/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

No chuuba has to provide "GFE" and they're free to talk about their boyfriend as much as they want. I also don't have to watch them.

parasocial isnt just GFE but the video was pretty funny

>>23429564
>meanwhile the majority of twitch thots are doing speed dating

>>23429564
I respect her for this actually. I'd rather her say straight to my face that she has a boyfriend then lie and manipulate us into thinking she's single just to get money. Streamers are not your girlfriends.

>>23429564
I don’t know nor care about that streamer but she will never be a vtuber. She’s just a twitch streamer using an anime avatar.

>>23429564
I just want girls with a boyfriend or who are actively dating to just admit they are.
I don't care if they're dating, I just don't like being lied to.

>>23429564
>twitch thot

You're seething because she's right.
Even those that don't provide GFE, and are just sweet make you attention starved faggots lose your shit if they do something you don't approve off.

You think you would have learned after the Rushia shit, literally GFE prime and she got caught, but most of you just went further and further into the GFE hole.

>>23429564
>twitch whore
lol

>>23429564
>pink cat agreed with her in the replies
Nyancucks…

>>23429564
>/vt/ cries over a literal who tweet and desperately begs for you to harass them
Must be a day ending in y

>>23429631
They know full well that they'll never make corpo chuuba money if they talk about their boyfriend and tweets like these are just them subconsciously seething about it and hoping that legislation stops the problem because that's the only way women can function in society.

> One person on the Internet who didn't even start out as a vtuber said something I don't like! Therefore I know everything about every person outside of Japan! I am extremely intelligent and not a schizo at all.

>>23429564
I don't really think these bitches get it. If you have a boyfriend just be upfront about it and these people will leave. It's only when you hide it that it becomes a problem.

she's not pretending to be single and flirt to get men to give her money. she's just some anime girl who draws. I think that is very respectable

>>23429564
Why vtubers that don't do GFE can't stfu about how much they hate gfe content?

>>23429760
Or maybe they don't do it for just money and they do it for fun AND money on the side?
vtubing is like anime in that's it's a trend for normies to like or pretend to like for fun, not because they respect it so it's not shocking to think they don't care as much as you do

>>23429564
Good. GFE is poison and people who peddle it are scum.

>itt: seething femoids

>>23429760
First time I'll call a Selen poster based

>>23429931
how big are your pussy flaps?

>>23429736
Anon, Rushia wasn’t going out nor living with the alien. If that were the case her gachis would have left.

>>23429760
i revoke your right to Selen images because your take isnt completely shit

>>23429564
But it is working

>>23429564
>doesn't know what parasocial means
>uses it anyway and acts smug about it
god i fucking hate women so much

>>23429892
>fun and money on the side

>>23429719
>I just want girls with a boyfriend or who are actively dating to just admit they are.
Oh, anon, but then they'd lose numbers and money.

>>23429564
I'll be always convinced that vtubers that get this mad over 1 viewer leaving because of boyfriend talk are just mad that they can't have the best of both worlds

>>23430019

>>23430019
Sunk cost fallacy is a real thing.

>>23429564

When you think twitch whores can't get any worse, someone who got out the gutter by sucking up Nyanners talks shit about parasocial.
Trashy leecher.

>>23429892
women only do stuff for their own benefit, they don't understand the concept of "having fun"

>>23429878
Because they are jealous and they also aren’t real vtubers, so they need to shit on people being more successful and loved than they will ever be.
Even Japanese vtubers with confirmed boyfriends or husbands aren’t as self righteous to talk shit about other type of vtubers.

>>23429878
They are mad that GFE vtubers make more money

>>23429564
What's the point of this self-deception? VTubers that don't understand that their service is largely about providing the impression of intimate female company shouldn't be doing it. Just be a normal streamer and base your content on your interesting commentary. Oh, wait! You have nothing interesting to say, so you want the best of both worlds. No thanks.

>>23429878
Because GFE vtubers earn more money.

jealous bitch lol

parasocial doesn't have to be romantic? just feeling like you know the streamer is being parasocial

They can talk about bfs all day long but they can't cry foul when some people leave because of it.
Like it or not, but a hueg percentage of your average chuubas audience will be lonely faggots.
Lonely faggots that most likely hates hearing about their oshi being railed.
Just the way things are.

they don't do GFE..... until rent is due

>>23430305
The first time I heard it was people talking about Red Letter Media, podcasts, Youtubers, etc., in the sense of a "friend simulator" rather than GFE.

>>23429564
What many of them don't seem to understand is that people just don't like being lied to. Not just when it comes to things like this but in general. Those who don't want to watch knowing they have a boyfriend will leave, and those who don't care will stay. It's that simple. Honesty is better, but honesty doesn't bring in the money I guess.
Shirara is a good example. When she goofed she tried to play it off and her chat pretended like they didn't care, but in the end all her paypigs pretty much left her because she advertised herself as single and just as lonely as they were/are and then she exposed herself as a filthy liar, and in the end she had to graduate because she wasn't making any money (or went corpo I dunno). I think at least some of them had stuck around if she had been honest from the get-go.
It was pretty funny how she was still seething about it when she graduated though. I don't remember what she tweeted and she's privated the Twitter now, but it was essentially a "fuck you" tweet for something that was her own fault kek. Maybe if she hadn't been a lying cunt none of that would have happened.

>>23430969
It doesn’t even have to be that Mr. Rodgers teaching you to tie your shoes is parasocial. Life lessons from Sesame Street too.
Any time someone you don’t know is influencing your life in any way is a parasocial relationship, they aren’t bad inherently.

>>23429631
FPBP
The real problem is they want to have their cake and eat it, too.

chuubas have parasocial relationships with their chat, but no one wants to talk about that.

>>23429631
>>23434924
>>23429760

> Because they are jealous and they also aren’t real vtubers, so they need to shit on people being more successful and loved than they will ever be.
> Even Japanese vtubers with confirmed boyfriends or husbands aren’t as self righteous to talk shit about other type of vtubers.

>>23430104
correct

>>23429892
I mean it can be for fun, but then you'd really have to be upfront about what kind of vtuber your are from the outset. And tons of vtubers be they male or female rarely disclose their relationship status because surprise surprise, this hobby is inhabited by a ton of lonely individuals with tons of time and cash.

