/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2245428
You're not even a member?

>>2245428
Poorfag.

It's funny that you all bitch about this but you still refuse to watch Nijisanji where members aren't forced to apologize for retarded shit like this lol
Gotta stay loyal to the brand huh

>>2245512
No fan of Hololive gives a fuck about management outside of the 'eccentric' Reddit meme faggotry. We only care about the talents.

Niji also has the profound con of having such a retarded fanbase.

>>2245428
How is this Cover throwing them under the bus when they’re not suspended or graduated? Most of the fan reactions are people predictably blaming Cover and defending the talents themselves even harder. They’ll come back, make loads of money and Cover will take their cut, all according to plan.

Agency takes the blame while fans continue to support said talent working under the agency and giving them a cut is a tale as old as time.

>>2245643
>We only care about the talents
Clearly you don't if the only talents you're interested in are all concentrated in one company, you've been tricked into questionless brand loyalty if you think Hololive has the only decent vtubers out there

>>2245643
A true fan of Hololive knows Cover is garbage and all Hololive talent along with their recruitment department should move to Nijisanji. Cover management, marketing and legal are useless.

>>2245428
buy members before talking shit

>>2245512
>Nijisanji where members aren't forced to apologize for retarded shit
https://twitter.com/Sara_Hoshikawa/status/1259004288925184001

>>2245833
Without cover most of the holos would be complete failures.
They should thank Yagoo every day for saving them from their own stupidity.

>>2245714
There's no need to juggle between two extremes. The fact that they're being forced to apologize for the oh-so-malevolent act of putting a book that they paid for and rightfully own in the fridge - which wasn't done out of spite for the book itself, but in service of a joke - is downright neanderthal. Cover acknowleding this as a mistake on the talents' part and forcing them to apologize was a blunder on their part. They could've just ignored the art faggot and let the 'drama' fade out of the public's optics, but in doing this, they're only broadcasting this minor incident even louder.

I guarantee they'll probably lose Fubuki if they continue this trend of denigrating they're talents. Off to the meds cabinet now.

*TING TING TING*
Everyone gather around Miko have an important announcement.
https://files.catbox.moe/ohkf9g.webm

>>2245428
its fucking embarrassing but still by far better than your amerimutt endless culture war without any compromise. social media mob outrage is endless. its not anything you have to keep "fighting"

>>2245512
I really wonder if people that write this shit actually watch Nijisanji or just use them as bait for hololive fans. Do you not think them apologizing to that among us mod maker who threw his toys out of the pram was retarded or Hoshikawa with the stamp shit?

>>2245958
>https://files.catbox.moe/ohkf9g.webm
focking legend

>>2245512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBSAW5zsTf0&t=2s
nice lie nijinigger

>keep saying nigger on stream
>keep selfdoxing
>go on IRL collabs with randoms
>collab with homostars
the mary sue protagonist of hololive

>>2245966
>he says in a thread about japanese social media mob outrage

>>2245942
Why do people pretend Fubuki is some sort of saint?
When the chips are down she'll put her paycheck above her coworkers.

>>2246033
so wait is that a retarded apology then? because usually i see people trying to make out he is the worst criminal on earth for admitting that he worked at a dodgy company once when this is brought up

>>2245942
has fubuki said she would want to leave because of things like this?

>>2245764
How about you educate yourself in mutual discourse and stop putting shit into my mouth that I never once claimed. I never said that Hololive has the only decent vtubers. I don't even watch a great majority of them besides the ones I enjoy.

That being said, I'd rather not watch Nijisanji and suffer their endless lesbian escapades, or endure the fanbase that villified Aloe into graduation. Fuuuuck no.

>>2246073
well he is a based nijisanji streamer. Weird how he'd have to apologize for something he did as a kid and not even as a vtuber since nijisanji is such a paradise with no forced apologies acording to you.

>>2245889
Is that even an apology?! DeepL translation is fucking wild

>>2246164
i think it is a retarded apology just seemed strange to see it being brought up as one since i am so used to seeing people try make out it was so awful

>>2246137
>I'd rather not watch Nijisanji and suffer their endless lesbian escapades
Hololive has 10x the lesbian shit Nijisanji does, what the hell are you talking about?

>>2246227
I'm just pointing out your shameless lies nijinigger. I don't really care about that homo or what he did.

>>2246103
It was in the height of China x Coco, Fbk came out to public to throw her support for Kaichou (knowing the chinks would rage since they had a rrat that she wanted the dragon gone for them), and telling the fans that if hololive ever really stopped supporting their talents shed leave. Something along those lines, I don't have the quotes

>>2246244
but my only post before responding to you was this one pointing out he was retarded
>>2245981

why doesn't the artist just make art that isn't shit If they don't want people laughing at their work

>>2246050
and they settled it. whats a problem? both cover and the fujoshit agreed to end it. its embarrassing to appease such a little cunt in fake victimhood but boosting your ego there is counterproductive and you cant find out any better consequence with it.

>>2245942
>they're being forced to apologize
Where is there any proof of this at all?

There isn't any "drama" here. The vast majority of the community, not to even mention their fans, can recognize how stupid it is. Blowing up stupid shit to your fans is an easy way to garner support. If there was any hint of real drama in here, they wouldn't be making an apology video with 0 repercussions. There's no "denigrating" the talents here, do you think anyone watching thinks less of them for apologizing? Of course not, the only people that are going to draw hate here are Cover and the idiots who started this, while the faces of the company only draw positivity.

Try making any comment about hating on Marine for bending the knee to Cover and apologizing instead of standing up to them and see where that gets you.

>>2245981
>hololive
>nijisanji
they're both gay, so what's the difference. fucka agencies, bring back the small, individual channels who did fun ten minute videos about stuff and didn't just bullshit on vidya streams in english for three hours each day for superchats. Genwun is the only period that had any heart or integrity. Except for (((Eilene))). She was corporate all along.

>>2246371
It's the same never ending shit as western internet drama, they just take breaks. But now they know the bar for making cover kneel has been lowered so expect an even more retarded controversy next time, this isn't old japanese culture where things are actually settled

>>2246272
"If Hololive ever became a black company I'd be the first to leave"
"If I'm still here you can rest assured Cover still cares about talents"

>>2246272
You are fucking retarded, it was during the copyright arc when she apologized for the inconvenience and someone in chat asked if she was being forced to apologize and she replied that if management ever tried to force her to read a statement she would quit in the spot

>>2246137
>educate yourself

People who use this expression to make their opinion seems factual/higher than other opinions should be executed in front of their love one.

Ok since we got the usual bunch of retards on a drama thread like this let me state the obvious: if it were just miko, no official apology would have been made whatsoever. She even did a stream right on the day after the incident. Miko is thickskinned and can take on the antis(not her first time), but she at the end didn't want marine to have to bear it as well, with her being a fujo and all that shit, hence why the two of them did every talk and apology together.

>>2246450
did you read the fujoshits statement. she has accepted that cover reuploads the fixed video without the part. marine and miko had to have a shitty experiene, but its been actually settled. american cancel culture never has a compromised settlement like this. you are just doom mongering as if everyone is american.

