/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

She’s lazy?

>>22075176
>best singing voice in EN
Do cumsharts really?

>>22075176
The best EN singer is IRyS

There's barely any difference between her speaking voice and singing voice so I don't know why you're complaining

Because she's lazy as fuck.

She's not really a good singer anon

>>22075176
IRys deserves it more. Mori can't sing shit in LIVE

Mori wants to be a musician and goomba wants to goomba in her free time

Lazy

>>22075693
I like her singing, not in the same way I would like IRyS' singing.

>>22075176
Why should she when you guys praise her everytime she lets out fart anyway

>>22075176
Because she's not confident enough on her singing skills.

Next question.

Mori is garbage, Gura isn't as good as chumbuds think, and IRyS has been cursed with terrible lyrics. Most of hololive's music is pretty terrible if you look at other Japanese musicians. It's all just marketing for simps

Lazy shark
Sleepin' in the sun
How you 'spect to get your projects done?
You can't get your projects done, sleepin' in the noon day sun.

Knowing that whatever she releases will be listened to by millions freaks her out, so she's overly perfectionist. I think she even mentioned there's a bunch of songs she's done that she's just not happy with. I also think following up on Reflect is a lot of pressure.

>>22075249
This, anything else is just cope.

>>22075176
She has great voice, yes. But, she is far from the best. She could be tho, IF she actually put efforts in improving her vocal skills and do her reps

There's no good singer in Hololive. If their original songs with random cringe Japanese babble mixed in the lyrics managed to reach the top 10 on this garbage list then I'll consider them good. Until then, they're all shit cover singers.

>>22075750
Sounds about right, Calli seems to have an end goal at least where even after being a Vtuber, she'll have enough contacts and presence with people irl where she can still make it big on her own without Hololive.

Gura is hard to pin-point where she'll be in 6 years from now though.

>>22075989
>hololive's music is pretty terrible if you look at other Japanese musicians
This is objectively true but a lot of the problems stem from bad production. Gura's singing has a lot of appeal and she could be produced. You’d be surprised if someone worked with her to produce a demo that played to her strengths. She’s a folk singer at heart.

>>22075989
Cry more, this is your fault for hyping up a side branch like holoEN.

>>22075821
I mean there's some actual pro singers in the vtuber world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOh3pyMZPPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDmkDbSr5LY&t=1905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXQ-tBTaWg&t=17308

You know if Gura found out people here call us "cumsharts" she'd probably be really upset. You should think about the impact your words have on people besides the random anons you're attacking.

>>22076016
A professional production would force her past that perfectionism to release.

>>22075693
>She's not really a good singer anon
Found the guy who never watches her karaokes

She's doing an EP right now. It's going to be released on her birthday.

>>22075249
>She’s lazy?
Fpbp

>>22076174
>Gura is hard to pin-point where she'll be in 6 years from now though.
She'd have OD'd

>>22076150
>WAP

>>22076329
Whatever you say cumshart.

>>22076329
Trying to hide behind your oshi because someone hurt your feefees is a whole new low. I expected better, even from a cumshart.

>>22075693
>>22076290
Her voice is extremely distinct and it's hard to find a comparable EN singer amongst chuubas, the only one I can think of is Dutch Nina and even then she has a radically different kind of voice.

>>22075176
A serious answer: She has no ambition to do anything outside of covers and her history is just making viral meme songs.

She isn't good at it

>>22076620
Those other two are like, actual pro singers. I don't think Gura compares to them at all. I think she compares better to Elira.

The difference is that Gura has been slacking off, so her recent karaoke's have been really lacking. While Elira has been practicing a lot, so her recent karaoke sounded better than anything she's ever done. Although I still don't think she compares to those other two. I mean for example Chapipi is a classically trained opera singer.

>Thread about Gura and Mori
>Delusional irystokeks come in and shill their hot garbage
Floprys...

>>22076562
Yeah, they better beat dumbass singers like Bieber

>>22076574
>>22076601
It's not as bad here but if it speads to twitter she'll see that her fans are known as "cumsharts" and that would obviously be hurtful. Just think before you type is all I ask.

>>22076858
IRyS is a great singer but her voice is just such a generic anime OP voice that it hurts.

