/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>23023276
pee pee poo poo jokes could only get you so far

I like to shit on nijiniggers because is funny but this is actually sad

even the homos get more views

>>23023276
>zoomer haircut
Good riddance

>SEAnig
lmao, either speak nihongo or fuck off

>>23023276

>>23023276
>playing valorant
He deserves those shit views

cok 2 digit

>>23023276
>sea
>male but not very good fujo bait
>hard gay IIRC
>has zoomer broccoli hair

Some people can't catch a break, he fell down the debuff tree and hit every branch on the way down.

>>23023276
>that number is considered good 3 years ago

Crazy how a literal half of the KR branch has graduated but not a single one in ID has, I don't think they're getting the hint

>>23029913
>>male but not very good fujo bait
This. His voice acting stream was the cringiest shit I've seen a vtuber put out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqBVeekLpAs

>>23030094
Indos are happy to stream as a hobby. Koreans are East Asian so they must forget about any "distractions" the moment they get a proper job or get into college.

>>23023276
I feel damn bad for IDbros, they really don't deserve the niji slow death. They are better off being indies or form their own corpo desu

who the fuck watches valorant though?
also its a collab stream of course less people are watching, less interactions with the chuuba and a shared fanbase means theyre probably watching others pov

>>23030363
>they really don't deserve the niji slow death.
they're free to graduate and join the popular indo groups anytime with the amount of experience they got, but truth is half of nijiID are mediocre streamers that couldn't get anywhere even with the initial niji buff they had. Their sizable initial audience moved over to maha5 or other indies

>>23030511
Would it surprise you that this was one of his better streams number wise?

>>23030618
maha5 panders too much to the normies for anyone who were into niji id to move onto them.

>>23023276
I CAN FIX HIM if he lets me fuck Hana

>>23023276
Buff?
What are you talking about?
I'm sentencing you to a slow death, take a hint and graduate already before you put more strains in my company's finance.

>>23030363
It's because of the Nijisanji's bad decisions, mainly pumping 16 vtubers in the span of one year. The fanbase died before it began.

In a growing market you don't pump more vtubers, you make a brand first for the future competition of the market share when the market starts to show saturation. You should invest in the quality of the existing vtubers instead of investing in more vtubers. The ones in ID who did the former survives, the ones who did the latter became irrelevant.

>>23029958
>3 years ago.
sadly it is 2020+2 now anon.

>>23030618
Maha5? I don't think so. The same audiences shared by Niji ID is the Holo ID's. Maha5 shares audiences with other ID-only agencies and indies.
That's why Kobo is a special case, her audiences overlaps with the Maha5 one and normies outside of the usual vtubers watchers. Holo ID's future is looking bright if they can diversify their fanbase, but for sure the old fans especially the elitist ones will not like it.

>>23023276
how do we save them?

>>23029431
Holokeks tire meme

>>23031796
they can play something other than raft
gamma gets really good peaks on his art streams

>>23031862
nijiseethe

>>23023276
The market for male Vtubers doesn't exist

>>23023276
kek that is a buff, I remember watching Reza once or twice when EN only had Lazulight and he was getting like 10 viewers.

>>23032725
bruh Luxiem and niji jp did a pretty good job

>>23032725
vox mogs your oshi in numbers and supas on a bad day

>>23031796
>3 digits
They are saved.

>>23031796
3views are okay for stars.

>>23030094
SEAnigs are obnoxious just like that

>>23023276
don't worry anon, they're doing an introduction relay in a few hours and they're all going to pick up thousands of JOP viewers each

>>23031796
>Uproar

You lie to me anon

So, they were forced to axe mentioning they were ID and KR in their channel name now? Kind of sad.

>>23033361
>53
>156
Almost 3X the viewers!

>>23033393
it's okay though, they have tons of benefits from the merger like... uh... the potential of being promoted alongside Mito, Chaika or Kuzuha if they are able to explode in popularity and escape from the bottom... or not having a management that cares about them and will help organize group projects like NIJISORE or the ID anniversary stuff...

>>23024256
yeah i feel like bullying actual 2views is a bridge too far

>>23033688
Should've paid the bills if they liked projects so much

>>23030094
I guess the money they get from Niji even though they're a 2view is better than the average job they can get in a third world country.

