/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>22250821
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>22250303
streamcharts has a quicker re-check and got the peak
https://streamscharts.com/channels/veibae/streams/45195507228

>>22250299
It's honestly funny when you compare Fauna's first stream and his, especially since she was on her first week still. Hell first what, 3 days? And she wasn't as bad as he is.

Reminder that coco has bigger impact to hololive than Subaru, Marine, Pekora and Suisei and if you are a chinese if you think otherwise

>>22250774
>it's not special, you can get it easily
What does that say about the holos who can't even achieve something that's so easy to get? Can't be because they're unpopular and not stars by any measure, oh no no.

>>22250821
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>62,239: Aqua (Hololive)
>40,178: Pekora (Hololive)
>37,222: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>28,491: Pekora (Hololive)
>25,635: Hal (Neo Porte)
>19,247: Miko (Hololive)
>17,765: Miko (Hololive)
>13,403: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,927: Mumei (Hololive)
>12,332: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>12,219: Mio (Hololive)
>12,100: Suisei (Hololive)
>11,347: Toko (Nijisanji)
>11,203: Hal (Neo Porte)
>10,459: Okayu (Hololive)
>10,341: Towa (Hololive)
>10,091: IRyS (Hololive)

>>22250788
Answer me >>22250634

I posted in the last thread just before it got archived but I'll post it here too since we are already in dead hours zone.

Tribalism, doomposting and shitposting aside should Nijisanji do something extreme to reverse their recline as a company or should they just accept that they are heading towards a future where they are a smaller company?

The worrying part is not that they are not the number one company in the industry anymore. If they were growing but not as fast as Hololive I think they would be fine, the problem is that they are reclining massively while the industry is growing, it just doesn't make sense.
>Hololive is growing.
>Vshojo is growing.
>VSPO is growing.
>More JP and EN corpos showing up.
>Nijisanji is the one of the very few companies that are neither growing nor remain stable but reclining instead.

I've seen people in this thread before trying to handwave the issue saying that "it's fine they are still doing "good enough", they don't have to worry" but to me that sounds like people either being too delusional or just getting defensive because they perceive the critism as doomposting/shitposting.

*FINAL ID TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes:
>8016: Moona (HololiveID)
>5707: Moona (HololiveID)
>5159: Moona (HololiveID)
>4904: Zeta (HololiveID)
>1292: Anya (HololiveID)
>1267: Mythia (Indie)
>1039: Chloe (Re:Memories)
>975: Bonnivier (Nijisanji ID)
>901: Mika (Nijisanji ID)
>866: Rai (Nijisanji ID)
>446: Andi (MAHA5)
>377: Nekoyama (Yume Reality)
>365: Nekoyama (Yume Reality)
>312: Tsuyu (Yume Reality)
>363: Siska (Nijisanji ID)
>270: Zen (MAHA5)
>224: Etna (Nijisanji ID)
>204: Xia (Nijisanji ID)

Yeah lol my fault. Vrabi counts Zeta stream as 4/12 so I missed it. Added her peak before 1A.M JST. That's about it.

>>22250810
Stop putting word in my mouth faggot.
Your criteria is too limiting, it doesn't leave any spot for a late breakout star that Holo is known.
Look at Mio for fucks sake, her numbers are inclining, but even if she were to explode in popularity later she wouldn't make the cut because your criteria is stupid, understand nigger?

If you guys were ranking the most influential holos, where would Subaru, Marine, Pekora, Suisei rank? At least in the top half, but would any of them rank in the top 10?

/#/ is declining.

>>22250930
APRIL 2022 GOLD
1) Okayu (Hololive) - 30,905 - Okakoro Third anniversary
2) Aqua (Hololive) - 86,420 - APEX Custom
3) Hal (Neo Porte) - 95,353 - VSaikyo landing spot lottery
4) Calli (Hololive) - 79,452 - 3D Birthday Concert
5) Aqua (Hololive) - 42,453 - Eating Sushi
6) Okayu (Hololive) - 53,422 - Totsu
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 34,076 - Horror game
8) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,820 - APEX custom
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 45,568 - Elden Ring
10) Pekora (Hololive) - 37,343 - Elden Ring
11) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,239 - APEX custom

> PER COMPANY
10x: Hololive
1x: Neo Porte

> PER STREAMER
4x: Aqua
2x: Okayu, Pekora
1x: Hal, Calli, Subaru

>>22250947
a picture for ants

*FINAL TW TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>565: Lutralutra (Rescute)
>526: Margaret Winters (Cloud Horizon)
>340: HaiZ (Monstar)
>332: Amrzs (Monstar)
>262: Chilla Behemes (Storia)

>>22250962
On what ground? Subaru, marine and pekora and other holomens made hololive as a vtuber juggernaut it is today, while Suisei contribution is mostly on he music side.

>>22250947
>peak before 1A.M JST
That's not what the cutoff is for. Her stream started after midnight JST so it should count for yhe next day's tally.

>>22250946
Trust the plan.
ACCELERATE INTO THE GROUND

* NIJISANJI TALLY OF THE DAY *

>37.524: Kuzuha
>12.402: Yuki Chihiro
>11.459: Inui Toko
>8.980: Tsukino Mito
>8.844: Ibrahim
>8.797: Vox Akuma (Nijisanji EN)
>7.756: Furen E Lustario
>7.537: Hayato Kagami
>7.450: Fuwa Minato
>7.123: Kanae
>6.317: Sasaki Saku
>5.380: Shu Yamino (Nijisanji EN)
>5.173: Amamiya Kokoro
>5.137: Ars Almal
>5.106: Shu Yamino (Nijisanji EN)

>>22251019
damn, we should stop counting NijiEN number too then.

>>22250888
Stop talking about Fauna motherfucker.

>>22250947
5x kobo
3x moona
1x zeta, risu, ollie

moona slowly catching up kobo

>22250810
The late JP gens are definitely suffering from market saturation, they are competing against their own coworkers. Same timeslots, same games, same styles of content, to a degree similiar onscreen personas, it's not sustainable.

>>22250821
*FINAL ID TALLY OF THE DAY*

>8016: Moona (HololiveID)
>5707: Moona (HololiveID)
>5159: Moona (HololiveID)
>1292: Anya (HololiveID)
>1267: Mythia (Indie)
>1039: Chloe (Re:Memories)
>975: Bonnivier (Nijisanji ID)
>901: Mika (Nijisanji ID)
>866: Rai (Nijisanji ID)
>446: Andi (MAHA5)
>377: Nekoyama (Yume Reality)
>365: Nekoyama (Yume Reality)
>312: Tsuyu (Yume Reality)
>363: Siska (Nijisanji ID)
>270: Zen (MAHA5)
>224: Etna (Nijisanji ID)
>204: Xia (Nijisanji ID)

>>22251094
Poor sapling. I really think /#/ isn't for you anon.

>>22250774
Anon the Utaites who get into Major Labels range from fucking Ado to Kuroneko who sang for anime openings.

