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CURRENT PROMPTS

>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about the food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What are the common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much do the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?
>Development
What's your nation's current goals now. What are you trying to aim for your development? Would said development make your people happy?

>>22309569
Reposting the conclusion of Melisende's (current) story: https://rentry.org/Melisende
See >>22291384 for some comments I had regarding it. As usual, feedback and questions are always welcomed!

We need to write a new tldr-invitation for more reps
Especially for generals without any reps

How popular are fruit preserves in this world?

Announcement:
Pure Vitubium can only be extracted by atheists. That is all.

>>22311394
Explain the science.

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>>22312279
No good war without espionage...

>>22311394
How would there be atheists in a world where obvious deities exist?
Anti-theists make more sense.
Accept there exist higher beings, but chose to oppose them because 'muh free will'. Literally japanese media trope

>>22310221
>whole ass novella length
i need anthroscopic surgery

Hoping to write a short story through a 24 hour fast. When I see bread dogs I droll. Would carrots and peas go with pot roast beef and potatoes?

WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS WE BUILDING BOATS

>>22312394
Funny enough in NV if lanius gets to be in charge I think vulpes effectively gets put out of the job. WARanon I like to believe is wiser and knows that Intel is just as key as strength, if not more important.

>>22313531
Did you find your stainless steel tools on the black market yet?

>>22312550
>How would there be atheists in a world where obvious deities exist?
They vehemently believe that chuubas, every single one, are not real. That they are figment of imagination. That anyone trying to become a chuuba is merely making a tulpa, or is suffering from hallucinations. They think everyone else is a schizo.
Does that make them the real schizos? Probably.
>>22312167
We know Vitubium is affected by the land it is located in and by the beliefs of the people it's surround by. As mentioned with the previous Ainite extraction post, it is likely that unaffiliated Vitubium would start undergoing changes as people get closer to it, to match their beliefs.
Therefore, the theory is that, when approached by an atheist, who believes chuubas themselves are not real, the Vitubium would have nothing to be associated with,and would thus remain neutral.
Other theories are that Vitubium turns into Anti-Vitubium (I was gonna call it antitubium, but I feel like that can be used for something related to antis) when approached by them, or that the source of Vitubium simply vanishes to match their beliefs.

>>22314490
Maybe the deal is going south...

>>22314623
hmm, maybe it could be something like a particular view into divinity, by fucking around with the concept of divinity in the world we could come up with something for potential atheism, it'd be much different from our definition, but in-universe it'd be considered as such. Even in our world, many philosophers had their own specific view of what god is and was and how he acted through the world.

Is /meat/ antitheistic since they support deicide?

>>22314964
they have their own gods, and they believe what they are doing is in favour of the world and the heavens too, so probably not, they don't reject the teachings of gods either, they are simply more selective.

>>22314649
Well the stolen tools have to be smuggled south to /risu/.

>>22314623
>I WORSHIP THE ANTI-VTUBER!!! HE KNOWS ALL THAT IS REAL AND ALL THAT IS NOT!!! VTUBERS ARE A PLAGUE OF ESCAPISM THAT KEEP US IMPRISONED IN THIS HELL HOLE OF A WORLD!!! ONLY THE ANTI-VTUBER HOLDS THE POWER OF TRUTH THAT EXPOSES VTUBERS FOR THE THOTS THAT THEY ARE!!! RAPE TO ALL VTUBERS AS THE DOMESTICATED WHORES THAT THEY ATE!!!
Did I schizo good?

Gentlemen?

>>22315439
>Black Market trader receives message from a pigeon
>it's from his locally hired middleman for the exchange
>"The Deal with /Risu/ went South"
>all is well

>Did I schizo good?
What's an anti-Vtuber in this context?

/vsj+/ national anthem - On our way!
https://streamable.com/zc52rp

I tried to get the thread to record themselves singing it so i could splice them together into a chorus, but obviously i'm the only autist in that thread so everyone made fun of it instead. I have not seen any national anthems here so i thought i would be the first

>>22316102
The anti-vtuber is Marche from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. He is the protagonist of this world of escapism and lies. His mission is to expose the real world women behind the vTuber persona for the e-thots that they are. He is the bane of simps, the antithesis of parasocial relationships.

>>22316154
we have many talented people, now if only we had singers. unless you were singing and i'm just deaf. too bad your thread doesn't have many interested in this, but for some reason this doesn't surprise me

also, I vote we make "pilgrimage" by nine inch nails the /meat/ anthem, and have the lyrics be nigh incoherent screaming in a creole of nahuatl and old norse

>>22316154
Hey, that's "B пyть" right? Nice choice.

>>22316949
I do have a version of me singing, but it sounds retarded, The thing is, if multiple people were singing like retards, it would sound like a badass chorus
>>22317143
It is! But it's based on the DDR version (superior version btw) "Unterwegs!"

Well i guess its time to write risu visiting morig. As soon as i set up my new phone ill do it

>Get started writing a paragraph.
>Stop writing because next paragraph involves food.

I hate fasting.

>>22318117
are you not allowed to mention food or do you just not want to be hungry?

Wouldn’t it be cool if we did an ai dungeon campaign together? It would be like the avengers of this thread. It’s a perfect setup too because you can just copy paste the lore into the ”things the ai should remember” section. Imagine rping as your empress’s slave

>>22318285
I just not want to be hungry. I'll skip writing this section and go straight to the next.

>>22310221
>do daily kanji reps
>kanji for hermitage appears
>look up common compound words
>picrel
I don't wanna join the /meat/ cult...

>>22318379
I put a few chapters of a story into AI dungeon's best AI and it tried recreating kikinese, to utter failure might i add, but it was interesting to see

>>22310221
>the constable is good at brewing coffee, a /meat/ export
How did I not see it coming! Melisende can't even connect those dots, so it's a detail specifically inserted for the reader to notice. Great job with the twist and the story as a whole, anon. Hopefully we see Mel again someday.

>>22318379
How is aidungeon these days? I stopped following it when they went full retard with censorship restrictions.

>>22319388
sucks

Speaking of coffee. /nasa/ does have their own coffee on the greenhouses. Coffee is a primary source of caffeine which is also synthesized in medicine. Also Sana is very big into cafe culture. So coffee making along with bread making is a profession. /nasa/ also has a variety of ways to prepare modern coffee. We even have instant coffee where you just add hot water. Plus we have a variety of ways to prepare creams for both hot and iced coffee.

>>22319740
Oh, /who/'s coffee attempts would be trying to pack as much caffeine as possible into a cup, we can't really grow coffee with our weather thought, so it'd mostly be imported from Anya-Petra Global

>>22319979
Once the civil war arc in /nasa/ is over /who/ needs to taste frappes and other iced coffee.
>inb4 where does /nasa/ milk come from?
Like meat, the milk is a secret.

>>22314623
i think anti-tubium makes more sense, pure vitubium should be impartial, but unstable. beliefs shouldn't affect it physically, but should affect the effect in an uncontrollable and chaotic way until it is made partial to a specific belief via mixing with activator substances and what not. i may have missed the "ainite extraction post" so could someone link it?

>>22321698
It was spoilered so it was easy to miss >>22229344. It's a fic obviously but it can be worked on

>>22309925
Luknight Religion:
>Most Luknights practice Naaism, a belief that you can get closer to the hime by meditating on the syllable: 'Naaaaaaaaaaa'. Deeply devout Naaists believe all meaning can be conveyed with just 'Naaaaa' if both the speaker and listener are fully attuned to the ways of Luna. Other sects believe the word 'Nanora' is required.

Candy Kingdom Food:
Most agriculture uses cold-resistant sugar, known to be the sweetest on holoearth, and is also Candy Kingdom's largest export. Other than that, lots of cold climate vegetables and fruit. Candy Kingdom is second in the world for sweet berry exports (after Hoomans). There are also pig ranchers in the warmer south, called 'Bunaitos'.

When /nasa/ is no longer under lockdown I need to discuss with /who/ on running the bakery. I get the feeling that if compromise goes as planned then we may see the principal resign from office. Since he's good at making deals regardless of what the law says he could run the bakery. He's going to have no pensions so he can't retire. Also we need to discuss with /who/ about the bakery's menu. While we could go with the usual staples for bread I think for the first month we should have a menu of "exotic space bread". Mostly croissants, sweet breads, milk bread, cakes, and other pastry recipes that's plausible with /nasa/'s hand cranked mixers that would be otherwise impractical by hand.

>>22323039
Alcohol and Drink:
>Luknights love sweet drinks, and whiskeys recommended by the Hime. In nearly every village, you can find a 'Club Luna' where the mama dresses and acts likes the princess while she serves thirsty Luknights.

Clothing:
>Plate Armor, or clothes that look like plate armor. There is serious plate armor, but also a lighter, more flexible armor for formal wear, used like a tuxedo. Softer clothes are typically pink, purple, or lime green.

Development
>Candy Kingdom is currently looking to develop its mineral resources, which involves both expanding the chuubanite mines and drilling for oil. Chuubanite in Candy Kingdom often takes the form of underground deposits of rock candy, chocolate, peanut brittle, and other sweet things. Rarely, it can be a special material that is forged into a special Luknight armor that turns weapons that strike it into sugar. Candy Kingdom also has a few gold, iron and bauxite deposits.

>>22323039
>>22323576
pog a luna knight

>>22323039

>>22323576
Development continued
>The Luknight military is gearing up over the land dispute over FestivaLuna Island, the island north of Masturiland. Both Luknights and Masturilanders believe the island is theirs, and occupy about half of the island.

>>22323039
>>22323576
Don't forget to tag the anchor as well. >>22309569
Welcome to the thread!

>>22323039
>>22323576
>>22323719
>>22309569

>>22323576
So my question is how does mineable candy form? Are the candies underground formed from concentrated sugar sap from local flora?

>>22323705
this was a mistake

>>22323815
No, chuubanite takes on the 'character' of a region's guardian chuuba.

>>22322188
i made a few suggestions about how the magic aspects of chuubanite would work. there is no reason why the material itself would change at all depending on who handles it. there are essentially two different realms to consider, your beliefs only effect the "heavenly" realm/the conceptual realm, which is where all the magical effects come from. idk terminology so i'll just refer to it all as chuubanite because that's how we used to talk about it. the chuubanite in our universe changes depending on what substance it binds with, nothing about that involves our beliefs. the chuubanite in the conceptual universe changes depending on the concepts influencing it, so the substances in our universe have no bearing on it beyond symbolism and association, which is why activator substances can focus the effects. pure chuubanite is impartial, every concept acts through it without regulation, and so the effects are chaotic and uncontrollable, activator substances cancel out anything that isn't related to the substance's concepts, and therefore adds resistance to undesired magical effects on the physical side of the interaction, whereas beliefs add resistance to undesired magical effects on the conceptual/heavenly side of the interaction. if anything, pure chuubanite would have more in common with omnitheism, where every theology is believed, as opposed to atheism where none are, but that wouldn't matter in the physical sense because the substance itself isn't partial to beliefs, only it's conceptual counterpart. if we want to have a justification for only allowing certain people to handle it, it should be that pure chuubanite, being so chaotic and dangerous, needs someone with a strong dedication to their beliefs inorder to make the conceptual resistance as great as possible, otherwise it will be too chaotic for anyone to handle, and having it used by someone who believes in a god that the pure chuubanite is least likely to react harshly to /meat/ chuubanite effect, as an example, is a sped-up version of the life cycle itself, which is fairly chaotic, so maybe someone whose effect is minimal, possibly due to the overall weakness of the god in question or alternatively, if the "pure" chuubanite isn't perfectly pure, and is able to resist only a few of them, then people from those sects would have a lower requirement to stabilize the effects. pure chuubanite isn't natural, and wouldn't last for very long on a radiometric dating sort of scale at least, see what half-life is referring to so it would probably have to be an experiment gone wrong, or someone trying to make pure chuubanite with faulty/nonexistent safety precautions. people were talking about mixing chuubanite with led to make it completely ineffective on the substance level, maybe atheists would have a similar effect for the conceptual level. having schizos who just refuse to believe what is right in front of them, and insist that everyone who believes in chuubas in general, be they transdimensional aliens or gods, in a setting with a clear magic system in it is kind of stupid. if they exist at all, they would be the types who would rightfully be put in mental asylums. these kinds of people would be schizos first and foremost, and atheism would just be one aspect of schizophrenia that they embody. atheists who believe the magical effects and the chuubas that we know exist in this setting since some literally exist in universe, not to mention janny attacks and what not, are merely aliens, or transdimensional beings, and thus shouldn't be considered gods might be more common. if these ideas are insufficient for your desires, we can find other ways around it, but atheists as described here >>22314623 would be an outlier that wouldn't make any sense to be a large faction of the population, even among schizos, given the setting. our depiction of schizos thus far have been that they know hidden truths, not that they fabricate bullshit out of thin air, but maybe we can mix it a bit, usually there is a method to their madness that makes sense if you think the way they do, but here, its presented in a way i can't justify given everything else.

So I guess I'm a bit slow writing the next part for /nasa/. On one hand I have an outline of what I want to do. On the other hand outside of starvation and med changes I had to spend a good chunk of my day imagining how the characters sound. I have a bad habit with character development where I tend to overthink my characters, even the side characters. That said over the years I did get better at slashing unecessary details. I wound up nailing the character's personality first try based on the prompt. This is just a musing.

Also does luna have peppermint? I really love peppermint coffee. Also I wonder if luna would be interested in ice cream.

>>22324254
Candy Kingdom has peppermint around the mountain ranges.

>>22324645
Peppermint is very popular around the winter in /nasa/. That said I wonder if Luknights would be interested in a North Holocontinent trade route. If /nasa/ gets their insulated ships and seaport then we should be able to trade north. Taking the north route will also be faster for /nasa/ to travel to /infinity/ as well.

