/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Uniting tonight with Towa!

I love Ina!

I love Mori!

I love the clock and the snake!

uhhhhhhhhhhhh big bi big big b ig face my pmany many so amn peope eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I miss Mumei.

KIARA LOVE

>>23427944
fuck if it wasn't for that arm this pic would be so good

Polka should stream naked

Fauna!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daLziJnhGkQ

Irys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az2L7dtSgjc

Meimei a cute!

AmeRyS Love!

>>23428058
Ina love!

Hey, you're pretty cute you know? Wanna have some fun with me?

>>23428055

Towa? More like Retard.

>>23428039
Polka should marry me

>>23428089
I'm glad she decided to play more black flag, its my favorite Assassins game

Do we love Polka here?

>>23428094
yeah!

>>23428039

Where the fuck is the MV for the previous song, IRyS?

>>23428074
LOVE!

>>23428149
Stop doxxing ame's dad

>>23428058
WE love Ina!

rrat

>>23428094

This thread would be better if EN and the others groups were separated. Leave them to spam their "I MISS AME!" posts in their general while the others actually talk about streams

My Gura

>>23428058
Hm2

The person above me is a gay nijisister

Flare's fat black ass

>>23428177
uhhhhh
production hort

>>23428149
kek

I heard you were using an item

>>23428146
I like Polka!

>>23428229

>>23428183
Ina should stream this game

>hololive
>no one is live
back to my music prod reps I guess

>>23428146
Yes. In fact I'm going to listen to her ASMR since I missed it earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvOFd8lJbEQ

>>23428177
Not sure why people care at this point. It's obvious her management doesn't care either, so all the doomposting about her treatment is pointless. They're obviously fine with handling her music this way so the success level it achieves must be enough for them, otherwise they would try to do things better.

Reine had to survive encounters against giant ants which made her scream, giant frogs which made her scream and now she turned into the turtle doctor and healed a giant turtle which did not make her scream because turtles are friends, at least that's what Anya says. The lands of Elden Ring has many more giant enemies to cause fright within Reine, so you should keep checking her out to see what'll make her scream next. Like her battle against the Godskin Ojisan on the Bridge with his nimble movements and terrible gut.
https://youtu.be/hEPxxdyWvHM
Pekora got trapped within the casino of DQII for a small while, but luckily even she knew that she shouldn't spend everything already when she's this early on into her journey to save the world, so she sailed away on a ship to go kill even more monsters and bolster her earnings while getting stronger to wipe things out even faster than before. She's all smiles while doing so and it's a pleasant stream from the rabbit.
https://youtu.be/COuUS67EaXk
All hail Lui, the greatest dance coach hawkmama manager one has ever seen in their life! She's making well thought out decisions, pleasing her superiors and growing her company with each and every month, living life with a healthy amount of funds to work with as to make money you gotta spend money and Lui's making the best of a good situation.
https://youtu.be/YlZB_yPueuw
Why can't you guys be like Pekora and just enjoy some streams! Like look at her big smile and dorky laugh, she's having a wonderful time cheering on her teams as they compete in the ALGS and probably learning even more things about the game that she never knew about. With this newfound knowledge, she'll grab a team of great teammates and bring home a tournament trophy for all of Hololive to gawk at which will make Towa a proud devil. Go Towa Go!
https://youtu.be/K7wURCteSjQ
There's no more spooky shit in Flare's stream as the Yowapeda stream is over and she's now moved on to being incredibly cute while reading through supachats.
https://youtu.be/nTrM5bP9Des
Uyu is so incredibly close to his goal /hlgg/! He's at 49.6k subs, meaning he needs less than 400 more until he hits that big 50k subs! You can help him reach his goal by heading over to his streaming and giving hitting that subscribe button and then sticking around for even more of his streams because he's quite an interesting fellow!
https://youtu.be/oq5ez-TxfHs
>Songs released today
Did you know Chloe released a brand new original song today? Of course you did, only an idiot would not have known that. It's called Hurt You and it's in full english. Yes Chloe released a full eigo original song for you to repeatedly stream until you can sing the entire song from memory. So go give it the streams it deserves or else.
https://youtu.be/s7eDHROoBr4

REINE IS A BETTER GAMER THAN INA!!!!!!! I'm kidding

>>23428275
Watch Weine

>>23428187

*casts spell that makes you straight if you're a teamate and gay if you're a Deadbeat, KFP or Tako and a Hag Lover if you're a chumbud*

https://youtu.be/3V5reLfPsek?t=6322
Ame sure misses her

>>23428089
Bae.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEWOUb2lMxA

>>23428275
????????

