/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>23540676
Korone gets ~10k on Xth's stream of a debuff retro game that only her core will watch.
More news at 11.

>>23540794
3D sonic games are all trash to me.

>>23540822
not watching, but from the title it looks like his actual 4th anniversary stream, however, it's not like it has to be big, if you remember korone's 3rd anniversary was just revealing a couple of accesories and releasing a song but most of it was just a zatsu

>>23540890
to everyone

>>23540654
400k on day 8, precisely

sorry Mr Koro, 10k is for adults only

Announce HoloKR now Yagoo I dare you

>>23541043
HoloES first

Here are 2 final charts.
Median of likes

I'm done with the dataset - 300 last uploads from all active hololive members
Here it is if anyone needs
https://files.catbox.moe/6w1qgl.zip

>>23541003
It's like you fags do this on purpose

>>23541070
M E D I A N O F L I K E S

>>23541043
If that ever happens, should they go with the usual 5 man gen or just test it out with 3 people?

>>23541070
median of comments

Sora with 4.5K making a cute map poster. Nothing spectacular but it's nice to see she has a solid if low tier (for Holo) fanbase. With all the sponorships she does she's probably quite comfortable.

>>23541083
what anon, do you not know about the numbermancy powers of adults

>>23541105
3 of course, just like ID. No need to accellerate in a small market

>>23541070
any chance you can add number of streams in there somewhere? median of x needs the sample size to give context to potential outliers i feel

>>23541112
wait what, i didn't know the pink dog got that many comments

>>23541112
Huh very interesting. Kronii and Kiara that high are the biggest surprises to me for different reasons, and Jesus Kobo, I know it's debut buffed but I'm still impressed who Cover nutured then grew an ID market and now seem completely unchallenged in that part of the ecosystem

>>23541112
pretty interesting to see koyori so high actually
what's causing it?

>>23541070
>Median of likes
My new favourite statistic
Only TRUE fans like every stream of their oshi so it is the best indicator of who has the biggest fanbase of REAL fans.

>>23541112
2 Gura on the top. As it should be

>>23541112
>>23541070
HAHAHAHA the length of copebud to make Gura still appear to be relevant (hint: she's not)

>>23541043
That'd be too powerful, pls go easy on niji

>holo gold
holo gold
>holo gold
holo gold
>holo gold
holo gold

>>23540876
Retro games are debuff titles by default unless the streamer has a reputation for being good at them.

>>23541201
I actually know the answer to that one, her members are clingy fucks and fill the comments after every stream, you can go to her latest ER vod and every comment has a member badge

>>23541043
there's a huge korean fanbase for Kobo wtf

>>23541070
>Korone getting less likes over time
DARKER

>>23541112
damn thats a lot of comments for kobobo. Is this from the vod archive though? It is known for not recording all the comments we dont know why

Bakatere + Polka finally reached 10k
Kinda weak for 1 pov only.

>>23541275
pink dog likes a lot of comments that's why

>>23541275
Expect no less from Pink Lamy's Assistant

>>23541302
>comments get culled too
my sides
its probably some sort of spam detection+shadow bans algo being retarded

>>23541292
Being a cute brat transcends language barriers. It's not like Gura speaks Korean

>>23541292
Kobo is literally putting out frightening numbers across the board. Anons already explained why it’s happening a day or so ago, basically became a meme over there with her rain shaman theme and also is just hitting all the right things for them, but these are like, legitimately good views. If you saw this, you would never have guessed she’s in ID. It’s like Laplus but on a smaller scale

>>23541292
Gooks cum whenever they hear Kobo, or cunny in general call them Oppa/Ajusshi

I don't think Kanae is going to do it.

Might be copium, but I think Kiara can get 10k or at least close tonight with her minecraft return.
Her 8k portal streams and HoloEN getting great MC numbers recently have given me false confidence. She's also starting nearer to EU primetime than usual.

https://youtu.be/FuR2CJIwTRM
>apology stream
so whats this about?

interesting graphs, fujos jumping ship+a close battle

>>23539877
>Strangely enough. No one is really shitting her down compare to Sana
Of course they're not. She had 33 streams in April and greatly overperformed both her branch in general and her whole region as a whole.

Just the thought of Indonesian streamers with 1k+ CCV and 200k+ subs is something that was unthinkable a couple of years ago.
IIRC it took Iofi crying about being left behind by Moona and Risu to boost her above that threshold at the end of 2020

Despite punching way above their weight the indonesian branch is just that, a smallish branch in a promising corner of the world

>>23541452
>13k for an anniversary
isn't that like buff content numbers for kanae, i guess people don't care that much if it's your 4th one already

>>23541481
So that's why Kanae start to have worm graph. Fucking chink fujos

>>23541070
>>23541112
Thanks for those anon, an absolutely better metric than the previous attempt

>>23541462
maybe if she starts talking about mamamori-in-law

>>23541481
>fujos jumping ship
They aren't. Mysta and Shoto stopped streaming the game and the CCV dropped. They're just chatting now and it's not related to Kanae starting.
I checked when they dropped because I thought he was done.

>>23541452
yeah, he's not looking like he'll get anywhere near 25k
at this point Miko has survived her slipping hazards against
>Suisei Apex
>Kuzuha
>Kanae 4th anniv
The last hazard is Toya starting his stream before midnight.
Can she do it brosssss??

>>23541481
Holy shit it's like it was mirrored. Well that explains where the worm came from.

>Miko isn't slipping with only 27k
Slow, weak day.

>>23541590
hey, chinman could start at 23:57 or some shit

>all the alternative metric
>only for hololive
Aren't these suppose to be used against Niji because of your CCV cope? Why are you pointing your sword at your own kind holofags?

