/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2253454
godspeed op, now the real question is, what to do with this information? i think that I will jerk off and then sleep, what about you?

shut the FUCK UP about your FUCKING NUMBERS

>>2253454
also, apparently this problem started in early December 2020, according to the info on the picture.

>>2253581
I shall do the same.

>>2253637
Kill yourself Susan and fix this "feature"

didn't read

on one hand I hate numberfags but on the other I really hate how they keep acting like my oshi would be doing so much better on twitch despite everyone telling them a thousand times this shit happens with youtube's live numbers so having it definitively laid out is nice I guess

>>2253454
>35%
>this means haachama's return stream and pekos outfit reveal had over 100k viewers
could have been nice to see those reactions

>>2253454
It's literally just adblockers retard-kun. Youtube wants to make sure that the statistics they give to advertisers are from people who don't have adblock so they don't count people with adblock as a viewer towards their video. Outright banning adblock from their platform is also retarded because it's something like 13% of all users who have adblock on and if they got it to 0% it would just dilute the CPM since none of the people who use adblock would buy anything from advertisements.

>>2253660
Has anyone tried comparing the figures to 3D streamers to see if the problem is overall or just for vtubers?

>>2254062
Haven’t there been anons who said their view counted even when they had cookies disabled/adblock enabled though?

Does the live viewercount even matter besides epeen waving? They still get the same superchats and memberships and if the viewers see ads, they still get ad revenue, right? So does anything change?

>>2254272
Unreliable because they can only determine that while watching low viewcount indies and Youtube used to, possibly still, doesn't filter views in low viewcounts.

If the adblock theory was true, wouldn’t that mean EN has an even larger amount of live viewers considering how prevalent adblock is in the west compared to Japan.
I haven’t checked in a long while but the vod views for the girls, while they have gone down, it’s not like they cratered.

you have mental problems

>>2254309
If Youtube is doing it intentionally, then no. The only reason is epeen waving vs Nijis and not wanting other people to make fun of them for "declining".

>>2254537
It's only prevalent in certain demographics and certain communities apparently. I thought that most of the internet had adblock like me but apparently everyone under the age of 16 and everyone who wasn't molested as a child doesn't use adblock.

>>2254537
Could be the massive rise in EN viewers coincided with the "bug" popping up

>>2254309
It does matter for sponsorships

Just enjoy the streams dude.

It's not just Hololive or the big vtubers. I've seen 350 in the waiting room go down to 70 live viewers when the stream starts.

>>2253454
Gura started to lose in vod views too or something?

I knew this bug since indies with constant 300 viewers all dropped to under 100 for no reason

>>2255088
Yes, cumbuds have been coping since then

>>2255088
Just comparing her solo MC streams. At her peak she was getting 1m+ in views.
Her most recent MC solo has her at around 550k views at a peak of 20k live viewers.
A similar performing stream before the "bug" occurred, has her at a peak of 50k live viewers.

>>2255088
Yes, by 30% in views/time atm, although her vod numbers are always growing, so it might be like 20% fall at the end of month, if the current trend continues.
With the total sum of the big names of Holos and Nijis both falling around 15% as well; Vshojo stagnant. The vtuber hype is dying.

those of you saying that it doesn't matter bro it's just a number bro are delusional. the vtubers themselves notice it even if some of them don't openly acknowledge it. it could easily mess with their minds, and we're not dealing with individuals who are very mentally healthy. it might influence some to graduate. maybe it already has. furthermore, perception matters. narratives exist. antis exist. fuel to the fire. throwing a body to the piranhas. people like to associate themselves with success. hololive has big numbers and gets big superchats so if i watch hololive that success reflects well on me. it's a vicarious thing ya dig? a bit like sports teams. if people see diminished view counts, they might associate it with decline, even though it's just a bug on youtube's part and stop watching and superchatting. how many people even know the bug exists? how many people deny it in the face of incontrovertible evidence like that shown in the OP? the lie becomes the truth.

>>2255392
>how many people even know the bug exists? how many people deny it in the face of incontrovertible evidence like that shown in the OP?
People coping, obviously.

>>2255392
Funny enough, the EN Youtube twitter refuses to acknowledge that its a bug and says its a feature while the JP Youtube twitter account said they were aware it was an issue. This was around a week (?) after everyone noticed the drastic drop in viewers.

>>2253454
If you could do the same data science but with streamer or other content creator that stream on twitch and YouTube.
I maybe take your works as a fact.

