/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>22853546
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

put all numbers inside your ass

>>22851311
Thread has been garbage ever since Luxiem debuted. The amount of discussion NijiEN gets here is insane considering their midget numbers. I don't recall the thread ever being as bad when the NijiJP males are discussed.
>>22851190
Kill yourself ESL ENtrash.

*Yesterday's tally*

Here it goes
>47,244: Miko (Hololive)
>37,789: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>28,401: Subaru (Hololive)
>25,724: Pekora (Hololive)
>24,357: Toya (Nijisanji)
>18,436: Shu (Nijisanji)
>14,952: Botan (Hololive)
>14,772: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>13,328: Gura (Hololive)
>13,021: Reid (Neo Porte)
>12,333: Mito (Hololive)
>12,279: Kiara (Hololive)
>12,052: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,493: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,077: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,019: Vox (Nijisanji)
>10,712: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>10,566: Tamaki (NoriPro)

When Holostars EN debut, please separate female and male EN tally

>>22853849

>APRIL 2022 GOLD
1) Okayu (Hololive) - 30,905 - Okakoro Third anniversary
2) Aqua (Hololive) - 86,420 - APEX Custom
3) Hal (Neo Porte) - 95,353 - VSaikyo landing spot lottery
4) Calli (Hololive) - 79,452 - 3D Birthday Concert
5) Aqua (Hololive) - 42,453 - Eating Sushi
6) Okayu (Hololive) - 53,422 - Totsu
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 34,076 - Horror game
8) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,820 - APEX custom
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 45,568 - Elden Ring
10) Pekora (Hololive) - 37,343 - Elden Ring
11) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,239 - APEX custom
12) Hal (Neo Porte) - 36,-464 - APEX scrims
13) Korone (Hololive) - 39,582 - 3rd Anniversary Totsu
14) Aqua (Hololive) - 74,324 - APEX scrims
15) Hal (Neo Porte) - 37,680 - APEX scrims
16) Aqua (Hololive) - 70,461 - APEX scrims
17) Hal (Neo Porte) - 165,033 - VSaikyo tournament
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 37,729 - Minecraft
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 21,697 - Horror game
20) Miko (Hololive) - 47,412 - Shiraken Human fall flat

> PER COMPANY
16x: Hololive
4x: Neo Porte

> PER STREAMER
6x: Aqua
4x: Pekora
4x: Hal
2x: Okayu
1x: Calli, Subaru, Korone, Miko

>>22853912
Thanks for posting the real tally anon.

MAKE ANOTHER THREAD, NOT THIS FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
>MAKE ANOTHER THREAD, NOT THIS FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
MAKE ANOTHER THREAD, NOT THIS FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
>MAKE ANOTHER THREAD, NOT THIS FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
MAKE ANOTHER THREAD, NOT THIS FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
>MAKE ANOTHER THREAD, NOT THIS FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

So now there's this Kuzuhaschizo who keeps spamming his bullshit and impersonate the tally anon, chink fujos who came to shill their NijiENs, and actual fag who botted Millie's stream for some 'experiment'. Really makes that seething 2view rimjob anon looks cute in comparison. Guess it's high time to take a pretty long break from this thread.

So, when will Anycolor sent their Niji cops at us?

>>22853849
>18,436: Shu (Nijisanji)
Fuck the Chink bots

>>22854018
Why don't you do it yourself?

>>22854018
kill yourself

https://college.goodfind.jp/articles/cover-tanigo-metaverse/
So this is Yagoo's next plan

>>22854240
ooh, new yagoo pics to use

>bait op again with uncapitalized thread name
>less than one post per minute

/#/ really is declining

>>22854240
>さまざまな領域のメタバースが作られ、それぞれの仮想世界で趣味や目的の合う人が集まるという形でユーザーが増えていくと思います。10年後には、多くの人がバーチャル上でアバターを持ち、共通の趣味をもとにつながれると見込んでいます。
Yagoo will make everyone into a Vtuber.

>>22854381
Well, most /#/ posters are banned before

>>22854497
Quality has never been better.

Actual thread
>>22854536
>>22854536
>>22854536

aaahhhhhh
peace

>>22854240
Here's a topic,

If Yagoo successfully creates an online metaverse platform that could hold thousands of people and perform 3D concerts live in it, would it be possible for other vtuber companies to use it or will it only be exclusively used by their talents?

One option provides unity for the industry, the other, a monopoly.

>>22854585
Anon you're late

>>22854655
Well, it's not like other companies can't do that too

>>22854673
best not to have a bait OP during SEA waking hours

>>22854655
Maybe Cover would let them use it, for a small fee, or other companies can make their own Metaverse.

>same duration
>x2 vod views
>x2 likes

ppt gold? ppt gold
or are we finally disregard any gold at this point? no more horse race

>>22854709
>>22854824
I mean, they can. But, Cover already has a year head-start on this. The others including anycolor needs to start hiring devs, development etc. All of which needs time and money. Cover had already provided this and is already in the testing stage. By the time the others had already created one of their own, Cover already grasps the vtuber metaverse mindshare like they did with HoloEN. The only disappointing project that I could think of from anycolor to respond to this is probably a bad niji mobage developed by konami.

>>22854903
Not suspious at all

>>22854018
>It's fucking infuriating when someone create a bait thread but I'm too lazy to make another one anyways so I'll just REEEEEEEEEE

Entitled much

>>22854655
I don't think they'll even lend the tech to other companies unless the tech wants to be stolen by some chink companies

In other news...

>>22854962
>bad niji mobage developed by konami
Oh God, that's grim. Is Konami is the only game company that is supporting Nijisanji?

niji interview
https://www.moguravr.com/nijisanji-interview-3/

>>22855127
Didn't include EN, just JP, ID, KR, and World

>>22855147
>Liver camera ライバーカメラ
Is this a live view of one specific liver? Am I reading this correctly?

>>22855192
>CN

>>22855321
Didn't include the CN branch either, correct.

>>22855147
>In the first place, this "FANTASIA" was decided to be held because "I want you to see the rivers standing in common stage costumes". Nijisanji has a lot of talents, so the cost of creating a common costume for each person is high, so at first I was wondering if I should really do it.
>FANTASIA project had begun at the end of 2020 (kek by coof)
>The infection (of the performers) was first discovered on Wednesday, and the box office had already begun. The staff and people involved are already in motion, the equipment has already been brought to the venue, and all construction has been completed. So I can't cancel everything ... Psychologically, the financial damage was also huge
>Originally, I was able to apply for a lottery from the benefits of the cover album " Reflexion ", but due to the recent situation, some people were resold (* official ticket resale service) after winning, so including those people
Holy fuck they even did a lottery for fantasy from their reflexion album
>In fact, holding a real event is not a straightforward reason, such as "because you can make money." In the first place, it is very difficult to make a profit by the event alone, and I think that the idea of somehow (collecting) the sale of goods is the basis in the entertainment industry today.
Oof, but bruh, you could earn more than a year's salary if the concerts had succeeded, why would you even say it was difficult

https://twitter.com/inugamikorone/status/1517004038444789760
Gold contender?

