/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>22634099
HoloES must come first

>>22634134
HoloSG and HoloPH first

>>22634099
Because all the other companies that have tried to expand to korea have failed, like nijisanji.

It's not worth it, the mukbang streamers and the kpop streamers have all the potential audience

the application has been open for 2 years and they still cant find a competent korean manager

>>22634173
HoloLaos 1st

>>22634099
They looked at NijiKR performance and decided it's not worth it.

>>22634099
I think even GER is a better market than korea at that point

>>22634099
>Why hadn't it happened yet?
Because there isnt a single person in NijiKR that has over 30 viewers

>>22634099
Korean hate their own kind

>>22634099
NijiKR dead anon why should holo invest in a dead market

gooks hate vtubers. i actually dont see any gook clips on youtube while there are many taiwanese ones out there

>>22634134
HoloRU is still happening right?

>>22634099
Korean independent market is strong but the Korean corporate market is weak and it seems the general populace there has no interest in it
They're happy having people like Ina or Kronii or even just watching HoloJP like everyone else

>>22634424
Korea is also prone to geopolitical yabs comparable to China's, which Cover rather not bother with.

>>22634402
No, they have to actually dethrone putin first

>>22634099
Feminism

>>22634099
Because that would be just like holoID - scuffed version of EN branch, leeching on western fanbase. That will spread this fanbase even thinner and numbers will greatly suffer.
If you believe that gooks will prefer watching holoKR instead of translated holoEN/holoJP clips, you are greatly mistaken.

>>22634604
That and most Japanese companies don't want to deal with Korean ones unless they really, really have to. Yes, it does have historical context.

>>22634099
Awful market, you'd rather be an actual streamer since KRs have no soul and it is all about looks and feminism

>>22634709
Nigger, then whats Niji KR. The gook market is basically broken due to piracy. Korea still has many third world flaws. Thats why they couldnt have their own console games, manga, and animations, and keep making Chinky F2P garbage.

Koreans dont give a shit bout vtubers in the first place. Besides that, the business model of Hololive just doesnt fit the market. Niji fits bc they dont run any business other than each vtuber streaming

>>22634668
>holoID - scuffed version of EN branch, leeching on western fanbase
How new are you?

>>22634976
How delusional are you?

>>22634099
the only Korean language vtuber group that's regularly getting 4 digits on Twitch is a group made of vrchat personalities that has been active for years and that was formed on the back of one of the biggest streamers in Korea. the majority of Korean vtubers are 2views or just barely 3views, they'd end up in the same situation nijikr did with members having to act as esl/jsls to have any sort of success. Korean vtuber fans would rather watch English or Japanese vtubvers.

>>22635101
Not delusional enough to think EN came first.

>>22634200
there's a couple experienced managers now out of a job that they could hire...

>>22634099
Any anthropology degree baristas wanna explain what the Gooks have against vtubers?

>>22634424
>Ina or Kronii
They don't even follow Ina or Kronii that much
Instead they follow Bae, then Kiara/Mumei
It seems like they don't want Korean vtubers, but rather non-Korean vtubers who are interested in Korea

bora...

>>22634402
we already have HoloRU gen0, thats the most of HoloRU hololive will ever have

>>22637308
That explains why there are so many gooks on Vent and Kob streams and supa.
Are they self-hating like indogs are?

>>22634291
They were obsessed with Kiara for a while that she began catering to them and even got their clip channel to force them to watch her live even though it's a bad timezone for them. I don't know if she retained any of that or it was a brief fad.

>>22634668
>holoID - scuffed version of EN branch
For now.
KR has potential, but it's going to be limited if they're in for a long term (5+ years). ES has low weebs per capita.
SEA has the most immense potential, high economic growth and high weebs per capita ratio.
ID might be bigger than JP 5 years in the future, and if by then they could be sustainable, then HoloPH or HoloTH or HoloVN is a possibility.
For now they're trying to pander to EN to survive, but it might change now that ID market is starting to grow. As it shown by Kobo having an exceptional popularity among ID viewers. Her total local donations is actually on par with Zeta and her senpais, whom pandering heavily towards EN.

