/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>23012394
>take the smallcorpo pill

ding dong the witch is dead

What happened? Shitty Company?

>>23012394
>Look up Tsunderia
>US agency
>only the last gen and one girl from the first one is left
How black is this agency?

>>23012394
You had a good run Tsunderia

small corpos so good bro rumao

Jesus who’s left? And for how long?

welcome aboard Yuuna Nini, Miori Celesta

>>23012394
That's fucked

>>23012562
Purin and Hanabi, plus the last gen.
Nen, Tomoya, Lisa, Kazune and Aranha

>>23012394
I'm amazed that they let the girls that graduate keep the 2Dlive model, no small or big company do that

>>23012536
Insanely black. The warnings were there for at least 1 year when Kamiko Kana put light on the issue and was forced into graduating because people sided with management.

kek rosemi dodged a bullet

>>23012394
What the fuck happened? Nothing seemed wrong before now

>>23012642
Slugma and Char leaving was a warning this was about to happen.

>>23012536
>>23012496
more like low budget company finally can't pay the salary and bankrupt

>>23012627
Some of the small corpos have a copyright buyout, so yes you can take your model if you probably pay development costs plus other shit.

>>23012611
it's also worth mentioning that Hanabi has been on hiatus for over almost two months

>>23012630
Rosemi caused this

>>23012394
OH NONONONONONO SMALLCORPOBROS WE LOST!

>>23012630
Rosemi is lucky that she gets on the NijiEN hypetrain early on when it's easy to get in while talent people like Miori and Yuuna stuck with Tsundere for lnog time

>>23012630
She was about to join Tsunderia?

>>23012819
Rosemi had applied to Tsunderia while she was still an indie before getting picked up for Nijisanji instead.

>>23012819
She was in Tsunderia and jumped ship a while ago.

>>23012394
Everyone who shat on Wosemi and called her a backstabber should be kneeling to her rn

>>23012819
>he doesnt know

>>23012819
>about to
Anon, your PL reps...

>>23012394
Welcome to NijiEN wave 6 ladies

>5 talents
Sounds like HoloEN3 to me.

>>23012819
>he doesnt know
She joined Tsunderia because she thought her Nijisanji application bombed, then quit instantly when she found out she got in

Ami…

>>23012884
tf is marine doing there?

>>23012587
>>23012884
ALL OUT WAR LMAO

>>23012884
Miori and Yuuna could make it in, not sure about Kallin.

>>23012394
And another small corpo in shambles, if something happens to phase connect I just want you guys to know that I'm taking Tenma for myself

>>23012819
She joined Tsunderia then left a few months later, everyone who cared about this literal who company hated her for this because she didn't 'respect' the company enough to stay even when she got a better offer in Nijisanji. Then, Tsunderia has resorted to not only making covers of Nijisanji songs, but even paying money to have it play as an ad. Go ask the general, the payment for the ad cost more than all the clicks it has ever gotten. That company is pants on head retarded and Rosemi was right to leave.

>>23012851
>>23012913
Shiiieeet

RIP Tsunderia I guess.

Calling it now, they're going to announce their joining of Phase Connect within a month

NijiEN, save Lisa and Amiya from this sinking ship, please.

>>23012394
Welp Tsunderia is dead
RIP

Man, I auditioned for Tsunderia when they first opened auditions and was rejected... I was sad about it for a while but now I feel like I dodged a bullet.

>>23012963
They will get in holoEN gen3, nijiEN female is a sinking ship

>>23012394
Grim.

>>23012982
Oh, is that why retards were shitposting Rosemi during her debut? Now I get it. She really dodged a bullet here.

>>23013023
miori doesn't need a company at this point, dunno about the rest

>>23013113
but you're still a literally who while they already built up a resume

>>23013113
My friend auditioned for kawaii and got past the first phase. in hindsight I'm glad she failed that. Being indie somehow seems more stable than relying on a corpo this small.

>>23012394
Genuinely feel bad for Kallin, I watched a few of her streams

Tsunderia sisters tell me about Tomoya, is he a good streamer? I listened to some of his covers and he is really good.

>>23012394
Nah, no way this is real a corpo wouldn't announce so casually their implosion.
>Chech Tsunderia Twitter.
>ISREAL!
Well, it was nice knowing you, Tsunderia. When a company loses in such a rapid succession half of it's talent, that's a death sentence for the company. Especially when an entire generation decides to graduate at once.

>>23012394
MIORI!
I KNOW YOU'RE HERE!
IT'S TIME!
JOIN BAE!
CALL MOON JELLY IMMEDIATELY AND TAKE HER WITH YOU!

>>23012858
Theyve been kneeling for months

>>23013116
I hate that I cant refute this because its true.
NijiEN females are literally 2nd class citizens and the evidence is there given how they have been treated in regards to merch

>>23012995
Now she gets to be a comfort woman for ENchads instead. Probably a better fate overall, still.

Rumor has it they found out the CEO was into NFT shit and they all quit

>>23012884
Only 1 more wave? You're losing your touch Tazoomi-san.

Adding dudes was a mistake. Hope the other small corpos are watching.

pray tell, who is this 'last' chuuba of this company and is she in need of saving?

>>23013366
Holocope? Holocope. You're getting your EN dudes.

>>23013116
It’s still more exposure than being indie or in a small corpo would get you, I do the see the bias in the males though.

>>23013259
He's a stereotypical lib-left gay. Imagine Uki, without management telling him to avoid select topics

>>23013348
Wrong small corpo retard

>>23013366
Keep coping holo friend.

Anyone that was paying attention to Tsunderia the last few months knew this was coming.
The merch released recently was pretty much Slugma's last project for the company.
She announced quitting abruptly and it seems like everyone else who is able to quit along with her because they literally have no management without her.

Also none of them are actually "graduating" they're leaving Tsunderia but get to keep their models and remain indies. This suggests the graduation is NOT some black company shit but the company actually falling apart and giving them a final gift before closing up operations.

>>23013259
If you have ever seen a gay american male highschooler who went to theater class, that is basically him but in anime form. Super mega fucking gay homo

>>23013434
It's an Uki that can talk, so he seems a little better.

