/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

You're 4 months late to the fact that Luxiem is watched by Chinese women.

I honestly dunno how people think girls get disgusted by their simps. Just the thought of being the target of that crazy menhera bitch's lust in that image is getting me harder than a rock. I wanna go ball deep into her and threaten to take my dick out and never see her again unless she screams that Taiwan is it's own country at the top of her lungs, cum, and then leave before the CCP secret police show up to "interrogate" her.

>>23512052
I don’t get whats wrong with this? he’s successful, popular and swimming in money

>>23512329
More like a year late, NijiEN's been courting the CN market since Obsydia and arguably Gen1 Lazulight

>>23512913
Nothing. It’s just that idiots always have to butt in and say “China is le bad!”

>>23513132
Lazulight was definitely an attempt to just peel off HoloEN viewers. Obsydia you have an argument for because of Petra, but it was really Luxiem that started the boom.

>>23513205
>China is le bad!

Yes. Yes they are.

>>23512913
Because China is bad

why would we care? hes still making money lmfao good for him. it has nothing to do with us

>>23513205
China is bad, unironically.

>>23513205
>China is le bad!
Agreed

>>23513670
Their money allowed him to be able to move out and finally be comfortable and sing songs loudly and not bother anyone due to not showering or cleaning his room because hes focused on his hyperfixation of FNAF

>>23513205
>China is le bad!

like yeah no shit

Current fujos gonna complain if he streams less on youtube and mainland fujos gonna complain if he streams very little on bili2 all while normalfag chinamen asking literally "who?" if they see this on the frontpage of bili2. By the way being a faggot in China is actually against the law, no joke.

>>23513205
It is.

>>23515291
disgusting

>>23514857
Er, why can't he just multistream to both YT and bili2?

>>23514857
What are the chances one of the CPC higher ups catches their daughter rubbing carpet to him and uncompanies Niji?

>>23515484
That would be a bad move, his audience will view that as him splitting his attention and basically cheating on them.

>>23515587
Seriously?

>>23515648
yeah, either way its a lose-lose. only /vt/ shitposters win

>>23513205
everything about China, their culture, people, hygiene, contamination, customs, environment, justice system, health care, censorship, economy, beliefs, is shit, that's no joke or a meme, just investigate a little faggot

>>23512406
It gets old extremely quick. Especially if you're not just a man whores and are trying to provide something.
Imagine working your ass off to be a singer, you train daily, spend thousands on lessons. And not a single bitch cares because all she cares about is that you're famous and that makes you hot.
And even if she says she likes your singing you have no idea if she's full of shit or not because the masses of whores out there are just saying anything because theyre desperate cows pining for the latest hot thing.

>>23516188
You know it's bad when more people hate China than the US

>>23515484
Pretty sure it's against monetization policy. At least on twitch you're not allowed to upload to YouTube for a full 24 hours after streaming if you're partnered.

>>23516358
That's a twitch partner policy. I find it hard to believe there's an equivalent policy for bili2.

>>23516196
All of this projection has nothing to do with Vox who openly says his female fans devotion to him turns him on and that the only thing he wanted in life was to feel like people could rely on him, which is what his unit mates and friends in Nijisanji provide for him

>>23516516
I assume YouTube has a similar one.
But idk YouTube or b2 stream policies.

Outside of that I imagine it sucks extra because that's double the bandwidth and it's harder to keep track of both chats in addition to other donations and everything else. It just exponentially adds on.

>>23516607
Dude he sounds like a literal sex pervert.
I give him 7 months before a metoo happens.

Who gives a shit.
This thread is just /pol/ flags using vtubers for their retarded proxy wars because they're fucking obsessed.
Literal nobody gave a shit when the Holo girls streamed there, but now its bad because they can't thanks to the retarded dragon whore.

>>23516981
>no one gave a shit until we got first hand evidence why it's a terrible idea to pander to that market
Fool me once...

>>23517047
Don't mention Taiwan.
Literally all the dumb dragon had to do.

>>23516763
Why are you in a thread about a vtuber you know nothing about, writing fanfiction? He does sexual asmr often

>>23517149
this post smells like bat soup

>>23517149
I'm sure that's the only topic that'll ever set off the thin skinned bugs.

>>23517149
She's American dumbass. Here in the West whenever Texans or Catalonians threaten secession we mock them and make Polandball memes on /int/. You can't blame her for bugbrains having no sense of humour.

>>23517149
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people

>>23517307
Worked for an Asian company

>>23512052
I really want someone to sing this copypasta. The repetition of 'I have been begging for thousands of years in front of the Buddha' as well as its weirdly abstract character gives the whole thing a songlike quality.

>>23512913
Success breed JEALOUSY

Why the fuck are mainland chinese so goddamn thin skinned

>>23517323
...and that answers that lol

So glad companies are moving their manufacturing out of china - makes it so much easier to avoid chinese goods

>>23517356
So it's Cover's responsibility to inform their talents.
Still does not disprove the fact that zhangs have no sense of humour with this >>23517323
as evidence. It's just the name of a fucking island, why do y'all chimp out?

>>23517149
First off.
Yes Taiwan is a country.
Second, nobody outside of China gives a fuck. Don't lust for our dicks then cry when we don't have the same delicate sensibilities.
Third. Coco didn't bring up Taiwan. She brought up YouTube statistics which happened to include Taiwan and was in no way a political statement outside acknowledging they exist.

>>23517149
Or the wumaos could just get over themselves.

>>23516981
>Who gives a shit.
>This thread is just /pol/ flags using vtubers for their retarded proxy wars because they're fucking obsessed.
>Literal nobody gave a shit when the Holo girls streamed there, but now its bad because they can't thanks to the retarded dragon whore

I see the coco simps are out in full force.

>>23517908
>I see the coco simps are out in full force.

>>23517908
you're minority here chink

Hololive will always be the better company because they had the balls to cut off China completely

>>23517908
I actually hated Coco. She has a cringe ass mickey mouse voice and was peak normie.
But it was perfect evidence for why pandering to China is a terrible idea. To be honest I'm actually glad Vox is doing this because it is 100% going to blow up in nijien's face.

>>23518043
>you're minority here chink

>>23518076
>Hololive will always be the better company because they had the balls to cut off China completely

>Vox literally draining Chynuh of wealth and subverting thier already relatively small female population into becoming broken branch colonization fetishists
>this is apparently a bad thing because China bad???

Haven't watched one second of his stuff but this nigga seems pretty based to me ngl

>>23516302
You are stupid. China is garbage but at least they aren't turning kids into faggots and force other nations to hold their pozzed and antiwhite ethnic replacing rhetoric.

>>23514857
>By the way being a faggot in China is actually against the law, no joke.
Uhh Nijibros? I thought anykara was a progressive ally?

>>23518220
>You are stupid. China is garbage but at least they aren't turning kids into faggots and force other nations to hold their pozzed and antiwhite ethnic replacing rhetoric

>>23518220
Shut up chink, play reparations

>>23518228
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033687586/china-ban-effeminate-men-tv-official-morality
Not even joking. One instance of any of these homos licking their mic or doing gay shit WILL get them in trouble

>>23517556
Not really, nobody should have to tiptoe around the truth. Taiwan is it's own country (also known as true China) and the glory stealing, mutinous CCP currently occupying the country are pieces of shit who killed more Chinese than they killed Japanese soldiers.

>>23518228
>>By the way being a faggot in China is actually against the law, no joke.
>Uhh Nijibros? I thought anykara was a progressive ally

>>23516302
Just because western media is more powerful. Also a lot of the things that you think are bad about China is west imposed horseshit. "Oh muh gay rights and gender blah blah blah" fuck off. China is a civilization thousands of years old. A bunch of degenerate amerimutt faggots are not going to tell them how to run their country.