GFE and lonely men falling for the illusion is all they have though. Nobody cares about some girl's community, that's what male streamers are for. This is why women can't do anything other than porn, softcore or GFE. They're not interesting enough to just be a streamer like men do because for the most part, none of them ever cared about anything so they're not interesting people. The illusion of a cute single girl is what makes them money, even corpos know this.

>>23429564
gfe fags lmao
>P...pls ms mori pls pretend to be my gf if I akaspa you every stream.... b....big ups from ya boi lclapen

>>23435181
Veibased

>>23430056
What does it mean?

>>23429564
Literal who.

>>23429892
>they do it for fun AND money on the side

the problem is that there's no incel culture in the west like in dying asian countries

>>23434995
No the real thing they don’t want to talk about is that content creation, streaming in particular, leans heavily on exploiting loneliness. You literally can’t be a successful streamer without cultivating parasocality, that’s what the streamers “community” is.

>>23429760
> dragoonigger
> shit opinion
kek
>>23435730
nice argument

>Why yes, I do only watch slutchuubas that pretend to be your girlfriend or to suck your dick for money who also fully admit that they are escort girls for hire, how could you tell?
>Ah yes, of course I am also a vip member of her fanclub to watch her live-action masturbation streams, was it that obvious?

>>23434995
"parasocial relationship" is a meme term anyway
there's nothing wrong with that kind of relationship or even lvong your oshi as long as you don't become a stalker or doxxfag or something

>>23435790
you're unironically retarded

2view roasties seething

>>23435790
What people need to understand is that vtubers are not people behind the screen they might meet on the street
Vtubers are like an actor from an avengers movie that visits a child with cancer because it pays

>>23430597
/thread

>>23435970
What you’re feeling isn’t from pure entertainment, it’s your friend telling you a funny. Just admit it fag.
The most generic tv show is far more entertaining than any YouTuber or stream will or has ever been.

>>23429564
English-speaking indies and girls in small corpos do it pretty well.
>which ones
Like fuck I'm telling you or anyone else on this board. The last thing I need is Luxiem's ugly-ass cat-lady whores to start harassing them or their fans.

>>23433186
This.
Its not that hard, and there's plenty of streamers that have a decent following that admit to having a boyfriend.
One of the indies I watch is solidly in the 50-100 range ccv daily. But she regularly shuts people down by saying she has a boyfriend, avoids yuri bait by saying she's not into that stuff even if she has a "waifu", and is always upfront about what she's providing as a streamer.

I watch her because I don't mind it because she's more like a entertaining/friend than someone I feel can relate to me. But a lot of these GFE or fake-gfe chuubas try to get their audience of lonely men to "relate" to them and drop hints about what it'd be like to date them and all this stuff, objectively to lead people on. When they have a BF is just means all that was complete horse shit and they're a lying cunt.

>>23429564
it's a garbage opinion anon. why get so worked up over it?

>>23436152
>The most generic tv show is far more entertaining than any YouTuber or stream will or has ever been
No. TV shows are lowest form of storytelling. Just ask /tv/.
Also GFE is superior content. It separates the good streamers from casual ones.

>>23429564
I swear people in the west is fucking entitled.
In JP the girls actually try to entertain you and play the entertainer role.
In the west girls demand money and attention just for tweeting and turning on stream.

Some 2views deserve to be stay 2views.

Does BFE exist for male vtubers? I'm not of the female variety so I have no idea what the female viewers are looking for

The only people that dislike chuubas with boyfriends are the cucks that self-insert as the viewer, instead of self-inserting as the boyfriend

>>23436152
I've watch some pretty bad tv shows, I'd have to disagree.
Mostly because bad TV shows are straight up offensive and make you feel disgusting for wasting your time.

>>23436152
>The most generic tv show is far more entertaining than any YouTuber or stream will or has ever been.
You have absolutely no idea just how bad TV has gotten.

>>23436395
Yes, just look at milord

>>23436398
NTR apologist moment

>>23436398
the ultimate cuck take

>>23436395
Yes thats exactly what Luxiem are popular for. They do what female vtubers do but with boys instead. They do imaginary date streams, pretend to be your bf in their voicepacks and shit, flirt with each other like how girls do the yuribaiting.

> NTR apologist moment

>>23436395
Vox from NijiEN proved that catering to fujos with BFE is a very viable market.

>>23436395
Absolutely, just look at NijiEN. Outside of a few streamers off the top of my head like Ike and Shu, most of them really lean in heavily to BFE, because that really brings in a ton of money and views.

>>23436549
>>23436448
>>23436561
Kind of based, not gonna lie

>>23436398
This is deadly copium

>>23435248
>Western women having a bodycount less than 15

>>23436395
Vox is a double hitter, pandering to fujos and yumes. It's also why this board has gotten even worse since Luxiem's inception, all of the stupid fucking women watching him come here.

>>23436395
Luxiem basically invented EN BFE.

>>23429892
A woman typed this

>>23429564
does she realize that the audience that watches vtubers dont have romantic relationships, and just dont wanna hear you talk about your boyfriends on stream

>>23436614
Most of Luxiem panders to both to varying degrees. Shu (the least popular one) is the outlier outside of voice packs. Noctyx is mostly comfortable fujobaiting but outside of Alban/Sonny don't do much BFE at all.

western women are extremely spoiled and men are too cucked and brainwashed by feminism to do something about it. muslims and zhangs multiply like rabbits and will soon overtake us

>>23429564
What the western streaming community had as the the face of "GFE" was amoranth, alinety (don't care if I spelled their names wrong) and thots that would demand 5 dollars for just sitting in a hot tub. The west knew only the worst of it and only that so genuine GFE never had a chance.

>>23436806
>>23436841
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/

>>23436241
This is the correct take, although what's interesting is that while they don't talk about it none of the girls in Hololive ever bring up bfs willing, even the ones that don't do GFE. Makes me wonder if they're is just an unspoken rule between talents to not bring out that drama even though Cover doesn't care.

>>23430181
Ogey incel

>>23436395
I've never seen a western corpo vtuber go as hard into BFE/GFE as Vox does.