>>2245428

ITT: people who don't know how japanese culture works.

>>2245958
Imagine if she actually posted this. The you could power a city from that level of basedness

>Just listened to this
Is there something wrong with me? I actually feel kind of angry on behalf of this 28 year old woman playing an anime pirate on youtube. She sounded like she was wavering between crying and being completely furious.

>>2245512
>people get pissed off because they think the idols they care about are getting screwed
>"Why don't they just abandoned the idols!"

>>2246663
I wasn't talking about the artist, the mob doesn't care about her and most of them probably didn't even know the doujin existed, they're just searching for the next yab and at this point they can just make one up if they don't find it

>>2246609
If you wish to pioneer an idiocracy, then, by all means, lobby that at your leisure.

>>2245428
I'm going to tell you the same told to the retards on the cover thread, it's been stated by themselves several times that they have to deal with their own fuck ups, they all agreed to this when they joined. Cover may give them a week suspension at most so the hate they may get fades away and the streams don't get spammed. And no, they don't give a flying fuck about that artist, you can easily tell by Marine's apology speedrun. Now stop shitposting and killing threads because you're too much of a newfag.

>>2245428
One of these days Japanese companies are going to try the Western standard on bullshit corporate non-apologies of simply saying "I'm sorry you had a problem with this" and not showing the slightest hint of regret. When they do they will find out that all the people who are very angry at you suddenly lose their fangs.

>>2246068
Because when the chips were down she was the first to publicly proclaim her support for Coco, putting her above her entire CN fanbase, which had more subs and SC equivalents than her Youtube fanbase. To this day there are still some who are hesitant to do that, even half a year after pulling out of CN.

>>2246854
>NOT HELPING THEM WHEN THEY FUCK UP
>THINGS COVER SHOULD DO FOR THEIR TALENTS

>>2246862
The same west where you can get fired or being blocked to get into college because you said black to a black person five years ago?
That west?

>>2246766
Oh she was definitely furious, but at her own fanbase because they were joining the shitflinging. She usually calls them out during member streams like Towa does (who actually regularly does a 'stupid shit you guys did this week' talk)

>>2246854
Based.

>>2246915
Oh no don't spawn that seanigger again

>>2246819
the fujoshit author is the top player of this game. the mob isnt organised at all, doesnt share any common values and solidarity unlike identity/gender politics. hololive will stop bringing doujins with a real name in their streams but its a microscopic damage since none of holo jp members have been talking about it. this was the first time and they just had bad luck.

Has the author publicly apologized for sending her hordes of dirty fujos to Miko? This whole drama feels very lopsided. As always Cover does nothing for their talent.

>>2245428
Ok but what you have them do, faggot? Just ignoring what happened doesn't do shit. Better they make a half assed apology so they can go back to raking in the cash without any further issues. Most of you never touched a business textbook and it shows,

>>2247126
Yes she has. It was all a misunderstanding from clips taken out of context that was sent to the author.

>>2247175
Why is it always clippers? I swear every single time some small yab blows up it's because of a fucking clipper. Like those fucks that shared the analytics clips everywhere.

>>2247073
>the mob isnt organised at all, doesnt share any common values and solidarity
This is where you're wrong. You know what their "common values and solidarity" are? The most rabid antis in this case are the ones who categorically hate vtubers and jump on any opportunity to attack them in hopes of stirring shit up. It's the exact same shit you see from /a/ and /v/ fags, except from a fat Japanese neckbeard rather than a fat 56% neckbeard.

>>2247138
Ignoring controversy has provably 'done shit,' retard. See: the Panama Papers. Flames only endure if you continue to toss in the driftwood. You're insane if you think this shit would remain in the public memory for more than a week, maximum.

in other news, miko and marine will make the equivalent sc money of a month on a single stream. Lets see if the fujoshit artist will now try to claim royalties on that too, since this is only happening thanks to her own stupidity.

Cover bad.
Upvote if you agree.

>>2247256
im from japan.

>>2245833
sasuga nijibeggar

>>2247338
>>2247278
This isn't reddit, friends. Disliking a shit company like Cover while still liking and supporting the Holos is OK and won't affect your karma.

>Subsequently, I was contracted regarding this matter by the creator around noon the next day
>noon the next day
>NEXT DAY

>bitch author didn't contact Miko and Marine immediately which would have been the sane and adult thing to do

The more I'm reading the announcements the more I'm seeing that the only one at fault is the whore author and the bitch should be apologizing.

>>2247175
It was a clip taken out of context sent over a tweet taken even further out of context.

>>2247126
>>2247175
No she hasn’t. She was caught liking comments that blamed everyone BUT her for the situation. Including Miko and Marine. And I don’t have the link, but there’s a Twitter account saying she was on stream or that she has more direct action than we knew.

>>2247424
But why is it always clippers?

>>2247276
Chinder Chagger NI***R!!!! Dagger! Yes, we got it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKQs9FRq20o&ab_channel=GankSpank

>>2247376
I fail to see how Cover is a bad company, specially compared to those ones in the west.
It looks like 4chan overblows every little thing that happens, even if it doesn't makes sense.

>>2247465
Because they thrive on clickbait.

>>2247501
A lot of it basically boils down to "They didn't act fast enough" and "I'd do it better."

>>2247528
I can only name one, maybe two yabs that weren't caused/made worse by the clippers.

>This
>Analytics
>The "dark humour" incident

Only exceptions I can think of is Aloe and the Noel incident. And I'm sure some anon can prove me wrong

>>2247501
The biggest problem is they're still playing by the old japanese corporate rulebook, that doesn't work when you go international on the internet and it just looks like you throw your talents to the wolves every time they make a little noise. They've handled EN well so far but it's only because they micromanage them to hell, as soon as the mob finds a way in it'll be the same shit

>>2247126
>>2247175
No she hasn't. "I'm sorry I distribute the vtuber community" is not the same as saying I'm sorry to Miko and Marine.

>>2247721
It's worse. Cover is shizoing between a "new company" mentality and playing by the old rule book.

>>2247667
What is the Noel incident?

>>2247764
Now hold on. The bitch literally said: "I'm sorry I gave my product to [Insert something here]" Like for real? No wonder holofags went ape shit at her

>>2247764
well, to be fair, we don't know if she didnt do that in their private talks

>>2247823
Noel had a stalker among the management. Unfortunatelly they didn't act fast enough and it got real bad. They got their shit together eventually and now they have a "No dating the staff" to hopefully stop it from happening again.

>>2247912
Uoooohhhhhh

>>2247721
they dont really need to follow either your globohomo rules or anti-woke rules. thats exactly the shittest endless rabbit hole on the internet. joining the golobohomo woke war and jumping on the proxy war as told by you would be the most ridiculous assclown decision.

>>2247218
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if I wake up tomorrow and find out Cover has made new bullshit rules about clips thinking it's the solution

>>2245512
>Nijiniggers
Keep seething tranny

>>2245428
I haven't been following this. Did the situation with that HoloAlt guy who ditched his contract with Cover get worse? Or is this something else?

>>2247937
Honestly, if fags like BecauseOfReasons keep making shit up instead of translating accurately, I'd be for it

>>2247893
But instead Marine and Miko had to do in public while the author gets away scoot free.