>>23541628
*cums on you*

>>23541576
>Believe in Slipkochi
ngmi. Chinman gonna start at exactly 23:59 jst and get the gold. THIS WILL NOT SLIP

>>23541462
Too early. I feel like Kiara's biggest issue is her inconsistent scheduling. Her Portal streams were later in the day which let more of the NA audience filter in in addition to being a relative buff (I.e. Not hard debuffs like jrpgs or SS). I'm guessing 9K. Wouldn't be shocked if she beat 10K though

>>23541586
>it's like it was mirrored
>>23541557
>Mysta and Shoto stopped streaming the game and the CCV dropped. They're just chatting now and it's not related to Kanae starting.
Maybe some funnel from Mysta to Kanae? Wouldn't be too far fetched, specially in the smallish numbers these are moving from one another

>>23541164
It's the same for the like chart
Kyori is just crazy

>>23541476
most likely joke stream considering today indogs celebrates eid mubarak

>>23541628
i'll point my sword at you if get what i'm saying
*unzips duck*

>>23541628
what sort of weird begging, go tweet about it or something

>>23541628
Most of the metrics start with Hololive because there aren't anyone interested in making tools that measure it for other companies.
Now that vstats exists it is possible but without nijiblokes interested in contributing most stuff will be Holo only

>>23541476
My guess is ied content
She said about forgiving etc

>>23541061
this

>>23541671
>206

>>23541487
It's just by a bit, but Kaela's peak is higher than Zeta's peak today playing a neutral game at best.
There's no statistic where Kaela should be shat on except for subs, but hags always lag in subs.

In a hilarious turn of events, the super scuffed splatoon collab is now tied with her devour stream in views. Super weird considering how great that Devour collab was, between the game and the zatsu following it but I guess 4 pov + clips all across youtube took the attention than just the stream itself

>>23541758
>but hags always lag in subs
their loss, i love hags

>>23541673
is this why the last few threads was filled with ESL voxsisters to the brim?

I wonder if any of the male nijiENs or Shoto/Sunkenji are gonna collab with StarsEN.

>>23541628
>looking at alternative metrics = coping and attacking your own
what kind of mental illness is this?

>>23541807
Chinkfujos

>>23541823
NijiEN is impossible now that they have shown some sort of commitment towards the CN audience

>>23541823
Maybe if StarsEN are as isolated as Holostars are, because IIRC, even Ollie, the one who collabs with 3views and indies, hasn't collabed with NijiEN yet.

>>23541837
the mental illness in which people who make alternative metrics DON'T LABEL THEIR SHIT PROPERLY so it looks like an attack for schizos

>>23541487
>Just the thought of Indonesian streamers with 1k+ CCV and 200k+ subs is something that was unthinkable a couple of years ago.
You mean vtubers? Because Indonesian streamers can get that numbers easily. One youtuber that Kobo adores (she takes her persona from him) constantly peaked at 80k ccv.

Have any holos played the meme game Metal gear rising?

>>23541758
>There's no statistic
Bust size too large. Tits are a debuff.

>>23541900
>konami

Vtubers dominates the korean twitch scene now, even the CEO of isegye gets good numbers on the level of Faker, then there's light kronii getting good numbers reacting to content.

>>23541651
>some funnel
Kanae does have chink fujos, but I don't think he has enough who will create a notable funnel. His stream was still in the 10-20 min phase where growth is normal.
Vox didn't get any funnel from the 3k disappearing either so they just vanished into thin air the moment Mysta switched to his zatsu background.

>>23541758
I'd say that Doom is a confirmed debuff game, but Kaela getting over 2k for a neutral game at best is still really impressive

OH NO NO NO NO ZHANGBROS DON'T LOOK

>>23541931
twappi….

>>23541628
Chumkeks don't care about Hololive, only their reclining shark.
It's been proven time and time again.

>>23541792
I'm guessing recency bias, the algo just recommends the latest stream since Gura hasn't streamed.

>>23541948
No it's more neutral, 2k is zeta usual numbers

>>23541948
Doom is a fun game
Why is it a debuff?

>>23541897
>You mean vtubers
Of course. Mobage, sportsball and mestspace streamers of course greatly outrank weeb catgirls in that region

>>23541931
is that fucking Towa baby

>>23541948
Doom is a debuff game, but Zeta usually gets around 2k anyways. She didn't drop that much in an ep 2.
God I fucking hate it when Holos stream Doom. It's a trap game.

>>23541959
Holy SLIPPERS!

>two days have passed
>holo's bgm still not cut out
>still no Okayu's permission

>>23541931
KR is a mature market like JP and EN with no competition, the chance is getting bigger for Cover to open a branch there, but they need to do it fast because mature market depends on whoever dominate first.

>>23541931
Towa...

>>23541959
Voxson cute!!!!

>man loses his job in a recession
>his wife divorces him and finds a new man with a job
When you think of it
All women are prostitutes

>>23542000
Just because it's a fun game, doesn't mean it's a good stream game. Just look at Metroid, for example

>>23542000
HoloEN pulls dog numbers on it

Had Takamori/Guramei/Kronmei took off, would it be a bigger attraction for HoloEN? Unlike Luxiem gay ships, lesbo ships of vtubers are acceptable.

>>23542028
wtf is this? a leak?

>>23542000
too difficult for most streamers to be good at, and they usually die a lot

>>23542071
anonchama? numbers?

>>23542071
wrong board but i agree
that's why i watch fake women

>>23542071
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>23542071
anon?

>>23542024
If they were good at the game and jamming out to the soundtrack it'd be a buff, but basically everyone I've watched doesn't understand the most basic concepts of Doom (like they keep glory killing and asking why ammo wasn't dropping)

>>23542088
>Takamori
That ship STILL gets fanart to this day. It's far from dead

>>23540694
>>23540694
>>23540694
and the funniest thread of the day goes to...

>>23542090
transcript of stream

>>23541481
ohhh boy, is this the first tangible proof that nijien is stealing the nijijp (fujo) audience?

>>23541070
Are Aqua and Marine more popular than Peko and Miko?
You can't say it's cultural difference this time

>>23542071
Oddly specific anon, you ok?

>>23542071
>source next thread

>>23542143
it's not getting as much as it used to

>>23542071
Anon... I'm sorry for your lost

>>23542159
I'd say Aqua and Marine are more popular for their niches, while Peko and Miko are more popular to the general public.

>>23542071
oddly specific there anon, but then again have you seen fujos in this thread, that's woman without their mask to pretend

>>23542039
If they did a KR branch, they'd have to be invested in it. Koreans aren't going to watch something the main branch treats like 2nd class citizens like Niji treated their KR/ID branches.