>>23012629
less be real kana lazy af and cant hold a job

I feel like Miori being Bae's nepotism pick for HoloEN3 is very likely considering their history together, like how Fauna tried to get Shondo in

>>23013513
Being lazy doesnt give you the right to harass and stalk her.

>>23012587
>Kallin is Chuuni
>Omega is Chuuni
>Hololive treats their IPs as characters

HoloEN would be perfect for her

hey I heard Baelz pulled strings to get her best friend and her boyfriend in Hololive what's up guys?

>>23013395
>>23013463
Hololive really does live rent free in people's heads on this board.

>>23013465
Lisa joining Phase Invaders when?

>>23013374
They still have 7 left, so no one needs saving for the moment. Although Tsunderia itself is in need of some hard saving. lol

>>23013552
I really want Kallin to get into Hololive. Lets make it happen lads.

>>23013528
>Fauna tried to get Shondo in
what

>>23013116
Cute bullshit. Almost all of them are still inclining. And 2nd gen of males is not even doing better than girls.

>>23013465
The fact everyone is keeping their models is nice.
But since its piece by piece I'm guessing they just "bought it" for cheap.

If the corpo was doing a gracious breakup they'd just have a full graduation for everyone at the same time and close up shop. But since its piece by piece it leaves more up in the air.

>>23013573
Bronies are the only that fear the dreaded penis havers.

I’ll I’m feeling from this is…we need HoloEN 3 soon. I’m getting MythCouncil burnout + they don’t fill enough time slots. They all wanna stream at Primetime burger hours

>>23012630
But if she staying in Tsunderia Sakana could have poached her and she would be in the same company as Pippa.

>>23013549
what
give details sister

>>23013116
Can't wait for the cope when none of them go to holoEN.

Poach Connect is about to get some more talent.

>>23013465
The only red flag I am seeing is most of them not even wanting a "graduation" stream. That seems to indicate there's some level of bad blood.

>>23013395
As long as they don't mix, it's fine. Just like the stars.

>>23012394
REUNITE!

>>23013366
Do holobronies really?

>>23013614
Both of them applied to HoloEN2 but only Fauna got in. Also that vouching shit is a rrat.
Fallenshadow attacked Fauna for weeks over the fact that she got into hololive and she didnt.

>>23013614
RRats. Shondo said she turned holo down in a deleted stream a few months ago

>>23013732
>deleted stream
ogey faggot

>>23013698
Most likely. Bae is the only small corpo to get in

>>23013528
After Sana, I doubt Cover will take any of En's recommendations seriously.

>>23013709
It could just be they don't want to "milk" people with a graduation, since graduation usually implies you're retiring the model as well. But since they're just switching to indie its not as big of a deal.
Yuuna and Miori were already indies/corpos before tsunderia so they might feel its a little scummy.

At least that's if I'm being optimistic, but honestly I feel like something fucked up happened behind the scenes which chased urara and thus everyone else off.

>>23013495
>>23013434
Did someone say homo??? He's in Nijisanji then.

>>23013116
>nijiEN female
Nijisanji would be absolutely perfect for Orla. It fits her vibe and energy as a vtuber

>>23012884
>>23012587
So this is a vulturous party for big corpos huh?

>>23013698
It might be too early for EN3, but EN4 is a different story

>>23013751
do your archive reps, we had a whole thread about it

>>23013732
I've seen that repeated a few times, never with proof. Does shondo not have archivebros?

>>23013116
>Every girl in NijiEN is inclining
>"Sinking"
Rumao

>>23013374
Amiya isn’t the last but she’s a sweetheart and probably isn’t handling this well.

My rrat: Urara's sudden leaving a couple weeks ago made everyone lose confidence in the company, especially Tsundream members that saw how much shit she was holding up. No Urara means they had no reason to stay.

The writing may have been on the wall, but I didn’t expect it to be this fast.

Yuuna without a manager over her seems a little... dangerous.

>>23013889
Vulture chuuba when?

>>23013709
They're not graduating their vtuber avatars so it's kind of awkward to hold a graduation stream while knowing they'll be going back to streaming.
Also the ones not doing graduation streams are Yuuna(streams mostly on Twitch and is kind of doing her own thing already anyway), Kallin(never streams), and Miori(will inevitably get drunk as fuck and cry about it anyway even if she isn't doing a proper graduation).

>>23013908
So another Pomu?

>One of the most prominent smolcorpo is about to be dissolved
Tsunderia had a good run...

>>23013959
Go post about it in /#/, fag

>>23012394
>"Man, if there was a corpo id join, it would probably be tsunderia"
>this happens
I'm sorry, i didn't mean it. I was just joking about trying to join.

Holy shit

>>23014043
ikr

>>23014030
why would he post that in the dedicated anti-Niji thread?

>>23013721
>Fallenshadow attacked Fauna for weeks over the fact that she got into hololive and she didnt.
?? All I saw was some vagueposts of her saying she's "disappointed" etc. without naming names, so unless you can provide something more concrete, calling it her "attacking Fauna for weeks" is a gross overexaggeration and revisionist trying to make up some fake narrative for drama purposes.
And whatever they seemed to have made up and reconciled soon already anyways.

Niji new wave? Holo new wave?

>>23012587
This image gets posted to everything kek

Holo EN gen 3

>>23014119
New Niji wave is soon, so if any join it would be the next next wave.

>>23013600
At this point they might as well release EN3 in May and get EN4 out in December

>>23014159
But the next wave is males and it will probably be males for the rest of the branch considering all females in NijiEN are failures.

>>23013910
>>23013751
https://streamable.com/p0u8sq

Why do Holos and Niji’s have to make every post about them?

>>23014021
In short she never mentioned hololive's name but it was the only corpo that she would ever consider being part of that would also guarantee her ''success'' so the obvious hint is there, in the end she refused because they didn't allowed her to do ''something'' the real rrat is that she wanted to keep her model

>>23014207
We are simply better than small corpos and indies, cope

>>23014149
EN4. It's most likely too late at this point ffor EN3

>>23014159
Them niggas really debuting another new wave?! I’m going to apply fuck it. Can I be the resident holobronie in NijiEN. I won’t collab with anyone and only talk about Hololive

holobronies just can't get enough of poaching poor indies and small corpos for their black company, huh?