>>23430019
>Rushia wasn’t going out
They literally went out to eat and she was hoping to improve their relationship by talking to him on discord.

>>23435248
You don't need these memes to protect your women hapabro, it's not like the people browsing this board will ever go outside to steal them from you. If you do unironically belive this though, you must genuinely have no idea just how high the demand for white women is. Just your average femyankee has a higher bodycount than Japan's entire declining population, and her birthcontrol-infused pee is strong and potent enough to give the strongest transitioning pills a run for their money.

>>23429631
fpbp

>man doesn't tell people he is recovering from car crash and is starting to walk some again
>canceled and life ruined, he should've just shared his personal information with us
>woman doesn't tell anyone she is dating someone
>nobody should be expected to share their personal lives with anyone that is just insane!
Well which is it faggots? Tired of the hypocrisy.

>>23429631
I don't actually care about vtubers having a boyfriend (e.g. if they get doxxed and it gets exposed, I don't really care), but I like that talking about it publicly has some taboo because it's a good filter. If a western vtuber bitches about "idol culture" or whatever, you can just write them off right then and not bother. They're shit.

>>23436939
>>23436975
I see the women are out. No Vox stream tonight?

>>23437104
Well there's only one well known western corpo and goodluck expecting GFE from that.

Based. Be GFE or don't be GFE, just don't lead your fans on

>>23437283
Is this about the wheelchair streamer? That is blatant lying. The other is for privacy purpose. Try again with your black and white scenarios.

>>23429564
This is why you only hire foreign ESL girls

>>23437528
>That is blatant lying.
Why do you deserve to know his life?

>>23436945
Are you really obligated just by virtue of being a female streamer to tell everyone about your relationship status because the guys that view you can't control their feelings? If you aren't actively and intentionally attempting to lead them into that kind of falling in love with you to milk money out of them kind of thing then there isn't really any moral justification to do so. That's on the guys viewing it for falling in love just because a cute girl is infront of them isn't it?

>>23437563
Why would you stream with a wheelchair? Pity points?

>>23437563
why are you a incel?

>>23437604
Maybe it's comfortable.

>>23437528
>privacy purposes
please try again without a retarded argument anon

>>23437319
you're a pathetic loser

>>23429631
FPBP

>>23437622
>Wheelchair as a sign of comfort
Goodluck with your mental gymnastics

>>23437636
>no arguments
i accept your concession holocel

>>23434995
Marine did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VIeV_LZXHM

>>23437717
The man doesn't have a right to comfort? He can't sit where he wants in the privacy of his own home? Man, women are something else.

>>23437573
>Are you really obligated just by virtue of being a female streamer to tell everyone about your relationship status because the guys that view you can't control their feelings?

I was more meaning about how after years of streaming and if they are in relationships that it never comes up causally in random small moments.

>>23437735
sorry but I'm not puling shit out of my ass to counter shit, also im a unityfag.

>IP count goes up
>can immediately tell it's some upset hole PMSing

>>23437772
>privacy of his own home
>streaming in a wheelchair for the public to see
7.5 points for the mental long jump

amouranth made 5 millions in one month (according to her in a interview for forbes) why would anyone care about GFE in the west?

>>23437901
So if he streams, he doesn't have a right to any privacy? Okay, glad we agree, I'll apply that to women as well.

>IP count goes up
>can immediately tell it's some upset hole PMSing

>>23436939
i'm not even right-wing you fucktard i just like cute nice girls

>>/vt/?task=search2&search_filename=16452628173.png
Utterly deranged.

>>23429564
Funny video. Thanks OP

ITT incels seething

>>23437784
Oh it actually slips up. But clippers won't show those. After all, decline of vtuber would mean decline for their clips ending in lower revenue

If I didn't see my Parasocial interactions with Jerma985, I probably would of never noticed it... He was my "friend" in my head. I knew he didn't know my name or anything like that, but I was emotionally relying on this person, his jokes, his community... I was way way way too invested.

When he announced he got a girlfriend, I got seriously sad, and I was extremely confused. I really had emotions for this person, like they were close to me. "He's going to stream less now and spend time with her" and other stupid thoughts flooded my brain for days and I realized, this was the unhealthy shit you'd say about a REAL Friend, not some guy on the internet.

Then I realized... Oh shit, I was doing this exact some thing with Kiara, I assumed she was gay so any romance stuff was a non issue, but she was my closest "friend". It was a sad wake up call, I had given her so much money, bought all the merch, and was just... in love with her but as a person.

No romance was ever involved, but deep one sided emotional attachment

>>23437784
>>23438062
https://streamable.com/82tfiw

>>23438100
Interesting note about this whore is that she did exactly what the anons in this thread have mentioned specifically.

>>23437949
if he streams, he doesn't have a right to any privacy?
6.8 points for the paparazzi mentality dive

>>23437784
Some people just value their privacy. I'm not the anon you were talking to, but Sakura Miko just recently revealed she actually has a brother and a sister, with herself being the eldest. Her chat was pretty surprised to find out, after years of following her.

>>23435939
do Nakirigumi really..?

>>23437573
>Are you really obligated just by virtue of being a female streamer to tell everyone about your relationship status because the guys that view you can't control their feelings?
Yes—or at the least, it should be kept completely under lock. If that's a bother, then just stream normally, or even completely without a facecam, and focus on humor or commentary instead of being a VTuber. Anyone—whether audience or entertainer—who engages in self-deception over this shouldn't be in the hobby. There is no reason to even show your face if you want to provide content that is purely cerebral or otherwise driven by thoughtful/funny commentary rather than parasocial. No chuuba I watch regularly is the funniest or cleverest entertainer/artist I could be patronizing.

Damn, the people in this thread really do exist huh?

>>23438246
When this faggot said wheelchairs are comfortable >>23437622 you should have realized you were being trolled.

>>23438442
It's a slow day. Might as well feed the trolls.

