even if the first one dies copycats will keep doing it.

>>23956184
What >>23956420 said.
Even if it's one guy now, now other people know they can use the same tactic.

>>23954712
see >>23955883 >>23956088

>>23954603
Are these all ID? Are there any other common factors?

>>23956420
# fags are already salivating at using this against Vox.

So there's no way to fight this bot except probably to end the stream immediately and delete the frame. Because if you "delete the messages" the name and icon of the sender are still intact.

>>23956511
Some of them are JP

>>23956330
>Cover and Anycolor can pool their ressources and make their own streaming site
Bigger companies (most recently Microsoft) have tried.
Not to mention
>Japanese code
No. Thanks. Niconico used to be HUGE and was abandoned because they couldn't ever be bothered to update anything.

>Kobo makes Kiara her oshi.
>Gets terminated like what happened to her.
I'll expect a second one some months later after her channel returns.

>>23956330
Fucking Facebook tried and failed to make a streaming platform, what makes you think two companies with perhaps 1/15th of Zuckerberg's assets can succeed?

>>23954866
I'm slowpoking here, but from what I understand, the bots have illegal shit in their profile pics, post in a streamer's chat, and when their comments show up in the stream Youtube's ai immediately detects the illegal shit and terminates the streamer? Is this correct?

https://twitter.com/MikaMelatika/status/1523716932322553857
Mika seems confident it can be restored in few days

>>23956402
Then its over. Youtube will stay petulant as long as possible and deny wrongdoing to save face while every hour a new gayops group pops up to ban another dozen streamers. Twitch will go through with gutting its partner program to a 50% cut + mandatory ads. Mastercard, visa, banks, paypal, et al. will deny financial services to any alternatives, as they have done in the past to competitors of twitch and youtube or all chats get raided by gay spam and porn spam by those bitcoin-funded streaming sites.

>>23956558
Why the fuck is it even possible to create these accounts / set names like that in the first place, if they're going to hammer on it later?

>>23956640
There's that site kson used to stream on that was basically Japanese twitch. I forgot the name of it, but it was surprisingly good.

>the everyday life you take for granted will one day crumble

>>23956558
You can hide the comments from that particular account instead of just deleting.

>>23956675
It seems so. I don't think its that simple though, or else everyone and their mom would use that to turboban anyone they don't like.

>>23956675
thats one of the working theories ye

>>23956675
It's not illegal, just bannable. Yt is just retarded even more than it should be.

>>23956675
I hope that's not the case, because that means even legit, innocent users are gonna cause channel deletions because I'm absolutely positive these bots consider anything anime related to be CP.

>>23956762
Mildom?

can anyone tell me what the fuck is happening? i'm out of the loop for months at this point

>>23954603
>https://twitter.com/koinoya_mai
Karma catches up.
Sic Semper Tratoris

>>23956910
Yes, that's the one. It was at least better than nnd, though that's not saying much.

>>23956773
Huh, I didn't know that exist, then why does every mod/vtuber always delete the spam messages? it's still cluttering the live chat.

We should go back to the times of people hosting their content on their own websites.

>>23956966
Unfortunately that is living hell for streams.

>>23956990
Terry could do it.

>>23955188
Anon, google only hires "mumbai special price set combo" indians and HR troons now.
Decent programmers have left or have been driven out. It only ever gets worse. Don't look for any reason or pattern; none exists. They don't know how anything works, madness for you to even try to guess why.

>>23956914
Basically, someone found an exploit on a new change Youtube made to their algorithm last week, tested that to take down a pair of indie vtubers some days ago and now nuked Mika from NijiID and Kobo from HoloID, plus some other indies from JP.

And now apparently now copycats are appearing...

>>23956923
If you're talking about the mass unfollowing of holos thing, it seems like that stopped being a thing since I saw her interact with Matsuri a while ago on twitter.

Begun, the Bot Wars have.

>>23956812
2 or 3 in Rrat scale

>>23956675
The profile pics probably make no difference. If youtube had a way to auto-detect illegal content in them it would use it to prevent users from using illegal content in the first place. It's very possible that the content of the message is already enough to trigger the bot.

>>23957079
>new change Youtube made to their algorithm
and that change is?

>>23957187
Let me do my reps, its either above here or in another thread, give me some minutes.

>>23949454
>3) Lisa of Tsunderia
Holy shit. How's she coping?

I hate Susan so much.