>>2247856
The author isn't a sound person if she thought she could sue Miko and Marine.

>>2245714
The problem is, if you keep associating with a company with an increasingly worsening reputation, eventually the talents themselves will be on the receiving end of the hate for sticking with them.

>>2247912
Wasn't that Mel? Were there two stalker incidents?

>>2245428
Apologizing does not mean being thrown under the bus. What the hell kind of place were you raised in?

>>2247957
>Miko and Marine had a sleepover
>One of them left a BL novel in the fridge for the other to find
>The author of the BL novel found out about it via clip and went ape shit
>Allegedly calling the bisexual and the lesbian homophobic
>Fujoshis went apeshit
>Holofags went apeshit at the fujoshis and artist
>Marine and Miko had a week off and came out with a half assed speedrun apology about it

Shit can go back to normal now.

>>2247927
Get out /pol/, don't you have a florida independence thread already

>>2248009
It might've been. Idk why my brain always fills in "Noel" I'M PRETTY SURE THERE WAS SOMETHING WITH NOEL AS WELL.

Read this entire thread and still don’t understand what happened, or why anyone was upset. Something about a book in a fridge and a fujo doujin artist? Ogeys aside, can some spoon feed me the story like a baby?

>>2248051
Forcing your talents to be the public face of an apology for something that should have just been ignored is absolutely throwing them under the bus

>>2248062
im not a mutt so dont give a fuck about your fee fees. if you unironically find my post politically "biased" you are too political and western centric.

>>2248074
Mel was stalked by one of the managers some time ago. That is the only incident of the kind I'm aware of.

>>2248074
Noel called herself danchou on her roommates stream. That’s about it for her they I know of.

>>2248055
Thank you for the baby food kind sir, this wasn’t here when I posted this.
>>2248082

>>2248085
Here's the thing: Fans of both Miko and Marine also went after the artists. That's why the apology exists. Methinks.

>>2248082
See
>>2248055

>>2248147
I have no idea why my brain keeps switching Noel and Mel

>>2248157
Possible but what you do in that case is put out a general "hey stop being retarded" statement. You don't have to name the artist or even the specific incident

>>2247376
>A true fan of Hololive knows Cover is garbage and all Hololive talent along with their recruitment department should move to Nijisanji
Sure you support the talents wanting them to move to a black company like Ichikara, you are just another nijikek who sucks Ichikara´s cock

>>2248212
Considering this is the first time (That I can think of) where the holos themselves adressed it. Not suprised it was a mess.

>>2248341
Isn't Fubuki on record saying that she'll fuck off if Cover becomes a black company?

>>2248374
Fuck I replied to myself instead of >>2248324

>>2248212
Either two things should have happened to settle this for the public. Author does a stream and apologizes, or this one would be in the best interest of all parties involve is for the author, Miko, and Marine to get together and I mean together not separate at the same time and stream an apology and to put it to rest.

Making only Miko and Marine apologize is throwing them under the bus.

>>2245764
I like the chuubas I watch and I can barely keep up with their streams, I'm sure Nijisanji has great vtuber but I'm not interest in new ones right now, what I am interested in is Cover not fucking over the vtubers I do watch because they lack any sort of backbone as a company. They get fucking constantly bullied and pushed around and its hilariously pathetic.

>>2248443
They can't really force the artist to apologise, can they?

>>2248512
Sort of, don't know if there was any behind the scenes talk but they could have buried them in copyright hell technically

>>2248499
>Constantly pushed around and bullied
They desolved an entire branch, lost game privilages to one of the biggest games right now and cut off a secondary source of income just to keep two people.

>>2248374
Fubuki is also a pushover

>>2248512
If the author really cares about "putting the matter behind her" as she has constantly said she would, but she isn't even meeting half way.

That is no way to negotiate and I'm sure Cover has a couple of contacts that would put give her heat. Bamco could go after the author any time they want.

>In Japan rape fujoshit doujinshi is considered "art"

Do nips really?

>>2248591
So basically the only reason those statements exist is because someone had to make them and the artist doubled down?

>>2248374
I actually believe in friend

>>2248612
the dumbest cunt is you.

>>2248612
Lolita is also considered good literature, what's your point?

>>2248626
Obviously. Call what I say a rrat, but there is no way that the author put out her "half ass" apology on twitter of all things without some "compensation" from Cover.

>>2248627
I believe in Friend too because she'd get a lot of shit if she didn't go through with it

>>2248560
I do not believe it would have escalated if Cover did not immediately capitulate. Suspending them was the worst thing they could have done. Cover had the inside deets on Chinas new legalese about streaming so the CN branch was always going to be dissolved and all it ended up doing in the end was letting the antis know that they had power if they pushed enough.

>>2248667
I wouldn't even call that a rrat if they were willing to start this shit over an out of context clip

>>2248560
Now think for a moment what would have happened if all those things and the thing now happened IF Hololive never became big? Do you think Cover would have gone through with all that or bent the knee?

>>2246046
its honestly surprising twitter niggers havent cancelled her for saying the n word like 10 years ago

>>2247835
Was this the manga? If it is, then how based.

>>2248685
It really depends how you look at it though. I didn't see it as bowing down. I saw it as a panicked "Let's get them off social media until it blows over" response.

>>2248726
If they weren't big I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have the capital to deal with china in the first place.

>>2248374
Just schizos wanting drama, don't worry about it.

>>2248667
now now, the apology she tweeted today had some heart in it...
so either the payment cleared
and/or
she finally realized that from this point on, she has to deal with the schizo-gachikois alone

Good luck Author-chan, you're going to need it...

>>2245428
On a lighter note, this was Miko's first time buying a BL book and look what happened. She'll never touch the stuff again.

>>2248753
Cover internally probably wasn't trying to bow down yeah but that was how its perceived and unfortunately they just keep on doing it. Yab happens, suspend, repeat. It makes them look like a wet blanket.

>>2248753
I'd believe it if they didn't do the same shit to aloe at the worst possible time, she didn't even really get to debut and cover just said "lol have fun"

>>2248867
To be fair, how is it any different from a "normal" ban. Like, out of all the possible cockups they could've done. Having them take a week off is the lesser of the evils

>>2248907
The Aloe situation was much more complicated than that. If the Delta threads are to be believed,

>>2245428
Reminders that fujos are subhuman filth.

>>2248199
Tits.

>>2248826
No good luck. The dumb bitch got salty over free exposure of her copyrighted work.

>>2246046
>keep saying nigger on stream
ok now Anon you can't say something like that and not have a link somewhere

>>2249035
They didn't even read it on stream as far as I know

>>2248910
It just leaves them exploitable, any fuck up no matter how small can and will be taken advantage of by disingenuous third parties because they've set a precedent for capitulation.

>>2249003
QRD then, I know the whole sperging was about her making sex jokes/talking on the roommate account and maybe having a boyfriend. All that could have been solved with denial and just cleaning it up later

>>2249111
at least there's a reference point for fanbase reaction now
hopefully that encourages butthurt snowflakes send their whining through legal department first, saving us the trouble and focus on more important matters

>>2249224
One day at the Cover legal dep.:
>Dude what does it say?
>Idk I don't speak english.

