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CURRENT PROMPTS

>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about the food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What are the common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much do the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?

>>21768577
Calendar Year topic. Would be useful to organize timelines and histories and such. Starting off from the /jp/vt/ split or from a Kizuna AI-related event or other OGs have been suggested.

>>21768650
>Religion
I'm of the belief that HFZ's Watamage is a trickster goddess, you're either gonna get blessed or cursed depending on what mood she's in.

Even making objects of worship is a dangerous gamble considering the guy who tried to print 3D watamage got arrested

>>21770068
>spoiler
Are you fucking kidding me

>>21770123
No. He really did get arrested and the 3D watamage never got finished.

>>21770149
The FUCK
I know about the demonic spaghetti code of when /hfz/ ported watamage and more to PES, but that information is just chilling.

>>21770188
PES just seems to hate /hfz/

>>21770261
Demon coding, the holy light of divegrass rebukes it

>>21769297
Sounds nice. Would we also need to determine how many years have passed since then?

>>21772037
That would be the big thing yeah, this way we can put a number on things. I imagine this would be a bit of a point of contention.
My favorite proposal was as follows:
The planet's and system's formation is the birth of 4chan.
The "start of dark and foggy history" is the first vtuber-related thread on /jp/.
Year 0 is the Separation of Planes or whatever you wanna call it, the split between /jp/ and /vt/
Then, events from the /jp/ era would be noted:
"The Christmas Miracle; 3004 BVT (Before /vt/)"
And events from the /vt/ era would be:
"Debut of Koopa; 2382 AVT (After /vt/)"
All names up for discussion, but a system somewhat like this.

>>21772275
Yeah, I can see it is difficult to agree upon the current year. I think it might be better if we first decide on when year 0 is, before deciding what the current year is, if only to make calculation easier.

>>21772322
Yeah, I'd start there too, and then the number of years can be a subsequent vote.

http://poal.me/7whyl0
Non-committal poal to gauge opinion and gather ideas re: Year 0.

>>21773533
If the OG chuubas are antediluvian then /jp/ is like the Old Testament Hebrew society. /vt/ would be the splitting point into a new age

Proposal: the common era / AD is just "VT" and the before-common era / BC is "JP"
>HoloEN1 debuted 1 JP
>HoloID3 debuted 2 VT
etc. But time is not to realistic scale so ...

>>21773691
Maybe JPE (/jp/ Era) and VTE? Just JP bothers me a bit because it could be ambiguous whether you're referring to the era or to JP vtubers.

>>21773732
Oh good point. I like JPE and VTE

>>21773691
Given that societies here seems to be mostly well-established ICly, so I would say now is probably at least a few centuries, if not millennia after /vt/ becomes a thing.

>>21773732
Sounds good, although admittedly it feels a bit weird to count JPE in reverse, but I guess that's inevitable unless we're to decide the year 0 of JPE as well.

>>21773774
>it feels a bit weird to count JPE in reverse
I mean... IRL Earth has managed so far kek. But yeah if we can think of a Year 0 for JPE we could count forwards from that, and then it's more like LotR Ages.

Personally, i am less in favour of setting up a universal BCE/CE system, and more in favour of setting up a date for BP(before present) which would then be used for different scientific disciplines.

Let each thread set up their own in-lore year 1, and let the scientific community have their own dating system with BP.

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>>21773840
You're late, Waranon

pyon & meat
UNITY

>>21773825
But the "present" will shift as time advances, making all the written lore with dates continually incorrect.
There's an understanding that all the nations can use their own calendar (as is observed on Earth), this system would be more used for archivists and the scientific community as you say. Basically, meta-wise it's an organizational tool for us to organize events.

>>21773875
"Before Present (BP) years, or "years before present", is a time scale used mainly in archaeology, geology and other scientific disciplines to specify when events occurred relative to the origin of practical radiocarbon dating in the 1950s. Because the "present" time changes, standard practice is to use 1 January 1950 as the commencement date (epoch) of the age scale."

Copied from wikipedia.

>>21773927 (me)
and since all the events we want documented are in the past anyway, this, in my opinion, would be a better way to go about it while leaving each thread to define it's own calendar year

>>21773857
More like prion

>>21773993
prion?

>>21773927
>>21773975
Well, as I said the threads can definitely all define their own calendar, as with the chinese, aztec, japanese calendar and such.
But yeah, now that I know what it is, we could use something like BP. Kinda misleading name, since it puts the "present" in the past kek.
It would do the job as well as a calendar based on a particular event, but it seems more sterile and less fun to me. That is just my personal opinion though.

>>21774024
the little nanomachine/proteins in your brain that determine a bunch of what makes you you. also, the kuru disease is caused by a certain type of prion.

>>21774095
thats so cool!

>>21774024
Misfolded proteins that will poke holes in your brain and make it start to look like cartoon swiss cheese.

>>21774080
personally, i think vt and jp should be two entirely separate realms, that way the banishment to another realm would mark the beginnings of most of our calendars, while the older threads can still reminisce about the before times.

>>21774080
>it seems more sterile
Well, that's the whole point of science, isn't it? While normal calendar years have cultural significance, this is just an arbitrary date the community decided on as an end point. Simple and sterile.

>>21774173
Well, as a counterargument, the IRL scientific community seems to use a calendar with some amount of cultural significance in the vast majority of cases, just for the sake of familiarity. BP is mainly used in contexts where the timescales are big enough that the 2000 years between the present and the start of all civilization's calendars is pretty small, I've never come across it while researching history, which is what almost all our lore entries would concern themselves with.

Oh and to the anon that just updated the poll, this dating system doesn't actually have a "after present" or AP, since it is specifically used in carbon dating, so for shit in the past (which is what we would be interested anyway with the /jp/ /vt/ split and other things). It couldn't give a flying fuck that we are currently in 2022 while "present" is set in 1950.

>>21774293
Then we'd need to get another system for those events, or only events before the decided present can get a date.

/meat/ died again, but on the bright side, 17 posters were able to stop by, so i guess it wasn't too bad. not like when they kill our threads before a single reply.

>>21773821
Yeah, but the backward counting ear name usually comes in some form of "before XXX", while JPE doesn't seem to be so (unless we year the year 0 as the creation and exodus of /vt/, in which case the JPE would be called something like BVT).

>>21773825
Fair point, I'll add that to the poll as well.

>>21773875
I think that brings up the bigger question of whether we want a uniform pace of time advancing (so far we know /nasa/ is slowly progressing), or have it go at the speed of plot (at the risk of people disagreeing on the speed), or even just have it be static.

>>21774139
The fun part is that such protein misfolding (basically, your protein has to fold in a certain way to work properly - misfolding is not too uncommon, but usually they're dismantled, but some specific ways of misfolding causes other protein to misfold the same way, which is what causes most prion diseases) is usually accumulative in the central nervous system, hence the most common way of being infected by it is eating the central nervous system of the same species as the eater, namely cannibalism. Of course, it can be avoided by either cooking the flesh in question thoroughly to destroy the misfolded protein, or just not eating the central nervous system. That's why kuru disease is mostly found among women and children in the tribe - their tradition means they are the one eating the dead's brain. that's why if you want to be a cannibal, you should learn from the professionals from /meat/!

I think countries or territories maybe having their own calendars or a shared calendar would be a nice bit of extra fluff in addition to the main calendar.

>>21774511
I think it would make sense to have a Holocalendar, a Nijicalendar and perhaps a Hornicalendar, and then a plethora of indiecalendars.

>>21774267

True, you got me there. The problem we as writers face is that it's kinda hard to wrap our heads around civilizations using different calendar dates, since IRL we have had 2 millenia of a stable, single calendar. We want a year 1, because that's what feels natural, but how do you set it for cultures that may wary drastically? Do you just use an arbitrary event that most cultures wouldn't even care about?

And if we go by what >>21772275 presented, a lot of the events, even the /jp/ split, can be set in ancient history, or as a singular point when the first civilization sprouted up on this planet. And that would get solved by the BP system.

>>21774511
If we're to go for a main calendar, it would probably be used to make calculating time between events easier, rather than something that everyone uses (of course, depending on the nature of said calendar, someone ICly might also use it, especially if said calendar supports their legitimacy, like /hlgg/ using holocalendar).

>>21774536
>or a shared calendar

>>21774459
>I think that brings up the bigger question
Yeah, that's a tough one, I wonder how other collaborative projects handle this. Static seems like it's incompatible with our setup where IRL events translate to in-universe events.

>>21774577
I was agreeing and expanding on your idea anon.

>>21774405
Not really. While this would deal with ancient events, each thread would still have it's own calendar independant of this system, that would count years. for example, /risu/ might be in the year 1732, while /inf/ is in the year 821. Both would, however, recognize that the /jp/ split happened 10000 years BP.

>>21774588
Other collaborative projects (that have a progressing time system) tend to have it be a set rate related to RL time - either 1:1 (which might be a bit too optimistic to assume this thread will last for a long time) or some other ratio, like 1 RL month = 1 IC year or something.
Might be a good idea to put it to vote?

>>21774536
If we have continent/Empire specific calendars then that might get a bit too complicated IMO.
Better to just have the Common and let the splits decide whether or not to invent their own.

>>21774633
>>21774644
I would say that's kind of the point for a common calendar - so that we can easily know how much time has passed between /risu/ year 1337 and /inf/ 721, for example. They would still use their own calendar ICly, but events are listed with the common calendar in archive.

>>21774576
Yeah, that is what I meant. We have this main meta calendar for thread stuff and there can be internal squabbling and debating over in-universe calendars. It can even tie in and help with thread mythologies since their year 0 can be the starting point of it.

>>21774614
Sorry about that, tired and sleep deprived from staying to to watch mori stream.

>>21774724
Same, I'm vibrating with excitement.

>>21774707
It's regarding the expediency of writing. Having to track more than 3(especially when you are writing cross split lore) kinds of dating systems might get too complicated that we would just drop the continental dating systems eventually and just use the common system plus the split specific ones.
Continent specific systems sounds cool and would be realistic plus lore-friendly(kinda like how Europe use Julian calendar derived systems & East Asia use Lunisolar calendars) but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

>>21774941
I think the main calendar would be used for most of our lore/organisation/meta purposes, and all other systems would simply be figured out and used as desired in-character by the threads, no need for full-/vtwbg/ participation for those.

