/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>21770130
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Hell yeah, I love bait OP.

actual previous thread: >>21770122

>>21770258
Seethe

>>21770130
>YOUTUBE GOLD PLAY BUTTON
1) Gawr Gura - 3,900,000
2) Kizuna Ai Main - 3,090,000
3) Mori Calliope - 2,010,000
4) Usada Pekora - 1,900,000
5) Shirakami Fubuki - 1,870,000
6) Houshou Marine - 1,870,000
7) Inugami Korone - 1,790,000
8) Hololive Official - 1,690,000
9) Watson Amelia - 1,640,000
10) Minato Aqua - 1,570,000
11) Kizuna Ai Games - 1,510,000
12) Shirogane Noel - 1,460,000
13) Kiryu Coco - 1,440,000
14) Sakura Miko - 1,420,000
15) Hoshimachi Suisei - 1,410,000
16) Ninomae Ina'nis - 1,380,000
17) Nimu Spacecat - 1,370,000
18) Akai Haato - 1,350,000
19) Takanashi Kiara - 1,350,000
20) Nekomata Okayu - 1,350,000
21) Oozora Subaru - 1,290,000
22) Nakiri Ayame - 1,250,000
23) Kuzuha - 1,240,000
24) Natsuiro Matsuri - 1,230,000
25) Tsunomaki Watame - 1,200,000
26) Amane Kanata - 1,170,000
27) Kson - 1,150,000
28) Shishiro Botan - 1,120,000
29) Moona Hoshinova - 1,040,000
30) Kureiji Ollie - 1,020,000
>31) Tokoyami Towa - 1,000,000 *New entry*

>GOLD PLAY BUTTON BY BRANCH
19x: Hololive JP
5x: Hololive EN
2x: Hololive ID
1x: Nijisanji JP
0x: Nijisanji EN
0x: Nijisanji ID
0x: Nijisanji KR
2x: Kizuna Ai Inc.
2x: Independent

>GOLD PLAY BUTTON PER COMPANY
26x: Hololive
1x: Nijisanji
2x: Kizuna Ai Inc.
2x: Independent

>>21770130
Yesterday's superchats

>>21770130
There is going to be a Niji doujin event and it looks like there are plenty of participants.

https://nijisanji.familiar-life.info/
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06

Also did a quick look and there are some nijiEN entries.
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06&circle_id=fdf57006101837867c337c8da2ba013a
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06&circle_id=70f53a05dfe372ad38ad18d6659d6b6e
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06&circle_id=eafa4f7a1e3caaf42664ab11e055fc33
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06&circle_id=c6b27abcdcb32b2de0f397c83310486a
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06&circle_id=e2dc181550150d4acdf7b280d9944f41
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=nijisanji06&circle_id=94b603a0f3054ab58da84b69f7a6a709

don't recycle the bait thread you morons let it die

>>21770130
PREVIOUS THREAD >>21770122

>>21770130
actual previous thread: >>21770122
>>21770122
>>21770122

Didn't reach 80k... I am fucking disappointed.
It didn't even beat Coco's 3D reveal.

>>21781022
It's massaging her already big ego

>>21770130
now this is a fitting op.

3 ER stream in this slot change..

>>21781029
She's using the mori name. They absolutely could. Though cover is probably okay with the deal since they doesn't have to deal with overseas productions/distributions if those were handled by UMG instead.

Whats the point of IRyS again?

>>21781277
uhm, everyone is asleep, hello?

>>21781140
Only way they can stop her is terminating her contract. Which they aren't going to do obviously since they get money out of this and don't fuck their image.

>>21781091
You realize the like doesn't update anymore on poi after the VOD get archived, right ?

So less streams from mori huh like january kuzuha

Wonder how Kronii feels now that a person she looked up to sold out lol
Kronii is so adamant to make it without the Hololive name

>CATCHES YOUR FUNNEL
NOTHING PERSONEL, SHINIGAMI!

>>21781022
>Comparing Victor Entertainment signing some no-name and probably throwing a bunch of really shitty cuts
vs
>Most subscribed music Hololive member signing to UMG, when Hololive is far more well known and has much better bargaining power
It's night and day anon, the circumstances are far far far different. I'm guessing Cover is going to try and leverage this to improve their own contacts as well as other benefits too, otherwise I can't see why they'd be okay with giving up a portion of the cuts to a 3rd party like this.