>>23518390
>Not really, nobody should have to tiptoe around the truth. Taiwan is it's own country (also known as true China) and the glory stealing, mutinous CCP currently occupying the country are pieces of shit who killed more Chinese than they killed Japanese soldiers

>>23518462
>civilization thousands of years old
Until Mao pressed Delete Chinese Culture.exe

>>23518462
>Just because western media is more powerful. Also a lot of the things that you think are bad about China is west imposed horseshit. "Oh muh gay rights and gender blah blah blah" fuck off. China is a civilization thousands of years old. A bunch of degenerate amerimutt faggots are not going to tell them how to run their country.

>>23518369
So this is actually unrelated.
Effeminate men is a different thing, but actual homosexual is technically illegal albeit unenforced.
As a /u/fag its annoying because periodically they'll Crack down on the gay shit in China because it's illegal and the Chinese artists have to cancel/nuke their shit if it's getting too close.
There's still a big market though since for the most part the government doesn't care, but its one of the many technicalities they can swing around when they feel like punishing people.

>>23518462
>China is a civilization thousands of years old
oh you don't want to pull this card
It will not end well for you

>>23513281
Enna, Petra, and Selen are Chinese and they speak Mandarin and Canto respectively. I remember when Obsydia debuted /vt/ dubbed them NijiCN.

>>23518681
Enna is Chinese as well and actually speaks it. I dont think selen is actually capable of speech she just knows a few words.
Petra is just extremely smart and talented and is honorary japanese.

Taiwan has never been a country and never will be. Soon uncle Xi will reintegrate this rouge province and all you will seethe.

>>23518647
>source: Wikipedia screenshot
I'm not that anon but come on.

>>23518462
I think your country is brainwashing you anon...

ksoniggers in denial

>>23518760
I'm not complimenting them, chinkoid. I'm saying Niji has been preparing the China market for their EN talent well before Luxiem.
>>23518863
Death to Xi and his entire politburo.

>>23518865
cope harder bugboy

>>23518863
You're going to end up like Russia in Ukraine, zhang

>>23518863
Pls do attack taiwan i want to enlist and bayonet a bugman in the face

>>23518390
hey faggot if taiwan wanted to be its own country maybe jiang jieshi shouldn't have spent his entire life losing to broke ass chinese peasants while being backed by the united states

>>23518647
Eating bugs is Chinese culture

>le china bad china bad china bad pls stop china
>they btfo´d orange dragon china bad

Bets on what yab is gonna happen first? I like the one posted by the anon above about some official's daughter getting caught schlicking and shit goes to 11 lmao

>>23519084
Being eaten by bugs is also their culture.

>the new sino-japanese war will be instigated by the holo-niji divide

>>23519320
kek

>>23519157
>china bad
Agreed

I don't watch Niji apart from Selen and Rosemi. But this entire thing does bother me that some kind of yab will leak into the other Niji streamers If they say something "wrong" while collabing with Vox.

>>23517149
Ask him what he thinks of Christopher Robin

>>23516981
Holobronies think everyone should be like there company even though Cover initially wanted to keep doing business with China, hence releasing an apology and suspending the girls. Now that they got kicked out they expect other companies/vtubers to also follow them out because....well just because okay!?!?

>>23516302
More people that you know of hate China than the US, you mean? I mean China has a huge, America-hating population, so they're already way ahead in terms of numbers. Plus the US has actively fucked over way more people across the globe whereas China is just soft power and hasn't outright bombed anyone. Yet.
Plus most people who hate China hate the US two. Both countries are kinda cunts.

We /pol/ now

>>23520354
always have been

/qa/ lost
HoloCN doesn't exist
Nijisanji is gay and chinked

>>23518647
Anon this just makes the chinks look hardcore.

>At this time, Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city for the country wholeheartedly. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I can't cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?" All the soldiers cried, and they did not want to eat. Zhang Xun ordered them to eat the flesh. Afterwards, they caught the women in the city.

Holy fucking based.

>>23517149
Haachama also said 'Taiwan' and actually showed the flag, which is something Coco didn't do. Cover suspended her alongside Coco, but the chinks themselves didn't really do anything to her. Gura, Miss #1 herself, showed the flag, said 'Taiwan', and even placed it on the map. Again, chinks did nothing. Hell, less than nothing, there was comments on bilibili DEFENDING her. it was actually the taiwanese who were being fucking retards about that one. Pretty sure you can probably find other videos of holos saying 'taiwan' and nothing happening to them (or maybe you can't, because again, nothing happened, and it's something so insignificant that there's no reason to clip it). And then you get Coco, who was spammed constantly for almost a year, was effectively unpersoned and never included in events or collabs, because anybody who mentioned, interacted or even referenced her would get spammed, and even when she finally had enough and quit, they just started spamming Fubuki instead. All of this, because she read the word 'taiwan' out loud.

>>23521707
Good thing 7k drowned in Jingguang

The only thing America did wrong was not letting Macarthur off the leash in Korea

>>23520917
This is the kind of behavior I would expect from some random tribe in Africa.

>>23512052
>turning into a werewolf
What

>>23521311
>ARS
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>23512052
>I turned into a werewolf For you
At this point I don't even want to understand what that's supposed to mean.

>>23512052
i wrote that. im a 6'2 male dutch librarian

>>23524455
t. woman during a siege

>>23524455
chinks are barely above africian tribes, so that's not surprising

The yab will not come in the form of over nationalistic mainlander females freaking about him mentioning Taiwan or whatever, but from jealous mainlander males that their women are having their pussies wet from a sexy british voiced anime man, and they'll do everything they can to ruin his reputation.

>>23521707
reminder, most of the reaction to the coco taiwan event was because bilibili shut down all the vtubers streams on the site when it happened, which made more people pay attention to it then they wouldve otherwise.
individual chinks are a lot more forgiving of their anime waifus like most of us here are but as soon as the normalfag chinks notice it turns to shit, especially if it fucks them over, and im sure a lot of aquas chink fans were also feeding into this since she had a special stream at the same time this happened.

>>23525647
dude, Vox has had several "yabs" by now, chinks are desperate cucksimps who just let vox take their family money

>>23525779
hololive fans here dont know that most of their numbers are actually chinks with vpns lol

>>23525647
i mean they do have a reason to be pissy, their shitty culture fucked over their generation by having too many men and not enough women.
the male to female ratio in china is fucked and most of the men have literally no chance to get pussy without luck or doing illegal shit.
add onto the anti-femboi shit theyre doing now and you have a country full of actual incels without even the option to go after bussy to make up for the lack of females.
>>23525857
i mean some of them do know but they hand wave it away because its inconvenient to acknowledge.

I'm not really surprised.

>>23521707
Being the second person to do it within 24 hours is much worse than being the first. Even then it probably would've died out in 2 months if Cover didn't pull out of China.

>>23519056
The last time we fought in Korea it ended in a draw. China didn't even have tanks then.

>>23518462
Do you really wanna have this conversation?

>>23518462
>>23527518
Are you absolutely positive?

>>23527518
Damn so they really are brainwashed by their government, there is literally no reason to be so proudly nationalistic if that wasnt the case.

what would you do if you saw a chink on the streets?

>>23527816
ABC? I befriend them, they're pretty cool.
1st gen immigrant? Try to indoctrinate them into the local culture.
Obvious tourist? Steer far away from them, theyre usually shitty people with no self awareness of the local culture, I've seen too many "chinese tourist" compilations on youtube to have a positive opinion on them

>>23518462
Thousands of years of gutter oil and corncrete.
Explains a lot really.

>>23512052
it'll take just one mention of Taiwan to make the zhangs drop him and the entire nijisanji, so have fun while it lasts I guess

>>23525857
Delusional nijinigger
Chinks were completly excised ffom the fanbase

>>23527518
That's the case for almost every nation that exists today.