>>22324074
Uhhh, hold on single paragraphchama, I'm going to try to TLDR this, do correct me if I'm wrong.

-Chuubanite works by bonding with substances and material, chemical elements.
-There is no character specific chuubanite because it does not work that way. (Only specific techniques to use it and the like).
-Pure chuubanite means omnitheism because it involves every chuuba and that's why it's unstable.
-Atheism means rejecting reality because in the setting chuubas are inherent to reality, and most act as gods or divine beings.
-Chuubanite effects the earthly realm (our world) through the heavenly realm (I think this is working off the /meat/ warp proposal)
-In our world Chuubanite is affected by the physical. In the heavenly realm Chuubanite is affected by the beliefs.

At least I think that's what you mean.

>>22324976
more or less. that is my interpretation of it, at least, but atheism isn't technically always a rejection of reality. just the kind of atheism suggested by that guy above. also, "character specific chuubanite" i am not entirely sure what you mean by that. the chuubas in this setting, as far as my interpretation of it goes, are concepual beings from another universe. they still exist, and they can influence the physical universe if there is chuubanite that they can act through, but belief and substances can hamper their ability to do that, which helps issolate the effects we want to create through chuubanite. the material can strengthen the conceptual bonds with one or more chuubas, but it's most important effect is weakening the conceptual bonds to the others so that the end result isn't so chaotic that it can't be used, same with how belief influences those interactions.

>>22325447
>character specific chuubanite
I meant Chuuba specific chuubanite. Meaning, that the chuuba does not affect the inherent properties of chuubanite, is that right?

/nasa/'s chuubanite is just a material that can absorb kinetic energy, possibly even to the point of creating wormholes. I think all chuubanite should have some chemistry with energy as well as matter. The chuuba specific chuubanite is mostly about location and how the thread culture handles it. I think with rushia eventually the chuubanite will return to a more natural form for whatever general takes its place. Then that general will adapt chuubanite to their needs.

>>22325560
chuubanite as in the material, or the magical effects that are caused by the material? the effects are very much chuuba-specific, but you have to make it that way through making the chuubanite bond with the right substances, and then holding the right beliefs. chuubanite as a material is basically just a radioactive rock that, according to the warp interpretation, as you put it, bridges the gap between two universes, one of which is conceptual.
>>22325677
this is the kind of idea i like the most, the magical effects can be distilled to a single concept at the core of the thread it represents. i want to see more of this kind of worldbuilding in the future.

Our chuubanite makes shit grow faster.

>>22326294
A quote from Charlie as a WIP.
"Sanana..." Charlie gasped. "When I get home, Mac, the first thing I'm gonna do is chug a couple of Fosties and find a whore." I huff for a moment. "A whore?" Charlie growls. "You bloody damn know she's a whore. Those goddamn squirrels kept shoving their arses in my face wanting to nut. I thought they wanted acorns or my handie game. Bloody squirrels wanted to be nutted. Fukken nutty nutters they are."

>>22178887
I'd like to bring this idea to the floor to discuss its canonicity, cuz I want to write a lore entry that would derive from it.

>>22324834
Candy Kingdom is part of the Northernholo Anpontan Trade Organization with /rbc/ Protectorate and Mel/Choco/Rosenthal Princessly States. We can ship over the ocean to either of those countries, then ship over land to /nasa/. In return, Himesama has heard of a delicacy called 'Astronaut Ice Cream' and wishes to know if the Sanallites could provide her with a sample.

>>22325677
I vote for Rushialand to have an 'uprising' that reduces it to a city state, and a joint ID3 state where the rest of the land is.

>>22326936
We still need some more time to prepare ice cream. Our station is still under lockdown. So we can't make any at this time. That said by the time you arrive the station will be back to order. We do have pastries and puddings you can try. Caramel flan pudding I think would be a popular treat. Cupcakes and muffins I think would also be fun treats for luna to try. We have many different flavors of cupcakes and muffins like birthday cake, chocolate, chocolate chip, strawberry, wildberry, carrot cake, and others.

>>22327149
I think there was a vote settling on making the rushialands a wasteland for now. Moving one of the ID3 threads eventually might be a good idea.

ok writing my shit. morig has fast boats but are they necessarily big or small? im trying to find things about boats in particular

>>22328962
20 seconds after this post i find the thing about the giant ass boat with almost 100 guns

>>22328962
I'm just going with my laymen's guess. Boat speed is affected by a variety of factors. The obvious one is weight. The lighter the boat the easier it is for the winds to push it. The other factor is the size and shape of sails. How much wind do you catch to push the boat vs how much control you need. Push the boat too much and it will capsize. The last factor is the shape of the boat because surprise water is a fluid. And boats of certain shapes will cut through the water easier than others. Boats are obviously more complicated than this. But I think that covers the general basics.

>>22328962
>>22329102
Yeah, we've got some big fast boats in the Black Fleet, and then a lot of smaller fast boats in the naval militia. Also, we're very good at canons. If you need help arming your Indo giga-warships, hit us up, we've got casting en masse down pat.

>>22326936
So I did some number crunching. We do have ice cream after all. We'll have chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry. We can bundle all three flavors into one container as Neapolitan. We also have sea salt ice cream if you want something more savory. Sadly we can't take ice cream too far out of the station without it melting. So you'll have to come visit us if you want ice cream.

>>22330365
Well, I will consult himesama to see if she can make a diplomatic visit. I have no doubt she will find much to love in your lands, nanora.

>Note ive always considered myself a pretty shit writer and am better off coming up with details rather than actually doing anything with them.
The 1st Sabatangan fleet makes way for morig. Being the first fleet ever constructed by risuners, it is also the first fleet to make contact with an unknown nation. So far risuners have only had contact with /inf/, /meat/, and to a lesser extent /mep/.
Among their way they notice something immediately. Their are boats that look very different than anything ever seen. Even the boats of /inf/ dont look anything like these. Furthermore they seem to be everywhere. It seems that morig has some sort of massive navy.
"Holy shit what the actual fuck is that thing" Closing the distance to shore the eager but somewhat concerned risuners see a massive ship in the docks made out of partially metal with what appear to be loads of cannons coming out of it.
The 5 boats of the risuner exploration fleet finally make way to the shore and set up camp. Out of the less than one hundred risuners who made it, only 20 or so are armed with any kind of weapons and most are stone spears or bows. 2 have axes made of bog iron.
"Ok everyone. I know a lot of us are a little worried now from seeing the sheer size of their navy and immense firepower but that doesn't mean they're necessarily hostile." A few minutes after setting up the camp a few strange looking men approach
"Calm down Reza, they dont seem to be hostile."
"I'll be fine. I wasnt chosen to be fleet commander out of chance you know. Anyway tell the others to prepare for anything while i initiate first contact."
what do deadbeats do assuming this is how it would play out? Or would it go differently? im curious to hear back from you lot

>>22312700
I tried to keep it short, but I guess it's hard (at least for someone like me who doesn't write for a living) to compress a mystery story too much without losing what makes it intriguing.

>>22318710
Don't look up what abbess means as slang in jolly ol' England

>>22319215
Kudos for spotting that subtle hint! I do try to salt the story with tiny clues like that, so that readers with a keen enough eye (or at least having the same wavelength as me) can deduce the truth sooner than Mel did in the story. Of course, she didn't have the same omniscience as us.To be fair, Melisende probably never realise where the coffee bean's from, since it isn't listed as a major export to /kfp/.
If I ever have another story where she can shine, I might well bring her back. I do hesitate a bit about that since Mel's job means an active Mel would likely translate to /kfp/ having at least one rather crappy town when it comes to extralegal activities.

>>22330897
Watch out for wooly mammoths on the wat. Though /nasa/ is having a fun time watching them. They're like elephants but hairy. The mammoths also have taken a liking to our wheat bait that we put out. We're trying to tame mammoths to use as beasts of burden.

I find that I write better after the complete brainrot of Mumei's streams

>>22331500
For me its having a full stomach.

>>22331054
Does Risu have any fishing villages? If so, deadbeats would already be aware of you guys, merchants and patrols would move along your coast while going along the circumference of the Holosea. The deadbeats you meet would probably go "Ah, risuners! You guys have boats now? Nice." If there were no settlements on the coast and risuners were entirely unknown, we'd likely go "Oh, squirrel people, that's new. Tavern's over there, try the wine. Where're yall from?"

>>22331210
>/kfp/ having at least one rather crappy town
Kek the Gotham syndrome.

>>22331793
Risuners would do fishing in silvanus mainly. Risu would mainly be unseen by most until inf came about and made us realize HOLY SHIT THERES COOL STUFF OUTSIDE OUR LANDS WE NEED BOATS! I mentioned in lore that their settlements are in the forest with silvanus being the exception. So i suppose you would know we exist.

>>22332024
Makes sense! Since we've only seen one settlement, we'd probably underestimate how big your population is, thinking you guys are like just a single tribe chilling at Silvanus.

Hey buds, how's it growing?

>>22323039
We have a luknight among us! Welcome to this thread! Would you like me to take a look at the climate of the land? If so, please tell me if you have any specific things (environment, flora and fauna) you want luknight to have - I'll try my best to squeeze it in while keeping it plausible.

>>22327852
It's currently a wasteland from what I can tell. I think we're waiting to see if a certain someone's going to take her place. That said, I'm not too sure if we should put an ID3 thread there, unless one of them has a thread that's much closer to holoJP threads than the ID ones. Might be for the best if we can see some of the nearby inactive countries can be chipped down for them.

>>22331054
It's fine, we all started the same way. What's matter is keep trying and having fun doing that. As for the story, it would be interesting to see how they handle first contact. Do they even share the same language?
Also, would you object to me writing about risuners? I don't think I ever got an answer when I probed about the possibility of risuner diaspora from ancient raids.

>>22332368
Rosebud? We were talking about missing you just last thread.

>>22332368
Where the FUCK have you been?

>>22332368
Rosebud? Is that you? We miss you!

>>22332328
Oh yeah since risuners fuck constantly theres actually a fuckload of us just in the forests. Anyway I hope you like my version of how I think first contact would be like. I really did spend like half an hour researching your rentrys. OH and i hope you dont mind being paid in nuts.

>>22332433
>>22332465
>>22332512
Sorry guys! I had some real life stuff catch up to me so I had to take time off of the internet to deal with it. Don't worry though, it's all taken care of now.

>>22332368
HOLY FUCKING SHIT ROSE I MISSED YOU MY DUDE!!!
>>22332376
If you wish then go right ahead. Im curious

>>22332550
Looking forwards to it! We could use some nuts, yeah, especially magic ones.

>>22332573
Have a cookie.

>>22323576
>where the mama dresses and acts likes the princess while she serves thirsty Luknights.
"serves"?

>>22332882
thing about our magic is it requires risus blessing. So after about a year or less they will just be nuts. Unless your land is magic as well?

>>22332573
btw rose. Risu has placed you as priority 2 target. Were coming for your butts and your nuts

>>22333171
Our land is pretty magic, but it's quite different magic, it doesn't affect growth rate.
But your growth acceleration magic would likely result in your nuts being produced faster and at a lower cost than other kinds of nuts, so those magic nuts would have an advantage on the market since you could undercut other nut producers while still making a profit. So it would be advantageous for /morig/ to buy your magic nuts instead of other nuts, even if the magic properties are not useful to us.
TLDR: The real nut magic is that you're bringing affordable nuts to the market through market forces.

>>22333542
by the way. You would notice we use shitty stone weapons or bog iron. And risuners think bog iron is fucking pog in comparison to what they have. Dont you guys have a warrior culture with some real badass tier weaponry?

It might take a while to restock but /nasa/ will sell preserved rations and hydrate-aid (like gator-aid) again. Speaking of space rations has anyone tried them yet?

>>22333675
Oh yeah, we've got some fairly advanced metalworking, that's how we make all those cannons and plate our hulls in bronze. Our melee weapons are Japanese-inspired, wakizashis, katanas, nodachis, naginatas, all this good stuff. /inf/ will have more advanced industrial steelworks, but we're pretty good.

>>22333064
Thanks!
>>22333366
Ooo, I feel special now. We'll be sure to prepare a big feast and festival for you all!

>>22332573
It's fine, real life comes first. Glad to have you back, though! Have a grounded Rosemi as gift

>>22332649
My original pitch is that in the distant past, when /meat/ raids were more common and large-scale, a decent amount of risuners were taken to /meat/. They did die eventually (as all do), but some of them live long enough and in a comfortable enough position to have offsprings, who gradually integrated into /meat/ society. One idea I'm toying around is that they eventually met the risuners from the homeland (either as part of the growing relationship between the two, or one got into a shipwreck and get rescued by the other). I feel it would be a nice way to examine the different psyche on both sides. That said, is there any established "national psyche" of sort for risuners? I can deduce that they're quite into nature and have a preference for nuts (in more than one way).

>>22334159
Japan has the best blacksmiths in the world. They just have shit for iron because it comes from sand not ore. Also once /nasa/ starts digging up iron and zinc then /infinity/ is going to have competition in steelmaking. Galvanized steel beams are fantastic for construction.

>>22334693
Yeah, /morig/ has decent iron ore, but not huge quantities of it, we get most of our iron from the mountains of /kfp/, our ally.

>>22334693
>Japan has the best blacksmiths in the world
I don't think that's true, japanese iron was notoriously poor and good weaponry was reserved only for those that could afford it.

JAPANESE STEEL HONORABLY FOLDED ONE THOUSAND TIMES

>>22335398
A good blacksmith can make shitty materials work.