>>2248826
A whole $3?
Also I don’t think author-kun understands how crazy some of these gachis are.

>>2249111
at least there's a reference point for fanbase reaction now
hopefully that encourages butthurt snowflakes send their whining through legal department first

Thus we can focus on watching more monhun

>>2249166
The rrat is that it blew up because people assumed she implied Ichikara to be a black company.
She fully intended on returning until her step dad went full tantrum and scared her into graduating.

>>2249276
>$3
Imagine pissing off an entire fanbase and all you get from it is a $3 refund.

EOPs wrassling with themselves about how paying in exposure is legit monetary compensation, the thread

>>2249306
That would explain the hate thread I saw.

>>2248055
That BL author sounds like a crazy person, unless there's more to the story.

>>2249336
I thought it was about china

>>2249352
The only part I'm not sure about is the homophobic part.

>>2249352
Don't think the artist went that far, it all started off a little "sure is nice to use my work on your stream" comment

>>2249416
But imagine if every artist lost their shit if you name a book you paid for on stream. FUCKING IMAGINE

>>2245958
Based and ding-ding-ding pilled!

>>2249336
>about how paying in exposure is legit monetary compensation
No, the money originally paid for the product is the legit monetary compensation. Trying to regulate what customers do with the product after they have already paid for it is the kind of insane control-freak behavior seen in Disney-like corporations, and apparently also in fujoshi artists.

>>2249276
>>2249313
wish we had a rat inside to disclose the amount, gotta have a superchat goal for return streams afterall...

>>2249352
artists generally are more or less unstable
homophobic part is bullshit tho

>>2249445
Now that they know they can get free attention I don't have to imagine

>>2249166
It was because she critisized Nijisanji and the Nijiniggers dogpiled her. The SEX shit was just a rrat created by Nijiniggers to cover their tracks.

>>2249550
Imagine if your Oshi reads Watchmen
Imagine your Oshi being bullied by the snake worshiping wizard that is Alan Moore.

>>2249352
virtually all BL authors are. especially the hardcore BL authors/consumers are similar to western roasties. marine might as well grow out of BL shit

they share some shitty nerdy ass unspoken rules. this drama is pretty much about them gatekeeping their closed country town and being jealous of vtubers getting attention from men

>>2249568
How many times do we have to tell Holofags and Nijiniggers that there is no bad blood between the companies?

>>2248826
It's just more of the same "sorry for the drama, leave me alone" rather than apologizing to Miko and Marine

>>2249607
>Unspoken rules

Holy fuck that's gay.

>>2245958
If she did this with the shit flute BGM she uses from time to time I would have super chatted her 10,000 dollars and bought all of her available merch.

>>2249264
you dont have to understand english to see gore images

>>2248074
Take your meds, anon. You're turning into a schizo here

>>2249727
Meds were taken. It's the tits. The giant tits confuse me. Also Noel and Mel sound really similar in my ESL brain.

>>2249628
between companies no, between fans yes

>>2249485
the EOPs paid for the product in this scenario?

>>2249847
This is some console wars faggotry

>>2249935
always has been

>>2250062
I never understood that shit. Made even less sense to me when a buddy of mine who was a hardcore playstation fag got an Xbox lol

>>2249352
Because there is, but this place would obviously end up being biased towards Hololive.

>Marine/Miko do their thing nothing wrong here
>Clipper clips the part where they read a few lines out loud and I suppose technically they're laughing at it
>Matome sites report it as Marine/Miko read and make fun of a BL doujin for content
>Author finds it and basically tweets
>"When I looked myself up it seems like a famous vtuber is making fun of a doujinshi I drew a long time ago?"
>"Even though I didn't get a single cent as the person who drew/wrote it, they're reading it out loud to farm superchats? Is this for real? Also how did vtubers even get so popular in the first place?"
>"For now I tried sending Sakura Miko a DM. I barely have 2k followers so I'm not sure if she'll even respond but, I really hope they'll contact the author beforehand the next time they do something like this. Doujinshi are supposed to be unofficial, and it'd be bad for it to be recognized by an "official" company."
>"I really don't want to stand out/get into any drama right now, so I'm going to lock my twitter for now."
>Matome sites run this as author gets angry over popular vtubers earning money using her work and laughing at it
>People start attacking the author and now you have people defending her too.

It's also obvious from her responses that no one here is "demanding" monetary compensation.
>"Wow this is pretty embarrassing, but I did put it out there so I guess I can't do anything about it now. It is a derivative work in the first place so it's sort of a gray zone and I can't really complain. Honestly, let's plays are also a grey zone..."
"Yeah, I don't really know much about vtubers, I just wish they had contacted me beforehand for stuff like this since I'm still pretty active on the internet. I guess next time I'll have to write "No read-alouds on Youtube" in my doujins."

whats bother me is why they had to apologize if is not their fault.the creator of the doujin didn't make a research about this whole thing.he or she created drama out of nothing

>>2250129
Based anon

So basically...Websites started shit.

What a shitty announcement. I was expecting something like this.

>>2250241
It's both websites, but then subsequently the fans who frequent those websites.

After she locked her twitter and the sites start printing their shit, a lot of fans or maybe false flaggers started to post completely irrelevant shit like "lmao remember those girls you bullied in school? they were probably drawing crap like that", "dumbass otaku drawing creepy BL shit and CP deserve to be made fun of", or "your doujin is a derivative work anyways, you don't have any say in whether other people decide to use it or not".

Which is why Marine had to apologize for not knowing how much influence she had and "causing trouble" to the artist.

>>2250129
>hmm, I suspect these streamers with hundreds of thousands of deranged fans are swindling me
>I should make some whiny tweets instead of waiting on them to answer my message
>I could not have predicted this

>>2250352
I gotta say it's impressive how the whole convo shifted from "Fuck Cover" to "Fuck the people that made Cover panic in the first place"

>>2250406

>>2249041
Given her hiphop background, I wouod honestly not be suprised if she was used to saying "nigga".

>>2250406
expecting fujos to use her brain for something that is not BL shit

>>2248747
No but yes.

>>2250462
She got baited into saying Nick Gurr by a red superchat. That's the reason we get separate superchat streams/segments now.

>>2250491
Kek. It's super-memoryholed, right?

>>2250129
you should mention what that shit doujin is like too. its a shit bl doujin about char raping amuro which is nothing but a parody doujin for fun, and you can also see it as an insult to the og gundam and its fans according to her logic.

fujoshits like this author live under a rock cuz they are nerdy as fuck, and cant take criticisms or jokes from the outside of their small circle and arent self aware of what they are actually making. thats why this shit happened. vtubers looked like alpha outsiders to them.

>>2250129
>>"Even though I didn't get a single cent as the person who drew/wrote it..."
>>author gets angry over popular vtubers earning money using her work and laughing at it
Isn't that accurate, then? This BL author sounds like a crazy person even knowing the full story.

>>2250491
>>2250513
During her 2nd stream or so she got baited into saying "lazy negro". She said it very quietly since she didn't know how to read it I guess. She froze up for a few seconds though.