>>22251081
Im talking about the image, is too small

>>22250821
*FINAL TWITCH TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

- 11 April Peak Name Group
> 37,876 Veibae (EN VShojo)
> 9,351 Jingburger (KR Isegye Idol)
> 9,044 Gosegu (KR Isegye Idol)
> 6,302 zrush (CN Indy)
> 6,032 Shylily (EN Indy)
> 5,899 CodeMiko (EN Indy)
> 5,097 ( 3,127 non-raid) nihmune (EN Indy)
> 4,874 Nachoneko (JP Indy)
> 4,747 ( 2,250 non-raid) Yuzu (EN Indy)
> 4,566 AdmiralBahroo (EN Indy)
> 4,473 Melody (EN VShojo)
> 3,661 kson (JP Indy)
> 3,332 Saruei (EN Indy)
> 3,284 Bery Sihyí (CN Indy)
> 3,012 MurderCrumpet (EN Indy)
> 2,672 ( subathon day peak) OniGiri (EN Indy)
> 2,229 StarVTuber (EN Indy)
> 2,176 ( subathon day peak) Natsumiii (EN Indy)
> 2,140 Snow Hite (KR Indy)
> 2,069 Chibidoki (EN Indy)
> 2,061 ( 1,226 non-raid) Emikukis (EN Indy)
> 2,060 ash (EN Indy)
> 2,035 OkCode (EN Indy)
> 1,663 KendoMurft (EN Indy)
> 1,385 radiyu (KR Indy)
> 1,380 Karubi Akami (JP Indy)
> 1,378 Limes (EN Vinesauce)
> 1,205 Lumituber (EN Indy)
> 1,139 Shibuya Hal (JP Neo-Porte)
> 1,120 Rainhoe (EN Indy)
> 1,072 Onyu (KR Indy)
> 1,068 BuffPup (EN Indy)
> 1,018 rh_ryu (KR Revolution ENT)

>>22251124
I'm not the one posting this btw

>>22250283
RBC would unironically be high mid tier as a Niji... I'm so glad that lunahime left that shit hole as early as she did because leaving that place for Hololive now is probably going to be near impossible with all the tribalism between the fanbases.

>>22250962
Pekora
Suisei
Marine
Subaru

Pekora and Suisei in the top 10 for sure. The other two are borderline.

>>22250962
Being influential only matters when you're still in that position in the scene/industry. Look at someone like Fubuki now, she's in pure maintenance mode.

>>22250946
Their ACCELERATE model was never sustainable. It offered short term gains but the quality got affected and the brand lost prestige

>>22251137
That's... exactly my point anon.

>>22251158
Is there really a vtuber named Jingburger?

>>22251158
>37k
>no raids
What happened?

>>22250957
Mio wouldn't make the cut because Mio isn't a star and will never be. Holo's heavy hitters all hit their stride within the first year of their career with the exception of Miko and Subaru who took about a year and a half.

>>22250997
Aqua on pace to get more golds by herself than every other company's vtubers put together

Here is another chart, to help anons in their debate about "2020+ debuts".

Here is the 2022 Q1 median of peak CCV ranking for the JP streamers from both companies that debuted in 2020 or after that.

This chart only has streamers with 15 or more streams between Jan and Mar 2022 so the Ranunculus girls aren't included.

I have to say three things surprised me
1) some Holostars outranking some Selejo
2) Meifu being this strong and outranking Polka and Lui
3) Lauren being the strongest 2020+ debut for NIjisanji

I don't know what's going on with Lauren situation right now but it would be a huge loss if he doesn't come back, and I had no idea how HUGE

>>22250908
What kind of bait is this ? Are you trying to be creative or what

>>22251225
comback stream for like a month of no streams
ultra coomer model
and being teasing this shit for like half a year.

>>22250732
As long as Nijisanji is still drawing huge crowds for tournaments and events (3D debuts/NJU), then they have nothing to worry about.
Their stars are stable and household names now so they've kinda reached the point of Kizuna AI where their daily numbers aren't that important, they still get sponsorships off of name recognition and clout. For example, Sasaki and Shiina are as well-known as Holos despite their actual numbers being mid-tier at best.
Another thing that people have kinda forgotten is that while he has been stagnant in 2022, Kuzuha himself inclined a lot in 2021. He wasn't even a 15k+ median dude in 2020.
Their units are still doing well and the programs on the main channel still get good views. ROF-MAO's upload 2 days ago almost has 1 mil views already.
The lack of new stars is concerning, but honestly Luxiem has done a pretty good job at drawing in new fans into the fandom from outside of Japan.

Thinking any of the smaller corpos are getting close to Nijisanji is just pure delusion imo. VSPO getting mid-tier NijiJP numbers in dead hours without overlap doesn't affect the infrastructure and connections Anycolor has built up over 4 years.

>>22250821
*FINAL ID TALLY OF THE DAY*

>8016: Moona (HololiveID)
>5707: Moona (HololiveID)
>5159: Moona (HololiveID)
>1292: Anya (HololiveID)
>1267: Mythia (Indie)
>1039: Chloe (Re:Memories)
>975: Bonnivier (Nijisanji ID)
>901: Mika (Nijisanji ID)
>866: Rai (Nijisanji ID)
>446: Andi (MAHA5)
>377: Nekoyama (Yume Reality)
>365: Nekoyama (Yume Reality)
>312: Tsuyu (Yume Reality)
>363: Siska (Nijisanji ID)
>270: Zen (MAHA5)
>224: Etna (Nijisanji ID)
>204: Xia (Nijisanji ID)

Is Haachama's career salvageable at this point? I saw her today 20 minutes into a karaoke getting like 2.5k. Even her reddit meme review was completely anemic. Is she now officially down in the bottom with Choco, Mel, Roboco, Sora, and Mel, and is she stuck there permanently?

>>22251263
Here from last thread:
>"Roboco line" table

Roboco being the lowest ranked HoloJP girl, compared with NijiJP girls

>>22251225
New outfit.

>>22251158
So, biggest indie is some EN whoretuber?

>>22251235
Retard-kun, you wouldn't think that Aqua and fucking Suisei would be a breakout stars like they are right now too if you only look at their debuts and early years.

>>22250962
1. Pekora
2. Gura
3. Marine
4. Ame
5. Calli
6. Kiara
7. Ollie
8. Miko
9. Suisei
10. Mumei

>>22251196
The way you listed it makes it sound like it's not a big deal when it is because those people are absolutely huge.

>>22251322
And here is Stars vs Niji JP boys

>>22251353
terrible bait

>>22251263
Even if he did come back would anyone be able to take Nippleman seriously again?

>>22251263
There's actually a 2k gulf between Lui and Kaida.

Well it's been 3 days and Pomu still seems to be banned from Nina's chat kek
I wonder how long they're gonna drag out this "joke".

>>22251353
Please explain Ame, Kiara, Ollie, Mumei

>>22251235
>Suityan's first year
Either you're a clairvoyant or just a liar if you really thought her performance in 2019 is any indication of her success now.

>>22251291
What happened to Ai?

>>22251353
Cumbuds your oshi should be below migo

>>22251225
Lore re-debut and costume reveal + return
Actual peak was a bit over 39k, so she beat Bubi's debut, but no tracker site caught it.

>>22251304
I'm not the one re-post this btw

>>22251353
(you)

>>22251343
Newfag, Aqua was literally carrying hololive alongside Fubuki in her first year and Suisei inclined super hard after joining hololive. Stop talking about things you have no idea about, there's nothing wrong with the latest holos being a bunch of mediocrities but they certainly don't qualify to be called stars.

>>22251050
You fucking newfags, I swear. Okay, look at picrel. Notice the stream started 00:04 midnight JST, and the peak happened before 1 AM? Yes it still counted for the day's tally instead of the day after.

>>22251397
lmao what happened?

>>22250962
influential by what metric

To anons talking about a Stars Incline last thread.

Stars simply aren't up to Hololive's standards. They're all contend to stream their own brainless games. Do they ever even gather for big branch events organized amongst themselves? Nope. The last one I can remember was their Amogus stream before Rika graduated. That shit was doing good numbers for all of them. Did they capitalize on that and go back to big branch wide collabs? Nope.

Big collabs amongst themselves> their collective fanbase has eyes on them> more clips highlighting all of them>more chances to go viral. Even fucking HololiveEN's Council does unique even shit like april fools model swaps, or gender swaps. That shit doesn't even cost money like Myth's 3d VR stuff.

Stars have accepted they're failures and will never incline. They have no talent up to Hololive's big hitter standards. They're an entire branch of Roboccos and Chocos. The boys are OVERRATED.

>>22251356
My bad then.My point is that major label isn't exactly THAT rare so putting it as a criteria for popularity is dumb.

>>22251263
>Lauren
Is he back yet?