>>23014199
>”I’m not a pussy like Fauna I don’t jump ship at the first opportunity and leave my fanbase behind”
Damn shadow that was a little harsh but you aren’t lying.

>>23012394
Is this one of the groups that lets them keep their models and channels? Or are they gone forever?

>>23014249
As long as Holo auditions are open, they should go and sign up

>>23014297
Holo has only got Bae? NijiEN is the small corpo heaven.

>>23014282
Sounds like that Yuri and her GF

ROSEMI WON

>>23014207
>NijiEN graduations: 0
>HoloEN graduations: 0
>every time a corpo vtuber graduates indieshitters invade the thread saying to take the small corpo pill
This is why.

>>23014282
Theres already a /here/ hololive fan in /NijiEN/. He ended up pandering to fujos after asking for permission in the thread kek. You would need to pander or end up having the same fate as the girls

>>23014297
Not before the Fishman

>>23014199
What is this accent? Her and Lilyhops have the same weirdish lispy english accent?

>>23014282
Pretty based ngl senpai fr

>>23014297
Says the branch with mostly ex-indies in their roster and poached Rosemi.

>>23014337
oh nevermind

>>23014297
but you nippleniggers are the ones hiring female indies just to abandon them and focus on homos?

>>23012394
Disregard the other girls for a second. Not because they're bad, but because in the eyes of every agency this is now a battle royale for who gets to pull a Phase Connect and sign Miori.

>>23014370
>Theres already a /here/ hololive fan in /NijiEN/.
Who? Furgud Covid?

>>23014370
Shut the fuck up Sonny.

>>23014368
afaik 0 of them are quitting for good, streaming on a second channel or whatever, if you liked any of the tsunderia streamers that are leaving they will still be around. let's see what happens when one of the big corpos graduates happen

>>23014429
Mostly, the only ones that arent is a fucking wactor reject, a pedophile and a guy that faked his death

>>23014297
HoloEN has about 2-3 former chuubas, they just took in whoever and it worker
NijiEN has bunch of indies from the same circle

>>23012630
She realized right away how shit the company was, sasuga Rosemi-sama, impressive move.

>>23014495
>a pedophile
Kek
Bronies still spreading this rrat.

>>23014368
>HoloEN graduations: 0
Every fucking day i pray Mori finally does it

>>23012394
Who is joining VShojo?

>>23013658
>in the same group as the 4channer /here/ tube
She didn't like being called a nigger when she came here, so I don't think she'd enjoy the company very much.

>>23014469
>Race for Miori
>The girl who killed myholotv
>The girl who killed tsunderia
no.

>>23014476
no its sonny, he played mikoboat during his debut

>>23014589
I thought Rosemi and Kanna killed Tsunderia.

>>23013658
I do not really see the advantage there.

Then again I like phase more than nijiEN because phase doesn't shove dudes down your throat. their existing as a concept I don't care about, what I care about is their being pushed on an audience that only is here at all because of cute girls doing cute things.

>>23014543
Pray for something else, she isnt going anywhere.

>thread about tsunderia graduation
>suddenly nijifags and holofags making posts about them
It's always the big corpos that ruin everything

She was the glue holding it all together.
I'm not surprised as soon as she left, Tsunderia was done for.

>>23014626
Tsunderia recovered from that drama for the most part.

>>23012394
>All these small corpos that basically have no power over their members since they will always let them leave with their characters and channels
It's no wonder they all have mass graduations happen regularly, you basically get given all the tools you need for free and then can fuck off before you have to give any of your earnings away.

>>23014505
One came from a dead corpo and the other had their entire gen quit at the same time.

>>23014650
>not the first post from this ip
You lost

>>23014563
None of them. Vsj+ thread was lamenting SNUFFY getting a rejection letter this morning
We have no clue what they looked for in the auditions anymore

>>23014682
And now they are dead.

>>23014691
I thought the 's' word was an indie?

>>23014626
Tsunderia killed itself, Kana leaving after she asked some questions was proof enough this thing wasn't going to last, or at the very least grow significantly

>>23014699
Why the fuck does that matter? Are you autistic?

>>23014728
Snuffy got rejected? The hell?

Rrat..could this be the reason for the HoloEN meeting? Don't this seriously.

>>23014772
NijiEN also had a meeting yesterday, could be that both corpos are talking about picking them up or something

>>23014469
Didn't she say that she likes her model? It's either Phase or go full indie/vshojo. While it has happen in the holo side. No way HoloEN and NijiEN will allow her to join using her same model.

>>23013959
Post Finana’s genshin stream

>>23014650
>I need to defend my black as fuck indie corpo
Holy autism.

>>23014687
Most of them have clauses, but you can buy out your character.
Cyberlive was the only one that gave it away for free. In this case though
Yuuna was an indie before this, Miori got hired from another company and probably kept the model as part of the perks.

The rest have been with tsunderia for over a year and were probably just given the option to cash out since the company is clearly dying.

>>23014094
She quite literally twitter dox'd Fauna's roommate first week of debut

>>23014650
Look. We tell these small corpos all the time what they need to do to beat the big corpos but they refuse to listen. Fuck em. Let them burn

It was only a matter of time.

>>23014728
>>23014769
Why pay for Snuffy when she is basically already synonymous with Vshojo for free

>>23014669
sea slugs are nice

>>23014823
She doing poorly right now because all of her genshit fans are currently watching Luca and Elira shill the game

>>23014728
>immediately leaking that she got rejected
Seems like they did the right thing.

>>23014769
Well, Vshojo is slowly rebranding to be less yabe and Snuffy is just more of the same of their old content.

>>23014880
>less yabe
So they're gonna fire everyone?

>>23012394
F

>>23014759
I was talking about council. Yeah 's' was an indie who quit literal days before their debut but she was a 2view.

So, which small corpo is doing the best? Is it the PhaseCon?

>>23014964
PRISM i wanna say is doing half decent

>>23014650
Falseflags as both then asks why the thread is so shit like clockwork.

>>23014728
I'm more surprised that she 3ven needed to apply.

None of these are worth being a holo. Let Phase suck up the trash.

>>23014866
>>23014880
These both make sense

>>23014199
Holy shit how can someone speak for SEVEN minutes without saying anything?!