>>22855147
--What are your goals for 2022?

Suzuki:
I believe that we must strengthen our contents production capabilities. Starting this fiscal year, we are hiring more music production directors to build a system that will enable us to produce better music.

We are also hiring mainly directors for program production in order to promote in-house production. It is easier to thoroughly follow the rules and methods of program production and to focus on quality if we are able to produce programs in-house.

>>22855430
Turns out that AR investment was a sham after all, and units with idol elements is the way to go. Nice going, you've successfully copied Hololive's working model because of your incompetence, Riku. What next? Metaverse?

>>22855430
That's basically what Cover has been doing, so good for them.

>>22854964
>40k people tune into his karaoke stream
>3k people tune into his gameplay stream
Ok, I'm calling bullshit

>>22854320
Same energy.

>>22855410
>the financial damage was also huge
yikes

>>22854655
As I understood from the article, Yagoo would let others use it. He’s interested in becoming a platform and understands that the only thing better than being chuuba disney is being chuuba disney AND chuuba Youtube

>>22855730
Yeah, it's SUS as hell. Gura does have a drastic difference even when playing the most dogshit stuffs

>>22855730
I'm still iffy on the bots thing. I mean, this is kind of the Nijisanji trademark. I mean look at Fuwa. That motherfucker can get 145k on his 3D debut and then barely hit 5k for his gameplay stream.

>>22855813
Yeah, but does he have this weird ass graph?

>>22855730
Fromsoft games are numbers poison for Luxiem's audience due to their high %female, if anything it'd be MORE concerning if he got more than what he's currently getting.

>>22854709
That's like saying just build your own YouTube bro, it's not that hard

>>22855813
3d debut is acceptable and believable, it's an event

Moomers is a numberfag
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1517006186519818240?t=0cLufUCtZAAOCWUGxD629A&s=19

>>22855782
It was so bad they had to admit it. It was probably worse than this thread imagined.

>>22855127
>rivers

>>22855932
Based

>>22854655
It has the possibility of making vtubers to become even more mainstream if other vtuber companies can use the metaverse platform
A healthy competitions will make the company grow rather than being stagnant
But then again, the idea of monopoly seems interesting though as long they keep innovating even when they're on top of the market
With Yagoo as the head, they will probably keep innovating to a certain extent
But monopoly will make us the buyers of their services/products don't have the power of bargaining so...

>>22855813
>fuwa
>barely hit 5k
He regularly gets over 5k what the fuck are you smoking

>>22856000
Worse? I saw predictions being in the million+ range here, which is pretty fucking big for a company the size of Anycolor, and that's just the losses specifically, not the missing projected revenue which no doubt also hurt.

I just read through the previous threads, did one of you madlads actually bot Millies stream?

>>22855730
Even Gura can get 10k for a superchat reading stream. These niggas using black magic

>>22856063
Ok fangirl, calm your tits Fujo. Most of those are in the 5,6,7k range anyway so its not like my statement was inaccurate.

>>22855932
1m views is a great achievement so normally everyone would celebrate about it

>>22855914
>Comparing Cover Corp with YouTube

ayo what?

>>22856108
It looked like someone was trying to test a slow trickle, then another person spiked it to end the experiment. The bloody fool, he should've kept quiet and documented what he was doing instead of posting in real time, someone was bound to fuck his shit up for the sake of it.

>>22856275
Sora's case was probably Peko being stubborn since she doesn't like to leave things unfinished.
And cross-branch overlapping has always been allowed, plenty of JPs overlap EN events.

>>22856090
If they wanted to outclass LIGHT UP TONES, that shit by itself would cost a lot. The Vicon cameras they used cost several million yen each.

>>22856215
It's true, "just make your own platform bro" is always a stupid solution, plus at this point cover is the vtuber company with the most free money. Not even nijisanji right now is as liquid so saying that another company can just build their own virtual concert platform is like saying, well, that you should just build your own YouTube

so the Elden Buff is finally dead?

So, summary of the # story last night:
1) Valorant Collab happens
2) # still focused on the nipple/Miko horse race
4) One anon puts a side by side graphs of all the valorant streams
5) Graphs looks sus. All of them dipped in the first 10 minutes then gets back up again. Also, the unusually high waiting room recovery.
6) Most Anons blame it on viewfarms/VPNs.
7) One anon says botting might exists and it looks relatively cheap to do.
8) Most # Anons ignore or make fun of the theory saying that there's no way YT would let that slide.
9) One crazy anon tried this theory which led to the Millie fiasco
10) At first, it was an okay looking graph with a small inclination, then it looks jagged Meaning that there's some truth that bots could stay a lot longer in the stream. This was the $11 bot deal.
11) Then comes some retard who purchased a deal which causes Millie to rise to 13k which led to most of the regular # Anons to mindbreak that it's possible to bot streams now for a cheap price.
12) Then, thread devolves, nijifags rioting and agitating, numberfags mindbroken, Jannie's banning everyone. Sprinkle in some fujos to try dismiss all the claims when all the experiments had been confirmed true.

What a wild day. You know that slow and steady meme, where viewers should be organically obtained. How ironic that it's coming from Riku's mouth.

All in all, don't do bots, # Anons. Don't get yourself down to their levels or if you still want to experiment, prepare a controlled test site and report your findings, don't bot Millie.

>>22856000
I don't know the specifics but think of all the sunk costs/deposits. Venue rental, concessions, equipment rental, pre production staff pay, choreographers, lighting specialists, 3d modellers, riggers, design and production of promo materials, merch runs, and most importantly all the time your talent and staff spent preparing is just gone. Think of how your midlevel vtuber can make hundreds of dollar an hour just faffing around playing minecraft. You are using a lot of their time preparing for the event. And then it all goes to waste. And you get exactly 0 revenue to off set costs. Sure insurance exists but that's a huge hit

why dont you fags look at charts of CCV generated by actual botted streams like those scam ones to see what bot stream CCV graphs actually look like ?

Is the end game for Cover to be the Vtuber company? If they own the Vmetaverse and can make their 3.0 word and be cheap, every new vtuber will happily get Cover tech

>>22856446
Holy shit! I can't believe I missed all that. Must've been a wild ride.

>>22856528
Cover already is the vtuber company, what they are trying to be right now is to be a multimedia empire like lovelive

>>22856517
You're saying as if all those bottled scam streams have a site that updates their graphs every minute. They all don't have vrabi, and playboard updates every hour.

>>22856146
>most
It's a 50:50 split. Half below 8k, half above 8k. That's a huge different from "barely 5k"

>>22856488
Don't forget all the ads. They had 3d video and that can cost quite a bit

Wait wtf, can someone explain why Towa gained 10k subs over the last day?

>>22856681
anon, once you get past a million subs youtube only updates in intervals of 10k

>>22855415
>Iroha collab
No that's a debuff

>>22856562
I don't mean in an entertainment company way. If any Indy wants to host a little meet-and-great they can pay cover to use their metaverse.