>>22251397
Maybe Nina actually forgot she did that.

why doesn't hololive ascend more indies like they did to Suisei? Doesn't her success prove it works?

>>22251307
>Is she now officially down in the bottom
CCV wise she's there since November anon. If much she's inclining in March and April, from a 2k+ median to her current 6k median in April with 10 streams.

>>22251481
No.

>>22251343
Holy fucking newfag, Aqua was *the* biggest Holo in CCV and SC in 2019

>>22251444
check pic, Pomu advertised her "cooler minecraft stream" on Nina's chat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZzClCtJFU&t=15492s

Didn't think she actually banned her though kek. She probably forgot to unban afterwards.

>>22251399
>most influential holos
We're not talking about retarded horse racing metrics like CCV here, anyone who denies the influence Ame, Kiara, Ollie or Mumei has had on stream creativity and other holos definitely doesn't watch streams.

>>22251481
nope not yet, will he come back ? only he himself knows at this point

>>22251485
Contracts. Maybe indies should be proactive in applying. Miko, Suisei, Azki, and Roboco are adoptions. As far as I know, only hololive does adoptions.

>>22250946
>Nijisanji is the one of the very few companies that are neither growing nor remain stable but reclining instead.
The daily numbers are down, but their big events and tournaments are drawing much bigger numbers in late 2021 and 2022 than before.

And this is only true if you don't count foreign branches because I think Luxiem has inclined more in the past few months than VSPO has. People think of VSPO as just Nose and Noah, but they have a lot of dead weight too.

I wouldn't say Nijisanji is thriving, but this is still doomposting.

>>22251263
What I'm seeing here is that La+ is quicjly going down and Shishiro Botan is closest thing nu JPs have to a star, and that's purely based on game skill.

>>22251434
No one denied that faggot, but do you really thought that Aqua would reached her current performance now just by looking into her 2018 self?
don't lie to yourself just to prove an internet point to a stranger

>>22251485
The same reason anykara doesnt ascend people like kuzuha anymore, i dont know

>>22251485
because they are not a small company anymore

>>22251438
Seriously, anon, let it go. You know you're just wasting your time trying to educate those people.

>>22251454
Influence. If you think that can be defined by a single numerical metric congrats you have autism, or is a sports team's biggest star always just the player who scores the most points?

>>22251397
now I understand why nina is pissed off. What the fuck, such a BM move by Pomu.

>>22251407
Dead subs and channel for almost years now.
Still gets a shitton of sponsorships and mainstream respect because she has clout as Oyabun.

>>22251537
Robocosan is not an adoption

>>22251501
The biggest chuuba in 2018 doesn't mean jackshit compared to Aqua number and popularity now idiot. that's my point.

>>22250946
>>Vshojo is growing.
Ironmouse is growing. The rest are either kinda stable or reclining.
VSHOJO IS MORE THAN JUST VEIBAE, NYANNERS AND IRONMOUSE BTW

>>22251485
No point really, they are big enough to be picky and let the hitters or those with potential come to them without taking a risk and recruiting an armed landmine.

>>22251549
Don't be a retard, Aqua was already a star in 2018 going by 2018 conditions. Why the fuck are you bringing up her current performance?

>>22251216
Yes

>>22251485
Negotiating model rights with something pre-existing is a chore, even moreso now that Hololive is the top dog and everyone will want a bucket of cash + recurrent royalties to let them use it. Easier to just have everyone reroll and wink wink nudge nudge to get their former audience to follow them to the new character.

>>22251397
Is that a baby Alban?

>>22251618
not him but he said 2019, so point invalidated

>>22251291
>so they've kinda reached the point of Kizuna AI where their daily numbers aren't that important, they still get sponsorships off of name recognition and clout
Anon, I agree with most of your point except this one.

This exact thinking was the undoing of Kizuna AI character
It got so disconnected from her streaming / game playing activities they reached the natural conclusion of her evolution from Let's Player to Virtual Idol and cut out the "meatbox" that produces her voice and kept only the character, to inhabit the "Hatsune Miku" immortal ageless company mascot genre instead of the "Tsukino Mito" genre.

I sincerely and seriously wish you are wrong that Nijisanji characters can stand by themselves disconnected from their daily activities.

>>22251414
Such a good model wasted.

>>22251613
Okay, but my point still stands.

>>22251407
she graduated "for an indefinite hiatus"

>covid buff

>>22251438
>>22251590
Just stop wasting time arguing about an ID tally. I already notice the mistake. Also someone repost the tally for me so I guess I'll correct it when this thread die.

>>22251537
Roboco is more like, realization.
from tech demo to an actual chuuba.

>>22251619
>the most family friendly vshojo is the only one inclining
Lol

>>22251599
this is a numbers thread, I'm interested in what numbers you were thinking about when you said influence. It doesn't have to be one number, you can give more than one metric

>>22251643
Do you know what a breakout star means anon?
Aqua in 2018 is big but compared to other big chuuba like Ai and Mito she was nothing. Now? She's a fucking juggernaut, a breakout stars if you will.

>>22251619
this is going to get painfully clear when they add a bunch of new apricots to the team from the new applicants

>>22251414
>>22250855

>>22250962
Objectively, and not by deluded criteria like CCV?

1)Sora
2)FBK
3)Aqua
4)Coco
5)Miko and Korone, big EOP draws
6)Gura for exploding the EN market
7)Mori also for exploding the EN market

It might hurt gen3 fags, but all they have is good stream numbers, they did not at any point carry or expand the company. Pekora's numbers are basically Pekora's alone anyway.

>>22251485
>why doesn't hololive ascend more indies like they did to Suisei?
Because they aren't retards

>Doesn't her success prove it works?
It proves in the exact same way Rushia's demise would prove hiring talent out of NND circles does not work.
>it doesn't and one example doesn't make a pattern

The main reason would be: why negotiate for control of a character, model and name with a person when they can simply hire a contractor and provide with everything while keeping ownership?

>>22251657
I don't think Alban is a dog/cat/whatever, he just has weird goggles. That's probably Mysta?

>>22251658
That anon I'm arguing initially said 2020 so he's even more dumb.

>>22251590
Yes, I DO know, but this is gonna be the last time I'm gonna put in any effort, anyway.

Just some general subscriber gain stuff I made.
>You will see Vox pass at least one Myth member within the year

>bleeds more subs

>>22251547
>and that's purely based on game skill.
It's not? Botan laughter is what defines her, she rarely plays games on "serious mode", her goofing off (while still playing at a decent level) is what makes her streams so good

>>22251652
Oh shit it's the long lost Luxiem sister.

Man these threads have really declined since Niji stopped putting up a fight. To think I would be nostalgic for Koshien shitposting.

>>22251754
Has there been any news on that front? The whole farce with auditions to VShojo has been so fucking unnecessary and somehow even then it managed to fuck their rep somewhat.

>>22251707
>the next highest subbed holo after the JP monster squad is... Ame
What the fuck? Every time I try to watch her I just get bored to tears.

>>22251485
I can't imagine the level of seethe if an EN indie got into Hololive without giving up their character. Not from holofags, but from other indies.

>>22251817
Vox won't even make it into 800k by the end of this year. mark my word.

Holy fuck all these newfags or just ass blasted nijinigger in action?

>>22251817
Won't happen, he'll slow down before that. He'd have to get to like 1.5M by 2023 to even tie Kiara.

>>22251537
Nijisanji did it too, Kuzuha was recruited for instance.
It's only in the last 2 years that the model fell out of favor.
Plenty of smaller corpos still do it, like with Miori, who went from MyHolo to Indy, to Tsunderia

>>22251768
Sora is 2019 - 2020 Hololive. But 2021 most influential should be Fubuki, 2022 would be Aqua/Suisei

>>22251855
Different strokes for different folks. just like how I can't watch Mori yet she clearly has big viewership.