>>23542206
Doesn't change the fact that Takamori still "took off" to the point that it's referenced in the Hololive anthem for the second HoloFes

>>23542088
>Unlike Luxiem gay ships, lesbo ships of vtubers are acceptable.
From what I've seen, Luxiem gay ships are more accepted by Luxiemfags than Holo lesbo ships by Holofags.
Most of us like Kronmei and AmeSame because They're funny and cute but we don't want them to actually make out, whereas Fujos would love for Vox to kiss Ike in the mouth on stream.

Have you ever seen straight ships of vtubers? It's really fucking weird.

>>23542088
Takamori was killed by complete lack of chemistry, yet fans for some reason liked this fake ship.
Guramei is too new and competes with Kronmei which biggest problem is Kronii autism.

>>23542261
Considering how Cover treats their ID branch, I'm sure there won't be any issue with the way the potential KR branch will be treated

>>23541959
imagine if he retweets this pic

>we just want to discuss numbers
>freak the fuck out when numbers are posted
Seriously what the fuck? Like you can think a nr is irrelevant but what's with this reaction. It wasn't a tally, it wasn't a "this shows x chuuba is the best".

>>23541959
World peace

>>23542159
its likes median anon, not a popularity ranking
someone who streams few and far between and have health issues or antis will get inflated likes from fans to show support or saviorfagging in general

>>23542296
I mainly see more friendship art of GuMei, and more ship art of KronMei. There's not much sexual tension between Gura and Mumei so shippers don't have much to latch on to

>>23542293
miComnetfags are reviled by 35p. Not sure about Hoshiyomi since I don't care about her.

>>23542341
>it wasn't a "this shows x chuuba is the best".
if you don't label your shit properly and show the relevant variables along, it looks like that to schizos

>>23542293
>They're funny and cute but we don't want them to actually make out
you sure about that anon?

>>23542028
Whose chat is this?

>>23542395
they are also reviled by hoshiyomis

MIKO GOLD
SHE DIDN'T SLIP TODAY
WHAT A FUCKING SLOW DAY HOLY SHIT

Miko GOLD btw

noto slipedu!

>>23542395
hoshiyomis hate everyone

>>23542159
>Peko
Debatable
>Miko
Yes

>>23542450
Is Miko losing her title of slip queen?!

>>23541043
I guarantee you that Koreans themselves will be split on HoloKR.
Remember how /jp/ was in flames after EN announcement and forced the split of hlg and hlgg?

Honestly what kind of bullshit is it that 4k people leave just because they start talking instead of playing the game? What kind of bullshit retention does Niji have? Especially since they didn't even funnel to anyone else. If it were a superchat reading I'd fucking understand but if they're talking to each other then what the fuck

>>23542451
Especially other hoshiyomis

Fuck you Pekora, you could've won a free gold today with Nyanco Daisensou.

>>23542480
No, niji is getting weaker and weaker

>>23542480
a 27k was fucking slip city, she got lucky as fuck today that everyone else died

>>23542315
considering they are going to face isegye there, a korean branch need their 3d asap.

>>23542558
>3d asap
lol, yeah, good luck with that. As long as Cover still has their autism with doing them in-house in Japan, that's not gonna happen any time soon

>Be shameless
>Incline
Ayamy mama has tapped into her hidden potential…

Zeta just got a love letter from a nip

>>23542558
the Twitch audience of Isegye is not going to care about HoloKR

possible?

>>23542608
this design
it awakens something in me
i have to

>>23542608
DOUBLE PEACE

>>23542501
Holos lose hundreds sometimes if they go to the washroom lol, some people are fucking weird.
Big Apex streamers lose thousands between rounds when everyone knows they're just going to queue up again in a few minutes.

>>23542530
today is still packed with 20ks
we have worse day where 1 low 20k won the day

>>23542261
Ugh, as an ex Niji ID fan, I know that feeling. I feel like they never invested much in ID. They started to invest in new costumes, live2d, and various projects just as they realize that they lost to Holo ID, who keeps on inclining while they reclined throughout 2021.

But so far Cover is different, they're trying hard to treat every branch on the same level. It's impossible, JP still and will be the main concern, but Holo ID definitely doesn't have the same discriminatory treatment that Niji ID received from the central management.

After 3 months Kroniis original is almost at 1m views. Abysmal performance for a first original

>>23542644
i think that just people alt tabbing in youtube, i might be wrong tho

>>23542159
Yes.

>>23542071
Uhm.... I guess this one is the correct board
>>>r9k

>>23542678
not really, people have a warped perception of music cause of the top music holos

>>23542678
It'll take longer for Fauna's lmao

>>23542616
Oh no Snow Red kun...

>>23542678
Wasn't there some issue where the Topic version got released 2 weeks early, too? That must've taken a lot of the wind out of its sails

>>23542678
she has a topic with another 283k

>>23542726
>Fauna
Will she ever?

Why the hell did Kanae's stream do so poorly? Do Niji fans just not give a shit about anniversary countdowns?

when is chinman starting so we can get the bar to beat for tomorrow

>>23542726
I hope it comes out soon. I really wanna know how they deal with Fauna's soulful singing

>>23542143
The u schizos know the ship is in hibernation, give them just the tiniest bit of fuel and they will come crawling out of the woodwork. Mori Euro vacation/off collab would do it

>>23542678
People already listen to Daydream for weeks since it got leaked on YouTube Topic. Also the song isn't that good either, so it lost a lot of replay value

>>23541112
what's with the 0s

>>23542678
>boring MV
>nepotism art commission that isn't as good as most of the fanart Kronii gets
>unloopable song
3 months isn't that bad, considering Botan's first original is still a few thousand away and it's been 8 months.
Lamy's original will probably take a year before it gets to 1 mil.

>>23542791
He already started.

>>23542786
Only chink care about these shit. The Niji tourist ain't got time for a fucking countdown

Speaking of orison, this single is really fujo oriented

>>23542801
There was a huge resurgence of fanart during April Fools when Kiara straddled Mori's unconscious body. So the fans are still there

>>23542678
Why do people always take this route when we’ve explained it like 15,000 times here?

Kronii’s song got delayed but the topic channel released the song to the public, 3 WEEKS before the official release. The hype of a song died from that because everyone already knew the song beforehand.

Also, 1M for an original is fucking great for Holos. Have you not seen Botan’s Orisong that’s about to hit 1M after… 8 months? 9 months? It’s not like these talents just get 1M clicks like it grows on trees.

