/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2240304
Nice thumbnail faggot

>>2240319
Text is /pol/shit, i don't want anyone to read it.

>thumbnail image
>gura
>reddit screenshot
Yep. It's chumkiddies alright.

>>2240304
>trans daughter
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

>>2240334
Gura doesn't even use reddit

>>2240325
Why didn't you post the real text then
https://reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/jlcm22/my_daughter_decided_she_wanted_to_be_gawr_gura/

>>2240342
Definitely wasn't forced to be trans by their redditor parents. Giving HRT to a 9 year old is completely normal.

>>2240371
Because I had no idea if it was a real post or not, only the image, but wanted to know since the topic of haloween cosplay is actually interesting.

>>2240304
So this is what a chumbud looks like.

>>2240383
The trans part isn't real you deranged, obsessed fucking schizo. Meds.

>>2240396
>but wanted to know since the topic of haloween cosplay is actually interesting.
And you know that's genuine by how this thread has immediately been derailed with a fake image.

>>2240342
Already balding lol

>>2240304
Single mothers everyone.

>>2240419
Dilate

>>2240419
I was going off the image OP posted dumbass. I'm sorry my reddit knowledge isn't as bountiful as yours.

>>2240419
Yes, I'm the deranged one. Not the party that thinks it's okay to give puberty blockers to children to young to even give consent.

Even if this one isn't a tranny, they're out there

>>2240491
>I believe everything I read on the internet because I have no critical thinking skills
this is why you actually said

>>2240577
Ok reddit detective I really just don't care. Go watch artemis tranny sympathizer

>>2240304
I would dress as Enma, hope some faggots try to hate rape me in the street

>>2240652
I would totally rape but only because I'd mistake you for a Shadow cosplayer.

>>2240419
>OBSESSED OBSESSED OBSESSED EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE ME IS OBSESSED OBSESSED OBSESSSSSSED
Nice job revealing yourself, tranny. A man still can't become a woman though.

>>2240304
>>2240371
society is collapsing

>>2240702
We let them win its over

>>2240694
Correct. But someone who was always a woman can take steps to make their body better reflect that.

Nice thread

>>2240740
spoken like a true pre-debut vtuber from twitter

>>2240371
グロ

Imagine dressing up your gf as your favorite chuuba and making her learn their mannerisms

>>2240831
Imagine calling a JOI hotline and you make them speak like aqua

>>2240304
>>2240371
Fuck you op

>>2240371
Definitely not a cute kid.

>>2240860
imagine, haha...

>>2240873
hahaha it would be very weird

>>2240831
This is a boy, isn't it? Nobody can be this flat.

>>2240831
> You will never have a gf to make dress up as Haachama and call you a degenalate
Bros...

>>2240831
Imagine your gf quite literally being your favorite chuuba who financially supports you with simpchats.

>>2240860
Can't believe he left us hanging on the person he called, imagine if she became a vtuber

>>2240926
GOD
DAMMIT

>>2240740
If he was a woman then why was he born with a dong, XY chromosomes and a high T count as well as other hormones that will trigger a male puberty, developing male musculature, bone structure, etc., if left to their natural course?

>>2240903
I need to find this service so I can blow a weeks paycheck on Haachama English phone sex

>>2240906
Crotch and shoulder width say it's a real gril.

>>2241004
We supplanted nature long ago, it is only a matter of time before we replace it. Natural phenomena is beneath us. Man is god free to do as he pleases.

>>2240903
fucking based

>>2241107
I'm sure haachama herself would be more than happy for giving this service

>>2240831
Holy fucking FLAT

>>2241190
Free to turn himself into an uncanny freak and a pale imitation of a woman through the use of dangerous drugs and surgeries? Yeah, our nature is very much still part of us.

someone post THAT Fubuki cosplay
I am not ready for a vacation

>>2241476
Eh, some of them can pass pretty good and i've never heard of people dying from the surgery or drugs. As for the ones who become ugly freaks, oh well, just one more on the pile. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

>>2241910
>it's OK to pump yourself full of hormone drugs and cut off body parts
you know you are mentally ill?

>>2241910
are you going to lose sleep over the 5 year old boys told they're actually girls by their Harris voting moms because they played with a doll once who are then dressed as girls and treated as such and given puberty blockers and removed from contact with their fathers who object because their transphobia is a bad and traumatic influence? what about when they kill themselves?

>>2241485
I want to be this girl's freind

>>2240371
Jesus Christ that is one ugly fucking brat. No wonder he's already a degenerate freak at such an early age.

>>2241990
Not the person you're replying to but that's a pretty contrived scenario that only exists in your head.

(Most rational people would not vote for Trump, by the way, so naturally voted for Kamala Harris. Doesn't mean they agree with her 100% and I kinda think you're doing the whole Biden is a puppet conspiracy thing because you said her for some reason instead of him, also this isn't a politics board)

>>2240304
I was thinking about the Holofightz Shubangelion. except you know shorter and with a gut.

>>2241946
I never said I was a tranny and thought terminating cliches are not very engaging.

>>2241990
"What about the kids" is soccer mom shit. I don't care, and you don't either. If we can airstrike children then we can accept a few homeland losses too. The hypothetical children who kill themselves because their crazed parents forced them to transition is a statistical non entity. So yes, I am still sleeping soundly.

>>2240371
Oh damn that is literal child abuse

>>2242203
you being mentally ill is not exclusive to you being a tranny
you are still mentally ill

>>2242255
no u?

>>2242203
>caring about children is soccer mom shit, let's just be immoral dude I mean these other immoral things happen
The absolute state.

You didn't even try to justify. You just said it's evil and you don't care

>>2242311
>Just ignore the rest of the post

>>2242203
maybe (you) should kill yourself

>>2242336
I read the whole thing. It was equally vapid.

You didn't even try to justify. You just said it's evil and you don't care.

Imagine sacrificing children at the altar of social justice.

that poor kid...never stood a chance.

I'd dress up as Mori, then proceed to rob a bank or something since I will get away with it anyway

>>2242311
Learn how to read. His point is posturing about how much you care about children being mistreated is clearly horseshit since people like you generally don't give a fuck about American imperialism leading to thousands of children being drone striked, nor do you generally give a fuck about children being left parentless at our borders. You don't care about children, you care about traditional western values. Just come out and say it, and next time you won't be easily outed as a hypocrite.

>>2242374
You can intentionally misinterpret me if you want, I never said it was good therefore their was nothing for me to justify. Children die more to literally everything else than they do to your imaginary pipeline. And just in case it isn't clear, if you're imaginary pipeline was real, then yes, I would be against it.

>>2241227
Some of her ASMR is dangerously close

>literal reddit thread
>thumbnail
>>2240371
>direct-linking reddit

>>2240909
Why even live?

>>2240831
>gloves are loose-fitting
ruined

>>2242637
Anon, the v in the /vt/ says everything.

>>2240577
God I hate redditors

>>2242637
you aren't very bright, are you

>>2240304
>Gura liked the tweet
She's too polite, they didn't deserve it. The cosplay could be alright if it wasn't ruined by that retarded hairstyle. Get a fucking wig for fuck's sake, do it properly or don't do it.

I got permabanned from all boards for posting "I'm a pedo and I don't like Gura" in thread saying that everyone who likes Gura is a pedo and I bet nothing will happen to OP

>>2242920
If you got permabanned then how are you here? Somethings not adding up.