>>22251855
it's sorted by subs per day

>>22251661
>I sincerely and seriously wish you are wrong that Nijisanji characters can stand by themselves disconnected from their daily activities.
That's not what I mean, Nijis still stream ofc.
I meant it more like Honhima is a 2k shitter now, but people know who is from when she was popular years ago.
And it's not like the most well known Nijis get objectively bad daily numbers, it's just underwhelming when compared to Holos.

Kizuna AI was a unique case of major mismanagement that permanently hurt her popularity. Nothing like that has happened to Nijisanji yet.

>>22251819
bitch streams less than Sana! i can't even find her videos any more, the algo burried her

>>22251707
So close Goomba

>>22251754
They’re probably just going to hire the orbiters anyways. The audition is a sham.

>>22251879
Vox will make it to 800k within July, mark MY word. I've marked yours before

>>22251950
a...anon

>>22251307
>Even her reddit meme review was completely anemic.
Tbf, meme reviews are less about the memes and more about interaction with the guest. This should be also be obvious from Coco always picking shitty tier lists to discuss.
That and Haachama's ESL filter mean her meme reviews will never reach Coco's level.
If it was just the memes alone, it would just be like any other content review - which do get decent numbers, don't get me wrong, but nowhere near Coco-tier.

>>22251707
Gura is still growing faster than Aqua. That's absurd.

>>22250946
Acceleration with no plan doesn't work. If they were aggressively going after new niches with each new wave that would be fine. Something like this:
Lazulight (female variety)
Luxiem (male variety)
All artist wave
All ESPORTS wave
Twitch-only wave
All furfag wave

At least the acceleration would've made sense, but they kept releasing more of the same. The repetitiveness is killing them

>>22251977
can't wait to grudge post the shit out of ya

>>22251263
isn't this proof vtubing is dying? since 2020 neither of anycolor or cover have produced a streamer that gets 20k+ medians despite producing multiple before. Where are the new Pekoras, Marines, Aquas, Kuzuhas?
Isn't it meaningful that they can't make anyone that big anymore, that building an audience as big as the old titans was something you could only do back in the before-times?

>>22251866
Nah it would inspire them that they could do it too. Imagine if VOMs finally kicked the bucket for whatever reason and they just let Pikamee in without even being in a proper Gen.

>>22251942
I'm amazed that the voice actor rrat is still alive to this day.

>>22251731
You're blinded by Apex CCV, Aqua was famous in a way no gen 5 or 6 chuuba is soon after debut and the same can be said for all of the actual stars in hololive. Of which none can be found in any holoJP debut in 2020 and beyond. None of them are household names unlike Fubuki, Aqua, Pekora, Coco and HoloMyth.

Damn i must have missed her 700k celebration stream, what did she do?

>>22251291
>household names
mmm, other than Mito only Gibara and Lulu were household names I'd say (maybe Deron as well). And both of them are gone now.

>>22251778
No no no, you could keep correct me when I'm wrong if you want. After all you just want to make the tally better

>>22251936
I mean I was pretty clear that I ranked them based on how big their contributions are. Marine,Pekora and Subaru are insanely heavy hitters but they basically get to run because a lot of others walked first. EN is in my ranking for handling their own parallel market (which is also big enough to count, sorry ID but maybe gen 3 can fix that for you).

>>22251994
Gura is the only holo caught in a legit feedback loop. She could stop streaming right now and her subs would probably still continue to rise at the same pace.

>>22251754
I mean what's even the point, Vshojo members pretty much do everything alone more members don't make that group stronger

>>22251817
Depends on how many accounts his chink fanbase can spin up. It's not as thought that sort of behavior HASN'T been documented to happen in the same demographics (fucking Kpop).

>>22252041
In case you still didn't get it, by star power I don't mean within Hololive, but by entire chuuba sphere.

>>22251729
Hiring unironic hardcore idol tryhards would be the best hires they could make.

>>22252010
Vtubing is stagnating in Japan, it's thriving and growing in the West except that Youtube culls holoEN numbers but you'll see it's true if you look at Twitch.

>>22252010
Cull + mature and saturated market, less room for new people to carve away fans of someone they've been following 2-4 years now.

>>22251924
Kiara will be at 1.5M at September 2023. If Vox can keep up his pace (he's only been increasing since debut) then he should pass her in 6-7 months, much less almost 16 months from now

>>22251530
I'll give you Ame and MAYBE Ollie but I really don't see how Kiara has influenced much considering she's pretty par for the course especially when compared to JPs.
I also don't see how Mumei has done fucking anything of influence at all.

>>22251841
The death of Niji JP as a serious contender at the top has been one of the two landmark shifts that severely degraded this thread after Coco's graduation killed off any real possibility of records being broken in the near future

>>22251855
Gurame was briefly the pekomiko of EN at the height of vtubing, and Ame is the source of quite a few EN injokes and memes, the smol holos being the chief example (why Cover hasn't just paid walfie to make some fucking smol council I don't know)

>>22252010
Subaru inclined 3 years after debut. Lamy is literally a business woman selling out merch and products. Gen 6 still hasn't gotten their 3d yet and they're still 3 months in. Towa is inclining hard on her singing career.

>>22252105
I get the feeling that would be like trying to pen in a swan in a pig sty and expect people to visit for the swan.

>>22252123
Kiara is pretty influential within EN chuuba sphere, not as big as Gura and Mori though.

So... any prediction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2_BrL2uuXE

>>22251994
It takes some time for the monthly growth to reflect a buff period, if Aqua streams enough this week she can get a higher growth than Gura. Of course, it will only be a temporary buff much like Fubuki's pokemon arc in december.

>>22251768
decent list honestly, how about 8-10? would Suisei not even rank there? Also would any other ENs rank in the top half?

>>22252099
Counting by the entire chuuba sphere it makes holoJP's recent recruits look even worse since they're literally outshined by VSPO and VShojo so you do you.

>>22250946
>>>Vshojo is growing.
Kinda what anon said
>>22251619

I've been collecting the Twitch data and it is just Mousey who hit the limelight.

But that's mostly because the others straight up haven't streamed more than a handful this passed month, and then some.
Due to sickness and other issues, but still, normally, not streaming on Twitch is a death sentence. Just look at Veibei's sub decline, losing 1/2 within a month.
They're lucky to have grown a brand as part of a relatively big community, to be able to come back to big numbers.

>>22251879
Don't Jinx it.

>>22251263
>it would be a huge loss if he doesn't come back
Lauren was legit inclining before the nipple incident.
I think he joined CRcup and he got a lot of attention because Kuzuha didn't join and Lauren is supposed to be actually good (dox said he was a former pred I think).
He then joined the Valorant tournament and got good numbers for that too.
He became pretty integrated in the FPS crowd so he was looking to be getting Ib's numbers in future.
Before all this, he was stuck in 2-4k hell like most of Edengumi.

Now, he might just quietly graduate...

>>22252041
The fact that Aqua was the biggest or 2nd biggest vtuber in China, got chopped off at the knees by Taiwangate, and still came back to be in the top 5 of the modern era is impressive as hell.

>>22251817
It's another "nijinigger believes in infinite growth" episode

>>22252073
Nah, they'd probably drop down to a 'measly' 40ksih a month. Clippers have yet to need to do what they've done for Ayame (dive through old vods for material for clips), but they would do it if it still got views, and it'd feed back into Gura's subgrowth.

>>22252117
His pace already slowed down from 5k /day.

>>22252170
500k within 4 days

>>22252182
You don't really believe that do you? Vspo is at best a 2nd place shitter.

>>22252160
I'm glad Towa is going deep with the music gig, her 2022 singles have all been really solid so far.