>>23031796
>The one that's LARPing as a woman/woman LARPing as a man has the lowest views
Seems like it's a bad idea to make that kind of character when most of your fanbase are women or actual homos, huh?

last i heard they had a local office for niji id right? did they ever use it for something? and did they close it down now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UTwzLCQ4g0

>>23031604
maha5 is overlapping with holoid gen 1 and reine + ollie because of their utaite circle
i literally never see a kobofag in maha5 streams
most kobofags i know are either windah's bocil kematian or nijiidniggers and nijienniggers who hates hololive. i saw some nijien fujos didn't even know she's part of hololive and assumed she's in nijiid.
t. maha5 fujo

>>23033361
The thing is that despite looking retarded he has a good voice for an indog

>>23034330
The whole point of merger was that branches weren't making enough money to support rent for the said offices

>>23033361
He streamed at the time when none of the other Niji ID were streaming, that extra viewers are from the pool of Niji ID fans in general. Anyone from Niji ID can easily get 200 ccv if they streams at that particular time. The real number is when they streams at Indonesian prime time (7PM-12PM GMT+7) when everyone is streaming at the same time.

>>23035066
To be fair, Kobo's chat is so crowded you can't really see who's who in there.

>>23035066
>maha5 fujo
you exist???

>>23033477
the same ccv as Holostars! pretty awesome

>>23035711
NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO COMPARE HIS CCV TO BECOLAAAAAAAAAAA
t. seanigs

>>23035637
one of their talent is literally wrote a BL fanfic on stream...
what surprises me is that they know about /vt/

>>23033361
>>23031796
It's funny that holobronies are quieter after this

>>23035832
w-which one?

>>23035622
i don't mean on chat
but in youtube Clip comments, twitter posts and facebook posts
for some reason, some of kobo's fans hate Hololive and its fans. i know some of them are NijiID fans cuz i remember their usernames, i had a tiny fight with them on valrius sinica's video. the one titled "why Nijisanji is better than Hololive" (now deleted and unlisted)
>>23035637
the one who posted kevin vangardo screenshot in /#/ and sent screenshots of moona's irresistible cute faces with red hair to iketog
yeah i existed
>>23035832
well i like maha5 and hololive, for uh bisexual reasons
>know about /vt/
of course i'm here, i'm a holofan too
i'm not here long enough to call myself an oldfag but i participated in /vt/ sings

>>23030917
You like fat chick huh

>>23031337
I said it again, them using the classic Nokia tactic was a huge mistake. They thought they can flood the market and overwhelm Holo by fielding more Vtubers. But they missing the point of offering entertainer to the audience.

>>23031796
Add more weeb population.

>>23036206
>had a tiny fight with them on valrius sinica's video
i didn't know valrius made a video about that

>>23034035
The lowest pay for employees in Japan is 130,000 Yen. Converted to Rupiah it's 14,500,000 Rupiah. The highest minimum pay in Indonesia is 4,700,000 rupiah. Getting basic salary is enough for them. So in summary, the big money makers in Nijisanji are indirectly supporting the smaller earners in Nijisanji.

>>23036309
nijiID started long before holoID exists, holobrony

>>23035152
I noticed they rent a place in the middle of Jakarta, in a high rise building. With rent that cost almost like first world country

Fucking idiot.

Here's better tips to rent a place to run as business in Indonesia
>Pick big city like Jakarta or Bandung
>Rent a big house annually (way cheaper and not much legal hassle), make sure the place has good internet service connection
>Convert rooms for offices
>Hire your own security from private security agency
>Hire a local maid or two. They will take care of cleaning and other house chores

Voila, no more excessive spending.

>>23031796
Easy. One POV only. Why they all insist to stream their POV?

>>23036657
and?

>>23031862
This was posted by a NijiID clipper, look up the image in the archives from yesterday

>>23036532
did any Niji streamer talk about having a salary? because i don't think its a standard thing in the streaming scene

>>23036657
>Started longer than Hololive
>Still failed to conquer the market
>Even losing the branch office
Again, I'm talking about their business tactic, not how long they stay in the industry. I mean look at MacKintosh's Quality Street Chocolate. They exist way longery than Cadbury but the moment Cadbury came up with Cadbury Roses and its marketing tactic they became far more popular and surpass MacKintosh.