>>22076329
Get fucked cumshart

>>22076825
I don't care if they're classically trained at the Royal Albert, there's a important difference between skill in singing and natural tone, Gura and Nina are innately captivating despite being complete amateurs, that's why there's so much demand for them when you can easily obtain better raw skill elsewhere.

>>22075176
She is a perfectionist, why do you think she never advertises the covers she already done there's always something she never likes, Mori was the only one that made her stop with the BS and create hype for Q

Mori doesn't "get" songs, she makes them. If a Holo wants to have a song she needs to write it and compose it or hire people to do it, she needs to fund and organize the whole thing herself, Cover doesn't do it for them. Gura probably just doesn't feel like doing any of that shit.

>>22075693
She is, though.

>>22076329
sorry for offending you chumpedo

>>22077631
Chumbud, or chumby, is fine thanks.
Lolicon =/= pedo.

>>22075176
Because she knows she'll never be as good as Mori, no matter how hard she tries.

>she's a perfectionist
she sounds like garbage in every single cover or original song she has done so far, I don't really see her perfectionism there. Kiara, Matsuri and Mori all sound better in the covers featuring her

She doesn't need to try since her voice is naturally cute and her original songs reach millions of views in hours anyway.
It's not like if Hololive will force her to release a Sinatra cover album. She needs to find a good music producer to write something that will force her out of her comfort zone, and knowing Gura it won't happen soon.

>>22075176
Lazy sack of shit, what do you expect?

the simple answer is because she doesn't want to
she'd rather play games and sing covers casually than go through the work and effort to make new songs
yes she has the best voice in EN, yes it would be great for us if she made songs, but she doesn't want to and we have to respect her wishes

>>22075176
She can't sing. In Reflect, the instruments were the sole appeal. Even then, it's a shit song.

>>22078544
>she has the best voice in EN
lmao are you serious?

>>22078068
You've got to be trolling or need a deep cleaning to remove the SEA bugs which crawled into your ears.

IRyS' voice is so overrated
yeah she has a nice voice but... Gura has something more "unique"

>>22078726
red Gura was the appeal In Reflect
her voice made me insta-cum
>>22078544
I think is the other way around, she cares to much and that's why she's so insecure about it
she was super scared when sh released her first song

>>22077051
Her voice (not singing, just voice) is utterly shit in my opinion and I can't comprehend how people can pretend it's good, but that's NOT the main reason why her songs don't get views.
The primary reason is that they're all horribly soulless generic anime OP trash which westerners just simply don't like (even in Japan, I'm not sure other styles wouldn't do better). The secondary reason would be that she doesn't advertise shit at all and gets no promotion from the company.

>I have 3M subs, best average CCV and VODs, a decent voice, some musical sense, and a loving community. I'd better hatch gold or all of that is going to be taken away from me.
>plus I'm just nitpicky and was elitist and it's hard to get out of that habit

>>22079344
Red Gura is edgy Middle School/High School fanfic shit.

Why is gura not allowed to make a nice folksy or jazzy song? why does it have to be j-pop?

>>22075176
Maybe she egosearched and realized all the wannabe-music "expert" chumpedos fucking HATE any music she produces and will write 5000 page essays about how anything that isn't acoustic slow-paced lofi indiecore campfire folk ballad is "ruining" her. What's the point of making music if your own fans just shit all over it? Cumsharts literally think REFLECT is terrible.

>>22077028
fuck me i thought that was a good bait

>>22075176
She sounds good sometimes, but only when she tries. Her latest cover of Skyfall was her weakest yet.

>>22079782
I've seen people say she's gotten worse at singing compared to debut days, is this actually true?

>>22079612
What the fuck is that schizo bullshit? Reflect has 14M views without a MV. That's more than Suisei's biggest hits Her fanbase clearly loves it.

>>22079782
You mean the karaoke? New York New York was great (with a few hiccups), Eye of the Tiger was fun, Creep was good but she clearly didn't know the song well (would be nice if she sang more classic Radiohead like Fake Plastic Tree).
>>22079865
It's classic cherry picking. It's always that way with karaoke, sometimes it's better, sometimes worse. It depends of the song, her mood, if she trained or is winging it... Doesn't mean shit. I actually think she's better but only when she actually tries and is not fucking with the song keys ever 10 seconds.