>>22856681
Once you're over a million it only updates in groups of 10k

>>22854655
All the money is in software licencing. If Cover somehow made their own VRchat that runs smoothly even with thousands of players and could support non-prerecorded stage performances and shit it would print money.

>>22856562
>二次元コンテンツ企業から、メタバースを中心とした二次元コンテンツプラットフォーム企業へ進化し
Looks like he wants Cover to create a 2D content platform

Guys, your 2viewschizo is shitting up the mikeneko threads, please take her back

>>22856702
>>22856721
oh, wait so the other 1ms aren't getting any subs though?

>>22856528
Well they started as a tech company, then used the Vtubers to promote their tech. It didn't go well, so they started investing more in the Vtubers side instead. It went amazingly well, and now that they have the extra cash they're trying to develop their own tech again, just this time the tech is secondary while Vtuber is primary.

dowgies...

>>22856766
They are mostly getting some, but it only updates every 10k

>>22856718
I mean, it's possible, but companies like anykara already have 3d studios available for rent and they aren't exactly known as the "vtuber company", now are they?

>>22856760
just spam her with success breeds jealousy

>>22856766
what the other guy said

>>22856760
Whose anus is she licking this time? Mafumafu?

>>22856570
write your own bot, it's like three minutes, nothing special

>>22856556
Well, a 700+ thread at what's usually dead hours for /#/, yea it was a mess.

>>22856760
>/#/ caring about the schizo shitting up mikeneko threads
Bro, you might as well ask /#/ to care if the schizo was shitting up the NijiEN threads.

>>22856446
Dafuk I missed the botting one
Using any of the vtubers as the test subjects are really disgusting tho

>>22856446
>If you still want to experiment, prepare a controlled test site and report your findings
Oh the boting arc isn't over yet I see
Look forward for the clusterfuck this will be ride

>>22855303
Yes, they had tech that you can just get tickets so you could just watch your oshi in AR and the camera would always be focused on them, it's pretty impressive.

>>22857206
It's kinda cool, but that makes it look like they only care about their oshi and the other can fuck off.

>>22856446
I will now do my archive reps

>>22856446
unless those fujos stop or Xi culled them all. I'm gonna start botting random 2 view

This retarded rrat is giving more ammo to homobeggars...

https://twitter.com/hololive_music/status/1517020306686287872
The trophy has already been sended

what will the absolute state of this thread be if NijiEN actually reverse sweeps the rest of the month, i remember when it was like 13 holo to 1 niji now its 13-7 in the cripples race and i can see its already wearing at some anons mental states

>>22857657
>bot

>>22857570
Yeah, that's not surprising. She did at least mention that there are no restrictions in collabing, so people now have an official source to point to

>>22857657
I already given up on any chance for this thread to be usable for the foreseeable future anon

>>22856446
>Number autists are just wanting to unleash their Inner researcher selves.
That's different than K-pop fans mental illness.
Since /#/ can only speculate, I understand that some autists are itching and wanting to prove the hypothesis

>>22857657
This experiment was pretty timely imo (although I think Millie or any major corpo girl shouldn't have been the test subject).

Next step is obviously checking for viewfarms since that's what fujos are actually doing (although I don't think any of the faggots here have enough spare income to dump on something like that).

>>22857580
>sended
ESLchama..

>>22857570
Ask Matsuri or Fubuki, your dream is not that hard to accomplish. Choco and roboco might not it as well.

>APRIL 2022 GOLD
1) Okayu (Hololive) - 30,905 - Okakoro Third anniversary
2) Aqua (Hololive) - 86,420 - APEX Custom
3) Hal (Neo Porte) - 95,353 - VSaikyo landing spot lottery
4) Calli (Hololive) - 79,452 - 3D Birthday Concert
5) Aqua (Hololive) - 42,453 - Eating Sushi
6) Okayu (Hololive) - 53,422 - Totsu
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 34,076 - Horror game
8) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,820 - APEX custom
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 45,568 - Elden Ring
10) Pekora (Hololive) - 37,343 - Elden Ring
11) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,239 - APEX custom
12) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 36,512 - APEX scrims
13) Korone (Hololive) - 39,582 - 3rd Anniversary Totsu
14) Aqua (Hololive) - 74,324 - APEX scrims
15) Hal (Neo Porte) - 37,680 - APEX scrims
16) Aqua (Hololive) - 70,461 - APEX scrims
17) Hal (Neo Porte) - 165,033 - VSaikyo tournament
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 37,729 - Minecraft
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 21,697 - Horror game
20) Miko (Hololive) - 47,244 - Shiraken collab

> PER COMPANY
16x: Hololive
3x: Neo Porte
1x: Nijisanji

> PER STREAMER
6x: Aqua
4x: Pekora
3x: Hal
2x: Okayu
1x: Calli, Korone, Kuzuha, Miko, Subaru

Don't mind me, I'm just reposting the real tally anon's gold list like a good numberfag should.

>>22857882
kek
Gartic phone it is

>>22857882
Might as well sent Towa

I want to save Iroha....

>>22858054
I'm still seething a bit at how Migo didn't live up to her Slip Queen title yesterday. She robbed us of like a week of nipples joke.

>>22858185
Miko slipped from our expectations

>>22858054
Kill yourself

>>22858185
Well I for one am glad she didn't slip. An entire week of nipples jokes sound really fucking horrible, and considering the state of this board, that's saying something.

>>22858185
>>22858242
We got something better last night

>>22858054
So, the only 2 100k+ streams this month were on VSaikyo tournament day.

Does anything look like hitting 100k for the rest of the month?

>>22857172
It's stupid, but you can't stop retards from experimenting. It's obvious that NijiEN are using viewfarms instead of bots since it's looks legits on YT eye's and there's nothing # could stop it unless closing down the EN tally forever.

Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that Nijisanji has failed to win a single gold this month

>>22858308
Warabeda graduation, but I don't remember Lulu even reaching it so yeah probably not.

>>22858308
Kanata BD 3D

>>22858185
Hey fuck you man. After the fiasco yesterday, nipple joke almost looks like a godsend. I'll not pretend I care about Millie that much but what happened yesterday was a fucking low point for this thread.

>>22858326
Are there any way to check chat speed?

>>22857570
I still can't believe it that such a sex rat and the top tier model of council was given to a homo lover. My other dissapointment with Bae is that she has such a kino retro intro and outro but doesn't plays retro games. One day EN will get their Korone one day surely...

>>22858308
Michael cat Live2D

>>22858350
Lulu got 180k,don't know bout warabeda though.

>>22857580
cute Sora and Ankimo

>>22858350
She might have a chance, if nobody in niji streams during it.

>>22858385
Lulu got 180k because her graduation was unexpected and full of drama. Warabeda is going to be like Gibara, 30k at best

>>22856760
Roru
Rumao
Just argue with her until she can't argue back

>>22858362
It was the other retard. One anon offered to do a low test around 2-4k for $11 so it's undetectable, then there's the retard who made it to 13k.

>>22853912
Every thread until you kys

https://youtu.be/rmWKzc_Nmvs
Why does this have COVID warning?

>>22858414
jesus did Gibara really only have that many people watching?