>>22252158
council's weird vr models are funny

>>22252170
Depends on Susan, the algo needs to pick it up.
cute

Not enough people are talking about this but jesus ER is one hell of a buff to Pekora, she is getting double the usual VOD view on 2 of her ER VOD in half the time compare to her usual stream
Consider the ccv I say this would be her sacrifice a bit of ccv for VOD views

>>22251998
I will be right. It's incredibly fun to search "vox hololive" or "vox sana" and sort by earliest posts

>>22252189
man, it actually sounds tragic when you put it like that
nipples are too dangerous

>>22252170
1m by the end of the week. Also hi DuDuL, we know it's you.

>>22252049
Nothing. She isn't thesame as the nijifags.

>>22252238
VSPO girls are more well known in the Japanese chuuba scene than shitters like Nene.

>>22251942
>I meant it more like Honhima is a 2k shitter now, but people know who is from when she was popular years ago.
That's my point too tho, the one calculation I wouldn't want Anycolor doing anytime, EVER!
>that there is no downside (or even that there is an upside) to let (let's say) Sasaki voice and soul go because they won't make any less money with her merch and character

That exact line of thought is more or less what kicked off the whole upd8 debacle and killed them, when they essentially sold out to people so disconnected with the vtuber world they
>correctly
identified that Kizuna AI was a profit center but Non-chan was a cost center

The whole vtuber world only exists at the present day form because both COVER and Anycolor leadership have an attachment to the talent as much as they have an obligation to steer the ship.
That, incidentally, is why Cover doesn't cut their losses on their male branches and Anycolor, on the bottom half of the Roboco-line chart (>>22251322)

The millisecond any of both companies starts thinking
>I can make more money just letting the talent go and cashing in on their established characters
the industry will be as dead as Kizuna right now

>>22252269
You just got lucky Sana was hit by multiple disasters. Don't push your luck now Voxfags, or else Watamage would be tempted to send her curse.

>>22251657
>>22251775
it's Alban, just check the title jesus

>>22251907
Must be Newfag. I remember people only talking about big numbers at Japan prime time. Now some nigger keeps talking nonsense or mentioning NijiEn even they have bad numbers

>>22252208
>5k a day
anon...

>>22252073
I don't know, Youtube culls her subs pretty hard.

>>22252041
>myth
They are a shitter compared to aqua nowadays

>>22252117
What the fuck numbers are you using? Kiara gained somewhere between 10-20k subs last month. Even going with exactly 10k she would beat your timeline substantially.

>>22252244
Council just didn't click with him, and you definitely don't want to force that sort of thing as it'd just come across as soulless.

>>22252295
>JP chuuba scene
We're talking globally here anon. Also APEX while mainstream is still a niche compared to idol stuff.

>>22252183
Twitch seems way too cutthroat for long term brand building because you are fucking nuked into the void of nothingness the second you're off the air.

>>22252170
I don't really watch any of the EN girls but that is some good animation, holy shit. Nice job, Dudul.

>>22252332
Vox-poster can't read.

>>22251307
Haachama ONLY ever got big because of schizo arc and cooking, I don't think she has sustainable consistent ccv streams apart from that or the occasional mc.

>>22252332
ESLchama

>>22252189
Opsec, people. Opsec.

>>22252269
Sananiggers, what happened?

>>22252423
newfag, haachama got big initially because of those Haachama Sunday type streams and chink spergs out.

>>22252306
Oh yeah for sure.
Like imagine if Cover rehired another VA for Rushia because they fired Mikeneko. The shitstorm might actually permanently damage Hololive.
Switching VAs is the big no no of the industry.

>>22252358
im using this chart I just made
>>22251817
All info pulled from Playboard, also
>Kiara got 10k-20k subs last month
>Vox got 137,000k subs last month
there's your problem anon, you cant do math

kek is this Luca's mod whining about Pomu?

>>22252170
Wish he would branch out from Just Gura stuff.

>>22252183
Holy fuck, thanks for clearing things up, anon.

>>22252332
>Voxfags with terrible reading comprehension
Must be a female chink

If we are numbefagging influence then the order would be
1. AI
2. MITO
3. FUBUKI

>>22252423
Haachama like the rest of gen 1 (unfortunately), are the weakest in terms of numbers. She literally inclined due to haachama cooking and the taiwan ark where anyone subbed to coco are subbed to her too.

>>22252208
He got 6k yesterday

donation reading is pretty profitable despite low ccv

>>22252189
Yeah, to add to that he even got his moments in the Mario Kart tournament they held before. A shame really what happened to him.

>>22252510
I'm sorry but female NTR is hilarious.

>>22252562
Is an outlier supposed to be an argument?

>>22252178
I stopped there because I considered there was too much of a powergap between the top 7 and other holos. 8-10 I'd add Suzy, Marine and Pekora sure, but I don't have an argument other then "their numbers are big" except for Suzy who is the biggest music holo.

Def no ENs rank that high in relevance other than Gura and Mori though. Mind you there are many holos that act as multipliers for the others (Gamers, Shion, Kanata, Ame/Ina) giving them chances to shine, and are important in the grand scheme of things.

>>22252517
Mumei shenanigans with his animation talent would be kino ngl.

>>22252510
NijiEN is a blight upon this earth.

>>22252517
Lmao, Gura is the sole reason why he pick back animation and he seem full on his hand with just Gura and rl work

>>22252170
Gura voice-packs when?

>>22252615
I means hes been 5k for the past couple of days now... maybe its too soon to jump on trends

Imagine numbers thread where only posters that watched chuubas since 2019 can post so I don't have to read all the retarded shit from newfags.

>>22252517
The man does it out of love. No one puts this amount of time into animating shit just for the clicks when images+holo voices get way more views. Note that he said his youtube numbers are irrelevant (literally, he came here and said it) compared to twitter.

>>22252506
You're the one who thinks it will take Kiara until September 2023 to get 150k subs.

>>22252269
> Sana

>>22252267
It actually hasn’t been that great. I mean this sincerely; Sekiro was spoken ill of a lot around here since it crippled her ccv but vod wise, they are not THAT far off her Elden Ring series. Which is a problem and a half, because ER’s been hitting way higher peaks and way higher avg ccv.

I’ll be honest with you, this is probably one of Pekora’s worst performances relative to her ccv. To a point where I’d say she has way less tourists/outsiders actually tuning into her and is stuck at just the typical set of fans who tune in.

I’m not gonna bother comparing her to others because I know anons get pissy about it, with one schizo continuously thinking any critique means anti. But in the end, it’s just a slightly above average series for her so far. She would’ve had WAY better results if she actually started it earlier on but what can ya do

>>22252676
How did 2019 filter the Zhangs out?

>>22252168
what? How has Kiara influenced anyone? She has like no talents or viral moments unlike meme shark or music. explain

>>22252510
This is sad to read but I'm also kinda giggling reading this. That aside, she might have to reevaluate things going on with their relationship and maybe considering to end it for good.

>>22252510
Could just be someone larping a well-known situation for kicks.

>>22252571
that's pretty good not counting what they get in StreamLabs.

>>22252473
Sana happened

On the actual topic, >1M sub daily growth is actually hard to calculate, due to the 10k increments. Fucking Susan man

>>22252746
ID3 doesn't have streamlabs tho

>>22252676
Threads would last a week but honestly I'd appreciate that

>>22252676
It's called /jp/.

>>22252571
I took a glance at her chat and holy shit, people seems to really like the mommy angle.

>>22252722
She's literally bridging between EN and JP fandom anon, Coco started it but she doesn't go the extra mile of collabing with jp and translating the entire thing. I know that Kiara is not that popular here but at least give her credit when it's due.

>>22252500
>Switching VAs is the big no no of the industry
I’m not talking about that tho, but the other way around.

Imagine either Cover cutting the stars loose or Anycolor cutting the girls below Roboco loose, but explicitly saying
> we would like to thank the voice behind Astel / Sister Claire for their amazing job and wish them best luck in their future endeavors.
> Astel / Sister Clair is still living tho, stay tuned for new exciting projects involving your beloved vtuber.

That’s essentially what (presumably the zhangs) just did to Kizuna: they took the soul away and will keep just the character to sell merch and whatever else.