21 jst overlap is pretty brutal...

>>21781277
Dude theres more than enough news to make up for it

>>21781344
failed attempt by cover and producer omegay to get a Mori they can control

>three ER streams
good thing koyo got her 10k earlier, she's gonna get murdered

>>21781277
I mean, it's playing when more than half of N.America is asleep and Europe are at work. Her audience for the concert are SEA, Aussies and curious Japanese.

>>21781455
Nousagi bailed immediately

>Got to debut in 3D
>Promoted Holostars to over 60k (500k with cull)
>Dropped ANOTHER collab song with Suisei
>Dropped one of the biggest announcements ever out of a Hololive member, possibly the biggest outside of coco graduation/rushia termination
Is it time we kneel to Mori?

>>21781530
believe in the dog

reimu and all nijien girls, if you girls are /here/ time to prep for EN 4

>>21781441
>Kronii is so adamant to make it without the Hololive name
she's barely even relevant outside her kronii persona she should be grateful she got to be kronii in the first place

don't recycle bait threads retards
>>21781350

>>21781472
I just hope those faggots or cover let sora go already. They cant do sora's voice justice.

>>21781481
Seriously you guys are happy about this? Deadbeats, you should know that she going to stream less from now on right?

>>21781594
>ACCELERATE
ACCELERATE

>>21781472
>Cover
>bargaining power
Kek

>>21781606
NO

>>21781344
Realistically speaking will Irys get a contract like this even if it takes years?

>>21781614
unofficial vsinger tier

>>21781018
>Niji signs to label
RORU RUMAO Niji is desperate for money
>Holo signs to label
HOLY SHIT, THIS IS A BIG DEAL
HOLOS INCLINING

Holofags gotta be faggots I guess

>>21781614
what's the downside?

>>21781568
>139
Chumpedobro...

No bait, but compared to other big EN groups, I feel like HoloEN stands on a league of their own at league with Myth. Their aura feels like actual celebs instead of just vtubers.

What's the capacity of this venue?

>>21781614
>going to stream less from now on
sounds good to me. i aint a deadbeat tho

NijiEN have to step up in their relevancy especial their first wave Myth and Mori are flying sky high

Capsule 1M prediction?

https://twitter.com/calliope_info/status/1510950664381210624

>>21781606
but i like this image, the dog is cute

>Couldn't even get 80k
Meanwhile Suisei got 147k

Huh the collab song with Suisei is already under Universal. So Suisei is signed under two different labels?

>>21781684

this thread can't even hide lol

>>21781684
>Holofags gotta be faggots I guess
hey now, don't lump deadbeats in with the rest of us.

>>21781701
no shit they're at the peak of EN vtubing and by vtubing I mean everything that comes along with it not just viewer count

>>21781723
Less than usual since Cali will be there physically

>>21781723
It's the same place as Suisei's first Sololive.

>>21781723
the same as sora sololive? or watame? i forgot but around 3k

>>21781684

>>21781645
Assuming Cover gets their shit together and start managing her properly, yes. But I don't expect that anytime soon.

>>21781684
Because holo signed their biggest "vsinger" while anykara just peddled their chuuba to record labels just cause they were popular when they cant sing for shit

>>21781772
No you fucking retard. She's just a featuring singer on Mori's song.

>>21781731
Can't do that without 3D. They need to wait for about 2 years in order for them to properly compete with Hololive.

>>21781723
it's the top result on google anon. don't be lazy

>>21781684
did you even read the thread, half the people there are questioning it

>>21781772
Do you not know how collaborations work?

>>21781736
If Suisei promotes it too, I’m thinking 1M in 1-2 days. Mori’s songs are not Gura tier fast but this is a promoted song to over 70k+ people with a giant JP star as well as the fact that Mori’s no slouch either

>>21781723
Mori live with holostar doryaaa

>>21781723
3k

>>21770130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M85xU-tbQ6c

Can nijien males sign with major music label if they keep sucking each other's cocks?