>>2242934
I'm not at home
btw the reason for the ban was "idiot pedophile" in a clearly joke post. Meidos are antis

>>2243019
meidos are retarded trannyshark fans, you know how it goes

>>2242462
>How dare you display that I don't care about children, (I'm gonna assume like the dilating retard that I am, even though you just called it immoral) YOU don't care about children!
Why don't you help turn it into 46?

>>2242462
>dude western imperialism so everything morally wrong we as the communist left do is justified and cannot be criticized as we correctly self hate the west, literally kill all white people

1. Biden created an even bigger problem at the border. The left is making less of a deal about it now because it's not politically convenient to criticize the guy they just installed
2. Children being left parentless at the border is due to human smugglers who take advantage of us by putting children in danger and relying on us to save them so they can profit. It's neither the fault of the left or the right
3. Trump tried to pull troops out and was famously isolationist while Biden is more interventionalist, but the notion that because I acknowledge that child abuse as a result of leftist policies and intentional ignoring of reality is a bad thing that should be avoided and not ignored does not mean I think it's okay to bomb people overseas. I think it's wrong to do both and neither should be done. You think it's okay to pretend one doesn't exist because it's convenient to you and your ideology

>le traditional western values
You create a caricature of everyone who doesn't agree with you as some kind of hard right conservative Christian

Western values I don't care about:
>God
>church
>chastity
>heterosexality
>censoring the obscene

But if by western values you mean:
>children are not adults, do not understand the full consequences of their actions and should not be able to make life changing decisions on their own
>the government has no right to strip parents from their children because said government wants to pretend that child is the opposite gender and medically modify them to represent that and one or both parents disagree (this can hardly be called a traditional value because it's in response to an insanity that couldn't have been imagined 50 years ago)
>people should be judged as individuals, not as their race, even if that race is white
>people bear no collective responsibility for what other people who look like them or who historically lived in the same area did
Then yes, I want to prevent those scary traditional western values. commie.

>>2240304
God Damm that child looks like disgusting goblin you should just put her down at this point

>>2243236
>trump supporter
Why am I not surprised

>>2240371
why is this child so ugly

>>2243236
kek, boomer faggots really get triggered by the idea they might accidentally fap to somebody born a male. just how insecure are you dude. are we going to find out you were fucking male prostitutes and hiding it from your wife?

>>2242897
>Gura liked the tweet
anon, are you retarded?

>>2240396
Lmao no you didn't this was clearly a bait thread from the beginning.

>>2243400
>born a male
Not him, but that's kinda incorrect - you mean assigned male. Technically they would have been born female but incorrectly called male because they had a penis and nobody could ask them how they really felt and they didn't even know themselves yet

>>2242166
good shit mane
>>2243431
it was a happy accident i guess, as long as it works.

>>2243236
>doesn't care about any of the western values that would get in the way of him fapping to anime vtubers
>cares about exactly the ones that don't affect him but lets him hate on others for how they were born
KEK

>>2243236
>1. Biden created an even bigger problem at the border. The left is making less of a deal about it now
You don't know anything about American politics, didn't read the rest of your post.

>>2243415
There's more than one, the other tweet had a photo with her mother and younger sister too, that's the one Gura liked.

>>2243483
I guess dogs, cats, giraffes, and every other fucking mammal with a penis is "assigned male" and not born male too right?

What a load of bullshit

>>2243548
Oh, you read it. You just know I'm right so you're pretending you didn't.

>>2243611
Did you literally just equate animals to humans?

Obviously no, because humans have reason and more complex emotions and identifies informed by that reason. Animals are instinct

>>2242462
>le amercan imperialism
Oh boo fucking hoo. And yeah, I couldn't give a fuck about some negro whore's 12th child. I care about American children, you know, my country's future?
>children being left parentless at our borders
lmao retarded leftists really don't know about human trafficking do they?
>>2243236
cool seething in the replies, faggots. i'd write a long post like him but don't feel like doubling your suicide attempt numbers again.

>>2240304
atleast save something other than the thumbnail, /qa/nigger.

>>2243548
I don't feel like going through all the border articles from Trump era to Biden era to prove it.

Let's even assume that they're just as critical now or even more critical. They're not, but let's pretend. This doesn't make child abuse okay.

>>2243727
why is he bald? can hormones fuck you up this badly?

>>2243483
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>2243659

Absolutely disgusting tranny takes itt.

>>2243868

>>2243483
This whole thing is nonsensical. What exactly makes a tranny a woman in spite of their body? Their mind? Their brain? Every single neuron in their brain has a Y chromosome.
You're arguing for an almost metaphysical "female" substance, which is pretty ironic since leftists are atheists, to a comical degree even.

>>2243739
No, my point is you're conflating the left with democrats, because you're an idiot and don't understand American politics.
>>2243678
>Oh boo fucking hoo.
Glad you admit that you don't give a shit about children.

>>2243951
as if birth defects negate biology

>>2243951
Trannies are intersex?

>>2244059
no, but they like to pretend they are

>>2243830
Female hormones actually stop balding and can even reverse it in some lucky events

>>2243951
Trannies don't even have the mutated biology leg to stand on. They are literally just schizos.

>>2243966
I'm not him but trannies have always had a distinction between performative gender and biological gender. Appearance and behavior ultimately matter more than something like chromosomes which are invisible and abstract though it's up to you if you think that holds weight. Personally I'm apathetic and just want this thread to get nuked already

>>2243980
>No, my point is you're conflating the left with democrats, because you're an idiot and don't understand American politics.
I thought it might be something like that, but ultimately you "Pelosi is right wing" commies fall into the same bucket. The left includes you and it includes the democratic establishment. You don't get to define everyone to the right of your extreme left views as right, and you only do so really to claim neither party's actions can be in any way linked to you (but 100 million deaths can be)

I don't care if you're too much of a commie to consider yourself aligned with democrats. This doesn't change that:
>I don't support killing children overseas
>I don't support the left abusing children and don't dismiss it because it's "soccer mom shit" (while you do)
>The kind of scenario I outlined actually does happen and is embraced by Democrats and commies alike

>>2243951
Using intersex people to claim humans are not sexually dimorphic is like using polydactylism to claim "humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes" is a false statement. The existence of rare genetic disorders does not disprove what is the generalized truth for 99.9% of the population.

>>2243659
Humans literally are animals. Not in a metaphorical "Haha people bad" way. We are part of the animal kingdom and making exceptions for us in the name of feelings is anti-science.

>>2244236
>if you are left of democrats you're a communist
Continuing to ignore the opinions of a person this blatantly misinformed about American politics.

>It's a porn stream, you decide to dress up as a chuuba
>which one?

>>2240371
How exactly do a parent and child discover Hololive? Its exactly outside the demographic of both literal children and adults with kids

>>2243980
>b-but you don't care so I'm allowed to be immoral
People don't care about women's sports but that doesn't mean it isn't an injustice to ruin it for people who do care about it and who dedicate their lives to it

Let's say tomorrow the government decided to tax all people who play waterpolo 100% and also imprison them for 5 days after any waterpolo game. I really don't give a shit about water polo but do you think this would stop me from speaking out about the injustice?

>>2244320
We're animals but we don't treat or classify every animal the same way, an Angler Fish has a very different concept of gender and sexual reproduction than an Ape. It's not anti science to presuppose that the human brain is sufficiently complex enough and our social dynamics different enough to warrant separate evaluation from the way we typically view animals.

>>2244479
>>b-but you don't care so I'm allowed to be immoral
Not my argument, learn how to read.