>>23518462
>Be civilization thousands of years old
>Only did huge world expedition several times before declaring that China numbah 1 and never exploring again
>Ships that go overseas are only merchant trade ships
>Thousands of years in isolation
>Suddenly foreign powers coming to China to buy tea and chinawares but also sell opium
>Drug bad so go to war
>Lost badly
>Lost Hong Kong
>China no longer united, some want republic, some want communism, warlords want some
>Republic lost the war, retreat to Taiwan
>Communist win the war, closing the country again, except for Soviet
>Mao said culture bad, war on culture
>No culture causing their civilization went to shit (also don't get me started with Mao war against birds)
>Culture back, Mao don't
>China now open and nice to foreigner, secretly stealing techs though
>Techs accumulated, Money accumulated, act all smug
>Decided that China numbah 1 again, acting like asshole again
>Other countries were like "Stop being an asshole dude"
>China don't care
And here we are.

>>23528255
>he is literally unaware

>>23518462
>China is a civilization thousands of years old.
China has been "civilized" for about 40 years.
Ching chongs seem to forget China was poorer than Africa.

>>23528781
Ancient China gave us many inventions that they don't get the credit for. So in that context, they were more civilized than others during that time.Do your history reps and be objective.

>>23529069
gook's hand typed this

>>23529963
you mean chink. gooks also known as Koreans are pretty based

FREE HONG KONG

>>23512052
I have a strong hatred against mainland China and the CCP but I do not hate chinks by themselves

>>23528781
Nah. China was civilizated for hundreds years. Than Mao happened and they become savages.

>>23516196
>Especially if you're not just a man whores and are trying to provide something.
So not Vox then. He IS literally just a prostitute.

>>23528723
>also don't get me started with Mao war against birds
Nah, it is fucking hilarious
>Decide sparrows are eating all their grain
>Chinks surround trees and bang pots to kill sparrows by exhaustion
>Turns out sparrows were keeping bug populations down
>Locust eat all their crops
Make up problem, attack like zerg, screw themselves over? Man it is almost like their is a pattern here that can be applied to other Chinese activities.

>>23512052
I think these naïve boys should spend a few hours browsing a rekt thread on /gif/ to see what their simps are truly like.

>>23519084
>>23519320
kek

>>23527676
Once you dig into wtf Han CN are and how it's just as fake as White/Black in EN countries and you see the same pattern of control being used over and over again and people on both approved and un-approved communication channels defend it, it's not a hard step to stop trying to save people. Just sit back, grab some popcorn, and just enjoy the show as they all each other alive.

>>23525814
He's only been around a few months and is the hot new thing, people have let worse go unpunished in the real life... until he stops being new and hot and women get tired of him. Then suddenly all those yabs start being ammo.

>>23529069
Most things china invented were novelties rather than anything of particular importance. They can credit for gunpowder but gunpowder was being used long before Europeans visited China, it just wasn't considered viable.

China did historically have a good tech tree and moved faster than most other countries, but they also did nothing with it and regressed extremely hard.

>>23513205
Of course they do, it's the only thing /pol/ and reddit agree on

>>23534348
>Invent gunpowder
>Just a toy
>Euros find out about gunpowder
>Use it to conquer the world

>>23518220
it's because china is exactly the one pushing antiwhite rhetoric in US you fucking retard
did you see how much money they pump into 大外宣 and bribing msm

>>23512052
Imagine being a mainlander Chinese man. Your dictatorship's old imposed one child policy that effectively made it so that Chinese men outnumber women on a large scale has meant that a large amount of Chinese men will die incels or without a Chinese wife. Now imagine how there are tons of these rare commodities that Chinese men will NEVER have, that are all slobbering over an Englishman -- begging to be bred by a foreign man. How cucked must these men feel when they see that? Because I find it fucking hilarious.

>>23528151
He's already mentioned it before. Nothing happened. He's literally invulnerable to it or his fans give him and the rest of Luxiem a pass.

>>23513205
Are you living under a rock or something? The entire world's chinese diasphora outside of the mainland unequivocally hate china

>>23513205
but china is bad though

>>23530594
Sure thing incel

>>23513205
But China is bad

>>23513205
If /pol/, reddit and twitter agree that something is bad, you know it's fucked up.

>>23513205
China is bad, but Vox taking money off them and taking it outside the country is based

Its going pretty well holofriend.
How's it going for you?

>>23541414
>Pastor Jerry Eze
Is he the Christian schizoposter?

>>23518220
>they aren't turning kids into faggots
true, but amerimutts can vote, protest, change laws, express themselves and talk against it, they can change their government, is only a matter of numbers.
Bugs can't even breath, no matter how many of them dissent they will all be crushed like the insects they are, and there is nothing in the world that can help not even themselves, they can only kneel, eat shit, accept their fate and be brainwashed by propaganda that they are great like all this faggots:
>>23513205
>>23517149
>>23517908
>>23518462
>>23520189
>>23520314
amerimutts have a choice to be faggots or not, bugs can only runaway from their shithole and post dumbshit from a foreign country that has free speech

>>23518369
>doing gay shit WILL get them in trouble
i see, not everything is bad

>>23517225
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>>23542706
Keep coping fags. We win in numbers and it's all because of China. Soon we'll dominate every holo, yes not just EN, and there's nothing any of you sharts can do about it.

>>23544877
good luck, you will need it

>>23544945
>he says this as his chuubas start to decline

>>23545042
how's Hololive China doing?

>>23546018
Am I supposed to seeth that there's no Hololive CN anymore? I pray and offer praise to Coco everyday for getting Holo out of that shithole

>>23546018
I'm the anon you're replying to and I don't give a fuck about HoloCN.Hololive failed to get a market in China whereas Nijisanji continues to thrive. The only certainty is that we'll continue to mog your whores.

>>23546354
Popularity wise I'm pretty sure Hololive was on top of everything, Fubuki had over a mill followers there waay before Gura debuted, Spade Echo was literally on the front page of the Vtuber category in BilliBilli, and the members were close to revealing their 3D outfits before they graduated. And yet, financially they were sucking bad where they were already being concidered being axed before the entire Coco Taiwan thing happened.

>>23521311
>Meanwhile Kobo is standing directly behind ready to smack his shit up

>>23513205
STFU Chang
Taiwan is a real coutry and this anime website supports it.

>>23544877
You do know Nijisanji as a whole has been on a steady decline right? Luxiem specifically is the only wave actually expanding at a good pace and even than it's not at the same explosive rate as the 2020 explosion.

>>23546889
>nijiEN gaining more subs per day than holoEN
whatever you say, retard

>>23547109
>You hit the jackpot with Luxiem and have a popularity burst
>Have a steady growing fanbase and decide to put your resources on it
>Release a second branch record time called Noctyx
>Completely flopped
>Start panicking because the sub-growth is going up but the viewership is declining
>Put your most popular EN member on BilliBilli due to his growing CN fanbase cuss numbers and money
>Disaster awaiting

Remember to thank Coco every day for pulling cover out of the shithole known as China

>>23527561
The first one look neutral, the second one looks super biased.

>>23513205
>China is le bad
It is.

>>23530073
I don't think they're based (The Koreans, both sides)
80s and 90s Korea are dictatorship shithole, North is worse, but South is problematic as well)
South advanced their tech by literally copying Japanese stuff (car and electronics)
But the copied techs don't have the same quality
There's only two things that made South suddenly became economic power: Samsung and K-pop
Samsung is pretty clear, K-pop made people willing to try South's techs even if they're shitty
Unlike Japan who built consumer's trust for decades, South literally using (the concept of) meme to make them popular
But problems still brewing within
North is obvious, but South is hidden behind so many layers
Corruption, economic cabal, political cabal, old way of thinking still dominating politicians, some fell into cult like Christian branches, some fell into superstitious believes
Also trying to act like moral compass

>>23547109
Bots subs aren't subs at all. So basically they need too cheat to get fake numbers. It will be glorious when youtube notice that and don't said they won't because cheaters will never win. Karma always happen to cheaters, always

>>23513205
Yes, it's bad

>>23513390
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>>23515429
i don't think they're suggesting otherwise

>>23518760
Selena knows it. She was talking with her mom in one of those bento streams.

China is unironically good
>B-but /pol/ and reddit hate them
Lmao at samefags using this argument unironically. Those two are among the worst cesspits in the internet. If they hate something it's must be good

>>23551792
groupthink based on doing the opposite of another groupthink doesn't make you any smarter retard

>>23517307
Spanish government literally beat up Catalan Nationalists.