>>21774941
Well, what calendar(s) a country use should be up to them. The vote is meant to just decide a year 0 to measure events when we have to write them down here, something like
>AVT 1302-04-04 (/meat/onic 69-03-04)

/meat/ sniped just as our chuuba starts her stream
_(:'3_/

>>21775835

>>21775835
Oh yea, never asked but who exactly is your chuuba? might check her out

>>21776049
we have multiple. you should check the list we typically post as the first reply to our threads.

>>21776049
The one streaming atm is a ryona/guro mangaka
https://twitter.com/awa7_cat

>>21776049
We have a list of them, but the one currently streaming is AwA-sensei, who is a doujin artist specialised in ryona stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9KNIQAZdy0
In about an hour we also have a collab of four: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zooEtfFTWC4
Among them, Akira is basically the face of /meat/, while Comma is famous for her self-ryona experiments.

>>21776307
>>21776328
Ty ty, will give them a watch

>>21776783
if you want the good stuff, check their booth and/or dlsite, that's where the true /sbg-meat/ stuff lies since it's too spicy for youtube

>>21776888
>Too spicy for Youtube
>Too spicy for /vt/
THEY ARE

>>21776940
Even Akira got kicked off youtube twice
The pain is inherited from master to student
/meat/heads suffer just as their chuubas do

>>21774459
>I think that brings up the bigger question of whether we want a uniform pace of time advancing (so far we know /nasa/ is slowly progressing), or have it go at the speed of plot (at the risk of people disagreeing on the speed), or even just have it be static.
I kinda brought this up last thread with the "Vitubium telecommunication crystal balls" or whatever (that I'll attach as a proposal once we finish discussing calendars). The road construction in /risu/, which would have taken months or years, was completed in, what, a week or two worth of threads? Similarly, /nasa/'s progress has not been slow, in my opinion, as they eg say that they'll search for iron and a thread later they say they have a stable iron supply, say they'll make a sophisticated bakery in another country hundreds of kilometers away and it's done in two threads' time etc.
Point is, we've already been fast-forwarding time a lot, which is why I made the initial instantaneous rep communication proposal to begin with, as, if we were to stack up the time passed since the "game" started (unknown date, probably different from when the threads where first made), the months passed just to communicate with each other, not to mention time passed for construction projects etc, will have stacked up into years now. This will eventually lead to us reaching tech milestones faster than you might expect. I also worry that threads not currently here (ie most of them) or that don't have someone autistic enough to write analytical lore us, Sakuran, --God-- Sora I wish I could write will quickly fall behind the active threads and will have to retroactively write lore for the time period since the game began until present time.
Speaking of, I'm not a fan of the BP time system. Sure, irl carbon dating works as a a starting (well, end) point, but what would you propose we use currently? I don't see an event significant enough for it to be useful, unlike the split from Japonia that literally teleported most of the original inhabitants of Vitia to this planet. I can tell you for a fact Sakuran would not use this, unless most of the Holo continent were to do so as well. Even then, it would likely only be for official documents to communicate with other nations, which a handful of Sakuran officials would do, begrudgingly, while the common people would use a different national dating method, likely counting since the day the split happened, as our threads have kept a numbering system from since the first thread (roughly) was made in this board, while also acknowledging our long history before the split.

>>21773821
For the beginning of JPE, maybe the first Kizuna Ai threads (February 2017 IRL)? Then there'd be BJP associated with that (I'm thinking BVT/VTE would be more common while BJP/JPE would be historical and largely disused).

>>21781007
so time would be separated by 3 main time periods, then. i am not against this.

2 Eras (pre-dimensional split and post)
with 3 periods (Antediluvian OG, Bronze HoloNiji, Classical EN-VSJ-Small Corpos)
With the split between eras in the middle of HoloNiji period

>>21777740
It kinda feels like events are being placed on a moving timeline, like we're writing history instead of going through events sequentially. Like, if the current day is the moment when the risu-inf road is complete, it has been written into history that /inf/ and /risu/ begun their relationship a few years back so the events matched up.
I'm not saying that isn't a good thing to be clear, just an observation.

>>21782484
well, ya. can you imagine an entire nation being built in the time it's been since Kizuna threads were first made? everyone would be using sticks and stones.

One problem Im seeing is chronological styles
Some threads use in-universe time, etc 1 year has passed since our interaction with x thread
Some threads use real time, 1 thread = 1 day, have to wait irl events to pass
We have interactions that are out of sync

>>21783153
why would that matter, though? we can talk about what we did in the future, we can talk about what we will do in the past. there are times when prequels and sequels are made out of chronological order, then we can just say "role play whatever time period you want, and we'll stitch it all up as we go along" and that will be that.

>>21783583
Yeah, the nature of a worldbuilding project is that we're writing the history of the countries as well as their present.

>>21776328
Your interests scare me because I'm vanilla as fuck but you seem cool and chill people /meat/anons.

>>21784190
That's how we get you.
I mean they. How they get you. Haha.

>>21784190
Guro community is very chill. I dunno how to explain it. I love seeing anime girls spilling organs out but I would shoot myself before I ever harm anyone and any animal.

>>21784190
We're nice people and our girls are cute and funny! it's not like you can stream anything remotely NSFL on youtube anyway, so most streams tend to be pretty chill, with the main exceptions being Comma's experiment streams (although you'll need context to know how NSFL it is) and some of AwA-sensei's drawing streams due to her speciality

>>21783583
That's kind of the point of punk history, which involves a lot of stitching together. I reckon the same approach can be taken when it comes to time progress. Naturally it will mean events between countries can't easily be aligned, but that can be something that those countries (try to) work out between themselves.

>>21784684
In a way Mario Party is more brutal than half of their streams combined

>>21774778
Vibrobeat...

>>21787710
That was worth staying up for.

>>21787710
>>21787814
Your oshi is amazing

>>21788071
Thanks anon, I'm sure yours is too!

>>21788190
In a way...

>>21784776
>AwA casually drawing guro dakimakura of herself on livestream
I love this woman!
For those who want context
https://youtu.be/3mmur5HS8sg?t=8930

>>21788557
Ah, she definitely is! >no screw

>>21788842
>spoiler
picrel?

>>21788966
Yes
The screw is her intelligence
The tighter it is, the smarter she gets
Screw loose, she's mentally a toddler

>>21788966
>>21789135
Is /meat/ into not only physical debilitation, but also mental debilitation?

>>21789135
uoh?

>>21789248
sometimes, yes. comma recently had a psychological royna session, if i understood what was going on correctly, but typically speaking, physical royna is easier, so you would expect more of that.

>>21775835
It's back now, with the other title.

How is /meat/ so friendly and likable when they literally watch chuubas do this?

>>21789774
Something something externalizing the darkness all humanity carries within.

>>21789737
>>21785421

>>21789774
How are most of the /meat/ chuuba happily married women when the majority of VTubers in general are total menhera art-hoes?

>>21789774
everytime

>>21789891
it takes a certain level of mental maturity and support to truly indulge in making /meat/ content after all although it's not like /meat/ chuuba never has a mental breakdown

>>21770068
I like to imagine that holofightz believes in heresy's and unorthodox aspects of the holos . Like watamage posting exists outside of holofightsz but its just an aspect of watame posting. In holofightz watamage posting is the dominant watame posting

/who/'s government and politics:

Parliamentary party politics mainly focused on foreign policy/important issues, individuals have differing opinion, though signs of consolidation/clear party line
Major issues in political discussion: two: foreign policy(incl. immigrants) & theology(e.g. should owl be lewded)
Military mostly stay out of politics, but have veto power over major issues(economics & foreign policy)
Other arguments mostly centred on personal/scholarly opinions(e.g. Beans in chilli? & Odin drinks cum)


Mainstream:
Republican: mercantilist, support tech stealing/protection(maintain tech advantage/dominance above all else), theologically leaning conservative, generally xenophobic(scepticism to most outsiders(potential printers), expect close council splits), aggressive foreign policy, status quo/ state-centric welfare

Liberal: laissez-faire, support tech exchange(spreading progress), theologically radical+liberal, xenophilic, progressive foreign policy(build more relations instead of focusing on current allies), welfare range from decreased state involvement to more state involvement

Fringe:
Unionist: worker's rights, connection to liberals
Imperialist: expand republic to spread progress, nameless one would return when republic conquered enough territory + ppl > global utopia of endless progress(ULTRA aggressive foreign policy, welcome xenos but assimilationist), military government, may or may not be related to cannibal cult

Very early notes. There are more stuff I want to write first so this is going back to the backburner. Only posting here for potential feedback so not anchoring.

>>21790544
Thoughts on physiocracy and mercantilism?

>>21789815
That sound like something my oshi would said.
/∞/

>>21763826
Unless you really want /nasa/ steel the trip isn't worth it for iron. You can find local sources of iron in the east Holo continent. Once /nasa/ gets gold then we'll trade nickel for gold. Then /morig/ can trade gold for iron. Its also assumed the longer the trip is to ship goods then the higher the price of goods become due to risk and rations to sailors.

>>21790996
Welcome to the club...

Also a question for /morig/ while thinking about naval stuff: Do deadbeats' less developed and smaller muscles (and heavier skeletons, to a lesser extent) result in any significant difference in terms of their strength and stamina?

>>21790796
Intellectuals coming from a rural background might have ideas similar to physiocracy. But a chunk of the agricultural production is propped up by the state, so it would quite fringe. As for mercantilism it's probably starting to be on the way out. Though I did write it as one of the characteristics of the Republicans. The big driver for more liberal economic policy would be the increase in trade(building of networks), the need to import more materials to support scientific discovery/industry and a more wealthy society compared to the early history of the republic. The republican mercantilist thought mostly came from the siege mentality and a need for autarky during the founding era, not like how irl mercantilism is evolved.

>>21791193
That being said, /∞/ would love /nasa/ to establish a bakery in our capital.

>>21789891
tfw no guro mangaka wife to share fantasies with

>>21791754
To quote from the doc:
>The composition of these softer tissues is responsible for this; alongside a degree of calcification, they have a reduced water content, as low as 40% compared to 76% as found in common mammalian muscle. This does not however impede the function of the musculoskeletal system. This high dehydration reduces the blood supply to the muscle, but this is mitigated by adaptations in the cardiovascular system; polycythaemia is present, due to high red cell and nutrient content in the blood, and cardiomegaly is consistently observed, the larger heart being able to pump more of the thicker blood where it is required.
So basically, deadbeat muscle is denser and drier, resulting in a smaller volume, but the number of muscle fibers is the same and overall power generation works out to about average, though that means deadbeats are more vulnerable to cold temperatures and blood clots due to the thicker, more energy and oxygen-dense blood.