>>23014769
I think they're self-conscious of being called nepotists/being accused of "you only have a chance in if you're a huge ass kissing clout leech for the existing shojos" kind of impression, as that just trains indies to come bow and kiss their ring and expect to get in from being the biggest sycophants, instead of on their own merits.

Still though it is kind of jarring and goes against the narrative that they're just a group of legit friends instead of a corpo atmosphere.

>>23014772
HoloEN Gen 3 is already decided. Their meeting is probably some sponsorship or event planning.

>>23015026
You will get another Sana, you liking or not.

>>23014964
Probably PRISM
but honestly none of them are that great and most the talents are pretty shit. take the /indie/pill.

>>23014987
I'm so happy that Meno is doing fine!

>>23014469
Well there fucking isn't much of anyone left anymore besides.. well, Phase Connect.

>>23014987
It’s dying. Their top has trouble breaking 100 ccv these days

>>23014987
prism hasnt been small corpo leader in a long time. Its pretty much been Tsun>Kawaii>Phase>Prism>forgot the others

>>23015035
I can TLDR it for you
>I wanted to look into joining somewhere else
>But i didn't go through with it
>I'm not going anywhere
>They wanted me to stream as much as humanly possible (probably 6/7 out of 7 days to start)
>I don't get to use the model i made

Now here's where you inset rrat of "Didn't get chosen instead of not following through" and all that

Why do small corpos even exist, and why would any indie chuba even want to be in one?

The only upside is that they provide you with a model, that'd maybe save you a thousand bucks if you were to go at it alone.
But other than that, where's the upside?

- smallcorpos don't have the brand buff power of someone like Hololive, whose devoted mass fanbase basically guarantees every new talent a six-figgy subcount even before debut. Smallcorpos have no brand power instead, you're indistinguishable from a struggling indie anyway.
- continuing with the above, most of the talents from smallcorpos (aside from a few talented standouts, but those make it despite their corpo, not because of it, and would be just as or even more successful as an indie) are stuck in the ccv-nomansland of below 100 views forever. There's no bump or boost from being in a smallcorpo
- and for all these non-existent benefits, the corpo still takes a huge amount of cut from your donos, decreasing your meager income even further for no tangible benefits in return
- anything else that is touted as an argument in favor of corpos (they can "help" you with streaming stuff, legal, merch etc.) is just as non-existent. Management doesn't exist, you still have to organize and do everything yourself if you ever want something done

>>23014987
Luto (their only good streamer) isnt streaming for weeks and just comes back once a month with a members stream to double dip on the money and renew her memberships

>>23014878
Elira is done streaming, Finana is just bad at being entertaining

>>23014987
>>23015097
Isn't PRISM micromanaging streaming times and tanking their live viewers because of it?

>>23014964
Recently Phase Connect for sure, all their EN girls can easily get 100 CCV per stream.
6 months ago Prism was on top but they're reclining pretty hard and their management is incompetent.

>>23013813
>Bae only small corpo to get in.
I guess we forgot about Mumei.

>>23013986
After beaver

>>23015162
>The only upside is that they provide you with a model, that'd maybe save you a thousand bucks if you were to go at it alone.
That's the answer, retard. Do you think people have this much money available to burn in something may not even work?

>>23015143
Oh yeah, with Tsun and it's dudes gone, Kawaii can going the cross company minecraft world now.

>>23012394
So Tsunderia was a black company
, most of the girls don’t even want graduation streams

>>23012394
LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING/ED AT TSUNDERIA?!?!

>>23014880
>Vshojo is slowly rebranding to be less yabe
I demand a source for this claim.

>>23015208
You're thinking of Kronii, not Mumei.

>>23015189
Probably, but so was tsunderia after everyone complained all the girls streamed at the same time (which also tanked their views)

But at this point PRISM doesn't have a ton of competition. PC which has its own huge issues (and sakana is probably a sex pest), cyberlive which is a timebomb, and maybe kawaii? but I never hear anything from kawaiifags,

>>23014823
Finana has 1k playing genshin during an overlapped as fuck timeslot, I didn't know Tsunderia got more than this.

>>23015151
>(probably 6/7 out of 7 days to start)
this right here should tell you that this wasn't hololive

>>23015162
Unironically Phase Connect seems to be best managed small corpo right now and allegedly has good contracts and pay.

>>23015151
>They wanted me to stream as much as humanly possible (probably 6/7 out of 7 days to start)
Proves it's fake, because once you're in HoloEN you can stream as little as you want and they don't care

>>23015314
>sakana is probably a sex pest
There is literally no proof of that, was made up by the few faggots who haven't moved on in /clg/

>>23015151
>Sana
So it’s not Hololive

>>23015318
>>23015375

on the contrary, they may have used a max stream as a scare tactic to shake off any future Kroniis or Sanas

>>23015162
A big reason, assuming they were competent and you had a set goal.

A lot of freelancers don't work with indies, or if they do there's a huge upcharge. Small corpos (are supposed to) be a middleman for that so there's guarantees for both sides and it allows streamers to get access to better artists and producers.

The lesson I'm learning from all of this is that if you're gonna start a small company, stay small until you can prove that you can handle more than four or five talents at the same time.

>>23014964
Yeah. Right now it’s phase>tsun before the announcement> kawaii> Tsun now>Cyberlive=prism

>>23013823
>>23013989
>>23013709
My personal rrat is that if the company is going down and has filed for bankruptcy, the last thing they want to do is wait for a month for the few supas/donos they'll get during the graduation streams to arrive then split that with the graduates. It'd be a pain for tax purposes honestly.

>>23014934
They'll just conveniently ignore the rest and just keep Ironmouse, Nyanners(she's yabfree if you don't care about 4chan) and uuuh... Silverdale?

>>23015417
I say it because everything I see of him looks creepy as fuck.
Dude is a major creeper at a minimum.

>>23014964
Prism is unironically doing better than most of the corpos.

>>23015151
>>23015318
this, that's a pretty big rrat to catch if you thought that meant "woooow she turned down hololive!!!" when no female vtuber in their right fucking mind would do that if they got scouted. A couple of them might turn it down if they have the twich butthurt normalfag loser mentality but fallen specifically tries to not be like the usual gross "LOL SEXSEXSEXSEX" indie glob there.