>>23428334
she should aim better next time

>>23428354
I thought she was dying from covid.

>>23428213
Where is she?

>>23428292
>>23428298
>>23428359
Tits too small

>>23428375
Fauna helped her and now she's better.

>>23428375
It was just a cold.

Ouro 'one extra booster can't hurt' Kronii is the one currently dying from the co-weed.

Why is everyone so obsessedwit Ranni?
She's just an ugly doll

>>23428292
Reinefriend you said Pekora again in Towa's part...

>>23428396
All Fauna did was vomit on her.

After much deliberation, it has been decided that Mooms will be claiming this image slot

Reine has understood the real mean of the Elden Ring story

>>23428386

>>23428427
AND IT WORKED.

>>23428386
BASED massive titty lover

>>23428424
Oops.

Not having a search function in this inventory was one of the biggest sins ER committed.

>>23428420
You're just an ugly faggot

>>23428386

>>23428354
why does this rat insist on tempting me sexually

>>23428420
She's a woman and she will marry you.

Then you get to live in space instead of a dead world full of people trying to kill you.

>>23428427
Not true

>>23428382
In my bed

>>23428456
Console in mind

Remember when anons were overdosing on hopium yesterday thinking Kiara was doing an offcollab?

>>23428448

>>23428499
IRyS' complete lack of interest in her own songs makes me not want to listen to them

>>23428386

Frenzied Flame ending/group is better

>>23428094
Cute and sexy.

>>23428505
those weren't anons those were schizos

>>23428122
You are not a cute girl

>>23428292
fuck off avatarnigger

>hanging with Fia when you married Ranni
already?
What a whore

I want to leave Towa as a single mother with a half black baby

A literal fucking burger

>>23428524
I make a point to watch this all the way through whenever it appears.

>>23428420
she is blue, every one wants to fuck blue things for some reason

>>23428522
cover is retarded when it comes to irys's music, pureasu undastando

>>23428292
Is this your oshi Reinefriend?

>>23428334
>I miss Gura
Nice acting Ame. Didn't even remotely come off as genuine.

towa is one of those holos that are unrapable cuz i would feel bad hurting her

>>23428587
Blue holos are the best too
Suisei, Gura, Kobo

I'm going to take a shower so I'm fresh for Ina's stream

>>23428585
that's a krabby patty

>>23428584
I'll support you, but only because it'll make it easier to convince her to settle for me.

>>23428505
Wasn't it chumbuds and teamates thinking Gura will off-collab with Ame? I don't watch those 2 so I dunno. I don't even know what's happening anymore and who will travel where and meet up with whom.

>>23428540
it is the only non gay ending

>>23428593
No! She's really cute though and you should stream her original song that came out today.
https://youtu.be/s7eDHROoBr4

>>23428334
Reine's I MISS FAUNA unironically sounded more genuine than this

>>23428635
Just chumbuds. Teamates were telling them to fuck off.

>>23428613
Ame intentionally said it mockingly.

>>23428585
As for me, it's team Nigger.

>>23428613
>>23428666
holy ultra cope and samefag

>>23428657
What are going to do if I don't, "hurt me"?

Reine is PROGNATE?

I kissed a girl once and she got pregananant

https://youtu.be/rZ_w6adwdxg
So it's like that Towa huh?

>>23428657
will she be able to relase an og song longer than 1:50 minutes?

>>23428711
with me

>>23428667
>>23428635
chumbuds don't expect gura to show up anywhere until monday at the earliest, teamatechama

Reine what the FUCK was that scream holy shit why are you like this

>>23428169
the cutest!

>>23428635
>Wasn't it chumbuds and teamates

No. The Gurame schizos no longer belong to either fanbase. They lurk and wait until there is any hint of Gura and Ame interacting and then they spam the hell out of their ship. They don't actually watch or care about either of the girls at this point. The last time they watched Hololive was before IRyS debuted.