>>22334445
Last post before I sleep. Risuners are of course obsessed with nuts and are usually when not being really horny, lean toward the spiritual side. Theyre actually pretty chill during off hours but then again I haven't fleshed out their off time besides collect nuts and have sex.

>>22334693
>>22335398
>the katana discussion
It's like I'm on the Mount and Blade forums again... The best japanese weapons were about as good as the best western weapons, though they tended to be better at some things while the western weapons were better at others, because they were designed in different context with different requirements.
The shittiest japanese weapons were about as shitty as the shittiest western weapons, because no one cares that much about how you arm your peasants anywhere in the world as long as they can kill.
There are more high quality western weapons out there because they just had a lot more good steel to work with, while japanese blacksmiths had to process their iron to compensate for the higher amounts of impurities, a time-consuming and expensive process.

>>22335398
I think anon's point is that Japanese blacksmiths are (were?) amazing because they manage to work crap iron into something serviceable, not that Japanese swords are superior in quality compared with cultures with better iron sources. Then again, Japanese sword design is also heavily affected by the fact that Japan didn't have a lot of iron, so metal armour was rare, hence their preference for slashing swords instead of piercing ones.

>>22335868
So their hobbies are nutting and nutting?

>>22335513
That's generally the motif I think of when I think Japanese blacksmiths

>>22335887
Its funny because in terms of weapon output Europe would beat Japan simply because they have more iron of better quality. Which means a European blacksmith would spend less time forging a blade of decent quality than a Japanese blacksmith would. But then again swords are your last weapon of choice in a war. A samurai's choice killing weapon is the bow. Same with the knight's weapon of choice being the arbalest crossbow. Second weapon of choice would be clubs that smash armor.

This is a general question for weapons of this period: Since guns take a while to reload and only work in group tactics then would crossbows still be a viable option for a wandering adventurer? Even in the 1800s native Americans held their own with bow and arrows.

>>22336815
>crossbows still be a viable option for a wandering adventurer
Maybe? Might as well just carry pistols in a bandolier.

>>22336815
The short answer's yes.
The long answer's that it depends on what said adventurer is expecting to encounter, and whether they overlap with the benefits of crossbows (or other cold weapons) more or with guns.
Benefits of ranged cold weapons:
>Usuaully cheaper
>Usually less sensitive to weather
>Easier to resupply (especially true for non-arrow ranged weapons, like slings)
>In some cases, faster reload speed
>Quieter
Benefits of gunpowder weapons:
>Shock value
>Mostly independent of user's physical strength
>Easier to learn to use
>Lighter/more compact ammunition (compared with arrows and bolts)

In practice, most people at the time period make use of both kinds of weapons - gunpowder weapons were generally not reliable/cheap enough to be used all the time, and their range did not outpace cold weapons of the time that much. In terms of killing power, guns and bows were about the same, although it's dependent on a lot of variables. For wilderness use, slings might actually be the best choice despite how "primitive" it sounds.

>>22337313
Guns in general are pretty expensive to make. And you can't make ammo without a forge. Granted you could carry thousands of musket balls over carrying a hundred bolts. I suppose it depends on what bolts you use for a crossbow if making them can be done in the wild. At that point if you're crafting bolts then you're better off sticking with a bow.

>>22324074
>>22324976
I suggest reading Bylaws, Article 7,for things related to Chuubanite/Vitubium that have been voted on.
>-Chuubanite works by bonding with substances and material, chemical elements.
Yeah checks out
>-There is no character specific chuubanite because it does not work that way. (Only specific techniques to use it and the like).
Chuuba-specific Chuubanite exists, that's effectively the definition of Chuubanite l. Vitubium, on the other hand, is an element that is standalone.
>-Pure chuubanite means omnitheism because it involves every chuuba and that's why it's unstable.
I can see that, though my suggestion had gone in the direction of "assuming there is a pure Vitubium deposit that is stable enough to exist, an atheist handling it would be ideal, as they would not trigger any effects related to other concepts through their beliefs, and are therefore the safest option on handling the substance. "
>-Atheism means rejecting reality because in the setting chuubas are inherent to reality, and most act as gods or divine beings.
Yes, that's the point." Atheists" would possibly be a subset of schizos as they're literally rejecting realoty, though whether they would be in human societies or be up in the schizo wastes I'm not sure. The aim for that was to make pure Vitubium processing not only difficult due to its rarity and instability, but also requiring specific handlers, that scientists may need to send expeditions for in the schizo wastelands to search for, capture and train,although that may make it a bit too hard. It would make for good lore I think though.
>-Chuubanite effects the earthly realm (our world) through the heavenly realm (I think this is working off the /meat/ warp proposal)
>-In our world Chuubanite is affected by the physical. In the heavenly realm Chuubanite is affected by the beliefs.
Not sure I quite understand these concepts, some examples?
Also, to be clear, Vt by itself doesn't have inherent heavenly properties, but heavenly properties arise when it's part of a whole (minerals, organic substances etc) and steered in directions depending on the land it is in and its respective representative concept. The thought process was that, assuming pure Vitubium is unstable, obviously, so if a deposit stable enough to simply exist is found, any person holding a specific belief approaches it, they would give it a small push to start bonding with their surroundings, causing a chain reaction that destabilises the whole deposit. For example, assuming a hydrothermal vent of pure Vitubium, if a Deadbeat were to approach it, the Vitubium would bond with any Calcium present to transform the whole deposit into a bone-like mineral, a /meat/izen would realise that their metal alloy pressured diving suit starts rusting while plants and fish grow to maturity and wilt rapidly around them, a Rosebud or Risuner may suddenly find themselves surrounded by plant life that suddenly grew, a 35p would notice the temperature of the water increasing sharply before magma started pouring out the vent etc.

>>22331210
>Don't look up what abbess means as slang in jolly ol' England
Found it on urban dictionary, kek makes sense. Fun fact, the word for "nun" in Japanese is also used to call a woman "bitch/slut" as well, weirdly enough.

>>22333675
>risuners think bog iron is fucking pog
>pog iron
Heh.

>>22332376
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Candy Kingdom has cold resistant sugarcane and grows typical cold-hardy veggies and fruits otherwise. We also ranch lifestock (mostly pigs) in the south, and have horses for luknight cavalry, and grow what grains we can in the south as well.

The main idea of Candy Kingdom is that things are sweeter than they otherwise would be. I'm still trying to figure out how things would be (like where Himemori Castle would be) but I would like to hear your climate appraisal. I tried to gauge it around northern BC and southern Alaska, as that's where the latitudes are.

>A different Luknight showed up to write lore.
Well I think I'm going to finish off the stuff I wrote and post it here as non-canonical stuff I guess

>>22340655
The SOP of most threads is to discuss your lore entries among the relevant fanbase, and then once you settle on a "canon" you can anchor it. There are multiple people writing lore for most threads.

>>22340853
Ya I know and while the other luknight hasn't brought up his stuff to /luna/ I also know they generally have very little interest anything thats not directly related to luna so its not a big deal

>>22338294
>>22324074
I think in this universe atheism is a symptom of becoming a schizo
'I dont believe in gods because they are not gods! They are humans. Regular humans! Entertainers donning the masquerade of deities! And transmit their shows on an international scale for us suckers to pay them in tithe like a cult! They call themselves virtu-'
And in that moment a Janny spawn in the room and whisked the guy away, leaving behind hot-pocket crumbs.

>>22338294
>Not sure I quite understand these concepts, some examples?
the heavenly realm is the warp, or conceptual universe where chuubanite gets all of it's magical effects. or rather, vitubium, since i guess that is what we are calling the standalone element.. vitubium is a normal radioactive element, save for it's ability to bridge the gap between the real world and the conceptual realm. if you think of it as an electrical current between the energy source which exists in the conceptual realm, and the thing we desire to be energized which exists in the physical realm, with different types of energy flowing through a copper wire that represents the vitubium. the types of energy can be selected for only if you add a resisting substance, think of the rubber that you would typically cover a copper wire in, otherwise it will send energy everywhere without much ability to direct it. there are two things being represented by this resistant material covering the wire. the substance which the vitubium has bonded to, and the conceptual energy from the one using it, ie their beliefs. if you think of the different energies as competing against each other to flow through the wire, then belief is when a kind of energy floods both sides, effectively forcing that conceptual energy type to outcompete all the rest. when there is no beliefs or material to weigh the scale, no single energy type should be able to outcompete the others, resulting in a rapid fluxuation between all viable energy types that is impossible to coordinate or predict. an atheist holding it would put an equal resistance on all, but it would fail to skew the results, meaning there would still be a chaotic response, just not as strong as when it is without any resistance, which is still unreasonably strong. it is easier to swim with a current than against one, so it might be more effective to try to skew the result in favor of something you are prepared to handle as opposed to trying to resist everything at once. without a substance, it wont be 100% effective regardless of who is handling it, but at least you know what you will get most of the time if you try to make it partial instead of trying to oppose everything equally, and thus putting up with the unpredictability. people keep hearing the phrase "heavenly" and assuming that automatically means religion. "heavenly realm" "conceptual universe" and "warp" all mean the same exact thing, it is only interpretation/application that changes. vitubium has an inherent "heavenly" property in that it can bridge the gap between universes. if it helps at all, "heavenly" in this context could more easily refer to space, or the celestial make up of our universe, than any religious belief, but regardless of what word you use to describe it, it is an inherent property for vitubium. vitubium doesn't bind to material when in the presence of people with a belief. if that were the case, then back when there wasn't anyone to have beliefs, vitubium wouldn't bind with anything, meaning it would always be in it's pure, unstable form, meaning there would never be people who could hold beliefs because the universe would be too chaotic. if the non-local presence of someone with an opinion were all it took for vitubium to bind with something, then vitubium as a substance would be impossible to create, because concepts are not a religious phenomenon, and even atheists have them. if pure vitubium veins existed, then primitive societies would not be capable of using vitubium without destroying themselves, assuming primitive societies even formed, see the first point. as far as i can recall, this is merely a handful of reasons we specifically agreed that vitubium binds with everything it is in contact with, regardless of who is handling it, i also thought we agreed it required physical contact for the magical effects to happen, otherwise we would need some kind of "luminiferous aether" or something, and merely being in the presence of someone with vitubium would be enough to interfere with it's effects. vitubium naturally binds with everything in physical contact with it, pure vitubium is a purely artificial substance that advanced civilizations can make at great personal risk to themselves for the opportunity to gain a more potent vitubium effect.

>>22344535
god fucking damnit mate, use paragraphs. I can't decipher this at all

>>22344535
Anon that seems cool and all but I beg you onegai use paragraphs.

>>22342793
this interpretation of what it means to be an atheist makes more sense. that is not what >>22314623 implied.
>They vehemently believe that chuubas, every single one, are not real. That they are figment of imagination. That anyone trying to become a chuuba is merely making a tulpa, or is suffering from hallucinations. They think everyone else is a schizo.
effectively, they think the chuuba isn't even a person, let alone a god. just a hallucination. this kind of atheist would probably not exist even as a schizo. the kind you describe makes more sense contextually.

>>22344626
>>22344654
sorry, i usually act more formal on the internet. i suggest using the highlighting function to parse the wall of text if you want to break it up, else i could just add some paragraphs to a new reply and delete the other.

>>22344808
If you're gonna do that get some upper-case letters at the start of sentence while you're at it kek. Personally, I was under the impression chuubanite became attuned to a certain chuuba because of the chuuba themselves, not through the belief of people aligned with the chuuba.

>>22344703
I guess this all depends more on the level of involvment chuubas take into the world, how would can we represent the watching of streams into the worldbuilding? most generals have written enviromental reasons for it, like /morig/'s volcano, actually, I think I remember reading that that's what chuubanite is meant to do now. would an atheist instead be someone that doesn't watch streams in that case? theology is odd.

>>22344944 (me)
This doesn't consider /here/chuubas either, fuck, I can't think of anything now.

>>22344944
As it turns out, religion becomes very different when there are incarnate gods around. That is a point where Vitubia differs from WH40k: Chaos gods arise from the beliefs and actions of the world. In Vitubia, the gods live and die according to the events of the Heavenly Realm (where the vtubers stream) and the people of Vitubia simply suffer the consequences, unable to affect the other side very significantly Until /vt/ schizos actually manage to graduate a chuuba..