>>23433186
>>23436241
>>23436945
>>23437573
>>23437784
>>23437784
>>23438189
>>23438277
They're playing characters, anons. Every vtuber is. None of them are 100% their authentic self while streaming. They're here to entertain you but 9/10 of even the holo girls/boys have partners or spouses they hide well. They're not actually little anime women. If you feel lied to it's because you can't understand when an actor takes up a role they don't become that person. If you're transitioning from anime or regressive idol culture it's hard to understand but it's worth taking the time to get used to. You don't have to put up with streamers talking about boyfriends/girlfriends, but they do have them. Wanting to know everything about someone behind the mask costs you your fantasy.

>>23438424
cognitive dissonance

>>23438712
woman moment

>>23438745
incel moment

>>23438725
No. I am completely honest with myself: I watch these woman for the illusion of female company. I don't want to hear about their boyfriends.

>>23438745
Not a woman, but I have a wife so I'm stable mentally.

>regressive
Gave yourself away a little too easily there.

>>23438712
my favorite hologirl has spouses that she doesn't want to hide at all, aka me
>pic related

>>23438712
I mean I understand all this, but that's why I'm surprised the Holos hide it so well as I do compare them with VAs or Hollywood actors. On your last point though is the number 1 reason I don't understand how if your a hardcore fan of Hololive why you would ever want to audition for HoloStars as you might not like what you find on the other side, and it's better to live in the fandom.

>>23438838
so you're a incel uh, get it

>>23438712
Must be awesome to be able to be absolved of everything negative you do by playing the "It was just a prank bro!" card despite 95% of these streamers not actually acting because when you stream for hundreds of hours its essentially impossible to do so.

>>23429631
>>23429760
This. Also based.

>>23439068
NTA but basically volcel. All the girls around here are faded pill-popping zoomers with 80 tattoos and gross piercings

>>23438853
You're basedbrained then. Everyone knows they're playing characters, but just barely most of the time. It's interesting that they seemingly seems to share a lot of anecdotes about their family but for some reason even mentioning their spouse is where they draw the line. Why is that?

>>23439068
>my reasons for watching a woman poorly larp as an anime character are better than your reasons for watching a woman poorly larp as an anime character
kys

>>23439170
Because having a mother and father won't cause their value to plummet instantly.

>>23439170
nice strawman

Talking about your boyfriend as a vtuber is like putting loud as fuck traffic noises on a "rain sounds for sleeping" youtube video because you really love cars or whatever. Nobody is saying you're not allowed to like cars, but you're forcing something entirely unasked for into your content. Simply put, you're an asshole.

>>23429631
/thread

>>23429564
Good. GFEfags deserve the rope

>>23438712
Thats true for all streamers, do you really think that someone is 100% their authentic self just because they present their real face? Every streamer is choosing what to say in front of the camera. They're aware of how to behave in order to gain viewers. Do you really think vtubers are the only exception just because they have an anime voice?

>>23429564
These are just normal lazy western girls who see shark make a gazillion $$$ playing games and think "I can do that too! Where's my money?", they completely fail to understand what made the others successful and are blind with selffishness and envy and think they have anything important to say.

I find the opinion of all 2 views irrelevant.

>>23429564
This is also why you should avoid vtubers whose ONLY redeeming quality is "being a girl". Let these shallow grubby bitches drown in their talentlessness.

>>23436395
BFE is hardly new

>>23429631
FPBP

>>23435181
>indie
She's not though.

>>23436398
my fucking sides lmao

>>23437666
Naw he's based, know your place.

>>23436398
Dude you can't self-insert as a real person are you retarded?

>>23436398
my problem is i self insert as the chuuba and they end up dating boys im not attracted to :c

Smart vtubers that have boyfriends just tell one bf story from time to time and kill all their unicorns is that fucking easy, the ones that keep making ''anti gfe'' videos get maybe one weird guy from time to time and take the chance to have a ''based take'' followed by free exposure

>>23439068
I'm sure it makes you feel better about your receding hairline to affect that politically trendy attitude of lowercase indifference, but in an age when information scarcity no longer exists, it's rather silly to claim you watch VTubers for any reason besides the parasocial experience. You have access to the entire Western canon of literature and music through the internet, as well as decades of broadcast entertainment, so it is manifestly untrue that you watch VTubers because they represent the pinnacle of human culture. If you really respect these women so much, perhaps you shouldn't condescend to them. The hobby only becomes mediocre when it loses sight of its object for the sake of people who feel ashamed of watching cute virutal geisha.

>>23439012
Holo is a giant company and expects the talent to be professional with their day to day relationships. Small scandals and stalkers get handled like in any other idol company would: on the down low unless it becomes a gigantic problem they need to address publicly. Also hollywood actors and normal idols you can visually look at and see in public and don't face scrutiny since scandals and relationships generally boost them. Vtubers can hide behind their avatar.

>>23439071
It's not a prank, it's how every entertainer operates. Actors insert themselves and their experiences into their roles, even the long lasting ones. And it does change them. But so does any job, it will shape you and you'll share more with your co-workers or audience. They still don't know you like a friend does. They build relationships with their fans as well but you aren't privileged enough to see the real person unless you see the negative aspects of them as well and their day to day life and befriend them one on one for years. But you're never going to know the real them. And that's fine. You want an idealized version of them based on what you're posting. You don't want a functional relationship, you want a perfect person to make you happy. I'm not saying you're wrong for that, but you can't expect the authenticity of a relationship at the same time. Just be happy for them and enjoy the character.

>>23439170
>>23439357
The reason people get more upset about vtubers is because it has hanger-ons from anime and game culture. They expect purity. Every streamer is acting and entertaining you. People don't expect it from them because they aren't idols. I also said that streamers this in my original post. Every entertainer is inauthentic to provide you a better viewing experience. They're much different in their day to day life. Every single one. Even the genuine ones have things they won't share with you, and certain aspects of their personality they play up.

i see luxiem brought a lot of fujos and femcels from crystal cafe and twitter

>>23436395

Rushia's BF does BFE and it's one of the biggest JP vtubers. Even after the yab.

>>23439711
Not every person that disagrees with you and sees reality is a woman. Some people just aren't unicorns. You'll have to get used to people breaking your delusions as vtubing continues to grow and vt stops being an echo chamber.

>>23439691
your vagina is bleeding all over your post, do you want a tampon? maybe two?