>>23542828
months with fewer than 5 streams
I forgot to do it with the like chart

>>23542159
Peko and Miko EXPOSED for $11 users
maybe this explains the rift? does miko want to use viewfarms but peko thinks theyre too expensive?

>>23542791
I think the bar to beat tomorrow is Fuwa's announcement.
It's at 9k in 2 minutes.

>>23542879
That's numberrot for you. People are so used to Mori, Suisei and Marine getting 1M in mere days that anything less is seen as a disappointment

>>23542879
i insist people have a very warped perception of how music goes for the average "nonmusic" holo, because they just stare at like the top 5

>>23542874
My first thought is it really gay. But then I remember it's Kanae.

>>23542678
>Ever blue still stuck at 500k
My clussy...

>>23542658
The worst part about niji ID is that they don't get the advertisment the same as niji EN
Neither stream, merch, or even redebut is being retweeted in main nijisanji account

>>23542943
>>23542947
I've seen faggots try to push Marine's new song flopped already because it's Day 3 and 4 growth is slower than Q and CalliGura King.
It's crazy how many newfags we got in the past few months who have no sense of perspective.

>>23542931
fuwa is either leveling out or worming, and chinman got a 16k, but it's dropping as well, guess we're waiting for the shoot ups

>>23543021
I feel like you could make an argument that you would want it to perform better considering the money that went into it

>>23542879
I swear we need to make a "how to know you're being affected by numberrot" guide and put it in the op or something, this shit is getting insane

>>23543024
>6k waiting room
>9k in 2 minutes
>Plateauing already 5 mins in
Yeah I think it's worming because it doesn't make sense at all lmao

Seriously fuck Luxiem and this worm bullshit

>>23542658
>But so far Cover is different, they're trying hard to treat every branch on the same level.
Fired whole CN branch instead of maybe migrating them

>Holo ID definitely doesn't have discriminatory treatment
Central management tell ID1 who are interested in minecraft that they should just use JP server since it's pretty dead because they can't be bothered to give them exclusive server

>>23542879
Probably because Mumei and Baes originals actually performed.

>>23542501
My theory: tab outs. You don't need to see the screen for chatting vs watching them play the game. But I also wonder if Youtube filters people who leave and come back to streams in some way as an anti view farming measure. Some of the drops are hard to explain otherwise.

>>23542315
I'm pretty sure the KR branch ship has already sailed, since the market is fast approaching saturation and Cover is very likely focussing on EN3 and their Alt/Horror/Game projects right now.
All the staff that were recently recruited need to gel into the company proper before they can think of recruiting again, and if it's about monetary stuff, they are opening shipping to many places including Korea so they can still buy main holo merch if they want.
And honestly I don't think KR holo fever in on the level of early EN just yet.

>>23543078
So the worm has started affecting the NijiJP boys too, huh. Any explanation for why it's happening?

>>23543119
fujo friendly streams seem to cause it, if you don't want to go the paranoid route and accuse bots, it's pretty likely that it's something to do with vpns

>>23542608
ayamy has never had any shame

>>23543084
Honestly tho, there's no drawback of worming anyways because most worms end up inclining past the initial dip.
If HoloEN wormed, then we can see them get 6-7k in the first 2 minutes instead of needing to wait 30-40 mins for them to finally crawl there 100 viewers at a time because of Susan's stupid verification system.

>>23543090
Migrating HoloCN to where ? Taiwan ? You do realize they live in fucking China, and they are Chinese, right ?

>>23543109
holoKR will need to be on Twitch and knowing Cover they'll never do something like that

>>23543090
>Fired whole CN branch instead of maybe migrating them
anon they are an entertainment company not the fucking CIA, what did you expect them to do, airdrop into China and extract them like batman? Then set them up with a cover story and new identity in Japan?

>Central management tell ID1 who are interested in minecraft that they should just use JP server since it's pretty dead because they can't be bothered to give them exclusive server
That's actually good though, the only one who regularly plays minecraft in gen1 is Moona so if they had a server from the start it would just be a bunch of moona solo streams.

>>23543090
>migrating them
To where, fucking JP? And half of them were snakes, as proven later, and initially from their self-announcement PR disaster about them getting to keep their models.
> just use JP server
Which wasn't a bad idea at a time when HoloID was literally 3 people, and led to one of the best Holoarcs in Pekomoona.
Also notice how they made an ID only server after they got the confirmation of ID3.

>>23543109
Yeah, and they're probably focusing on opening up the StarsEN branch first too. If they're going to expand into any new markets, it would be after that branch debuts

>>23543090
>because they can't be bothered to give them exclusive server
Or maybe because at the time there was just 3 people and a whole server would just be dead as fuck?

>>23543162
So I guess this means we can't accuse Luxiem for botting anymore?

What if its Anykara themselves doing this whole worm shit? Its plausible no?

>>23543241
Not even 3 people because only Moona play Minecraft

>>23542875
Shippers both acknowledge and ignore that their ships are not rooted in reality, and this goes doubly so with vtubers where there is an extra step to the roommates. Takamori is it's own thing and each artists gets to enjoy their own head cannon with inspiration from "reality" which is actually anime girl avatars voiced by a people in an even higher order "reality". But then once in a while Kiara and Mori go on vacation, sleep in the same room, and get naked in the hot spring and Mamaloni nearly has a stroke. You just have to plant good seeds and with minimal watering you can get great fanart for years. Which is why it was a huge waste Gura and Ame couldn't throw their shippers a bone.

>>23542943
Yeah, and even then, in between Template being her fastest song to hit 1M, her Phony breathing down Chima's neck and all, Suisei's most recent cover still hasn't reached 1M after three weeks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9r6lFYK9SE

>>23543258
I'm calling you a fucking nigger right now, does that make you black ?

>>23543090
>Central management tell ID1 who are interested in minecraft that they should just use JP server since it's pretty dead because they can't be bothered to give them exclusive server
Holy newfag..

>>23543258
i honestly don't fucking know anymore, i'll always call bullshit when people with those medians can suddenly get those streams, but at the same time, it's really weird that it's happening to nijijp males and they are just getting their normal numbers, like kuzuha/chronoir got wormed in a couple of streams, but just got what they usually get

>>23543180
Heh, this explanation makes me remember of that news article where chinese parents almost destroyed some school that implemented better anti-cheat measures because their children wouldn't get into good schools without that advantage.