>>21781684
Unlike most Holo fans I'm zagging while they're zigging, this is a terrible move. Mori will get less money with probably even less fame. This must be an edo thing.

>3D Live auto-directed to the song premiere
Nice

>>21781876
>peddled because they are popular but can't sing
Sounds like the same as Mori. What your point?

>40k waiting with 2 minutes to go
uhhh guys, that’s a lot of people

>>21781731
NijiEN is miles away from myth they could only dream of touching their feet

>>21781876
>just cause they were popular when they cant sing for shit
This 8s literally what Holo did though

>>21781772
No, Suisei is playing it smart. She has songs with different labels because they're only a collab songs, meaning she is only there temporarily as a guest to someone who signed with the label itself like Calli and Inoue Taku. She gets advertised by them whenever the collab songs are mentioned but aside from those instances all music she's making are still hers.

>>21781958
>40k waiting

Is Mori the first EN vtuber to sign with a label or are there more?
Either way I don’t think Mori ever cared for the money she made off music since she gets flooded with SC and merch revenue.

>>21781854
Watame's is Tokyo Zepp, which unfortunately got demolished recently.

is "can [NijiEN member] get X if they Y" during holo events the worst posts on these threads
discuss

>>21781723
A music venue with capacity for around 3,000 people.

so where is the third announcement that kiara promised?

I'm automatically sent to Mori's premier. Is that the raid feature that YT is implementing?

>>21782036
youtube actually has a raid function but it only works on your own channel, perfect for this

I am really disappointed with today's gold.

https://twitter.com/calliope_info/status/1510950664381210624
Seems Mori is signed with UMG EMI Records.

So, Mori is the first ever ENvtuber to hold a live concert with paying customers at a concert hall.

All of this HoloEN reclining baits sound kinda stupid now huh?

>>21781419
Cope

>>21782056
Suzy wanted custody of her model. Suzy is smart as fuck when dealing with contracts. She is terrible on song budgets though.

>>21781962
You won't be laughing when she releases a song with Eminem............or Kuzuha, lamo

Jesas

>>21781614
They are cuckbeats after all.

>>21782064
She used the redirect feature. I got dropped into it immediately after she ended.

>>21781627
You'd be surprised with all those sponsorships and collabs that's coming around to Cover. Their influence will only get bigger now with Mori signed.

>>21781472
Behemoths like UMG doesn't give a shit if you have 10+ million subscribers anon YT anon, even big name celebs doesn't get better cuts unless their albums can sell by the millions.
The benefit of signing with a huge ass label like this is massive advertisement and collaboration opportunities, cover probably thought they can reach new potential audience with Mori's musical prowess better with the help of UMG and hope some of that translates to viewers for the Holo box, and UMG is definitely aware of this as well. Cover/Mori is absolutely getting miniscule cuts and they are retarded because they think its a good deal and will only be let down when they realize that Mori's song doesn't appeal to normies.

>>21782122
no, channel owners can redirect their streams to a new stream of their own channel since a long time

>Universal makes Mori an international superstar
>Signs more holos
>Holo has a whole explodes
>Universal adds Hololive land to their theme parks
CALLING IT NOW SCREENSHOT THIS

>>21782193
Is that good?

>>21782190
I would be in stiches at either proposition.

>Sora : Victor Entertainment
>Suisei : Toy's Factory
>Mori : Universal
Who's next?

>>21781772
>taku inoue and suisei unit under VIA
>Mori calliope SOLO under UMG, and the collab song is just featuring suisei.

>>21782071
>>21782170
Yes

>>21782250
>holos move to movies next

>>21782263
This is like, The First Take numbers for premiere.

>>21770130
40k in waiting room to 30k watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M85xU-tbQ6c

>>21782240
If Cover doesn't have to compensate Universal over failed albums then I don't see the problem for them here, even if it fails it doesn't cost them anything.

>>21781684
Most anon are questioning it
She went with the deal as Mori
At least Suisei is still indie and only signed to a label as a unit with Inotaku

>>21781876
Mori can sing? Since when?

It's over

Vox and mysta need 2 sign to the FANZA label.