No one talk shit about the homos anymore, even they don't do this badly. I like Reza so I hope things get better.

>>23036897
Some houses around mine are rented by small shipping companies. Definitely cheaper than renting an office space.

>>23037363
I have no hope anymore for Nijisanji and the way they run things. I hope ex Niji ID just left the company and continue as indies or form their own independent agency.

>>23036657
Their shotgun tactics only works in Japan. Even you can see that Niji EN girls is starting to decline.
In the case of ID, first wave did a good job actually, it was by the time the 3rd wave debuted that the hype began to die, add Holo ID debut around that time and Niji ID's fate has been sealed, and they make it worse by debuting 4th and 5th wave.

>>23037240
There was only 2 years difference between quality street and roses coming out, also how fucking old are you if you remember them being mackintosh's

>>23023276
I'm pretty sure this move was the best way to kill both branches without risking a massive backlash especially from the EN fandom. I dunno if there's anyone in ID or KR that has a decent income, but they definitely wouldn't get away with graduating only the bad performers, or murdering all of them just like they did with IN.

>>23035066
Who would've thought that the key to conquer local scene is just have someone like Kobo, I bet M-chan learned this from Sena

>>23037700
Yep, high rise lot in Jakarta: 700,000,000 (seven hundred millions) to 3,000,000.000 (3 billions) rupiah per year.
A large mansion style house with 7+ rooms cost between 100,000,000 (a hundred million) to 300,000,000 (three hundred million) rupiah per year. Just add 100,000,000 (100 millions) per year for security guard and house maid and necessities.

>>23037886
My guess is that they keep gobbling up new talents and hastily make new waves so Hololive run out of talents to audition.

And yet they don't find Kobo until it's too late.

>>23039140
is it legal though? some places can be anal about having residential spaces used for business purposes.

>>23039274
I don't think Niji would even dare to get someone like Kobo, I sense that her style of chuuba was too risky to be in Niji's target list

lmao, no girls will unironically join niggers after nocsis

>>23037886
Bonni and Siska performed better than most of NijiID, though.

>>23037886
Even in Japan shotgun tactic can cause brand fatigue.
I mean look at music industry, you never see them releasing new musics at the same time right? They usually paced their releases to ensure every singer have their time in the spotlight.

>>23039380
>too risky to be in Niji.
What?

>>23039686
are bonni and siska non-nepotism hires?

>>23039323
As long you keep quiet and not making a racket you will be golden. Also don't take too much parking space outside and be nice and friendly with neighbours. It's common for IT upstarts to do the same thing, even in smaller house and more cramped place. Especially in the city of Bandung where real estate is getting more rare as time goes by.

Also pay your taxes.

>>23040005
No idea, actually. But days ago we had a thread like this and someone said that the Keluarga Roti clique disliked Bonni, Siska, and Mika.
>>23038374
Unironically, Windah is a good benchmark to determine if an Indo VTuber is big enough

>>23039686
Bonni has his voice, charm and good English. He fit the "hunky and rugged handsome middle aged Ojiisan" while Siska filled several fetishes. She's pretty much Nijisanji's version of Noel.

>>23039930
Too normalfag to be in Niji

>>23040207
>someone said that the Keluarga Roti clique disliked Bonni, Siska, and Mika.
Trusting a dramafag? Really?

>>23040296
Can't be more normie than half of their girls. Kobo will be more unhinged if she's in Niji, but alas.

>>23040442
dunno, honestly. it sounds like bs but bonni is quite isolated and i believe that he's /here/

>>23040442
bumping the thread but it's somewhat funny that we had an "event staff" in last thread. again, it's probably bs but i can't just ignore fresh rrats in this board

>>23033762
nah, bullying a random indie 2view is cruel, bullying a 2view from big corpo isnt

>>23037886
But NijiEN girls are inclining, even Reimu and Millie.

>>23037003
That's just how games with multiple povs should be, if it is not some board/party game multiple povs means nothing will be missed.