>>22338294
>Not sure I quite understand these concepts, some examples?
the heavenly realm is the warp, or conceptual universe where chuubanite gets all of it's magical effects. or rather, vitubium, since i guess that is what we are calling the standalone element.
vitubium is a normal radioactive element, save for it's ability to bridge the gap between the real world and the conceptual realm. if you think of it as an electrical current between the energy source which exists in the conceptual realm, and the thing we desire to be energized which exists in the physical realm, with different types of energy flowing through a copper wire that represents the vitubium. the types of energy can be selected for only if you add a resisting substance, think of the rubber that you would typically cover a copper wire in, otherwise it will send energy everywhere without much ability to direct it. there are two things being represented by this resistant material covering the wire. the substance which the vitubium has bonded to, and the conceptual energy from the one using it, ie their beliefs.
if you think of the different energies as competing against each other to flow through the wire, then belief is when a kind of energy floods both sides, effectively forcing that conceptual energy type to outcompete all the rest. when there is no beliefs or material to weigh the scale, no single energy type should be able to outcompete the others, resulting in a rapid fluxuation between all viable energy types that is impossible to coordinate or predict. an atheist holding it would put an equal resistance on all, but it would fail to skew the results, meaning there would still be a chaotic response, just not as strong as when it is without any resistance, which is still unreasonably strong. it is easier to swim with a current than against one, so it might be more effective to try to skew the result in favor of something you are prepared to handle as opposed to trying to resist everything at once. without a substance, it wont be 100% effective regardless of who is handling it, but at least you know what you will get most of the time if you try to make it partial instead of trying to oppose everything equally, and thus putting up with the unpredictability.
people keep hearing the phrase "heavenly" and assuming that automatically means religion. "heavenly realm" "conceptual universe" and "warp" all mean the same exact thing, it is only interpretation/application that changes. vitubium has an inherent "heavenly" property in that it can bridge the gap between universes. if it helps at all, "heavenly" in this context could more easily refer to space, or the celestial make up of our universe, than any religious belief, but regardless of what word you use to describe it, it is an inherent property for vitubium.
vitubium doesn't bind to material when in the presence of people with a belief. if that were the case, then back when there wasn't anyone to have beliefs, vitubium wouldn't bind with anything, meaning it would always be in it's pure, unstable form, meaning there would never be people who could hold beliefs because the universe would be too chaotic. if the non-local presence of someone with an opinion were all it took for vitubium to bind with something, then vitubium as a substance would be impossible to create, because concepts are not a religious phenomenon, and even atheists have them. if pure vitubium veins existed, then primitive societies would not be capable of using vitubium without destroying themselves, assuming primitive societies even formed, see the first point. as far as i can recall, this is merely a handful of reasons we specifically agreed that vitubium binds with everything it is in contact with, regardless of who is handling it, i also thought we agreed it required physical contact for the magical effects to happen, otherwise we would need some kind of "luminiferous aether" or something, and merely being in the presence of someone with vitubium would be enough to interfere with it's effects.
vitubium naturally binds with everything in physical contact with it, pure vitubium is a purely artificial substance that advanced civilizations can make at great personal risk to themselves for the opportunity to gain a more potent vitubium effect.

>>22344934
i'm sorry if it bothers you, but i'm also still not going to do that. this is a 4chan post, formalities go out the window so that ideas can take the center stage. if more people treated the internet as serious business, then a lot of what makes it so fun would be lost. i've added paragraphs to it, i didn't put much effort into it, but it should still be sufficient to make reading it easier. hope it makes it easier for you.

>>22345381
>i'm sorry
Eh, it's no biggie, it's not really about formality. Upper-case letters at the start of sentences just increase readability and help get across what you're saying more efficiently. I definitely don't think upper case letters are anti-fun kek. But you do what you want anon, I'm not the syntax police.

How about using SCP terms.
Vtubium has innate 'memetic' properties where its nature is dependent on the beliefs of the local society.
If you want to obtain pure vtubium, you would need a medium that is neither sentient nor with a soul. That way the material will not detect any presence of a belief and stays pure.
While this sounds easy and technical on paper, it is difficult to do because every sentient being has a belief. Even if they are personal and not part of an established faith.

>>22345519
ty, and if you don't mind me asking, is it easier to read now?

>>22345794
Yea it is! And basically my take is that the way things have been written, Vitubium-attunement to a given vtuber seems to be a result of the influence of the vtuber, rather than necessarily caused by the believers. This would explain why the vitubium could be attuned in some way even if there were no people.

>>22344944
My headcanon;
When a chuuba 'streams', it's like how revelations are being delivered
Some are direct. Ie a priest, shaman, leader etc receiving flashes of knowledge.
Some are passive such as natural events. Like a meteor striking down a specific location with obvious messaging in the cinders.
Some are transmitted by dreams.
Some are delivered by an angel/messenger. A person suddenly appears out of nowhere, drops the latest yab from the heavens, and leaves. These could either be people who have access to the heavens like /asp/ or /here/ deities in disguise
/here/ deities are direct. They won't need mediums.

>>22345924
Imo, the presence of types of vtubium is dependent on the influence of said chuuba.
Coco is gone, but her power can still be found.
Some of the popular /wvt/ can be difficult to find
The Five Kings? Absolutely mythical.

>>22340412
It's actually pretty close, funnily enough, although maybe a bit more eastward.
The climate of the Candy Kingdom will be generally cold and somewhat dry (although not too dry to support vegetation). It has a mostly continental climate, fittingly given its location near the centre of the holo continent. It can be divided into three major climate zones, their borders marked by the mountain ranges in central Candy Kingdom:
>Humid Continental (Dfa/Dfb)
Also known as Laurentian climate, humid (relative to inland desert) continental climate is known for its warm summer and cold winter. Due to its distance from moderating bodies of water, it has a wide temperature range, giving it a classical four-season environment.
In the distant past, it might be covered in mixed woodland and grassland, but its optimal climate and soil condition (also known as chernozem or mollisol) means human activities have likely converted the majority of it into vast grassland and, in particular, rich farmland.
The most famous examples of this climate IRL is the Eurasian Steppe, the Great Plains, and the Prairies - with the latter two known as the breadbasket of their respective country. Common crops include wheat, maize (if in the right ecozone), barley, oats, and millet. Other crops of interest include beets (where sugar can be extracted), flax, apple, and plums. In the wild, the vast grassland is also suitable for grazing and animal husbandry.
The division between hot-summer (Dfa) and warm-summer (Dfb) humid continental is determined by whether its warmest month has an average temperature above 22°C/72°F. The line would likely overlap with the yellow region and the pale green region in the middle due to an increase of both latitude and altitude.

(1/2)

>>22346332
>Subarctic Continential (Dfc/Dfd)
Subarctic continental climate is the colder variant of humid continental climate. Here, the weaker sun leads to decreased water evaporation and longer winter, allowing it to support trees - specifically, conifer forest, also known as taiga.
The most famous examples of this climate IRL is, of course, the Siberian taiga, although it also covers a significant part of Alaska and northern Canada. As expected, this climate is too cold for many of the more common food crops, although cold-resistant crops like potato and cabbage can still be grown during the short, warm summer. Further up north, the severe cold weather can lead to formation of underground permafrost - ground that never thraws. Because water cannot pass through ice easily, rainfall will accumulate in the soil above, resulting in seasonal wetland. During summer, the melting ground will render the terrain virtually impassable.
>Alpine Tundra (ET)
Along the mountain range that divides the country, alpine tundra dominates the highland above the tree line (1500m~2000m at this latitude). Here, the cold environment due to elevation prevents tree growth, meaning only hardy grass, lichen, and mosses can grow here. Above a certain point, the temperature falls to a point where permanent ice cap might form, leading to the even more bleak ice cap climate.
This climate is found in the highest points of the world, which IRL includes the Tibetan plateau and Yukon Ranges. As expected, this bleak landscape is borderline inhospitable without shelter, and the lack of food source means it is rarely inhabited on a large scale.

(2/2)

>>22346392
It should also be noted that due to the mixture of cold, dry polar wind from the north, and the warm, (relatively) moist temperate wind from the south, the valley in central Candy Kingdom might be subjected to extreme weather at times - think the Tornado Alley in central North America, although it is likely to be not as severe. The low precipitation also means thunderstorms and hailstorms would be more uncommon and mild.

(3/2... yeah, I forgot this part)

>>22345769
this interpretation is what i was disagreeing with. it has "memetic" properties as you say, but it it just a substance without any consciousness, and without any ability to "detect" any nearby beliefs, nor does it change in their presence. it's the, should we call it "memetic realm" that changes and produces an effect, not the vitubium itself. the vitubium is merely a medium through which the memetic and physical realms converge.
>>22346000
i thought it was purely through the vitubium that their influences were felt. dreams and what not are one way, just feeling a change is another. more advanced cultures like /nasa/ can more directly connect to the other universe to watch their streams, and /here/ chuubas are as you say. the fact that vitubium is everywhere leaves a lot of options, but the effect isn't going to be something so immediately apparent, it has to be caused chiefly by the vitubium itself. i suggest that streams have an energizing effect on the vitubium. they become stronger, but also potentially too strong. with all this said, however, we need a concept to accound for threads that aren't tied to a specific chuuba, such as the fetish threads such as /hag/, the company/group threads that are dedicated to multiple chuubas, such as /niji/, or the 4chan-specific/project threads, such as /nasfaqg/ also hybrid threads, such as /meat/ which is both a fetish thread, and a thread with a collection of /meat/ specific chuubas. i say that whenever the concept tied to the thread is active, it energizes the vitubium. this is literally the same thing as with the warp from warhammer. korne is energized by violence, slannesh by debauchery, tzeentch by duplicity, and nurgle by despair, and each gain a stronger foothold over the warp which they use to wage war against the others in an attempt to conquer the whole of it. this means the broader thread concepts will be energized most, but that need not be a balancing issue since we can control for supply and application difficulties, not to mention overall effects.

>>22346666
general horni thread has the strongest vtubium because every fetish energizes it

>>22347124
maybe stronger isn't the best word for it. slannesh in warhammer isn't really the debauchery god. he is empowered by excellence and the ambition towards mastering your craft, as a result he is empowered by every other god when they are empowered, and yet he is considered one of the weakest chaos gods. it's true that there would be more energy in general for vague threads, but that energy could be weaker than the more specific counterparts due to how vague the concept is. think of a cylinder that is used to contain a liquid. if the radius is long, it can store more liquid of the same height, but it takes more liquid to cover the first layer. meanwhile, a cilinder with a smaller radius would take less liquid to cover the floor, but will fill up much quicker in comparison. where i'm from, there are two types of soda cans, one that is longer, and one that is fatter, they both contain the same amount of liquid. if we say that the base is where the energy will be put to use, as in burned or what not, then the larger the radius, the more can be burned at any given time, the quicker it will be for it to burn out compared to a longer cylinder that contains the same amount of energy. the radius represents how strong the chuubanite effect is, but also how fast it takes to be depleted, where as the height represents the maximum amount of energy it can achieve, both of these are subject to change, it might be difficult for some of you to understand but i'll clarify later. vague thread concepts can hold a lot of energy because they are energized from many sources, but their vitubium effects might be weaker due to just how vague the concept is, think of a tall, thin cylinder to represent it. where as more specific concepts can hold less energy overall because there are fewer energy sources, sometimes the chuuba themselves is the only source, but it is stronger due to how specific the concept is. this is represented by a small, fat cylinder. there can also be cylinders that are both thin and small, think of specific thread concepts from chuubas that rarely stream, or cylinders that are both tall, and fat, relating to concepts that, while very specific, are found everywhere the fibonacci sequence is highly specific, yet everywhere we look it is found, as a result, it as a concept would be empowered by many sources, yet would be specific enough that it can have a powerful effect also, there are times when concepts are empowered by more things, and thus the cylinder shape would vary as a function of time or event, consider how the concept of the moon waxes and wanes depending on the lunar cycle. this can be a useful concept to figure out how the magical effects should be represented depending on the core concept that it relates to.

>>22348583
Fibonacci chuuba when?

>>22348704
you could argue there might be relation between kronies and pi, but that would be hard to argue, and there are better concepts that would work. i think /nasa/ being represented by newtonian laws of thermodynamics makes a lot of sense, at least from my understanding of sana and her personality/streaming tendencies body in motion stays in motion, she is inert when she doesn't feel like streaming, and she acts differently when she collabs than when she is alone, though the analogy breaks down a bit if you force it too far and as a /meat/head, the life cycle is basically everywhere, and our thread is, as i said, a hybrid of at least two different types of threads, so of course i would like this interpretation for personal reasons, but if anyone else has any feedback or alternative suggestions, that would be appreciated.

>>22348583
Interesting
More vague/general concepts means that it's more common and uses up quicker

>>22349026
vague concepts are generally slow burning candles, weak but reliable. specific concepts are generally fast burning candles, a brilliant spark that dies out in an instant. we are only talking about the magical effects here.

/meat/ thread up
>>22348386

>>22344535
>vitubium is a normal radioactive element
It was agreed upon that Vitubium is not radioactive, again, in the Bylaws.
>if that were the case, then back when there wasn't anyone to have beliefs, vitubium wouldn't bind with anything, meaning it would always be in it's pure, unstable form, meaning there would never be people who could hold beliefs because the universe would be too chaotic.
Everything after this is based on this assumption, but how do we know Vitubium existed before people arrived here? This universe, and this planet, may have existed sure, but if concepts/beliefs, and therefore people, are made to be a requirement for Vitubium to exist, then it would have only appeared when the split happened. After that, it would go through, perhaps expedited, natural processes to circulate around the globe. It may be a natural element with its own laws that was written into existence when humans and the deities/concepts they believed in arrived here.
Alternatively, there's no reason to assume pure Vitubium is like antimatter and just destroys everything. We can consider it a normal element, albeit a very very reactive one (think elemental/molecular radicals levels of reactivity) that stabilises itself by bonding with other elements, as it happens in nature. Hell it can be a rare earth element, but with the extra property of being connected to the heavenly realm.
In any case, even if the existence of Vitubium preceded the appearance of people on Vitia by any amount of time, the deities/concepts it gets the energy from wouldn't have been present either, as they require humans to exist. Therefore, it wouldn't be energised by the actions of said deities/concepts, and it would act as a normal element, with any specific properties and reactivity it may have.

>>22333366
This could double as a trade routes for /∞/.

For the few anons interested in climate, I compiled some of the resources I use for climate overview into a cheatsheet.

>>22349875
Look back at the history of /vt/-/jp/
Vtubium first appeared when the first Kizuna Ai thread appeared.
As more chuubas have threads on /jp/ more varieties sprung up.
Over time /jp/ gets overrun by vtuber tiberium until the split.
After the dimensional split, all the chuuba stuffs are sent to /vt/, /jp/ is finally cured of its tumors

>>22349875
>the deities/concepts it gets the energy from wouldn't have been present either, as they require humans to exist.
NTA, but is that a given? I don't feel like that is necessarily true. Given the power relation between /vt/ and vtubers, I feel like it makes more sense for the humans to receive energy from the deities than the other way.