>>2250519
do you have any proof of this which actually applies to the situation or are the meds just wearing off

>>2245916
The only thing management did, was make the talents worry about their channels getting banned.

>>2250539
You expect fujo or even doujin artists to be mentally well? In Japan?!? HA HA HA. At the end of the day it's just drawings that do no harm to anyone. But even I would not draw some of that shit if I had the skill to do it.

>>2248324
Ah yes, a Black company like ichikara while the non black company like Cover has managers wanting to fuck the pussy of their talents like Mel.

>>2250644
did I said they are not? kys tribalist faggot

>無い屋 https://twitter.com/NAIZ0N
I will remember this name
once she published any doujin in future, I will report them to copyright one by one even she change her name later

>>2250674

>>2250569
i fully understand japanese and literally can prove everything but wont bring actual proofs here cuz i dont want to needlessly spread jp stuff on the english speaking internet. im just informing you eops about japanese otaku thingies

also im a big fan of uc gundam series you wouldnt even know of.

>>2248374
I'm sick of EOPs pushing this shit. For the record she was talking to chinks on bilibili. Kind of puts a different light on it.

>>2250674

>>2250600
I mean, I spend my free time watching grown women pretend to be anime characters, so I don't consider myself an authority on what mentally well is. Everyone has their individual schizo tendencies. But I can barely even piece together the logic, unless the artist mistakenly thought they were showing scans on screen and this is just an artifact of Japan's insane anti-piracy stance.

>>2250674
I kneel anon, I expect further updates when the time comes

>>2246959
Go outside.

>>2250826
Not an argument.

>>2250539
I mean, being whiny on twitter isn't exactly the same as being angry. She locked her twitter in less than an hour after making those tweets but obviously people already saw them.

I don't think there's anything crazy/wrong with complaining about how it's unfair that your work has suddenly gotten popularized quite a bit, but someone else is taking all the profits even if they were the ones who popularized it, especially when someone who knows nothing about vtubers just sees Hololive as this official idol company doing promotions with multiple gens, etc.

>>2247126
What are they supposed to do? Cover and the talents probably agreed that Cover would not touch the YouTube channels of the talents.

>>2250734
The author thought they were doing a recitation of her entire book. As in reading the lines out loud from start to finish. Which, if they were doing, wouldn't fall under fair use in any country.

>>2247278
Here’s a gold too!

>>2250974
thought

>>2251033
Yes, which is why she sent a DM to Miko to clear things up literally in the same tweet chain. The original video was made private, so all people had to go on were clips, mainly the one that cut out the minute or two where they were reciting lines and laughing.

>>2250902
>I don't think there's anything crazy/wrong with complaining about how it's unfair that your work has suddenly gotten popularized quite a bit, but someone else is taking all the profits even if they were the ones who popularized it, especially when someone who knows nothing about vtubers just sees Hololive as this official idol company doing promotions with multiple gens, etc.

lol very american idea. which is nowhere near the japanese reality. reminder doujin itself isnt really legal stuff. they also gain a profit from someone elses copyrighted stuff.

So the more I keep hearing that these apologies are just PR stunts and just the way things have to be in Japan, the more I feel this is a nonissue. Miko and Marine did their boilerplate apologies, let's just move on. Maybe they didn't have to apologize but whatever, they did, and we all know they apologized just because they had to. So in theory, they did not actually apologize. So there you go. They did not apologize and let us just move on...
Very short sighted of the author to do something like this but whatever, she/he/it will probably be the loser in this fight.

>>2251309
Based anon gets it

I fucking hate nips sometimes

>>2248742
hololive isn't still big enough for that

>>2251416
then leave. nobody is asking you to watch them you filthy alien

>>2249654
>https://twitter.com/n72699389/status/1379060712899629060?s=20

Reading between the lines, someone from the "inside the fujo circle" most definitely told her to start bending downwards
Original works artists need promotion channels _like Marine_ to make a living in the future, because literally nobody else will promote their shit at reasonable price.

>>2250902
>I don't think there's anything crazy/wrong with complaining about how it's unfair that your work has suddenly gotten popularized quite a bit

If this author really cared. She would have sent private messages to Miko and/or Marine to ask what is going on and to tell her grievances, but instead she chose to air her grievances to the public. It's obvious what she wanted was to stroke her ego by looking for validation from strangers.

Also, this author wanted to sue Miko and Marine for copyrights when the author herself is stealing from Bamco with Gundam. Think how narcissist that is?

>>2251529
saddest part; she was perfectly within her legal rights to issue takedown for the part that mentioned the book

>>2251445
I'm clearly not talking about the ones I'm watching you mongoloid faggot

>>2251309
I mean it still is kinda giving up on your dignity.
Anyway this situation made me realize why nips have this netorare fetish. They love to be cucked and encourage it

>>2251569
No she doesn't. She doesn't even have the rights to make the doujin in the first place
What would the scenario even look like?
Fujo issues take down
Cover asks Bamco whats up
Bamco sees some random fujo issuing take downs with their IP

>>2251529
>Bamco
*sunrise.

the doujin author is obviously a selfish cunt. marine and miko just had bad luck.

>>2251529
Money.

>>2251631
I guess you are right but if everyone does it and is expected to do it, then do you really lose anything? Or I guess if everyone does this and loses their dignity, then you're not losing any more dignity than you have to...idk I am starting to confuse myself with this logic of mine

>>2251618
the fuck are you even talking about, you third world monkey. just leave and go watch english speaking globohomo vtubers.

>>2245428
>Yagoo
>europoor
You know that Japan isn't a European country right? Burger-kun?

>>2245428
not even a member, kek.

>>2246671
*Japanese corporate culture, which is infamously shit. It might be normal in Japan for companies to put out grovelling apologies every time anyone is offended, but that doesn't make it good.

>>2251804
the very amerimutt brain that mindlessly rationalises cancel culture. holy shit

>>2251773
>throwing money at youtubers ever
bigger kek

>>2251569
>she was perfectly within her legal rights to issue takedown for the part that mentioned the book
I can't believe Japan is that crazy. For a mention or a few quoted lines? Nobody is that insane.

>>2251804
t. chink insect

>>2251529
She did send them a DM, >>2251128 while also airing her grievances to a "public" twitter with barely any followers, and subsequently privated her twitter after realizing people were blowing it up.

>this author wanted to sue Miko and Marine
Where did you even get this from?

>>2251639
Derivative works have their own rights under any country following the Berne convention, or are supposed to but most countries ignore international law for their own anyways. You can issue a takedown for any derivative work you created the same way anyone can issue you a takedown for that work. IP is not limited to just brands.

mental gymnastics and smears just to defend hololive galore

>>2251821
Lot of projection you have there anon, but "cancel culture" is also shit for similar reasons.
>>2251849
China is even worse about it, it's just the CCP specifically everyone has to grovel and apologize to.

>>2251824
imagine being poor enough to care about 5 dollars a month/

>>2251821
no one said anything about cancel culture anon, go home

>>2251885
>Lot of projection you have there anon, but "cancel culture" is also shit for similar reasons.
heh?
whats the better company then. disney? cn? hasbro? blizzard? apple? lmao can you teach me that, amerimutt. dont tell me its some indie shit company that doesnt even last long.