>>23428711
No, instead she's gonna raise her wife's son

>>23428715
that girl? me

Damn that's a real spicy ;) dream

>>23428730
Dumb child, you're not supposed to wear clothing in the bath

>>23428505
>>23428635
>autists reading too much into an obvious joke

>>23428764

Reine is fucking nigh unkillable at this fucking point jesus christ

>>23428745
>expected sex dream because she is thirsty as fuck for that necrophiliac pussy
>get DRAGON COCK OUT OF NOWHERE

man, reine is really making the game look stupid at this point

Reine absolutely annihilated that gay ass dragon.

>>23428750
>The last time they watched Hololive was before IRyS debuted
It was better back then

>>23428745
She got too horny and didn't expect to fight a dragon

>>23428709
Yes.
>>23428723
God I hope so, but her songs are still really cool to listen to.

is this the tranny thread where people erp about sucking each other dicks?

I don't get what happened to Fia...

>>23428784

>>23428750
That's what the voices in your head tell you, I assume?
I watch tons of hours of Hololive every single day and ship Gurame just as much as I used to

>>23428522
>>23428590
She likes her 2 most recent ones though

>>23428821
>Yes.
Give me your worst then

Reine stripped a dead lady...

>>23428828
You're thinking about eggcord

https://youtu.be/qRXar7ts46o

>>23428831
godwyn's giant zombie cock killed her

>>23428828
No, that's /ggg/ & /who/

>>23428788
*dies of lung cancer*

>>23428831
She "fucked" godwyn corpse
Now she has to give the armor to D brother for the grand final

>>23428815
if i see the manipulator on the street shit is on sight

Saturday Sven Co-op with /hlgg/ has wrapped up for the day, a little earlier than usual. Thank you to everyone who joined!

>>23428852
You underestimate my power.

>that's so spicy

>>23428540
I fucking pray the DLC follows the Frenzied Flame ending.
Maybe with you being a new Tarnished and Melina recruiting you to help kill your frenzied self (aka the new "final boss", with you needing to kill Hyetta and Yura as the bosses before yourself.

why does reine hide her tits just out of view this stream?

>>23428862
This shit is so fucking offputting I wish you idiots would stop posting these

How popular are the EN girls with Japanese fans?

>>23428924
https://youtu.be/u_YENccx8lg

was picrel the peak of HoloEN and Gurame?

FIA, THE DEATHBED COMPANION

>>23428881
That's pretty spicy

>Rewatching Fauna's streams when she was talking about her Emo phase
Man, do zoomers even have an Emo phase now?

>>23428904
Korone has been banned in e-sport ever since that match where two Korone players kept doing that move for an hour to protest against people mocking them for using an OP character. I'm not feeling threatened by banned Korone, Chloefriend

>>23428917
I just want the DLC to flesh out the story more

KRONMEI LOVE

can she even do milicent's thing with malenia dead?

Ina's animation stream is so god damn comfy, it was perfect to have on while finishing up some work. Bless my priestess

>>23428437
>>23428451
>>23428468
>>23428523
Still too small

>>23428904
Kiara kick is more impresive

How many of you are 3rd worlders not able to come to the conventions in the next month

>>23428635
>>23428667
Hey don't look at me, even if there was a Gurame collab I still wouldn't watch it since that would entail having to watch Ame.

>>23428970
Emo died out teen years ago, man.

>>23428970
I misread that as Elmo phase

>>23428958
>inb4 the court rules the child is entitled to child support from his estate anyways, because it always rules in favor of the child

>>23428970
It's a socialism doomer phase, now, thanks to fags like Hasan and Greta.

>>23429001

May is almost upon us. This is the month for HoloX 3D. Gods be praised.

Who will do their reps first: Towa or Ame?

>>23428970
Kinda, it's a weird blend of sad rap and pop rock/punk. t.has zoomer sister.

>>23429033
I still haven't grown out of my cookie monster phase

>Reine is missing the kino of Fia quest

>>23428976
I want the DLC to give us more slutty armor and some cool weapons.

>>23429070
Neither

>>23429070
Ame invented japanese

Top 5 worst members of Hololive:
5. Iofi
4. Anya
3. Towa
2. Ollie
1. Mori

Pekora
Why is she like this?