Cover are starting to make the same mistakes Ichikara did that led to their decline

>>21782240
'Shrug'
Cover's aspirations have always been global, so that doesn't surprise me in the least.
I think money from music isn't as big of a deal in their minds compared to the increased Reach and becoming 'Legit' in the eyes of the wider world.

>>21782174
>Likes mattering
We know EOP are all 30s tourist who open a stream, leave a like then close stream

>>21782250
>>21782331
I'm actually interested at how they'll deal with vtuber graduations in any form because as we all know, vtuber lives are very short, even the oldest vtuber Kizuna Ai only lasted 5 years before calling it quits.

>>21782090
see the pic in the op, Nijiniggers are like taht little brother who will "totally beat you up once he becomes older than you", except a hundred times more annoying because you can't just backhand the cheeky little fuck

Kek

Indies CAN incline
Don't give up, 2views!

>>21782295
>Suisei : Toy's Factory
Huh? Since when?

Q 24K ccv 1M 19 hrs 10M 51D

>>21782503
Now this is some comedy

weschizo, just stop

>>21782543
Since four days ago https://www.toysfactory.co.jp/artist/midnightgrandorchestra

>>21782503
MV is still running, this is the new function that automaticaly bans nijinippels.

>>21782295
Gura - Disney

>>21782071
Getting a deal with Universal is a big boost for ego I think

>>21782503
This is what happens when you sign with label company.

>>21782331
Live action Hololive.
Kevin Hart as Mori
Danny Devito as Gura
Ryan Gosling as Ame
Will Smith as Kiara
The Rock as Ina.

>>21782503
Rusbro...

>>21782503
Wow, not even a day and label thing feels like a mistake.

>>21782503
holy kek

>>21781685
She's getting more corporate not less. A plaything passed around between the executives who like bbw. But cuckbeats also like that so maybe it's a win?

>>21782503
Yea, this is going to bite them in the ass hard.

>>21781772
Nah Susei is too smart to not signed under any labels, even Hololive doesn't own her.

>>21782374
Yeah, that's probably why they green light this. It's no secret that they aren't strapped for cash and cover doing expensive shit (potential revenue in this case) with low chances of success isn't exactly new either

>>21782503
oh yeah, there's that too with major labels... region locking because of retarded physical distribution legacy
and now because of dumb woke stuff

Im surprised pegors is getting this much numbers in this game.

>>21782503
I'm fucking dying here

>>21782595
NTA but sui said in a recent zatsu that she will stay indie, the toy factory affiliation is only for this project with inotaku

>>21782503
Russianbro…

At this point does ccv really matters to mori? Is cover still a streamer group company?

>>21782503
did you really just post a fake pic thinking people couldn't check it themselves?

>>21782647
LEL
Exposed....Ruskibro....

>>21782595
That wasnt suisei. It was taku inoe

>>21782486
Holo EN fags are utterly fucking obsessed with Nijisanji despite them being irrelevent because their chuubas can't compete with the big boys of Holo JP so they bully their little brother instead, it's pathetic

>>21782503
massivekek

surely UMG is taking a sniff at the numbers shark?

>>21782774
No, it could be real if he's a shitposting Ruski
>>21782647

>>21782503
>>21782647
ivan...

>>21782762
no, not really
Like, let me put it this way, if hololive was a traditional idol company, this would usually be the point where the talent graduates to become an actual artist

>>21782240
I don't know, kind of doubting that it's Cover decision to force her signing with UMG. Aside from Sora, which was signed back in the old days when Cover was still a chick company so the exposure is definitely needed, Cover so far didn't let the talents whose focus are in the musical department to sign with any record labels.
More likely is that Mori is the one who wanted to sign with UMG, and after Cover calculated how much of a share are they getting from it and considering whether it will have any significant impact to the company or not, permitted her to do it.

>>21782753
Yeah, she's still indie for solo songs.

>>21782409
Exposure tag is a must.

>>21782798

>>21782503
remember not to eat the ukranian food, vladimir!

>>21782762
Yes. Unless her songs are Ed Sheeran tier. They need something to promote her songs.

Does this mean HoloEN is mainstream now? Or just Mori?

>>21781645
they could. Provide her with a good producer that fits with her voice and she can be another star in the making. Her technique and power already rivals Azki.