>>23036206
>self admitted indog SEAnigger
>/#/
Why am I not surprised

>>23040909
Or Bonniver knew creating faction in a company is not healthy in the long run. I fucking hate office politic. Happened to me once when I worked in a magazine publishing company. Not fun at all.

>>23044319
? I'm not a regular though
Only when there's some celebration stuff, because hlgg dislike talking about it.
Well, the ID tally some Anon did recently kinda make me check that thread regularly now, because I'm not that familiar with indie and small corpos scene

>>23044319
Ah the hate, you guys are too predictable.
Like it or not, the dogs will stay, and this is our territory
So enjoy the broken English fuckers. Not our fault your language is the lingua franca of the world right now.
Make you want to wish that everyone still speak latin eh?

>>23033837
NTA but what bills should the talent pay anon?

>>23048684
Staff wages, rent, equipment, other expenses. Where do you think money come from? You don't get personal events if Kuzuha pays for everything

>>23034145
The rio schizo still is alive?

>>23048631
Based

>>23034035
this, for example joining holoID put you at the top 10% earner in the country, moona been complaining about being put in the same tax bracket as a CEO of a company because of the amount of money she makes per month. holoID girls are filthy rich by indo standards and nijiID despite being 2view are probably fine too.

>>23049730
yeah, they won't alright. as much as they like the event and shit, paying anybody out of their pocket is almost impossible. just like the anniversary event when they crowdfund shit.
and they got $1.5k only. good thing the song was decent.

>>23023276
ID should have been merged into EN.

>>23037724
I Prefer AnyColo/Nijisanjir getting Shutdown cause their own decisions like upd8

You can see how Gibara & Lulu choose to leave that Company rather than Stay there, despite the fact They're main faces of Nijisanji.

>>23051156
Unironically this.
And I'm saying this as a holofan, holoID specifically. This was the result of my talk with my sister who is a nijiIDfan, and we concluded that Riku and Nijisanji management in general are dumb.

>>23051156
The problem is, should NijiID get merged into NijiEN, I don't think EN management could handle the influx of new livers. Not to mention that not all NijiID members are proficient in English, so it won't be surprising if Anycolor only picks a bunch of them.

This could lead to envy and jealousy as only some will be chosen into EN. Mika, Hana, and Bonni is already EN-worthy. How about the rest? You can't save them all.

>>23052554
You got a point there, and that's why the shotgun method of flooding new vtubers every 6 months are really, really, really dumb. I can't stress that more than this.
But anyway, ID ESLs should still be acceptable in EN anon, see mooner, Anya, and probably ID KSGK and Hagsmith soon. They all got relatively bad English compared to Oil, Reiner, and Treerat. Might be wrong though, am holofan.
Did NijiID audition not require the talents to speak EN/JP? If so that's another dumb Niji management decision.

>>23052554
Could have at least offered the good ones the EN badge, and said ID streams can be done whenever like when Millie flips it up.

>>23037240
>>Still failed to conquer the market
dyrb holo conquered the market? holoID success came from having fans around the world like EN

>>23054011
NTA but tell me anon, how big is the vtuber market in ID? no i'm not talking about the usual clip and short videos watcher nor the popular-music-cover-sung-in-japanese type of crap.
the livestream regular one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvG5RwcIsiM
>The Benigging of Drakness
What did he mean by this?

>>23054360
>almost a full month of disgaea
this is retardation.

>>23054011
Technically, Holo did. Granted, their view counts aren't anywhere near the highs of 2020-early 2021, but they basically have nearly the entire Vtuber market under lock and key, save for males which is dominated by Luxium's Chinese fujos.
Its still at a point where most normalfags probably would think of Hololive when they think of vtubers.

>>23054445
No, it's extremely talented and hard working NijiID that could conquer the world if they got more support. Alas.

>>23054746
nah at this point they don't even care what they are going to stream. maybe not for mika and few other, but riksa is definitely not one of them hard working "livers".

>>23054346
I would say it's the third biggest VTuber market after EN and JP. Main ID agencies are HoloID, Maha5, and (formerly) NijiID, although there's other up-and-coming agencies such as Yume Reality, Virtunix, Re:Memories, and etc.