>>23428904
I'm pretty sure (You) would dislocate your hip or something like that if you tried that move

>>23429009
>How many of you are 3rd worlders
They're the ones who can go though, aren't they?

>>23429001

>>23429083
It's a great faith greatsword, too, until you get enough smithing stones to pump the gargoyle's blade up to max.

>>23428970
It's called "e-girl" now and they end up on tiktok usually

>>23429104
I disagree

>>23429070
put both in a collab again

>uyu still going
>400-300 more to go
Anons....I can save him....

>>23429009
I don’t even know what convention you are talking about

>>23429080
Gura should do a Muppets Movie watchalong.

>>23428958
She had to extract that from his testicles

>>23429092
I unironically thought this was a boy...

>>23429104
What did Anya do besides insist on wearing her obasan outfit.

>>23429104
Top 5 Towa members of Hololive:
5. Towa
4. Towa
3. Towa
2. Towa
1. Towa

>>23429070
Ame is already japanese

Balls On Chin Blessing

>>23429131

>>23429176
proof?

>>23429164
The lack of nipples visible through the skintight leotard is uncanny.

>>23429104
1. Towa
2. Oga
3. Watame
4. Ayame
5. !ofi

I wish Ame was streaming rigth now

>>23428039
hello bros! just got done with my human immersion therapy for the day! how have thr streams been?

>>23429189

>>23429176
>not Towa 5

I wish Towa was jacking me off right now.

>>23429175
stuffs

>>23429205
>oga
What the fuck? Did you not see his holofes watchalongs?

>>23429176
Towa!!!1

>>23429176
>no Towa
Shit list.

name every towa

Thoughts?

>>23429209
same desu

>Irys abandoned by Cover
>Kronii is depressed and barely cares
>Gura stopped trying
>Ame is a recluse
>Sana is, well...
>Mori is a yab machine
>Ina is just doing her thing when not dying
>Kiara is banished to the EU realm
>Bae is honorary HoloKR
>Fauna and Mumei are ok I guess
how can things get so much worse in a single year? How do we go back?

>>23429176
>Towa in 3rd
Nigga what are you on

>>23429245
He tells people to not succumb to Chloe and that's just awful of him. He's also the first O that came to mind

Remember when Mori made a track about semen?

>>23429205
>Watame
>Oga
kys

>>23428039
>>23428122
>>23428558
>>23428146
>>23428249
>>23428285
What is it about Polka's unpacking stream that made anons suddenly like her?

>>23429264
>how can things get so much worse in a single year?
EN3 early summer

>>23429264
i wish you would go back and stay there

Give me one reason I shouldn't marry Mori Calliope RIGHT NOW

>>23429264
>Kronii is depressed and barely cares

Kronii's only problem is an abusive family.

>>23429104
Replace Anya with Ayame and I'm okay with it

>>23429264
Mind killing yourself?

Yeah, I'll be taking this image slot. Don't worry about it.

>>23429289
Stop posting Flare

>>23429277
>only O
Holy shit. I am retarded

Did she really clear all the way up here and then not take the elevator?

>>23429314
And she has covid

>>23429277
isn't Chloe a brat? Those hate when you roll over and succumb to them.

Minecraft arc will fix everything

>>23429287
>suddenly

>>23429287
>suddenly

60 minute WAHning
https://youtu.be/hn9E05TK5OY
https://youtu.be/hn9E05TK5OY
https://youtu.be/hn9E05TK5OY

>>23429313
Go for it, man. Give her a career ending pregnancy while you're at it.

I thought Reine already fought Mohg

MOHGU MOHGU MOHGU

>>23429104

Nihil time, motherfuckers

Choose your team

I'm back bitch.

N

With Golden Week soon, Hololive's future is looking pretty bright.

Do you think Kiara is fated to die in obscurity if she stays in EU?

>>23429327
How?

>>23429349
>>23429351
Nahone

>Irys is cute
>Kronii is cute
>Gura cute
>Ame is cute
>Sana is cute
>Mori is cute
>Ina is cute
>Kiara is cute
>Bae is cute
>Fauna and Mumei are also cute
How could this happen?

>>23429349
>>23429351
Suddenlymind....

>>23429348
I can't wait for PPP to be finished! Hopefully before the haachama server tour!