>>23949454
>>23957241
Lisa is unrelated, she got troll reported for ??? and got her memberships suspended. Has nothing to do with the spam attack.

>>23957241
Susan cut her memberships and when she tried to appeal a bot shot her down and she can't appeal again until June.

This event is dare I say it the HOLO(live)caust

>>23957286
Even if it is unrelated to the current drama that is so damn infuriating it's giving me a headache.

Actually, I swear I saw these bots skating in chat about a week ago or something. And it was in Selen's chat iirc so what is going on?

Was searching for another victim probability, and found this girl fighting her own chat schizo for minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbZYkSqHmCo

>>23957363
They were trying tactics to see what worked until one of them got it. Baiting the algorithm to see what bites.

>>23957342
>one literal who holo indog affected
>a half dozen others are also affected
>HURR DURR IT'S ABOUT HOLOLIVE LIKE THE NIGGER I AM

>>23955608
Wouldn't this hurt our oshis though?

>>23957429
It hurts YouTube more than it hurts them, and it also hurts them a hell of a lot less than getting their channels terminated.

>>23957241
Shes fucked.
Like well and truly fucked, she's a small fry channel and Tsunderia is dead, her best bet is to set up shop on twitch.

>>23949454
What's going on with Lisa? Is she jumping ship?

>>23957429
We donate streamlabs and the megasimps use throne. This only hurts youtube. Streamers get 3cents per hundred add clicks or something

Some Nijis have twitch accounts and most of hololive does too. Is it time?

>>23957036
We're probably one or two steps away from techpriests burning incense and anointing the servers with consecrated oil to appease the AI.

>>23957121
No, I'm referring to her cucking taiwan in favor of chinarrrr.

>>23956812
Solid three, and this could very well escalate depending on exactly how retarded YT is

Tell your oshi to use discord chat while she streams on youtube. It works for twitter spaces and it will work for here.
Gripe about discord all you want its better than getting nuked.

>>23957217
Any update on this? Would be interesting to know if there's anything more concrete on what's causing this.

>>23956017
>>23956104
Live chat is dead. They'll have to chat using twitter tags, discord or something they own and/or control.

I can see memberships giving people access to the streamers discord where they can now chat safely.

Or maybe they'll relay to periscope since twitter seems to be *slightly* less stupid when it comes to their bans.

>>23954712

Most likely the guys running the bot are from Indonesia. So they are targeting the people who live in their country first

>>23957577
That would be an improvement. Not even joking here. The priests' first sacrifice would be the obese hr trannies.

>>23956812
3rd but might escalate to 5 or 6

>>23957548
Having a back up account is something ALL of them should have, don't depend on a single website, especially one as horribly fickle as youtube.

>>23957187
>>23957617

Been trying but haven't had luck, maybe was deleted. However I did find one telling me to check the top post on r/Youtube, and from what I got plus the little I remember, I suppose Youtube just automated even more their algo to flag channels. There was one anon who wrote that they also fired their team to check incidents like this just yesterday, but no sources on that one.

Gonna keep searching, now I'm really curious what exactly it was.

>>23957608
This. They can even get members only discord role for maximum safety (and to access the lewds channel since by paying you confirm you're an adult) brilliant!!

>>23957617
Well, YouTube fires the entire team responsible for manually checking suspensions and mass reports. Without those guys, the bot in charge has basically gone rampant.

>>23957027
Holy C is on another level

>>23956330
cover has a streaming site called hololive fanclub and it's been leaking user data for months

>>23957638
How long does EN have before they strike them?

>>23956708
Understandable for nijis since this is not the first time it happened to them. They're used to it

>>23957743
It'll happen whenever an EN streamer goes live.

>>23957739
Source on it leaking user data?

>>23957636
All vtubers, corpos big and small, and indies, are working on a solution on their side and will probably implement faster than YT.

At this point any streamer is not going to stream with live chat on and as some have suggested will use a third party like discord to chat.

>>23957760
So it's holobrownies doing it.

>>23956330
They're just gonna use twitch. Hololive has been preparing to use twitch more and more over the past month.

>>23957688
it wasnt yesterday but a few months ago i think
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/q8m50y/youtubekilledtrustedflagging/
>>23957187
>>23957617
It might be related to the recent raiding feature which might have screwed with the algorithm although someone also said that this was already an old problem from a fix they did back in december to curb crypto spammers

>>23957743
I'm hoping Cover has mandated all streamers to not stream and to take down their open room streams.