Most Indo VTubers are 3views, barring few exceptions (HoloID, sometimes Maha5, Mika, Mythia afaik). The exciting thing is the fact that it's still growing and only started to gain traction quite recently. I don't see much drama in the Indonesian VTuber scene compared to the Western scene.

>>23055053
*Few of them are 3views, most are still 2views, obviously. Contrary to popular beliefs, Indo does donate to VTubers. We can't donate as much as EOP, but at least we do donate.

>>23055053
then you can't ignore that HoloID still have the majority of ID fans within their fanbase. even moona has a bigger ID audience rather than EN or JP. for sure, at the first time EN really boost their popularity, but now they already breakthru the local market.

>>23055053
>Virtunix
>Luthfi Halimawan
I wouldn't count on a guy who doxxed his own talents....

>Miti
She's reclining these days, after the Valentine.

But the rest, yeah. Mika is amazing, I would add Bobon though, maybe Siska as well. HoloID is a jewel in ID Vtuber Industry, even more so after Kobo. Maha5 is still relatively strong, as well as Re:Memories (esp. Chloe) and Yume Reality (esp. Sena, sad about Shia though).

These days Hana and Taka's views are pitiful...

>>23055053
>I would say it's the third biggest VTuber market after EN and JP
You forgot the chinks

>>23055666
Mika is more EN than ID at this point. She's basically what most ID-based nijinigs accuse HoloID of being (EOP pandering elitist)

>>23055666
The only plausible explanation for that Virtunix posts were either to mess with doxfags or to prove that they don't hire ojisans. For Mythia, it's undeniable that she reclined, but I do think it's better for her mental state. I'm okay with the current Miti.

My mind didn't work well anymore, forgot to mention Bonni, Siska, and the others.

>>23055972
setujuh gan, doi basically EN skrg and I have no issue with that. I've been following HoloID for a long time, and always prefer HoloID. I also like Siska though.
If that's how Mika gonna save herself, good for her.

>>23056094
>Mess with doxxfags or prove no ojisans
Interesting. Never thought about it that way.
>Miti mental state
All the best for her then.

>HoloID is a jewel in ID Vtuber Industry, even more so after Kobo
As a resident numberfag, I agree with this. Kobo regulary beats most of NijiEn except Luxiem and the only times that Noctyx and the NijiEN girls outrank her in the daily tally is due to them using buffs like unarchived karaoke's, celebration streams (the current nijiEN meta), or collabing with a luxiem member / having them on VC for the fujo buff. And this is just to beat her regular streams. I could easily see a scenario where kobo would outrank all of them in the daily tally if she did a karaoke again.

>>23056390
i'd love to watch Kobo karaoke without acoustic,
so that she can focus on singing rather than clumsily multi tasking with her child body.

>>23055011
they stream what they want. is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>23051803
You can say the same about coco

>>23057143
that laissez faire attitude is the reason why the ID branch got "merged" into the main branch. This is the same issue I have with Council and even Myth (specifically Ame). Your seniors spent their blood, sweat, and tears to create the current home that shelters you. The least that you can do is numberfag a bit so you can grow the brand and help pay it forward.

>>23057143
if they are talented and hardworking streamers that could conquer the world, they shouldn't be doing that, at least plan what they are gonna do and not being a lazy "side job" streamer kinda thing. by saying "is that a bad thing?" you just counter your own statement above.

>>23057296
Coco post graduation did the following
>went after any clipper or drama channel that tried to paint Cover and Hololive in a bad light
>helped Haachama and even encouraged her to keep streaming as a Holo.
Despite all the rrats, Coco still loves Hololive and respects Yagoo a lot (I have a feeling that she got infected by Yagoos saviour autism hence why she keeps trying to help indies). Gibara and Lulu left and have all but abandoned their nijisanji roots.

>>23057638
hell, yesterday she sent her ~8k viewers on Twitch to Roboco who was streaming Valorant with ~1k viewers. Roboco's response was a very cute "Ksonすき"

>>23057296
Do your Yakuza 6 's ending anon
> Kiryu Coco must be dead for whom she love.
> She said not angry or revenge to chinks for her. Her's life did not worth that much.
> She pround what she did for Hololive. That is matter.