>>2255158
If it's a viewer count bug then chat should be the same. Unless they have 250 lurkers or something.
It's more likely they got fucked by the algorithm and aren't being recommended anymore. Youtube is a truly shit platform if you aren't exploding in popularity.

>>2253454
>We just know it happens, we dont know the reason why.
youtube doesn't display viewers that don't see ads, because they use this same metric to charge the ad companies.

>Starting December 14th, you may see a decrease in your peak live concurrent viewership (CCV) count as we remove spam viewers. This effort is part of our ongoing effort of making sure YouTube is a fair and authentic community.

>>2255556
The algorithm is one thing but for live viewership across the board (50+ vtubers in Hololive's case) to all nosedive overnight is another thing.

>>2253454

>>2253581
this, really. no one cares. hiding viewer counts means nothing when the superchat/membership money is still pouring in.

>>2255522
Would need to tell me who then, also I could only find youtube's max viewers from hiyoko, which is centered on jp vtubers, so there'd need to be another site with that info

if youtube needs to calculate the number of users running adblock on the back end for advertisers thats perfectly fine, it shouldnt have any influence on a number that represents the number of people watching a stream
thats basically one step away from the shit bilibili does

It's not a bug if YouTube intentionally updated the code in how they count viewers.

>>2253581
>>2255720
Doesn't this marginally impact ad revenue views?

>>2255088
Gura is reclining, but not in a massive way or anything. She's just stabilizing to her actual audience size as the fotm casuals move on to something else.

cover is just buying likes lol

>>2257346
and views and chat engagement and superchats, yes.

>>2253454
V-tubers are being surpressed so they don't dominate the youtube trends. Youtube wants everyone watching their shit youtubers and trap rappers instead of v-tubers. V-tubers have been the biggest trend to hit since who knows when, yet youtube pretends that they don't exist because they aren't approved cattle feed.

I know that I don't leave views on Youtube, but in my case the issue must be somewhere else, because I don't leave views on Streamable either. I haven't bothered to properly check what could be the cause, though I suspect Disconnect, but the Firefox add-on page tells me only 113,426 people use it, so it can't be a major problem on a larger scale.

And numbers are absolutely an issue. Being indie is hard enough without having a portion of your viewership get hidden and probably also deprioritized by the algorithm as a result. As for corporate chuubas, I wouldn't be surprised if live viewership etc. affected their ability to get sponsorships and things like that which probably bring in more money than superchats or memberships. And sure, it's not the only metric potential sponsors use, but one of them nonetheless and someone having half their viewers be invisible is going to affect the suits' calculations. It also would not be much of an issue if everyone was affected roughly equally, but it seems that for whatever reason some get hit harder than others.

>>2253454
t. seething Holofag

YOUR VCHUBA IDORU COMPANY IS RECLINING

COPE HARDER FAGGOT

>>2255720
>this, really. no one cares.

Aki was going to retire over her sub numbers and nearly non existent view count and just said as recently as a few days ago that it continues to stress her out, make her sad, give her worry that the things that she pours so much effort and time into still doesn't receive as much, uh, attention as she'd like it to. Obviously everybody would like their shit to have a million views, but I think when you do a like 3d anniversary or birthday broadcast and you can't even get five digit viewers there's going to be some impact there. Likely a negative one. Yeah numberfagging is lame and everybody should not give a shit and who cares but man Choco getting 800 viewers playing Yakuza is something

>>2257864
>because they aren't approved cattle feed.
/thread
It's so obvious it's painfull
>you WILL watch the drag queen vlogs goym

>>2256406
no?

if there are 100,000 people watching, and they're getting ads and views, that's 100,000 impressions. it doesn't matter whether the little number under the video says 30,000 instead. 100,000 eyes still equals 100,000 eyes.

>>2258131

>>2253454
>>2253660
Notice how none of this "muh youtube hates holos" schizo conspiracy started until Gura started reclining. That fact says it all.

>>2258131
(You) can go home now
>>>/pol/

Stop replying to bait, retards.

>>2257864
can holofags go on 5 mins without a conspiracy theory

>>2258228
>but I think when you do a like 3d anniversary or birthday broadcast and you can't even get five digit viewers there's going to be some impact there.
You think so? I watch plenty of indie vtubers who peak at half a grand like tenten and hanamori but are still at it. I think the corporate vtubers are just becoming too entitled.

>>2258228
nijis stream to barely triple digits all the time and are fine? suck for aki, but that's a personal psychological issue for her.