>>23015151
>They wanted me to stream as much as humanly possible (probably 6/7 out of 7 days to start)
Ayame hasn't streamed in a month or two, but she's still in hololive. You're supposed to stream three times a week according to their contract, but Ayame and Sana can get away with it anyway.

>>23015286
Why split revenue on streams longer than necessary? Just cut the corp loose

>>23014669
I'd like to give the slug my glue if you know what I mean.

>>23015490
This. They might not be the biggest but they have powerful JP and corporate networks. Retarded membership policy though.

>>23015428
imagine

>>23012587
No joke. If HoloKR happens, there's a very strong chance for Miori, especially since she is moving to Korea soon.

>>23015482
You are pulling that out of your ass faggotchama.

>>23015316
Not to mention finanas streams always have 1k-1.5k she's pretty consistent.
The numbers aren't super high, no, but compared to companies like Prism and Tsunderia that's about 10x the views of the most popular members

>>23012587
I know it's a meme but it's likely true. That is, if they still want to do the vtuber thing. Could just go IRL streamer.

>>23012394
>Miori Celesta
>Moon Jelly
>Yuuka Bear
>Nina Saotome
Give me this gen. Right now!

They laughed at me when I said it was a dead company. Who's laughing now?

Place your bets: whose going to holo, niji, and PC.

Secondary bets: How long till PC crashes and burns?

PC is the new tsunderia with refugees and all

>>23015417
/clg/ is the biggest boogeyman in the universe lmao

>>23012394
>Orla Gan Ceann.
For people who say IRyS model is shit, remember Orla Gan Ceann is a thing

>>23015490
based on what? shiki struggles to break 100 ccv.
maybe in superchats they're doing well i guess, but by other metrics they're stagnating pretty hard lately. their gen 4 was a complete flop none of them can even maintain 40 ccv which is the standard for 2view corpos.

>>23015571
Not very hard to, seeing the graph of Sana's growth vs HoloX and HoloID3 probably made at least manager-sans request that in invterviews

>>23013986
Check out Lucastre Mavia

>>23015574
Bae nepo hire. She has to keep the tradition that Ina started alive.

>>23015585
Stop self posting on 4chan you molesting faggot.

>>23015617
you won

>>23015631
>shiki struggles to break 100 ccv.
sometimes
>none of them can even maintain 40 ccv
no anon

>>23015625
1 of them confirmed that she is staying indie forever.

>>23014199
>>23015151
>talk to small corpo
>realize they want you to work a lot
>fuck that
>be extremely vague about who it was so your fans will assume it was hololive, increasing your perceived value

>>23015574
She will unironically kill herself in korea. She’s downright fat by their standard

Being smolcopos is suffering

>>23015574
>Hololive Korea
>Korea
The same Korea that caused the Blue Archive VTuber to graduate within 12 hours of her reveal?

God have mercy on Gen One.

>>23015630
IRyS at least has a good design, but bad model. Orla's is just shit through and through

>>23015123
Wait, did anything happen with PRISM project?

>>23015242
>PKG wants to into minecraft server
>nuke the corpo providing males
Ah the russian method, overkill but it does solve the issue

>>23014964
Phase Connect yeah. Prism is largely irrelevant but I like it that way, and Kawaii is getting carried by Nene.

>>23014199
You have to be a pedophile to watch this

>>23015699
Anon, that's what they all say.
Being indie is nice but corporate comes with perks that are hard to pass up as an indie unless you're someone like Bao

>>23015721
except for when you realize holoENs can even start off streaming like 4 days a week and then just fuck off for weeks like 2 months in like council.

That could also just be council management being fucking bad however, either stupidly planned/rationalized or something else they do behind the scenes demotivated the hell out of that gen from wanting to participate.

>>23015697
Gen 4 definitely struggle to break 40 ccv most of the time.
Naki has her accent and Non is miscast as fuck and can't go a single stream without talking about porn or her sexual history. Sara is fine she deserves better.

>>23015126
Shiki, Rita, Pina, Luto get it pretty easily even Meno is higher these days actually watch streams
>>23015143
Neither Tsunderia or Kawaii have been on top of anything in their life unless you mean individuals. Phase only recently got anywhere. I’m not even sure how you think Tsunderia or Kawaii were ever number 1.
>>23015189
>micromanaging streaming times
Actually watch streams instead of hearing second hand information.

>>23015616
>Nina Saotome
i wish...unfortunately...
https://twitter.com/NinanininVT/status/1517936197267603458

>>23015601
She’s lucky she was in wave one and is good at being an e-girl…but there isn’t much else there

>>23015430
True, but I've heard enough horror stories of neglect or outright mismanagement from smallcorpos, versus indies who still get great models, songs etc., that the simple logic of "dude, you neeeeed to be in a corpo (no matter how small and shit) to get access to all the top tier professionals!!!" should be exposed and dismissed.

Not saying it doesn't happen (some professionals only work with corpos), only saying that any poor girl who makes this her decisive argument for joining a corpo may more likely than not find herself disappointed when she realizes the actual value they provide is smaller than she thought

>>23015162
Yeah, just join Hololive 4head

>>23015756
false equivalency
the reason why she got cancelled because of multiple reasons but the 2 mains ones were that she is a really shit person that bullies people and the other is that the players want them to focus on the game more instead of doing retarded shit like spreading resources into some dumb vtuber project nobody cares about

>>23015699
>doesn’t say which one
I can only assume you’re bullshitting.

>>23015625
Honestly I hope that PC succeeds. I hope one day it becomes the next big company.
If any corporation were to crash and burn I'd kinda hope for it to be prism. The way they treat their talents is shit

>>23015756
The blue archive fans got mad that vtubing was being shoved into their hobby. It had nothing to do with a lack of a Korean market.

>>23015864
Actually, I did see something about the first one, but everywhere I looked people were just blaming Koreans for being Korean. So, mostly for the second point there.

Besides, she woulda been an anime girl. It's hot to get bullied by one of them.

>>23015820
>Shiki, Rita, Pina, Luto get it pretty easily even Meno is higher these days actually watch streams
Is Pina actually doing well these days? I remember when she debuted she struggled really hard and it seemed like it was getting to her.