>>22858385
Lulu is a high mid tier niji tho

>>22858426
Thanks for the context anon!

>>22858450
lmao, Youtube even spying on people's personal lives

>>22858377
No

>>22858054
>>22842364

4月 日間同接一位 渋ハル強すぎて泣いた

1日 ホロ
2日 ホロ
3日 渋ハル
4日 ホロEN
5日 ホロ
6日 ホロ
7日 ホロ
8日 ホロ
9日 ホロ
10日 ホロ
11日 ホロ
12日 渋ハル
13日 ホロ
14日 ホロ
15日 渋ハル
16日 ホロ
17日 渋ハル
18日 ホロ
19日 ホロ
20日 ホロ

from the niji thread

$11 living rent free in everyone's head lmao

>>22858450
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfeZNKBxt4

A lot of her Shorts had covid mentioned on the title.

>>22858426
every thread until it sinks in

>>22858529
You mean 63.72300 CNY?

>>22857570
The rat needs a mating press correction

>>22858505
???
If you wanna be nips' lil bitch, then go right ahead. Just don't expect anyone to follow in your footsteps.

>>22858581
>CNY

>>22856446
What do you think was Millie's reaction to all that viewers suddenly sprouting?

>>22858597
The quoted list is from a random thread on the random board with 2 replies
you're replying to a mentally ill person anon

>>22858597
speak for yourself, that's the tally we are operating by, and no amount of nijinigger psyops is going to change that

>>22858597
They're the correct one and I'll be Japanese

>>22858597
>nips' lil bitch
Kek. I don't know what that anon is smoking, but just because the nips have their own tally doesn't mean we're suddenly gonna follow them as if we don't already have established rules for our own tally.
Also, imagine being nips' bitch. How fucking low can anyone gets.

>>22856446
kek, he actually did it

> [ ] send $100 aka supa and get a thanks
>[x] buy a 11$ pack viewbot and get tons of attentions, mindbroke /#/ numberfags and infuriate nijifags

so pathetic

>>22858607
*Sigh*
Not now, pedoanon, go back to /uoh/ or something

>>22858762
I mean, nips and mainland chink and something-something Nanking. Makes sense why a Boxfag would have no problem being nips' bitch, they have plenty of experience.

So, what now?

>>22858870
So you're telling me he can do that 8 more fucking times? Who will be next? And how shit will this thread be if that happen?

>>22859055
Watch streams?

>>22859058
>8
Why specifically 8 more times?
I hope holostars is next

>>22859105
100 - 11 = 89
8 x 11 = 88
It's not rocket science, anon.

>>22859105
8X11=88 add the first $11 and you get almost an Aka supa

>>22859044
>Nanking
Okay, I admit I kek'ed, but you're going way too far. Also, the hal gold schizo is actually a one of Wang Xiaohei's fujos/yumejos?

>>22859158
89 + 11 = 100
?
tell me why 8

>>22859243
>>22859171

numbers thread

>>22859230
Well before I suspected they're a Rindou fan who got cucked by KING. But then another anon had a more convincing suspicion of them being a Boxfag who wants to make sure that the only Niji gold for April is Box's upcoming birthday on the 25th.

pretty quiet rn because a lot got banned lol rip regulars

>>22859332
They should be back in 2 days.

>>22859323
Even before that story everyone (or at least the supposed Rindou fans) knew they were "close".

>>22859332
Was a hell of a day though, lmao

>>22859332
>regulars

anon this is the real state of /#/ at this hours and with no shitposts/schizos. It's just returning to it's original state.

>>22856446
I also want to add... Bots ultimately hurt the streamer. Imagine thinking 13k tuned in to enjoy your content only to find they were mostly bots. Imagine the damage once this becomes public "so and so used bots to inflate views", no sponsor will trust them anymore because they know their audience is fake, their public image (even when they're innocent) will be heavily damaged. Hell, even youtube might take action and investigate further which might lead to suspentions or punishments for the talents.

>>22859402
Anon, it should be more active at around this time of the day (for Asia)...

>>22859395
About as entertaining as this thread has ever been. But honestly? As shitty as it was for Millie I was absolutely shocked how effective the bargain basement, third world wage level bot campaign was. I assume someone piled on to spike it to 13K but the initial rise? That wasn't obvious at all. I had a low opinion of Youtube's pajeets but it's pretty obvious now why all of their top streams are super obvious crypto scams. For $100 or so you can get to the top of the rankings. If that's the $11 package, what are the $100-200 offering?

>>22856446
Kiara once said in one of her endurance streams (I think it was the 1M one): "don't make fake accounts to subscribe to me. They don't help me at all".

I swear to god if Box got 100k ccvs on the 25th...

>>22859332
im still here

Now that we know botting results jagged ccv graph, does holoen bot their streams too?

>>22859508
>$100-200 offer
Vox karaoke numbers

>>22859503
Well that should probably tell you who's the shitposters who like to shit up the thread.

>>22859683
Show holoen graphs with the same "wave" and I'll tell you.

>>22859721
Nta but can i see millie graph?

>>22859131
never expected to see a /d2g/ meme here of all places...

>>22859683
Probably not.

>>22859683
I can see that sustained 500views bot orders every minute would probably results in a jagged chart

Just for a change of pace... Isn't that a pretty high number of votes? It's not members or anything but 85,000 people decided to shit on BOTW in a poll found on Ina's community page. That seems weirdly high. That's like 8 times her usual ccv, and almost as many likes as her popular fanart on Twitter!

>>22859721
The only HoloEN's stream who looked the same was that one Ame's watchalong, but we also already knew that one was botted because the fucking perp told us he was gonna do it.

>>22859740
Sure (Warning: NSFW)
https://vrabi.net/video/kvET5ChSBJM

>>22859503
I'd rather have a slow thread instead of a schizo infested active thread. Not like there's anything to talk about right now anyway until JP prime time.

>>22859798
I'll call this one: Botsanji's middle finger

>>22859683
Millie already has jagged ccv graph before someone bots her

>>22859813
How long does a ban usually work?

>>22859798
Looks like her hat

>>22859762
Not to mention the resulting inflated vod views due to the sustained bot views every minute

>>22859778
Zelda bros...not like this

why do you hate males so much when you yourself are a male?

>>22859332
> SEA hours
> thread is dead but /comfy/ (except for Kingschizo)
> mostly normal discussion
Yeah I'm pretty sure all the "regulars" are still here, but a lot of the SEAnigs got banned

Why hasn't this general been banned for botting yet? It's actually harassing the talents.

>>22859882
I don't want to have sex with dudes

>>22859882
>Implying Luxiem are male

>>22859798
This does not look like any other en vtuber ccv graph tho...

>>22859854
NijiEN girls experiencing HoloEN's sawtooth is nothing new.

>>22859854
This looks like a normal graph. The dip is probably due to connection/YT issues. The one's that are obvious and were highly suspicious was the fact that 8 valorant POVs all dipped and inclined at the same time.

>>22859683
>>22859854
Pretty much every graph i have seen have jagged lines. How do you even differentiate the botting and non-botting one?