>>21777740
Finding iron and digging up iron are two different things. Using our tools we were able to prospect a good iron supply. However as fate has it the iron is deep underground. First /nasa/ needs wood to build support beams for the mine. So we have to build a water wheel sawmill which will take a few weeks. Then we need to transport lumber to the sawmill and back using oxen (which we still need to buy). Transporting lumber will take almost a week per trip. Then its a matter of digging deep enough which will take about a month or two before we hit iron.

Sure we have an iron supply. However we have yet to mine it. Prospecting is the easy part.

>>21791193
Yeah, once Mountain Enjoyer or another /kfp/ comes we'll look into trying to fill their blind spots in terms of mineral in exchange for some of thast sweet continental iron.

>>21791954
Do you have a local supply of grain and wheat? We're making a bakery in /who/ because its our neighbor. We have a very clear trade road between /who/ and /nasa/. So sending wheat to /who/ is no problem. Plus their grapes have natural yeast for rising bread. The business plan of /who/'s bakery is to market /nasa/'s wheat by sampling bread made out of it. The next viable bakery spot would be as far as /ggg/. Beyond /ggg/ all bakeries would need to grow their own grains.

>>21793314
I will ask my thread latter about those resources and I'll get back to you, probably tomorrow.

Leak of /nasa/'s state anthem
https://youtu.be/MNyG-xu-7SQ

>>21792620
Kfp drawfag here, Doing a resource analysis and a proper map to go along with it has been on my bucket list for a long time. I might actually do it, since my current project, a comprehensive NATO-style Structure chart of the kfp army is frustratingly time consuming. However since I have exams in the following weeks It will probably take a while

>>21793893
Given Sana's sunshine and chill behavior I imagine the Sanalites jamming to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkjnRIdQXQ

>>21793906
No rush, the march of time is, as it turns out, pretty chill and flexible.

>>21793846
/nasa/ wheat should grow just fine in /infinity/. /nasa/'s wheat is bred to thrive in colder environments. Yeast can be easily imported and cultivated. Now there is a question about sugar, but /risu/, /mep/, and /meat/ should have easy sugarcane. Also /infinity/ should have enough clockwork to process peanuts into peanut butter. Though /nasa/ will have to supply the stainless steel parts for production. There's also the question of astronaughts' air filtering if they have to live in /infinity/. Maybe we can improve our allergy resistances over time with some help with vitubium drugs.

>>21793906
Also, a NATO-style structure chart sounds fun as hell, what is that supposed to look like?

>>21794228
Do your special suits require special maintenance or certain resources to keep working? A cool climate should help with allergies I think. /∞/ is a little more advanced than other countries and we are almost at the same position weather wise in the map. We can check what can be done. The Sanalite staying here would need it, but also we can maybe do some trading about that kind of resources.

We can ever write lore this, a Sanalite coming to our country to see if it's feasible such endeavor.

>>21794479
18-19th cen. military units are way less complex but still. NATO style really just means that the symbols used adhere to NATO standardization.

>>21795307
That does look neat anon, but yeah also like a lot of work. Gambare.

>>21794479
>>21795307
/who/ is currently the only example of a military structure.
https://rentry.org/urahp
It's a nice example i'd say

>>21794978
The filters are reuseable but require disassembly to be cleaned. The disassembly needs very small tools with robot precision. Also the suits need to be disassembled and cleaned as well. If we had our way /nasa/ could dispatch an escape pod to /infinity/. Escape pods have all the stuff needed. Problem with escape pods is that they're only made for landing, not flying. The pods are way too heavy to move without specialized cranes and trucks. They'll certainly sink your ships. You need bigger ships with gasoline/diesel motors to move them. That said it is possible for a Sanalite to move away from an escape pod and survive if they have to. They'll just have to bring the appropriate supplies.

Now I do have an idea if we can get the aliens and moon people on board. And that's to make a dome house with proper air-filtration and plumbing. Though a space dome house in /infinity/ will make the rest of the world reeeee. I think /nasa/ may have enough supplies to build a dome boarding house. We can only make few of these. Less than 10 if we're efficient with current supplies. So we have to be careful with deciding exactly where we're going to put these.

>>21792515
Ah, fair enough I can still work with that

Should /nasa/ prepare an offering of rubber duckies to /risu/ as a gift?

>>21801677
we would prefer the sawblade since we really want to make boats

>>21803419
We have your sawblade order in the works. We're making sawblades out of recycled scrap metal but they're stainless steel. As long as you have your payment of dried nuts ready we'll get them to you.

Hello everyone. It is I, the OGsuner with some things and stuff. First off. Holy shit to >>21754901 for this, looks neat. Next is I noticed talk about calenders and I think now would be a good time to mention risu timelines and events. Ill let you all decide what year system we use but for now ill juse the first contact with /inf/ as our year 0 since not only was it a major turning point in /risu/ history but its what also personally brought me to the thread. And then theres trade relations. I'm going to keep a notepad doc of what you all want out of us and what we want. I know mostly what inf wants and a good idea what meat wants out of us but i forget what exactly /nasa/ wants. I know it had something to do with iron or some other metal. Which brings me to my last point. I feel fucking dumb for forgetting to write most of this down but if anyone wants to tell me what /risu/ has in resources again that would be cool. I know we have a fuckload of bog iron which were currently just starting to use but what of the areas outside the sub-tropical rainforest? Ill look after i post this but i believe we had some sort of rock that has a bit of iron on it. I did of course take all the notes on PRETTY GEMS so theres no need for that anymore. Thank you all and have a nice day.

>>21803890
Just to clarify. Don't worry about the gold. /nasa/ has a way of refining nuts into goods that will make us more money. Nut breads, nut sprinkles on ice cream, nut cakes, pressing nuts into oil, nut butters etc. As for the rubber duckies they are a gift for free as an offering of good will. They're made from rubber tree resin in the farms so they're renewable.

>>21804334
fucking pog. oh and a few other things i forgot to mention in other post. I really like the idea of named characters in this world so soon ill be making a few stories (dont know if i said this already so fuck it). On the note of stories I do realize talking to /nasa/ would take months of traveling and that the road would be years of labor. My thought on that is to let it kind of progress naturally if that makes any sense. I really want /risu/ to be able to build pinisi but i waited a few weeks IRL for new shit to be made and new opportunities before saying "ok now we build boats". Maybe we can all make up a timeline of shit that happens throughout the world but that would take a lot of autism. Then again ive seen the sheer autism here so who knows, maybe it can be done. Ill pray to the geo anons for what type of metals would be available to us and this time i fucking promise to keep better notes of what you all say.

>>21798036
>>21804711
I will try to make my case about getting that escape pod onto our island. First, we are a solid nation state, NASA will have no problem for our relationship to be worked throughly. We were isolationist, a task that required a very strong leading force, so we are serious when choosing our friend countries. Your capsule, which would contain very special technology, would be particularly protected in an island that is very particular about defending its territory and have millitar superiority in comparison to close territories, it wouldn't be safer than here. While I can't promise it without consulting, I can propose to make the limited area where this capsule will be a equivalent to a embassy or scientific special territory, meaning that it will be considered NASA land inside /infinity/. That would be big bullet to swallow for nutsos about sovereignty like us but I can pull strings for a fellow Council member, considering you lifehood and our already in course industrial trade (the gears we are only able to do) . Furthermore, our position on the other side of the Holocontinent would give NASA a very diplomatic support worldwide, specially with our diplomats trying to ensure friendly relationship with all the peninsula in the south. Also, if your capsule has communication technology we can receive your messages and our diplomats can communicate them to the East side of the continent to countries you have interest or already relationships with, like Risu. This will fasten any diplomatic and commercial endevour with them. This won't change the pace of trading though (so it doesn't break the world balance), but the planing would be faster than your represents traveling half the world by boat.

>>21804711
/nasa/ building stainless steel saw blades will only take a few weeks. We have enough tools in the workshop to cut down labor. Same with food processing.

>>21805816
If you insist on having a space for an embassy then I suppose we can work things out. That said it'd be faster to move supplies to build a dome than it would be to move the escape pod. Once the dome is built you can build any type of building inside that fits. We can even build a dome around existing buildings. We'll just have to pipe the chimney to blow smoke outside the dome.

>>21807125
>That said it'd be faster to move supplies to build a dome than it would be to move the escape pod.
The dome would've all the same tech and stuff, so it's the same deal I said before, it'll be protected by /∞/ so it doesn't fall in wrong hand (thinking about your lore and the balance of /vtwbg/). It's what is has to be done if we want Sanalites –and bread!– in our homeland.

>>21807606
But what happens if Sanallites have their suit breached or removed in /vt/ atmosphere?
> https://nhentai.net/g/30522/
>https://nhentai.net/g/112856/

>>21808102
Then Sanalites are left to their constitution for how long they'll survive the allergies until the holes get patched.

>>21808409
How long a hole in your suit can be open before you life is at risk? Asking for…particular interests… of a friend.

>>21808583
The "dough" technology in the suit will seal itself as much as it can until you knead it shut like clay. As for how long Sanalites can last really depends on how dusty the environment is. Depending on how much material gets in Sanalites will experience some fever and swelling in their lungs. Without the helmet Sanalites will most likely last 10 minutes at full breath. Then they start choking from the swelling for 5 minutes. Without medicine to alleviate the symptons Sanalites's throat will swell so much they'll suffocate. Newer generations will be able to grow up in these conditions and strengthen their immune system as allergies are similar to Earth. The adults are simply fucked if they want to live without a space suit.

>>21809071
>Without the helmet Sanalites will most likely last 10 minutes at full breath.
I can work with 10 minutes…
I mean, my f-friend, my friend…
What?

>2000 years in the future, the Deadbeat Empire has just finished construction on their newest public works project

>>21809129
/nasa/'s embassy follows the Grand Directive. So any Sanalite caught soliciting sex with natives will be sentenced to hard labor.