>>2244315
Biological sex is more complex than stuff like ‘someone was born with xx or xy chromosomes and that’s the end of it’; hormones also play a factor in what sex someone is and how their actual body behaves. The introduction of estrogen into one’s body, for example, changes the expression of the cells in said body until said cells work in a way closer to feminine than masculine
>all this shit about ‘wah puberty blockers bad’ in this thread
Generally kids don’t take puberty blockers until 12 or 13, and they don’t actually have any adverse effects other than, well, blocking puberty. If you want to talk about ‘consent,’ then no child has ever in history given consent for their biological sex’s hormones to be used. If you really cared about consent as much as you say, you would want biological sex destroyed altogether

>>2240371
Are you sure that's not the real Gura?

>>2243966
Funnily enough, christians are starting to use that angle to try reaching to trans
>You're arguing for an almost metaphysical "female" substance,
Essentially a soul, really. If you're trans you basically HAVE to stand on that argument, otherwise they'd have to admit they're mentally ill. (Which they are.)

>>2244382
If you're trying to claim the democrats are not left, you're probably a communist or a communist by another name and nobody cares about the tiny distinctions you make amongst yourselves, just like nobody cares if someone calls themselves an "ethnonationalist" or "white nationalist"

>b-but you don't make distinctions between whackjob leftist sect A and lightly more left sect B so that means I can safely ignore that my ideology abuses children. Muh western imperialism

>>2244569
no, Gura is a swedish philipino from latinomerica living somewhere between Texas and Ohio

>>2244641
>If you're trying to claim the democrats are not left
They are not, I hope to fuck you're european so that you have an excuse for being this hilariously ignorant.

>>2244653
dios mio...

>>2243966
Gender is not metaphysical but it is mental and emergent (just as sexuality is not inherent but something you shouldn’t mess with anyway because it causes noticeable harm to the people you do mess with with regards to it), and transitioning causes no harm in those people who are accepted and supported (before you bring up the ‘41%’ figure the article that talks about that literally fucking supports that trans people who are supported tend to decrease in suicide attempts), in fact helping said people - as long as the healthcare they get is actually good; most of today’s surgery is kinda shit so people are waiting for it to get better

>>2244641
Not him but can you post proof of the democrats stealing children away from their parents to forcibly turn them trans?

>>2242071
It happened the year before last in Texas.
Father finally got custody.
You commie faggot.

>>2244565
>no child has ever in history given consent for their biological sex’s hormones to be used
Consent only applies to affirmative acts done to you by other people, you can't "consent" to the natural effects of your own body in the same way you can to a doctor giving you a drug. You wouldn't get away with forcibly giving all adult men finasteride by saying "uhh, well it's not like they were consenting to go bald from their own hormones either."

>>2244680
That person is probably talking about a case where a kid said that they were trans, while one parent lied and said ‘oh this kid is not actually trans my spouse taught them that’ and was generally a piece of garbage while the other parent supported them, and the court ruled on the side of the supportive one

I don't care what your gender pseudoscience bullshit says
I don't care how close you are to looking and sounding like whatever gender you think you are
If you're a tranny you get electro shock therapy or a bullet

>>2244565
> and they don’t actually have any adverse effects other than, well, blocking puberty
About that...
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/growing-pains

Epic child abuse thread

>>2244219
>chromosomes are abstract

>>2244764
based

>>2244765
I too can link websites Anon
https://pharma.nridigital.com/pharma_sept20/puberty_blockers_transgender_children

>>2244838
You cannot see touch or feel chromosomes, they have no physical presence. Unless you're planning on plucking skin samples from every human you see and putting them under an electron microscope, as a method of evaluation they are abstract, unquantifiable. Are we ogey now?

>>2244942
thats the dumbest fucking post I have seen on this board to date, and that's counting all the made up retarded rrats and incomprehensible ESL indoog shouting

>>2244942
>see
Yes you can.

>>2244942
Oh to add on to what this anon is saying: there are actually cases where after birth, someone’s chromosomes have changed entirely:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dna-bone-marrow-transplant-man-chimera-chris-long-forensic-science-police-a9238636.html

>>2244972
Okay, let me make it eeeven simpler. Feelings are abstract, they cannot be measured but they are real. Similarly chromosomes are real but they cannot be measured, again, unless you pluck skin samples from every person you see and put them under an electron microscope.

>>2245011
>>2244972

>>2244565
>and they don’t actually have any adverse effects other than, well, blocking puberty.
That's, well, a lie and - well - even if it wasn't a lie; well; it wouldn't change the fact that you psychologically abused the child throughout, well, their entire childhood and adolescence until somebody decided (or the government mandated) that it was, well, enough.

>Child at 5 likes a doll
>Parent convinces them they're a girl
>raised as a girl from 5-12
>puberty blockers at 13
>lacks hormones that would alter feelings
>given estrogen
>feels even more like a girl
>continues until 17 when they change their mind
>off puberty blockers at 17
>12 years of psychological and chemical abuse
Well, I'm sure that had no negative impact whatsoever. But we should boycott all pieces of media that doesn't depict gender exactly the way I want - those are harmful.

In reality they probably never change their mind because as they teetered over the line you pushed them over it and dragged them to the opposite wall. You have no idea what might have happened had you not interfered and a child can't make that decision for their future

>If you really cared about consent as much as you say, you would want biological sex destroyed altogether
Yes, let's just chemically toy with children until they resemble the genderless blob of your ideal because gender is oppressive and if we can't have 50% men 50% women in every single profession and position of power, we can at least have the unified gender

Maybe you can try this again in the dystopian future where we 100% understand the human mind and biology and all the implications of our actions and engineer ourselves into genetic freaks specialized however we please. We're not there yet

ah yes, the virtual youtuber discussions

>>2245033
not-an-argument.jpeg

>>2245057
We do this every day. It's board culture, you wouldn't get it. /vt/ was a mistake

>>2244756
"piece of garbage" here defined as anyone not supporting leftist gender ideology

>>2245058
your basic understanding is flawed, until you fix that there is no argument to be made

>>2245089
Trannies were a mistake you mean

>>2245107
Saying its flawed is not an argument either. Please, tell me how its flawed.

>>2245044
>That's, well, a lie and - well - even if it wasn't a lie; well; it wouldn't change the fact that you psychologically abused the child throughout, well, their entire childhood and adolescence until somebody decided (or the government mandated) that it was, well, enough.
Generally most children decide their own gender identity at about 5, and most of the time, children who are forced by their own parents and/or family to change their identity if they don’t want to - like for example, David Reimer - tend to end up extremely unhappy and depressed, whereas children who actually choose to transition on their own tend to end up happy. Any parent who tells someone what they are is an absolutely shitty person - instead, parents should ask what their children want to be and accept what they want to be, even if those children do end up changing their minds.

>>2245128
well for one, you are indeed fucking retarded and mentally ill

>>2244219
Such a distinction is completely made up. By that reasoning, a tranny would be pretty much admitting to not actually being a woman, but merely "acting" like one. However, they claim to actually BE women "on the inside"; my point is, that doesn't even make any sense, since their brain is as much of a male organ as their balls are.
They may believe they're women, they may even "feel" like they're women, but all it amounts to is a reality test failure.

>>2244673
Gender and sex are indistinct. Anyone who "identifies" as the opposite gender has a delusional belief. There is absolutely no organic process which can be linked to such an "identification", and all arguments to the contrary are pseudo-scientific, and often pure wishful thinking.
>if we all go along with someone's delusions, they'll feel better about themselves!
No shit.

>>2244565
Hormones do not change or even influence your biological sex, they only enhance or inhibit sexual trait expression. You could have zero testosterone and still be a biological male.
Also there is no such thing as "consenting" to puberty inasmuch as you can't "consent" to aging. Such a false equivalence is absurd.