>>22859508
>but the initial rise? That wasn't obvious at all
No, the initial rise to 1k CCV was just her stream normally gaining viewers. See picrel, the first botting attempt going online was that two spikes reaching 4k, and the second, 'piling on' attempt was the one that had 13k peak.
TL;DR, no it wasn't subtle. Like at all.

>>22859882
They are "female".

>>22856116
>Gura gets 192k for costume reveal
>only gets 10k for regular gaming streams
Bots? Bots.

>>22859936
You just feel it.

>>22859931
I thought everyone talk about small jagged "like shark teeth" chart?

>>22859936
That just means every graph you have seen was being botted to a varying degree.
Only smooth chart chads can only be considered pure

Posting a 1-2k stream with jagged graph won't prove shit. Because the ccvs are so low so when 100 viewers or so tab out it results in an obvious downward spike.

>>22859778
>.09% of participants liked the post
then /#/ retards has been saying that EN tends to leave a like more than JP? lol

>>22859944
Sheesh, that was about as subtle as a punch to the noggin. No fucking wonder it was the cheapest option, anyone choosing this option thinking it'd incline them would just put their channel in jeopardy.

>>22860007
*9%

>>22859876
Depend on the jannies. Some give 1 day the other longer IIRC.

>>22859693
>>22859813
I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that there's lower than normal activity.

>>22859876
Ban duration depends on the type of offense. Some last a day (for basically shit posting), others 3 days (posting dox and shit). The typical range ban is active for like a month at least from what I have observed.

>>22859798
I guess this will eventually kill the horse race. No point on comparing numbers if they can be easily tampered with. The meta would devolve into which group has more disposable income to buy 13k for their oshi.

>>22859936
How normal CCV works is when people comes out of a stream, other people would come to replace it. When 10 people comes in, one goes out, the stream inclines at a good pace. Some event graphs show that it'll incline like a very tall hill with none of the worm like figures going on because real/verified people are watching the stream.

The best example of a botted/viewfarmed stream is probably Uki's karaoke stream where thousands of people are being added every 5-10 minutes, looking like a freaking stair. Another case is when there's a sharp drop in the views, but people aren't lagging in the chat to show it was a connection issue meaning VPN & Viewfarms were at work there. Youtube would block VPNs after a period of time or if the viewfarm provider refreshed the stream.

Wait this thread still exists after showing how big of a sham those numbers are?

>>22860026
Reminds me of that one Ike chart. Someone must ve been experimenting on botting services then as well. Most likely in a private group/forum somewhere, unlike the retards that does it in daylight public here

>>22860045
>>22860048
Thanks anons.
No wonder some familiar shitpost is farting out from this thread again.

>>22860102
this thread makes the entirety of this board seethe lmao, obviously it will keep existing for a long time

NOOMBA

>>22860102
it's only a sham when chinks are involved, just like real life

y'all are gay lol

>>22859981
shark teeth or fins depends on the context. Mk8 and Apex also has shark fin graphs because people tabbing out after a match doesn't count as a view.

>>22859944
I just realized that a huge jump on the graph can hide small jumps

What's the legality of botting though? I don't think youtube will go after the streamer, and at the same time there's no one for YT to punish. So even if it weren't, there's nothing to be done?

>>22860161
Those are fins, not teeth.

>>22860102
BELIEVE IN THE NUMBERS THAT BELIEVES IN YOU, ANON!

>>22860102
>MOST INFLUENTIAL THREAD ON THE MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD

>>22860102
It will outlive this board anon. When the industry is dead there will still be a /#/ out there somewhere in the ether.

>Want my girl Petra to get more popular for more akas and ad opportunities
>Know that with that popularity, the first loss will be in the homey and relaxed environment from the sub 1k viewers
Is this the ultimate pill anons? The number pill? To damn comfy for the sake of money?

Joined membership for Millie today, thanks for introducing her to me guys

>>22860185
You can get community strikes from being botted.

>>22860185
I mean it depends, like those crypto streams were obviously botted by the channel itself

Oh well not much to talk about but seems like Noah's numbers are already back to her normal one being ~3k for zatsu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYxRZWyhw60

>>22860238
It is, it's ol' garage band syndrome all over again. It's nothing new, and it'll keep popping up on one way or another in entertainment.

>>22860185
Unless they can prove it's done by the channel or by proxy the channel, they wont. Hence why all the crypto scams are still up.
And yes, they just need to fix their bot detection, or even better, ban any vpn adress that can be used to bypass the firewall in china.

>mumei couldn't even break 5k on her collab yesterday
Do people only watch her for her gimmick streams? Is this the new late 2021 haachama of EN

>>22860245
She’s a sweety, I doubt anyone would consider that a bad thing

>>22860314
Collabs are an easy way to tell who has the permanent fanbase and who shares with them. I don't know if it has anything to do with this, but I was having issues with the stream and switched to Gura from Mumei.

>>22860170
>>22859944
The first bot attempt wasn't the two spikes. It's the retard who decides to double down and get it to 13k.

>pic rel
This was the part after the first guy decided to purchase the $11 deal. You can already see similar inclines from other males.

https://youtu.be/KOMNULnMN2k

which one of you guys is this

>>22860133
>>22860142
>>22860192
>>22860200
>>22860204
Nothing against you anons but I did go to sleep after the whole debacle last night and was surprised to see that it still exists

>>22860314
Or she is the EN version of Miko, everyone's favorite number 2.

>>22860170
Anon, that so called jump from 700 to 1k didn't come from botting, that was just NA primetime starting and her NA viewers who tuned into the stream finally got verified by the retarded AI.
Botting, even when staggered, results in a really obvious, instant spike and immediate freefall afterward, while viewfarms have a smoother graph but still end up looking like a roller coaster.

>>22860382
honestly after this whole botting thing I'm not sure what it would take for the mods to just purge this thread

It's been a hot minute since i've heard anything from Omega. HoloJP was talking to NijiEN and now Niji/HoloID might try something together soon on a larger scale than Risu/Mika

What happened? What does this bode for numberfags?

JWU and I saw Millie got 13k a few hours ago? What happened? Did she invited a male to the stream? Did she do a karaoke?

>>22860536
based on my calculations my conclusion is a natural incline

>>22860536
apply yourself

>>22860520
This is the containment thread and the most influential thread of the board. This thread is a solid 3rd place after hlgg and niji global

>>22860536
She has a very interesting $11 SC.

>>22860384
But people will still watch miko, even if gura didn't stream her POV I highly doubt mumei would've gotten better numbers than fauna, this is genuinely the the kind of thing that happened to haachama after she finished her schizo arc and started dling more regular streams, people came in expecting schizo and when they found out if wasn't on the menu, they fizzled away

>>22859944
>>22860170
Yeah, I was going to say, keep in mind those fuckhuge jumps will mess up the scale of the graph. Now, this isn't conclusive evidence of anything because there's obviously more than just 1 factor influencing this dataset, the 13k jump definitively proves somebody other than the initial anon payed for bots. There can be explanations for this behavior other than the bots coming online as well, but I do see this behavior as unusual. Every other Triangle Strategy stream she did hovered at the 500-600 viewer mark, going to 1k was not normal, though it's not definitive proof of anything since the well was poisoned.
>>22860460
Anon, only the first Triangle Strategy stream got to 1k, her 3rd stream, made at a similar time to the first stream only got 536 viewers while her 2nd stream, done at around the same time as this one got to 639. Like I've said above it's not conclusive proof of botting because of the poisoned well and lack of control over the experiment, but neither is this behavior normal.