China are the ultimate consoomers because they don't actually make anything creative or interesting within their borders, all they do is consoom cultural exports from other countries

>>23551933
Really? So how about those retards up there who literally said "China bad because /pol/ and reddit agreed so"? Is that groupthink or not?

Apparently uncritically following mainstream media or internet retards is okay but questioning them is groupthink now

>>23552296
Nope, that's still Americans

>>23552526
Even if that was true, which it isnt because China absolutely dicksucks for Disney,Marvel,Anime, and Kpop. What does China produce creatively that other countries would want to consume? Their music sucks, their show sucks, their movies suck, their games are all souless gacha rip off garbage.

>>23552687
By that logic Indonesia is also he untimate consoomers because they made nothing that's popular outside their borders. Think about it for a sec.

>>23520314
Anon, it's easy to see why China is hated more than the US. Both generally act like dicks on the world stage, but China is surrounded by rivals that hate it far more than the US due to Chinese imperialism. And just one of those rivals, India, is nearing China's population count.

>>23552455
>So how about those retards up there who literally said "China bad because /pol/ and reddit agreed so"?
things that didn't happen. you're the only one here like this. you even said it yourself.

So, is it true that Chinese girls are easy?

>>23553582
Trying to retcon something that's still on this thread now?
>>23534531
>>23541173

>>23553726
Yes, their men are all dorky incels, if you demonstrate even the smallest amount of confidence you will win them over

>>23512052
this pasta makes me feel like I'm still on /nijien/

>>23513205
why yes that's just the truth

>>23553790
>X is bad because Y thinks so
is not the same as
>Both A and B think C is bad, and A and B disagree on everything, that should be an indication that C is actually bad considering 2 different groups who hate each other agree on this.

>>23555246
Wrong. If both A and B are retards and they agree on something, it's probably a super retarded opinion.

>>23555374
>A and B and pretty much everyone thinks C is bad
>But C thinks C is good
>That means C is good!

>>23553262
>Number of countries China invaded in the last 40 years
0
>Number of countries the US invaded in the last 40 years
9

Yet the world is terrified of China. This is the power of western propaganda.

>>23555474
>>Number of countries China invaded in the last 40 years
>0
Hong Kong.

>>23555540
>Hong Kong
Your British colony is not a country. Cope.

>>23555540
You can't be this retarded. Hong Kong is literally a part of china.

>>23555454
>Everyone
Lol. Lmao even

>>23555454
>Groupthink is good: the post

>>23513205
Zhang detected

This thread has been the same 3 anons replying to each other after everyone else got bored.

>>23513205
I mean, yes, unironically China is bad

>>23517149
I highly encourage all non-Chinese vtubers to say 'Taiwan' early and often. Fuck the Chinese. Imagine being so thin-skinned as a nation that the instant you hear even just the NAME of a country that no longer belongs to your government you chimp out and start harassing every tangentially-related female you see. China is cringe.

>>23555474
China did worse. They put small countries into debt and forcing them to allow China to put their army or navy there. For example Sri Lanka is now bankrupt and most of their extravagant projects are all co-funded by China. They will bow down to China's demand for decades now.

>>23555474
Next you're going to claim that China's claim on the south china sea is legitimate
But that's all besides the point. Pretty much all of China's neighbors hate China, for one reason or another, and that has little to do with "western propaganda". Japan hates China and vice versa for obv reasons. South Korea hates China due to Best Korea. India hates China for border and economic reasons. Vietnam and others with claims on the south china sea hate China. Most of the rest of SEA hates China. You don't even need western propaganda to strike up Chinese hate here.

>>23555540
Hong Kong is leased to Brits for 100 years. The lease is up and Hong Kong was given back to China. The only problem is Hong Kong system got so used to Brits system China ended up giving it special autonomous region. But China seems to fuck it up for their own gain.

>>23562054
Oh forgot to mention that covid soured the world's opinion on China to even further depths

>>23562054
Yeah, Indonesian here, can confirm. There's several accidents like Chinese navy ships aiming their guns at Indonesian navy boats who want to arrest a bunch of Chinese fishing ships who trespass Indonesian ocean border. The Indonesian navy ships let the Chinese fishing ships go to avoid disastrous international incident (Even though people at home enraged at this decision.
Also there's incident when there's a video of a Chinese ship throwing a dead Indonesian crew member into the ocean after he died of sickness (some suspect getting overworked and abused by the captain) and the outrage finally made Chinese navy promised to investigate it. I don't know if there's even an update.

In a more personal side, I remember following a business advisor youtuber. I thought he's reasonable enough until he suddenly start talking about how great China in making economic policies. He start talking about giving a ton of restrictions in business. Sure it sounds good for him because it give him as a big business to advance but it's obvious that most of those restrictions will kill small businesses, especially in a growing country like Indonesia. Fuck that shit I immediately unsubscribe.

>>23562097
It was "leased" for 100 years under the mindset that to the Brits in charge that 100 years ago basically meant "it is ours now forever". Only China autistically saw it otherwise.

>>23562635
A lease is a lease. It was signed, on a paper by two representatives of their respected countries. The Brits are still a country that upheld the law no?
I think the Brits speculated that China will fall apart in less than 100 years so they can keep the land forever since there's no country to return it to. What they don't expect is China is stabilizing enough to stay as one country for that 100 years.

>>23563132
>I think the Brits speculated that China will fall apart in less than 100 years.
That China did fall apart. The China that the Brits fucked up to get Hong Kong from was Qing Dynasty. Then LMao did his best to destroy Chinese culture to the point that modern China is barely even the China of its past. The Brits, being cocky Victorian Era Brits that they were, assumed Hong Kong would always belong to them and that 100 years basically meant forever, because who the fuck in their right mind back then would think into the future that far when you're probably not going to live past 70 on average. Again, it's just Chinese being autists because the Brit that wrote the paper put 100 on it when, in his mind, that meant forever.

>>23563815
Its not really autistic to abide by contracts as they're written. 100 years is 100 years, that's on brits for being retarded.

still stupid that china wants them back after 100 years of being a british colony with a completely different culture and way of life. but it'd be just as silly for brits to "keep" them just because someone out there was stupid and thought 100=forever

>>23562635
>It's bad when China holds UK to their signed agreement
This is how brainwashed the average westerner is.

And look at the anons here thinking minor border scuffles where nobody even died matters when western militaries kill thousands of people on a regular basis.
>>23562054
>>23562630

>>23564120
>Its not really autistic to abide by contracts as they're written.
It is when the people (Qing Dynasty China) that signed that contract doesn't exist anymore.

>>23564120
>because someone out there was stupid and thought 100=forever
You're free to recount how many people in the 1800s would be thinking about how things would be fairing in the year 2000. How many times do you think about how people will be fairing in the 2100s?

The recent posts read like something that came out of /r/Sino.

>>23564454
who the fuck cares what they thinks about how they'll fare?
100 years isn't forever, its 100 years. that's a static number and only 1 or 2 life times.

The fucking queen of england is like 100 years old. that's the length of 1 queen, hardly some magical infinite unbelievable number.

>>23553726
yeah, but in my experience they smell like shit and horrible breath, so I stay away

>>23564516
>who the fuck cares what they thinks about how they'll fare?
Thanks for proving my point.

>>23564174
>Minor border scuffle
Try telling that when China or Russia (or whatever country who has resentment toward USA) is on your ocean border, harassing American fishing boats. Or an American citizen dead and thrown away like garbage overseas by the local govt

>>23544877
You know I wish Nijiniggers would promote their comapny on the merit of ther vtubers being very entertaining or creative, but no, they want to take the angle of having a bunch of bug people watching their stream as if that matters the most

>>23564363
In that case the contract is null and void, which means Hong Kong goes back to China immediately.