>>23957814
Twitch exec's salivating at the thought

>>23957799
Logically, the problem is that the bannable phrase/image appears on the video stream, so it's part of the content of the streaming channel. So the ban is justified. If they don't put the chat on the screen, then they should be safe.

>>23957871
>then they should be safe.
yeah good luck with that
https://twitter.com/Vtopia_Official/status/1522169528511524864 (embed) (embed)
>In the last part of the live (around 22.00 (10 PM.) onwards), there was a group of people who did not wish well. enter the chat The group gave their account a name and used a profile picture that contained sexual content. Obscene messages are spammed. entered the chat channel many times
>4. with one of those who do not wish well There has been a message in English that means "I will report your channel because it contains pornographic content" by staff and wrench. who took care of life at that time Messages have been deleted for 300 seconds and blocked all bad people.
>On May 5, 2022, after the appeal has been notified The agency was rejected by Youtube as YouTube still insisted that it was unable to release the channel cancellation, however, the staff appealed to the end.

>>23957777
check the cache

>>23957842
That way to excessive an answer to this.

>>23957636
Periscope is dead. Twitter shut it down months ago. Tweeting is too slow. It's either discord chat + youtube with discord on screen, discord chat + youtube with no chat on screen, or twitch.

>>23957871
>The ban is justified

>>23957608
This might be viable for 2views, but Discord can't handle a whole lot of volume imx.

>>23957868
honestly the schizo rat in my head is telling me that twitch might have something to do with this as payback for youtube copying its raiding feature

>>23957925
Thats because a bot is looking at it, it isn't considered important enough to be bumped up to a real person.

>>23957925
Anon, listen here because you seemed to be slow. Was the chat on screen? If no and this happened then you are right. Otherwise stfu.

>>23957962
What do you not understand?

>all these people suggesting having Holos and Nijis, who are proven to be terrible with communications and Discord, to send their chat to a Discord with them
You people are insane

This will be fixed when Ludwig/Sykkuno etc. catch wind of it and call up Susan personally

>>23958000
There are no real people checking the reports/suspensions anymore. That's part of the problem.

>>23958000
they removed/reduced the human factor in their reporting section

>>23958086
They're retarded and insane. There's some sort of unironic discussion going on about leaving Youtube and making their own site.

>>23958086
Even ignoring the human side of that, Discord just isn't set up to handle something like a stream chat. Itd be a nightmare

>>23958021
Anon what im saying is that it doesnt matter that if it was on the chat screen or not you are gonna get banned regardless and the chances of you getting your channel back especially if you are a 2view are low since its mostly automated now

>>23952259
Its simple.
We must find a way to replace Susan with a vtuber.

As much as I hate twitch it is the solution.

>>23957814
Twitch is gutting its partner program from 70% to 50% + mandatory ads. Backlash may have prevented them from doing this but now with Youtube going full retard they have green light to push it and streamers can just suck cock. It's a spitroast. Holo's don't care because of streamelements but indies on twitch will get fucked.
>>23957842
>take down their open room streams
Absolutely. No reason to get banned for raiders spamming a waiting room. Close comments too.
>not stream
Fuck no. Just use discord chat or stream on twitch.

>>23957971
Slow mode, server boosting, and membership discords exist for a reason.

>>23958246
Indies on Twitch are already kinda fucked, desu.

>>23958319
Yeah, but a permanently restricted chat is a great way to lose a solid chunk of viewers

>>23958086
>>23958185
Best temporary refuge would be Twitch chat. Works even if you aren't streaming on Twitch, can be properly moderated, can be hooked into OBS, is public unlike Discord.
As long as this method works to autoban then no streamer will be safe and eventually they'll catch someone like Ludwig with it and YT will be forced to fix it. So you just need a quick temp alternative.

>>23958202
That doesn't make sense. Well it's worse then I thought. Although proof that it works like that?

>>23958086
>>23958185
This thread is about solutions. Of course shit will be thrown around that's part of brainstorming. The 2views can use discord. It's unfortunate that won't work for Holos and Nijis. I hope you find a good chat alternative or are fine with Twitch.

>>23958246
Anon. You're misinformed. Only the very top Partners are at 70% cuts. The vast majority are still at 50% cuts. The change does fuck to most people.

>>23958372
Programmer Bros, how much would it cost to build a chat? Does Holo or Niji have that in their budget. How much would they have to borrow?