>>22349992
"Northwestern" should be "Northeastern", fml

>>22349992
That's neat as fuck anon, thanks for sharing. Percipitation-> Precipitation

>>22349875
>Everything after this is based on this assumption
not an assumption, we literally talked about it some time ago, around the time we were discussing chuubanite as a substance, and came to the agreement that we wouldn't have pure vitubium veins for the reasons i stated. why would an entire element only come into existence after the billions or so years i would take for intelligent life to form? even if i give you this concession, pure vitubium is still unstable, and can still only be used by advanced civilizations that don't kill themselves because they accidentally came accross a pure vitubium vein before they could make use of it. the universe itself didn't exist before the first kizuna ai threads were made, we came to that conclusion recently. all of your suggestions have been specifically ruled out, and i don't see what you are trying to do by arguing so fervently for an alternative interpretation than the one we previously agreed to. the chuubas exist in an entirely separate realm, there are multiple realms, our realm that i refer to as the "physical realm" is actually just the 4chan realm, more specifically the /vt/ realm. the chuuba gods don't need us to exist, even if every other realm were devoid of life, the chuubas can exist in the conceptual realm by the very fact that they are concepts, regardless of whether or not there is someone to imagine them. it's how powerful they are that is effected by how many people have that concept, but it is also effected by just how much that concept is represented in physical reality. if the universe before life follows a concept, that concept can be influenced. this is why activator substances can have an effect on how the magic works.

>>22350310
* ruled out by prior agreements
should have clarified that.

>>22350310
>we literally talked about it some time ago, around the time we were discussing chuubanite as a substance, and came to the agreement that we wouldn't have pure vitubium veins for the reasons i stated.
Point out the thread, because I've been reading everything yet I don't remember it? Not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't recall it. >>22350310
>why would an entire element only come into existence after the billions or so years i would take for intelligent life to form?
Idk anon, why would millions of people suddenly appear on Vitia after the dimensional split? In any case, it doesn't necessarily have to appear along with thu humans (though that would be my preference), but it wouldn't be as energetic as it is now.
>>22350310
>pure vitubium is still unstable, and can still only be used by advanced civilizations that don't kill themselves because they accidentally came accross a pure vitubium vein before they could make use of it.
But I agree with this point? My point is that pure Vitubium, if it exists, is unstable and would require special high-risk procedures to be handled? Not sure what the disagreement is here. My point would be that people wouldn't find pure Vitubium in their land anyway because, being their land, it is affected by their beliefs, and thus the Vitubium also does so, forming region-specific Chuubanite.
>the universe itself didn't exist before the first kizuna ai threads were made, we came to that conclusion recently.
Again, point out the thread, because I certainly don't remember this. >>22350016 also kinda mentions this (though they don't mention it appeared in */vt/*), so, again, it probably happened and I missed it. My counterpoint to this would be that the /vt/ universe was made by the superior version of Jannies, the Mods, after noticing the manifestation of anomalies (perhaps due to Vitubium) in the /jp/ universe, and threw the sources of these anomalies in it. This universe, unlike /jp/, is made to accommodate the effects of Vitubium, and that's why this universe has an extra element, while other universe may not (/jp/ may have Touhounium or something, doesn't matter you get the point).
>and i don't see what you are trying to do by arguing so fervently for an alternative interpretation than the one we previously agreed to.
Fervently? Not at all, this is a discussion and I was just putting forth some suggestions for lore that I found cool. If anything with this final post you've made you gave me the impression you're getting heated up, and I don't even know why.
>the chuubas can exist in the conceptual realm by the very fact that they are concepts, regardless of whether or not there is someone to imagine them. it's how powerful they are that is effected by how many people have that concept, but it is also effected by just how much that concept is represented in physical reality
Sure, I agree, but why would they affect the physical realm of /vt/, where noone, specifically none of their followers, would exist, and not /jp/?
>>22350017
My view of it was similar to how Japan views gods and youkai, ie the more believer one God has the more powerful they are, while smaller deities with little to no following (usually because they are forgotten or their followers are eradicated) are weaker, and eventually disappear.

>>22349992
Corrected some typos (I'm useless without a spellchecker) and added the subtropical highland climates. They share the same codes with humid subtropical and subtropical monsoon, but have different causes, weather and distribution. Their biggest contribution to humanity is being the home of two of the three most important beverages in the world.

>>22351169
I like the idea that Jannies created the /vt/ dimension specifically just to cure /jp/

>>22351169
>My view of it was similar to how Japan views gods and youkai, ie the more believer one God has the more powerful they are, while smaller deities with little to no following (usually because they are forgotten or their followers are eradicated) are weaker, and eventually disappear.
But, do Gods actually draw power from their followers, or increased power results in more followers? Because imo the latter makes more sense.

>>22326763
Thinking about putting it in a rentry link and maybe let everyone vote on whether or not to make it cannon. What else do you think I need to add to make it more complete?

>>22352010
I think it's sufficiently detailed, leaving a bit of room for interpretation leaves room for the threads to customize their schizos while still having all the schizos play by the same rules.

>>22352002
People think/believe in a concept->concept manifests as a deity
more believers appear->deity becomes stronger
believers are decreasing->deity loses power
no believers left->does not cease to exist, but loses most of its ability to affect anything, until new believers appear

It's a cycle basically.
Keep in mind two things:
"Deity" is used as a placeholder, it can either mean a personified concept in the form of a chuuba, or a general concept that affects the environment.
The initial premise, using "manifest", does not necessarily mean the concept didn't exist beforehand and was just created at that moment a believer came up with it (though it may be the case), but rather they could be picking up where the last point leaves off, that is they gain more power to affect their surroundings.

Making clear again, these are suggestions based on my view of how the world works.

>>22351169
first draft was too long, trying again.
>point out the thread 1+2
first was around the time the rentry about chuubanite and nuclear physics was made, second was not even a month ago, i said something about bce to represent the jp and vt split.
>why would millions of people suddenly appear on Vitia after the dimensional split?
because it is possible, if difficult, to travel across universes. vitubium is what allows us to do it.
>Not sure what the disagreement is here
your interpretation requires the nonsensical magic (brevity, no offense intended) and nonlocality, boarders have no inherent physical properties and the beliefs of people within them should not affect the makeup of the material that it is made of. changing boarders and opinions will rule your idea inadaptable or inconsistent, and thus incoherent to the setting, not that it wasn't already given how an element suddenly appears from thin air.
>Touhounium
/vtwbg/ is a setting about vtubers. /t/ doesn't exist at all in our setting, /jp/ only exists because it once (and still does) had vtuber related threads. as a result, and to answer a later point of yours, vtubers effected it just as much as they effect /vt/.
>Fervently
i am autistic, my interpretation of what you say is not always reliable, the way you say it, or the fervency in which you say it can only be surmised by your speaking patterns which i am not perfect at interpreting even in real life/face to face interactions. i apologize if i misinterpreted it, but the fact that you keep saying the same things without explaining in a way that i can understand both confuses and somewhat irritates me, i don't blame you that it happened, per say, but the fact that you clarify by restating does make it difficult for me to interpret what you say as anything but what i interpreted initially.
>with this final post you've made you gave me the impression you're getting heated up
a little bit, but not necessarily at you. it is true what you are saying irritates me, but it is the confusion i get from what you say, not anything inherent to the message you are saying that irritates me. from my perspective, we have a hard magic system with clearly defined rules that fits a mostly scientifically accurate model of the universe plus a magical element that properly reacts to this scientifically accurate model according to the rules we have set for it. your suggestion does away with all of those rules without anything to gain, as far as i can tell. i have asked what you stand to gain, yet repeatedly you merely say you like the concept, effectively sidestepping the question entirely. you know demihumans and chimera species exist in this setting that require millions of years of exposure to vitubium to gain the kinds of adaptations they made. else we would need to change the rate of evolution which would pose a problem for the otherwise scientifically accurate model of the universe. if i merely understood why you prefered your interpretation to mine i might have a better understanding of what your interpretation actually was, but i feel like you keep evading the question.

>>22352675
Yeah I understand it, that's the Chaos God approach, I'm just saying it doesn't really match how /vt/ interacts with vtubers. How /vt/ feels about a chuuba has a practically nil effect on the chuuba by any measure, the chuuba is what empowers its thread, the power transfer is in the other direction. If a thread died, the chuuba wouldn't even notice it, but if the chuuba disappears, it is positively cataclysmic for the thread.
I think a setup where the Deities/Concepts are like primordial forces, and their believers are blessed with their heavenly energy is a better fit.

>>22353028
the threads and the vitubium effects do not represent the chuubas themselves, rather, the threads about them. tell me what chuuba /nasfaqg/ belongs to, or /hag/, or even /niji/ given the fact that they are a company, not an individual chuuba. it's the threads that it represents, but you are right that none of what we do affects the cuuba themselves unless they are /here/

>>22351169
>>22352990
Man can you two restate your thesis in like one short paragraph, I've lost track kek.

>>22353245
lol, that might be difficult at this point.

>>22353028
>but if the chuuba disappears, it is positively cataclysmic for the thread.
/tsugu/. that is not always the case.

>>22352675
But you have one paradox
Chuubas appear before their beliefs exist
So it needs to be
Deity appears -> Attracts followers -> Establish influence
Instead of using believers as the main foundation of their powers, it is influence
This is to solve other plotholes such as retired chuubas still having people watching their VODs and doing fanart

>>22353235
Well, I would say that /hag/ or /niji/ draw power from the chuubas, just a wider pool. If all the hags or nijis graduated all together (obviously not within the realm of the possible) it would nuke those threads.
/nasfaqg/ draws power from the activities of all Hololive+a couple guests, again if all the chuubas involved disappeared, the stock market would crash harder than 1929.
>>22353298
I'm not familiar with that thread's history, but the channel at least seems to still be active.

>>22353298
Tsugu is more like an unannounced years-long break in this context. Anon probably meant if the chuuba graduated - or worse, fired - then the thread's going to melt down, which in this setting seems to correlate to the related chuubanite going nuclear.

>>22353401
>If all the hags or nijis graduated all together (obviously not within the realm of the possible) it would nuke those threads.
artia gets a few occasional remembrance threads. holoCN as a whole was discontinued before it even got much traction. people have mentioned the OG vtubers a few times in this very same thread, not even all that long ago. you kind of have to expand your definitions to say /nasfaqg/ is chuuba related in the same way /ggg/ is. i am not denying the fact that all of these things play a role, i just disagree with you suggesting that it would be categorical. i have answered the question you asked here >>22353028 as to why the "chaos god approach" matches how /vt/ is supposed to be represented in /vtwbg/, but if you have another suggestion, you are more than welcome to voice it. just try to explain it in a way that helps others understand, it's harder than it should be but with enough effort and time it should be possible.

>>22353401
have you seen the rushia prices as of late?
How to explain this in-universe? Perhaps post-nuclear rushia chuubanite is, while relatively powerless, extremely stable?

>>22353613
Yeah, that's what I have in mind.
>>22353648
Yeah, Artia or Aloe do get a thread occasionally, my point is not so much that if the chuuba is not active the thread will not happen, but rather that if you imagine the Heavenly Plane, and the Earthly Plane, the energy transfer is only in one direction, and it goes from the Heavens to the Earth, not really the other.
Artia or OG threads happening is like echoes of those once powerful entities still leaking energy into the Earthly plane, no matter how many Artia threads there are it won't bring her back (or at least, if she comes back it won't be because of the threads kek).
My proposal is fairly simple, there's chuubanite out there in the world, and in some locations it is attuned to certain chuubas. /risu/ chuubanite can be found in the /risu/ territory, and it's why there are Risuners and the magic nuts. If you moved all the Risuners somewhere else, the magic nuts wouldn't start growing there.
>>22353847
I would say that rushiacoin is basically GME stock kek, no fundamentals, all speculation. The chuubacoins wouldn't be directly correlated to the the relevant chuubanite, they seem like clearly separate mechanics.

>>22353847
If we assume that the price for the shares (I don't play the game) is related to the supply and demand for Rushia chuubanite, then it makes sense that its price would plummet when Rushia was fired (which correlate to her chuubanite going through the final meltdown in some versions of the history) - most people want to get rid of them before their house becomes a second sun and jannies' shooting range. Once the event subsides, which seems to correlate to her channel being wiped, what remains of her chuubanite are probably fairly stable (since the unstable ones have all exploded), and their rarity means they have a high unit price as people start to buy them as curiosities/memento.

>>22353951
this actually makes a lot of sense

>>22346574
Other Luknight here!
Since knightlyhood and traditional warfare are such big themes in our culture, I like to think that we'd be heavily adept at building and sieging castles and that we'd attempt to build Himemori Castle in the center of this Tornado Valley as a sign of our supreme loyalty and the power of Naaa!

>>22354198
Pretty based, and the location's pretty good too, depending on the exact location and whether there are rivers there not on the map. If the castle happens to be on/near a river flowing through the valley, it would be a good place to control the riverside land (which will probably be quite fertile) through ships, not to mention using said river and ships to transport food to the less fertile north too. The location might also be quite strategic depending on the exact terrain, as it could be a major road between /hlgg/-southern Candy Kingdom and the polar north.