>>2251976
It's bad no matter who does it, this isn't some culture war competition.

>>2251929
imagine spending money on a virutal girl so she can read your nick sometimes

>>2251935
why are you defending cancel culture. its obviously a thing for your companies. nearly all mutt entertainment companies bend the knee to angry twatter mob

>>2251639
no, the fujo author still owns the derivative rights, thus she can block it from being show in certain context
(same thing as many artists have "do not repost" on their twitter/pixiv page. They can issue takedowns, but that's about it)

>>2251828
the quoting of few lines was not an issue, it's about the for-mentioned context

The context doesn't have to be illegal or anything to validate the takedown.
Any literal bullshit reason like "I don't want my work to be associated with dating games" or "this person" is enough

>>2251870
>Pointing out that all this started because of an out of context clip
>Pointing out that the nonapology is the least shit that happened
>Pointing out that the author had no place to bitch

Mental gymnastics fucking where?

>>2249935
It's a bit different. Imagine a world where Xbox fans regularly tried to infect Nintendo's computers with Trojans, and succeeded in (directly or indirectly) causing one of Nintendo's young partners to go out of business.

>>2251855
The author sent a DM the day after which shit already hit the fan. She should have just waited for an answer from Miko and/or Marine, but instead she had to make it public in which anyone could see it including the antis and involved people that had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to her.

And I got it from the Marine thread.

>>2251997
you said japanese corporate culture is shit. so you should have better ones in the us.

>>2251824
t. poorfag

>>2252007
poorfags

>>2252061
American corporate culture is shit for different reasons like flavor-of-the-month virtue signalling, but that's completely irrelevant to this thread for anyone not obsessed with bringing up Americans in every single post like yourself.

>>2252013
>>2252061
please take your meds, the only one talking about the united states or cancel culture are the voices in your head

>>2252077
>>2252114
t PROUD simps

>>2245428
I just wanna say, if I buy a doujinshi and I put it in my fridge, that's my fucking business. If I wanna take a shit on it or tear out all the pages, that's my fucking business. I already paid for the doujinshi. The artist got her money. She should be happy she made a sale. She doesn't get to dictate how I store my books.

>>2252028
this entire thread and baord is just full of crafted stories based on memes and stereotypes to try to explain whats happening

>>2252159

one day, you too will be able to quit your wagecuck job.


Not today though.

>>2245958
Warukunai yo ne~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kavIJKRy0

>>2252216
one day you'll be able to find a real gf

>>2252163
same but with the author. You don't get to tell her what she can and can't do

>>2252159
Yes, cause I got money to spare unlike you poor boy

>>2252163
Not fitting this case because the doujin is ripping off gundam, but anywhere you go there's different tiers of copyright for private use, indie streaming and corporate media use. For example even if Cover was an american company they still couldn't do on screen movie watchalongs without getting permissions

>>2252134
then you were saying japanese corpos are shit with no standards? whats that absolutely subjective bitchy shit.

>>2245428
i hope the author gets shunned

>>2252035
The author sent a DM the same day she even realized what was going on >>2250674 which was like you said, after it had already blown up, although less blown up than after her tweets.

"Should" is a loaded term. Would the situation have been resolved way more peacefully had she not made tweets? Probably. Do I think she's at fault for making those tweets? Definitely not. Expecting someone with a personal twitter to watch every word they say "just in case" someone with 1000x your following unintentionally hurls their fanbase at you is ridiculous.

I don't see how anyone could rationalize placing blame on the author prior to placing blame on antis giving Marine/Miko shit for it, fans harassing the author over it, or even Marine/Miko themselves for not checking with the rights owner before using their content for a gag since they're the side here with far more influence.

does this author have a doujin circle? I hope people spit on them if they ever set up a booth.

>>2252155
what im saying is just a fact. funny that you are trying to sweep it under the rug. many mutts behave like that nowadays. go figure

>>2252163
Where's the part about you streaming it to tens of thousands of people and making it possible to identify the specific work that goes against the IP holder's policy?

I was low key hoping they'd be forced to graduate so I could see the chimpout and radioactive drama.

>>2252457
yeah, fujos deserve the rope

>>2252413
What you and millions of other people using Twitter don't understand is that everything you say on Twitter carries the same weight as an official statement. Why? Because it's words that you have broadcast to the public for all to see.
It doesn't matter if you have a "company" Twitter account and a "personal" Twitter account.

>>2252413
There was no "situation" prior to the author being insane.

>>2252413
Yes she should, because that is what any sane person would have done.

But instead what she wanted was a fight and is playing victim when she got hit back.

She is Kayne West in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

>>2252413
Not even resolved more peacefully, nothing would have happened at all if she hadn't opened her mouth in public. It was a 3 minute bit in a random stream, and even if the artist didn't know about the vtuber hate machine she should have known about basic twitter controversy chasers

>>2252503
>violate the IP holder's legally-binding policy
>whine when someone doesn't acknowledge your non-legally-binding policy, which mostly are internal rules for your own group
Seriously, what did the author think was going to happen?

>>2250129

People on twitter are idiots. Why don't they take the time to actually see what's going on instead of chimping out like niggers. If they just took a second to see what was going on, they'd see oh it's not a big deal, who cares. But nope.
>hey this nigga talking shit 'bout you
>what he say? I'mma fuck his shit up!

>>2245428
Around Fujoshits, Never relax

>>2252279
They didn't show anything though. They kinda said the title but that's like saying I can't say the words "Avengers Endgame" because the mouse will get me.

>>2252867
The only reasonable thing I can get out of this is if the author was worried that increased attention on her own work might cause Bamco to crack down on her specifically. That kind of fear makes sense, and I could be sympathetic to. But her own complaint was monetary, including irritation that Vtubers make a lot of SC money. >>2250129 Which is absolutely crazy.

>>2252413
Author still hasn't publicly apologized to Miko and Marine for the trouble she caused (her non-apology was directed at the 'vtubing community'). She regrets nothing

>>2252612
There is no company vs personal here, I'm using personal as in any random joe shmoe's twitter, who she basically was.

>Everything you say on Twitter carries the same weight as an official statement.
Except this isn't true. Go make a random statement on twitter about how you think people should attack the Capitol Hill. Now imagine Trump makes a direct statement on Twitter for his supporters to attack Capitol Hill. Do you think both of your tweets carried the same weight and everyone who made a moronic tweet about that should be charged? Or even take people claiming to want to "kill all landlords", do you think their tweets have the same amount of weight as if someone like AOC or Bernie tweeted that? A larger audience to broadcast to clearly holds more weight.

The funny thing is the author didn't even say any thing that controversial. This is about as stupid as saying Marine/Miko streamed on Youtube which is public, so they should have expected that people would harass them about permissions and blow this up, or saying Coco mentioned Taiwan in public and she should have expected CN to get mad at her so it's her fault she was getting harassed.