>>23564657
We promoted them on that basis and you wouldn't listen because they had bad numbers lol

>>23564836
Ah so all of this is just a result of pettiness from months of built up resentment. I get it

>>23564684
>which means
And where do you come to that conclusion, Zhao. You seem to be a professional on land purchases and contracts with such a statement. If America was to collapse this instant that doesn't mean the land they fought Mexico over suddenly goes back to them.

>>23564645
I'm American so I will never have the experience of hearing about my people being harassed by a bigger, more powerful country. But before you beg for your Chinese overlords to be replaced by American overlords, maybe you should find out what Cuba, Panama or Columbia thinks about being in our sphere of influence.

I'm happy China exists as our rival, because otherwise my country will be consumed by decadence, greed and petty internal conflicts. Instead of trying to make something of ourselves, we end up reminiscing about past glories. Like when's the last time we sent a human beyond Earth orbit?

>>23564836
Man remember back when they were actually doing interesting things like game shows or RSL?
Or that time Selen commission a VRChat world?

Good times.

Now its just how hard vox's cock is and how many chinese women want to fuck him.

>>23512052
I heard Vox immediately got like 500k subs in his Bilibili account

Vox has 600k YT. Has 500k when he goes to B2. Doesn't this prove that all his audience is in CN and he isn't popular anywhere else? Why even have an EN branch at all if you can't rake in EN audience? Maybe just send them to CN branch and shut down EN.

>all this china bad
Yeah subhuman insects are bad but I attribute every nigger tranny leftist agenda on the internet to Americans so it's kind of impressive how people actually defend America.

>>23565038
>when's the last time we sent a human beyond Earth orbit?
Never. Because it's a waste of money and missing the bigger picture.

>>23513205
Fuck China, dude.

>>23565038
I don't know when was the last time anybody else in the world sent anybody beyond the moon dipshit? Space is so incredibly unprofitable you would not even believe it, we don't send anybody anymore because there is absolutely no profit or major discovery to be made. An argument could even be made that SpaceX going to Mars is useless.

>>23565168
>But what about America and its trannies and woketards/ whataboutism.
Not part of the argument that China is shit.

>>23565168
Ok but there are entire countries of niggers in Africa fuck the chinks in China more at least the niggers act civilized now

>>23565038
>Cuba
After Castro Cuba opened their border to USA, a lot of Cuban Americans visiting Cuba carrying items considered luxury there like Flat TVs, Computers and Electronics. Relationship is strained but good
>Panama
Thriving thanks to Panama canal, also tax haven for American businessmen so a lot of money kept in their bank and the country is stable even though it's still third world country
>Columbia
I admit I don't know much about Colombia, but from what I checked online, current Colombia is pretty stable.

>because otherwise my country will be consumed by decadence, greed and petty internal conflicts
Are you fucking serious?
*pull the curtain*
*Democrats (Liberals) and Republicans (Conservatives) are fighting each other*
*Riots everywhere, racially motivated attacks, mass shooting everywhere*
*TWITTER*

>>23565393
We're totally not consumed by decadence I mean... it's not like we're the inventors of the concept that is mass consumerism or anything

>>23565393
>dem vs rep
nobody really cares in the real world. its a twitter thing. outside of some bants nobody will really hold it against you except retards.
>riots everywhere
like 1 city, for 1 day, that nobody gave a shit about.
>twitter
>america

>>23525647
His fans are all leftover women, they're unwanted anyways

>>23565222
>>23565303
>Money
>Profit
This is exactly why China must exist and be strong enough to be our rival.
>>23565393
You're just proving my point. Without China that's what Americans fight over. With China they'll actually stop for a second and ask why our bridges are collapsing and why it takes us 20 years to build a 400 mile high speed rail line when China built 10x as much in half the time.

>>23513205
Commit rope, zhang

>>23513205
Yes, China is bad and it has to be said.

>>23565624
Yes, money, you idiot. You think putting a man on the moon was done on a shoestring budget from either America or the USSR? Get real. The program costed Russia an arm and a fucking leg just for some clout in saying they were first to put a man on a desolate rock in space.

>>23565759
>first to put a man on a desolate rock in space.
First to put a man in orbit*

>>23565624
>it takes us 20 years to build a 400 mile high speed rail line when China built 10x as much in half the time.
It's called child labor. Anyway, defending China's existance in any way supports their regime in their defiance human rights, genocide, sino-superiority, strongarming, etc. The government their is completely fucked there's no defending that.

>>23565759
you have to understand how the us and china works
china needs to use the us as a foil to encourage people to work harder so they can eventually compete with the us
the us needs to make up enemies or exaggerate enemy capabilities in order to encourage people to work harder
why do you think shit like pacific rim is so popular, its because the us needs to make up enemies to stir up the jingoists

>>23565589
>twitter
>America
Well, yeah, where Jack Dorsey is when he made Twitter? And who use that platform to fling shit around and cancel people?

>>23565624
>With China they'll actually stop for a second and ask why our bridges are collapsing and why it takes us 20 years to build a 400 mile high speed rail line when China built 10x as much in half the time.
Even with China existence
>American railway system is still a mess
>Healthcare is still a mess
>Homelessness still rampant.

The only use of China for USA is their military have excuse to ask for military budget raise.

>>23565868
Pacific Rim 1 was popular because it was fun 80s style mecha vs kaiju directed by Guillermo del Toro. PR2 was shit and nobody talks about it.

>>23565868
For some reason I ever so slightly get the notion that you're suggesting that the practically declaration of economic warfare against the U.S. by China is propaganda? Or that the U.S. needs China as an enemy? No you fucking tard it's because it's a fight for economic superiority. China holds control of the world's economy did you see what they did to Australia when they suggested China was covering up the Coronavirus? True or not they sanctioned Australia to oblivion same for other countries such as New Zealand. The U.S. government hates and is scared of China being they're fucking threatening us since we recieve the majority of domestic imports from China.

>>23565038
The thing you don't realize is that a unipolar American world order is the most optimal and prosperous world order, because the way the US does politics is different from the way China does it, the way Russia does it, the way India would if it had the actual potential to be a superpower.
The US way of foreign relations is very much still based on Roosevelt's big stick diplomacy. It's not threatening people, it's not invading them for no reason. America has mastered the art of soft power in a way that is truly beyond any other nation. Because the way it works is genuinely making friends with other nations.
It's not "give us some stuff", but "let's work together and make some money together". This is why US relations are so good with so many countries, except the ones that have a historic grudge or an apparent rivalry.

The middle east is an exception to this for obvious reasons, because the middle east is where many proxy wars are fought. Of course, they're not happy with America, but the goal was always to find a mutually beneficial arrangement, but with many nations it simply didn't work or they were greedy and wanted more than what they could get or they were corrupt and stole all the aid.
But the Pax Americana is a multually beneficial relationship for everyone willing to participate.
China doesn't operate like this, the Chinese imperialism operates through threats and coercion, it's also soft power in a way, but it's not "soft" soft power. But it's mostly hard soft power, economic entrapment, threats of violence, border tensions and so on. Russia doesn't operate like this, Russian imperialism fuctions on threats of hard power and lots of overt covert operations. And of course, actual military action.

If you were to choose between Pax Americana, Chinese bullshit and Russians threatening to invade you if you don't do what they want every other week, I think the choice is very simple.

>>23565624
>why it takes us 20 years to build a 400 mile high speed rail line when China built 10x as much in half the time.
Because the US runs feasibility studies and doesn't build random high speed rail that won't at least get close to making the operating costs back. Chinese rail is a disaster, but you wouldn't know that from where you stand, because you don't really look into the problems, you just see "4000 miles of high speed rail in 10 years" and think that's really neat.
But the actual COST of these rail lines is magnitudes higher than what it appears to be.

>>23566125
I agree one of the main points in the favor or the United States is transparency nobody has any fucking clue what's going on in Russia or China. As such how could you as a citizen trust what's going on or if you're information they feed you is true

>>23513205
China literally just ruined the last 2 years of existence for millions of people

>Literally 1 stream
>""""HURRRRRRRRR IT'S A PERMANENT SWITCH""""
What form of mental illness is this?