>>23958477
You also need to account for slow to move Japanese management and standard corpo red tape
And even if it gets planned, it'll be made of easily hackable spaghetti code

>>23958477
Idk like tree fifty

>>23957382
Im watching her now and she's a nice chuuba

>>23958372
Only temporary, anyone that follows anything with Vtuber news in it will know about the whole Vtuber channels getting terminated thing. So it's only a matter of time until it gets looked into. And for big corpo Vtubers this likely works out for them since they get put on the spotlight as the main victims like Kobo and Mika, so when they get their comeback they'll probably get a small boost on popularity.

>>23958412
And a lot of those guys have custom contracts with Twitch anyway, so they dont give a fuck either

>>23958406
>Although proof that it works like that
No hard proof but im basing it on the fact that some of the streams that were taken down removed the chat spams but still got banned which for me would make sense if youtubes ai was detecting flagged pictures and words instead of just flagged words

>>23958086
Putting the chat in sub/member only mode should work for the near future unless I missed something

>>23958663
Bot bypasses member mod.

>>23957739
That's based on NND though. NND provides the servers and all of that

>>23958553
Ok so building shit isn't going to happen. It will have to be something that already exists and discord is too slow. Better get used to pop out twitch chat + youtube or just twitch.

>>23958679
Fucking how

>>23958679
The only evidence I've seen of that was Miko, and I've also seen claims that she was only in like, 5 minute sub only mode, which is easily bypassed with some manual control of the bot, so that's probably not true.

>>23958663
Sub won't work. Bots subbed and then eaited to post. Members only might work but it's a risk since only one bot can buy membership and then post the content. 3rd party chat is going to be it in the near term. Maybe permanent if these things keep happening

>>23955112
>this shithole thinks that if you're a girl you've taken miles of cock
yes.

>>23958477
>How hard would it be to make and implement a chat program?
Incredibly easy
>Do any japanese vtuber companies have the personnel qualified to do it?
Absolutely not

>>23958638
But the messages were still on screen in the stream video? That's what I'm talking about from the start.

>>23958845
What >>23958861 said. Bots can sub, spam, then unsub. It would be easy to program. Raiders could even unsub the bot manually or delete them.

>>23958820
>>23958845

I bet this fuckery has something to do with last week's bot problem
https://twitter.com/saranagare/status/1522107775031021568

>inb4 someone is so hellbent on taking down channels that they start sending CP stickers through superchats
Kneel Y/N?

>>23958899
The chat that i was in had a very fast and active mod that deleted messages in half a second but maybe thats all it takes to get flagged

>>23958992
Kek

>>23958967
might have been a test run since apparently there was also another streamer who had the same problem last friday

>>23959011
They're bots, so yeah. Any opportunity at all is enough.

>>23956932
mildom is chinese i believe, they tried for awhile to pull a bunch of vtubers there (ai had her birthday there and it was the only thing I watched)
it wasn't that good.

but the biggest issue like always is about audience, other competitors don't have the youtube audience so its harder to get exposure and find new people to watch them. which means nobody will create content for them, which means nobody goes to the site, and etc.

>>23959011
No matter how fast a mod deletes it the problem is that a bot saw it there and proceeds to eliminate. This is a bot problem not a mod problem.

>>23959051
Yeah, I've seen a couple mentions of what look like test runs trying to nail down the right phrases to trigger the YouTube bot-mod

>>23958246
>Just use discord chat
I fucking hate trannycord but if it became members' only discord chat all the time then so be it.
Would improve things hell of a lot.

>>23957688
Fresh rrat:

One of the fired humans whose job got replaced by bots orchestrated this to give Susan a lesson

>>23958638
No hard proof but im basing it on the fact that some of the streams that were taken down removed the chat spams but still got banned which for me would make sense if youtubes ai was detecting flagged pictures and words instead of just flagged words

I can confirm Youtube AI does recognizes and interpret Thumbnails. At least to some degree

But I am not sure if it can detect video currently streamed

>>23959138
This will have to be the short-to-middle term solution.

>>23959255
Pretty sure the botter reports the bots, so the check is triggered.

>>23958899
>>23959052
Also I think I remember seeing the same bots during the golden week tournament and chammers stream but the only difference was that they had a letter for profile pics instead of the porn ones which made me believe that it might be the pics instead of the words

Twitch chat is unironically the easiest solution. You can use it without starting a stream, it supports moderation (bans, timeouts, slow mode), it's low-latency, and it has multiple web and desktop clients.