For all your ostensible knowledge, I bet you've never so much as looked at a physiology textbook.

>>2244942
Every single mature trait in your body is the result of the genetic expression of your chromosomes. You don't need a single sample from someone to guess their sexual karyotype, merely looking at them will suffice.

>>2245145
Your the one wasting time arguing with a mentally ill retard so I think that says more about you then it does about me. Still not an argument though.

>>2245181
>yes I am a mentally ill tranny
thank you, now we can all agree that your posts were some delusional ramblings

>>2244920
Blocking puberty is itself an effect just as profound as puberty to begin with, and you're taking on a huge moral responsibility by doing so. If a child grows up naturally and, as an adult, realizes he/she has gender dysphoria and chooses to transition or take any other course, that's unfortunate or even tragic, but no one's fault. Like any disorder it's an act of God/nature and the best we can do is try to mitigate the consequences.

If on the other hand *you* decide to give your child hormone blockers based on your subjective belief that he/she will choose to live out life as a gender other than his/her apparent birth sex, you are now personally responsible if it turns out you're wrong, and if they later decide they were fine with their birth sex than you have *inflicted* years of gender dysphoria and likely social trauma on them by delaying their development far behind their peers or even permanently altering it. The choice to give a child puberty blockers is fundamentally different than choosing *not* to do so and is imo dangerous and irresponsible. There are people who suffer other kinds of body dysphoria and choose to amputate other body parts as adults too, that doesn't justify doing such surgeries on children.

>>2245204
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Personally I could sleep better if you provided some arguments because I am lacking a few vital ones. Clarification is the core of human communication, I've explained myself, it's only good manners to at least explain yourself.

so far this thread thought me that trannies are mentally ill abused pedos
and their apologists are even more deranged

>>2245248
I explained that your delusional ramblings make no sense, so there is no counter argument to be made, because you are the one going against established axioms
your feelings are not arguments

>>2242203
Unlike you I actually give a shit about what sort of world I'm hopefully going to grow old in. A world that treats up and down as right and left, and where you're controlled through fear into refering to and treating an obvious man as a woman - including the pronouns and pathological obsession with group identity politics - is a world that has had it's soul sucked right out of it.

>>2244661
You don't understand that I incorporate your "pelosi is far right" logic into my thinking and it doesn't change my mind at all. It's merely technicality whether we call them left or center or right and only serves as a point of reference for other groups. If 99% of people are "right wing" in a political system then actually it's more practical to define left and center and right so that that 99% is distributed over those definitions more equally.

Call pelosi extreme hard ultra far right if you want, and the Republicans far hard ultra extreme mega right. This doesn't change that Pelosi and you share the same gender ideology that's being argued against. And when I say "the left is less critical of Biden's border situation" I don't mean "that tiny group consisting solely of some commie on 4chan plus AOC and a few antifa guys, because everyone else is center or right". I mean "the more left leaning half of the population"

You retard

>>2245337
>being nice to people and doing what people want me to do is literally sucking out the soul of the world
Okay TERF

>>2245337
Nothing that I said forbade you from misgendering people. If that's what you want to do then please, go ahead.

>>2245353
>It's merely technicality whether we call them left or center or right and only serves as a point of reference for other groups.
Please take an online poli sci class. Literally just an introductory one will probably do the job. Democrats are moderates at best, centre-right at worst. Compare them to literally any progressive party in any other developed country and they are explicitly, undeniably not left leaning.

>>2245265
You cannot see chromosomes. This is fact, not feeling. They are too small, literally tiny. Their is nothing delusional or paradigm breaking about this.

>>2245376
dude, bro
you will never be a woman

>>2245011
>something is abstract because you cannot perceive it unless you use specific tools
So Pluto is also abstract because I can't see it without a good telescope? Like >>2245107 said your logic is flawed and sounds more like cope desu

>>2240694
You fucking retard, the OP image is a fucking edit, the ''trans'' part was added to rile up schizos like (you).

>>2245431
but you CAN see them
maybe you should have finished high school, bro
just basic biology class, not even advanced one, the basic biology

>>2245412
I have an entire degree in political science and that anon is closer to correct than you are. Ultimately "left/right" is relative within a given political system, and what you would like to call the objective/universal "left" didn't even exist a few hundred years ago. They are general terms of convenience/reference that change over timer and should be used as such; if you want to refer to a concrete, objective ideology use any one of dozens of such terms instead.

>>2245376
Yes it is. People have the right to be assholes. The measure of someone's respectability is how much they choose, as opposed to being forced, not to.

>>2240304
>damn that’s an ugly kid
>zoom in to OP’s potato image
>trans daughter
What the fuck man
Why do people do this and celebrate it
It’s literally child abuse

>>2245138
>instead, parents should ask what their children want to be and accept what they want to be
No, they shouldn't because children are retarded and can't decide for themselves. They need to be protected from their own retardation for their survival and their well being. This doesn't mean you should force your boy to do sport and play with trucks and dress up only ever in dress shirts and slacks with a tie. But how about not chemically blocking their puberty for a start?

You simply don't understand these processes and nobody does. Try again in the dystopian future where you at least have the information to bank up your decisions, even if that doesn't remove the moral dilemma.

You're playing with lives because it your mental masturbation where instead of being biological animals, humans are ideal manifestations of the mind

>>2245376
Being a TERF=being a normal person

>>2245376
>being nice and doing what people want me to do
That's always the way you freaks try to reframe it. This sort of inauthentic niceness is called being an unthinking doormat and an enabler of shit things. It's not nice at all.
>>2245400
Nothing that you said could, but I'm willing to bet you'd be more than comfortable if in a situation where I did "misgender" I'd be punished for it. In a culture that promotes values that by chilling effect stop misgendering.

>>2245469
Look, just because I didn't add the stipulation that you need a microscope this time doesn't mean you can just bend my point. I thought we were civil.

>>2245457
That's a perfect example, and maybe abstract is too weird of a word to use but you cannot point into the sky and objectively say what you're pointing at is pluto unless you have a telescope to confirm it.

>>2245552
They're not trans, they're just ugly. Op edited the thumbnail.

>>2245558
>>instead, parents should ask what their children want to be and accept what they want to be
>lets let children vote too
>drinking age? who cares
>ye your child looked like hes interested in my child? lets marry them right now

>>2245251
I’ve learned there are far too many trannies on this board, probably responsible for many retarded takes I’ve seen here

>>2245376
Feminists are possibly almost as bad as trannies. You both can burn in hell.

>>2245596
what fucking point?
your points is some retarded blabbering not based on anything but your own stupidity

>>2245469
Basic biology is reductive and doesn’t actually call out how as a matter of fact, there are many different sex changes in creatures in nature
Fucking Jurassic Park gets this more right than people on 4chan, since in it it talks about how frogs can choose to change their sex in order to make sure they don’t go extinct; that’s also the case with Clownfish and many other animals.
Even despite that being the case, ‘man’ and ‘woman’ aren’t really categories that you can just say are immutable, and I see no issue if one who is said to be in the ‘man’ category decides to change and be in the ‘woman’ one for a bit, since it’s not like men and women are literal different species

>>2245631
>humans are just like jurasic park dinosaurs
do you even read what you type?

>>2245581
>Nothing that you said could, but I'm willing to bet you'd be more than comfortable if in a situation where I did "misgender" I'd be punished for it. In a culture that promotes values that by chilling effect stop misgendering.
I don't know why you're projecting some weird preconception onto me, I believe in personal freedom above all else, your freedom to call someone a man, and their freedom to chop their dick off. It's fair game in my eyes.