>>21809390
No even cuddles Sanalites?

>>21809435
No physical contact without suits is allowed. As the principal has been reminded with his Robosan guest. He has been sentenced to 6 days of 8 hour workdays and a fine of 1000 fuel credits. Its not enough for a felony charge to impeach him. So second in command going to be in charge for a week.

>>21809726
Tsk, such tease.
Well, if anything, we're famous for a literature that is enticing to the mind and body, we can provide you that Sanalites.

>>21809435

>>21810354
derp. forgot to type. was going to say what a shame

https://files.catbox.moe/tmcxex.pdf
more kat noɬ!!!!!!!!!!! fuck you i changed the grammar again

>>21810511
AHHH I NEED TO FUCKING PROOFREAD I'M GOING TO KIL MYSELF
https://files.catbox.moe/cfngk6.pdf
better one!

>>21810393
>>21810354
Headpats are fine if you don't mind gloves.

>>21811837
Of course the fuzzy squirrel get the pats, meanwhile the schizos are left outside under the rain.

>>21804062
Ri2ner here
what if the calendar starts during the first /here/ event, risuners cheer and celebrate that there is proof our goddess is amo- is with us. thus begins a new era

/who/ is still mediterranean right? If there's one thing Spain is known for its their tomatoes. Tomatoes are used in a ton of soups and sauces. If mixed with chili peppers, onions, and lime juice the tomatoes can make salsa.

>>21804334
Isnt this a bit counter intuitive? If the distance is earthlike, it's like having indonesia order something from sweden
Which wouldnt be feasible with renaissance tech

>>21812934
Do you know when that was? Because i sure as hell dont

>>21800348
I look forward to whatever you've got planned. and I'm a bit scared.

>>21813078
Its just one order. Plus we can research the nuts and see if we can grow some of them in the greenhouse.

>>21809301
>Sui-chan, aim at the schizo wasteland, and FIRE

How are court systems looking? /nasa/ has a cour for handling crime and punishment along with civil contract disputes. Though without Starfleet /nasa/ may as well restructure its government.

>>21792620
Yeah I imagine /KFP/ probably has a lot of mineral riches being in the mountains and all. We'd be happy to, although we'd have to first figure out what sort of mineral (or none mineral) resource Morig can give us in return.

>>21814199
Nice, you can browse our resources to see if anything catches your fancy then https://rentry.org/x99g4 . Since /kfp/ is more temperate, our tropical hardwoods or sugarcane might be of interest. Mineral-wise, we have very large amounts of platinum-group metals and gold which would be most useful to you, I think.

>>21793906
Also if you don't mind me giving a little input: would it be possible to represent some old artifacts from the egg and trinitarian crisis? maybe have KFP paramilitary, demoralization, and Usual OPS units represented.

>>21814778
ngl when I saw the small image I though that it was this: https://www.eightieskids.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/7-36-1.jpg

>>21813070
It's more like Seattle and the pacific northwest, not Spain or Italy, I guess we still have tomatoes though.

>>21815100
Kek I'd take a KFP edit for that too.

>>21810577
>nasfaqg
>A Minarchist city built around the idea of the New York stock exchange, with architecture reminiscent of Venice and an environment similar to Puerto Rico.
>Many oldfags finally getting tired of trading
>Mostly kept together by autistic oshicoiners and people there for each other.
>The city of Nasfaqg, at this point, has mostly become a retirement home for old farts to play Bingo and talk about the bets they won from horse racing dozens of years ago.
>Meanwhile, in /vtwbg/:
>hey guys I made a conlang for /nasfaqg/ it's hebrew cuz they trade stuff and that makes them all jews lolololol
Thanks, I hate it.

>>21754901
>Kikinese
Oh so like kikiriki?
>Font literally looks like the Chick-fil-A logo.
Wow, what a nice language for /kfp/. I'm sure they wou-
>Belongs to /pyon/.
HAAAAA!?

>>21815229
Sorry not sorry anon, you guys are definitely the jews of Vitubia, alongside /meat/ (conspiracy jews), /inf/ (ISRAEL jews) and /morig/ (Thanks for the fat aka dude! jews).

I just hope /kfp/ enjoys /nasa/'s cake flour for pastries and biscuits. And if we get enough money then we can build aluminum alloy ships to deliver ice fast. /nasa/ has insulation to protect the ice from melting on the trip. We just need ships.

>>21815229
yeah, we all know it's deadbeats/kronies/nasfaqg/ who are the real jews of the world

>>21815229
Well, to be fair /nasfaqg/ lore has evolved a fair bit. Now we're also reminiscent of Victorian London.

I might eventually write some good fiction for /nasfaqg/, just you wait several weeks...

>>21815214
If I had the chops I'd do it for you kfp. Best thing that came from that movie.

>>21810577
Holy shit anon I kneel. I can fuck with a wide range of autisms, but conlanging is truly incredible. Gambare.

>>21815229
Language anon, a brain teaser: if you had to define the symbol infinite, which should be universal for the whole /vtwbg/ world as it's a mathematical concept, how would you choose to represent it.

>>21816134
i don't know and i don't care

>>21816134
>which should be universal for the whole /vtwbg/ world as it's a mathematical concept
Surprisingly, it hasn't always been universal. We've been spoiled with the (early) globalization and universalization of scientific/mathematic symbols...

>>21816384
Fair, sorry to bother you.
>>21816608
Interesting, will have to do my reps.

>>21816824
alright, i thought you were gonna be pretentious and tell me making /infinity/ a palindromic language was dumb because time doesn't go backwards like palindromes do or some shit in the worst, most vague way possible and i didn't really care, since you're clearly not like that i want to know what you were actually getting at

Looking over the climate post here, anon says that there should be two separate centers of /KFP/ civilization.

I wrote fairly early on about the two pseudo-ethnic classes of KFP society, the Fönixids and the Pölitids, thought the idea was neat and didn't explore it anymore. HOWEVER I think looking at this it may be a wise idea to look further into their relation with each other, and their history with eachother. Notably how they actually differ.

I'll discuss it more when I have more time, but for now I think it could be a neat idea to get the ball rolling and see if any other KFP's want to give their input.

Here's what's already been established:
>Fönixids are a well off minority that largely inhabit the north and highlands (likely from the continental monsoon in the north west)
>Fönixids engage in court culture, notably masquerade balls
>Pölitids are the poorer majority from the lowlands and coastal south (likely from the subtropical monsoon in the south east)
>Pölitids typically wear Dirndl's and lederhosen
>Both Pölitids and Fönixids like fried chicken

>>21817819
Now I realize the phrasing could have being interpreted like that, sorry. It was literally a brain teaser or a though provoker question if that sounds better. Also, palindromes are cool.

>>21818441
lol sorry. in that case, i would choose a circle, which has no clear beginning and no clear end. the lemniscate also works, but so does any curved shape that eventually leads back to itself with no sharp corners, i think if i never knew about the lemniscate, i would choose a circle.

and if you meant like with an image, i don't know, maybe ouroboros, like the egyptians did.

>>21819237
Could be cool.

>>21819237
You know what, while doing flags for /∞/ I though the exact thing about why a simple circle was used, but I guess there is a story behind it. If you see our flag they use things like gears and chain in a circle to transmit that idea.

Thanks for the answer! And sorry for the misunderstanding!

>>21815229
>first point
get fucked lmao, though i didn't do it to disrespect you guys. if i wanted to do that i wouldn't've made a language at all even if everyone else got one.
>second point
it does like chick fil a, god dammit lol. maybe if i didn't make it red. i swear those diacritics are supposed to be carrot leaves like on Kiki's shirt design and not a hen's comb

>>21819583
Oh, or maybe the recycle symbol… Which gives me an idea for some lore for my thread. The circle is complete.

>>21768515
Whoever made this man's food should be fired and imprisoned.
>>21818820

>>21790544
>>21791914
Representative here:
This seems neat, althought I was avoiding describing the political system of the republic for a while now, I assume you eventually want to develop it more, also, I'd say the liberals should mantain the tech stealing tendencies from the Republican in addition to tech exchanges.
No other comments.

Would /who/ enjoy an artpiece depicting a half-naked bloodstained Mumei with a broadsword fighting off a hoard of soldiers?

>>21823197
Seems rather specific innit? I'm sure some would enjoy it, but personally, I think a soldiers uniform and armor are an aesthetically important part of it.

>>21823687
So would a commander uniform or knight's armor work? Something high in rank but low enough to need combat experience.

>>21824189
Sure, if it's involved in direct combat then anything from a peasants war clothes to a sargent would work.

>>21824458
>sargent
*sergeant
I need more coffee

>>21818323t
Not from the thread but any thoughts on how the two classes come into a union? While we know one culture has a higher social status than the other, it doesn't (necessarily) have to be a conquerer/subject relationship.
The position of the capital is interesting as noted in the climate post. It would also fall into the Pölitid cultural area but (since it's the capital) it's likely to have a culture that leans more towards the Fönixids. Is the cause natural (perhaps it was founded by Fönixids as a colony? or were they exiled?) or artificial (the locals deliberately adopt Fönixid culture due to its higher status? or the modern Fönixid culture has more southern elements than the original one?)?

I'm not sure what else /nasa/ could do for /who/ in the meantime. We still need to hoard materials to build the bakery. We have a pretty good produce trade. We're at least friendly with military affairs. /nasa/ needs to build the waterwheel sawmill before mining. We still need to buy domesticated oxen to breed for transport. Currently /nasa/ is melting scrap from the weapons vault, which is an okay supply of titanium, stainless steel, and other metals. Wonder if /who/ would be interested in ice, coke, or other things.

>>21825293
Coke (industrial) is certainly a thing that we would want, improving the quality and output of steel production is just too good to pass out on.

>>21825101
Not a /kfp/, but here's a few ways this dynamic plays out IRL:
Religious classes, similar to the Indhu castes with the Brahmins vs other castes.
Old blood nobility, with the higher class being the descendants of the feudal overlords of the land.
Installed ruling class, similar to the Hutu and Tutsi from Rwanda.
Martial rulers, with the higher class forming the core of the military, Sparta is an example of that.

>>21826521 (Me)
And I mean all of those form a Venn diagram with almost all real world examples overlapping multiple categories.