>>23015821
Good

>>23015825
Unironically there isn’t a huge difference between finana and vox stream content wise. He just has a radio voice

>>23015821
fug

>>23015461
>silver was the only one of the girls besides the actual camgirl who made nsfw with her model
She is a gem, but pretty high on the lewd my dude

>>23015208
Mumei was her own thing(like Gura) and Kronii was a Amateur VA not even a chuuba? Ame was indie, and so was Fauna I believe

>>23015631
Based on them actually being alive and having talents who aren’t secretly bitches to each other and plotting on leaving.
The only prism talent that is a forced coomer is Non none of them do forced coomer baiting for views. Not a lot of them are overly sexual they all actually feel like friends.
Compare that to phase having a fake ass 4chan reject tuber and Kawaii having coomber baiting whores thirsty for views.
I’d gladly say Prism is in the better position.

>>23016015
she is a numberfag so yeah
but her ccv is around 80~90 these days

>>23015890
Agreed. Saw in another thread that cap holds monetization like a carrot over their heads.

>>23016015
I mean 70 is a lot better than the 30 she used to struggle for

>>23015831
I mean I agree its a bit of a waste to do so considering the options available.

But the head start is a big deal if you're starting from 0, models from a good artist and rigger can cost 4k+. I was looking at an artist I like the other day and she charges 3k euros for a model, pre-rigging. That's not exactly pocket change for most girls.
And getting even 50ccvs consistently is hard for indies, a girl I like hovers around 50-60 ccv after 2 years of streaming and she's someone I'd consider one of the better streamers I've seen.
getting a jump start on those viewers is a pretty big deal.

>>23015168
>Luto (the only one I heard of)

>>23015821
HoloEN staff better prove that they found better talent then her

>>23015821
Kek. I will anti any and all new HoloEN debuts based on the fact that I am already pre-disappointed how some underwhelming whores got in to coast on the brand buff, and someone as talented as Nina is rejected by their retarded scouts

>>23016015
Pina streams get 95-100+ these days but it’s even higher for very important events so does Rita. Having multiple extreme Seiso Vtubers is doing Prism really well. Even Meno is getting more traction.

>>23016166
you are going to get another Nepotism hire and you are going to like it

So Mio is going to Hololive right?

>>23012394
I hope Amiya is alright. She's been doing really well in ccv (100+) regularly despite low subs and a refusal to play anything made this millennium.

>>23015745
I become chuuba... to save chuuba

>>23016042
There's thousands of Finanas but only a few Voxs.

>>23016042
kek

>>23016184
This is about vsj anon. They sent out final round rejection letters today

>>23016290

>>23016070
There's a difference between lewd and peepeepoopoo. Silver managed to pull it of.

I only care for Ami, she deserves /lig/ numbers

>>23016290
I think you mixed the 2 companies

>>23016184
>t. actual retard

>>23016463
Snuffy complained about being rejected from vsj as well.

>>23016184
I'm pretty sure HoloEN scouts are at least partially or mostly Japanese dudes who barely or do not understand English and listen far more to the tone/timbre of your voice and your expressive nuance than they are hearing the words coming out of your mouth.

If you can speak in their own language to them that also helps a ton because it now qualifies you as a person in their eyes and not just a squeaky toy for foreigners, I think those were the big leg-ups for bae and sana in council and fauna/mumei/kronii have very distinctive voices and speech patterns, and out of Myth kiara's voice is kind of irritating and her accent isn't great but she speaks nip fluently. Ina's voice is alright but not amazing and again speaks it fluently. Ame/gura nothing and mori is "can order food or find a toilet" tier but their voices are again hyper-distinctive. You're either born with it or not in their eyes, if you can't sweet talk your way in.

>>23016463
Wut, Nina applied to vshojo? Weird mismatch i guess

>>23016290
>More nepotism
Moon Jelly and Yuria are coming

>>23016184
It's not about talent, it's about compliance
You can mold 3 sheep who have some talent you can improve with time, but you can't mold 3 entitled 5k+ Views to do anything because they will threaten to walk

Dunno who this Nina is, but in general Hololive and Niji will be looking for soft clay over hard rock

>>23016392
True, I could go dumpster diving on twitch and probably find a Finana right now

>>23016463
Bullet dodged

prism’s yura and her consistent 100+ ccv lately even when streaming with filthy males
kson clouting and some future possible vshojo interaction as the mouse has been invited to the same ark server
kudos to prisms management for leaving her the fuck alone
id say prism is far from the worse

>>23016463
Who else got rejected?

>>23016302
EN4

>>23015825
Eh that's kinda debatable. A few months ago I'd have agreed but she's been trying to improve and with English karaoke perms I can say that she's actually one of the better singers in NijiEn.
Overall she's kinda like an underdog and a part of me can't help but root for her. She had next to no streaming experience before nijisanji ya know, and unfortunately nijis approach to their talents is kinda a "sink or swim" type of thing so it can be hard to get your feet on the ground.

Overall she's okay. Wish she'd learn to play something other than gacha shit though

>>23016545
Wrong males buddy.

>>23015820
>Nene carries kawaii
>Miori carries tsun
>prism had luto and shiki
all the corpos had been carried by few. and funnily enough the highest viewed stream from prism was sumis graduation(sat around 800 ccv) they arent on top anymore

So the most recent gen is only staying because they are contractually bound to stay, right?

I'm sure Pippa has a spot at PC ready for Lisa. I hope Ami has a contingency plan.

>>23016570
also pre-correction there ina isn't exactly fluent but can get by in a convo somewhat, better than Mori actually I think.

>>23016545
Millie and Enna went in to surprise Elira
Also
>Millie's previous life
>She has a copy of herself in her clause to take with her or they both bounce
Yea, The 2 girls got in mostly on their own

>>23016580
Yuria joined the Angel Sword guild like a few days ago anon.

https://twitter.com/LeaflitVT/status/1516831976262565894?s=20&t=6Mcwmux97yPth8asrOyuzw

>>23015585
Literally his second latest tweet - https://twitter.com/h2osakana/status/1517006851639898113

>>23016545
Kek this is really generous. This is missing stuff like Pomu bringing in Rosemi and Uki

>>23012394
>take the small corpo pill, they said
>it will be fun, they said

>>23016745
>She has a copy of herself in her clause to take with her or they both bounce
In English please, my brain too small.