>>21782762
>Does ccv matter
It barely matters for anyone. But even if we just ignore cull completely for a moment
>Most viewed Hololive channel that isn’t Hololive monthly
>Is close friends with the 2nd most viewed channel monthly, Suisei
>Mucisian being assisted by their company
>Signed to universal
Yeah. I don’t think it matters at all at this point

Mfw my face when seeing all the nijicope

It's fine on my end tho...
>>21782647
Ruski bro...

>>21782696
Only mori cause she is the one who signed

>>21782183
>She is terrible on song budgets though
You mean she spent too much?

>>21782685
I'm not a huge fan myself but more because I'm not a fan of huge corpos and how they do shit, I guess for deadbeats this is good since UMG signs Calliope Mori for a contract. This puts graduation rrats to death since she'll never graduate as long as she's still with that label, instead of signing on as her roommate.

>>21782753
that's the smart move really. especially if you don't need the advance to fund major projects. gives you better leverage in the future
heck even not-azki got her other project crowd funded in a day. 17m yen for a 3man live.

>>21782941
Like how enniggers quickly backtracking about their opinions on label? Kek

>>21782933
HoloEN has been mainstream for a while now, in JP at least

>>21782878
Cover stands to benefit the most out of this actually, because now they have access to UMG's global reach and advertising budget. Like, >>21782250 is obviously shitposting for kicks but it's actually not outside the realm of possibility

>>21782973
Well true. Cover has no doubt done the numbers and decided that taking a smaller cut is worth the connections, and Mori seems fine with making a smaller cut of a larger pie.

>>21782753
Yep, its a fun little technicality. Hoshimachi Suisei is not signed to Toy's Factory. Midnight Grand Orchestra is signed to Toy's Factory and she's a part of MGO. Anything she does as Hoshimachi Suisei is the same as before.

>>21782878
It gains them far more exposure than they could do themselves I guess. Mori being one of the most popular vtuber artists along with actual ad campaigns, I’ll be interested to see their sales numbers.

>>21782855
>this would usually be the point where the talent graduates to become an actual artist
Would it? I admittedly only followed H!P and AKB before, so I might not be all that knowledgeable about the idol scene at large. However, over around 12-15 years of my wota life, I've seen most idols remained with the group for at least a few years even after signing with a label / agency

>>21783058

>>21782989
It goes like this with Suisei
>Manager tells her how much it will c-
*Snaps fingers, DO IT
She basically doesn't even pay attention to costs and just approves it as soon as her manager confirms they can do it.

>>21783084
That's a bit too much but now a duet with Kuzuha is possible, and I would love to see people reaction to that

>>21782762
/#/ will still scrutinize her ccv mostly and I for one will continue to make fun of her if any of her streams underperform. But I'm just some random anon, for her personally? Yeah, ccv isn't meaningless but it's low on her list of priorities now

>>21783084
That's assuming Mori gets pushed by UMG. You always hear about artists who get sidelined in favor of someone with more connections.

>>21783084
what the fuck happened to my formating

>>21782855
The difference is that "Mori Calliope" character is owned by Cover.

>>21783189
She's fucking loaded then.

I find it funny that every time # thinks NijiEN is getting close to HoloEN, HoloEN suddenly pulls out shit like concerts and mainstream stuff.

It's like Watamage is toying with NijiEN.

>>21783256
yes, which is why I said if Cover was a traditional company

>>21782647
Stop invading someone else's land, Ivan

>>21782753
Smart suichan

Wait so EMI records is her label? That's like one of the biggest labels that there is in the world. There's no way if from what I read she's on the same label as Kuzuha, right?

>>21782762
>Is cover still a streamer group company?
>Cover a streamer company?
>All that IP farming
>just for streams
Anon...

>>21783037
I agree. Streaming, digital sales / DDL, crowdfunding, big labels are irrelevant to music in $currentYear unless you want to sell pressed music in stores at a big scale.

>>21783372
https://twitter.com/calliope_info/status/1510955267768619008

>>21783227
Kotonechama...

>>21783372
Kuzuha is under virigin music technically.

>>21782878
Obviously, Mori wanted to be signed to get the prestige/advertisement/opportunities whatev. And cover allowed her to considering the points in my post, where I feel they shouldn't have.