>>22075176
She has the worst voice in EN next to Ina.

>>22075989
>Most of hololive's music is pretty terrible if you look at other Japanese musicians. It's all just marketing for simps
Because Idol music is shit 97% of the time anon.

>>22075176
Mori puts out songs every other week because she's a music focused holo and that's what she prioritizes. Gura wants to do more music, and she will, but she's not interested in becoming a music holo like Mori or Suisei.

>>22075176
No one helped her

>>22076016
>so she's overly perfectionist
>meanwhile she released that completely average Reflect MV

>>22079758
It was way too obvious anon

>>22075176
good, her voice is amazing but her songs are ass with the best one she was in (myth or treat) was the most ok song I have ever heard, I hate listening to people who praise her dogshit songs so the less songs the better

>>22082466
yeah, all the songs she's in don't fit her voice. i think if she does a song that fits her voice properly it'll be pretty good.

>beaten by a bedridden women

>>22081912
She has said she had an MV commissioned for THE RELEASE. A FUCKING YEAR AGO.
She just wasn't pleased with it, by now she's over the song and wants to move on already so she just released the MV she had ready months ago for closure

>>22076825
If actual musical training and trained skills were that important anyone could become a star.
Personality and a pleasant timbre are much, much more important (see most popular singers at the beginning of their career, what carried them wasn't their skill but their voice and style. Of course when singing is your job you get better and better over time so most of them are pretty good singers a few years into their career)
In that regard Gura is incredibly gifted.

>>22079584

There is nothing stopping Gura, but Gura herself.

Mori is a perfect example of how Drive, Ambition, and Desire to do something will produce vastly better results for a person than raw talent alone. Does Mori have talent? Sure. Is it the best in Holo En? I don't think so.

However, what she has is amazing amount of focus and drive to turn what gifts she has into the outcome that she wants. If you listen to what the other members of Hololive say about her, it's less "Oh she's so talented" but instead they talk about how hard she works, her grind, and how determined she is.

>>22075176
Lazy + Perfectionist = a deadly combination for not doing anything.

>>22075176
what is her content these days anyway?

>>22075249
Ahh sad to be you Poorfag lol.

>>22075176
Maybe if HoloEN actually sang in fucking english people would like it more.

>>22081029
ok kfp

>>22075176
Singing with others listening just produces anxiety. That's also why it's usually a members only stream.

>>22075176
>comparing a girl who has experience in underground rap to a girl just posting youtube videos after working as a maid all day

Gura is the laziest member of Myth and by far.

>>22088165
Mori is like the Kobe Bryant of vtubing insert helicopter joke here Kobe is pretty average when it comes to talent, but absurdly driven.

Gura is something like Vince Carter when it comes to raw talent.

If there's one thing I'll give Gura, it's that she picks some real out there shit in the EN sphere. I'll listen to the ugliest singer sing some classics, and Gura's voice is far from bad.
Kiara, my Oshi, had some nice pucks at the start of her most recent karaoke, but it devolved into 00's pop real quick.
I was more emotionally touched by Gura's Moon Song and Can't Help Falling In Love than anything (other than Halleluyah) ever sung by my Oshi.

>>22088561
Number talk, because of the "muh beloved jp senpais would get mogged by a flithy gaijin"
It already happend with 20M+ views on yt

>>22088196
this guy's also right

>>22075176
Probably because the talents are responsible for paying for and organizing the creation of songs that are
their personal projects and not requested by Cover. Meaning the weirdo Gura would actually have to
contact and interact with people outside her bubble, which probably scares her. So nothing gets made. Also
she's lazy.

>>22088648

I always like how one guy said "If Charles Barkley had the drive of Karl Malone, he would have been in the top 5 of all time debates."

>>22075176
Shes just a talented memelord who blew up. She achievee her dreams of friendship and singing rhythm game songs. Shes reached her peak.