>>2253106
Go drink some gutter oil zhang

>>2252867
The NFL actually does that, you can't advertise a "superbowl" event without having a license. Not exact on the trademark law but I'm sure if disney wanted to fuck someone like that they could

>>2253106
It's true that if you are a more famous/public figure, your statements carry more weight, which is as it should be. But my point is that anything you say on Twitter is out there for everyone to see, and therefore if you do manage to attract attention-for any reason-you can't act like you did nothing wrong.
There's a big difference between making an offhanded comment to a good friend of yours when the two of you are alone, and saying something on live TV. When it comes to Twitter, everything you post there is the latter. Most people just don't get in trouble for it because no one sees or cares what they say.

>>2252616
?????? Did you miss the part where people were blowing it up a day before the author even noticed? Also >>2252643, stuff already happened the day before, it just blew up more once she tweeted.

>>2252621
>>2253030
Where are you guys even getting your sources aside from the author's direct tweets? >>2250674 How can you read that and think "she's picking a fight"? There is no irritation here that vtubers make a lot of SC money, the complaint was that she is not seeing a cent of that money. Also she did also complain about the increased attention in responses to other people, not out of fear of getting sued, but the same fear nonetheless that doujins are meant to be unofficial, and she didn't think it was a good idea for it to be mentioned by an official company like HL.

>>2252774
Further down the reply chain I explained that the video was privated, and there were only inflammatory clips and articles. DMing someone is not "I'm going to fuck his shit up!". If you're talking about the fans/other people yes, I can agree that people who read matome/watch clips and then go on to attack Marine/Miko/the author are dumb.

>>2253106
Trump never did that so I don't see why you're repeating lies in this thread.

>>2253387
>?????? Did you miss the part where people were blowing it up a day before the author even noticed? Also >>2252643, stuff already happened the day before, it just blew up more once she tweeted.

The doujin situation might've happened nonetheless but don't tell me the schizos would've chased the author's ass if she kept her mouth shut instead of dropping those tweets. At best if things couldn't be ignored she should've just aknowledged that [other] people showed concern about her doujin, instead of drawing even more attention. Even if she's 100% on the right, do you really expect a massive fanbase like miko's/marine's to not side with their oshi and throw eggs at you? She handled the situation piss poorly.

>>2253383
I do agree that you can't act like you did absolutely nothing wrong if what you tweeted was wrong in the first place, which the author did not actually tweet anything objectively wrong. I think you agree with the level of "wrongness" isn't necessarily correlated with the repercussions either.

I simply disagree that attracting attention for any reason would justify that what you did was wrong just because it's all public. I do agree that optimally, people would always watch what they say when everything they say can be recorded. The problem is that when you say most people don't get in trouble for it, you're talking about 99.999% of people tweeting. For most people using twitter, making a tweet might as well just be making an offhanded comment to a friend, and the fact is that people aren't going to change that habit. If some random nobody makes an offensive joke on twitter, I don't think they were wrong on the basis that if their tweet blows up, that it would end up offending a large amount of people, but rather on the basis of the tweet itself.

If the author tweets about the situation and was prior a random nobody, it's not her fault that you have other fanbases blowing up her tweets, and I don't agree that everything being public is enough justification to lay the blame at her feet for having should have "expected" people to attack her for it.

>>2253437
I said the word imagine right in front of that, implying that he specifically didn't say that. Please read.

>>2253665
>"Should" is a loaded term. Would the situation have been resolved way more peacefully had she not made tweets? Probably. Do I think she's at fault for making those tweets? Definitely not. Expecting someone with a personal twitter to watch every word they say "just in case" someone with 1000x your following unintentionally hurls their fanbase at you is ridiculous.

I don't expect that. What I'm saying is that placing the blame on her for not expecting it is dumb when you should be placing the blame on the people who threw the eggs on both sides. I mentioned a similar analogy in which clearly we don't blame Miko/Marine for not having the awareness that they would be thrown eggs by permissions harassers by showing that doujin, as we shouldn't, even if they hold a much greater position of influence that the author.

>>2253793
>which the author did not actually tweet anything objectively wrong
Author claimed they were making fun of her work. That's objectively wrong.

>>2254002
In the context of the clips available and articles posted afterwards it isn't. Also she specifically said that it seemed/felt like they were making fun of her work, which isn't an objective statement. When paired with her intention to DM in order to clarify things up, I really don't think that's something wrong.

>>2253793
I do agree with what you've said here. I feel, though, that I must disagree about the authors' tweets. If they only intended to figure out what Miko and Marine meant, and had contacted/was going to contact them, they should not have tweeted about it at all. Everything could have stayed private between the three, and any controversy would have died within days at most, since there would be little fuel for it.

Here's the clip for those of you that didn't get to see it.
>>>/wsg/3871436

>>2246046
I think I found my perfect oshi!

For all the shit you guys talk about the Chinese. You guys sure are very similar to them. Brigading someone for no reason.

so basically the lesson here is if some vtubers make fun of your doujin, you should just roll with the punches instead of making a big deal about it and attracting schizos and happeningfags

>almost 300
It's time to stop, I want other juicy yabai or rrat

>>2255328
no we have to reach the bump limit at all costs

>>2255090
/vpol/ are our chinks but they're not tolerated by the masses so they have to bitch online

>>2255871
>>2255741
>samefag.jpg

>>2248742
oh shit link?

>>2245512
Reminder that Nijifags caused all this permission shit in the first place

>>2245958
CUTE

>>2249352
>That BL author sounds like a crazy person
>sounds

>>2245428
>thrown under the bus
Cover used the hands off approach.
Marine/Miko were perfectly capable of handling things on their own.

>>2248843
Hopefully she burns the book that put her in this mess

>>2252413
Anon you shouldn't use logic with holofags. They're rabid dogs. Little different from K-Pop stans

>>2255090
It's mostly nips. There are maybe forty people here who care enough to start harassing the artist, and most of them didn't even know about it until just now

>>2259632
What is wrong with you? Why are you in this thread?

>>2245428
What happened?

>>2245512
I do watch Nijisanji.

>>2248560
>implying the JP branch would've survived if they fired Haachama and Coco
They had no choice in the matter. Firing them to appease the chinks would've caused the implosion of their main branch from the domestic backlash.

>>2245428
ogeeey
whole thing's wholly irrelevant to my interests

>>2247835
what is it with fujos and gundam

>>2245958
Thank you Miko
Very cool

>>2250129
Yeah sure, for how you put it he did get mad and it was mostly for monetary reasons, it's what it is.You can tell he is really butthurt about they getting money having his work in some way contributed to it (which is not the case anyways), while he probably is poor as fuck.
Imagine being this much of a malicious faggot that you get mad at them instead of going along with it and using them to make your works more popular, what an absolute idiot.

>>2245512
I don't watch Niji, because they are just too confusing for me, with their 1000 talents.
I did watch couple of them though.
And anyway, I'm not going to betray my oshi, just because her management is shit.

So this is just another episode of Japanese monkeys not taking their meds?

>>2245428
Are you fucking monkey retarded? Put on CC and watch it again.

Miko and Marine talked to the author and stayed on good terms. This video had to be made because people kept harrasing the author, and author fans kept harrasing miko.