>>2258923
aki's got more people to sustain than just herself

>>2258228
>I think when you do a like 3d anniversary or birthday broadcast and you can't even get five digit viewers there's going to be some impact there. Likely a negative one.
Aki was absurdly unlucky in that particular instance, because that same day Youtube streaming was barely even working for a lot of people me included.
It's the same day Korone threatened to go to Twitch.

>>2254309
>>2254746
It matters for sponsorships, when Noel was doing Nissin’s sponsored curry stream she couldn’t hit the live viewer goals because of the YouTube “feature”. Japanese companies only see “big number good” in meetings and go off that.
Keep in mind that posts numberfagging with Vnuma are made by a single person, the vyt sperg, who wants to start a fanwar between hololive and niji.

>>2258794
What else am I supposed to do?

>>2257864
Vtubers are an oppressed class

Miko getting nearly the same amount of viewers on an ad-hoc Twitch stream is proof enough YT's CCV count is fucked up.

>>2258923
most ppl in niji have other jobs

>>2229497
I knew it

>>2253454
Cope holofag. Vtuber is a fad

>>2258501
Right. But if the view number only says 30,000 that means the streamer would only expect to be paid for 30,000. If there are actually 100,000 impressions that means that youtube could just pocket the difference. But something like that would only happen if Google were evil.

>>2253454
I'm not familiar with Twitch, but I think VOD views on Twitch are only counted after the stream is over. On YouTube watching the livestream will count as a view on the VOD.

>>2268050
They've changed it recently.

>>2253454
Hides where?

I'll bump this out interest

cope holoviewbots

>>2268523
>tech company
>banning bots
sure thing

>>2253660
>>2253454
OH NO NO NO, MY FAVORITE IDOL'S VIEWSHIP IS DECLINING THEN IT MUST BE THE EVIL GOOGLE'S FAULT, NOT BECAUSE OF MY OSHI BORING PERSONALITY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2269036
It's not banning bots. It is just stopping suspicious viewers from contributing to the live viewer counts.

>>2269734
what classifies as a suspicious viewer to our puritan youtube-kun? Saying fuck on chat? Not watching the majority of trash videos from your own country? Not watching youtube's shitty trendy tranny vlogs? Skipping/blocking ads?

>>2270571
>what classifies as a suspicious viewer to our puritan youtube-kun?
Some things that might be used off the top of my head
- Whether the stream is being watched from an embedded player or from the website
- What platform the user is using
- What browser the user is using
- Whether or not they are watching from an account
- Geographical location
- Whether or not the user interacts with videos
- Whether or not the user interacts with other creator's videos
- Whether or not the user has bought premium
- Whether or not the user has bought a membership / superchatted someone before
- Whether or not the user has the stream muted
- Whether or not the user has switch off the youtube tab
- Whether or not the video is playing in the background
- Whether or not the user is watching other streams / videos at the same time
- Whether or not the user navigated to the stream from the website / app or from an external link
- How many people have blocked / reported you in chat
>Saying fuck on chat?
YouTube doesn't care unless you spam it and people report it.
>Not watching the majority of trash videos from your own country?
>Not watching youtube's shitty trendy tranny vlogs?
YouTube does not care which videos that you watch. YouTube just wants you to spend time on their platform watching content. They could care less if you never check out the trending page or watch youtuber outside of your niche.
>Skipping/blocking ads?
They don't care about this either. They have accepted that people are going to do it.

>>2271179
>YouTube does not care which videos that you watch. YouTube just wants you to spend time on their platform watching content. They could care less if you never check out the trending page or watch youtuber outside of your niche.

You're on a conspiracy board consisted of /pol/ refugees. Many people unironically believe Youtube wants to sabotage Hololive to promote transgender dildo videos

>>2271300
Not just hololive, but any chuuba streaming on youtube, along with any other slightly controversial/badmouthed niche.
They likely find their content too problematic when compared to the mainstream they want to recommend, such as huge news networks, big talk shows or coco melon.

Recently koopa did some twitch streams. In the first one, due to tech difficulties she kept switching from youtube to twitch and back. Every time she changed to twitch, viewers more than doubled.

So it's pretty obvious.

>>2253454
Interesting info. Click >>2249135 (especially the second half) for more on youtube's fuck ups on this matter.

>>2263710
how are you this dumb? if that actually happened you think anyone would keep quiet about it?

>>2255088
Here is the reason why gura vod has larger number, holoen streams seems to spike more frequent compared to jp side.

>>2280998
what does more spikes on the graphic of unhidden live viewers has to do with her vod views? The way I see it, more spikes just means youtube refreshes that live number more frequently