>>23439831
He also pretends to be a faggot. Like, to an extreme degree, even.

>>23439711
Normally I wouldn't blanket blame Nijifags but it seems like this place got REALLY bad not too long after their guys showed up. And I say this as somebody who watches Niji girls on rare occasions.

>>23439843
>breaking your delusions as vtubing continues to grow and vt stops being an echo chamber.
Vaginoid hands definitely typed this post.

>>23439843
>you have to get used to it as the normies flood your hobby and destroy it once more
yes yes we know, its happened enough times already

>>23439711
This, the amount of ''GFE Bad'' arguments increased by a mile once Luxiem became big

>>23439843
Normalfags subverting yet another one of my hobbies? Expected, really. Thankfully, you subhumans still can't touch anything that happens outside of your disgusting mutt nations.

This thread could have easily ended with the first reply but almost 200 replies after and we still here...

>>23439939
Never forget you can point out most GFE haters have no problems with BFE
They see themselves in the mirror and they don't like what they see, that's all.

>>23430019
The amount of hoops you faggots will jump through to avoid seeing reality.

>>23437308
Based take.
If they have to make a statement shitting on others who are more popular, attacking their fans over "muh idol culture" then it just shows they haven't got anything good going for them.

>>23439843
You are doing the opposite of seeing reality. The unsentimental reality is that chuubas would offer nothing *strictly as a service* that regular streamers don't without this characteristic. What you are doing is trying to make them into something different.

>>23439917
>Normally I wouldn't blanket blame Nijifags
I can, and would, and do. More specifically, I blame the bio-holes who watch Luxiem and whatever that shitty second male gen is called.

>>23439843
>Le degradation of a fanbase
Yep female hands typed this

>>23439917
>Vaginoid hands definitely typed this post.
If you need to believe that to not have a mental break down I guess go for it, but it's not true.

>>23440011
>Western women not being judgmental and hypocritical pieces of shit
Challenge: Impossible

>>23439843
Guess what, there's over a thousand vtubers out there. You can have vtubers for whichever type of personality or person you want, if you want one that doesn't have a boyfriend or doesn't EVER talk about it, there's plenty out there.
You want one who openly talks about having a boyfriend while constantly shitting on other vtubers for "not admitting they have boyfriends" There's vtubers who do that.

There's a reason why the first is popular and the second is 2 views. No matter how normified you try to make it it'll never change.

>>23439854
incel rage
>>23439917
>>23439939
cognitive dissonance, not every person who disagrees with you is the boogeyman in your head.

>another new IP

>>23439843
Even 3D egirls often avoid talking about relationships on stream

>>23439930
>>23439965
>normies wrrrrryyyyyy shit
You could also just get the help you need.

>>23440058
This is the reality of things. This is how every streamer operates. I'm not trying to make it any different. I'm also saying you can watch gfe chuubas. Just be aware they're playing a character and likely have partners.

>>23440126
>only women can be mentally stable, all men are unicorns
You're not making the point you think you're making here, but again, not a woman, never a woman.

>>23440193
post hole

>>23440193
>>23440274
Post hands.

>normies
Dumb normalfag.

>>23440262
Western vtubing was a mistake

>>23440262
I also watch ones that don't talk about their boyfriends. I don't think you understand the point I'm making at all. They're actresses and actors. They're entertainers. I'm just not delusional.

>>23440347
Oh, the CEO of professional help has arrived. Nice reddit spacing, normalnigger.

>>23440082
Well, they're all ugly and or Chinese girls, so you can't blame them for having the behavior of subhumans.

>>23438712
>They're here to entertain you but 9/10 of even the holo girls/boys have partners or spouses they hide well.
even in the west, half of 20somethings are single at any given time, in japan it's significantly higher, this is just as delusional as "they're all pure virgins"

>you don't understand, you're not living your life correctly!
Didn't ask, don't care, you aren't Touma, eat shit.

>Boyfriend = dropped
>Overuse of touch grass memes = dropped
>Selfies ''this is the real me, There's a human here'' = dropped

>>23440370
>>23440378
>guy comes in bodies unicorns
>M-M-MUST BE A WOMAN OH NO
You're making us look fucking retarded holy shit

>>23440378
post your tears

>>23440477
>talking about yourself in the third-person
Isn't it embarrassing to act like that? Just kidding, I already know women are shameless and duplicitous beasts, that's why you're able to lie so easily.

>>23440477
Being a woman would honestly be better than being such a self-loathing, spineless excuse of a man who's afraid to admit having preferences of his own.

>>23440477
>guy cums in bodies
And that guy?


Me.

>>23440441
They're extremely charismatic though. Successful chuubas are charismatic enough to be in relationships. They're good at communication and talking to people. They're not shy wallflowers. Day to day people? Sure. Often single. Actors and actresses are rarely single because they have eyes on them. They select a random guy eventually.

>>23440414
> r-reddit spacing
LOL, you really don't have any arguments do you

>>23439170
>It's interesting that they seemingly seems to share a lot of anecdotes about their family but for some reason even mentioning their spouse is where they draw the line. Why is that?
This is the smoking gun that no cuck-in-denial will ever be able to correct.
Flesh streamers talk about their partners all the fucking time. Real people talk about them all the time. Having a girl/boyfriend is a GOOD thing in society, like having friends or family.
Yet Vtubers never ever broach the topic, but don't you EVER say they're deliberately doing anything even close to GFE!

>new IP
Okay, which Vox Discord did this thread get posted in?

>>23429564
Are Twitch viewers so deprived of GFE they actually want random Vtubers who don't do GFE content to do GFE content?

>>23440462
Anon, you're looking very based today.

>>23440637
> s-so many people d-disagree with my delusions! must be some secret club!

Women are stupid and I don't respect them.
t. Someone who doesn't even watch GFE but hates whores

>>23440566
Charisma in front of a camera=/=day-to-day social skills outside. Half of them are literal shutins who have at most been in online relationships. Some of them also genuinely embrace idol culture and want to avoid being in relationships as long as they're in Hololive. You're speculating without evidence to own a unicorn boogeyman.