>>21783261
It's likely that she both has a very large budget and that she's absolutely terrible at budgeting.
Wasn't it Mio who predicted that Suisei would end up using up a lot of money this year, but that she'd be alright and enjoy it anyways......?

>>21783408
And do big tours, don't forget that bit.

>>21782989
In a way yes, Suisei has mostly footed the bill by herself most of the time I guess. She has mentioned of something like a fund for all the activities and most of her earnings goes back inside. Why foot the bill herself you say? Maybe because she's lazy to wait for cover's approval or doesn't want cover to have a hand in her own projects

>>21783432

HoloKR cover corp x big hit entertainment soon

>>21783394
Cover is becoming smarter by taking advantage of their IP. They are learning from these big companies.

>>21783502
True!

>>21783498
>Wasn't it Mio who predicted that Suisei would end up using up a lot of money this year, but that she'd be alright and enjoy it anyways......?
anon, she was talking about gacha

>>21783471
Oh, so she's not under the same label as Kuzuha then? She's under a vastly more popular and global targeted label? Holy shit she must have made bank with her contract.

>>21783471
Which one is bigger/better?

>>21783537
I wonder if they actually are planning that. Cover is not merely a streaming company anymore.

https://iconcollective.edu/independent-artist-vs-signed-artist/#:~:text=Limited%20creative%20control%3A%20Signing%20with,artwork%2C%20messaging%2C%20and%20more.
I don't see any benefit for Mori
Signing for UMG doesn't solve the inherent problem of being a Vtuber and having a niche audience

>>21783498
>Suisei would end up using up a lot of money this year, but that she'd be alright and enjoy it anyways
It's gacha
>>21783505
No. Cover has a budget for original song production but if you went over you have to pay it yourself. This is the case with Suisei. But yeah she want a total creative control for her music.

>>21782753
I dream the day of this blue woman going to kohaku as an indie

>>21783662
I know the answer to that but I won't tell since you're a fucking tribal faggot.

>>21783683
They were a tech company that broke into multimedia. They were music well before streaming.

>>21783607
Shush, let me craft my rrat in peace (I know it's about gacha, but wouldn't it be funny if.....)

How does ENschizo cope?
HoloEN is mainstream now

>>21783662
Its the same thing, virgin record/EMI

>>21783487
Eh try to think from another perspective, it's possible that Cover allowed her to sign with them even AFTER considering the possibility of it flopping. The one who will be hurt the most if it does flop is Mori herself anyway, and Cover still has a lot of music focused holos (Suisei, primarily) to net them those sweet EPs money. Basically I'm saying that Cover doesn't really care if it does flop, and if it's a success then more power to them.

>>21783189
>>21783505
I think it's fine as long as she can earned more than the cost?
Besides , from an example like her adding more budget for Je'taime by adding live brass makes the song sounds better

>last samurais so mad that Mori is now mainstream big time while their JP oshis are still nobodies
You love to see it

>>21782762
Unironically Pekora is the only Holo in this whole company care about it but ONLY because biggest streamer award use it as part of their ranking

>>21782762
No, they are literally becoming a multimedia franchise corpo.

>>21783662
obviously EMI

Should have waited for a few more hours to discuss the benefit of this label, too much hype and tribal fag rn. See you guys in the daily tally time.

Since Mori will get daily gold and EN gold, is there a point for EN gold today?

>>21783754
Benefits 2,3, and 4 are what Cover and Mori want. Budget probably isn't an issue at this point for Mori.
Con 2 doesn't seem to be something that matters, con 3 is also an issue but that ultimately depends on con 4, the contract that was signed. Con 1 also is dependent on the contract as if they like what Mori releases as Mori and they aren't giga-retarded, they won't slap in shackles that inhibit her freedom TOO much.

Someone is working overtime.

Wait, how the fuck Kuzuha is pulling almost 30k with FIFA?