We are in the calm before the storm though, you can expect more than just one original song this time around

>>22076150
To be fair, there's some videos of BTS members being shit singer in one of Korean award performance so it's not like they're anything good either. They're commercially successful tho so that's all that matters.
T. Kpopfag

She's too respectful to infect Hololive with western lingo shit and too nice to mock her beloved jp senpais in their own field (number talk)

She has no ambition.
If you think it's lazy you can always watch the hardworking ambitious members.
More people tired of her lack of ambition the more comfier the fanbase become and I'm not against that

EN Music Takes-
Mori- Puts the most time and money into her music and has gotten the furthest with it. While not very talented, she fills a niche and took advantage of the momentum she got from debut.
Kiara- More talented than many would give her credit for, but chicken voice turns a lot of people away. Easily the best performer in EN (as in song, dance, and stage presence) and has a lot of passion for being an idol.
Ina- Pretty talented too, though she doesn't have a lot of range. If she releases more music, I don't expect it to diverge too far from how Violet sounded.
Gura- One of the top singers in EN (either her or Irys is the best), but seemingly doesn't want to do that as badly as we'd all like. She would benefit greatly from releasing a full album or EP. Lots of potential here, she just needs to do more with it.
Irys- The opposite of Gura: while extremely talented, nearly all of her music is generic and boring. Rapid-firing garbage has caused many people to lose interest in the vsinger's music, which is a fucking shame.
Kronii- She fucked herself over with the way she released her song. But she sounds decent. I'd like to see more from her, especially since her voice is so unique compared to many other Hololive members.
Mumei- I'm surprised with how well her song has been doing so far, but the theme of the song does a good job at setting it apart from other Holo songs. She's talented at singing, but not quite professional level. Unpolished, with great potential.
Bae- Has my favorite song from EN and has incredible range. The cover she put out before her original almost feels like it was sung by an entirely different artist. Could potentially be Gura/Irys level.

>>22090687
You can't blame Irys. She has special contract (Vsinger) and probably she doesn't need to spend any money to produce song. But Cover has more control and their bad taste reflects on the songs
Irys has better singing skill than Gura but Gura has better karaoke experience. (Voice is personal taste)

>>22091133
Oh yeah absolutely, I don't know why I didn't mention Cover being to blame. They're 100% the reason behind her lack of success. If Irys was self-dependent like Mori is, she would likely be in a much better place music-wise.

>>22079494
and?

>>22090687
Ame ame ame…

>>22091228
I think it's best option Irys had. She doesn't seem to have connection like Mori does.
So getting that contract is her best bet to even create original songs (Not just 1 song per year like Ina and Gura)
Problem is Cover doesn't have enough culture research and that reflected on official production. (Umisea animation for example)
Maybe Cover expect western weeb to just accept Japanese music

>>22075176
She sings just like eminem

>>22091523
ame, sana and fauna are in the same category of bad

>>22075989
Gura isn't the best in an absolute sense. But compared to HoloEN, she's pretty up their depending on what you are looking for in a singer. In my opinion, she's the best because she's very good with dynamic control and phrasing when she sings so it that it feels more emotional or tells a story. In short, her singing feels more natural and from the heart. She excels when she's in her range and she's not afraid to do ad libs and improvise while singing which makes the listening experience more engaging.

From what I've heard of Irys singing, she sings just to sing. Maybe she is too focused on technical stuff or there's other issues. But, I don't really feel a lot of emotion conveyed in Irys's singing. She's not comfortable singing to the point where she'll do ad libs or harmonies for fun and the like. Also, I'm not a fan of her vibrato. It immediately ruins the song for me when I hear it.

>>22075176
She wish she was an indie so her audience were adults and not literal baby sharks, so she could swear and tell dirty jokes without any filter. Also sing and stream whatever the fuck she won't because fuck corpo. 4mill curse will never leave her nor give her happiness.

>>22091989
*want
Words hard man.

>>22091989
Was she happy when she was indie?

>>22091569
https://youtu.be/tD5oQQ-CQ4E

>>22092248
Hard question. I think she really never was happy at all and still can't find it she was more direct with her words tho that's for sure

>>22075176
At first she thought that things will sort themself out and her 3D isn't too far off, but then you know the ending. If Gura is in Japan she would get access to recording studios and can release music stuff easier, i knew this because she suddenly talked about wanting to buy an expensive studio grade mic. Once she's there nothing will stop the shark anymore, but for now we have to deal with her perfectionism.