>nepotism bad!!
shitty meme
sana sucks, however

If anything happens to Prism I am offing myself
Shame they're the blackest company because they have all of my favorite girls

>>23016783
>>23016688
I'm not making a Pomu image so you can shitpost with it when she is the only one in NijiEN going for unity

>>23015721
Shadow's already bigger than most small corpos, so the only options that would make sense are niji or hololive. She has a no male collab rule already so niji is out of the question, and hololive lines up too well with her being a fan for years & having a nepotism route in.

>>23016652
Nina, geega, snuffy, and Anny so far judging by the thread.

>>23016749
Fucking hell. Another one down, thanks for the update bro. I'm so behind on these things..

>>23016570
>all you need is a distinctive voice
I'm going to get better than Mori at Japanese and then get in with my distinctive tranny voice. have fun becoming faggots when you fap to me! I promise I'll try to play a map painter or some shit.

The black corpo plague has arrived

>>23016545
What is this falseflag image

>>23016888
So who are they even looking for? 3dpd whores looking to transition to vtubing?

>>23016849
Millie was the bigger talent, but she unironically loves Enna so much that if either of them were brought in to Holo or Niji and the other wasn't, they'd both abandon the plan.

>>23016110
Prism has some legitimately talented people in it so I'd hope they'd reincarnate but the shit I've heard is that they have to reach subscriber milestones in order to turn on supas, that their equipment is taken out on "loan" from cap and that they've gotta pay that off before they make shit for money.
They're also notorious for holding money from their talents for literal months, I know shiki said at one time that it took her like 3 months to get a paycheck? Shits crazy.
I feel bad for the talents cuz some of them are like "prism saved my life" but even without the nft shit, prism has always seemed like a sketch as fuck company

>>23016883
>loves hololive
>has a nepotism route in
Yeah, she totally rejected hololive, for realizes.

>>23016545
>already outdated
>will most likely be outdated again when next gen drops
This is too funny. And they have the nerve to talk about HoloEN getting 1 artist in.

>>23016849
Enna and Millie auditioned together on one application as a package deal and one leaving means both do per their contract

>>23016042
I think Vox is significantly more charismatic and social than Finana, to an almost rapey degree

I expect more of these small corp to fall apart in the coming months.

>>23016878
Elira is pro-NijiEN unity though and is holding the boat together. Unless you're a holobrony tourist who only cares about Pomu because of orange chicken kek

>>23016184
So what are her talents

>>23016699
That’s what I’m saying you can’t base a whole companies popular on a few who got popular. Saying Mio and Hanabi or Nen have the same pull isn’t even remotely true.

>>23017032
>the shit I've heard is that they have to reach subscriber milestones in order to turn on supas
ok what the fuck are you talking about? The milestone for membership exist but there's no way in hell they're that retarded

>>23016928
more like incompetent corpo

>>23015745
Become chuuba... save chuuba

>>23017168
they don't let you turn on memberships until you reach some arbitrary number, even if you have the qualifications for it

>>23012394
My condolences tsunbros.

>>23017009
>>23017047
I see. That seems odd that a corpo would agree to that, since one of them could theoretically bomb/slack off and be invulnerable for it if the other is too valuable. But I don’t know anything about them so I can’t really judge.

>>23017032
It's for memberships

>>23017168
lmao no one hates prism management more than /ppg/

>>23012800
>Rosemi is lucky
no, she just decided to fucking audition
I doubt Miori is a Niji reject when Petra and Finana exists

>>23017087
He has the superpower version of autism where you say everything with utmost confidence and don’t give a shit about social norms. That’s the difference between them

>>23017236
I know that but he's saying there's a gate for monetization in general. Not membership

>>23014823
here, still 4views

>>23017032
Milestone only for memberships. Their management is retarded for sure, but shit I guess the fact that they managed to make it this long with no real drama and no menhera breakdowns means they must be doing something right. That's the cope I tell myself.

>>23016612
People who are already getting 5000+ ccv are probably not the ones applying to Hololive in the first place (who even gets those views as a non-Hololive vtuber? Aside from NijiEN males, it's mostly just the tippy top of the Twitch indies and Vshojo) because by that point you're probably making just as much money (without Cover taking a big cut away again)

>>23016675
she’s an incredibly boring streamer unless you’re a teenager or lonely adult, part of you is a saviorfag.

If the fishman absorbs Lisa and Amiya I will kneel more than I already do. Miori should stay independent or join Hololive. I don't know anything about the rest.

>>23017238
Niji has plenty of those in KR. ID, and JP, so it's not a big risk
Also Enna wasn't completely unknown, just Millie was way more established

>>23017168
I dunno that's just what I've heard. I have no clue what's true or not, I just saw it posted here forever ago in the /ppg/. Could just be a rrat, no clue. I just took it at face value cuz everything you find out about Prism tells you that their management fucking sucks and does almost everything in their power to fuck over their talents

>>23012394
Anyway this is why we only watch hololive

>>23017087
different from finana he has a wide range of random trivia he can talk about when doing his zatsu or in collabs, not that he needs to

>>23017168
It's well known that Prism had a 30k subscriber minimum before turning on memberships. Which they reduced to 15k due to backlash from the fans. Aoi just recently got her memberships after 1 year of streaming and Meno still doesnt reach the minimum to reach the membership yet.

So the company would rather not earn money from memberships and to withhold money from the girls than to let them have their memberships open.

>>23017331
You ok Finana? Are you ok?

>Mass Gradiations
>its almost the 25th of the month
the 25th of the month curse trikes again!

>>23017387
so that when a talent graduates she's gone forever?

>>23017399
>>23017320

>>23016779
Are you retarded?
That's clearly a joke tweet that also shows off the new merch, Lia is in the comments.

I want her to be okay.
I want things to work out for her.
She's been through so much already.
Please, just let her be happy. Please.

>>23017039
She loves hololive but being cunny is part of her identity, if en3 had a cunny model she would've accepted.

>>23017474
PETITION TO REMOVE 25TH DAY OF EVERY MONTH

>>23016071
Kronii was a chuuba too, but you're right and I was wrong about Mumei.