>>22637762
If we follow how the netizen triangle works:
>Nips hate chinks
>Chinks hate gooks
>Gooks think they're better than everyone, including their countrymen
You can see why the Vtubing portion over there would be unironically self-hating also

>>22637909
I'm pretty certain ES has the most shonen/dragon ball fans per capita of any language. It's not really hololive's target but they have weebs.

>>22637155
the same thing that most other streams have against v豚s

>>22634969
In the 90s, Korea had a problem with people still littering in the streets even though the infrastructure was already as good as Japan.
They were on par with SEA in 60s, but they've become a few times richer now, but that won't change the fact that social improvement can't be done as fast as the economic one.
They still have the SEA level mentality, every Kpop drama involving KR vs SEA have always been ugly sights.

>>22636050
>experienced managers now out of a job
even I as a nijifan wouldn't wish that upon you friends

>>22634099
Numberfags were shitting on Cover for not making a KR branch until 1 anon did their research instead of just shitposting with screenshots of vrabi. Basically the only successful KR group has been streaming for years, are using the popularity of a big channel to bring tourists and have fans that are more than willing to attack anyone that encroaches on their space. Hololive taking money from the gooks without making a branch is unironically the best option considering the market conditions and how crazy the gooks can be.

korea sucks lol

>>22637308
Nah opposite, they're extremely nationalistic and hate diaspora

>>22634099

>>22634099
>Isn't KR an obvious expansion market?
South Korea is full of kpop idols
Even if Cover managed to convince koreans to watch vtubers over the plastic kpop idols, Hybe, JYP, SM, YG would just get live2Ds for some of their talents and completely displace Cover and Hololive

i believe in HoloRu because of Botan until... you know.. war

>>22638440
Exactly, they hate korean diaspora while they want foreigners

>>22638260
the main problem with their market is piracy. they failed to get rid of that shitty third world habit. a physical or paid market doesnt work at all so sk devs/companies had to keep producing chinky f2p trash or disposal digital contents. now sk devs have gone down due to cheap chink games, and chinks buy sk devs up.

indonesia also has the same piracy problem, too, but i guess, the id branch isnt really costly because they are pure third worlders, whereas sk branch would cost despite having no profitable developed market.

>>22634099
The only "risk" taken by Hololive was EN and that would never happen without Coco making them aware of holo success in the west
the rest is Cover copying Nijisanji attempts
They even created Hololive KR and India twitter accounts but since nijisanji branches flopped they never moved forward with it
and history is repeating itself with that male hololive audition

>>22634668
If they could be as successful as HoloID that would be a great success, despite the leeching on western fanbase. Not every branch needs to hit HoloJP/HoloEN levels. An ID level success gives a point to build on for future generations.

>>22638916
The amount of harassment that would be thrown at a prospective HoloRU these days would put the Taiwan debacle to shame. Their twitters would flooded with pictures of dead ukrainian kids.

>>22634099
I feel like KR would have the same problem as ID. They would be viewed as either a bonus EN or bonus JP generation depending on which they speak more of. Doing Korean only streams would be a debuff, which incentivises them to pander to international audiences, which stunts the growth of an authentic Korean vtuber scene.

>>22640104
>being this clueless
You could take a look at Twitch to see that many Korean indie vtubers have 5k+ views some even have more views than Council.
KR and TW all have a very big market only behind JP and US

>>22640493
Rhose are isegye

>>22634099
Korea's domestic audience is worse than China's
It would be a mistake and not worth the risk

>>22640104
ID managed to recover and cut out its own identity though. You're right that it flopped around for quite awhile trying to find its place but there're legitimate ID fans now who aren't just watching them looking for English at weird hours.

I have to wonder if there's some tactic to go KR that you could find looking through their strong indie community instead of aping Nijisanji's failure in the region. It's certainly not a talent problem since NijiKR had some fantastic talents.

>>22634099
Cover has big chink sponsors back then so having a cn branch isn't really hard

>>22634255
For real?