>>22353921
ignoring /here/ chuubas, the heavenly plane is affected by every community that involves it. memes spread across communities, from 4chan to reddit to discord to twitter and finally to wherever the chuuba does their content. we have an effect, it's just that our effect is diluted by the fact that we are merely one of many realms connected to the heavenly realm, and that the chuubas pay more attention to different realms. in the same way that there are /here/ as in 4chan chuubas, there are "/here/ as in twitch or youtube" chuubas. 4chan content has to make it's way through other realms to effect some chuubas, but it can access the heavenly realm under their noses and create a connection from which a portion of the heavenly energy can flow.
>/risu/ chuubanite can be found in the /risu/ territory, and it's why there are Risuners and the magic nuts. If you moved all the Risuners somewhere else, the magic nuts wouldn't start growing there.
it was said in the chuubanite rentry about nuclear physics that anyone can use anyone else's chuubanite effect with the proper know-how, but it is easier/more effective for people who actually believe it. what happens if risuners sell their magic nuts to someone else telling them they will grow faster? it doesn't work because it's in a different territory? what about /morig/ smoke that they use to empower themselves whenever they are in combat? it has no effect and not they are normal bone-skinned people with weird face masks on them? do they even have boney skin? what happens if an animal native to /risu/ that evolved to require /risu/ chuubanite is taken to another territory? do they fall down and die right on the spot? what about people from /rose/? what physical process makes vitubium change how it works depending on territory? if the same territory is large enough to have different people with different cultures among the same territory, would the chuubanite have the same effect throughout the region, or would it be different depending on the people near by? what about regions right at the boarder between two vastly different cultures who believe in vastly different principles and chuubas? what do you gain over the alternative interpretation with this new interpretation, is there a reason you might like it better besides the fact that you made it?

>>22346332
>>22346392
Also adding some definitional things for those who want to know what those letters mean:
The first letter describes the general climate:
>Group D is continental climates, which means there is at least one month has an average temperature below freezing point, and at least one month above 10°C.
>Group E is polar and alpine climates, which means every month has an average temperature below 10°C. It also overrides the next two letters.
>The reason 10°C is used as the dividing line is that below this temperature, tree seeds won't germinate (grow into plants). As such, D climates generally can support some kind of forest formation, but E can't. Be noted that some chunks of forests do grow in tundra climates, but they usually manage that by not using seeds to expand.
The second letter denotes rainfall pattern, which is generally determined by wind pattern. For Candy Kingdom, there are no significant factors that contribute to it, hence they're all f (no dry season), meaning a generally even distribution of rain and snow across the year.
The third letter marks the general temperature difference. For group D:
>a means at least one month has an average temperature above 22°C, and at least four months has an average temperature above 10°C.
>b means no months have an average temperature above 22°C, but at least four months have an average temperature above 10°C.
>c means the temperature range does not fit the conditions for the other letters.
>d means the coldest month has an average temperature below -38°C. This severe climate is fairly rare, and usually only appears in subarctic highlands and the polar edge of major continents, where the warmest months have just enough warmth to not put it in tundra climates.

>>22353847
It is simple - /nasfaqg/ chuubanite is flavoured with greed and ambition.

Rushia graduated, but the moment her channel got wiped and thus prices turned purely speculative, everyone started to pump her. In a way, those coins are better than actual coins since their prices are /purely/ player-driven.

Right now, the entire market is basically mostly speculative. Inflation is curbed artificially but has peeked through in the past months, it's just that coins that don't have mechanics protecting against that rapid inflation (Rushia, Civia) feel it the most.

>>22354482
Kek I'm a different anon, I don't even know what interpretation you're talking about. I was there when the chuubanite rentry was written and I quite like it, I wouldn't change it. Iirc the solution to the questions you bring up was that chuubanite attunement decays with time. So nuts get less magic, the magic smoke has a shelf life etc. How is what I'm saying contradicting the chuubanite lore? Also, no need to be so defensive anon.

>>22355272
i didn't actually assume you were, i asked that question because it was relevant here too, and i felt it was a bit funny that it applied here, too. in the rentry, he said anyone can make or use it, which would imply that it isn't territory based. vitubium is the same no matter where it is found, save for what it is bound to, and what the beliefs of the person using it are. territory plays no part in it, then, and someone completely unrelates to a region or it's culture could make and use vitubium that has the intended effect. it decays due to the half-life, which is a function of time, not space. /risu/ chuubanite would decay just as fast in /risu/ territory as anywhere else, so the conclusion that
>If you moved all the Risuners somewhere else, the magic nuts wouldn't start growing there
seems to be flawed going by the logic of the rentry we both apparently quite like. your answer that chuubanite decays explains maybe a bit more than half of my questions, what about the questions from
>what physical process makes vitubium change how it works depending on territory?
onward? what part of what i said implied i was defensive?

>>22355064
>Rushia coins are fiat now
Disgustang!

>>22351236
no subtropical rainforest? would that mean risu is actually just tropical rainforest?

>>22357234
Because this is climate classification and not biome classification, which usually don't line up perfectly with each other. For /risu/, the climate is mostly humid subtropical and subtropical monsoon, while the biome is mostly subtropical rainforest (closest RL comparison is probably the South China-Vietnam subtropical evergreen forests).

>>22357475
ah my mistake

>>22355707
The spoiler felt a bit accusatory, since I don't think I was making an alternative interpretation. Don't worry about it anon.
So, I checked the chuubanite entry again to make sure I wasn't misremembering something. Since we agree on that, I think there's only one part that is contentious, how is chuubanite of a specific attunement produced? The lore entry says it is mostly mined, which is why my understanding is that it is tied to territory, but you say it is made, can be made by anyone. If Risuners move somewhere, does the chuubanite in the ground somehow start to become risu aligned?

>>22357559
It's a pretty common mistake, and one can argue that it's not even exactly wrong, as the subtropics are sometimes considered an extension of the tropics. Subtorpical forests are usually grouped together with tropical forests as well (although they tend to be more seasonal, which leads to relatively lower biodiversity, as well as potentially a more significant undergrowth.

>>22357792
i thought it was said that it can be made by anyone with the proper resources. and i don't recall any point where territory was implied to play a role. my understanding of it was that vitubium just existed, and it binds with whatever it comes into contact with, and depending on the chuuba in question and what they did some time ago and who they interact with and what not, certain substances can be more or less connected to a chuuba depending on the symbolism related to it. remember how in the rentry he talked about essentially a conversion concept, and how chuubanite connected to gura is easier to be turned into chuubanite connected to kiara than chuubanite connected to sana, which is still easier than turning it into chuubanite connected to rose or what not, but chuubas that recently streamed together, even if they are from different companies, have a window where they are more connected to each other. all of this would be irrevelevant and meaningless if territory was what controled it, and if someone from /nasa/ couldn't make chuubanite connected to /inf/ if they had the right materials to do the conversion from one type to another. the stuff he was talking about was far more technical than i am willing to get into, but it clearly allows for chuubanite to be made regardless of territory. desu, the territory idea requires nonlocality, too, which presents problems for the consistency of the magical effects. easier for it to be "local" as in requiring physical touch.

>>22349992
>>22351236
In addition to real-life examples, it'd be neat to include /vtwbg/ examples as well now that things are becoming more established.

>>22358613
So, does chuubanite mined out of the ground have an affinity?

as OGsuner i can say we never mine our chuubanite. Which leads me to question of molerisuners who plant gemcorn farms would find it laying around in the mines

>>22361489
depends on if the material it binded to has an affinity, though any chuubanite can be given a different affinity through a variety of processes, depending on where it is found and what not.

>>22361615
chuubanite isn't just in ores. it's everywhere in the universe, i thought that was the conclusion of one of those pseudo-poll things we did a while ago.

>>22361718
im a bit of a derp. especially since its literally inside our nuts.

>>22361643
So why are magic nuts only in risuland?

OGsuner here. Gonna start doing something similar to /inf/ with tales of each of the expedition leaders describing their findings and adventures. Starting with morig of course then probably gonna do the one to rose since i REALLY want to do the interaction with 2 people who love nature.

>>22361896
same reason tiny elephants are only on that one tiny island. species can go to different regions, but they don't typically do that unless they are migratory such as birds, who have the distinct advantage of being able to fly as the migrate, thus giving them the ability to go much further. how far can a nut migrate? the question that might be more important is why /risu/ land is so much more fertile than others, but i figure that is because a lot of the chuubanite is naturally bound to the substances that have an affinity to /risu/ chuubas. maybe other explanations can be thought of if it is insufficient for you.

>>22362228
So, the chuubanite affinity is not bound to territory, it's bound characteristics unique to specific territories? I can live with that, works out to the same thing practically.

My theory
If a society that worships chuuba A switch place with a society that worships B, the vtubium already present (in solid, liquid, gaseous forms in rivers, plants, and ores) will not instantly change into the new affinity.
But, any new vtubium generated naturally will have the new affiliation.
If Risuners and Kronies switch homes, the old vtubium present in the environment dont just poof away. Law of energy remember. They still exist, available for mining, growing, harvesting.
However, any new vtubium that grows and generates after the switch will no longer be of the old variety. After a year, the liquid vitubium in the water is no longer Risu aligned, but Kronie aligned and vice versa

>>22362355
the major difference is that it allows us to avoid problems that arise from how to define a "territory" in a way that would matter to an inert substance without an agenda or even the ability to think.

Reza log chapter 1
We have arrived at the island of morig. Things are very different here. These people are clearly a military nation. They are all heavily armored, their navy is extensive and vast, and their individual soldiers have some top qualiy weaponry. And i thought our bog iron was good........
Its a bit colder than what were used to but so far everything seems to be manageable. Luckily for us the deadbeat, as they're called was pretty friendly. It seems people know we exist and they were expecting us? In my opinion it was most likely a surprise. Im just worried that if they have this massive armed force then why did they let us in?
I shall advise us all to get ready to escape at a moments notice. The fact that they offered us wine is a sign of goodwill, but it could also be a trap. I really want to establish good relations with these people as it could be of massive benefits to us. But I cant shake off this dreadful feeling. Something about this place just scares me. And the others i can tell share this feeling.
My orders will be simple. Some of us shall partake in a nut exchange with the locals as is our ways. Others will attempt to gather info on how these people go about life and possibly why they are. A third of the risuners shall keep the weapons at bay and defend the campsite. If ANY of us go missing then we will flee at once. Risu. I pray to you to protect us and that hopefully this is a misunderstanding.

>>22362375
part of me wants to know how that would work. besides /meat/ suggesting that vitubium might be "chuuba blood" and that their death can therefore create more of it, the method of vitubium regeneration is left to natural geological processes that take thousands of years, over which time many boarders can be made, taken, and retaken. plus, how does it know what affinity to tie to? i recall hearing someone suggest, though no conclusion was made to my knowledge, that /rose/ was banished to the frozen area they are in, and were once in a position more fit to grow roses. going to a place with a completely different geological makeup might not make sense if the chuubanite that spawns there is made up of material more commonly found in a different region, alternatively, if you are saying the material is spawned along with the chuubanite as though it were from thin air, then law of energy, as you said. i am not categorically against these explanations, but any explanation that tries to tie chuubanite with territory has to be able to answer these questions if we want to keep the realism of the setting and the magic intact, otherwise it slips into "a wizard did it" explanations that defeat some of the worldbuilding.

>>22362900
>risu has literal witches. Risu has fucking magic. We are actually most likely either one of or the most attuned people to magic. Explains why we abandoned technology and metal for the sakes of PRETTY GEMS AND TREES

>>22361109
I added some of the more prominent climate zones in this world to the table, although there are some that doesn't really have a significant presence in this world. Be noted that some of the climate types are also pretty rare IRL, which is reflected by me scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find place names that people here will likely recognise without googling.

I suggest we put the magic system discussion on hold for now
If we keep a topic active for too long it would stagnate and eventually we'll have fights without thinking with our heads.
Just, let our mental energy heal for a while

>>22363111
ok, but it is still an important discussion, so maybe we should make it a future discussion.

>>22362752
anchor this btw. ill make a short series depending on how the deadbeats react.

>>22362752
>>22309569
Here you go, my nut buddy

>>22363346
ok ive been way more of a derp than usual. wtf

>>22363463
s'ok, we all have days like that

>>22363463
I missed how derpy /risu/ is, you guys are adorable.

Excited af to see what morig would think as well as the rest of thread. And cant contain my urge to write about everyone else. Feels fucking good man knowing ill have a lot to make content of and other threads will have a reason to stick around to this thread and make stories of their own.

>>22362752
Ah, deadbeats are certainly spooky, that's an understandable reaction. As a people, we're chuuni dorks, so I imagine we would continue to try to look cool to strangers and accidentally be scary, prolonging the misunderstanding.
We keep elephant-sized giant skeletal sloths as beasts of burden, those would probably be about as terrifying as Hannibal's elephants were to the Romans the first time around.
Oh, but deadbeats are rather xenophilic, so they would be receptive to Risuner nut rituals.

It has come to my attention that /nasa/ needs to do more vitubium research. Perhaps if we're lucky we can discover anti-gravity machines.

>>22363614
Were coming for your nuts next. A fleet is already on their way. Also if you happen to have any of course we like PRETTY GEMS

>Oh, but deadbeats are rather xenophilic
We gonna be exchanging some nuts it seems

>>22363845
As an underground nation, we have pretty gems practically coming out of our ears! We'd be happy to see you and give you some as a token of good faith.

>>22364090
i wonder if you would even have need for magical nuts. I assume so since you know. nature stuffs. Also are rose people gifted in the art of magics?

>>22364243
We're not particularly magical, no. We tend to resolve things by more technological means, like explosives, drills, and such. Not sure exactly why, but we're really good when it comes to explosives. I'm sure we could find a use for magical nuts if you gave them to us, though.