>>23543267
Speaking of GurAme, I actually see way more InAme fanart nowadays. Maybe it's just the fanartists I follow, but it is weird how popular InAme is considering they don't talk much

So what would more successful an all male HoloKR or an al female HoloKR branch

>>23543258
Worming has never been a convincing argument for botting before 90% of the time, they end up getting back to where they were before the dip. It's more likely a CCV viewer bug and the number of viewers never changed.
Botting accusations are when there's unexplainable random steep inclines like Vox's birthday getting 6k viewers out of nowhere and those 6k disappearing after 30 minutes.
I don't believe in botting btw.

>>23543258
Of course we can, the worm is just one of the signs but it's not even the most damning one.

>>23543369
HoloES

>Powerpro has been shown as a buff game for Koyori, Lui and MIko
>It's also another game that EN can't use.

Fucking Konami just localize the game. But then again I'm not sure if the EN viewers or even the Holomems would be interested on a Baseball game with RPG, VN and dating sim elements.

>>23543258
Most of that was shitposting anyways, but the graphs were definitely weird.
I wonder if the Fujos are hitting the main branch Nijis to throw us off their trail, since they seem to have a pattern of only doing stuff when they think we aren't looking.
> inb4 schizo
easiest example is that infamous Vox stream where everyone /here/ were expecting bots --> got disappointed --> moved on to other topics --> graph started spiking.

>>23543369
Hololive is built on the reputation of being CGDCT with streamers, so the most obvious answer is an all female branch. But you never know, a male KR branch could accidentally tap into a new market like what the NijiEN boys did

>>23543422
at this point, i only think games like minecraft are transferable as buff games, nips get buffs on the weirdest shit

>>23543300
it's an unpopular song, it has 100k views on YouTube and 400k views on NND

>>23543377
You have a very unsophisticated view of botting/viewfarming. The people selling and buying these services aren't idiots, they are at constant war with Youtube and other streaming services. Sharp spikes are too obvious and risk a ban. You can actually specify how you wants your views to come in, what percentage stick, etc. It's a fairly mature industry.

Also why the fuck would VPNs cause worming? And why only for certain events and certain streamers?

>>23543422
Will it really be a buff for EN? The rest of the world doesn't have the same level of autism Japan has for baseball

>>23543377
because it's not botting, the correct words is view farm, one random use multiple devices to boost views, heck in our election they use the same method,

>>23543377
> VPNs
that's pure cope mate, if the majority of their audience were using VPNs then EVERY stream would be showing the same pattern, not just celebrations.

Why was it flat for the first 6 minutes? That just seems bizarre.

>>23542782
She has one in the works with Shibuyan Records.

>>23543522
it probably started tracking late

Korosan actually hit 10k with this game damn

well, chinman is definitely winning over fuwa at this point, 29k peak so far

Chinman 29k peak. Might be the number to beat for tomorrow. Anything that could possibly dethrone it?

Toya 28k for tomorrow's gold floor
Today's gold had his stream started 5 minutes earlier

what was the earliest recorded worming

>>23543556
Pekora

>>23543517
>majority of their audience were using VPNs then EVERY stream would be showing the same pattern
https://vrabi.net/video/_KfkA41aI8U
https://vrabi.net/video/bx7NScxrV5I
https://vrabi.net/video/sVv-4WPygIw
https://vrabi.net/video/ITWAwLlTRrU
Vox worms almost every stream so it's not just celebrations.

https://vrabi.net/video/vSRUB8Lycq4
https://vrabi.net/video/2M_zHCyO-5c
https://vrabi.net/video/pZgaHN1TQP0
Ike had a shit peak for these streams and he still wormed.

>>23543090
Anon, did you forget that HoloID only have 3 people back then and Iofi had motion sickness so she can't play for long while Moona had never play Minecraft before ? They were right not to give them a server

>>23542981
I've been saying from the day they announced the merger that the move was done to kill the ex ID livers slowly. Anycolor wants them to graduate but they do not want to anger the ID fanbase (current and future potential), in case they want to go back someday with a new format.

>>23543556
Mio is doing the special edition asamios for golden week again (the morning voice totsus), those got 30ks last year, however i don't know about this year

Fuwa will have a live with Akina

Should do well. Female lives are rarely that big but a male live should have some numbers.

>>23541959
Is it really possible for a Taiwanese girl and a Chinese boy to be in a relationship?

>>23543677
An irl live or a 3D live?
I'll be curious to see what CCV those two can get for a 3D live.

>>23543556
Mio's morning totsu
last year she peaked 36k with Miko baby voice
1st day may be weaker but 30k+ guaranteed

Who the fuck is chin man?

>>23543711
3D live it seems.

Still wondering what happened to Rion's live that she promised in January...

>>23543677
Both of them are huge in Niji so I would expect like 80k at least

>>23543744
Kenmochi Toya from NijiJP, the lolicon dude

>>23543677
It's just the two of them?

>>23543552
>>23543556
>>23543565
Something I always forget about Kenmochi is that his VODs are crazy good too.
Not many vtubers can say they get 300k on most of their VODs, especially when most of his streams are 1-2 hours long.
>827k Needy Streamer Overload
jfc

>>23542293
i'd be totally fine with some lesbo makeout, but I'm not gonna sperg about it like vox shippers do.

>>23543639
Miko confirmed to be participating tomorrow morning. i'd say about 30k - 40k

>>23543612
The last Luca karaoke was the same. WTF you want to increase 10k when he got around 22k just to get 36k and then decrease . The definetely paid a lot to keep his number around 30k when it start to decreasing to soon

>>23543830
He's definitely a top tier streamer. How do Kenmochi's vods compare to Kuzuha?

>>23543556
Holox collab in official channel n probably will have announcement about new outfits/3d

>>23543744

>>23543932
oh right, i forgot about that, however, holox unity has been on the fucking floor lately, don't think they have too much pull as a group

>>23543744
a based man

>>23543932
I'll still call bullshit if they get 3D before IRyS

>>23543847
It's not like thumbnail already spoils it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM8yQuDq8YU

>>23543830
Niji's version of Ayame

>>23543517
>EVERY stream would be showing the same pattern
Vox's lowest debuff content still worms

>>23543422
i'd actually be interested, but it would be very niche yes.