>>23513670
honestly I don't haye Vox or any of the nijisanji males, I just hate fujos so much, just after furries and sjw, and I want them as far away from my hobbies as I can

>>23512052
Good work, gaijin division. Turn the unsated lust of the mainlander slattern into gold bars for the Imperial Throne.

>>23512406
your boner will be gone once you realize that they look like this

>>23513670
>we
I don't care, this Vox situation is interesting to me though. It's the equivalent of trying to make friends with a lion kind of.
One day you're fine with it and the next you step on it's tail accidentally, and unfortunately for you the Lion was in a bad mood previosuly that day, now you're fucked.

Hololive (Coco I mean) didn't even pander to chinks, nor did Haachama or does Fubuki and they got hell for it. I can only imagine what someone who cultivates a chink following will get when they fuck up.

>>23566611
You watch fujos

>>23566125
But you're not choosing between an American unipolar world vs. a Chinese unipolar world. The best decades for the US was at a time when there was a fierce rivalry with the USSR. A state of competition is best for everyone. That's true whether it's between China and the US, or between Apple and Google, or between Nijisanji and Hololive.

Why the fuck do the Chinese like Vox so much?

t. I don't pay attention to the males only the girls

>>23566224
Do you think public transport exists to make profit for the government? No, it connects cities and makes profit for the people, which then the government can tax. Once built, it's in everyone's best interest to let as many people ride it as possible, and charging high prices is not how you do that.

>>23566919
>A state of competition is best for everyone
Yes, for everyone under Pax Americana. But do you think those Soviet satellites were doing well? They're in a bad spot and most of them still are. The ones that have realigned with the US are improving, of course, but the ones that haven't are still awful places, like Belarus.
A unipolar order really IS best for everyone.

>>23567121
Yes, public transport is a public good, but at some point it simply becomes unfeasible to finance it, when much, much cheaper solutions are available and easily implemented.
The issue with Chinese high speed rail is that it is a reactionary prestige project. "look at all the fast trains we can build", but nobody asked whether they actually needed them and whether these trains filled a required niche or whether more convetional slower trains would be better. Because it's about the prestige of running a really big and cool high speed rail network.

At the end of the day, public transport is a moneysink, many governments do are. But the real question is, how much money should public transport bleed? And the general consensus is that it should about cover the cost of maintaining and running the system. Not even entirely, just getting close to it.

>it's in everyone's best interest to let as many people ride it as possible, and charging high prices is not how you do that.
Ironic, because that's one of the problems China has. Their high speed rail is too expensive and people don't actually need it.

Luxiem's success really mindbroke the Holobronies.

>>23566729
I can fix her.

REMINDER

>>23567121
People forget the size and scale of America along with the different forms of geography.
Public transport still needs to be sustainable and worth the cost. Countries with good public transport are smaller than the size of Texas, a single state in the US. And even in places like Japan with great public transport, the moment you leave the main cities it goes to shit.
The same tactics don't scale, and at the cost it takes to make a train from 1 side of Texas to the other its billions of dollars, and you could have just flown from point A to B for the same price anyways.

There's a lot of things people just don't think about the size and population of America and think the same tactics would work. Healthcare for example.
People love to shit on Texas, but Texas spends billions on healthcare every year, 40% of its taxes goes toward healthcare. And Texas is a shitty redneck state that hates poor people, yet it still spends ridiculous amounts on public healthcare and its still not enough. The idea that you can just casually fix or do these things in America just because it was successful in countries with the population of new york just doesn't hold up.

/pol rant

>>23567128
So you're blaming their bad economy on the USSR... 30 years after it dissolved? Copium much?

>>23564120
>abide by contracts as they're written.
>Perfidious Albion
lol
lmao even

>>23567808
30 years isn't that long as far as things go.
And its not that the USSR is making them poor, its that they never accepted democracy into their hearts and it has forever cause them to live in misery.

>>23567808
I am blaming their bad economy on the fact that they stopped being ran like a soviet state. Sure places like Baltics have a very weak economy, as expected of being a post-soviet state, but they're doing much better than the soviet satellites who haven't aligned with the EU and the US.

>>23512052
This was Selen's plan from the start. Get rid of the dudes by sacrificing them to chin OL fujos

>>23518863
Does he like the Xi Gundam?

I like how much Vox makes you guys seethe

>>23567901
>>23568132
That's literally propaganda. There's a table that shows when (after the collapse) did those countries recover to their USSR-level GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_states#Economy.. All of them are around the same time, and the best ones, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, are not particularly US-aligned.

>>23568605
Guess which 3 are the best perfoming ones when it comes to GDP per capita?
Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. The Baltic states. They're also the 3 top performers when it comes to HDI.
Weird, huh?

>>23568734
They were the best before the collapse too. The ones most successful under the USSR is also the most successful afterwards. That doesn't say anything about either system.

>>23568983
They're outperforming Russia by several magnitudes, it's not just that they did well under Soviet rule.

>>23568447
ikr nijisimps and holoniggers cant cope that a supreme anglo is rising to the top

>>23512052
I love how the meidos let this literal /pol/ thread stay up, but any thread moderately critical of Mori gets instantly deleted.

>>23569166
I won't be surprised if most of meidos are /pol/tard themselves.

>>23564174
anon stop sucking on chinas dick, the US is shitty but theyre not at war with anyone who talks shit about them, let alone all their neighbours.
the US population can talk shit about the country all they want and get away with it, they can even call it out for its war mongering for oil.
the chinese population cant even show how their marcel arts arent good fighting technics because that goes against the propaganda that Chinese marcel arts are the best.
>>23564120
well at least we know your american since you love your contract upholding.
but china taking back hong kong isnt related to the contract because they already agreed to let hong kong be as it is when the 100 years were up, them now cracking down on the ruling of the place shows theyre doing it to expand regardless of agreements.
hong kong happened to be a place they had influence with so they took it because no one had the balls to put their foot down.

>>23518647
That's so nuts to me. That an entire army instead of surrendering prolonged their deaths by eating 30000 women children and old people and there wasn't a mutiny from the ranks at all. Chinese really are soulless. I can't imagine something like this happening in ancient armies of the Europeans or even the central asians. Eating your own people? That's such a level of fucked up. And even worse the Chinese love the general who did it! What a fucked up people.
Sometimes I think the Manchurians and Mongols were the best thing to happen to these bugs. I can't imagine trying to govern people who will eat their own women and children.

>>23569166
they delete the mori threads because if they didnt people would just spam them endlessly because thats what they do even if they didnt delete the threads.
at least this thread is acting as containment

>>23512052
I can fix her...

>>23569400
China has never been at war for the last 40 years unlike literally every Great Power today and Hong Kong is legally theirs. Everything else is irrelevant cope and whataboutism

>>23514857
when did tsukino mito say this?

>>23569400
>upholding contract is bad
Man I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to argue. If you agreed to lease some land for 100 years, that's agreeing to lease land for 100 years. 100 years is not "forever" its 100 years, barely a few generations. The dude who made the deal has children alive by the time its over.

I don't even know what the whole hong kong deal yall are sperging about is even. But the idea that
>well I thought 100 years would be like forever or something dude
is pants on fucking head retarded.

>>23566916
anon, you can't hit him with the truth like that

>>23569400
>well at least we know your american since you love your contract upholding.
>ugh you actually expect people to keep their word? what a fucking loser
spotted the rosebud.

>>23518863
>>23518930
Based Chairman.

>>23569451
Historical records are likely exaggerated if not outright fiction.

>>23569725
>Keeping word to a people that don't even exist anymore, let alone ones that don't even rule the country anymore.

>>23512052
This will be a fun experience to watch from a distance, and how will the CCP react to a huge fujobait EN streamer soaking up all the donations from the CN fujos, and whether or not they will try to stop him from taking all that yen away from China

>>23566729
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nijiselfie
they look more like this

>>23569824
The Chinese don't magically disappear because of a regime change. Does the concept of successor state such mind boggling to you?