>>23440660
Plenty of sad faggots here think all VTubers are GFE

>>23440462
Dangerously based

>Believe all vtubers are sluts and are having copious amounts of sex off stream
>Get called an incel
>Start believing some vtubers don't have bfs or are not having sex
>Get called delusional incel

Fuck.

>>23440555
> projecting that much
don't be so pathetic next time

>another one

>>23440768
You'll never win against these sophists. Don't bother.

No one bats an eye if drop an anime because they kill of a character you like or they make the wrong heroine win.
Why is it wrong to drop a chuuba for similar reasons.

>>23440618
What is there to argue with? Your epic shattering of delusions amounts to your bitter speculations on the personal lives of chuubas more professional, successful, and well-liked than entryist holes in between implicit and explicit bragging about your successful domestication. And you reddit space.

>>23440414
>using paragraphs is so cringe I can use it as an excuse to keep being genuinely insane

>>23440918
Nice try, newfag, but that's not what reddit spacing it.

I don't care if they have boyfriends and I'm not stupid enough to think the majority don't, but I'm still not going to watch any VTuber who talks about theirs.
If you're a VTuber, you're broken and damaged enough to put on a modern day clown mask and pretend to be a fictional character, and I'm pathetic and lonely enough to spend my hours watching you. Why sour the delusion by bringing up something unrelated to your persona?

>>23440876
Not that guy. I'm not trying to shatter your delusions to be rude, you're just going to be sad forever if you can't accept vtubers are entertainers and actors. They all eventually slip up. They all eventually move on and get married. You can just have balance in your life and not feel that way.

>>23440961
>I can use it as an example to keep being genuinely insane

They need to see the light of mommy/older sister experiences instead

>>23440999
>They all eventually move on and get married
My oshi WILL die alone surrounded by cats.

>>23429564
If you watch vtubers for GFE then you are retarded. They all have boyfriends anyway.

>>23440999
>I'm not being holier-than-thou to be rude, it's for your benefit!
Great motive, still an annoying shithead. Nobody asked you for help.

>>23437666
Says the biggest loser there is. A female loser.

>>23440748
>Charisma in front of a camera =/=day-to-day social skills outside.
You've never met a large streamer or actor/actress in your life. I'm not speculating without evidence. You can still be awkward, but you'll be at the point of socialization and conversation to get a partner easily. The girls in hololive aren't idols, they're vtubers. They don't have the pressure or agency contracts idol groups do. They don't have the methods to get idols to stop dating like forcing them into longer performance sessions and dance training. Their idol lives are minimal and they're entirely 2d based actresses. They aren't representing themselves.

>>23440824
Dropping a vtuber because you don't like what they're doing is totally fine, going full schizo posting novels and worse on their twitters/discords is not fine, it's just that easy

>>23441136
How is it holier than thou to say "This is reality. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is"?

>>23441244
>How is it holier than thou to present yourself as the sole voice of reason and to act as if you know better than everyone you're talking to?
You really are one of the most condescending cunts I've ever spoken to on this board, which is impressive in its own right.

>>23441196
>actresses
You keep using this term to imply that they're playing movie characters. Most of them are just somewhat embellished versions of their own personalities with a bit of chuuni lore weaved in. Okayu isn't a purple cat in real life but she is a calm, lazy gamer.

>>23441081
Hey, I can respect being a Kiara fan

>>23440999
I'm neither sad nor do I deny that VTubers are entertainers. What is embarrassing about your posts is that you think your baseless speculations, which stink of resentment, shatter anyone's delusions. You are the only one who has insufficient introspection here.

>>23441331
It's reality though. It's not apparent if you're in the mist of a massive delusion, but you don't just tell someone who thinks they're being gang stalked "Yeah sure, the government is totally out to get you," that's a shitty thing to do. You were having a discussion about it. It's reality. It's fine to get used to it instead of retreating further into fantasy. If you want me to say your oshi won't ever have a boyfriend I can, but this 4chan, I don't have to be polite and coddle you.

>>23429564
Yeah because western women are whores who want free simp money for existing

>>23441348
>Most of them are just somewhat embellished versions of their own personalities
You're describing how acting works. They use bits and pieces of themselves to create a character.

>>23441483
And if you keep saying it's reality, despite your incredibly narrow and biased view of what you believe reality to be, then it must be true, huh? You are so up your own ass you're practically a human ouroboros.

It's a virtual YouTuber.
If you can't separate the Chuuba from the roommate, you are a lost cause.
Only doxfaggots care about chuuba roommate having a boyfriend.
Why can't people treat it like emotional prostitution?

>>23441614
>If you can't separate the Chuuba from the roommate, you are a lost cause.
and if the chuuba can't do that themselves, they're a worthless whore cashing in on the latest trend

>>23441483
>If you want me to say your oshi won't ever have a boyfriend I can, but this 4chan, I don't have to be polite and coddle you.
There's no point in speculating without hard evidence (i.e. roommate is known to have had a boyfriend). Even likeable, charismatic, attractive people can just be single, especially in Japan.

>>23441645
Actually I agree with this

>>23441669
You don't understand, he said it's true so it is. Nevermind the fact that this is the exact same "delusion" that he's deriding, don't point that out.

>>23441557
There are degrees. There's a difference between [japanese woman] playing Okayu and Al Pacino playing Tony Montana.

>>23441614
Shut the fuck up delusional schizo. They aren't separate at all.

>>23441645
so you actually see them as objects/products? which is it? you're a insane cunt

>>23441669
>>23441725
They're financially stable, they're attractive, they're charismatic and not shut ins. They're dating or going to date again in the near future if not active currently. I understand you want to believe your oshi is pure and lives for you but there's maybe a 1000/1 chance that person is the one you're watching. And isn't that better? Her being alone to make you and a bunch of other random people happy is psychotic. Her having a human relationship would make her happy.

>>23429631
absolutely based take

>>23442072
Why would I give a shit about entertainers as people? They aren't. They're monkeys made to dance for money. I care about my happiness because my happiness is paramount and comes before everything else outside of family. Do you watch a movie, walk home, and think "Man, I wonder how [actor] is really doing?" No, because that's fucking stupid.

>>23442072
Either you got burned hard or you have a cuck fetish, and those are the charitable interpretations.