>>22075176
I believe in my oshi, she will become like Miku.

gura doesnt want to step on moris toes because if she was to release music at a similar rate shed demolish her

>>22094850
if Gura released music at even 10% of Mori's rate, she would. Unfortunately that's all fantasy, this shark can't even manage 1%

>>22094916
shes anxious of her success, I think it has to do with depression instead of laziness. if gura were to go 100% her growth would skyrocket and shed be even more isolated. heavy is the head that wears the crown

>>22094916
She can manage 300%, every Gura karaoke = 2-4 better than the original covers

>>22095004
>>22095163
chumbies I understand you like Gura but you have to accept that she doesn't like working.

>>22095235
I don't think you know a lot of things about Gura, despite making threads about her every other day.

>>22095270
I've never made a thread about Gura

>>22075176

gura, mumei, bae.. a lot of them have nice voices. too bad they're all kneecapped by singing awkward japanglish garbage that was clearly written by a non-english speaker and/or calli.

>>22091989
Should've joined nijien ha

>>22075176
Welsh man was right. Look at Gura numbers and now look at her non existent hard work.

>>22075176
She can sing
But that is cap to say she is the best singer when she contantly fucks up.
I would argue Irys is a better singer than Gura.
This is coming from a membershrimp

>>22096797
>Welsh man was right. Look at moris numbers and now look at her non existent hard work.

>>22096713
Should've just join Vshojo but uh oh it wasn't a thing before HoloEN.

>>22075249
/thread
Mori doesn't "get" a new song. She /makes/ one.
That's why Bae got an orisong not even 6 months after debut. Your music is not given to you. It's worked for.

>>22075176
Mori makes her own songs with her connections. If Gura wants songs, she can create them herself.

>>22096945
"buy" is more accurate since it comes out of her own pocket

>>22096981
>mori makes her own songs

>>22097005
Yes that's how music works. She collaborates with other artists/producers. Whereas IRyS just gets handed the songs to sing and has no input in them whatsoever. She even mentioned she got the final version of a song a day before she had to record it.

>>22097079
if I'm an extra in a movie I'm not the director, your acting as if mori dosnt do shit last minute, do you even watch streams?

>>22075176
If she pushed management to help her make covers or originals, they would be more than happy to do everything for her.

>>22096879
Now we know where he got that impression from

>>22094850

Only wierdos see hololive member success as a Zero sum game. If Gura were to release awesome music it wouldn't hurt Mori, and would in fact lead to an increase in her viewers just from a halo effect.

That's why smart members of hololive are happy when each other succeed because they know it helps themselves as well in the long run.

While simply functional human members are happy because you have to be a shitty person to be pissed at somebody else succeeding who isn't harming you or others.

>>22092248
bro, the grooming was so bad.

>>22100355
It's 4chan here anon...

Hololive is where lazy low-effort chuubas go to get rich from nothing but brand recognition and you brainrotten sheep eat that shit up

>>22101796
Cope.

>>22097268

People also need to remember that not everybody wants to be a rock star. It's entirely possible that Gura knows that she could make more money by releasing more music, but she doesn't *want* to.

I have a friend who works with me in the IT department. He's a far more talented programmer than I am, but he's completely happy at where he's at doing what he's doing. At the end of the day, the only person you have to justify to being happy where you are at in your career is yourself.

>>22075176
Because she's post-depression broken wreck that just want to chill and be comfy while Mori is a professional musician and was hired literally only because of that.
Gura is successful anyway thanks to her personality so Cover is not demanding anything from her. Mori's room mate has her own mini-studio right in the same fucking room she's streaming and has connections letting her to secure top producers for little to no price.

>>22103037
This. Only thing Gura has to do is to stay out of trouble and stay cute and funny. And Cover will profit by selling her merchs and through B2B collaboration

>>22091752
thank you for putting into words the sovl vs soulless argument when comparing gura and irys

is she going to release the haiiro to ao cover?

>>22075176
The whole "city pop shark" thing seems like a distant memory at this point. I feel like if she came out with an original city pop song it'd be a hit. Just use that Cover money and get a good producer.