>>23543942
Kek more like Babirusa man

>>23543932
>holox 3D
Time to prepare for seethe. Not that I don't feel for ID2/Council and IRyS in particular but the precedent of JP being their own queue was set.

>>23543966
Anon, IRyS predicament is the same one of Nene
>won't get 3D before fixing her base model
I wouldn't doubt if Council gets 3D before IRyS, even with the later living in Japan

>>23543916
Hard to compare them directly because Kuzuha streams really long hours sometimes and his CCV isn't as consistent as Kenmochi's. There's no doubt Kenmochi gets a lot of VOD growth too, whereas Kuzuha streams a lot more so less growth for individual VODs.
Kuzuha is also in that club where he usually clears 300k too, but his shorts have been shit recently.

>>23543979
uhhh, isn't the pull literally just miko, noel/chloe are maybes and rbc and matsuri are bleh

Chinman 31k

How much does Patra usually get for ASMR? 10k?

>>23544005
Are they really fixing her model? She was just talking about how Nodoka looks more like an idol than her. If she was getting an updated model, she wouldn't bring that up

>>23543966
Irys will never be the priority of cover anon. Wheres her new outfit???

>>23544011
>10 hours of fucking baseball
i always forget how fucking long king goes sometimes

>worms don't happen until Luxiem shows up
>Still only happens to just niji boys
>This isn't questionable at all

>>23544041
around 17k

>>23544021
>Call Matuli early in the morning
>Some guy pick up and said she still asleep, please call later.
CCV will blast through the roof.

>>23544041
As a floor for her ASMR's, it can go as high as 18k though

>>23544049
ya, there's basically no reason for cover to not give irys a new year's outfit when council got one. her default model's going to be nene'd

>>23544041
16-17k is the usual these days

>>23543851
Luca's karaoke had an 18k waiting room so I'm not sure why you're surprised he ended up with a big number. This doesn't even look as fucked as Sonny and Vox's karaokes.
https://vrabi.net/video/rrm9OWgSTV4

>>23544049
If they want to fix her, doesnt it depends on the artist aswell. Dont think redjuice will try to redraw her

>>23543987
Kek

>>23543987
he's more like Marine at this point

>>23543300
>he doesn’t know that song is so unpopular that the og song only has 70k views on youtube before she covered it.

>>23544093
I think she'd be happy rather that depressed if that were true, unless her redesign is actually shit. She's seemed depressed as of late.

>>23544005
IRyS gonna have to wait till Holofes 4 then. Only 10 more months!

>>23544120
Will there be any backlash if Cover gives IRyS a new artist if Redjuice doesn't want to redraw her?

>>23544120
man fuck redjuice. can't even be bothered to draw IRyS for her birthday

>>23544169
i honestly think no one would care at this point, everyone knows irys hates it and redjuice doesn't do shit

>>23544168
Jesus. By that point, EN3 would get 3D before IRyS

>>23544185
https://twitter.com/shiru/status/1505554313778642946 (two weeks late)

>>23544169
No, because fuck him. He has 1 fucking job, and he failed horribly at it.

>>23544111
This is normal and I can put even the NijiEN girls if you want

>>23544093
no doubt, but it feels like redjuice is unwilling to redo, which is why its taking so long, cause they have to go for another artist. I expect the change to be fairly dramatic, and also for redjuice to never be hired again (not that he needs it). I feel really bad for Irys having to deal with this

>>23544208
>>23544232
Yeah, but Nip autism about contracts. Redjuice fans would get pissed at Cover for being unprofessional, right?

>>23544093
IRyS case is different from Nene
where all Nene needed was a simple outfit
IRyS is much more like Miko they have to rework and build another model from the ground up

>NIJI GOLD
NIJI GOLD
>NIJI GOLD
NIJI GOLD
>NIJI GOLD
NIJI GOLD

>>23542967
Pastel teatime..

>>23544216
Two weeks late is almost worse than nothing. Benign indifference is fine but when compared to Nabi, Huke, Kuroboshi, Asangi etc it looks particularly rough

>>23544212
ID2 actually got more fucked in the end in that regard. They only debut a few months after Myth and they have to wait an additional year. They’re gonna hit 2 year anniversary without 3D

>>23544111
Since when that 2 spikes increase is normal in karaokes now?? The only ones who do that are always On Luxiem and some Noctyx

>>23544057
That's not even that crazy compared to him during the first week of Elden Ring
>6 11-hour VODs in 2 weeks
The other VODs were just ones he split into 2 because he needed to eat or something.

King is just built different.

>>23544111
>>23544241
Here, let me help

>>23544216
>>23544185
Please understand that Redjuice is a washed-up artist that manages to survive because of Guilty Crown's success.

>>23544168
>>23544208
>i honestly think no one would care at this point, everyone knows irys hates it and redjuice doesn't do shit
AZKi got three base models including one by a completely different artist (because the OG fucking died IIRC)

There is nothing preventing either IRyS or Cover from simply commissioning a new one, there is even precedent

>>23544276
nene's a remodel. no way that shit took like a year for a simple outfit change

>>23544169
No, if she is happy with the new design then no one would care who design her

>>23544330
You forgot one important thing anon. Azki is JP branch and IRyS is EN.

>>23544057
That's not even that crazy compared to him during the first week of Elden Ring
>6 11-hour VODs in 2 weeks
The other VODs were just ones he split into 2 because he needed to eat or something.

King is just built different.

>>23544330
There's not nothing, JP artists going schizo over minor perceived slights is pretty common. It has to be handled delicately

>>23543549
I just got home from work, Mr.Koro streams absolute garbage. Based doog improves my day everytime, this happens, and they say there is no EU holo.

>>23544386
>Azki is JP branch
No she wasn't, she was treated as an even worse red-headed stepchild, being from Inonaka and all that.

>>23544169
>>23544270
I think this concern is one of the reasons its taking so long, but it should be obvious that that is their path forward what with the costume delays. It might be that they simply are forced to run out the clock on the contract.
>>23544276
wonder what miko's og papa is doing now, he or she really missed their chance.

>>23544306
It's not normal for most vtubers, but we already know Luca and NijiEN males worm a lot and that's what the first dip is. They worm on regular streams so I don't see why a karaoke would be different.

https://vrabi.net/video/0yUvt7LmXXs
Nagao is a recent worm victim and he's a 2-3k shitter most days. Are chink fujos botting his 3D debut too? He actually had multiple dips.