>>2245601
Wow, what a faggot

>>2245575
no, because a TERF is still an RF which isn't normal.

>>2245631
Species like frogs and worms don’t need tons of drugs and surgeries to change their sex lol, they do it NATURALLY unlike trannies who literally have to fight their own body to turn into some ugly abomination

>>2245628
No, you don't understand, we've been stooping in this chromosome shit for too long. My original point was that how you look is going to determine how people treat you moreso than chromosomes because you cannot look at someone and identify chromosomes. I'm so tired.

>>2245615
autism and transgenderism have a strong correlation so it checks out.

Don't believe me? Look at the speedrunning community lol

>>2245700
>look at a tranny
>you instantly know it's a tranny
happy?

>>2245631
You're neither a frog nor a clownfish.
Filial cannibalism is a thing that happens in nature too, should we be ok with parents eating their babies then? It happens in nature, therefore it's ok, right?

>>2243830
>>2244114
They added the trans bit because it's really easy to bait retards like you into reacting to it. The original thread is just talking about their daughter, no mention of being trans.

>>2245558
Children aren’t as stupid as you think, you dumbass
If you walked up to a kid and asked if they were a boy or a girl, generally they would tell you what they are, and if you asked what they liked they would tell you they have specific interests; children form a self-identity by the age of five, and most of those self-identities match their assigned sex at birth but some don’t
Also, chemically blocking puberty doesn’t happen for like more than a year at a time; generally, puberty blockers only tend to be used for a very short amount of time because of such issues that could potentially crop up
>>2245581
>being nice is actually being a doormat
Okay now I can just tell you’re being legitimately braindead here; if something is not harming someone else (and not in the fucking braindead way that’s like ‘oh no, it harms me to call this person something they want to be called because I feel like they’re wrong) then there is no reason not to accept it and vent out your uncomfortableness to other people
Consider the fact that we’re on a board about people presenting themselves literally exactly how they want to to a greater community and finding acceptance within it

>>2245700
Yeah well when I look at a tranny I treat them as whatever gender they look like, which usually isn’t what they want me to think

>>2245138
>My son doesn't perfectly conform to gender norms so he must be one of those special ones who was born the wrong gender
Transgenderism is solely a cope against feminine men and masculine women. Discovering your gender identity is a completely meaningless time waste that in some cases can lead to permanently warping the body and mind in order to look like something you will never be.

>>2245717
Look, I don't have any pictures, but I'm sure female passing trannys exist, I will however agree to disagree because this is going nowhere.

>>2245788
That is your prerogative.

>>2245518
>Ultimately "left/right" is relative within a given political system
And relative to the American political system, democrats still aren't left leaning. And even if they were, they're still able to be less left leaning than a libertarian socialist or an anarcho communist, meaning somebody who aligns with one left-leaning idea like supporting lgbt rights may not align with democrats wholesale. This is all to say his attempted gotcha at pointing out how shit Biden's immigration policies falls flat because, as someone who is more left leaning than democrats are (because they aren't), I think Biden's immigration policies are shit.

He wasted over an hour of our time squabbling over this when he could have avoided it by simply understanding that left and democrat are not synonymous, but here we are.

>>2245781
You’re fucking insane If you think it’s okay to permanently alter the body of a child on their own idiotic whim
When I was a kid I wanted a cyborg gun arm, should my parents have cut off my arm to be replaced in the future? Kids don’t have the capacity to decide shit that early, things change

Man, one anon edits an image every so slighty to include the word trans and the entire thread switches over to talking about transfolk. They really do live rent-free in your heads. At least pretend to check out the thread or image you're getting upset about.

>>2245832
doesn't make them a woman
a man cannot become a woman, simple as
>>2245908
you will never be a woman artemis

>>2245431
Use a fucking microscope, retard

>>2245810
Let me redpill you on something, Anon: Women and men don’t really exist outside of human minds
You’re just some fleshy thing with a spear on their crotch that carries the thing that goes inside of the fleshy thing with the hole in their crotch, and the reason that these two are even considered different categories is because some people decided ‘oh hey these ones seem different from me, let’s change them totally’
In the end though, none of this matters because you are not the fleshy blob, you are the thing inside the fleshy blob controlling its actions, and if you want the fleshy blob to be different you can make it different

>>2245845
>He wasted over an hour of our time squabbling over this
Seems like you did as well; my point is any argument about who is or isn't "left leaning" is a waste of time because there is no true objective definition of it. You can have a serious discussion about who is or isn't socialist, liberal, etc., but not "left" in a general sense, especially on an anonymous board where posters may be from any number of countries with different conceptions of it.

>>2245922
I never once said they could become a woman, those are words you have put in my mouth.

>>2245927
Yeah sure, I carry an electron microscope wherever I go. Just in case.

>>2245962
>Let me redpill you on something, Anon: Women and men don’t really exist outside of human minds
biology

>>2245781
Controlling language is a powerful thing. If you're put in a position where acting in a progressive way and using awkward progressive language is the only viable option, it doesn't matter what you stand for, or believe in principle. You've in practice at least been forced into becoming a progressive retard.

>>2245875
>using a pic of David Reimer
Even people who support trans people agree that this was a fucking tragedy and John Money is a piece of shit Anon
I don’t see your argument when David Reimer was literally given traumatic genital surgery as a baby and his parents were told to raise him as a woman when he was always a man; any trans supporter will agree that you cannot choose someone else’s identity and that they can be the only one to find it

>>2245781
>Children aren’t as stupid as you think
They are and having lived the first 18 years of my life as a child, I happen to be an expert on the subject

Children can maybe tell you their gender. They also can't separate themselves from the influence of a mom who says "some girls have penises and I would love any girl of mine even if she had a penis". They also can't tell you how they'll feel 5 years from now m, or 10, or 15. They can't tell you whether they'll be happier in the long if you give them puberty blockers or if you don't and neither can you. But how about not drastically altering their development in ways we don't understand with the assumption that it's much more likely that the natural growth process they're going to go through without that intervention is more conducive to their survival

Leftists are arrogant and think they know better than nature. They generally don't. You shouldn't engineer your child like this just like you shouldn't try to engineer society to make nurses 50% male and 50% female

>>2245962
>In the end though, none of this matters because you are not the fleshy blob
Except you are literally the fleshy blob. If I ran a spear through that blob, you would cease to exist very quickly, mind being the blob or not.

>>2246035
God, please run a spear through my fleshy blob

>>2245908
You will never be a real woman
Real women laugh at you behind your back
Because it’s painfully obvious to everyone that you are just a mentally ill weirdo
Go ahead and stare at yourself in the mirror for a few seconds and you’ll see

>>2246057
Sorry, not into trannies.

>>2245962
yeah, and if you aren't careful and introduce foreign drugs to that fleshly blob that it hasn't evolved for and that disturb its development, you might kill it or make it kill itself

>>2246035
That’s because the rest of the fleshy blob supports the floating goo that is your brain and keeps it alive
If a brain was able to be put into a jar and kept alive, that would be the person, not the body it was taken out of

>>2243483
you were born a man, you live life as a failed man and you will die as a man

>>2246090
You're the one who took it sexually, I was being literal. I'm also not a tranny but its not like it matters at this point.