>>23957382
aw she's cute.

>>23959315
It even has a no spam toggle.

>>23956762
>mildom
>surprisingly good
you have to be fucking joking.

Yeah, Twitch is the only real solution I'm seeing. YouTube chat is actual, literal poison, no chat isn't acceptable in the least, building a new service isn't viable, and Discord cant handle large chats, so would require heavy restrictions.

It looks like thread has reached a solution:
Twitch Chat + Youtube or Pure Twitch

I remember someone commenting that twitch chat looks soulless because they have no pfps. The irony.

The last question to answer is will Youtube's bots terminate a channel if a twitch comment has a bad word in on screen overlay? It sounds so asinine to even think about but if there is proof of that happened or if it does happen (you) need to record it / screenshot it and tell us.

>>23958477
Its literally programming 101.
Maybe 401 since you probably need to take networking too. But I could make you a simple chat program in like 2 hours. Authentication would be the biggest issue but you could just authenticate with a youtube account and use their API and just layer an additional ban system on top of it.

super cheap super easy. but the problem is people don't like using external programs. if they're watching a stream then they want to chat there, any extra step is a high change they just won't chat/watch anymore.

>all this brainstorming for something that will get fixed in the next 48 hours

>put chat in members only
wow that was so hard to fix
most holos also have pic related anyway to fuck over the chinks

>>23959657
They fired every person who knew how to fix it.

Now that raiders know that Youtube bots can be baited, they will keep trying again and again. No matter how many pajeets work to fix the bots, raiders will get through it. Youtube will never remove the bots because of moralfagging mixed with automation elitism fallacy.

>>23957953
>>23957636
>>23956017
>>23956104
>>23956418
>>23957608
>>23959451
>>23959636
>>23959315


Every single YouTuber has their own Livetag.
You don't need to get fancy.
Simply use Tweetdeck and have people chat in the Livetag.
Has the added benefit of ticking off normalfags.

>>23959684
>2 views who don't have monetization can go fuck themselves!

>>23959684
But the experts in this thread say that subscriber only doesn't work? Who do I believe?

>>23957688
heres little insider info i was given by a former youtube worker who worked in the middle of the ladder (they could influence things but they couldnt stop uppermanagement from being shitheads level)
youtube often rotates out their mod teams, like every 6 months and dont train the new ones on how to moderate to their standards so basically they after the last team wouldve figured out how to do their jobs, theyd be replace them with an unexperienced team without any seniority to help them.

>>23959850
You really don't know what's the difference between sub and member only?

>>23959850
>he thinks members only = subscribers only
And bots cant bypass a 40 year lockout, nobody can

>>23959871
I don't know youtube, but I work in tech.
That sounds 100% perfectly believable and I have witnessed similar things.

>>23959684
>>23959850
For how much time, realistically? 1 week its easily bypassable, and one month may turn off potential subscribers. The holos themselves also said how much they hate to have to do that.

And then, what about VODs? supposedly the spambot did this on the comment section of some vods and managed to kill a channel. If fine, there is no evidence that this actually happened, there is also no evidence this can't happen.

>>23959871
Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. I worked as a teacher in a private school, and the director there used to do this until he was also removed.

>>23959906
Dude, people in this very thread keep saying that they can bypass the lockout, it doesn't matter how long it is.

A hopeful scenario is that whoever has the bot goes wild, and a lot channels go down. That way, Youtube HAS to address it. Because it is fucking retarded it can cost you whatever the bot costs and 5 dollars of membership to ruin someone's career.

>>23959973
Show me proof and I'll believe you spewing your bullshit. There are only 2 messages that were posted through that 40 year lockout and both of those were from mods. So unless those bots can magically become mods, no they cant.

>>23959829
>Has the added benefit of ticking off normalfags.
why the fuck would they do that since it would effectively kill their growth

>>23960045
Didn't Mika get banned despite having a lockout?

>>23959946
hell i work in the medical field and that shit also happens here

>>23960075
Mika had a 5-minute sub-only, the bots just subbed and waited

Looks like being a MCN didn't help to much in Cover case.

>>23960211
I mean what's stopping a bot from hacking a legit account that's been subscribed for a week and spamming shit though?

>>23960062
Why would people whining that the sidebar has vtuber related shit trending stymie channel growth?