>>22252667
Yeah, NTA, but I'm not going to consider Vox slowing down until he gets to 2-3k a day.
I don't think he'll make it to 800k in July tho because at that pace, he might even end up being the 2nd Niji to 1 mil subs and leapfrogging Kanae.

>>22252782
/jp/ are such oldfags they're downright senile schizos. They keep the oldest of grudges and its just a tangled web of bullshit with them.

>>22252782
You fucking wish, that place was killed a year ago majority of oldfags left to twitter and personal bunkers.

>>22252773
They have sociabuzz, local streamlabs-like donation.

>>22252703
Hell, Elden Ring #1 is Pekora's third best performing VOD in 2022.

>>22252757
You can blame pewdiepie for that.

>>22252168
>Kiara is pretty influential within EN chuuba sphere
Pffthahaha. Goddamn KFP.

>11k for normal Mori ER
>almost 9k when overlapping Kiara the whole time
>only 8k when cheating by using player summons when you can't beat something despite no EN overlap

>>22252773
oh sorry, i meant socialbuzz

>>22252809
I'd be like Cover still selling Coco and Rushia merch. tasteless, but some people would still buy it, either out of nostalgia or just because they like the designs. And it would be less tasteless if they still got a cut of the sales, which maybe Ai still does?

>>22252830
Horseshoe theory is real, late 2019-early 2020 fags are the only non-schizo chuuba enjoyers

>>22252306
>>The millisecond any of both companies starts thinking
>>I can make more money just letting the talent go and cashing in on their established characters
>the industry will be as dead as Kizuna right now

The problem with Anycolor is that because of this bottleneck, they are currently stuck with a bunch of people who aren't really contributing much to the greater Nijisanji ecosystem.
Sure, they don't really have much of a "cost" since their model costs and stuff have already been paid for.
But because of the sheer number of talents, they are in a position where they cannot capitalize on certain opportunities that are right in front of them.
> long-ass back catalog of 3D lives.
> every single Niji separate from the greater whole contributes to the initial impression of Nijisanji being "too big".
> sheer number of talents debuted too quickly + lack of management involvement leads to infighting such as the Chaika-Ryushen mini fight, Roa-Meiro, Chigu getting anti'd by other Nijifans etc.
They are currently on the road to repeating this same mistake with the EN branch. But it's far worse because the "EN community" vibe is set up for UNITY above all else. A lot of NijiENfags are not used to people in the same company not being friends, or even sometimes not acknowledging each other.
EN fanbase will splinter into a thousand cliques just like the JP one...

>>22252517
lmao keep wishing, Gura is his oshi girl literally made him try animation again

>>22252890
It's called overlapping with Pekora playing the same game for hours.
Ep 10 she was overlapping with Flare playing ER.

>>22252667
His April average is 4.3k / day. Already down by at least. Aren't chinks supposed to be good at math, why are you so bad?

>>22252918
??? I'm 2021 but I'm no schizo

>>22252890
Mori’s playthrough is honestly bad. She’s roleplaying as Adam Sandler the entire time.

>>22252809
Then...they will get a shitload of flak for trying to grab money from literal corpses? That's what happened with Lulu and Anykara reselling her voicepacks.

>>22252703
Well while everyone play ER when it still hot, she chose to play Sekiro instead and started ER way later when other Holos already made good progress on it
The number is just as I expected, maybe even better

>>22252909
>coco's merch
Why not? I'm sure they got her permission
>rushia merch
That's just a house clearing. It's too late to recall any rushia merch but Cover would never sell Rushia merch ever again except maybe in Gen 3 context.

>>22252930
also he did post some animation frames last summer that were work related so he probably has irl work in animation that keeps him busy as well

>>22252183
At first I was like, well that's not that bad but that timescale. That was less than a month. Brutal. Explains why top Twitch streamers put in the hours they do

>>22252701
here anon, maybe math isn't your strong suit. I explained it here so you don't have to be confused anymore. Let me know if you see any mistakes

>>22252808
nah, she really hasn't changed Hololive or the industry that much. Maybe helped fans understand more, but that's it.

>>22252890
One thing Elden Ring fans hate is people doing good or winning easily. Stupidly flail at the same boss for 5 hours and your numbers will skyrocket. Cheese him with the extra tools the game gives you as a crutch and people won't be very impressed. Also you get literally jack shit for your Elden Ring numbers, so in the end it doesn't even matter.

Is sora really any relevant outside of being the first? People put her up on top but her reputation is more informed rather than realized

>>22252960
Yeah but you're a newfag so your opinion is irrelevant.

>>22252830
They're not really. Most /jp/ anons are yonkisei fags.

>>22252189
Nipplegate actually torpedoed a vtubers career? I legitimately thought it was all shitposts he still hasn't come back? That's hilarious/tragic

>>22252976
Nah, they’re trying to wipe any mention of Rushia that they can at this point. Coco at least still gets honorable mentions.

>>22252992
> he thinks sub growth is linear
What is this mindset?

>>22253007
She hosts a lot of Vtuber events IRL and the poster girl of hololive to this day.

You think they could convince Kson to show up as Coco for an anniversary or something? They kept wink wink nudge nudging about it during her farewell period.
Kson makes money, Cover makes money, fans get to member. I don't see any downsides other than Cover wanting to hoard the Coco character like a dragon, never using it.

>>22253005
There's a limit for how bad you can be though, just look at Gura's underperformance in her Elden Ring CCV. If you're so bad that you constantly die against random enemies at the start of the game.

>>22253023
/hlg/ is mostly lockdown era anons, the ones left in /vyt/ are the gigaschizo Aifags who think Mito destroyed vtubing

>>22253046
Vox sub growth has increased since his first month of streaming
Kiara's has severely dropped
if anything it's going to happen sooner anon

>>22253046
Niji retardation.

>>22252976
>her permission?
uh, no? Cover doesnt need her permission unless they sell her voice pack. It's legal for Cover to sell her acrylic or anything with her character on it. But fans will see it as immoral and will be outraged since the soul of Coco isnt there anymore, kinda like selling merchandise of dead celeb

>>22253007
I hope Sora shapes up and enters her renaissance or reinvents herself or something. It's clear she's lost her role/identity in both Cover and in the larger vtubing scene.

>>22252992
I don't know what all this is but it's wrong and assuming Vox will keep the exact same sub gain for months is kind of dumb.

>>22253072
Considering Coco's graduation was like a goddamn funeral, I don't think either party is thinking of bringing her back any time soon.
It's just awkward.

>>22252992
Sub growth is inconsistent. Gura got to 1 million on her first month, using your formula, she's supposed to be a 20m subs vtuber now.

>>22252996
Again, that's why I didn't say she has the biggest influence, that obviously goes to Gura and Mori.

>>22252808
>She's literally bridging between EN and JP fandom
Wut? If you mean HoloTalk, at very much she’s exposing the JP talent to some EOP audience that wouldn’t get exposed to that otherwise and only on the most superficial level mostly focusing on the person behind the character instead of in the character itself.

Don’t get me wrong, that is a very interesting show to complement what the audience already knows about the streamer, like Haachama talking about how going one year without monetization made her not to care about it anymore, or Flare talking about having to change her base outfit, but it is far from “bridging EN and JP fandom”

>>22253110
Show prove of Vox monthly sub growth then.

>>22253103
I haven’t been to /vyt/ in a while, last I checked they were circle jerking each other that Hololive was gonna collapse any day now.

>>22252992

>>22252920
>A lot of NijiENfags are not used to people in the same company not being friends, or even sometimes not acknowledging each other.
Reeally? Sure like priding themselves on chemistry, but are they really that oblivious to the rest of the company?

>>22253132
This doesn't include first month obviously for that reason, and unlike holos, Vox actually has a consistent gain in subs and doesnt fizzle out to <1500 subs a day like hololivers after 2 weeks

>>22252808
How? She's not doing anything of the sort, nor is she really needed in an era where pretty much every big holo has dozens of translations of what they do say or think.