>>2246094
Hormones don’t cause that
Non-acceptance causes that
Even the ‘41%’ study says that, and that’s the whole point of the study; that people with more acceptance are less likely to attempt suicidal actions

>>2246102
Correct, your brain cannot exist on its own. Your body is you, and your mind is just an extension of the construct that is your body.
>If a brain was able to be put into a jar and kept alive
And this is not possible, nor a desirable existence.

>>2246151
How do you know it’s not possible, Anon?

>>2240396
This is how you know that you are not autistic (by mongolian horse back archery board standards). I usually grab the image hotlink from a page (using F12 if necessary) and crop a few pixels so the MD5 is different from any "identical" picture someone might have directly saved from a page. I also rename it using only alphabetical characters so there is no way to derive where it was taken from.
At least the thread got some posts after derailing, even though it is not quite what you wanted.
>>2240831
pic related is faster, less expensive, and less morally questionable than grooming your gf into a chuuba LARPer.

>>2246171
It's been tried before and fails every time. Feel free to volunteer for the next attempt, though.

>>2246140
>Non-acceptance causes that
Ah yes, the non-acceptance, because if we all throw up our arms and join in the collective sexual fetishism of AGP retards they'll stop offing themselves when they wake up with 5 oclock shadow and have male pattern baldness

>>2245962
No the red pill is that human beings are sexually dimorphic and have evolved through many tens of thousands of years to enable the division of labour. You people like to think that everything is a social construct that you can deprogram with enough Marxist lectures, but most if it is very very hard wired.

>>2246076
>>2245922
it's ok to admit you got tricked by an image edit anon. I'm sure your outrage will be much more genuine next time someone edits the word trans onto an image.

Why havent mods deleted this thread

>>2246172
but not as good

>>2246236
They never do. We have a thread like this every day. It always stays up until it gets archived.

>>2246236
the mods are trannies

>>2246228
seems like you are trying to cope real hard right now
maybe next time you can be born as the gender you wished

>>2246251
If the mods are trannies, they would have deleted this thread. Looks like the trannies are getting BTFO right and left.

>>2246251
The thread is anti tranny though.

>>2245962
>uhh, even being "human" is a social construct bro
>you're just a brain in a flesh prison bro, it doesn't really matter if you have a penis, or arms or legs, or can see and smell and taste, it would be pretty much the same if you were a brain in a jar
Fucking nihilists.

>>2246269
trannies live for attention, they would rather be hated than ignored

>>2246236
Not sure but it is pretty funny watching anons sperg out about their imaginary foe.

>>2246140
What other group needs 100% validation of their super special identity/fetish/etc. to avoid killing themselves in droves? Why are these failed males worth reshaping society into a dystopian hellhole over?

>>2245962
That is without a doubt the most retarded thing I've read in this board. I'm only not mad because I know you're a braindead teenager.

>>2246269
Wish trannies were getting BTFO in real life, of you know what I mean.

>>2246389
they are, everywhere
they only have internet safe spaces to fall back to

Can't the trannies and the trump guys just kiss and call a truce or something? Surely we've had enough of the same thread over and over again.

>>2245984
>Seems like you did as well
Sure, it takes two to tango.
>my point is any argument about who is or isn't "left leaning" is a waste of time because there is no true objective definition of it
If the goal of general terms like "left" and "right" are to roughly outline the material goals of each respective "side", then saying democrats are not left relative to American "leftists" is perfectly acceptable. It's a fine substitution for actually understanding the differences between actual political alignments like libertarian socialist, social democrat, etc. etc.

That being said, there's literally zero definition of "leftist" that would suggest they're on board with the political maneuverings of the modern democratic party because several of their policies and platforms are strictly distanced from the left end of the political spectrum. It's not a "waste of time" to say the modern democratic party isn't left leaning, because it literally isn't. What IS a waste of time is assuming a person who, say, supports lgbt rights, also supports the entirety of the democratic party and its platforms.
>You can have a serious discussion about who is or isn't socialist, liberal, etc., but not "left" in a general sense
So maybe we can redirect attention onto the fact that he pegged me as belonging to one of two concrete groups: either a staunch democrat or a fringe communist (while unironically using the word "commie").

Any notion that you aren't allowed to define the ideologies and platforms of a party as being right because they're relatively less-right than the most right-leaning option is a false dilemma. You're essentially suggesting that any American who aligns with left-leaning ideologies should just move to another country because they'll be pegged as a rambling schizophrenic by the majority of Americans if they bring up their political views, and furthermore, you're suggesting that America's two main parties moving increasingly to the right is just a thing that the entire planet should accept and that "left" in America will always just mean "whatever is slightly less republican than a republican". This isn't true in theory or in practice, full stop.

>>2246437
Only if trannies agree to kill themselves. None of this 41% insurance, I want 100%.

>>2246336
"I'm not insane but if you call me a man I WILL kill myself"

>>2246486
That seems a bit extreme.

>>2246242
I have no experience with either, but I'd take a guess that someone who is paid to RP gura could do it better than any of my friends who wouldn't ask for money for it. Unless you really want her for the long run, in which case I wish you the best of luck finding someone obsessed enough with being a chuuba all day I mean I would certainly love to cosplay Gura but I am not female , and if you found her, I would tell you not to stick your dick in crazy though I couldn't blame you for doing so anyway .

>>2245845
No, you spent an hour ignoring my argument because you wanted to posture over being more left wing than democrats. You literally said you were ignoring my posts.

From the moment you started that posturing I accepted that maybe you do personally criticize Biden but that was completely tangential to what was being discussed. Because I've encountered the same thing from many fringe lefties. You probably blame everything bad that happens south of the border on le imperialism anyway, so it's pointless to discuss that with you. And this itself entirely a deflection from you over your gender idology being harmful but you not caring

What actually happened:
Me: Leftist gender ideology bad for children because of this scenario
You: Yeah so what you don't even care about children because you don't agree with my diagnosis of the causes and the solution and where the blame lies in the border situation
Me: left wing is less critical of Biden
You: no, everyone right of me isn't left and I won't read your posts beyond the first sentence because you think otherwise
Me: I don't care that you won't label democrats left, you're merely taking an interpretation of what I said that I didn't intend and disagreeing with it because of your own group's definitions and it's irrelevant to my arguments

In America, it's literally only a tiny fraction that don't consider the democrats to be left leaning. Republicans see them as left wing. They see themselves as left wing. Only you and your various fringe groups see them as right, when you're 5%-10% of the population. That's not a useful definition. Why should we define the spectrum of American politics such that right wing is 90-95% of the spectrum and left is only your tiny group that we only ever mention in exactly this argument where you object to being grouped together?

>>2246522
Yeah well, I've had enough.

>>2246600
I mean, I'm all for violence but you have to kill each other in real life. Arguing on the internet accomplishes very little.

>>2246442
How about "I'm more left wing than the democrats" rather than "The democrats aren't left wing because I'm more left wing than them and so are these European leftists who have no bearing on our politics but I would like it if they did"

>>2246486
agreed

>>2246442
>You're essentially suggesting that any American who aligns with left-leaning ideologies should just move to another country
No, I'm suggesting that as a matter of convenience most people in a two-party system are going to refer to one party as "left" and the other as "right" as long as there's any appreciable difference between the two, even if both are in fact relatively left or right in the grand scheme of things. You're in for a lifetime of frustration if you want to try to convince people to stop doing that forever instead of just identifying yourself as "progressive" or whatever term actually defines your views in a way most people will understand.

Dying on this hill is like calling yourself a "football" fan in USA when you actually mean what Americans call soccer, knowing full well this is going to confuse everyone you encounter in your day-to-day life and explaining that "ackshually most of the world calls it football" every time it inevitably happens.