>>23442016
streamers, all streamers, male and female, are objects and products. they're digital whores, prostitutes of the modern era, selling time and pseudo-relationships.

>>23442182
t. narcissistic sociopath

>>23441755
There is but all "acting" comes from the same place. The actor is a person. The actor uses their experiences and shapes the character they're put into. Tony Montana would be a different character if a different person played him. Same for vtubers. They're given a character, they select parts of themselves to show their audience and some to hide. If they didn't doxxing sites wouldn't exist or have any information on them. For both vtubers and tv actors.

>>23442276
The streamer exists to please me, the audience. If they don't, they're worthless, and I'll move on to someone who does. Sorry I don't buy into your westoid bullshit that the audience is always wrong and must conform to the 'actor's' wishes instead.

>>23442182
>>23442371
Based.

>>23429564
isn't parasocial a broad term? it's not just GFE, it could also be parasocial relationship as friends

>>23442371
Fuck off back to twitter psycho

>>23442416
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WATCH PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE ANYMORE AND FORCE YOURSELF TO CHANGE FOR THEM
Insane.

It's fine.
Just remember you are not entitled to my view.

>>23442446
No one ever said this, you actual nutjob.

>>23442477
Then stop being a little fucking bitch. If a restaurant doesn't offer the food I want, I dine somewhere else. If a theater isn't showing the movie I want, I watch it somewhere else. If the streamer won't provide the type of content I want, I'll watch someone else. Blow me.

>>23442072
>Her having a human relationship would make her happy.
Friends and family don't exist?

>>23442243
Burned how? By not caring if a random woman I've never met that plays video games has a boyfriend? If she doesn't talk about it why does it matter? I don't have a cuck fetish either. You're hoping a woman talking to you is talking to you and 1000 other men in chat without a romantic partner so you can each imagine you're with her and know her on a personal level another man doesn't.

>>23442182
>>23442288
Unfathomably based and what it really means to completely shut off the parasocial aspect of streaming.
What redditors actually mean when they criticize parasocial relationships is "the ones I don't partake in." Basically, "it's ok if I do it."
Not for me, I'm deep in the gachikoi train, but you are not only not wrong, but doing exactly what the people seething at you are telling others to do.

I have zero sympathy for vtubers having bfs and getting exposed. Lots of jobs basically require you aren't in a relationship and being a vtuber is an easy well paying job. But telling women they can't have their cake and eat it too is always going to make them bitch

Sometimes when lefty normalfags shit on vtubers and say "they're just men pretending to be girls" I tell them "so that means they're trans and you're being transphobic?" and they short circuit.

>>23442708
>23442288
Sorry, it was supposed to be >>23442371

>>23442556
jesus, you're so pathetic

>>23442646
So no trust issues, nor any sexual gratification—you're just resentful and moralistic. Got it.

What happens when fujoshis get upset over male vtubers having girlfriends?

>>23442954
No one cares because it doesn't entail le epic incel own. *delusions shattered*

>>23442954
If Luxiem is anything to go by, they harrass their girlfriends whenever they interact in public which forces the men to back off to protect them.

>>23442954
That's fine, they aren't a group that is designated as fair game for being attacked by the morally righteous.

>>23443011
elaborate, please

>>23442708
The funny thing is I do have an oshi, but I'm also not stupid enough to say some shit like "I'll watch her no matter what! No matter what she says or does, it doesn't matter!" A. Because that's really no different from saying I don't give a single shit about the quality of the content I'm consuming. B. Because that very well could be false. If my oshi came out tomorrow and said every stream up to that point was her feigning enjoyment, I'd drop her like a rock and find someone else, someone who hopefully isn't a two-faced piece of shit. I do not exist for the streamer's sake, that's not how it works and I'm not going to pretend I'm indebted to them.
>>23442817
And you have no further argument. Sad.

>>23442782
Most of the people i've seen complain about vtubers are right-wing trad/muh tradition types though. Brittany Venti was a right-wing egirl for instance

>>23442708
It's fine to watch streamers. It's not fine to freak out if they have a slip up because they're being stalked. And it's not for me or anyone else. It's because surrounding yourself with a character, specifically a character, and then getting upset when the actor comes through very very occasionally will drive you insane and make you delusional. Or doxxing the actor's other accounts and going "holy shit did you hear random hololive girl said she loves having sex four years ago?" it's not an accurate or healthy way to interact with an entertainer. Looking at them like actors is fine. Looking at them as representations of themselves is always going to be inaccurate.

>>23442853
I'm not resentful of anyone. I don't care what an entertainer does in their personal life because it's not my business. I have my own life and she has hers. We're discussing that.

>>23442556
I actually agree with this person, it's fine to not want to watch someone anymore. Accepting reality and moving on is fine. No one's entitled to viewers.

>just treat vtubers like entertainers
>ok, this entertainer no longer entertains me and I'm not watching them anymore
>INCEL

>>23443097
Yes, you're not resentful and you don't care about the personal lives of entertainers, which is why you've spent multiple posts speculating about the personal lives of VTubers that people like precisely because they're good at their jobs.

>>23443111
low IQ ape

>>23443038
You're either jewish, autistic, or both. Which is it?

>>23443303
It's not speculation, it's how healthy people are outside of 4chan. People find partners, get married, live lives. I'm not speculating on anyone specifically, I'm saying paying them a normal amount of respect and seeing them as humans operating vtuber models and entertaining you is healthier than demanding anything out of them. Relationships are bound to come up for all of them unless they're extremely traumatized or under dogmatic idol contracts. Which are illegal now, so no one signed in the last few years is even tasked with that. Enjoying the characters is the reality we're both living. I just don't care what the actor or actress does behind their character beyond hoping they're happy. They're not them. That's really all there is to say about it.

I don't think people should be angry or against vtuber doing what they want or talking about what they want but they criticize parasocial relationship when it's pretty much the only reason their audience even exists.
Not that I'm saying it's a good thing but it's kind of like complaining that you have to deal with crack addicts when you're a a crack dealer.

>>23443494
Argument status: not found.

>>23443537
>People find partners, get married, live lives.
Except for all the people who don't. But fuck 'em, I guess. They don't fit into my argument.