>>23960010
apparently the ai is also just garbage at its job too.
https://twitter.com/Jacksepticeye/status/1523741528362938368
>>23960075
mika has always had sub only on, problem is she wasnt willing to put the lock out to anything longer then 5 mins because people complained about the subs only thing to begin with (and she stupidly let that get stuck in her head), not wanting to ruin the mood of the stream and she wanted people to be able to join in freely, even when chat was basically yelling at her to put on for 30 mins
i criticise her for not listening and handling the bots poorly but the bot account was already on stream at that point so likely even if she did the 30 mins wouldnt have saved her from the ban.
though one justification you could give for her not handling it well was because of trauma related to what the bot was saying.

>>23959957
>and one month may turn off potential subscribers
WTF does some 1month greyname/no-sub wander-in have to say anyway?
>Oh noes!!!1one I can't type "草" or "lmao" in a stream for a whole month! that's it I'm not going to subscribe to this channel and will go watch someone else even though it's clearly stated why this policy is in place I CAN'T WAIT I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TYPE SOMETHING NO ONE WILL EVER READ NOR CARE ABOUT INTO A CHAT BOX THAT MOVES AS FAST AS I PREMATURELY EJAC REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>23960269
Im asking why ticking off normies would be a good idea for a vtuber who wants to grow? since you implied that using livetag would tick off normies

>>23960257
Its a lot more work to do so. We're not talking elite hackers here.

>>23960399
Hes a pippafag, pay him no attention.

>>23960296
Stunts the grow, as easy as that. Nobody cares about the greynames but they are needed, just like the common worker is needed to maintain the whole ass economy.

If it weren't for them, /#/ and tribalfags wouldn't even exist.

>>23960296
>>Oh noes!!!1one I can't type "草" or "lmao" in a stream for a whole month! that's it I'm not going to subscribe to this channel and will go watch someone else even though it's clearly stated why this policy is in place I CAN'T WAIT I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TYPE SOMETHING NO ONE WILL EVER READ NOR CARE ABOUT INTO A CHAT BOX THAT MOVES AS FAST AS I PREMATURELY EJAC REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
thats literally what they would do and that would unironically be bad for a vtuber since that would stunt growth

>>23960296
2view chat will be much deader than before.

>>23960257
too much work and its easier to go after vulnerable targets instead of defended ones.
>>23960296
>WTF does some 1month greyname/no-sub wander-in have to say anyway?
if you dont make people want to stay, they wont stay

>>23955608
That's gonna be a double edge sword. From youtube's point of view, they are going to decide that hosting hundreds of barely moderated livechats is the problem.
You just can't have a user-facing webform on the internet. I'd be real surprised if there wasn't at least one botnet trying to use youtube chat for C&C already.

>>23960596
You think Advertisers pulling out of Youtube will make Youtube hire pajeets to mod chats who make people feel gross and donate less? Yeah that is something they would do.

The adpocalypse on youtube just made them out wipeout tons of channels, mostly gun and some history related ones.
They will always take the road of least effort to protect the ad money.

>advertisers pull out
>youtube pulls a pornhub and nukes every "unverified" channel
can't wait.

>>23960279
>>23960417
>>23960559
Hmm, alright, it does sound like having a longer time on sub-only sounds to be a good solution for now then.

AAAHHHHHH fuck you Susan
Free my fucking cute zoomer sheep right now

>>23960929
Yeah, it works as a short term solution. Hurts growth a bit, but probably not that badly, especially if YouTube actually solves this in a reasonably short time frame. Otherwise, figure something out with Twitch or whatever.

>>23959833
unironically yes

>>23960471
>>23960499
>>23960536
>>23960559
I bow to your collective wisdom.
It's fucking stupid though holy shit why can't people be patient?
Am I the only asshole that leaves streams on in the background with no intention to shit up chat with inanities?
And another thing: who the fuck chats during ASMR streams?
Lie down or sit back and close your eyes you idiot. What the hell are you poised at the keyboard for to spam the same ahegao emotes x3 like everyone else with their hands not by their sides or on their dicks.
Ridiculous.

>>23961121
some people dont have time or the ability to wait around sadly, they need the dopamine hit.
as for live asmr, people commenting still enjoy the interactions in such a setting, plus if no one responded, it would be awkard for the asmrtist since they need the feedback if theyre not scripted ahead of time.

>>23961121
Not every stream is a holo stream.
Small corpos and indies have more active and personal chats because you actually can talk back and forth with the streamer.