>>2246560
>posture over being more left wing than democrats
I wasn't posturing. I was stating a fact that I do not politically align with democrats.
>You literally said you were ignoring my posts.
I sure did. Maybe next time don't use the "Biden's immigration policies are bad too lol gottem" gotcha because it's literally high school debate club levels of bad.
>In America, it's literally only a tiny fraction that don't consider the democrats to be left leaning. Republicans see them as left wing.
Political systems and political theory outside of modern America exist, you know.
>Why should we define the spectrum of American politics such that right wing is 90-95% of the spectrum and left is only your tiny group that we only ever mention in exactly this argument where you object to being grouped together?
Because if you don't do that, then you're basically conceding that America's bipartisan system could incrementally move so far to the right that a "leftist" no longer has any choice for proper representation of their ideals and therefore will just have to leave the country to feel like their ideology is recognized? Oh, wait, that's already happening.

By the way, I've never actually said I agree with giving children hormone blockers. So on top of assuming that I'm a staunch democrat who loves imperialism when the blue guys do it, you assumed I think it's okay to give children hormone blockers.

I said that people who are against giving children hormone blockers because they claim to care about kids are bullshitting because they don't care about the state drone striking kids or separating kids at the border.

>>2246633
>"The democrats aren't left wing because I'm more left wing than them and so are these European leftists who have no bearing on our politics but I would like it if they did"
It's more like "Democrats aren't left wing because I've read a single shred of theory and it's clear as day that they have virtually nothing in common with leftist ideology", but sure, I'm happy to pay lip service to someone who thinks American politics are the only ones that matter if it means he won't get his fucking panties in a bunch and call me a commie for an hour.

>>2246725
>You're in for a lifetime of frustration if you want to try to convince people to stop doing that forever instead of just identifying yourself as "progressive" or whatever term actually defines your views in a way most people will understand.
No, I'm in for a lifetime of frustration because I'm arguing about politics on 4chan with a guy who says "commie" unironically.

Just because it's an exercise of frustration to try to inform Americans that politics extend far beyond their two party system doesn't mean I'm not going to do it. Anything else would mean I just accept that my ideals will never be represented here and I should just move to Sweden.

>Dying on this hill is like calling yourself a "football" fan in USA when you actually mean what Americans call soccer
This is an unimaginably stupid analogy.

>>2246725
This is true, as both conservatism and liberalism are both right ideologies
"Far left" in this case would be socialism and such

>>2240577
>this is why you actually said

>>2241485
Crashing this thread with no survivors

>>2246835
*thread sounds*

>>2240371

If the parents were going to buy an entire dress, why didn't they get a blue wig too?

>>2246835
Obviously you'll never get the face right moving from 2D to 3DPD but this is pretty good cosplay and I would love to be friendzoned by this friend

>>2246560
I'm not him and I don't want to get into protracted arguments but is one case that was resolved peacefully (as far as I know) enough to indict the entire system? It's a statistically tiny fraction of a percentage and if the process of hormone therapy is reversible then I only see a world with less weirdo late transitioners and more passing trannys which seems like an improvement no matter which way side stand on the tranny question.

>>2246773
>to try to inform Americans that politics extend far beyond their two party system
But you can do this without starting endless circular debates about what the "real" left is by instead using a concrete term like "anarcho-syndicalist" or whatever and then arguing for those views and why you think they should be more accepted, that they're common elsewhere, etc. You're not doing yourself any favors by knowingly entering a discussion with a different definition of your own ideology than the guy you're talking to, and it's foolish to do so when there are easily accessible terms everyone can agree on.

>>2240903
Legendary. Mad props to the callgirl for being a consumate professional.

>>2246729
>gotcha because it's literally high school debate club levels of bad
It was literally a single throwaway sentence preface to my post.

Your argument was "well yeah it's immoral and involves children but it's probably hypothetical and you're making it up because my ideological blind spot means I don't see news about the cases where this happens but how about this other immoral situation involving children huh bet you don't care about that". That doesn't deserve what I gave it. I also wouldn't denigrate the intellectual capabilities of high school students when you want children to have authority decide their gender and stop their development

Even if I was perfectly fine with children being slaughtered wholesale at the border after we pay coyotes to send them to us so we can kill more hispanics and get meat for our dogs, this wouldn't alleviate the moral failing of your ideology. You'd just be saying "well yeah it's bad and I'm not going to fix it but other people bad too so there"

>>2246935
Not a bad point, although in my experience it's a lot more expedient to just generalize the notion of "left" than it is to go into the details of individual ideologies when you're talking to someone who has little to no investment in politics. This is, of course, assuming you're talking to someone who's discussing the topic with you in good faith and isn't just looking to win an argument on the internet. So you're probably correct insofar as I should just use concrete terms when talking with some retard on 4chan calling me a "commie". I could also just not respond to posts by people calling me a "commie".

Why cant amerisharts stop being baited by internet politics?

>>2246442
Based effortposter has the more convincing wall of text. That said, I have no stake in this (non-US, too cynical to vote) and no theory to back up what I think, but it's still important which party represents which political camps in an indirect/representative democracy. A non-accelerationist who supports lgbt rights will be partial to democrats simply because they expect better treatment of lgbt rights. This still boils down to voting "whatever is slightly less republican than a republican", but it does mean that leftists will vote dems in practice (again, if they vote at all). I can appreciate what you are purporting to do here >>2246773 since I think a lot of cynicism about the state of US politics comes from lacking representation of "real left" and other camps, but on the level of depth (or lack thereof) most people think about politics, your attempts to be precise in your language don't help deciding who to vote or (more importantly) what to do besides that.

>>2247064
I have a dissertation I need to write and I would literally rather do anything else including argue about pointless bullshit. I'm sorry, I'm a bad person, please forgive me.

>>2246729
>I've never actually said I agree with giving children hormone blockers.
So you're against hormone blockers because.....?

Because if you claim it's because you care about kids, you're bullshitting because you don't care about the state drone striking kids or separating kids at the border.

>>2247111
Take meds.

>>2247125
Haachama wouldn't approve.

>>2247025
>It was literally a single throwaway sentence preface to my post.
Well, it's a pretty fucking terrible way to lead an argument, so don't do that next time.
>Your argument was
One more time: my argument was that claiming you care about children, and therefore you don't support children being put on hormone blockers at their request, does not hold water unless you are also against our immigration policies and imperialist military maneuvers. If you tell me now that you're firmly against America drone striking kids and having shit immigration policies, I'm happy to take the L (because it's not an L and we're in complete agreement on all fronts).
>when you want children to have authority decide their gender and stop their development
I just said I don't think children should have access to hormone blockers bro.
>>2247111
>you're bullshitting because you don't care about the state drone striking kids or separating kids at the border.
Wow, nice gotcha/falseflag. The problem is I do care about those things. Oops.

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>>2247111
Yes anon, I don't give a shit about other kids or state of other nations, I care about kids in my country and I want what's best for it, because it's my country
Globohomo like you could never understand it

>>2247028
>leftist never states his own ideology because that would open himself up to criticism, but assures he identifies with neither political party nor commies so he can be critical of everyone else

Sasuga fencesitters, trannies and midwits. Just delete this thread.

>>2247192
Nation states are a modern invention and are too large to have any real meaningful connection to. You are living a lie, a tribeless man in a tribeless world clinging to a lost past. You can only live as an individual for the individual, that is the world that we live in.

Why can't we all just agree that trans rights are stupid and leave it at that?