>>21826122
/infinity/ is very interested in coke as well. Which makes sense given they're a steel nation like /who/. /infinity/ wants /nasa/ to open a local bakery in their country. Though /nasa/ will have to build a dome around our embassy there. /nasa/ will have to ask: Can we build a dome in /who/ as well? It will give Sanalites a place to sleep without needing spacesuits. They're comfortable but not that comfortable to sleep in on earth.

>>21826521
Well, that's more about how the smaller ruling class justifies and thus maintains its power over the bigger lower class. I'm more curious as to how they became the ruling class in the first place, and how did they end up ruling over both chunks of land.

>>21825293
Give them milk!

>>21826823
In the real world, entire populations tend to be very reticent to surrendering their self-determination without some kind of military dominance occurring. Even if the ruling group doesn't actually conquer the subservient group, they would at least have enough military power to guarantee the safety of the peasants from outside threats, which was roughly speaking the social contract in many feudal monarchies. So, perhaps the Fonixid defended the /kfp/ land from an outside threat and slid into a position as rulers while the Politid were just thankful for being protected?
The other way would be to have some kind of Kiara intervention, where she favors the Fonixid somehow, or they're related to her. That would be similar to how as noble family trees expand a whole nobility class is created.

>>21827055
Don't /who/ have their own cows for milk? /nasa/ can make cheese and ice-cream with milk.

>>21827549
Yes, some kind of military conquest and subjugation is the most common result of a divided upper and lower class, but it doesn't always have to be the way, which is why I want to ask people from /kfp/ which direction do they prefer, and how did that happen will play a major role in deciding the dynamics between the two groups once they share the same roof.

>>21827841
Nutrition plays a huge part. The wealthy lords in the middle ages ate pigs to stay healthy and fit to fight while peasants ate vegetable and grain gruel. Even if the peasant had weapons they had an unfit body and mind to take on the lord and his men. There's also the idea of responsibility and education. Peasants are simply too stupid to handle the responsibility of managing their lord's land. So they gladly follow orders.

>>21828556
spoken like a true aristocrat

>>21828556
Not the kfp anon, but that is also more about how they maintain their power than how they obtained it in the first place.

>>21829319
Are the laws complex enough that you need a high class education to understand them? Because complex laws are another way to keep ignorant peasants down.

>>21815229
>city of Nasfaqg
>the size of phoenicia on the map
??????

>>21829665
they could always be moved to that little peninsula in the middle of /hlgg/, it'd free up space too.

>>21829665
It's a big city

meanwhile....we just collect nuts and are pretty much all middle class? there are those with more influence than others but because of the nut tribute, the economy effectively gets reset every year to prevent someone from getting too powerful. So what would that make us?

>>21754684
>>21757152
Monarch has in fact declared Lumi/Yuri the STATE RELIGION and frowns upon all other cults; since the new thread explicitly names Lumi and Yuri. Not their former agency at large only.

The climate adjustments work perfectly. I know very little about the specifics, so thank you for fleshing it out.

>>21754808
I'm talking the OP of the /cylg/ thread I represent, not the OP of /wbg/.

>>21830219
>100% wealth tax
Holy based

>>21830272
Ouch, I guess I misread that. Still, my point about how much you can shape the country still stands, just in a different direction. Regardless, glad you like the climate!

>>21830219
Cute squirrel friends.

>>21830219
it means you don't operate in modern social classes, maybe something like stone age communieties? I don't really know how your society is structured, are people born into religious and political positions (like village leader) or elected for it in some way?

>>21826801
Absolutely, it might require assistance from our own engineers and architects to build it but it would improve our communication networks, /nasa/ could easily be integrated into the mail system we have in place to speed up and cheapen any logistics you'd need.

/ehe~/ flag

>>21831769
So that's two bases. Which means our third base will most likely be built in /ggg/. Not sure if there's any where else that would be of interest for another base outside of the icecap north sea.

>>21832574
Nice! You're the newest split to contribute now. Make sure to take a look at the archive.

>>21832625
base in /rbc/ for uh... uh... reasons

>>21832851
>>21809726
Read spoiler.

>>21832574
Cool flag.
Noice, new blood.
disclaimer: not a /meat/anon.

>>21832720
still reading through the entries,, what's the end-game of this project?

>>21833625
Autism singularity

>>21833625
As far as I can tell, the fun of creation is the main thing. There are ideas of creating a UE4 or HOI mod at some point, but we'll need more content for that.

>>21833625
>Endgame
None yet, we're just doing this for fun.
That reminds me, we're going to need to make more space for your country in the map

>>21833816
EU4*

>>21833816
>>21833901
We need to make an Unreal Engine 4 mod and make it work somehow

>>21833938
Anon, a UE4 mod is just a whole game. Would be kino.

>>21833880
Maybe bakatare could donate some land to the North? It's quite big, even bigger than it seems on the map because it's near the equator.

>>21833880
What kind of climate would /ehe~/ want? I guess somewhere rainy would suit Kobo's lore, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

Before I go to bed I have to ask what's your nation's current goals now. What are you trying to aim for your development? Would said development make your people happy?

/nasa/'s current development goal is to establish economics outside of /nasa/ so we can acquire wealth to import materials we can't find in the tundra. We also need to eventually build a seaport for faster trading with /who/. Many Sanalites are sad at the loss of the station's factories. I'm hoping to renew their purpose in life by bringing them new opportunities to use their talents with a new economy.

>>21834032
The world is huge
it just looks tiny because the initial map is simplistic
Just take chunks out of an abnormally huge country

>>21835303
Main reason I thought of bakatare is because this way the country would be next to other IDs, as well as being quite large.

>>21835303
The country sizes are all wonky too, small generals are massive.

>>21835627
I don't necessarily agree that smaller thread population should = smaller country. There are really big and barren countries out there. But it's true the main concern of the initial map distro was to give everyone a country of similar area (on the mercator projection) and this resulting in mildly improbable country sizes. But I don't think it's too bad.

>>21834454
either that or small cluster of islands would be preferable

>>21835303
Tbh parts of india i mean /ggg/ would be the best place, especially since they're abnormally large

>>21836188
>>21836386
Maybe a small archipelago could be added off the tail of the /ggg/ shark? This way /morig/ can come befriend them easily.

>>21836486
I mean, it depends on whether /ehe~/ should be close to the rest of holoID, which itself probably depends on how close Kobo and/or the thread is to them.

>>21836188
It depends on what kind of environment /ehe~/ want. If we go with Kobo's lore, somewhere rain is common but not constant might be a good idea (although on the other hand, one can argue that constant rain only makes the ability to stop rain even more important), so it might be better to wait for that anon to answer.

something I worked on a while ago but never really finished

>>21836965
What kinds of climates would have constant rain? Britain?

>>21837894
tropics work

>>21837894
Depends on how heavy you want the rain to be.
>Tropical rainforest: constant, heavy
>Humid subtropical: constant, medium
>Oceanic (Britain, basically): constant, light
Seasonal ones are also listed for reference:
>Tropical monsoon: seasonal, heavy
>Subtropical monsoon: seasonal, heavy (the climate you want if you want the title of "heaviest rain")
>Mediterranean: seasonal, medium
>Continental monsoon: seasonal, medium~light

Incidentally, if the anon who made https://vtwbg.github.io/ is around, can picrel be added for easier latitude reference?

bump

>>21835100
Ohh that's a fun prompt, I wonder what that would be for /morig/. In a meta sense we're mostly trying to establish relationships with the other threads active on /vtwbg/, but in-universe those relationships are probably long-running. The IC goal might be to reduce human trafficking in the Holosea and improve the power projection capabilities of the Deadbeat Navy.

>>21835100
Things to note beforehand:
>This is strictly in an IC sense; in OOC sense our goal's the same as /morig/ in encouraging other threads to participate in this project. /meat/'s interaction with other countries is as significant as they want it to be.
>Modern /meat/ trade and raid relationship does not overlap much - if a trading partner asks /meat/ to stop raiding them as part of the deal, they'll honour it. The same also applies to /meat/ cult activities, but in underground deals for obvious reasons.
>Contemporary /meat/ ship designs mean they can't sail as fast as /morig/ ship of the same class when running (sailing downwind), but is more manoeuvrable when reaching (sailing with the wind on its side), and has a smaller minimal angle for sailing upwind. As such, /meat/ naval doctrines put a heavy emphasis on sailing against the wind when encountering /morig/ navy. Because of that, conventional raiding season in northern Holosea occurs right before the monsoon begins blowing onshore, so that raiding ships can engage or evade them at the most optimal circumstance. Because of that, /meat/ also put a heavy emphasis on reducing possible staging areas that would allow /morig/ navy to intercept them en route. Examples of these locations include southern Holosea, as well as part of the eastern and western coast.
>sorry /morig/ for butting heads everywhere, we love you, but this IC rivalry is too interesting

Prompt answer:
>What are your country's current goals?
/meat/'s longstanding goal is to expand the reach of its fleet, either for trade or for raid. This also includes weakening /morig/'s potential power projection capabilities, especially in strategic locations where /morig/ fleet and intercept /meat/ fleet.
>What are you trying to aim for your development?
/meat/'s current development aims to develop its industry, commerce, and diplomacy to expand its trade network. This includes both open trade and cooperation, and underground development of groups sharing /meat/'s ideas and appetites.
>Would said development make your people happy?
If it goes well, it will both make /meat/'s economy prosperous and expands /meat/'s influence, which will naturally lead to a more varied diet for the population, so I imagine many of them will be happy with the development.

>>21844370
Also, being a parasite diverting all foreign resources back to the homeland
We dont expand by clay, but drain our enemies

>>21844910
Though our trading partners are well-compensated...

>>21844370
>spoiler
This is what it's all about, I love this! It's great that there's a raiding season of sorts, gives the whole dynamic a bit of dramatic buildup between the times of higher intensity activity. We can have sailors going "Ah fuck, it's getting muggy, ain't it? Patrol's gonna get hectic again..." Overworked deadbeat seamen get to catch their breath somewhat for a few months too kek.