>>23569577
not being at war doesnt mean they arent committing human rights violations.
as i said the US is garbage, but they still allow for the freedom to undermind them.
>>23569630
anon you replied to me not the other anon your comment more fittingly applies too.
>>23569725
i didnt say wanting to uphold the contract was bad, just that it proves you are american.
and my point had nothing to do with the upholding of the contract, since as i said, they already made a deal once the contract had ended that hong kong would be its own part of china, them going back on that deal is more so telling that china wants to expand since they didnt do what theyre doing now when the contract originally ended.
other anons have a point the people who made the contract to begin with no longer existed, its like holding italy to a roman/byzantine contract now because they happened to live where they were once.
or a better example, you buy a house and now your forced to abide by a contract that was made on the land by someone else who died years ago, unrelated to the housing contract you already signed to get the rights to the land.

>>23570127
Speak English.

>>23570179
>not being at war doesnt mean they arent committing human rights violations.
A literal meme. Pretty much every country do this at one point or another. From my perspective as an outsider, a Hegemon who won't bomb my country whenever they want to is always the superior choice

>>23570228
Here's english
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states

>>23570127
the regime didnt just change anon, the whole system fell apart multiple times.
and if anything taiwan is the one who would have right to hong kong since they were the original Chinese government that wouldve inherited the contact had they not been forced out by the current party.
>>23570277
anon china is committing more human rights violations right now then the US is right now and the US has been at war recently.
moral relativism doesnt matter when every country agrees that rounding up a minority to "reeducate" them is bad, even if theyre all cowards and wont do anything about it which is its own bag of worms.

>>23570574
Taiwan lost the civil war. That's why they're in an island and not the mainland

>>23570574
What, you're talking about Uyghurs? Kek, I remember when the accusation was genocide and now it's been reeuced to reeducation?
Doesn't matter anyway. What the west called reeducation, I called deradicalization. I have no problem with them trying to fix their most violent subgroup. That's far more humane than simply letting them run amok or killing them. That's simple pragmatism

>>23570277
>doesn't bomb your country
>debt traps you instead
>You can't even speak against it
Lesser evil is still evil.

>>23570763
>sterilizations
>cultural erasure
>organ harvesting
Seems like genocide to me

>>23513205
>Thinks China is good
Holy shit go pick up a newspaper, if you're literate

>>23570989
>Debt trap
Debunked already.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/

Tl;dr: China never seized anything when someone defaulted. Odds are they just restructure the debt or in rare cases forgive them

>>23571139
>(((the atlantic)))

>>23570989
>sterilizations
>organ harvesting
No proof whatsoever on these. Hell, minorities were exempt from the One Child policy back when it was around.

>cultural erasure
Which culture? If you're talking about language, dress, or religion then those aren't banned either. Uyghur language is used alongside Mandarin in Urumqi airport, and signs in Xinjiang also used Uyghur script.

Did you research any of these, or did you just hear them from someone?

>>23571178
No argument then? Unless you can mention a single example of the so-called debt trap? And no, Sri Lanka doesn't count. The Chinese lease their port and paid money for it, and chinese debt in sri lanka is smaller than IMF

I'm not going to defend China retaking HK, since HK was a classic case of british imperialism in the first place. I can still criticize how China is treating HK though.

>>23564174
holy whataboutism batman

How the fuck does this have anything to do with the fact that China's neighbors hate China regardless of any "western propaganda", and that alone is enough to make China more hated than the US in the world?

>>23566505
There's a silver lining to covid though. Besides the vtuber boom of course. It's that companies are seeing how fragile supply chains that depend on China are, and are expediting the mass exodus from Chinese manufacturing. Either they're turning toward local solutions (e.g. chip fabs) or other countries (e.g. Vietnam, India). The failure of China's zero covid strategy only compounds this.

lmao good luck

>>23571516
>China's
Which neighbors exactly? Central Asia is okay with them, Russia and Pakistan are friendly. Even SEAnigs have plenty of pro Chinese faction like Laos, Cambodia and Singapore.

>>23571628
What a cope post. Virtua real has been around for years now. Just because Coco's retardation caused holo to be kicked out and blacklisted from China doesn't mean everyone is equally stupid

>>23570763
anon chinas the ones called it re-education, not the western media, hence my quoting.
also when is it ever a good idea to let a country decide to imprison people based on their beliefs?
dont people like you get upset and claim society is oppressing your rights but then you go on about how "violent" a group is and how they should be shot or whatever?
just be honest and say you hate everyone in the world and want to see them hurt regardless of reason.
>>23571139
china doesnt need to seize anything to get what they want, they can use other means of punishing someone, and they have before, part of that ability is part of why Cover cut off the holocn branch.
had the holocn members stayed a part, china couldve fucked over their families that live on the main land.
>>23571289
anon the best way to get away with culture genocide is to pretend like your not doing it, which means not outwardly banning anything, thats what happened with the native americans in both america and canada.
"we're just re-educating the natives so they can better fit into our society" was the justification for the schools the government forced native americans to go to.
and even if they arent directly trying to erase the culture, china forcing their "culture" onto them will result in the force dilution of the culture.
>>23571653
anon yours ignoring how russia is just another china without the population, of course they have decent relations, theyre the same thing fundamentally.
this anon >>23562054 already listed the neighbors that have problems with china.
>>23571728
virtuareal is run by bilibili so of course its fine, the main reason the coco taiwan event even got as big as it did was because of bilibili shutting down all vtuber streams when it happened, pissing off more people then just those who were watching the stream.

>>23571889
>china doesnt need to seize anything to get what they want, they can use other means of punishing someone, and they have before, part of that ability is part of why Cover cut off the holocn branch.
had the holocn members stayed a part, china couldve fucked over their families that live on the main land.
Cool story. What does this have to do with debt traps though? We're not arguing something abstract here

>>23571139
>China never seized anything
They're not stupid. They will make the country doing whatever they asked for. Putting military base? They can't say no. Letting Chinese companies taking over the business in that country? No one will say no. This is a new kind of conquest, economical conquest.

>>23571415
I live in a country that's debt trapped by China to Hell. The Chinese run it like Jews but worse. They control the banks, media, real estate, heavy industry, the illegal casinos, brothels and human trafficking rings, even the fucking drug trade that's plaguing this country. Chinks are basically untrustworthy scammers who screw you over everything (see also >>23567566) while stealing the islands we need for resources. We're even forced to buy formaldehyde contaminated fish from the chinks because they stole it from us. All meanwhile our retard of the president keeps eating the bat soup.

Hint: it's PH.

>>23571653
Off the top of my head: India, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines. Heck, even those previously had friendly ties with China like Malaysia are reconsidering their stance due to the south china sea fiasco.
I've read that like 3/4 of Asia views China negatively, and again, it has little to do with "western propaganda" (ironically, many adopt policies similar to those of China, like media censorship)

>>23571889
>anon yours ignoring how russia is just another china without the population, of course they have decent relations, theyre the same thing fundamentally.
this anon >>23562054 # already listed the neighbors that have problems with china.
And I listed you countries that have np problem with China. Hell, even that person you quoted is definitely retarded if he claimed most of SEA hates china.

>>23571998
>>23572036
Lmao none of these are debt trap.

>>23572059
>even that person you quoted is definitely retarded if he claimed most of SEA hates china.
It's definitely true though. I dunno if by # countries (since that includes shitholes like Myanmar), but definitely by population and economic power.

>>23571998
The West has been doing the exact same thing for decades but now that someone else proven themselves capable of playing the game you shout "stop the count!"?
That part about military base is especially hilarious. Even France has more foreign military bases than China, but of course if it's the west then it doesn't count as debt trap because everyone simply agrees nicely unlike the dastardly china right?

>>23565591
His fans the women who have no romantic prospects despite the fact there is a huge gender imbalance in their favor. Think of how depressing an existence that must be.