>>2247266
guh just legalize murder of trans women then you fucking bigot
I literally cant even at this comment

>>2247289
Trans rights is a political movement not an actual system of rights.

>>2247266
>Why can't we all just agree that trans rights are stupid and leave it at that?
The only reason why is because trannies have the right to speak, ironically enough.

>>2247245
Like I said, something a globohomo would never understand

>>2247326
Too scared to take the real redpill? Don't worry, I get it.

>>2247289
Fucking maybe.

>>2247083
The problem is this applies to republicans/"the right" as well, but I still refuse to paint every republican with a broad stroke. Some of them are 2A gun nuts who felt their vote would be wasted on the liberatarian party. Some are qanon supporters. Some love god and hate gay people. Some just cast a ballot for Trump cuz they think he's a breath of fresh air. It would be mental of me to talk to a person who believes in the second amendment and strict border control and start cracking jokes about how they think vaccines cause autism or that there's a cabal of pedophiles in the democratic party trafficking children in cabinets. This is how people sound when they conflate the left with democrats, except it's even stupider because the American political system in general leans so far right that the 80 shades of left leaning ideologies are all stuck either not voting or voting dem, meaning blue voters have probably the widest range of political opinions in the entire country.
>>2247200
More like I'm not stating my ideology because it isn't really relevant to the discussion, but I'm a libertarian socialist.

>>2247355
If you actually had a job and went outside more than once a month and know people around you, you would understand
Internet is not a real life, 15 yo socialist revolutionary

>>2247355
Not the guy you're responding to, but you're being incredibly disingenuous to claim that everyone exists in a vacuum. Stay bluepilled, though.

>>2247171
>If you tell me now that you're firmly against America drone striking kids and having shit immigration policies
I'm against both those things. I'm especially horrified by how many civilians are killed in our bombings and I see no reason why we should be doing them. I don't think the government even acts within its authority to carry them out

>The problem is I do care about those things. Oops.
Here's the problem retard: you launch into an attack against people who are against puberty blockers because OBVIOUSLY they don't care about children really because OBVIOUSLY they're in support of separating parents from their children and drone striking children

... despite the fact that you are apparently against both of those things AND puberty blockers yourself.

Do you not see a contradiction here? Or is it simply obvious that nobody who shares that view with you is as upstanding and moral as you? The only reason I would make the assumption you were pro puberty blocker is that you left it as the most reasonable thing to assume.

more likely scenario: you're not against them. you're just saying you are to save face. or you changed your mind, and you're saying you didn't to save face. or maybe you're just a narcissist who always assumes his motives are more moral than the motives of everyone else, and expects everyone to assume that of you

>>2247429
I'm more arguing that nation states are too large to have an emotional connection to and that patriotism is a farce. If that's disingenuous then I plead the 5th

>>2247423
Socialists love nation states though. I'm not sure what you're implying.

>>2240304
Thanks for making the worst fucking thread in the history of this board, OP

>>>/pol/
literally who the fuck cares about you fucking retarded americans. fuck off and go somewhere else

>>2247513
This is OUR thread. You leave.

>>2247483
Ok, globohomo
Whatever you say, globohomo

>>2247483
That's fine, but nation-states aren't the only way people divide themselves. In fact, they are probably the least influential division to individual and class psyche. Globohomo would rather we do away with all divisions for the sake of profit, in which case the anon you're arguing against still has a point.

>>2247297
Then how do you call the hypothetical / real system of rights saying that you shan't treat people worse who don't like acting like their biological sex suggests? I don't treat my identity issues as part of my "lifestyle" or something I want anyone outside of my friends to know or be considerate about, but I'd still prefer to know that no one's going to fire me just because I went shopping in a dress once or asked some of my friends if my looks could pass as a woman's.

>>2240371
Were you looking for chaos, OP? Here, have it.

>>2247589
>just because I went shopping in a dress once or asked some of my friends if my looks could pass as a woman's
No mentally healthy person needs to worry about this, though.

>>2247441
>I'm against both those things.
Then why are we even having this discussion?
>you launch into an attack against people who are against puberty blockers because OBVIOUSLY they don't care about children really because OBVIOUSLY they're in support of separating parents from their children and drone striking children
Correction: I was clarifying an argument that somebody else made, that argument being that someone who is against hormone blockers because "muh children" would have inconsistent views were they to be ambivalent towards other issues that affect children outside of America. If this didn't apply to you, you literally could have just said "I think those are bad too" and we could have just moved on. But you replied with a wall of text where you called me a commie and said Trump was better than Biden in terms of foreign policy, so pardon me for assuming you were just a fucking idiot.

>>2247589
In a real country your employer wouldn't be able to fire you without a real reason. In america, you're fucked I'm sorry.

>>2247589
Mentally ill people should be treated in a psychic ward
Yes, trannies and crossdressers are mentally ill and it's my right to not employ someone who belongs in a mental ward

>>2240304
>Most popular thread on /vt/ right now
>It's pol shit
REEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NORMIES GET OUT OF MY BOARD!!!!!

>>2247737
Just think of it like a big ole containment thread. At least its not shitting up any of the actually good threads. Jannys should really have deleted this a few hours ago though.

>>2246835
noice

>>2247690
what you said then:
>His point is posturing about how much you care about children being mistreated is clearly horseshit since people like you generally don't give a fuck about American imperialism leading to thousands of children being drone striked, nor do you generally give a fuck about children being left parentless at our borders. You don't care about children, you care about traditional western values. Just come out and say it, and next time you won't be easily outed as a hypocrite.

what you say now:
>someone who is against hormone blockers because "muh children" would have inconsistent views were they to be ambivalent towards other issues that affect children outside of America

I've never seen a greater backpedal in my life. lie more

>>2247737
It's actually /lgbt/ shit.

>>2248033
They're the same board.

>>2246835
Mom?

>>2247620
I am not sure if you mean "needs to worry about this being a problem" or "needs to think about problems like this because only mentally ill people do this".
>>2247694
Not employed or living in the US, so good for me I guess.
>>2247703
Psychic wards won't keep anyone forever though (why should they?). Every mentally healthy (or ill) person needs to play their part in society, and for most people this includes being employed or owning a business. Fortunately, many mental illnesses don't completely prevent you from having working limbs and cognitive skills so again, good for me that I found my place.

>>2246835
wait a second is this Kiara?

>>2248350
Yeah you can see she photoshopped her yellow teeth

>>2246835
I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT

>>2246835
I'll hit that

>>2248390
I want friend mode Kiara to aggressively shove her disgusting tobacco stained tongue down my throat. I want to gag on the taste of cigarettes and still go back for seconds. I want to hate myself for enjoying it so much

>>2248390
meh, I would if I had the chance.

>>2246835
3DPD are so fucking disgusting

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>>2248731
imagine the smell. imagine the poop.

>>2248637
Unless you have lots of money and japanese nationality so she can exploit you to return to japan, you don't have one.

>>2248795
All me but unironically

>>2248869
Yes, that's why I said "if I had the chance". That aside, was she kicked out of japan because her visa expired or something like that?

>>2248933
I believe that has happened before some years ago but this time around she went back by choice.

>>2240304
lmfao what the fuck is this thread

>>2248731
I WILL fuck Kiara

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>>2243727
jesus that fanbase

>>2249002
It's fucking garbage

>>2240304
Yaggo

>>2245149
Reminder that all trannies itt systematically ignored my post.

>>2252108
I wish I had a tranny-repelling force field too.

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>>2240371
If the kid wasn't ugly, people in this thread replying to that post would be saying "cute" or shit like that.