>>22860382
PSSSST, here is a little secret
>4chan is not Reddit and a thread is not a subreddit that can be “deleted”
There is nothing in particular being discussed in this thread titled “numbers thread” (>>22853546) that couldn’t be discussed in a random untitled thread with a random chuuba picture.
Whatever happens in this thread and the one before this that had the same title, and the one next to this one that will have the same title is the willingness of anons and the fact they keep the context of what happens in this thread in their minds.

That’s the beauty of this place: other than permabanning ***the anons*** they can’t do much to ban the topics discussed here

>>22860460
I probably said the wrong words. But, what I mean is that the graph is less detail when the stream has bigger ccv or longer stream time

>>22860595
You fucking retard I never said the thread should be purged or deleted, just saying I thought it would become permadead, I Mena numberfags have always loved their numbers and always been proud of how "accurate" they were because made up numbers were their bane, but now that those numbers they were so sure of became made up as well, I just thought most of you losers would've just moved on by now

>>22860575
Niji global?

>>22860587
Her other streams don't have bad numbers recently. I think her number is bad when she collabs with Gura and Gura has her own PoV

>>22859944
So nijiEN boys weren't getting botted but the dumps were caused by VPNs, or the chink bots are way more sofisticated?

I am not even kidding, I want you guys to stop counting Nijisanji's numbers. You guys are now actively trying to hurt streamers, this is no longer analysis nor is it funny.
If you don't like Nijis winning then stop counting them no point in looking at their numbers if you don't believe in them or going on a witch hunt with no basis, all you guys are doing is hurting the innocent and that is not ok.
I know everyone hated anons here but I never thought it was that bad until now....

>>22860735
If you say it is Chinese women then you have to admit they are using a VPN to access YouTube. So that aligns.

>>22860714
how new?

how much would /#/ flip if mori and vox did a collab

>>22860738
>this is no longer analysis nor is it funny
it's definitely funny

To the anon who posted yesterday about holoEN numbers from that excel sheet thing, can you post the whole thing for the first 20 days of April again? Why were the numbers different from the sheet holo_data posted?

>>22860738
No, it's an all out war. There is a good reason to why I label this as a Holo supremacist thread. They don't like vtubing, they only want Hololive supremecy. They will try what ever they can to try to get people or corpos to try to cancel non-Holos and do what ever mental gymnastics to be in the right.

>>22860735
The truth is probably all 3 things. Bots, viewfarms and VPNs dropping.

>>22860738
kek can't wait for another discord leak to see them seethe in real time

>>22860735
This>>22860759
With just one retard spending $11 to cause a fiasco.
We can only imagine a more expensive payment for a more sophisticated view farm/bots can do.
And we also have to deal with that stupid AI acting like a failed chemotherapy.

why can't you just accept that you are wrong and your perceived understanding of events does not line up with the actual reality of the world?

>>22860738
>nor is it funny.
It’s a little funny

>>22860714
Anon, people can read charts. Most of the numbers most of the time make sense.
Many here don’t do it for the accuracy but for the horse race tho.

Imagine if millie got EN gold from an anon's bot attempt lmao

>>22860735
they are chinks, you can't possibly convince me they aren't using every possible way to increase their viewers, if there's one thing you can trust a chinese person with is cheating

>>22860714
>those numbers they were so sure of became made up
Only the Niji side. The silver lining to this is, we now have a cheap and effective weapon to punish bot and viewfarm users, knowing that excessive botting damages the recipient's channel. By removing the offenders from the equation we simultaneously purify the thread.

>>22860735
Viewfarms exists Anons. They're more legit than actual boys because YT doesn't have a way to recognise viewers who has no activity over the period of a stream. Chinese viewfarms does not need to open an account, they all need to direct hundreds of phones to the stream link and they'll all count as 1 view with or without a YouTube account. That's why the engagement in Shu's stre last night was so low after 4 minutes. 6k over 4 minutes with 14k ccv LUL

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCQjnUSS5tQ
>Stream over Kanata's return
Pego...

>>22859908
>Seanig banned
Anon I'm here with my ban-proof smart fridge.

>>22860834
yes anon, like the chinese I would love to put you in camp for some reeducation.

>>22860738
It's all-out war but Niji can't take the heat.

>>22860916
Based, FUCK that leeching whore

>>22860738
Is this a nijiliver? Millie? Reimu? If it's you Reimu, I had dream of you before and I kinda like you.

>>22860738
Wasn't Pomu the one who said it was all out war? Sounds to me like NijiEN started this.

>>22860916
guild war takes priority man...

>>22860916
yea, it's sadly some specific timed event in gbf.

>>22860960
Thanks, watch my streams sometimes.

>>22860738
Sorry but that's simply not viable, unless the homos give us tangible proof that they aren't botted, >we won't stop.
I want a picture from a camera that shows CCV, not a screen shot, not coz saying it... Unless there's proof then they're botted by default

>>22860916
Who the fuck actually care? Anyone who want to watch Kanata would watch her anyway

>>22860591
Well this time around she got a small funnel from Enna ending her stream. The 10 mins delay before the stream started the incline to 1k was just the verification process, and she WOULD have reclined back to 600-700 range since the other girls started, but it was cut off by the huge jump to 4k by the botting attempt going online, as evidenced by her numbers going back to 600 once the 13k spike was done.

>>22860587
her stream died at the start, fucked the ccv, but she still get higher vod number than fauna at the end of the stream

Is this how the nazi felt? You do one little human medical experiment for good and everybody hates you for it?

Are we the baddies?

So after 5 hours Gura's 12K average stream is only at 200K views, seems wierdly slow.

>>22861041
Shorter stream

>>22861036
No, we are explorers.

>>22861036
honestly if it's this easy to bot someone I'll be doing some further unannounced tests, I'll post my results next week.

>>22861060
It's still over 2 and half hours, I'd expect it for like 1 and a half hours or something.

>spending money to give viewers to people you don't like

you know, for the last few months i've been posting long paragraphs in this thread about how i just want to leave and stop caring about numbers and just watch streams every once in a while, but today is like the first time I actually I'm more on the over 50% of actually wanting to leave and it feels gross, please keep doing this, you're gonna free me from this curse

>>22861154
You don't know if he hated her or not, you are just making assumptions.

>>22861072
Just do one on test account and buy the cheapest deal to see how long the bots stay and their retention.

>>22860735
Viewfarms != Viewbots
the difference in manual clicking is masaive

>>22861168
>>22861072

>>22861041
Probably because speed VOD views verification process doesn't stay the same across streams, and it doesn't even matter how long/short the VODs are. It's one of the mystery of YT's pajeet coding.