Coco is grand saviour class now

>>23048631
indochad right here

>>23052195
>Riku is dumb
Damn zoomer and their short sightedness, a CEO should be at least a middle aged man with wisdom and patient to make a big decision.

>>23058571
Riku is a zoomer?

>>23055217
The ID market is way poorer than EN and JP, but the real power of the ID is in the numbers. People might only donated in average of $3, but there are hundreds of them, so it adds up. Also ID can't superchat so the vtubers earns more per donation without that ridiculous 30% youtube cut.

>>23055826
Just like their country, their market is too isolated. We don't really know their numbers, just subs number in bilibili doesn't show much as long as they're not included in the general numberfag sites.
So it's safe to assume that ID is the 3rd biggest market for now.

Even that Israeli agency included WIB as one of their schedule's timezone. Israeli pandering to Indonesian, the biggest muslim country and staunch Palestine supporter, can you imagine that? That says a lot about the ID scene as one of the major scene in the vtubers industry.

>>23059097
I think TW is bigger, KR (twitch) too
But pandering to Indonesians provide algo-boost and sub boost for YouTubers

>>23060038
TW? Not really sure, do their vtubers included in the top vtubers category?

KR? Maybe for now.
But the thing with ID is the potential. If KR is bigger now, I think their numbers would still be around that a few years from now. With ID, it's kinda unpredictable but it's not impossible to have 5x bigger fanbase in the next few years, and it's still far from the oversaturation.

>>23058636
He’s like 25-26 or something. Not a zoomer but still young

good thread, people o7

>>23034330
>>23035152
>>23036897
idiots, that video is shot in anycolor main japanese office. that retarded normie youtuber is in japan.

NIJI ID local office has never been confirmed anywhere

>>23057574
lazy is far from what EX-ID members are, man, at least for some of them. just look at nijisore right now. also I believe some said that they can't even continue making content without their "day job" so of course streaming got a "side job" debuffs.

i mean look at the retard OP used as bait here for example. Reza is known for not resting properly. lazy my ass. if only he doesnt look that stupid. god.

>>23048684
Internet. For streaming I guess they took one of the most expensive personal home internet that cost between $55 to $85 per month if their home is graced with shit tier Indihome or $120 to $200 if they're lucky and get First Media

>>23054011
Their merch sales shows, anon. Akasupa is great but merchandise is always the big earner.
Hell, Watame made one whole album from just one merchandise sales event. If each song cost at least $2,500 to produce (according what Moona said) then producing 8 to 12 songs will be quite costly.

>>23064168
Holo ID and Niji ID are full fledged Japanese companies, they've never had any office in Indonesia, nor do they pay corporate taxes to Indonesia except income taxes that the talents and management pays.

Maha5 is the only agency managed from Japan that has an office and a company in Indonesia and pay taxes to Indonesia. I don't really know about the ownerships, but I guess it's a joint venture between Japanese and Indonesian investors and managed by the Japanese.

>>23054445
>Vtuber play hyped game of the month once or twice before dumping it
>People: "Vtubers are just a bunch of trend chasers!"
>Vtuber play one game to completion for days
>People: "This is fucking retarded!"

There's nothing pleasing you eh

>>23055826
Recently China made a new rule that you need to submit your real ID if you want to play online game.
This is from a country that limit gaming time for kids for only one hour during workdays.
You think foreign company want that kind of volative market?

>>23058871
Yep. Just want to add that Indonesia has this culture called Saweran. This is pretty much ancient concept of simping but IRL.
So it's basically people go to local party where female musicians (of the Dangdut kind) or dancers (the sexy dance kind) and shower the girls with money while they dance or sing just to show off that they're rich.
Thus when online simping became a thing, people do actually give money. Not much but pretty constant

>>23059097
I saw a thread that claim that the IDOL team from Israel was supposed to be a scam?

>>23064582
at least play some new and entertaining game like elden ring. i will sit and watch them through just like Ina's and Reine's stream.

>>23066171
Game choice isn't always the best way to boost audience. Sure people like Hana might need it. But look at Korone, she jumped into Minecraft bandwagon very late but people still love her retro game runs.

>>23066454
of course some of them have niche content that their fans like. but he need it the most if he wanted to at least inclined a bit. game choice is crucial for 2views like him.