>>22252830
>They keep the oldest of grudges

>>22252510
Kek. This is obviously a larp but it's a funny one

>>22252960
I'm not going to call you a newfag but I'm genuinely curious, were you aware of vtubers in 2020 but didn't watch them until later or did you find out about them in 2021?

>>22253007
Not really. If Sora bowed out it wouldn't really make any difference. Her relevance and influence is a thing of the past. I hope she at least got a decent amount of Cover stock for her troubles.

>>22253152
Every time a niji wave is debuting. This pic got posted to teach the new nijiniggers how the world works.

>>22253120
Anon, Cover is not that dumb. They're still expecting her to make a cameo sometimes in the future and they said as much.
It would be dumb beyond belief for Cover to "betray" that good will. Also, I said permission but I doubt Cover needs to ask every single time, more like she gave them a blanket "permission".

>>22253072
It would depend on Kson, I think all the talents and Yagoo would be for it. Maybe holofes as MC, or free portion of the concert? Best not to lock it behind a paywall. I think both would stand to benefit.

>>22253134
she has the same amount of influence as Ame. A small amount but not that much at all.

>>22252909
Coco is presumably fine with it since she agreed to keep her channel alive (Cover getting most of the adrev profits from further views).
Lulu is frankly weirder though... she left because she actually wanted to stream and management wasn't letting her... and she wanted her entire channel deleted (presumably because she didn't want them to profit off of her image).
But now, 10 months after graduation, they're selling her merch again...
Consider how incompetent Anycolor management is, I do wonder if they actually got permission from Lulu before sanctioning this or not...

>>22253157
NijiEN fags don’t watch JP even if they like to pretend that they’re Kenmochi or Mito fans.

>>22252703
>I’ll be honest with you, this is probably one of Pekora’s worst performances relative to her ccv
Eh, gonna have to hard disagree on this one. I'd say it's as expected given how long she waited to start playing it. It's definitely not as bad as you're making it out to be.

>>22253072
We don't know just how soured the relationship between Coco and Cover became at the end. Either she was driven out, or she wanted out. Neither is an amicable departure. Any kind of reunion is off the table, Kson hasn't even collabed with holos.

>>22253137
Even before Holotalk she collabed with plenty Holo JP.

>>22253120
>will be outraged since the soul of Coco isnt there anymore
wasn't a problem for Niji, kek

>>22253235
>collabing with JP bridges the two together
how is she bridging them together when a mere fraction of the EN audience watches Kiara? They don't fucking care about her collabs

>>22253214
She has more than Ame's, get fucking real anon.

>>22253169
Vox's first month was when the NijiEN box was still small as fuck.
His insane subgrowth only started in the past 2 months because Luxiem struck gold with zhangs.
All of Luxiem is getting better numbers now than their first month so it's flawed to think whatever debut buff they got is comparable to the "zhang blowup" buff they're having right now.
Like all buffs, it'll eventually end and he'll stabilize.

>>22253072
I think Cover and Coco are both apprehensive about it. If either party were all-in on the idea I'm sure they could convince the other party, but mutual uncertainty is gonna keep it from happening for the foreseeable future. Might be more possible after at least a 1-year anniversary since her graduation.

>>22252960
well damn...
what brought you in?

>>22253127
>funeral
Did we watch the same graduation stream?

>>22253229
>Kson hasn't even collabed with holos.

he doesn't know

The departure was amicable, and anyone who has asserted otherwise has faced takedowns from her and threats of legal action.

>>22253169
Maybe you'll be right and his sub growth never reclines. But do you really think that's a realistic prediction?

>>22253127
>It's just awkward.
for you

>>22253169
So why do you think he won't fizzle out in 8 months? He's struggling to even get 10k CCV on his strongest month.

>>22253308
Holos as in those people under their hololive personas, anon. It is a meaningful distinction.

>>22253229
>literally threatening a faggot spreading rrat that Cover and kson is on bad term.
>Literally collabed with multiple holomen as Kson.
Anon-chama...

>>22252992
> assuming Vox's sub rate won't change for 6 months, much less 3
> assuming the same for Kiara when she hasn't even debuted her 3D yet
your calculations are correct but by god you're shit at math

>>22253137
I was excited when she announce the idea of holotalk, i remember she was streaming mc and i was like lets gooo since its such interesting concept and you can go miles with it, but holy fuck every question is so generic even clipfag already know about it

>>22253235
Anon, collabing does nothing to "bridge fandoms".

Coco did bridge fandoms explicitly by explaining western (reddit) memes to JP audience using her guest of the week
>before Reddit as usual ran the whole thing to the ground by tailoring forced memes TO the guest instead of just doing what they would do if Coco was not watching, depriving her from usable material

She also bridged the JP chuubas to the EN fandom by featuring them in unusual situations in her Asacoco (like Luna's "English class" or Watame Asacoco commercials) in contexts that could easily be understood by kaigai-niki without turning off JP nikis.

>>22253072
I could see coco returning after 2-3 years, but right now it still too early people would spread rrats that her graduation was just a strategy to get pity money

>>22253267
you get real, you're overstating collabs.

>>22253359
Shame we have never got Polka version of Holotalk, oh well.

>>22252189
>Separate your non-work pc from your pc that you use for work
That should be mandatory

>>22253229
>Kson hasn't even collabed with holos.
kek, of course she didn't.

She had some suspiciously similar voiced girls in an offcollab with her tho, after playing some rounds of APEX (or was it Valo?)

>>22252992
> barely 3 months into debut
> extrapolating same sub growth
every time

>>22253339
What's the difference? If kson were having a bad impression for Cover after their supposed split don't you think kson wouldn't bother reaching out to Holomen RM?
Also did you forget that HoloX takopa in fucking kanacoco house?
Also that Chammers-kson interaction.

>>22253375
What was Kson’s big project anyways? I recall she kept talking about that soon after she graduated.

>>22253142
>>22253152
>>22253201
https://web.archive.org/web/20220301000000*/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCckdfYDGrjojJM28n5SHYrA

Sorry it took a while, I'm only one man, anyways:
Vox has kept a consistent subcount, even increasing 500 per day (thats 1.5 kiaras more than last month), so it's probably fine to say it won't change too much at least in the next 3-4 months. He will probably hit the algorithm and increase even harder by then

>>22253180
kek. I fucking love /jp/ man. It's literally the comfiest hololive thread.

When I went into Zeta's stream at the start she said it would be less than 2 hour stream. Why the shit is she still going.

Kson doing well for herself tho
numbers kusa

>>22253446
ARK movie.

>>22253339
No it isn't, its clear she still has ties with the talents, she fucking referenced KFP the other day and visited a place that was essentially a homage to Myth, and its clear she has no ill will towards Tanigo.

Management is an open question, but with how much Cover has expanded we don't even know if those people are in the same position, or whether they have any power over this process these days. Most importantly, again she herself denies all of what you say via takedown notices and legal threats by those who try to make such narratives gain traction on Youtube.

>>22253192
I know about Kizuna AI and VTubing like in 2019. But at that time I thought VTubers are weird and thought maybe that just a man with a voice changer or something. But in 2021 i saw some memes about Gura's A, then I found out she's from a company called Hololive. So I search for Hololive on Youtube and got the "Elite English with Coco" and "Haiku contest" recommendation. That's when I became a holofag

>>22253072
I didn't watch it but apparently one of the graduated .LIVEs made a cameo for their concert so who knows

>>22253470
She is, even on Youtube. It is too soon to declare any Twitch success tho, based on a single stream

>>22253375
yea, this year would probably be too soon, but 2023 is a possibility.