>>22861177
You can see all your phones if it's connected to one PC and it's easy to direct those phones to a link by a click of a button.

>>22860738
>>22860834
>>22861157
This looks so fucking pathetic.

>>22861196
Where did he say he hated anyone? Also this sounds like a different dude and not the original guy

>>22861072
My inner researcher gets an itch on this topic so I'd like to add some thinking point to consider (if you haven't already)
>need a stream with predictable range (series/non-novel factor)
>a bot or farm that allows interval adding or controlled number to (1-2SD) range to avoid sudden overshoot

>>22861036
This thread has always been the boogeyman of the board
It's good because it filters the weak minded, so the regulars here are always fun people to hang out with

While I do love proof that nijibots/viewfarms are actually real, using Millie as an example is very shitty.

>>22861010
You guys are gonna leave enough evidence to wipe this entire board off 4chan.
Do you honestly believe Cover or Anycolor is going to stand by and take it if it happens frequently enough?
At this point you guys are making incredibly easy to point out who are doing it.....

>>22861203
I mean I'd at least expect some kind of consistency between the most recent streams of comparable stats but I guess that's just not realistic. Gotta love that pajeet black box shit...

So what is the current VOD numbers of Luca 40k karaoke ? Did it pass 500k views ?

might be better to bot someone from /asp/ to test things out, but most of those folks might not be willing to serve as guinea pigs...

>>22861254
Good, maybe people will start watching streams.

Maybe some of the EN dudes don't want these viewfarms happening but what can the EN males do though? Absolutely no way they can say fuck off or "don't artificially pump our ccv". Fujos are mental about numbers like kpopfags

>>22861177
Do viewfarms exist? I know clickfarms exist but not viewfarms

>>22861269
nah, there's no point in botting someone with 5 viewers, prime targets are poeple with consistent ccv of at least high 3 digits

>>22861269
Indy and small corpos don't have the protection that niji has. It would be better to test on a news live stream or one of those 24/7 streams.

>>22861254
And anyone should care because? We'll just go back to jp.
Its better if this board is wiped away anyway so it's a win win, either seethe continues to build up to amuse me or the board will get wiped clean... I see no demerit in either of those outcomes

>>22861269
No, just make a burner account and use that. At least that way you also have access to the YT studio so you can get even more accurate data out of it.
Seriously, you NEED access to YT Studio's analytic if you want accurate numbers.

>>22861254
The board won't be affected, Hiro will simply sell out the IPs of those responsible as soon as anyone tries to bring an actual lawsuit and that'll be the end of it. Maybe we'll get a few more board-specific or even global rules but that's probably about it.

>>22861288

>>22860896
This is the sort of logic that leads to MAD>nuclear wars you insane madman

>>22861231
>Bot a Niji account
>Aggressively push discord leaks
>Try to get the Chinese angry to try to cancel someone
>Spread that one of the members is an actual pedophile and groomed someone
>Report a stream at the hint of blood since you don't have permissions confirmed for the game
Sure thing buddy. And you keep losing.

>>22861356
>the average /#/ raider dot png

>>22861356
That's clickfarm though
I don't say viewfarm never exist but I don't see some news about that compared to clickfarm

>>22860738
> we finally have proof of botting.
> Nijifans: "Please don't look! Let us do our viewcount fraud in peace! Why are holobronies like this? Why can't they see us winning? Thus is why everyone hates you! me and my $11 bots hate you!"

>>22861370
So what? I got no horse in this race apart from curiosity about how botted streams are supposed to look. You crying about it makes you look pathetic.

>>22861412
I don't remember, but how did people here acted when Ame and Ollie got botted?

>>22861398
last night there was one anon who found this >>22815273

>>22861398
???
When it comes to livestreams, what difference is there between viewfarms and clickfarm? I mean you do need to click on a stream to view it so the terms is interchangable here.

>>22860802
Most people who would mind that kind of this have been filtered by Mori already

>>22861025
Counterpoint, her Triangle Strategy Endurance on 03-23 also had an Enna stream end during it
https://vrabi.net/video/RIDBS-QEZ9c
https://vrabi.net/video/FQGmKA3_b3Y
Different circumstances yes, Enna's stream was going real long and people were likely tired at the end, perhaps explaining the smaller funnel but you see the viewers rising up immediately after Enna's stream ends and fairly quickly at that. Within 10 minutes the funnel is over and we see the effects immediately meanwhile here we see a much slower gradual rise and then a sudden spike. Like I said though, not a definitive proof of anything but it's worth considering rather than discarding as just a funnel.

>>22861442
We also screamed bots when Ame and Ike got botted. More so when someone from global said he was gonna bot ame's stream.

>>22861442
Said that whoever did it was an idiot and that it showed that YT had ways to smack down obvious Botting, and that's about it, pretty sure.

>>22861370
you created a boogeyman in your head and attributed it to this thread, good job

>>22861443
Stating what happened isn't crying. At least you acknowledge what most people of this thread are doing underhanded tactics.

>>22861442
Went nuclear on the perps as well.
Again, actually manipulating numbers is just not done.

>>22861154
Bots ultimately hurt the streamer.

>>22861518
>This is the most influential thread on this board
>No we have no hand behind anything

>>22860738

what about that unknown 2view who got botted to the tally a few days ago
how was her graph looked like?

>>22861360
>*nukes your oshi*

>>22861510
>>22861512
>>22861521
Ok, did they act like it was the vtuber holocaust? I don't like the botting, but it's not the end of the world.

>>22861544
>Taking ironic memes seriously
NGMI

>>22861571
it's bad for this thread since we like our numbers to be accurate.
no one's gonna care about it outside of /here/ (other than Nijifujos who shriek when caught)

>>22861563
There is no graph. Because she's a 2view

>>22861571
I can't remember anyone acting like that back then, mostly just annoyance that it was clearly incorrect.

>>22861581
>Deflecting and distancing from the actions
Typical weasel.

>>22861571
Nah, since it's mostly someones word. Last night was different since he provided screenshot and price of botting.

>>22861508
>March 23rd
That day she was overlapping with Selen the whole time. Today, though, after Enna ended she was the only one streaming for like 20 mins before the other girls started, and that 20 mins is enough time for the funnel to get verified and added to the live counter.

>>22861571
Neither Hololive nor Nijisanji care about bots or culled ccvs. Because they can get their hands on actual numbers from Youtube.

But we run a horse race here, and how can we like it clean

I would like to regrettably inform people here that these recent happenings have been reported to reddit, but that much is obvious looking at the conversations here.

YT anti-bot system works. Thanks for proving it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvuGHKgw0w

Subaru confirms that outside collabs stopped because holo got "too big" apparently, and a lot of stuff they used to do are no longer possible/permitted or has too much red tape to get through, so they just don't bother.

>>22861664
Phone posting, ignore the 'how can'.

>>22861665
who the fuck cares?

>>22861614
> attributing one person's actions to the whole
13% 50% etc. etc.

>>22861665
>reported to reddit
kek, “the guy named 4chan” did it, or something. That’s the extent of their knowledge of this place
>internet hate machine.