>>23961121
chatting is quite literally the bedrock of livestreaming
Without it we’d all go back to watching let’s plays

>>23961121
2-4views feed of on chat interaction which makes viewers happy and in turn their name would be spread by word of mouth
not chatting would be great if you are just playing games but as what this anon said >>23961409
it would be basically a let's play

>>23952643
>>23957825
>"fire" dedicated volunteers who were doing all the heavy lifting
>volunteers
>that cost NOTHING
>rely on governments and NGOs read: media corpos
>rely on AI
>?
>草

>>23949454
Spammer mention CP
It must be Gura viewer

>>23961572
I think they trying to save face from the whole youtube became a hub for fake news and decided to terminate everyone rather risking someone who slightly leaned right

>>23961572
Susan has a genuinely negative IQ. It's kind of impressive, in an awful way.

just woke up, can i get a qrd?

>>23961766

>>23961766
kikes

>>23961766
Retarded vtubers with 5 min sub only mode get spammed and get their channel banned midstream because they are retarded and let bots spam their chat every 5 minutes

>>23961766
New YouTube exploit dropped. Seems to work by having a bot with an NSFW name/PFP spam in chat, and report. Instantly nukes the entire channel. Speculation that it can penetrate through sub only mode, but that was likely just manual manipulation to get around a 5 minute one. It's been used to nuke 7(?) vtubers so far as I know including Kobo and Mika, and a number of other channels like street cams that might've been test runs or copycats.

pretty weird that none of the usual channels are talking about it or taking credit

>>23961971
Well they're posting CP. Not something they want to actual admit to doing.

>>23960596
This. I can see youtube splitting their offline and online services in the future to avoid this.

>>23962008
Wait WHAT? I thought the channels just had offensive names, they're actually posting CP?!

>>23962070
I dont know if they actually posted CP, but there were definitely bots with names related, and explicit PFP's, which is way more than enough to not take chances with.

>>23961840
This. I used to mod a small twitch stream and everytime I begged her to let me put the sub only mode to 1+ hours she always pushed back to 5 mins.. We got bots every 5 minutes.

>>23962008
i meant the anti channels/discords not the actual youtube channels themselves and thats if vtubers were their target and not something else

>>23962070
Nobody has presented pictures about it, and the one which actually has visible evidence were adult ones. That said, that's the reason youtube gave why the channels were nuked. Also this on Kobo's chat >>23957688

>>23962008
>>23962070
we dont actually know if the pfps were CP or not, we just know the accounts used the topic of CP.
either way double checking is a Schrodinger's CP as someone would have to directly check at their own risk.

>>23962134
What do you think this thread is for
7 vtubers, 1 which is a big shot (holo) and a niji got banned and 5 smaller that we know of

>>23962127
>T.groomer
Your streamer hates your fucking guts.
You were hired solely to clean up bots so do your job and stop trying to keep people out of her char so you can groom more.

>>23962207
>we dont actually know if the pfps were CP or not
I was there and it wasnt it was a regular run of the mill cock inside a hags vagoo
>>23962226
Im just saying that anons earlier saying that this was a specific attack on vtubers and from what ive seen and heard its not
Im actually more curious now since 2 streams covering the vote counting in my country have also been apparently deleted

>>23962207
Isn't is easier to ban those usernames and profiles picts? Seems idiotic to let them through on the system then ban the channels where they interact..

> idiotic
> Susan

Ah nevermind I forgot who we were talking about. Not a multimilliom dollar company with enough resources to hire good developers.

>>23962070
I think they're using regular porn + talking about CP to trip the Youtube flags

>>23962344
rrat here:

The bots were made to crash the system on voting day but they mistook what channels to look for and ended up causing collateral damage.

>>23962451
That's ridiculous noone cares about rigging any vote that's not America. The other powers, China and Russia, don't give a shit about voting either.

>>23962451
>vtubers getting deleted was a result of a retard in my country who cant tell the difference between a stream showing polling counts from an indo water loli streaming about indo things
life is suffering
>>23962542
might be some local actors here though wanting to do some magic

>>23962451
Hard to blame them, desu. Anime girls and elections are basically identical after all.

>>23962070
https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/22557
This isn't directly related, but seems like this harassment tactic is gaining popularity across the internet.

>>23962590
I'd rather just have pekora as my president desu. She doesn't need to stop streaming either just do it on the official Whitehouse channel.