>>22253202
Mate, how dense are you, let me repeat it once again. Kiryu Coco is Cover's IP. Legally Cover doesnt need her roommate permission to do anything, except maybe anything related with her voice. Cover is free to reinstate/redebut Coco with new VA and the old VA cant do anything about it, but the fans will be outraged

>>22253450
What the fuck is that period. Vox never reached 5k subs / day in any month?

>>22253470
Good incline. She seems to be speaking English a lot more on Twitch than she ever did on Youtube.

>>22253373
She did more than Coco, at least I think so.
granted Coco is basically a pioneer and she had her own set of problems to worry about at that time.

>>22253481
Kiara recently mentioned she might visit “Coco” when she goes to Japan again (I think it was a day before Kson kept refrencing KFP).

>>22253450
>it's probably fine to say it won't change too much at least in the next 3-4 months
This is such a bold thing to say when Luxiem hasn't even been around for much longer than 4 months.

>>22253524
Point out where did I talked about legalese anon.
This is more like verbal agreement in order to keep the good vibe between Cover and kson.

>>22253547
>She did more than Coco, at least I think so.
Stop eating the KFP chicken, it's impairing your brain

>>22253541
Not many Japanese use twitch, if she's really gonna commit to the switch she'll need to use EN to make it work.

>>22253533
Left out most of January/December, but yeah he usually hovers 5k a day with a couple 4k days

>>22253541
probably because japs don't use twitch. it's an english audience that she has to cater to.

>>22253123
she's preparing for the inevitable Minecraft revival with her rail network.
Being serious though, other than all her music stuff and IRL stuff, she has a solid floor of about 3k Soratomos who will show up for pretty much anything, so I think she's in a comfortable enough place.
Once IRL lives start happening she will probably see an incline.

>>22253607
5 years from now Japan is still gonna be in lockdown

>>22253450
what's with that period lmao why are they overlapped.

>>22253550
kson mentioned she got a hankering for another takopa and I hope Haachama is invited

>>22253642
Anon....

>>22252189
Is the nipple thing really that huge? I thought he would be back weeks ago. Do Japs really care that much about piracy? Didn’t one of the JAV actresses just laugh it off? Or does it have to do with the fetish itself?

>>22253652
best I could do with Wayback Machine, still applies/neglible change

I understand the reasoning but seeing Dudul's shorts get split views between Twitter and Youtube still pains me. Seems to be doing well though

What was Vox's Spore peak? Did he beat Fauna?

>>22253607
I hope so. Seeing her in Holofes reminded me of how good she can be on stage, that double performance with Roboco was fire.

>>22253375
Why would they do that? This is not professional sports where a top player can't be easily replaced. There are thousands of talented streamers for cover to choose from

>>22253547
>She did more than Coco
I don't normally like to pick on KFP, you get enough abuse. But honestly anon, this is a pretty delusional take. Are you a post-EN newfag?

>>22253642
They're opening in June, but not for tourists.

>>22253680
>almost sacked the Niji J-league project
You tell me.

>>22253680
its because he's part of a company, and Anykara's lack of taking responsibility that it matters so much to others.

>>22253450
Isn't does 3 months start the celebration-special event rountine pandering to fujos like crazy??
It work yeah, for 3-4 months, but that thing doesn't work for large period time. Eventually the wall will big to him for climb. Pandering to much is always a bad thing, always.

>>22253691
Fauna's peak was 22k

>>22253680
It's 99% the piracy, Japs are autistic about it. The fetish is just something dumb to make fun of him with.

>>22253733
>Isn't does 3 months start the celebration-special event rountine pandering to fujos like crazy??
I literally can't comprehend this esl

>>22253699
I followed Ai since 2019, but not religiously. Then VOMS started getting big and here I am now.

>>22253691
No idea. but didn't even reach 10k kek. The literally needs to whore himself out to get attention.

>>22253680
Piracy in Japan is like selling crack to middle class white children in the US. And having your super specific niche fetish exposed like that is a life over moment.

>>22253691
There was no way he was going to beat debut buffed Fauna with a game stream anyways.
What type of numbers do you think he normally gets?

>>22253759
Imagine him trying tom play no monetization games.

>>22253450
>it's probably fine to say it won't change too much
>He will probably hit the algorithm and increase even harder
You are so dumb it actually hurts my brain

>>22253691
8,264, didn't even beat Kiara's shitpost stream.

>>22253807
He put Kindred in the title though, that's at least a 30% buff.

>>22253698
and they can get new talents + the huge return of coco, your complain makes no sense is not like they would lose anything by bringing her back even if it's just wishful thinking

>>22253733
last months was literally celebration streams and whoring streams. I wonder what else can he do to get numbers? maybe be entertaining once in a while kek.

>>22253072
I think back when she had initially planned her graduation, she was expecting it to be a fun graduation(high school) party type thing.
Once it happened and the comments about the event started pouring in though, I think both Cover and herself realized that for a lot of fans, this was a "closing chapter" of hololive's nonstop story.
Yagoo once mentioned why he doesn't collab with talents as often. Once you start with one person, you will find it hard to refuse offers from others (which is why he's only doing appearances for special events).
It's probably the same for Coco. Once she appears as a guest in one place, rrats will start being sprung about every time that she doesn't further appear, and it's basically a major annoyance.
And considering that Coco is pretty much a figure of Myth and Legend in Hololive, any event she appears in will inevitably have its thunder stolen by Coco.
And I think she doesn't want to steal the spotlight from the others.
Like other anons said, maybe in another couple of years when the wound isn't as fresh, it might be a nice novelty.

>>22253840
>that's at least a 30% buff.
and then proceeded to make them ugly monsters and kept dropping views the longer he went on because he's not good at being entertaining

This is the first solo Ina stream in like a week, right? Should be some buffed numbers I'd think then?

>>22253831
"WHERE'S OUR 40K VOX ELDEN RING STREAM". Oh wait, no monetization . lmao!!! Special Game my ass

>>22253909
Nah, Ina often does this.

>>22253844
Is Luxiem fault to pandering to much the word celebration and special event every time and infected the girls with that.

>>22253691
8,8k
>Did he beat Fauna?
He beat part 3 of her Spore series.

>>22253909
Doubt it'll make much of a difference.
EU timeslot has always been weak and potion mixing isn't a huge buff game.
HoloEN in general doesn't seem to get much of a return buff after breaks.

>>22253837
It literally shows in the image that he's inclining harder than last month, but that's okay anon i don't expect you to think too hard. This whole topic was brought up due to the calander days till vox passes various holos, but that number uses excel functions and automatically updates with external links. So it's always going to be changing with each vtubers increase/decrease in average. It was right about Sana, Fauna, and Baelz within 1-2 days so I think it works just fine. You could always try and post numbers or something back

>>22253916
Vox refuses to play that game on stream.

>>22253957
Where's his part 3 of the Spore series?

>>22253909
What's that game she's playing? Potion Master or something. If it was Elden Ring I'd be big, even a Zatsu would probably get 10k, but idk about this. I'll still guess 10k.

>>22253888
Seriously, I can't put my mind on what made him popular beside her voice and "sexy british accent".
He's so fucking boring like my god, even Shu is more entertaining.

Zeta still streaming. It's like 2AM rn

>>22253978
Heh. Why?

>>22253842
>+ the huge return of coco
You severely overestimate the value of Coco

>>22253967
Overusing pandering always bring consequences, but that's okay anon i don't expect you to think too hard

>>22253957
Vox inclining, soon to overtake Kiara.

>>22254041
You know why

>>22253180
don't forget the classics

>>22254016
Not happening after this shitshow of a stream

>>22254019
I'd be surprised if she doesn't get 10k. That seems to pretty much be her floor when she's not overlapped.

>>22253967
HOPING that he will struck the algorithm is peak delusion why would anyone bother answering you

>>22254031
Seems IDs are starting later probably because of Ramadan.

>>22254042
>N-Not that big of a deal
I see there's no point in talking with you

>>22254070
Nijiniggers and their niji-meidos.