>>22861665
Good, ho back and stay there.

>>22860738
This.
Frankly, this thread has gone from funny and interesting to full retarded after Luxiem moved into Asian / Chink hours. I liked checking /#/ for actual numbers and proper analysis based on facts, even though those were already rare enough. However, you guys have dropped to another lower level recently and have been acting increasingly similar to chink antis, if you haven't realized.
I'm all for "big numbers > small numbers" (with proper context). I have no issue whatsoever with mocking the losers, the slips, the ones with low numbers on both sides. I'm fine with mocking Luxiem fags for dumping EN and clearly jumping into the Asian market headfirst. I wouldn't even be surprised if some fujos are viewfarming either. However, trying to argue against tally anon because he decided to stick with his tallying method - which has been used for a long time - is dumb. Claiming that Luxiem fujos were viewbotting without concrete evidence other than "suspicious graph" is retarded; And acted against VTubers to prove your point (which, ironically, didn't prove any shit) is even worse. Stop being retarded and buying into your own shitposts

>>22861672
Guy was stupid for doing 5k viewers on a 1k median streamer. If he did like 300-500 maybe he can get away with it.

>>22861683
>confirms that outside collabs stopped
for her maybe. Haachama had an off collab with Hoshikawa not a month ago, for instance

>>22861745
And her rl friend

>>22861683
>has too much red tape to get through
Probably this. It's not like they can't collab with anyone but the screening is too hard and probably not worth the effort unless you really want to collab

>>22861683
What is her schedule filled with? I swear holos just keep saying this but I'm not seeing it, is it just recordings for lives or something?

>>22861665
how the fuck do you even know, I went to check the nijisanji reddit after what you said and there's nothing there

>>22861734
tl;dr. Happy it happened to you or sorry for your loss, whatever applies

>>22861756
not anymore
ren-chan collab has become ng

>>22861779
Subaru is one of the daily streamers, that piles up when there are idol reps

>>22861734
Then why are you still here?

>>22861789
What? Why? The corpse of her manager gave her the OK.

>>22861789
This is haachama we're talking about, and this is the second time she's done a collab with this girl, it'll probably be a couple of months before she does this again and then says "sorry I forgot" with no repercussions whatsoever

>>22861781
they mean the weekly virtualyoutubers thread where there's a bunch of fags going "lel just jelly they're more popular than their oshis"

>>22861683
What this anon said >>22861745
Marine spoke about this before that a lot of Holo members are just too... weak-willed, for lack of better words in my mind right now. They can actually do a lot especially if they are willing to negotiate with the management (i.e: see her semi-swimsuit costume), but many of them just stopped after hearing "It might be difficult" or "It will take time".
Those who truly want to, can still do what they want to do (or at least most of what they could do before)

>>22861823
unclear on the reasons https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1516585029366796289
might have gotten doxxed/harassed irl
it's not like where she goes to school is unknown

>>22861756
>>22861789
That was always NG, her personal manager (which is new) “okay’d” it but didn’t have upper management authorization to do that.
It’s more likely that the manager got something asked by Haachama
>can I do another stream with my “friend”
didn’t think too deep and okayed it thinking said friend was Hoshikawa or another schizoHaato “I’m my own friend” stream

>>22861683
Well, the first one is definitely the biggest hurdle
>My schedule is totally packed
No reason to seek outside collabs if you're already up to your neck in shit. Then there's the risk that a yab by a collab partner ends up dragging you down too, and suddenly management is looking at it like 'do you really need to?' as risk management.

>>22861734

>>22861871
Nah, it’s more likely >>22861876. Personal managers have a lot of autonomy on what they can approve without consulting upper management and the new Haachama manager must not have fully grasped what he was approving

>>22861807
Because I still value chartanon's graphs and I still enjoy watching the horse race. I just hope you guys stop being retarded about your theories against Luxiemfags. This thread was never that bad before this month

>>22861868
this is literally what was happening with gura, she literally just gave up if she got a little bit or resistance , apparently she got better about that? but i don't see too much resulting from that

>>22861683
Sounds like the manager is just too lazy to fill out the paperwork

>>22861876
I would probably kill myself if i was her manager.

>>22861876
kek imagine if this is true, is this haachama hazing her new manager? Telling her in the most vague possible way, and they didn't ask her for details because they were probably told it's better not to only for her to do this and get scolded afterwards... And you know she'll do it again
This is so fucking funny to me

>>22861876
>>22861912
>New Hachama manager
What did he do to deserve such a fate?

>>22861787
>>22861886
tl;dr: stop being retarded and buying into your own shitposts, then.
I made it that long because I didn't want to get mistaken for a seething fujo

>>22861620
Anon this is March 23rd. If anything overlapping should've dampened this funnel, and you're probably right, it probably did, but it's undeniable she did get a funnel. Even if we forgo the spike from right where Enna ended and go to about 5 minutes after, where a second half of Selen's funnel begins, we a rise of 50 viewers, minimal yes, but still statistically significant when the peak was 630. In fact, thanks for bringing to attention Selen's graph:
https://vrabi.net/video/XCP255oB3JE
when Enna ends, she immediately spikes upwards as well achieving a peak right after 7 minutes. You're positing that the YT verification took that long, I'm showing you a similar situation where the funnel is shown immediately. I think you're too convinced it's natural when there are signs that it is possibly not natural. Again, I'm not saying it 100% was the anon's bots, I'm just saying that that explanation is on the table as well.

>>22861868
Well, most of them are never work professionally unlike Marine so they never have the experience to deal with higher-ups

>>22861926
>about your theories against Luxiemfags
Anon, it’s one or two anons. Most people are like you, here for the charts and horse race.
Then there is that one (1) hyperpartisan anon that thinks he’s fighting some sort of battle to defend his oshi-company. If you ignore him and the 13 schizos that take turns in this thread it’s a good thread

>>22861850
lmao that entire place is just people going with second hand info.
Holy shit I thought the nijiniggers /here/ were bad, but they are far worse outside.

https://twitter.com/VTuber_style/status/1517058061395185665?t=-BSHhA9mYO27obdv8RCmtQ&s=19

Power of the BOX

>>22862019
Cute Indy in the top right corner.

>>22862019
Ancient vtubers...

>>22861966
> headcanon
filtered

>>22861868
I mean it really depends on WHO Subaru wants to collab with, Hoshikawa is pretty much an honorary holo at this point and she's not some new chuuba who might slip or "betray" haachama or anything like that, they've known each other for ages so there shouldn't really be any paperwork or anything like that if they want to collab.

>>22862019
Uproar... Ridiculous...

>>22862051
>paperwork
I wonder if the ball is in the outside party's hand about the paperwork and some of them are just too lazy or feel that it is too restrictive.

>>22862019
>Ranunculus
>Uproar
>Roboco
is this the losers edition

>>22862082
Well, maybe they are too busy, too much paperwork for collab outside Hololive and they can collab inside Hololive easily

>>22862051
azki and sora have their network of og vtubers/vsingers
polka is kinda in the same circle in her pl
interesting that polka got that ponpoko+peanuts collab recently