>>23571889
>anon the best way to get away with culture genocide is to pretend like your not doing it, which means not outwardly banning anything, thats what happened with the native americans in both america and canada.
"we're just re-educating the natives so they can better fit into our society" was the justification for the schools the government forced native americans to go to.
and even if they arent directly trying to erase the culture, china forcing their "culture" onto them will result in the force dilution of the culture.
So what culture and which part are they genociding again?

>>23572265
>The West acted stupid, so China can act stupid too
Don't the Chinese people see this is a recipe for disaster for all sides? If China had adopted a benevolent soft power strategy while carrying a big stick instead of using loud wolf warrior tactics, we would all be in a better position.

>>23572474
That's not a stupid act. That's simple pragmatism. If the west thought their foreign bases are stupid they would've gotten rid of them by now. What you're doing is basically monopolizing pragmatism and villified every non-western powers doing the same. That's absurd. You're not the only one allowed to play economy game or having allies and foreign military bases.
China is also capable of playing the benevolent soft power game btw. That's why they're more popular in Africa and recently nabbed Solomon Island as possible partner. Doesn't stop the West from seething about them though.

>>23572036
It sounds less like a debt trap and more like Flips are terrible at economy for me

>>23572295
How the fuck did this even happen, with Vox specifically and I guess all of Luxiem???

>>23572130
>>23572796
Our retarded president funded his infrastructure program by taking dubious loans from the chinks and allowing them free real estate in PH, so it counts.

>>23573113
So your president is retarded. I still can't see which part is the trap

>>23571973
it has to do with the fact theyre not against using other means to get what they want, moral or not.
reading comprehension anon
>>23572059
anon where are you getting the idea they dont hate the fat country thats shoving its fingers into every country trying to get a piece of everything.
people hated Britain's imperialism and the Usa's oil crusading and chinas doing the same shit.
>>23572265
France isnt using its military power to get more land from themselves, theyre more often then not just defence placements to keep what they already have even though i doubt most people want the random islands they own.
>>23572429
anon please use your brain, the answer to your question exists within my statement.
if they arent killing them, theyre "re-educating" them, making them learn the state-approved culture, training them to fear the CCP, the same technics the rest of china is getting and how north korea works.
>>23572711
anon, you know why they dont get rid of those bases right? because the US is obligated by the international community to act as the enforcer. undefended land leaves a power vacuumed that someone will use to gain power.
its like leaving your sandwich outside and expecting no wild animal to try to eat it or for it to not grow mold, use it or loose it.

>>23573200
anon please, it being a debt trap and their president being retarded isnt mutually exclusive.

>>23572130
Go ahead, keep yapping zhanghead. You don't know debt trap even when it hit you in the face.

>>23572265
At least Americans are paying fees for their military bases. While France only have bases in their own colonies.
The good thing about Americans is just they want their franchises to open in other countries but not actively trying to take over the economy itself. My country can talk shit about USA all day long but KFC and McDonald are always crowded. We surely don't drive American cars but it's not like Americans got mad about it. Our banks are majority owned by locals.

China on the other hand has this weird fascination of taking over businesses. Greedy sumbitch just want all the money and resources for themselves.

>>23573200
Not mutually exclusive
Outsourcing is a similar example: citizens hate both the government that allowed the outsourcing and the country the work was outsourced to.

>>23572295
Amazing how there's 30 million men who can't find women, and yet there's still a big number of undesired women. Those Chinese men are too traditional, ancient even.

What make it worse many Chinese men start hunting for bride in other countries, they must be close enough to their skincolor and it's either consensual or not. I knew some women in my countries are tricked to go to China for job offer only to be trapped in a marriage.

>>23573200
Either you play dumb or you're actually a moron.

>>23573415
>>23574124
Which part is the trap though?

>>23574079
Do you think china doesn't pay for their military bases or something?

The rest of your drivel is just non-sequitur. My country can talk shit about china too all they want yet in the end we use chinese phones while our bank is still operated by ourselves. It has nothing to do with anything

>>23573227
>it has to do with the fact theyre not against using other means to get what they want, moral or not. reading comprehension anon
Still has nothing to do with debt trap. It's kind of telling those who claimed the so called debt trap can't even provide a single example and is busy moving the goalpost

People who said USA is bad and China is good, let me tell you my relatives experience working in USA.
>First, they're illegal immigrants there (no excuse, just telling the truth)
>But their children can still go to public school
>The parents are given proper wage, and protected by business owner
>When the whole family went back to my country, there's no hard feeling with USA, just good stories about USA

Now let me ask you this, If there's a large amount of Latinos, Blacks, Asians, and Caucasian immigrants living in China, will they have the same experience? Or they will be kicked out at gunpoint?

>>23573227
>anon, you know why they dont get rid of those bases right? because the US is obligated by the international community to act as the enforcer. undefended land leaves a power vacuumed that someone will use to gain power
You can't even keep your narrative straight. Earlier you mocked that the west acting stupid is not an excuse for china doing the same when I brought up economy power and military bases, but then justifying the west doing the same thing in the current era.
Either the game can be played by everyone, or no one is. There's no in-between

>>23574773
Not if they're in Shanghai where they get locked in their own home instead KEK

>>23574773
I'm not chinese, but I don't like the concept of illegal immigration and how it's fetishized as a good thing by the west. What is this supposed to prove?

>>23574079
Recently China started agreement with Solomon Island that allows them to protect their business and it still villified as possible invasion by Aussie and Burgers. It's literal Mafia mentality, rule for thee but not for me.

>>23574591
anon reading comprehensions PLEASE
this is the 5th time ive had to restate what i already said.
this reply wasnt to do with the debt trap itself, its was to do with the claim
>China never seized anything when someone defaulted. Odds are they just restructure the debt or in rare cases forgive them
they dont need to seize anything directly with defaulting, they can punish in other ways without making it seem like theyre collecting the debt.
>>23574885
theyre not mutually exclusive anon, protecting whats yours is fine but using it to expand is not, even with the west.
the US gets its exemption though because its treated at the powerhouse of the western world, the morals of it have always been questionable but their are justifications that are made.
>>23574944
its literally not fetishized as good, why do you think "build a wall" became a thing.
america being the land of opportunities is the fetishization you probably thinking of.
but in this case anons just using a personal antidote as a means to explain that legal or illegal, america treats them better then china ever would for most, even their own civilians.

>>23575361
>they dont need to seize anything directly with defaulting, they can punish in other ways without making it seem like theyre collecting the debt.
So you can claim any bad thing that happens to a given country as China's fault? How convenient. It's kind of telling that you still hadn't provide a single example of the so called debt trap in action.

>theyre not mutually exclusive anon, protecting whats yours is fine but using it to expand is not, even with the west.
China doesn't want to expand anything other than their economy. Taiwan doesn't count since China had made it clear since day one that they consider them an opposite party in an ongoing civil war.
>the US gets its exemption though because its treated at the powerhouse of the western world, the morals of it have always been questionable but their are justifications that are made.
So the only way to get an exception is by Might makes right? Now I understand both the American and Chinese mindsets.

>>23575527
anon refer to the holocn comment i made, if theyre willing to go after family on the mainland, that means theyre willing to extort anyone via any means, directly or not.
>>23575725
hey i didnt go out of my way to justify the US being exempt for a reason and i said its morally questionable.
the contridiction itself is not questionable, it 100% is hypocritical but a hypocrite who is the norm is easier to live with then a unknown hypocrite.
also the classic "the fact were having this convo at all proves the US is the lesser of the 3 evils".

>>23576093
>hey i didnt go out of my way to justify the US being exempt for a reason and i said its morally questionable.
the contridiction itself is not questionable, it 100% is hypocritical but a hypocrite who is the norm is easier to live with then a unknown hypocrite.
I doubt that Hypocrite A is better than Hypocrite B is an accepted argument anywhere in the world.
>also the classic "the fact were having this convo at all proves the US is the lesser of the 3 evils".
This is not a classic anything either. Questioning the narrative doesn't prove anyone is better

Reddit is literally /pol/
They just don’t like to admit that to each other