>>22634099
>Isn't KR an obvious expansion market?
Not at all my dude

>>22641660
well of course nijiKR disbanded, none of them have viewers infact.
the popular ones absorbed get around 100-300 viewers though

>>22634134
>>22634173
HoloSwahili

>>22634134
>>22634173
>>22634202
>>22634242
>>22634402
>Holo(Whatever the fuck language)

Let's consider Mexican Nyan Cat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QyDhLj5hU

Once this popped up, haha funny. Then every other fucking language wanted in. The dumbest one was ironically Japanese Nyan Cat.

Point being. Just because there's X-language, that doesn't mean there has to be Holo(Whatever the fuck language). If X-language wants to prove that there's a viable vtuber market there, then create a vtuber agency for said market. Otherwise, English (or Japanese) is good enough.

What about Indonesia? They were lucky enough to be Japan's testing ground for a foreign market.

Then let's not forget about the utter failure of HoloCN.

>>22634402
HoloRU might actually fall into the same fate as HoloCN because of Russia's fascist policies right now.

>>22639963
I mean, if that upcoming Israeli group's twitter doesn't end up filled with dead Palestinian kids then it's possible.

>>22639026
May I ask what the problem with piracy habit is? Isn't watching Youtube for free and tip the streamer if you feel like them the business model?

>>22638916
Russian economy was really bad before the sanctions

>>22642367
>because of Russia's fascist policies right now.
I fucking wish. Putin purged all of the "far right" by smearing them as "neo-nazis". Putin is literally redit.

>>22639963
>Their twitters would flooded with pictures of dead ukrainian kids
More likely their own dead relatives.
I have seen the occasional russian posting in Mel, Watame, Haachama and Aki's streams.
I highlight to googletranslate and it's always Russian, not Ukrainian or other slavic language that uses that stupid alphabet.
Usually just
>greetings from russia
or shit relevant to the stream at hand.

>>22642367
>HoloCN
Was it successful or profitable before it was terminated?

>>22643177
The problem with doing business with chinese firms, because cover had to work with a local partner due to regs, is getting the money out of china.
Getting money out of china is like trying to induce water out of a stone.

>All these spics denying possibility of Hololive Korea
HoloES itself will never happen

>Hololive Korea
>Why hadn't it happened yet?
Because this image is the average Korean

>>22643177
yes it was very successful with the chink, even HoloJP greatly benefitted. Thing is though, the Chinese actually have money to burn, something like HoloES and HoloRU will never be successful since those demographics are filled with poors

>>22634099
HOLO burkina faso must come first

>>22642832
Putin has killed hundreds, maybe thousands of Redditors by now.

>>22643177
The actual HoloCN branch wasn't really that big, but Hololive's involvement in China did get them clippers and the Azure Lane collab which gave them the momentum going into 2020 which was the boom year.

>>22636050
He doesn't know.....

>>22640493
>Korean indie vtubers
you mean members of a Korean vtuber group that is banned from being discussed on the central Korean vtuber board after having been caught botting and astroturfing. no indie gets anywhere close to 5k viewers

>>22634099
because gooks are nearly as mentally ill as zhangs

>>22642175
I unironically hope the next EN gen has a proper negress.

>>22638916
why invest in a country who will bankrupt after the war?

>>22643457
>stopTHAAD
either chink or north korean larping

A Korean branch would be insanely successful if it was all male.

>>22634173
>HoloPH
Kek, fujo and Kpopers still larger than weebs in Philippines. You eventually need males vtuber for penetrating PH market.

>>22634255
Bora... but by speaking Japanese, also 30 is a stretch, but it's true they're not doing well.

>>22634291
There are a ton of Korean vtuber fans, they are just mostly on twitch.

>>22642711
Didn't stop them from going into Indonesia

Ina singing in Korean last karaoke was so cute...

>>22634134
>>22634173
>>22634402
poor countries AND no growth potential. know yourself first poorfags

>>22649386
indonesia is a emerging economy
russian economy will be shittier after the war

>>22649260
yep. korean vtubers with 10k ccv on twitch if you bother to look.

>>22634255
There are a few now that have increased to an average of a few hundred viewers
but they basically dropped speaking korean and now speak in japanese

The ones that still speak in korean are 2views

People didn't know that you must have "one" insider from your country in Cover to got your own branch,
and people don't aware of how important M-chan for the ID branch creation.
you'll never get your branch if there's no native that understand how to penetrate the market.