(sorry had to catch a 5 hour flight, posting what I wrote before I lost net)
>>22352990
>the rentry about chuubanite and nuclear physics
Ah yeah the thesis, I think I read it but I barely recall anything, should probably reread it desu. Though it was at the same period we were scrambling to get a voting system in place and I don't recall it being voted for approval? Might be good to have a vote for it, just to officalise it if anything.
>>22352990
>not even a month ago, i said something about bce to represent the jp and vt split.
I mean we voted on this last weekend.
>>22352990
>boarders have no inherent physical properties and the beliefs of people within them should not affect the makeup of the material that it is made of.
But they do, we have voted as such. It was a close vote, but it passed.
Bylaws, Article 7, Paragraphs 5 and 6:
>Chuubanite deposits differ from nation to nation, according to the deity they worship or the concept they are based on.
>When the land a Chuubanite deposit with a certain affinity changes owners, the Chuubanite begins to lose its up until that moment properties.
No offence taken btw
>/t/ doesn't exist at all in our setting
Never claimed it did, it was an example. If /jp/ decide to make a /jpwbg/, they may come up with their version of Vitubium, namely Japannium (changed it from Touhounium, this makes more sense I think), that was based on the touhous. If for some reason /2hu/ was created after a surge of touhou posters, I still wouldn't see the reason for the /t/ universe to have Touhounium before its creation.
>i am autistic
No offence intended, but I could tell.
>but the fact that you keep saying the same things without explaining in a way that i can understand both confuses and somewhat irritates me
Ngl the feeling is mutual. Another feeling I think is mutual is that, I felt I actually explained and simplified my position from before, but apparently you didn't think so, and probably the same sentiment exists from your side.
>your suggestion does away with all of those rule
Examples? The suggestion is a suggestion because I wanna try to fit it into the world in a way that makes sense, I want it to follow the laws of physics and chemistry, hell I'm a chemistry uni student, but I am open to creating more laws of physics specific to the setting, that aren't overpowered or non-sensical, to have a solid magik system.
>you know demihumans and chimera species exist in this setting that require millions of years of exposure to vitubium to gain the kinds of adaptations they made
I know, my thread are demihumans. They wouldn't have the millions of years of exposure required to transform to what they are if they existed in /vt/, because they moved to /vt/ only when the split happened, and they were already demihumans then. Comparatively, the belief for our deity has existed for 4 times as long as /vt/ has, meaning any transformation would have taken place in /jp/. Not sure what your point is here, that Vitubium should have existed in Vitia since the start to affect the species on it? Sure, but it's irrelevant to the actual threads and their people because their forms are retained from before they came to Vitia.
>repeatedly you merely say you like the concept, effectively sidestepping the question entirely
Is... Is fun not allowed? Isn't this a creative writing project? I'm making a suggestion about something I like to be incorporated into the world, there's no real deeper meaning to it.
>>22353028
>>22353235
Though both of these make sense from a /meta/ standpoint, how would it work for denizens of the /vt/ universe? Do we have to account for the universes of Twitter, Youtube and Twitch as well? Also, how would the powering of the people occur, through Vitubium I assume?
>>22353314
>Chuubas appear before their beliefs exist
>So it needs to be
>Deity appears -> Attracts followers -> Establish influence
Sure, but chuubas can also appear through the belief of people, see /asp/ where people try to will themselves into Godhood.
An "irl" example of pre- and post- people concepts would be: nature and life have existed as concepts before humans, their influence is obvious and effectively everlasting, and they only were really given names by humans. However, take a random bunch of villages around a mountain forest; one villager saw a giant boar that attacked him, he figured its the king of the mountain forest and spread it to the other villagers. The villagers believe him, and the concept of "Butagami, King of the Yamamori Forest" or whatever, and, in a fantastical setting, would manifest as a giant boar that actually reigns the forest and commands its inhabitants, while in reality it's just a big boar whose territory is there.

well like i said ill do a few more logs on morig since im kind of having fun with it. Then your next

>>22364401
>i am autistic
>No offence intended, but I could tell.
Arent we all? We're making a fanfic about an imageboard tangential to girls larping as anime characters

Does rose have an established resource list? Did the geo anons bless them with metals/gemstones or did they make it themselves?

>>22364879
We did get one, I just think it didn't get anchored. But yeah, a geo anon made one for us a while ago. >>20415094

>>22364974
Oof. Hope you got some of those deets. If not you can always just assume stuff or do what i did and ask for a re fresher. I made sure to screenshot those convos and notepad all that shit.

>>22364401
>Bylaws, Article 7, Paragraphs 5 and 6:
how does that imply boarders have inherent physical properties, or that beliefs of people within them affect the majeup of the material. all it says is that the deposits differ? though, to be fair, i suppose i missed the one where it states it loses it's properties when the owner changes. that seems like such a strange and irrational decision to me, but if it was voted on idk what to make of it.
>mutual
maybe if we explain our interpretations to each other a few more times it will work, but >>22363111 suggested we give it a rest for the meantime, i'll still give you the response you deserve after all that work, or at least try to.
>>your suggestion does away with all of those rule(s)
nonlocality for one. how a substance can detect the thoughts of people not even in physical contact with it, and know how far and in which directions a territory goes, or when that territory shifts from one owner to another, all of it requires a sort of intelligence and non-locality that should not be possible for what is essentially an over glorified conductor. i would prefer it if chemistry where what changed chuubanite affinity, rather than something arbitrary and metaphysical. the closest solution i can think of is to say the heavenly realm is a direct reflection of our realm, and thus concepts that exist in a region in our universe exist in a region in the heavenly realm, but that creates a miriad of problems, such as making all chuubanite in a region have the regions affinity due to a complete lack of competing energies, and the fact that the chuubas do not reflect what goes on in 4chan.
>They wouldn't have the millions of years of exposure required to transform to what they are if they existed in /vt/,
your demihumans existed in /jp/ before. vitubium isn't /vt/ubium, though we simplify it's name to vt. it's vtube-ium. it exists in /jp/, too. i thought you were the guy who suggested that vitubium only came into existence when intelligent beings capable of imagining concepts came into existence, the fact that an entire element would pop into existence suddenly at such a time makes no sense from a physical perspective, especially since we need longer than that for alternate species to form as a result of vitubium.
>Though both of these make sense from a /meta/ standpoint
that was a meta conversation. it's how we represent, as world builders in a common setting, the denizens wont be able to decide on a whim what vitubium does for their culture, or what substances are used to make them, nor can they decide how strong or long lasting their magical effects are. we decide it, but we need a common framework and set of rules for it to all make sense with itself. the rule we came to was that /vtwbg/ would not attempt to represent the chuubas, but rather the threads on /vt/.
the last point i agree with you on.
for some reason this responce feels a bit incomplete. maybe i'll add to it if i notice something, or maybe the feeling will pass. just wanted to say that.

>>22364421
By the way, mind if I ask what kind of art /risu/ likes to make, like in terms of format and subject?

>>22362437
I was mainly concerned with threads not being allowed to have their chuubanite be territorial if desired, but from your responses it seems you agree that if the thread decides the source of their attuned chuubanite is territorial in nature, that is compatible with the chuubanite lore, so I'm fine with that.

>Caffeine in veins? yep
>Nut? expelled
>Mio's Howling? on loop
>Rentry? opened

Someone is dying in /nasa/ today

>>22366584
Don't squeeb.

>>22366553
are you this guy? >>22364401 just asking.

>>22366776
Nope

>>22366776
Nope.

>>22363053
But /who/ is latitude is pretty high with significant parts of its northern highlands sitting above 60°. According to the climate analysis in the OP /who/ should be Oceanic also most of /who/'s lore had been written on account of it having an oceanic climate.

>>22366790
Nopemind...

>>22366548
if you mean art as in paintings and stuff then aside from obvious obsession with nuts risuners are very religious. Its the one thing that keeps the nation united. Ill leave it up to you if you wanna think of something else

>>22366790
>>22366796
ok. so the guy who made the reply was the guy who i was responding to. it was a while ago that you made that response, but the guy i asked about was away for a few hours, so i wasn't sure if he saw something while scrolling through everything that gave him a different idea of what i was saying. it wouldn't be the first time someone misinterpreted my because of my world building philosophies on this thread.

>>22366988
It's fine, we're all Anon here. Well, Anon and lowercaseanon.

>>22366826
The northernmost point of /who/ is actually around 56°. The 60th parallel north passes near the northern end of /uuu/. My old post in >>21434103 gives the inland a continental climate, but if required, you can probably justify it having an oceanic climate. The mina difference, climate-wise, would be snowfall - oceanic climate doesn't snow a lot (think Britain outside the Highlands, while continental climate has more snowfall in the cold season due to a wider temperature range.

>>22366960
That works. For format, I mean like paintings and carvings. Do risuners like making wood carvings? Sculptures? Painting?

>>22367298
Ah yes i would say wood carvings are pretty common. Sculptures less likely and paintings i can say sure but i feel like wood carvings would be the most popular

>>22364421
Don't let the spooky spook!

>>22367298
Oh you're that anon nvm then. I think most writers for /who/ would still stick to the oceanic climate but having actual climate zones helps a lot. Btw maybe you should make a rentry or some sort and anchor it so other anons can work with your more detailed map.

>>22367567
Well, ultimately I'm here to help, so if /who/ wants the highland to be oceanic, then oceanic it will be. As for the map, I don't have a more detailed map. The detailed map is made by another /meat/anon. It might be a good idea to make my cheatsheet into a rentry, though...

>>22367440
That works, thanks for the reply. I think I have a plot at hand... It also helps that /rose/ is in high priority for /risu/ explorers.

>>22367567
We only have 2-3 writer hoomans involved anyways

>>22368264
The voices inside my head disagree.

>>22367897
oh i cant fucking wait to land on those shores

>>22368264
I-I'll totally start on the short story I've fleshing out in my mind these last few days tomorrow, h-haha. God I wish I knew how to write good stories

>>22368743
You and me both, hooman, you and me both...

>>22368390
Very understandable! Since /rose/ is in the frigid south, it would make sense to start sailing in summer, so that you can arrive in their summer, right?
But then again, risuners are still learning how to sail, so they might not realise how treacherous the tropical waters are during typhoon season...
At least, that's my pitch for the start of the story I have in mind. I do get curious what would happen when risuners actually go to /meat/ to explore, though.

>>22366584
Let me guess. You're going ahead with the mutiny because I'm too slow at writing?

https://rentry.org/er36f

Here's the first part. Second part is coming soon.

Would it be right to assume /risu/ will be looking for metal tools for the construction of their boats? They sure have the supply of trees, but processing them into planks or at least stuff like hammers and nails might be of interest, right?
t. Nation with fairly good supply of metal

>>22369202
>Charlie grabs my helmet and bends me over.
Charlie getting his whore one way or another xD

Reading thorugh this, I might just wait a bit more, i wanna see where this goes, but take your time writing it. Personally i wanted to take an approach that Principal and General finally met, at the outpost, after the General went completely off the rails publicly, killing Mikael, which i introduced in the previous story, as well as some others, and that was too much for the people, and they kicked him out and the few guards that still supported him. Might still go into that direction, but I wanna see where this meeting goes first.

>>22370036
The general wants to talk to Mac Acres about his findings. If the general sees that Mac revealing the truth of space fairing species goes against his plans then he may incarcerate Mac. It really depends if the general wants to become a dictator of /nasa/. Mac is just going to have to smooth talk him into reason. Hopefully.

>>22370375
Yea, I wanted to lean into the notion that General uses the Directive as a way to give himself more power, eventually controlling the station. But again, will let you develop the meeting and then go on from the result of that.

>>22369683
of course. we have bog iron at best and before were just using sharp rocks. Metal tools is a priority along unique gems and of course nuts not native to /risu/

>>22370659
Also I lost the edit code to my last rentry. So I'll post a completed story with a new rentry entry. I just have to remember to paste the links and the edit codes in a text document.

>>22369202
Was that a cheeky Drake & Josh reference?

>>22366218
I've got responses but as you and the other anon said I'll just put the matter on hold for now, may try again next week or the week after.
>>22366776
Yeah, I had read up to >>22353314 while going through airport check-in, wrote my response in the plane but couldn't post cause of net, sent it immediately upon getting net after landing without reading anything else, went to do family stuff and just caught up now. It's an interesting discussion for sure, but that's enough for a little while.
>>22364571
Yeah kek, we definitely all share at least one flavour of autist if we're here.

https://youtu.be/183tEhupiSQ
Is this what being a Janny is like in /vt/?
Hunting down schizos and bureaucracy to keep the universe from collapsing?

>>22309569
Emperor Kárdios IV Sideros formally extends an offer of marriage to Queen Pippers of /pcg/, or to the eldest of her daughters. We are willing to bring our two countries together via unity and alliance. Your goddesses will be added to our pantheon, just as the only two of our former pantheon that remain sanctioned have been added to yours.

We no longer see a need to be separate, not when the spiritual underpinnings of our nations have been smashed together by movement in the heavens.

Should this be accepted, we look forward to the Basileía Ton Enotitas becoming the premier power on our continent's western environs. Our frontiers would be clean. Our armies modernized. We would extend a massive economic recover program. Your poorer rural areas would be the first to receive new wells, roads, bridges, street lamps, and our fishing fleet would take bycatch and use it to recover the fertility of your fields.

HAIL TO UNITY!

>>22372027
Yeah, perhaps with more angelic/fantasy aesthetics.

>>22371537
I don't know. I stopped watching TV in 2008.

>>22372120
>Basileía Ton Enotitas
I recall your thread being inspired by the Byzantine empire, reflected by the use of Byzantine (Greek) names, but do you have any knowledge of the language or are you doing this by feel? As a Greek the mismatch in inflections/conjugations or whatever they're called in English is making by sould heart almost as much as Gura absolutely murdering the Greek parts in Reflect

>>22372707
>sould heart
I swear I wrote "soul hurt"

>>22372707
NTA Reflect had greek part? kek I thought that was made up gurababble

>>22372707
Doing it by feel, for the most part. If you can fix my declensions and the like, please help onegai.