>>23429327
Anon, if you want more Flare you can just ask nicely.

>>23429327
Fuck you, we love Flare here.

>>23429342
That's a temporary issue that will go away with time.

>>23429416
bullshit

>>23429408
Her butt hole should move in with Mori's mouth.

>>23429416
Is Shien cute?

>>23429395
>Povalia

>>23429348
There is no fixing any of this.

>>23429416
this is true!

TRES

A modded Minecraft arc would fix everything

>>23429395
Maybe they'll get Reine's name correct next time.

>>23429416
>Mori
gonna need proof dude
she's literally the least cute retard i've ever seen

>>23429408
Kiara is fine. She's unlikely to significantly grow her audience but people aren't leaving her either.

I think all holos should wait 6 months to enable their memberships to make it fair for the people who want to be day 1 members but who also want time to make sure they really want to be members

TRES nothing wrong with me
DUO nothing wrong with me
UNUS nothing wrong with me

LET THE TARNISHED SUFFER NIHIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL

NIHIL

NIHIL
NIHIL
NIHIL

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUMOsUj0dszADCGbF3gNrQEuSQ
>last content Jan 10, 2022

>>23429364
why all the Holos play this game on members only streams?

Giving Pekora the permission to nuke mod will fix everything (except the server itself)

I want to force Towa to beat the shit out of me just to see her break down crying and being unable to do anything. She's too pathetic to be a devil.

NIHIL

Reine got nihiled

>>23429483
It's already fair. The badges cap out at 2 years no matter how long you've been there.

>>23429348
Hopefully not.

Reine's mimic is a friggin tank, why can it take so much damage?

NIHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

DRE
DOUCHE
ANUS
NI-

>>23429483
You gotta call your fucking shot, man.

Go big or go home.

>>23429481
Here's a picture I drew of her using french fries to imitate a walrus

Man Reine doesn't give a shit about anything now, her build really made her complacent

>>23429413
>>23429424
>>23429427
Sorry, I just wanted more Flare in the thread...

>>23429502
Because they're allowed to so I think they save it for membership

She almost killed him before Nihil

>>23429502
That, Townscraper, and Amogus are like the only games they seem able to play in Members.

>>23429527
she actually upgraded it

>>23429527
They may have nerfed Mimic's damage, but they didn't touch its HP and defense.

>>23429348
>>23429470
While I do want them to go back to Minecraft, I don't see how it'll fix anything.

>>23429527
Reine is the mimic

>>23429502
Because there’s only 4 games Holos can play in members only and guess what?
Cover doesn’t even ask for members only perms when they request game perms.

Everything changed with Sana since her dog died

>mohg has high fire res
>Blasphemy WA does not care

>>23429264
>Kronii is depressed and barely cares
The fact she did a twitter space when she's dying and not allowed to stream says otherwise

>Weine's PC isn't exploding
Mk II mogged...

>>23429527
a +10 mimic can almost solo shardbearers outside of new game+
Mimics used to be even stronger before they nerfed their code to make them more retarded and roll dodge less and cast better spells

>>23429502
It's not the most exciting game in the world and kinda lends itself to zatsu streams which are often members only anyway

>>23429470
Modders don't have fax machines or japanese lawyers, so sorry

>>23429527
Yeah it's insane how tanky it is compared to ina's

MOHG GURA'D

>I AM THE LORD OF BLOOD!
>haha he has a sprinkler so funny that's funny

>>23429575
The mimic also won't use the flask anymore.

>>23429502
>>23429364
>>23429554
Game streams for members only is kinda weird unless you're doing member participation and even then you can just make it so you only post the invite code in your member tab or so while everyone can watch.

I'd rather member streams be zatsus, practice karaokes, watchalongs, future content discussion/planning and such things

So is miko going to do her wrestling reps? What Era should she start from?

>>23429527
On top of what others mentioned, the gear also helps. Taker's Flame heals a huge chunk of its damage, and the Mimic loves to spam it.

>>23429309
>>23429317
I'm not even shitposting, I like all the EN girls and I get depressed seeing them like this.
Kronii being mind-broken during the ER stream, Ame and Kiara singled out, Ina dying on stream yesterday and now the complete lack of coverage for Irys' new MV is the nail in the coffin.