>>23440053
the reality that you hate tubers and should go back?

>>23443042
>Brittany Venti
Grifter whore, nothing more. I'm trad and I only complain about the whores, which is most of the western vtubers since they're only in it for the simp bucks.

>>23429759
>pink cat support in replies

>>23443537
And the fact that introducing your gay little standard of 'healthy people' somehow disqualifies you from the charge of moralistic speculation is exactly why you should go back to making touch grass and having a normal one posts on Twitter.

>>23443775
Whores gotta stick together.

I don't understand why you guys don't just touch grass and find someone that actually gives a shit about you rather than throw money at someone who doesn't?

>>23443782
*that you think

>>23435655
it refers to how the imbalance between fan and creator/performer
applies to literally every athlete/writer/singer/personality you can think of
even the weatherman

>>23443859
I don't understand why normalfags have to invade niche hobbies and terraform them instead of just going out to the club and ruining their lives with unwanted pregnancies, some things just aren't meant to be understood.

>>23443042
>Brittany Venti
No. She's just a massive autistic grifter.

>>23429564
based, gfe is cancer
I thought we all learned this from rushia

>>23443989

>>23443921
> normalfags
is that your best insult? you're basically calling me normal, insane cunt

>>23429760
based
>just go to another stream
is such bs, they actively hate any women who hold herself to that standard
they'd be happy to get 'idol culture' kicked out of the medium altogether as 'problematic'

>>23444028
Being normal is literally the worst fate I could imagine for myself.

>>23443921
Come on man. I get that they're entertaining but acting like they're your girlfriend? That's not healthy. These people fucking hate you dude. Why are you supporting them? I'm not even mad about it, Whole situation just makes me sad.

>>23444028
'Normal' people should go back to their own fucking hobbies. Kill yourself in some wagecuck accident that your employers will settle discreetly out of court.

>>23430597
belle delphine case
before she got fucked on camera she was just some sexy teasing, after that she was just an average whore and basically everyone left her
same for vtubers with bfs, they are just whores

>>23443859
Where do you think you are, retard?

>>23444128
I do not recall asking, pseud. Whatever you think healthy is, I do not care. This is why nobody likes you or your kind, you fucking 'I've got all the answers, let me tell you how to live your life' retard.

>>23429564
NOOOOOOOOOO I'D RATHER BE FOOLED

>>23444028
Normal, basic, standard, irrelevant, a grain of sand in the beach, replaceable, forgettable, conformist, mediocre, herd ideals, gullible, another statistic, sheep.

>>23430019
anon, they literally had a dinner date, and Rushia wanted to take things further. She 100% is willing to cuck those she demands complete loyalty from.

>>23436043
the most retarded take

>>23444324
No one said this. Fuck off with your strawman.

>>23443859
Why would I want that? People are insufferable. Even my oshi I just don't feel like listening to from time to time, and unlike 3DPD, I can just close the tab and ignore her for as long as I want with no repercussions whenever I feel like coming back.
I give her money and fulfill her need for validation, she gives me content I enjoy and fulfills my need for female companionship, we have a good thing going.

>>23429564
Literally who? Why you make threads about random indies tweets

>>23444253
Honestly, I'm not blaming you for whatever got you to this point. It must have been fucked up.

>>23435525
Based.

Pretty sure the normalfags are the same ones saying they're just actors. Absolute fucking retards.

>>23444648
Normalfags are genuinely mentally ill

>>23444695
Sick society makes for sick normalfags.

>>23429631
>>23434924
>>23437284
>>23437692
>>23439086
>>23439284
>>23439404
>>23442125
This opinion isn't based in any imaginable way you cancerous pozzed faggots.

>>23444786
>you don't understand, they're OWED your views and time!

>>23440406
>vtubers are actors
buddy, you are retarded, simple as

>>23444648
but they are actors. lol, the cognitive dissonance is off the charts! do you also believe anime characters are real?

>>23440462

>>23444819
>I don't have to watch them[so wwhatever]

>let's just ignore and let the trash subvert the hobby, what's the worst that could happen?

>>23444945
They've already done that. That stupid whores like the one in the OP image feel the freedom to post lukewarm 'takes' like that and get patted on the back for it is proof enough that the hobby's been subverted and trashed.

>>23429631
What a fucking cuck. People like you are the reason vtubers are now shit and the quality declined.

>>23430019
There are doubts regarding whether they became a couple or not (its likely they didn't) but we know for a fact that they went on dates and that she was the one pursuing him. Rushia got rejected by an alien, and in turn the deadfans got cucked by an undesirable reject.

>>23429760
why do you shitpost with Selen? Stop that you faggot

good morning sirs, i hate whores and normies

>>23435181
>socks
lame

>>23444648
>>23444899
>Vtuber quits company and goes irl streamer route
>They still act the fucking same...
>"mUh cognitive dissonance"
Don't use words you don't understand to try to appear smart. It's pathetic.

>>23444786
>>23444899
>>23445159
The retarded ESL SEAniggers are awake

Another successful GFE BAD thread, Voxsisters.

>>23442954
The west pretty much turned a blind eye to mafumafu’s fujos losing their shit over his relationship with Rushia. His fujos were attacking Rushia ads, sending death threats to Rushia and threatening suicide lol. Mafumafu basically threw Rushia under the bus to satiate his fans and keep harm from coming to his career. Taking about this is a big no no but making fun of Rushia and her fans is fair game for everyone.

>>23447460
>Mafumafu basically threw Rushia under the bus to satiate his fans
He never did that though.

>>23447538
His pr statement and korekore leaking the details of their “relationship” made it all fall on her.

>>23447796
Looks like you can't read. He said he didn't think she had any feelings for him.
The truth about the entire situation is that she was the one digging shit about him and that has nothing to do with what mafumafu said.

>>23429995
On a scale from cunny to your mom, probably a 3

>>23446324
They all speak like amerimutts retard

>>23429564
This is why BFE is rising in the west. Woman are not inclining anymore and the Niji males keep getting more and more subs because they know what the fujos want and they can deliver. The hormone rush of ovulation prevents this process in western woman because they WILL go hostile and try to be contrarians instead of riding the status quo wave.

Take the Male pill anons.