>>21844370
>/meat/ ships sail against the winds so they can escape easier
Hey I wrote this idea! Glad to see it's still canon

>>21845118
Oh, they'll be overworked alright... (picrel)
>picrel is basically how ships sail against the wind, with square rigs having to take shallower angles to do so. If the wind is light (say, when they're near the doldrums moving onshore), they would likely have to go even further and sail in a 8 pattern called wearing, which can take even longer.
To be honest, that's what I was looking into a while ago, hence the question in >>21791754. Basically, /morig/'s ship design (square rig, likely heavily armed) means that they'll are fastest when sailing downwind, and a salvo (that lands) will easily BTFO its targets. That's why the first two rules of /meat/ naval doctrine when dealing with this design is:
>never let the enemy present their broadside at you
>never engage in running chase
Of course, the dominant trade wind and holo monsoon means it's easy (for a fellow naval country) to predict when will /morig/ fleet be the most effective, and thus the operation can be planned against it.
In /meat/'s view, the best way /morig/ can counter this strategy (save for adopting the same kind of sail, which probably won't work well against /meat/ anyway since they have centuries of experience operating them) is to position their fleet across the ocean (since /morig/'s rich naval tradition means they also know all these issues) to intercept /meat/ fleet, hence its diplomacy will focus on minimising these staging grounds.
The other way for /morig/ to counter it would be to, well, camp - mobility doesn't matter if the enemy has to go past that place. However, Holosea is a pretty open water, so that means the camping locations would have to be raiding targets, and as what a /meat/ strategist might say, "they can't be everywhere".

>>21845552
Checks out to me! /morig/ prefers sailing setups that optimize maximum speeds while sailing downwind, because that means when a ship is needed somewhere, the closest ship upwind of the target location can have a vessel dispatched towards it at top speed; this works because there are deadbeat vessels all over, so there's usually a ship upwind of anywhere. Basically, the goal is to minimize response times to information relayed by messenger birds. So putting /morig/ boats in a position of pursuing upwind is the optimal move for /meat/.
But yeah, they definitely can't be everywhere, that's part of why mobility and response times are a priority. The navy is probably happy to be able to deny what areas they can. Raiding can only be mitigated, not completely stopped
(Until the orbital satellite lasers come online in 300 years, at least)

>>21846476
Sounds logical! Of course, it also means /morig/ fleet is dispersed by default, which can be problematic when the /meat/ raiders they're tasked to intercept is larger than expected. The more limited mobility can also make them having a harder time against ramming and boarding actions.
That reminds me to ask, how are the ships further away from home being supplied?
I guess the good news (although they likely won't know that) is that the Age of Sail will likely end in a century or two for them, when the direction of the wind is no longer an issue, negating most of the problem (water current can still play a role, but at least that works on all ships more or less equally). Of course, by then railing would also likely become internationally unacceptable, so /meat/ raids would've stopped as its activities become more... discrete.

>>21846771
Two main ways, first, trade agreements with friendly countries may come with a request to allow the presence of a /morig/-managed warehouse at a harbor. There is one such installation in /kfp/ for example, and there would probably be one in nasfaqg as part of one plutocrat's investment in a /morig/ settlement. The other option relies on the fact private /morig/ traders are numerous, Deadbeat officers can produce official IOUs to exchange for supplies with traders encountered in foreign ports, and once those traders get back home those IOUs can be redeemed at the naval headquarters, usually seeing a slight profit for the action overall as an incentive. The incentive part is important, since an IOU in your hand is obviously less attractive than gold in your hold.
The end of the age of sail will be pretty exciting, and the transitional phase where they just kind of slapped steam engines on sail frigates during refits is fun too.

>>21847305
I see the potential for yet another front to fight in...

>>21847789
https://youtu.be/LX_IlHZS8qo

>>21847789
Noo Ame don't counterfeit the IOUs, time traveling to give your forgeries realistic wear and tear is cheating!

>>21848040
Indeed not, but someone like her might get involved in something she probably shouldn't when she's hired to investigate the mysterious death of a deadbeat trader during an inopportune moment...

>Relying on IOUs
Havent the MEFO bills taught you anything?

>>21848177
Ah, Ame can handle it, she's the finest detective in the /ameg/land Yard. It's just a dead Deadbeat, how deep can this case go?
>>21848242
>Deadbeats weren't the jews, they were the nazis
What a twist

>>21830701
Risuners basically act like native American tribes. They would have a chief/elder and everyone else would have their assigned duties. Nobody is necessarily poor since nuts is their currency (in risu our money literally grows on trees) and everyone works hard to collect. The one thing that binds all risuners together is religion. All risuners worship their oshi goddess risu.

>>21848914
Indonesia have tribes that do that too.
Like the Dayaks of Borneo, Living in communal longhouses and each family are given tasks.
They have modernized, replacing wooden houses with apartments, but the lifestyle is still there
Im apologising in advanced in case youre gonna research this

>>21849462
all good. i actually didnt know much about this, too busy googling indonesian boats. Had no idea the indos had cannons since the 1300's thats pretty fucking neat. Not that risuners are gonna have cannons any time soon.

>>21850633
That impulse to deep dive into every single detail is the second best thing this general provides. First thing being comradeship.

gfx /meat/head here
Good news: Im free now. Will resume map design

>>21770068
Since /hfz/'s fighters are parodies of canon chuubas, I'd say your religion is like the classical era of Anatolia/Bedouin where bootleg deities from a different pantheon are added to their canon. An anatolian goddess was added to hellenic, a phoenecian god was added to the arabs

"Oh, you still living in this dump, Melisende?"

Upon hearing the familiar voice, the deerstalker-capped head let out a small sigh and looked up. Through the windows, the trenchcoated figure responded with a wave, before moving to open the door. The amble sunlight leaked into the room, casting on the tired face as the blue eyes narrowed.

"Why, you have a better place for me to be, constable?" The detective coughed a bit as the man made her way through the room and took a seat. The wooden chair creaked against his weight as his eyes glanced over her.

"Unfortunately, no. Maybe I can arrange something for you if you go rob a store." *He let out a small chuckle as he shook his head. His hand reached into the trenchcoat before procuring a small slip of paper. The blue eyes casually glanced over it, before her attention was caught by the writing on it.

"Another case from the Yard?" She reached for the paper from the man and gave it a closer read.

"In a way." The hand reached for the bottle to the side, as the constable helped himself to a glass of liquor. "You see, this case has bad luck written all over it. The higher-ups just won't touch it."

"Calavera... a deadbeat?" Melisende narrowed her eyes as the details began to sink in. Deadbeats in the Kaiserreich were not an uncommon sight - merchants, soldiers, sailors frequented the docks of the city, trading goods and supplying their ships in anticipation of their enemy.

"Sounds like a whole lot of nothing for a dead merchant if you ask me." Despite that, she still pocketed the slip in her own coat.

"A dead merchant, maybe. A deadbeat merchant, though..." He attempted to pour another glass, but a glare from its owner stopped him in the act. "Especially during this season. You know what season this is, detective."

"Of course, of course." Melisende nodded as she leant against the back of her chair. A drop of sweat slid down from her forehead before it was wiped away with her fingertip. The hot season had just begun - and for people living on this southern coast of the continent, the wind blowing from the depths of the land meant one thing: the strange people from the south would be coming. Always sailing against the wind, their infamy preceded them - they were raiders and hunters, and their game was the most dangerous one. Perhaps fortunately, that was also why many of the deadbeats were here. They were the hunters of the hunters.

(1/2)

>>21856414
A navy could not run without provisions, though, and when their warehouses could not supply, their merchants would be lending a hand to them - with an interest, of course. Naturally, it also made deadbeat merchants like Calavera targets of the raiders and their friends. Rumours had it that their bloodthirsty cult was everywhere, even in the Kaiserreich. People had indulged in stranger fetishes - especially those with more power and wealth than they knew what to do with. Regardless, it would not be impossible for the cult to assassinate deadbeat merchants right before their raids to impede the resupply, and thus the ability for the fleet to fight against them.

It was perfect... perhaps too perfect.

"Won't be constabulary be after the case?" She asked the obvious question, and the answer began with a dismissive hmph.

"The higher-ups told us off. Said they had it dealt with." He mumbled with some more words that a lady like Melisende would rather not hear. "Told you, it has bad luck written all over it. Won't be surprised if some Fönixid's in the cult pulling the strings."

"I can't go against direct orders... but I can't stop private eyes from looking into the case either." A grin emerged on her face as he leant against the table, causing the detective to pull back at an equal distance.

"Except with a ball of lead." She pointed out.

"Except with a ball of lead." He repeated, with his eyes straying onto her upper body. Beyond the admittedly curvy shape, a leather holster housed a piece of fine wood and steel. "And a draw faster than yours, of course."

"... fine. You owe me a big one, Burton." Upon hugging her coat tight and letting out a sigh, the private eye stood up from her chair and straighten her clothes. Her gut feeling told her that she would not be seeing much sleep on this hot spring night. Might as well get started before the trail went cold.

"Of course. I'm sure Mr. Calavera's family would pay handsomely for the truth behind such unfortunate death." The constable mused to himself as he reached for the bottle once more.

"If you keep drinking, it'll be Mr. Burton's grieving family that I have to deliver the news to."

"Nonsense. It'll take more than just glass to take me down." His chuckling disappeared behind the door, as the detective got to her business.

She had expected foul business, but Melisende would never expect what she had gotten herself into.

(2/2)

>>21856414
>>21856436
I decided to start writing something out of >>21847789 and >>21848429. Hopefully I can see it to its end. Will be archiving them myself then.

bump

bump again.

The worst part about writing for /nasa/ is waiting real time for projects to finish. We don't really have an on-world history. I could write about off-world history. Though I will be writing about things /nasa/ no longer has.

>>21856414
>>21856436
Ah yes. I too play Crusader Kings 2 with Sunset Invasion on

>>21856436
Damn, decidedly cinematic. What did Melisende get herself into?
Also, nice, we've got an Ame expy now, nature is healing.

So /meat/ has both a viking barbarian side and a cthulhu cult side
Damn theyre op

>>21856436
Damn, multimillion dollar four season drama show set in Vitubia when? I need it.

>>21856436
I imagine a final battle with the, now revealed to be a cultist, Landwirtschaftminister of KFP

"Killing me, means nothing! As long as my people thrive, we will kill the gods! Heaven is overpopulated. It's a poultry farm without a slaughterer. Chickens cramped in their coops. Feeds are running low. The wheat has run dry. WE are the slaughterers to bring balance to the Aethergarten!" he boasts with all his breath. His arms untangle into thorny veins. The Vtubium essence of their eldritch plant goddess.