>>23544208
No one in the EN sphere would give a damn but drama sisters. JP schizos are something else. It may be worth taking the L on IRyS than to ruin artist good will.

>>23541425
can I see the explanation? Interested to see the takes

>>23544321
Always a mountain and then decrease or keep but that depends and never 2 spikes out of knowhere fighting with youtube algorithm. Chinks are awful to hide that like it was nothingburger, but that won't happen we always reported them

>>23544548
>we always reported them
>we
Good luck anon

why is the thread so peaceful now, it's really nice

>>23544526
For short:
>MotoGP but it's raining
>They get a real rain shaman to ward off the rain
>It worked for the 1st day
>Meme up the ass
>ID3 happens
>Kobo is also a rain shaman
>Meme chemical reaction
>Big Indog Youtuber react about her

>>23544623
Horse race was decided.

Bout to see shu pull some worm shit, ikuzo

>>23544623
no raid from seething chink fujo

>>23544520
I don't think NijiJP gonna ignore that if happen a lot later. Chinks hate hololive thats for sure but to use NijiJP to cheat it won't end well and it could be even worse is Japan notice that even more

>>23544520
Speaking of Nagao, his streams before and after his 3D debut have been worming and looking all fucked up too, despite low numbers.
https://vrabi.net/video/10sMtCr-svk
https://vrabi.net/video/a7XexI3h2rA
https://vrabi.net/video/-VNlYTjOFxg

>>23544508
A contract should last a year at the very least. So hopefully something will happen by July

>>23544520
That graph is suspicious a fuck. I don't know if it is chink fujos but let's put it this way: if it were 100% confirmed the streams were botted somehow, on a scale of 1-10 how surprised would you be? I think most people would shrug their shoulders and say, "yeah, no duh". Would you actually be surprised?

>>23544168
that's actually a good pont in that if they don't have it ready prior to Holofes 4 its going to look bad on them with the EN fans regardless of the circumstances. I think if its contract issues that are the limiting time factor here they will probably use whatever exit clause the contract has and pay the damages of breaking the contract off one-sidedly to expedite things before that becomes an issue. Hopefully it won't be one

>>23544623
it's midnight in china

>>23544330
Actually IRyS and Oga, IMO, share exact same three problems that greatly handicap them

>unnatural skin tone
>unnatural style (instead of "anime like")
>unnatural "appendage" (the odd shaped horn)

Maybe anons will disagree but IMO all of these are a major debuff for the model.

Wait.. I've been at work all day, Miko won the day with 27k?

>>23544788
Yes

>>23544775
Here is the contrast between those two and their more traditional counterparts.
It's like that
>people may not like it but that's what peak performance looks like
but for vtuber model

>>23544775
The horns shouldn't be a massive debuff. Coco's horns looked just as weird as IRyS, and she was still popular

>>23544775
Idk, Oga looks really handsome and sexy to me. Also I found IRyS model to be very cute, except her angry impression, that's the only think ugly about her model

>>23544833
Why do people hate "Fuck handles"?

>>23541758
Karla 2.5k get

>>23544820
Is Roberu really that traditional? He has a very unique shading style that makes him stand out next to other V-Tubers

>>23544386
Also Hololive was smaller back then and didn't have to worry about the negative effects of upsetting artists.

>>23544746
It's viewfarm. View farm could easily explain the spike up. And because it technically also using VPN so it makes those sharp drop

There's something really pathetic about even Shu going to celebrate his birthday in Asian timeslot. Like these guys have 0 respect for their committed timeslot fans, they will just dump them for the chink money when it comes time to celebrate.

>>23544926
She was at 2.7k before when playing level 3

>>23544749
Personally I don’t think Cover really gives a shit even if IRyS is kicking up a storm behind the scenes. Past cases has already shown that they have a tendency to even tell their top talents “well, tough shit”.

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>24,044: Mori (Hololive)
>21,148: Mori (Hololive)
>16,145: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>15,878: Shu (Nijisanji)
>12,282: Shu (Nijisanji)
>11,160: Amelia (Hololive)
>9,205: Ina (Hololive)
>9,191: Vox (Nijisanji)
>6,470: Fauna (Hololive)
>5,541: Amelia (Hololive)

Could nijien simply have triggered the algorithm and spread a CCVid like thing in their viewers, that then gave the worm to nijijp?

>>23544466
> 12k now
based EUbros joining in

>>23544981
How the hell is Kaela doing almost double her normal ccv on this game?

>>23544968
>asian timeslot
It's 1am in Japan, 12am in China and 12 pm in EST. Shu is American and his schedule is usually all over the place anyways.

>>23541487
Kaela has great work ethic, atleast she's not a lazy fucker like sana

>>23545010
EN GOLD SO FAR FOR MAY

1. Luca (Nijisanji) - 36,567 (Unarchived Karaoke)
2. Mori (Hololive) - 24,044 (Chat & Introduction w/Mama Mori)

Hololive - 1
Nijisanji - 1
Others - 0

>>23545028
cute kaela noises and frustration noises

>>23544833
>The horns shouldn't be a massive debuff.
I agree and there are even bigger horns in the roster, like LaPLus for instance

But in IRyS case it's the mismatch of style between her and the whole rest of the company added to the weird double horns and her unnatural skin tone that debuffs her

It's not a single thing, it's the stacked debuffs

>>23545039
Dude please, this is like a couple of hours later than when vox does his celebrations, and not shus timeslot

>>23545072

>>23544968
Almost every NijiEN "EN" fans are clips watcher. I saw multiple comments about how there're so much shit going on in every NijiEN stream after Luxiem debut aka VC, impromptu collab etc... that they won't bother watch live anymore. Instead they switching to clips or try to catch some VODs. That's explain the sudden boom of NijiEN clip recommendations.

>>23545001
I think they do care. They finally gave Flare a new base outfit, after all. But they're also very cowardly and don't want to rock the boat too much, so they usually tell their talents they can't do it. And unless the girls actually push hard against them (Marine, Suisei), they won't put more effort into it

>>23544944
The fuck is this VPN narrative? How? Why? People watching streamers with VPN is nothing new, someone what to explain why it would cause 10K+ drops and rises? Is theory that they VPNs expire or something then they all reconnect, every 5-10 minutes?