What did Marine do?

>>2245512
I love Akina!

tl:dr
On miko and marine offcollab, they pranked each other using a BL doujinshi, like putting it on the fridge and other stuff, they didn't say the name of the doujin but hinted it enough to be recognized, the author felt that using his work for pranks was disrespectful, so angry internet mob attacked miko and marine. Miko and Marine talked to the author and went to good terms and agree to continue streaming like nothing happend. In the meantime miko/marine fans harrased the author for being a bitch, and author fans counter harresed miko/marine.They had to make the anoucemt to tell people to chill.

So from what I understand, some doujinka got assmad at out-of-context clips of Marine and Miko laughing at a prank with a Gundam doujin, on top of money money money. Kinda funny to learn Marine and Miko may be into BL. At times I wondered what sort of stuff Holo or Niji members read.
>>2261817
Well, this explains it better as well.

>>2261817
>Miko and Marine talked to the author and went to good terms and agree to continue streaming like nothing happend.
*Miko attempted to stream a single time at the peak of the drama before both of them were apparently suspended for a week, sending 35P into a frenzy.

>>2261817
The fujoshits and shitstirrers attacked Marine and Miko first you dipshit, this would be a non-issue if the author didn't make a big deal out of it the first time

>>2252413
>Do I think she's at fault for making those tweets? Definitely not.
Marine just forced her to make a public retard of herself. Really, no one could expect the professional to act professionally about it, at all.
Fuck human "agency".

>>2259632
>using logic
>implying the author had literally no choice but to go public and act like a huge fucking retard in front of thousands of people
LITERALLY no choice
LITERALLY
Marine and Miko tied her up and forced her to go public with something that was both extraordinarily unpopular and also insanely petty that could have been worked out behind the scenes seamlessly.

Fucking rabid dog holoFAGGOTS forcing that poor author to to
uh
not act like a rabid dog with no agency?

Holy shit it's like you and >>2252413 literally used zero logic at all and you both sound retarded or something. At least your sub-20 IQ posts were made anonymously and not attached to your real names like hers was.

>>2261817
>In the meantime miko/marine fans harrased the author for being a bitch, and author fans counter harresed miko/marine.
This is not true, the author's fans harassed marine and miko first

>>2261949
They didn't not learn from coco on how to react.

Ignoring the issue, and stop streaming gets the mob angry. They must make an statment inmediatly, and DO NOT stop streaming, making the internet move forward.

>>2262005
>>2261934
>the author felt that using his work for pranks was disrespectful, so angry internet mob attacked miko and marine. Miko and Marine
lrn2read

>>2261817
>so angry internet mob attacked miko and marine
Other way around, really. Angry internet mob attacked the author after it became clear she was going to go public with her shitstorm.
Thus the "Woe is me oh poor me someone cry for me Argentina" act where they pretend they were the victim all along when it was their own personal actions to go after this in the first place.

I doubt there are even enough fujos in Japan that even know which Gundam BL manga they were describing because it sounds like a mash between all of them.

>>2261954
>professional
Wasn't it just some literally who doujin author and not a professional?

>>2261934
They weren't suspended, watch Miko's announcement stream, it has an official english subtitle, she decided to lay low after the GTA stream waiting for the drama to cool down

>>2262059
Still a professional if they make a living off of it.

>>2262068
I said apparently suspended. What the fuck were the fans supposed to think when she dropped off like that?
Also I have a bridge to sell you if you believe the management didn't intervene line.

>>2261635
Lol, it's a bullshit just to calm down the fans.
I'm sure they hate each other.

>>2247835
If this was the doujin that's some decent art skills there.
>>2251527
>>2262050
Being sort of familiar with how doujin circles and artists work, I can say that author in particular is being a greedy cunt that fucked herself over not getting some of the money VTubers make. One of those unspoken rules is to not draw attention like that onto yourself as an artist or your work because it can get the IP holders to breathe on your neck. That sort of thing gets solved through DMs or backstage, so I'd believe some other artist told that bitch to bow down. If all she wanted was money from free advertising all she could have done is to nudge and say "hey, that doujin VTubers are talking about is mine. Check it here".
I'm kinda new to the VTuber scene but I find it funny that thread shits on fujos when Marine apparently is one.

>>2245512
Why would anyone choose to watch garbage because of a minor thing like this?

>>2262068
Well, it was a de facto suspension.

>>2261954
??? How does the author not being at fault for making those tweets imply that Marine is forcing her? The implication is that those tweets weren't wrong, and the people attacking her for it are stupid. The prior sentence is that the situation would have resolved more peacefully without any public tweets, but it's not her fault people started harassing her for correct takes.

This is as stupid as saying "Oh no, the people attacking Marine FORCED her to do a prank using that doujin. She LITERALLY had no choice but to stream it. Rabid antis and fujos forcing poor Marine to not act like she has no agency?"

>>2262004
Not sure if you're the same guy as above, but it's still the same strawman. No one is saying Marine and Miko forced her to do anything. Whether she wants to be whiny or petty on Twitter is her right to do so without being harassed. Not sure where you're seeing "insanely unpopular either". People saying the author was petty is one thing, but the entire there were 2 sides in this is because asking for permission before using a creator's work is a pretty common thing.

Not sure how you're reversing the timeline either. She made the tweets, then she was attacked. Why are you acting as if there was any implication of "rabid fans" forcing her to tweet anything?

>>2262095
They don't make a living off of it.

>>2262005
>>2261949
How would the "author's fans" attack first if people only recognized her as the author after her tweets? Where would her fans even be when she's a literal nobody?

>>2262659
One reason she asked to take the video down/cut the part out is because she didn't want to stand out. Yes, I'm sure the person who privated their twitter shortly after was trying to draw attention to themselves instead of tweeting whatever not realizing she would have tens of thousands of people suddenly reading her tweets.

>>2263832
>doesn't want to stand out
>start tweeting about it
>people only realize it's her because she tweets about it
If she didn't want to get noticed she should not have complained about it, which then it's hard to believe when some of her complaints involve money and copyright. To me it looks like she privated when shit went down the wrong way for her. If all she wanted was to not get attention, she should have contacted Marine and Miko through DMs first because, again, this is what artists and doujin groups do when they see their stuff out in the open. This is also the reason why scanlation groups for BL doujins keep a low profile, because artists and groups don't like seeing their stuff on sites like MRM and nhentai, both for sales reasons and the concern the IP holders can trace them like that, which takes it back to want to take down the doujin material with as little drama as possible.

>>2264912
She DMed them at the same time she made those tweets. Venting to your 2k followers is not what I would call "standing out" especially not in comparison to having been associated with someone in an official company with 700k+ followers.

Scanlation groups constantly have their stupid shit leaked on Discord. If they DM for a takedown, and go onto a public discord and type "zzzz nhentai reuploaded our scan again and now we have to message them for a takedown. Not really fair that they're making ad money off off aggregating our work", and they get blown up to reddit front page for complaining about aggregators when they're scanlating are you really going to blame them for "they should've known better than to vent in public".

>>2245428
absolutely agree

https://www.bitchute.com/video/V1YbsIjWNkLn/