I can always edit my rentry stuff. I'm specifically basing what we are now off a weird fusion of Age of Miracles Byzantium, and the Civil-War era United States, both Union and Confederates. Our founding lore took bits off of Rumania and the Aztecs. I might turn our offshore bits into like a Cypriot-style sugar plantation island.

BTW, does anybody have a true /pcg/ rep or should I kinda shepherd that as well?

>>22372783
It "did", but it might as well have been made up. I give her the excuse that she "speaks in an ancient atlantean dialect", but honestly without the subs I wouldn't have figured it out. I do have an analysis of it if anons are interested

>>22372027
Continuing off from >>20306260, without the memey parts
>Some fool in /morig/ is sat in his basement, finishing up a divination spell to glare into the mad abyss of the true identity of the goddess.
>As the forbidden knowledge is beamed into his brain, immediately a three hundred pound cloaked figure stands up, puts his hot pocket down and looks to the South. It's 5000 miles away, but he can see the heretic like he was right next to him.
>He whistles and a steed apparates next to him.
>By the time he has pulled his bulk onto the horse, the mount and rider have shifted into the doxfag's basement.
>He can only yelp "I-It's for personal use! I won't tell anyo-" before he is cleaved in twain vertically.
>Admiring a job well done, the Janniewraith nods serenely and shifts back into his office, and picks his hot pocket back up. Thankfully, it's still warm.
>The Deadbeat woke up on a cold metal floor, in an enclosed space. The room is 2 meter by 2 meter, fits more of a description of a closet or a cell than a room. He turns around to see iron bars separating him from the blinding cold void outside.
>He quickly understands it is the latter.
>Before he could think of a word, the cell door descends into the floor, or what appears to be a floor despite the absence of physical surface, allowing him to step out.
>As soon as his foot touches the void, a pathway materializes beneath his feet. With every step he takes the pathway extends into the void. Prompting him to keep walking.
>Further and further, he notices a lot more objects materializing around him. A gargantuan wall reaching the void's 'sky' slides into view, slowly enroaching on him. Enclosing the space around him.
>The Deadbeat tries to stop walking and look around. Yet his legs are not responding to his thoughts nor his will. They are acting as if they are autonomous, piloted by a force he cannot witness.
>The walls on all sides have finally met, forming a huge chamber around him. In front of him, a pedestal rises up from the void. Further forward, thrones are moving into view. To his left and right, seats held up by marble and jade are climbing up.
>He steps onto the pedestal, one foot at a time. With each foot, a being materializes out of thin air without a sign, sitting in its throne. Another step, another figure. All five thrones were filled by the time he reached the top of the pedestal. To his sides, the benches are already filled. By beings he could not comprehend. Amorphous and intangible. The air is tense, cold, and smells of hot potato and peppers.
>"Let's get this over with. I have to purge another Schizo invasion in 8 minutes." one of the figures spea. "Oh look at that, the /meat/heads just repaired their communications." another figure speaks as it stares into its own palms.
>"All rise! The Pristine Court of The VT Custodians is now in session! Today's trial is against 'Bartholomew dela Hiyo- who gives a shit'. Bla bla bla, tried to obtain forbidden esoteric knowledge of the gods, yadda yadda we all know where this is going. No need for all this. You are now branded a Schizo, your punishment is exile into the Schizo Wastelands-"
>"Hold on a minute!" the Deadbeat intervened the Janny, with gasps from the jury. "Don't I get a say in this? Can't I get a lawyer? You don't even have evidence against me!"
>The Janny stares at the Deadbeat with its eyeless amorphous face and sighs. "You want a lawyer? Sure. How about a hundred!" the Janny claps his hands and the Deadbeat can feel something is not right with him.
>"Yeah so, this guy here wanted to SEE what the gods are really like. He's not just curious, he's also reckless!" a voice came from inside the Deadbeat. Wait. Inside?!
>The Deadbeat can feel it. Thoughts, emotions, they're all inside him. He stares at his arm and he can almost hear it.
>"I was given the task of DRAWING the forbidden symbols on the floor. Just ask my colleagues." the thought reverberates throughout his arm. Soon after, his fingers; "We are the ones who flipped through the pages of the books he had acquired! We can attest to that!"
>The Deadbeat finally understood what's going on. Every single part of his body now has free will. And they're testifying against him. He feels it inside his eye sockets. "The pages were clear, and the instructions are there. I saw it all. Memorized it all. These are what they looked like."
>Before he could react, a flash of light emitted from his eyes, visualising his prior memories in front of the entire court. From his studies, to his preparations, and even to his arrest.
>"I've heard enough. Alright, Schizo. You want to obtain forbidden knowledge badly? Take them. Take them ALL in!" the Janny sneers on his throne. With a clap, a wave of cold air rushes all over the Deadbeat.
>He opens his eyes. Snow. Ice. Rocks.
>He is naked, devoid of belongings.
>He looks up, he sees waves of flashing colors and painful lights.
>And soon after, the knowledge starts flowing in. All of them.

>>22373697
Maybe you should invite them over. /pcg/ and the other small corpos need reps

hello, i am from the /vrt/ thread wich has been around in one form or another sinde february and i liek to read in here from time to time and wanted to make an appeal for /vrt/ being a country in this world, hope the short introduction of the nation is well enough and fits with the lore of the world so far, since i am not really a writer

since there is an empty spot right now from the former /wvt/ position i would like to appeal to that spot since it would also be near /tsun/ and /pyon/ wich we would have good relations to

https://rentry.org/4quzx

>>22373821
>Someone remember my funny shitpost well enough to expand on it a month later
I feel honored and humbled. Also, kino.

>>22373821
Some bit of trivia.
I used Islam's version of limbo as inspiration for the court.
Post-death, you are sent into an interrogation with the Angels of Limbo. You do not have any say in this. Instead, your body parts all gained sentience and autonomy, Disco Elysium style, to confess and show the truth.

>>22374143
Many voices coming from within is also such a perfect fit for a schizo, well done.

>>22374143
>interrogation but your body parts do the confession
Damn Islam's limbo sounds metal

>>22373821
>Oh look at that, the /meat/heads just repaired their communications
OH, COME ON!

>>22374046
Ohh fresh meat! Or metal, in this instance. We already have /rbc/ so another robot nation is probably no problem, welcome.
I don't recall what the plan was for the /wvt/ land, but we can probs fit yall in there.

>>22374046
Luckily we have a full scale, more realistic, map in the works
Once it's done, there might be some border changes so every country isnt the size of Germany and Australia. It can be easy to fit in some smaller nations after that

>>22374246
>MC of Disco Elysium is also a schizo
Beautiful!
I propose this as the theme song of /vt/ land
https://youtu.be/AypW_6o26hg

>>22374046
Hello, and welcome aboard!
For the lore, it seems alright to me. There are some questions about Onolumi being the queen (since I don't think she's /here/? I could be wrong, though), although it's not the first country in this world where the monarch's land is ruled by a council instead. Can the robots multiply? Do they have a natural lifespan?
As for location, I don't see why you can't take the empty space on the map. That said, would you prefer to be closer to /tsun/ and /pyon/? Maybe /yah/'s current location would be a better fit for that, and given that Chisato's a polar bear, it might be better for /yah/ to be in a more poleward location anyway. Also, please tell me if you have a preferred natural environment and climate you want for /vrt/.

>>22374570
I dig it. Also, I forgot how hard this song goes near the end.
Song for going schizo:
https://youtu.be/gmfApYGIYs8

>>22374793
Hardcore to the mega!

>>22374857
Holy fuck, that guy was Egg Head
It's all coming together...

>>22309569
Okay I finished drafting Mac's Return.

https://rentry.org/MacReturns

Should give enough time for somebody to die before the next part.

>>22371160
neato! as for trade goods, I know /risu/ is fairly rich in 'pretty stones'. Don't suppose such a trade good would be available (besides the grape agate weaponry). I'll leave it to the actual /who/ rep to consider if a stable trade route would be good considering the distance, but an independent merchant might make a stop when I finally get the chance to sit down and write tomorrow

>>22375314
Gud shit!! I enjoy seeing these two bozos trying to handle the chaos.
I assume the events of the second part in https://rentry.org/zucdd is after this?

>>22374354
>>22374483
>>22374689
thanks for the welcome

as for the questions asked
we have some speculation that lumi may or may no be /here/ but nothing confirmed that was why i only had her be spoken of by the robots and the ruling council with no one outside of that having seen her to leave it a mystery. in her own lore tho she has multiple bodies, being on #19 at the moment and since there is a second vtuber model glitching in on rare occasions, even that might not be real. so even if there is a real queen in this world it might just be a manifestation of her and not actually her.

the robots do not have a certain lifespan but they can deteriorate, malfunction or get destroyed wich in contrast is also why they can build new robots to procreate but it is a very slow process due to them having lost all knowledge of their own technology and having to rely on what they learned since then as well as the usage of chuubanite to act as replacement for certain parts. that is also why they only make up a a certain part of the population with the mayority being none robots.

if /yah/ moves elsewhere i would also be happy with that placement but it is not something that needs to happen just to accomandate us.

as for climate i think humid continental/mediterranean would fit the best

I keep seeing references to the Principal of /nasa/ sleeping with a Robosan
Is there a fic or post of this somewhere?

>>22375882
It was a shitpost that turned into a scandal. I can write a fic about it if /rbc/ wants to read it.

>>22375314
Great writeup! Gives me an idea to expand it, perhaps without anyone dying for now...

Also, if we are going with Wallace instead of Jonathan, i would ask Archiveanon for a small edit to "Night of tears" story to keep the namedrops consistent. kinda wanted to set up that the general is the brother of principal, but if that's too much, we can always retcon it, it's only one mention of it for now anyways

>>22375957
I can edit the name real quick.

>>22375882
Yea, it was just a shitpost at first, but at this point we just kinda integrated it as what some believe is one of the reasons for the principal's decisions, whether it's real or just Mozzie slander is still up for debate. And, personally, >>22375919 I feel like, at least for now, it's perfectly fine if it just stays ambiguous whether or not it's real. We can expand on it later once we open diplomacy with /rbc/ again, with perhaps some more intimate moments between the principal (which would, of course, take it upon himself to establish relations with them) and the Robosan diplomat.

>>22375793
Given the climate preference, I guess the originally suggested location (the empty space) would actually work. Its northern half should be humid continental (Mediterranean is unavailable in that area, sorry).

tfw desire for android cunny led to a civil war

>>22376150
I am perfectly fine with either name, and perhaps even more with Wallace, since it can be shortened to Wally, which i find very cute. Jonathan on the other hand would be Jon? Jonny? Idk, I am leaning more and more to Wally.

>>22376192
I edited the name to the rentry. Its the same URL. Also by the time negotiations are over the principal will resign. I think its better for him to leave /nasa/ to run the bakery in /who/ as an owner. Robosan can meet him in /who/ anytime. Though I don't think sex is possible because Robosan has no genitals.

>>22375595
I can imagine the Kronie's face when he learns the truth from the camping Sanalites
"Wait... You found her?"
"Yeah. Then we took her in."
"You did what?!"

>>22376421
>he doesn't know

>>22376421
Nothing a little remodeling can't fix!

>>22376421
Oh yea, by the time this whole affair finishes, Principal will no longer be Principal, that much I think we all kinda had in mind since the start, but personally I was thinking he would take on the role of a diplomat, due to his previous knowledge. Running the bakery in /who/ though, hmmm... that might be interesting. Wanted to write a one-off for that place for a while now, before this whole civil war arc started, and this might just add some more flavour to it.

Since the /meat/ girl was found frozen in the tundra could it be possible that she has amnesia from a brain injury? Also if she doesn't want to return home then she's free to help work in the bakery in /who/.

>>22376689
Being a diplomat is a political position. /nasa/ bans insurgents from holding those kinds of positions. Besides the principal will have to forfeit his retirement. Which means he'll be looking for a more profitable career outside of /nasa/ government to make up for losing his retirement money.

>>22376733
I was planning to have her be a a familiar contact for when we open deals with /meat/ again, similar to how Robosan would be for /rbc/, but right now I have nothing concrete yet. All is open for now.

>>22376819
Well, /nasa/ bans a lot of things, but we are in the middle of a pretty major restructuring. Gonna have to see how things develop.

>>22376733
Possibly still scarred from the schizo attack
Who knows what kind of mental attacks they did to her
As for returning home, I dont think so. She's gotten attached to her adventurers party, and she's still under /infinity/'s contract

>>22376924
Right. Forgot that all friendly /meat/ warriors are mercs under the Kronies

>>22376924
I hope we can find survivors of her party. Implying she hasn't eaten them yet.

>>22376421
>Though I don't think sex is possible because Robosan has no genitals.
Your research seems to be lacking

>>22377077
Her party's here
>>22375595

>>22377267
I need help. The first thing i thought when i saw that was Icon of sin from Doom eternal. Don't ask me how I connected those two.

>>22377404
The Longer I Look at Roboco's bare hips, The Hornier I Will Become

>>22377461
Against all the temptation that /rbc/ can conjure,
all the pleasure robutt can produce,
we will sent unto them...only you.

Smash and pound, until it is done.

Aight, imma head to bed for today, y'all play nice you hear me?

>>22378516
I want to name this bread dog Wheaty.

>>22378843
it's name is emergency rations

The spacemen has taken good care of the /meat/ girl the best they know how. She's taken a liking to lab grown meat. We also made sure she doesn't have any infections or diseases after surgery. Unless there's a brain injury from frostbite it looks like she'll make a full recovery. Hoping when her party comes to find her we'll be on good terms.