>>23962344
i mean its hard to prove either way without risk to be honest.
though looking at the screenshots i think i recognize the image.
that or its similar to the one im thinking off.
>>23962451
maybe that is why the exploiting was used to begin with but it went pasted that now.

though i think one thing people havent brought up is that there was someone else who was spamming mikas chat at the same time but they werent a bot as they replied to the accusation though they may have just been some retard that happened to sperg out at the same time as this.

>>23962661
At least the anime girls are cute

>>23952259
Only way to fix youtube is by kyoaniing their hq multiple times until they get the message, but obviously nobody is willing to do that unfortunately.

>>23962638
>Most common objection to Ao3 is "They host child porn (of fictional children, which is the same because I said so)"
>Respond by sending them ACTUAL child porn, which these people have access too for some reason
Really makes you think...

>>23962749
>i mean its hard to prove either way without risk to be honest.
nah i can tell a hag vagoo when i see one anon
also it was the same pfp that was spammed in a manga website that i frequent

>>23962638
>>23962825
If the rrats is to be believed it was a dreamxbts fanfic group that was harassing them
But the cp harassment tactic has always been a popular tactic especially when you want to badly take something down

>Every niji chuuba can fuck off to Bilibili if they want to
>Holos and homos can't, they have only Twitch as an escape route
Quite the grim outlook.

And no, not every country has a stable feed for watching 720p stuff from nicovideo, that much was proven in 2nd Fes and Bloom

>>23962842
was it confirmed CP in that case?
also not like any of us have a proper reference for what CP looks like, right?

>>23962949
>If the rrats is to be believed it was a dreamxbts fanfic group that was harassing them
please tell me you're joking

>>23962638
To be fair AO3 harassment can go far worse. The whole omegaverse bullshit sprouted from there with one chick just suing the everloving fuck out of anyone that dares encroach on her territory with an entire bot army of NPCs and literal bots willing to shitpost her enemies until they just give up.
The numberfagging and tribalism of vtubers is nothing compared to fanfic drama.

>>23962982
>was it confirmed CP in that case?
nope it was an old hag
>>23962988
one of the things they mentioned was that they would not change the tags for dreamsmp so there might be some truth to that

>>23962982
I wouldn't put money on it.

>>23963068
oh i misread the orginal comment, i thought you said it wasnt regular run of the mill cock and hag vagina.
sorry about that.

but also for future reference this screenshot is high enough res to see the pfp in decent quality so use it to point out for people int he future
https://twitter.com/VanitazBlue/status/1523657991785893891

>>23963295
understandable

>>23951520
Catboy fuhrer and the ragepig have fans on /vt/?

>>23956812
It’s probably only 2nd trumpet with 4th being the ceiling if a bigger name got hit.
Ultimately the issue is just “YouTube is a shitshow circus” and once enough people shout at YouTube on Twitter they’ll get off their asses and fix it.

>>23962590
More like a test trial

It appears the Exploit was used on 2view live streamers a month ago. But Youtube didn't took it seriously, because they weren't important. Today they tested it with big animu Streamers. Showing the Exploit does works

Tomorrow, they can use it to deplataform any Political Stream during election date. Creating a classic False Flag scenario

>>23963383
That's dumb because you don't show your hand publicly like that, especially not against people with millions of subscribers.
Everyone knows this is a thing now and isn't something new, and if youtube isn't stupid (lol) they'll have this cleaned up within a few weeks tops.

>>23963600
>they'll have this cleaned up within a few weeks
>youtube bots
i love your optimism

You know Fauna is going to stream soon, should be a good idea to check chat during the stream for clarification, if the exploit is already known I can expect an schizo attempting to push it even further.

>>23963992
If they don't use a foot focused porn image I'll be extremely disappointed.

>>23964067
You imply the schizos using bots watch streams

>>23964086
Or even care about EN for that matter.

I think someone is preparing for something big, but needs a reasonably popular testbed first.

>>23965123
Might be that they have a target but include it with a bunch of noise.

>>23965123
That's stupid. He's showed his hand now and YouTube has certainly been made aware of it. If he wanted to do "something big" he should have done it quickly as soon as he knew his exploit worked.

>>23965213
your assuming that youtube fixes exploits that dont hit their pet projects especially bot related exploits

>>23965419
New thread

>>23965257
Take in mind that YT fired all the capable people to fix this, so it will take a while.

>>23957810
No, it's Nijiniggers themselves