>>23545039
So who pray tell do you think is watching this? Americans? Europeans? Or you know.. just night owl asians, their main demographic

>>23544968
why is it pathetic to stream in a timeslot that your fanbase prefers?

>>23545039
>12am in China
>Right when the day changes
So he is celebrating his birthday based on Chink time. Thanks for confirming.

>>23544888
i don't want my hands cut off while fucking

>>23545010
Shu has the "third" Birthday Celebration stream now.
Lmao

>>23545165
The VPN thing is a ruse from their fans to try and cope with the fact that they are obviously being botted.

>>23544935
Roberu is distinct done right, thats why hes perfect for NTR edits

>>23545203
Get the money yo
Dollar dollar

>>23545203
Holy fuck

That one statement one Anon made becomes more and more true every day.

"NijiEN is what happens when Mel Brooks make a parody film on the vtubing industry"

>>23545266
Nijinigger behavior

>>23545165
No not the VPN but the ViewFarm. Because all of the device are in the same building using the same internet, it might be easier for YouTube to detect those IPs and that could somehow explain the sharp drop. But if that's true, then Luxiem channel will be fuck hard by Youtube in the future

>>23544775
>unnatural "appendage" (the odd shaped horn)

You reminded me of a indie who removed her horns
Then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z02LuU3c_Uk
Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tr0F3Tq1oE

>>23544935
>Is Roberu really that traditional?
You are referring to the illustration technique, my point is more on the
>human to creature
axis.

Contrast with Oga and think from the perspective of a girl buying a daikimakura or a purse accessory with their models in it

>>23545356
That looks like a big hat rather than horns. I can see why people would get distracted by them

You might not like it but this is what peak stacked debuff looks like

didn't even worm downwards lol

>>23545028
The rhythm game she is playing is good. Not too hard, but also not easy. It's not making her look bad, and the autism energy Kaela radiate is really funny.

>>23545001
yes and no, they don't have an obligation to say yes to whatever the talents want to try re: event streams, or getting specific game perms, but they do have an expectation of relatively keeping up on outfit updates and such, especially for big events. Not keeping up on that can fuck with talent morale, group dynamics, and basically make a real mess for management, kinda like when Luna's outfit wasn't ready for holofes 2. If its not ready by Holofes I'd expect at least a public statement and apology from management, along with alot of embarrassment as Irys performs as cardboard.
Else there would be a big flame on them for not including her that wouldn't be forgotten, and could potentially end in her graduating due to management neglect, which leads to a bigger problem of talent morale dropping and angry fans. Its worth shitting on redjuice and drawing the ire of his fans to avoid that.

>>23545441
I gotta say, I kinda hate how they keep trying to get more and more complex when it’s usually the simple ones that end up being the best.

>>23545203
I hope one day HoloEN will get enough people that an EN can do a 7 hour birthday, 10 member collab marathon like Shu did yesterday. I swear, half of NijiEN is just on standby most days.
>literally 10 people on 1 valorant POV
How did this stream not get 20k wtf

>>23545203
And?

>>23545441
>no kiara with an extra loud voice and her volume turned up higher than the rest
Not even close to debuffed to the peak

>>23544074
lol

>>23545473
funnel? what's the reason for that sharp incline? sus

>>23545554
Vox ended it seems

>>23545262
NTRoberu is the bro that could NTR you if he wanted, but desperately tries to avoid doing so....

>>23545554
yeah vox ended

>>23545512
For nijien going to NA time is the equivalent of Holoen going to EU time. Think full myth collab 19k on Kiara's channel tier debuff

>>23545203
Why NijiEN celebrate birthdays like the Amerimutt celebrate Christmas?

>>23545473
>>23545554
The stall at 8k is likely the worming. The jump from 8k to 10k was from Vox (7k) and Mysta (4k) both ending at the same time.

>>23545356
kek, speaking about "unnatural appendage" this reminds me how much Kiara was improved by getting rid of her "double hat".

If she got rid of her chicken voice she could easily double her audience overnight

>>23545539
That’s not even on Kiara but the one mixing the volume (assuming it’s not her POV). Reminds me of when Mumei had Mori on her POV and she maxed out her volume and ignored chat who told her she was too loud.

>>23545645
>double
Lol

>>23545606
Looks like the funnel prevented the early dip.

>>23544306
its not normal and we all know it, it reeks of bullshittery

>>23545606
Actually curious if this is a full on raid from vox/mysta or if they never mentioned it and people moved over

>>23545645
Yeah, the new outfit is basically her default now.

>>23545645
Kiara is a fucking bizarre entity. Is it because she commit to her Hololive role so much ? Her RM voice also turn into a chicken now

So is their any Holo EN who would get a buff by streaming during JP prime time that don't really stream that much in that time slot ?

>>23545645
Another MAJOR improvement on Kiara model was getting rid of those disgustingly greasy chicken thighs she used to hold.
>Damn bitch, finish eating first
was my reaction every time I tuned into her channel earlier in her career

>>23545868
>me time that don't really stream that much in that time slot ?
Gura and that's unironically because the tourists wouldn't be culled.

>>23545057
kys

Chinman just lost 15k viewers mid-game and his stream isn't even buffering.
Susan please.
https://vrabi.net/video/2jX_F8RRPG0

>>23545867
>Her RM voice also turn into a chicken now
>now
Nah, she's one of those whose voice changes when they're either excited or trying to speak above the level of noise in the room

I recall one interview she gave in a convention way before her current role and it was the same chicken voice, likely because she was trying to speak over the nightclub level of ambient sound

>>23545936
The bots ran out!!!!!!

Jokes aside yeah this is most likely Susan fuckery.

>>23545645
If that left form was her original and she used her regular voice she would've been such a success...

>>23545868
Gura obviously

>>23545936
The one unaffected by this is Shu.
SUSAN IS A FUJO THAT BOTS LUXIEM STREAMS!

>>23544775
Oga is not really debuff, oga design really apeal to females tho. While irys is just ugly especially in l2d

>>23545936
something whack happened, probably something local

>>23546058
Oh you weren't kidding, everyone but Shu got hit by it. Could be a JP only thing though

>>23545936
if its not buffering its not on susan's