I wonder what all these game companies feel when their Fax machine is used for the first time

NIHIL

>>23429620
I'm not reading this shit retard

Upgraded mimic really takes all the challenge out of this game huh..

>>23429470
A minecraft adventure map arc would fix everything
that or a company wide hunger games using a map built by someone in cover

This is kinda anticlimactic compared to ina

Why isn't there a [Watame news] guy for elfriends?

Is she going to fucking two-shot Mohg?

>>23428886
Thanks for hosting!

>>23429535
ok sure that's kinda cute

Ina's going to join Ame's Elden Ring today

>>23429408
Kiara is fine and she is a great entertainer.
Her problems are a relatively bad timeslot (for non-EU), extremely long streams and niche games.

More collabs and swallowing her pride and playing something out of her comfort zone are great content generators. The portal streams were the best content she had put out in a while and she shouldn't shy away from other low tempo FPS such as Hitman.

>>23429610
blame Kiara

>>23429612
she should watch real wrestling
https://youtu.be/S0__G2x1FTY
https://youtu.be/S0__G2x1FTY
https://youtu.be/S0__G2x1FTY

>>23429641
And just think. It used to be even stronger and had a heal charge.

is this how you're supposed to play elden ring?

where are fat cat posters

>>23429667

REINE's mimic DID IT

there it is

>>23429620
i dont know what you hope to solve by posting some blogposts on this website. if you are sincere just keep your thoughts to yourself and pray that your perceived reality improves or double down and own being a schizo. nothing you post here is worthwhile nor will anything change because of anything you post

MOGGHED

I'm starting to think Taker's Flame is broken.

Tako status?

She done it.

>>23429673
Yes.

man the mimic would win a lot of 1v1s

Sooooo....this definitely means Reine is better than Ina at Elden Ring right?

Yet more proof that STR > DEX

>>23429657
why would elfriends need watame news

Isn't ER supposed to be hard? This looks like a baby game

>>23429673
Sure, why not

It's refreshing to see a holo that actually uses a good build, fuck every boss fight being an endurance stream

Reine is the ultimate
>You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
>You didn't grow.
>You didn't improve.

>>23429673
It's certainly a way to win. Not as exciting as watching them struggle though

>>23429673
Yes.

Ina had trouble with this boss?

>>23429673
she's using one of the most powerful builds in the game which is called Power Stance Greatswords using the Blasphemous blade
She's beyond overleveled but you can play the game however you want, Ina was underleveled when she fought Mohg actually

INA MOHGGED

>>23429666
>More collabs

No thank you.

>>23429696
laid to rest

>>23429709
was that ever a question?

>>23429714
STR? You mean FTH?

>dex fags on suicide watch

Am i allowed to say she didn't earn it?

>>23429662
she has her moments

God that sword is disgusting.

>>23429715
Why isn't there a [Flare news] guy for elfriends?

>>23429635
>Plank
Everytime

>>23429739
>The reddit spacer opinion

S*nkisei

>>23429610
A Townscraper stream is literally a zatsudan stream with a fancy screensaver in the screen

Hello, excuse for poor english.
Who is hologirl for good game Heroes of Might & Magic?

>>23429673
ER is as easy or as hard as you want it to be

>>23429673
victory is victory

>>23429620
>I'm not even shitposting
You kinda are though.
For example
>Gura stopped trying
What the fuck are you even on about? One week break for house scouting aside, how did she stop trying?

>>23429734
>She's beyond overleveled
120 isnt overleveled for end game.

>>23429721
>Taker's Flame goes swooshhh swooooshh swooooossshh

>>23429641
i equipped a holy liver for the elden beast fight for my mimic after that he took two grabs and the circle thing and survived, fully upgraded mimic is bullshit

I love Flare!

>>23429666
Yeah, doing more streams like Portal would be good for her. She got bit more viewers than normal and hopefully some stay. I think she also played on on a slightly later timeslot, it was like 7pm to 11pm, when I've seen her online few hours earlier

>>23428563
gonna cry? seethe

Reine is having fun. Are you guys having fun?

>>23429729
For me it’s different, fuck tryharding, I want to see Holo breaking the games and pushing the limit of how powerful they can be

>>23429734
Yeah her PC was underleveled