>>21865483
So One Piece but about the navy?

>mfw a parody fanfic about a 4chan board will become a unique original IP
This is not the timeline I expected but lets see where this is heading

I think there's a hundred Sanalites or so interested in settling outside the station. However we need to set up dome bases for Sanalites to sleep comfortably. The bases will also serve as a place to repair suits when they get damaged. We do have interest in an /infinity/ embassy and bakery. As long as you have the proper cranes we can make domes as tall as two stories.

>/nasa/ is greeted with an envoy from the Imperial capital
>It's a /pagi/ diplomat and /moon/ diplomat
>the ioforia greets with a very pidgin filled, dialectic, language
>the Sanalites can still understand it's a derivation of their mothertongue

>>21865878
Fuck, I dig it.

By the time Melisende arrived at the address, moonlight was already shining gently in the night sky. The warehouse district did not see much traffic at this time of the night - so much the better, really. Too many unwanted activities would no doubt ruin the crime scene, not to mention being found alongside a corpse without an official reason could land her in serious trouble.

As the detective made her last turn before arriving at the warehouse in question, though, a silhouette by the door stopped her in her track, and the figure had no doubt noticed her presence as well. Fortunately, perhaps, she was not greeted by the smoke of gunpowder, but rather a friendly, if slightly nervous face. Judging by the pale orange uniform and the standardised weapons on her belt, it appeared that this young woman was from the constabulary as well, something that she immediately confirm with her greeting.

"Good evening, ma'am! Constable Burton has already told me you'll take up the job!" The almost naive smile on her face only seemed to make her rawness even more apparent. At least, this constable-in-training appeared to be friendly, and the private eye released her grip on the handle beneath her armpit as she let out a sigh of relief.

"The crime scene's inside, right?" She asked, gesturing to the closed, but unlocked door to the warehouse.

"Yup! I'm told to stand guard here until you come. Something about keeping it undisturbed." With a confused expression, the young girl turned and pushed the door open, allowing Melisende to enter the scene. As moonlight seeped into the windowless building, the detective quickly scanned the surroundings, witnessing the numerous crates and barrels lining the inside of the warehouse. Almost all of them were organized neatly, with the exception of a few crates laid in the middle of the room.

"Let me light it up for you, ma'am!" Before she could respond, the sizzling noise of something catching fire was heard behind her. As the ember glow quickly turned into the flickering light of a torch, the interior was quickly illuminated, revealing the scene of crime as the distinct colour of blood emerged.

(1/4)

>>21868078
Several wooden boxes were laid in the middle of the room. On top of them, shackles anchored to the four corners pulled the limbs of a humanoid body in a spread position. The victim appeared to be emancipated, his deathly pale skin forming a sharp contrast to the red stains covering the wooden planks, turning the bespoke business suit into an undifferentiated black. The thick stench of blood dispelled any doubts - this was a crime scene.

"Gruesome, isn't it?" The newbie constable said between the coughing noises. Melisende, on the other hand, simply marched forward and began examining the body. Despite the skinny appearance, the body felt just as heavy as a well-built man - a tell-tale characteristic of deadbeats due to their dense bones. Of course, it apparently did not save him from his untimely death, and the cause was soon made apparent. As the detective attempted to lift his arm to unshackle it, it proved to be unnecessary, as the clutched fist was pulled out from the sleeve, leaving her a gnarly stump at the wrist, causing a suppressed cry from behind.

It was not an accident of decomposition, either. After a quick examination, it was made clear that every joint of the limbs, as well as his neck, was severed by some kind of blade. Deadbeats might have reinforced bones and organs, but any ligaments soft enough to allow a normal range of movement would be no match for weapons or specialized tools. A lack of other major injuries on his body suggested that these wounds were likely what killed him, either by decapitation or blood loss.

The killer was definitely someone with extensive knowledge of the humanoid body and the durability of deadbeat bones. The cult from the alien shores appeared in her mind once again. From what Melisende heard about them, they were remarkably knowledgeable on the function of the human body - a knowledge they used to draw out the suffering of their victims before feasting upon them. Perhaps the lack of muscles among deadbeats left the last step of the ritual undone?

As the cadaver was removed from the crates, Melisende could see a pile of paper soaked in the viscous blood, alongside something shiny. Carefully reaching into it and pulling it out, the object revealed itself to be a broken piece of trinket. As the blood dripped onto the floor, she could discern the fragmented symbol despite half of it missing - a white snake coiling around a purple clock, resting on top of a golden cross.

(2/4)

>>21868113
"Oh, my... that symbol." Picking up something potentially meaningful for a change, the blonde detective turned towards the pale-faced constable, who had been watching while holding the torch. She appeared to be on the verge of vomiting, but ultimately managed to keep it in.

"Reminds you of something?" The detective asked as she held up the brooch for her to see, while her hand moved onto the papers. Unfortunately, they were all glued together by blood, and most of them were indecipherable. However, they appeared to be some kind of cargo manifest, perhaps for some of the goods here. One thing that stood out from the half-molten papers, though, was a wax seal bearing the insignia of the deadbeat navy, suggesting a likely recipient.

"It's from the cult. I think it was from one of the cannibals' goddesses." The inexperienced officer answered, struggling between moving towards it to get a clearer look, and moving away to avoid touching the gore still dripping. "I saw that in a few raids and other - "

"Other?" Melisende perked her ears as the brunette constable stopped herself.

"... other scenes. This was the third case of the month." Any dedication to secrecy was no match for the blue, inquisitive gaze. After a moment of silence, she parted her dried lips once more, with her voice stuttering lightly. "W-we were told to keep it under wrap. They said it would hurt the garrison's morale when - if, I mean if - the raids come!"

"Right..." Melisende let out a small sigh. Why was she stuck with a mess like this, and the only help around was probably not qualified to hold the gun on her waist? If nothing else, she would want the client to be a voluptuous woman that looked like the fabled Kaiserin, not the broke and drunk Constable Burton!

"Sh-should we write it off as another human sacrifice?" The officer asked as she covered her nose, seemingly looking forward to leaving this place once and for all. Indeed, it was pretty obvious that this was the case, especially in light of other similar incidents. This deadbeat was part of the war effort against the cult raiders; he was chained to the crates like a sacrifice on an altar; the killer was eerily familiar with the human body; the accessory was apparently from the cult. Everything lined up perfectly.

Too perfectly.

(3/4)

>>21868147
"Not so fast..." Her fingers took hold of the clenched fist. It was unusually tight, especially for someone who died in such a way. As if to break the series of coincidence, the blonde detective dug her fingers into the fist, slowly but surely piling it open. Eventually, the dead muscle gave way, and the bloodied fist finally released itself - and the reflection of metal painted a smile on her face.

"... aha." Partially embedded in the pale skin was a piece of precious stone reinforced by a metal frame. The bloodstain did not hide the careful polishing it must have received, not to mention the well-crafted frame of gold and silver. The emblem carved on the greenstone was not one she recognised, but there was no doubt that its original owner was quite affluent - and the letters on it were used by the Kaiserreich.

"Is it from the cult?" The shaking head widened the smile on Melisende as she put down the dry, severed palm. A new, discordant lead at last.

"I see... say," The private eye slid the two adornments into separate pockets on her coats. Their boiled leather interior would keep them protected without staining the rest of her wardrobe. "I don't suppose you happen to know someone from the cult?"

(4/4, to be continued)

oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy!

>>21867093
What does the imperial capital want from /nasa/?

>>21868169
Shit has me gripping the edge of my seat anon, very nice. Someone falseflagging /meat/? How curious... The crime scene description was especially good.

>>21868684
Establishing diplomacy? Making an embassy? Some guesses

>>21869113
Well when we figure out exactly what the imperial capitol wants then we'll be here. Diplomats will want a day of rest after their travels. We can discuss things in the morning.

>>21868113
>A clock
Oh god oh fuck the /meat/ oishi is a Kronie.

>>21846476
>Raiding can only be mitigated, not completely stopped
Technically we could stop them if we took and set up fortifications in much of the natural harbors of /meat/'s territory we would be able to deny them staging grounds and also force them to deal with these new holdings rather than continue riding

>>21870752
forgot my warbeat

>>21870752
technically, you could stop them by completely desintegrating their navy.

>>21870752
Yeah, but that would require a full war of conquest, which would be a whole undertaking, especially this far from the island. Plus /meat/ would have the homefront advantage, losses would be tremendous. Current tech logistics aren't good enough for such a war effort to be feasible or beneficial for us.
All out war between the countries will probably have to wait until naval transports are a lot more developed.

>>21870799
Bony kino

So I guess /nasa/ is going to have to re-evaluate the risks in opening an embassy in /infinity/ if we're at risk of cannibal cults.

>>21870955
/meat/ ships are relatively small and inexpensive though, especially compared to our ships of the line, they can build new ones relatively quickly at local coastal village installations, where we need large ship yards, a lot of work and a shit load of canon casting to build and arm ours.

I'm guessing we're heading into the /meat/-/morig/ war arc?

>>21871337
Could /morig/ design smaller/faster ships that don't cost as much to build?

>>21871337
That just means destruction has to be more thorough, regardless of how inexpensive their ships are, it's still a big investment from part of their villages and cities, on the other hand, organizing counter-raids into /meat/ could prove fun.

Whelp. If war is inevitable then /nasa/ is going to have to pick sides because trading supplies empowers a nation. Also if /nasa/ wants to trade with /meat/ then we're going to have find an alternative trade hub outside of /ggg/. /morig/ will not allow /meat/ trade ships to land anywhere near Holocontinent. Also if /nasa/ trades with /meat/ during wartime then /morig/ will cut off trade with /nasa/ and ban us from the west Holo Gulf. I guess we're at mercy of third party black markets if /nasa/ wants cacao.

When /nasa/ hears about war, we assume all war is total war where the point is to starve your enemies into submission or outright destroy them and their culture.

>>21871516
It's almost as if there's a precedent for navy-oriented nations to genocide and burn down entire islands to the ground in far less ideologically driven conflicts.

That being said, I'd imagine /nasfaqg/ traders would organize brutal retaliatory counter-raids if their specific lands are raided - but also as I said before, I think this would also mean that /meat/ raids into /nasfaqg/ lands would be a very rare occasion, making counter-raids even rarer, especially since trade is a better option for both sides.