>>23016570
If that's true then Kallin has a good chance of getting in

>>23016346
She has to be kind of fucked up from this. Meru was giving her all kinds of encouragement the other day now she’s graduating.

>>23017399
That’s because cap is a libertarian shithead that unironically believes not getting paid well will motivate them to work harder and farm subs. He spends the company funds on nfts

>>23017347
carrot over head gaslighting and sunken cost fallacy probably

"you're so close, all it takes for success is twice the work that you've already put in, but why quit when you've already been here for x months/years"

>>23017587
Still mad about the lack of cunny in en2.

>>23017032
>>23017168
You guys are so fucking retarded it’s hilarious seeing people think they know what they’re talking about and failing at it.

>>23016570
>ina
>fluent japanese
...

>>23017349
She has her moments when she's not doing gacha actually. Her playthrough of NSO was one of the funniest I've ever watched and her GTA playthrough forever ago was also pretty good. Her Yuppie Psycho streams are also up there.
She's a wannabe tryhard at a lot of games which can make for some entertaining collabs when she tryhards without the others doing so, it's almost like a straightman dynamic at times.
Her problem is that her game choice is boring as fuck. Genshin/honkai is essentially a visual novel that you grind to get to the next part of. They're boring as fuck to watch and there's hardly ever anything that catches you off guard so you're stuck there clicking the "next" button and adding commentary to it. It's almost as bad as a "react" stream on twitch

>>23014249
Depends on whether or not they already applied. Some of them could have already decided to jump from the sinking ship before this happened.
>>23014957
Could be talking about one of the other “s” girls (HER and HER 2.0). In both cases, they were originally non-vtubers who rebranded themselves as indies before getting picked up.

>>23016570
If that's true then I need to rerecord my audition tape.

>>23017713
> carrot over head gaslighting
I love Prism not falling apart like these other small corpos makes people seethe this much. You really can’t fathom why it’s still standing and racking your brain as to why lmao.

>>23017238
For nijisanji wasn't that much of a risk at the time
Enna already had a good sized channel as a Utaite
and was guest in Millie PL streams to talk
So they have evidence she can hold a conversation to an audience on top of being a good singer

>>23016073
>none of them do forced coomer baiting for views
yea ok anon, whatever you say

>>23017841
The only thing Ina is fluent in, is bullshit

>>23017350
I expect Lisa is being absorbed for sure given she is friends with Lumi, Shirara, and Pippa.

>>23017532
Oh, it's the Korone clone, I remember watching her debut stream in 2020, when EN vtubers were still a novelty, because no big corpo had any EN branches, soon after Myth debuted though. I didn't know she moved to Tsunderia.

>>23018022
Nobody's really "seething"
Everyone knows prism in general is just a shady as fuck company with terrible management. Prism survives solely because they have a few talents who manage to get into the 3 view range. Same goes for PC and same was true for Tsunderia as well.

>>23018186
>shows the only one in the company who is actively a gamer a mainly plays games
Yes let’s compare her to Nene mc big tits and her fanbox

>>23014542
Nipple cope.

>>23018309
>t. still upset over jokes

>>23018186
Should've posted Naki using cropped porn for thumbnails
Or non anon playing porn games on stream

>>23015811
Non streams so much. She tries so hard it's unironically made her one of my favorites in prism. She's a good streamer, and deserves better.

>>23018186
cool streamer just came off of her 14 hour ark stream

>>23015756
>check twitch vtuber tag
>couple korean vtubers with 5k+ ccv
Koreans don't have vtubers, just blue archive fans that care about the game not a random ass chuuba project

Please don't forget small corpo unity...

>>23018022
The Yakuza couldn't have done anything sketchy, they've been around for years!

>>23018403
Close, but more akin to
>"Who Sana? She's a good RL Friend of mine! She'll be fantastic in EN wave 2! Just you wait and see!"

>>23018323
Her debut was under tsunderia.
And she's nothing like Korone.

>>23018337
>everyones prism is shady as fuck
>talents have never said anything bad about the company not even the talent that left it
I just love how the “everyone knows” part comes from retards listening to made up rrats and believing it.
Prism survives off hiring actual good people who don’t all of sudden back stab and gossip like this is a Highschool. Unfortunately still doing better than the companies that were apparently “doing really well and better” cope seethe dilate.

>>23018574
And she was good until she stopped streaming .Fortunately she is picking up again and doing 10 hour streams

>>23018574
Did she actually say that? If so, I agree with you on her fluent in bullshit.

>>23018437
>literally said except non in the post
>somehow can’t read

>>23016749
What ever happened to Stratogeist?

>>23017846
>Game choice is boring as fuck
Very true, problem is she tryhards at the kusoge and gacha games, which don’t require skill. She fails at abyss mode in Genshin, even with all the money she dumps into the game. I really wanted an English aqua and got a twitter brat instead…

>>23018711
>Did she actually say that?
No, you fucking mong.

>>23018573
Yakuza is a pretty fun game it has been around for years don’t know what that has to do with this situation tho.

>>23018662
lol the girls have shit talked alot, mostly in the cover after parties which are unarchived, and yuras twitter space. /ppg/ reps my dude

>>23013709
For Miori or Yuuna, a graduation would be confusing to their viewers. They'd rather just continue on as normal.

Kallin has already stopped streaming so she doesn't care. Meru is probably out after her stream. Will milk it for money and then disappear.

>>23018631
I thought she was indie, oh well.

>>23018574
>>23018663
It's the fucking dog, I swear. Her motivation for streaming was shattered by the fucking dog.
>but her back pain tho
She's making shit up not to stream.

>>23012394
Damn I just found out about miori and I rally like her design

>>23019050
The yoshihiro togashi of hololive.

>>23018916
>girls “shit talk” company it lives on
>girls talk about how much they love their company it dies and fails
Prism is obviously doing something right then.

>>23019050
Her motivation never existed in the first place. This was always a little side hobby to her.

>>23015097
Hey, Shiki is good

Guys lets start a machinima vtuber group, the networking will help us find so much exposure kekw

>>23018916
more recently yura said she is happy that managment gave her the freedom to do what she wants, which she clearly has been abusing including sleeping through meetings and streaming with boys