>>22634173
>>22649513
>HoloSG
Singapore is rich, but a branch for them doesn't make sense. Their main language is already English and they only have ~5m people, that's not much of a market

>>22649659
also because nijikr is a fucking shitshow of drama and horrible mismanagement so they never had a chance to actually grow since all anyone ever heard from them was how bad their management was.

>>22649545
also their potential audience is shrinking by the day.

>>22634099
From what I understand of Korea its precisely the reason why japs love vtubers is why vtubing never took off in Korea.

>>22649386
only to chase after Nijisanji and to get Hana's (at the time) success, the same reason they made HoloIN and HoloKR twitter accounts and manager postings but didn't act after seeing the results

>>22634099
I'm sorry but HoloFIN is where it's at

>>22634099
KR is the language of only one viable country. It makes more sense something like ES that have multiple countries.

/vt/, let us look at history. Hololive EN is now for shit management that at best is hands off with their talents. Do you know why Nijisanji KR fell off, shit management that at best was hands off. Best case scenario Hololive KR would get a bump from Kronii and start off strong and then coasts from there.

Worst case scenario the branch rapidly loses steam and Cover cannot get the venture off of the ground. Leading to a merge at best or slow insidious series of graduations at worst.

Japanese companies are shit at managing overseas branches laissez faire at best works for EN branches. Where there's still many viewers a company can acquire. KR branches need better monitoring because the Korean space is already full of competition. In singing, gaming, and in every other niches you can think of.

>>22651583
The amount of Koreans who actually have the means to send super chats dwarfs the entire Spanish-speaking world.

>>22634099
Krakhovia!?

>>22643177
HoloCN itself was okay, but most profit was made by JP branch. They also got some sponsorship here and there (arknight, azur lane).

>>22634255
t. retard who don't look at numbers
Most of them are 3 view, with Nari being 4 view

>>22634173
No, HoloCambodia first

>>22634134
Amelia

>>22634173
>SG
Who?
>PH
ID exists for SEAgang.

>>22634099
>why
Ina and Kronii and Baelz can all speak Korean. Hololive isn't going to put money into 3~ livers in HoloKR gen 1 for the chance Koreans sperg out and anti them for no reason, it's easier to get the KR bucks flowing to existing livers.

>>22649386
You're thinking like an Anglo businessman who thinks that quick profit is king so you can reinvest it as soon as possible to diversify in case your business fails.
Japanese businessmen likes to think in a long term, that business must be able to survive for decades. They are using their brain and energy to survive, while Anglos are using their money to survive.

Indonesia is a poor country, but the growth potential is immense, with less archaic government beraucracy than India and freer government than China.
Korea has unfriendly government and people towards Japan, Russia has no future economically, Spanish countries has been in the middle income trap for decades with no sustainable industrialization progress in sight.

>>22634604
Yeah, gooks like to expose their hateboner at nips to extort their money and tech

>>22651984
>Hololive EN is now for shit management that at best is hands off with their talents.

what? the main complaint about EN management is that they're too much in control not that they're too hands off.

>>22634173
>SG
>PH
Fuck the both of you. Learn English.

Great Korean vtubers:
>Ban Hada
>Miori Celesta
>Seffyna

>>22654592
>Japanese businessmen likes to think in a long term
nta but this is a retarded take. They're not thinking long term, they're just risk averse because they can't infinitely borrow money from banks and creditors due to the last asset price bubble crash in the '90s, it's the gov't reigning the banks in who in turn starved out high risk ventures. JP businesses are just as greedy for infinite growth as the EN countries, they just lack access to credit.

>>22643900
I'm conflicted now. How am I supposed to hate him?

>>22643177
The CN branch was a legit money sink, which Cover used as the official reason for leaving the CN market. There’s posts in /jp/ that have the income breakdowns from all the branches back when it was all going down. The JP girls were making more than the CN branch just from 1-2 monthly Bilibili streams, had more subs on there than on YouTube and were more popular than every other chuuba aside from Kizuna.

>>22650654
kek