>>21871139
N-no, the bakery/embassy…
But to be clear, we do have a relationship with /meat/ were they're muscle for hire. We might or might not be paying them in part with unrecoverable schizos under the rug.

>>21871476
Really, the /morig/-/meat/ status quo has been a gently simmering constant conflict for many decades. I think /morig/ would have small and fast military ships as well, such as corvettes and frigates I just haven't gotten around to making a cool drawing for them[\spoiler] but our naval policy would result in those being relatively expensive too, because to play to our strengths we'd want them to have maximal speed and lots of guns. /meat/ ships are more about shallow drafts, upwind sailing speed and boarding, which leads to their less expensive ships that play to their own strengths. We wouldn't be as effective doing what they do, and they wouldn't be as effective trying to do what we do.

Looks like things are getting exciting

>>21871854
The concept of a total existential war spanning whole continents requires 20th century technology, just to have the technology to spread destruction across such large territories. There's a reason most existential wars in history are between individual cities (think Rome vs Carthage).

>>21872429
Fucked up the spoiler, I'm never mobileposting again.

>>21872558
I do it all the time anon, don't worry.

>>21872315
The rumblings of war are making things nasty for trade in general. Keep in mind /nasa/ is used to not having to pick sides because of open trade between planets in the past. So picking sides in war is very new to /nasa/ station. There's also the debate whether or not its safer to sail around the globe to west Holo with /infinity/ and /risu/ than it is to sail through the south Holo gulf where the golden age of piracy is happening. /nasa/ really needs to start building their aluminum ships. We might have to take out a loan for building a seaport noe whether we want to or not.

>>21871854
>>21872513
Yeah, total war did not tend to happen before WW1 except in very specific situations (like the 30 years wars), this is more like low level skirmishes that don't amount to nothing.

>>21872628
I'm sure /nasa/ will find particular companies that can buy resources directly off their ports and distribute them elsewhere. "Sell and forget", risk handled by the traders themselves.

>>21872628
We know you have too much on you plate /nasa/. /∞/ will keep the offer on the table nonetheless for you to pick it up anytime.

/nasa/ wouldnt even need to worry about the war.
It's as if Denmark caress about a war in SEA and India in the renaissance era

>>21872799
>I'm sure /nasa/ will find particular companies that can buy resources directly off their ports and distribute them elsewhere. "Sell and forget", risk handled by the traders themselves.
I can see nasfaqg smile and making numbers already.

>>21872762
Perhaps its just /nasa/'s fear of war. They know space age war is devistating. Especially when we're dealing with planet destroying weapons like rods of god and hypersonic nukes. Even asteroid catapaults (yes they are literally named that) can destroy continents if the rock is big enough.

>>21872628
>>21872879
Yes, this basically. Also a Northward route hugging the polar circle would be the quickest route between /inf and /nasa/, I'm pretty sure.

Just spitballing here, but I wonder how /morig/ would view the sovereignty of /meat/ as a whole, considering their propensity for getting pruned and /morig/ generally having a reputation for being in the jannies' graces. I'm not thinking an outright denial of personhood, but maybe just general skepticism over their functionality as a nation, especially if they have a reputation for piracy/other barbarian behavior. This attitude would be much more commonplace among those who never/rarely leave the island (ie, the religious class, basic citizenry, and some warriors), while the more worldly likes of the independent merchants, navy, and ronins would have more respect for them.

>>21872891
Not all /nasfaqg/ traders rely on hard numbers and calculations. Some have unnaturally good instincts and trade by feel, or are idiots with a borderline supernatural luck, like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Dexter

>>21872799
>>21872891
The nose knows I suppose. Middlemen get expensive if you have too many of them. If we have to set up shop then we'll set up shop ourselves and become our own middlemen. I've been looking into decentralizing /nasa/'s trade and production outside the station. If we can launch a communication sattelite then decentralized production will become super easy with telecommunication.

>>21872833
The embassy is a very popular idea in /nasa/. It just wouldn't hurt to go over the risk before finalizing plans. That way we can make plans when things go wrong. I think having a seaport and shipyard in /nasa/ will benefit us in the long term. Especially if we can sail fast and light aluminum alloy ships across the globe in 4/5ths of the time a typical renaisaunce ship would take. Plus insulated aluminum alloy ships will be excellent for transporting ice. Which ice will be a massive money making industry for /nasa/ if we can introduce south Holocontinent to cold drinks and ice cream.

>>21873133
Not trying to insult you, just saying that war is a good opportunity for neutral actors to make deals.

>>21873332
That's not how trading works or worked, though. You don't have national trading fleets, but rather companies - and the point of /nasfaqg/ isn't that trade is built based on unavailability of other options, but rather cutthroat competition that simply makes their services more affordable than alternatives while still making a profit. Things such as economies of scale, connections, networks all come into play.

>>21873468
I didn't take it as an insult, just pointed out that outside of neutral actors making deals you'll also have glorious bastards sailing through blockades or selling fresh gunpowder to navies about to engage in naval combat.

>>21839138
Added. You can now turn on the latitudes by selecting the grid toggle.

>>21873544
Obviously the trader would be a company. I just prefer it if the company is owned by a Sanalite rather than somebody else.

>>21874010
There are /nasfaqg/ Sanalites, you know... One is a very successful trader.
Besides, you just cited costs. I explained that purely from the perspective of costs, it'll probably be more profitable to employ a /nasfaqg/ company.

>>21873122
That's interesting. That could play into why nations are willing to trade with /meat/ while also getting raided; they don't see the two as part of the same faction, just independent actors from the same region.

>>21874010
didnt a sanalite ask you about a partnership just a few weeks ago?

>>21874132
I must have forgotten. Either that or it happened when I was asleep.

>>21874100
I still want to invest in building infrastructure. But I guess I'll just have to accept loans from the (((guild))) because /nasa/ will never have the resources to build things on its own otherwise.

>>21874472
Let's continue. /nasfaqg/ has the infrastructure, connections, and trade routes already planned for hundreds of years. /nasa/ is a first world shithole with none of these options. For /nasa/ to build these things for yrade on their own we're looking at decades of research and labor. And nobody except the Sanalites already in the /nasfaqg/ guild has connections.

Therefore shut the fuck up about trading principal. Go back to melting scrap metal. And let the big boys handle trade for you. In fact just resign you old piece of shit. Nobody needs you anymore.

>>21768515
We the people of /nasa/ are going on strike. Its clear that the principal has no direction for us. He talks about building infrastructure that is not possible. Why mine? Why build a ship yard? Why do any of these things for ourselves when other nations already have these operations built? No, what needs to be done is getting our space station back into space so we can communicate with starfleet to establish connection with them. We are not making a new homeworld because it is simply too much work.

>>21874648
I, uh, am not sure who wrote this post. Neither of the two people whom you replied to... Since I am the second one.
Is this an anti-/nasfaqg/ post? I can't tell.

Is the /nasfaqg/ plutocrat responsible for the North-West /morig/ installations around?

>>21875263
You bet. Although said plutocrat is also busy for the next two weeks so in terms of lengthy lore-writing, I've been forced to move my sketches/descriptions to the backburner.

What do you need?

>>21875409
The Black Fleet is currently expanding their re-supply and messenger bird networks, we currently have a warehouse and rookery in /kfp/. Do you think you could help us navigate the bureaucracy to make such an installation happen in /nasfaqg/? We can assume all construction expenses, and this would provide a steady buyer of the products needed to run warships.

>>21875055
Whelp, I caused /nasa/ to go on strike. Let's try to negotiate. First off I always want to build /nasa/'s infrastructure first. Even if it starts off as a loss its an investment for future generations to use. A problem /nasa/ is running into is the Grand Directive which demands we leave as minimal of an impact on the planet as we can. And even trade with natives is pushing the Grand Directive. But I digress.

I still think a seaport in /nasa/ is necessary if we want to secure northern trade routes. If the port doubles as a shipyard then /nasa/ can build ships to be insulated from the cold. The problem is /nasa/ has neither funds nor materials to make such a port. Therefore /nasa/ will either have to pay for everything out of pocket in gold or rely on foreign investment for funding. The problem with foreign investment is that their contracts demand understanding of our technology in order to guess the cost of investment. This once again falls under the problem of the Grand Directive. If we already have a Sanalite in the guild. Then the Grand Directive can be waived because we will be owned by a Sanalite-owned company. This is my two cents of the understanding. I refer to /nasfaqg/ as the guild because of my old boomer brain is an idiot. I'm also an idiot when it comes to trading connections, but I do know how to budget resources. I need more advice on how to make this work.

>>21875533
>nasfaqg
>bureaucracy
Bigger issue would be handling a steady supply chain there, since prices in the nation are extremely volatile. Warehouses and storage would alleviate this allowing to buy (almost) non-perishable products like grain or naval equipment precursors like hardwood for cheap over time.

I there would be certainly no issues with a messenger bird network, although considering it's /nasfaqg/ I'd invest heavily into rock-solid encryption (which I could handle)... and birds that are hard to intercept.

Regarding the resupply itself... I assume it's strictly for military purposes? Asking because I likely already have an established town/harbor in those lands, but for purely military purposes maybe a separate, strictly military fort would have to be erected for secrecy and defensibility (and also not to scare off civilians off my districts).

>>21871854
>going to have to pick sides
Eh, neutrality has its perks as long as you are well defended enough… t.kfp
Best case: Swiss neutrality for maximum war profiteering
Bad case: Iranian neutrality for turning your neighborhood into a chessboard of other nations
Worst Case: Belgian (attempted) neutrality for turning your countryside into No man’s land

>>21875859
Yes, the main advantage of having warehouses is to smooth out variations in price/supply from the local sellers as well as variations in demand from the Deadbeat Navy. The birds themselves are Kustori Buzzards, who are most adapted to crossing immense expanses of open sea, they can get a message from the Black Fleet Headquarters at /morig/ to any coast on the HoloSea in a week or less, provided they're well bred and trained. They're not dodging bullets, but then I don't think any birds could do that kek. Encryption is a good shout; important intel is likely encoded in a cypher, but /nasfaqg/ may have useful insights in the domain.
And yes, this installation would be completely barred to civilians, even other deadbeats, barring unusual circumstances. A fortified emplacement would be sensible, especially given the relative closeness of the /meat/ territories.

New bread doko?