>it's a big collab

I will always get impressed with how much these buff him

>>21783933
try harder nijinigger

>>21783839
>HoloEN is mainstream now
>The likes of Council
>mainstream
Calm yourself, it's just Calli

Costs
>huge ass cut to your music revenues
>some risk that the record label people are uncooperative or doesn't work well with you, exhausting needless time and resources

Gains
>small chance that someone relevant on the label likes your stuff and pushes you hard (advertisement, collabs with bigger names, etc)
>even smaller chance that the demographic from the resulting reach will like your stuff and follow your other shit

Would you take it, /#/?

>>21784096
Japan qualified for the World Cup so soccer games are buffed all around

>>21784112
Councilschizo don't you have hlgg to be shitting up right now

NippleEN status?

>>21783754
Seeing how this is done through Cover as a intermediary, I believe cons 1 and 4 won't be much of a limitation? Also the advertising and connections definitely does help to a certain extent

It's funny every time I go to # and see people here try to downplay HoloEN's achievements. It's almost an obsession to make them look weak at this point.

>>21784129
There's also the risk of restricted creative freedom
The label has the final say for the product they will release no?

>>21784199
Mori Wont sell 40k

I think I need images with more hooks

>>21784129
In this case there's a 3rd gain that, as an individual, I wouldn't be able to gauge, but Cover does
>Gain access to contacts and ties with a well known global label to potentially push your own stuff down the line
That point I think potentially outweighs the costs alone, given Cover's aspirations to hit the global market.

>>21784129
It depends on whether you can produce your own music as an indie although I personally think that Mori did it for the prestige.

>>21782753
she stays indie but she gets the benefits of being with a major label

>>21767021
>first EN 3D
>signed to major music label
>cant break 100k
EN is reclining

>>21783662
Virgin Records revenue: $84.91 million
EMI Records revenue: $1.8 billion

>>21784129
No. It's an awful deal when you frame it with such hyperbole.
>>21784332
>Mori did it for the prestige
That's the only way I can frame it.

She must be loaded already, no way she'd accept this without already being loaded.

I know everyone is talking about universal right now but:
https://youtu.be/M85xU-tbQ6c
Already about to hit 100k in 30 minutes while it hasn't even processed views fully yet..

>>21784009
>Guest in every concert
>Even had her Solo to deal with
Suisei working

>>21784354
kys

>>21784295
Yeah and that too, but for Mori's case restricting her creative freedom is probably a plus at this point imo

>>21784379
Virgin is under emi

>>21782941
why are you shitting on niji with a selen pic?

>>21784379
So kuzuha got the shitty one? Got it

>>21784409
I kneel.

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>I CAN’T SNEED
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>21784390
It just hit 100k.

>>21784199
Nipples twisted.

>>21784457

>>21784413
That just reinforces the point no? It's like being signed to a sub-league vs signed to the big house.

>>21784457
nice find

>>21784457
>Nov 28
Grudgechad, I kneel

>>21784457

KEK

>>21784409
Plus Vtuber Fes is coming up soon too

>>21784411
Kek true. Now she has access to people who can make better music than her.

>>21784164
>soccer

>>21784457
based grudgechad

>>21784390
Do we have a challenger for Reflect?

>>21784457
Bro. Did you save this just for the day something like this would happen, or did you remember something to grudgepost with? Either way, bravo.

>>21784268
Lmao you're not fooling anyone nipplenigger, we're celebrating here

>>21784457
BASED GRUDGEPOSTER

>>21782036
>>21782128
Suisei only got 20-something k out of her 140k audience. Pretty sure Template took more than an hour to reach 100k: >>21784487

>>21784096
time to play fifa and become pessi. think of the numbers pekora...

>>21784457
That's a nice grudgepost.

>>21784129
If I'm in her position and primarily think of my wallet? Hell fucking no. She most likely is signing it for vestige though, can't really relate since I'm not someone big and never had the experience of becoming famous.
Small curiosity here, but does her side-gig as DD usually pay much? Since now as Mori she's signed to the label she won't be able to expect much cash flowing from her music anymore.

>>21784096
holy based. i'll actually watch him this time. thanks.

>>21784597
She did not use that function.

>>21784457
dangerously grudged

>>21784506
So mori joined the major league while kuzuha joined the triple a league

>>21784520
Suisei is in there? I thought it was azki sora matuli

>>21784457
I KNEEL GRUDGEPOSTER-SAMA!!!

Apparently Mori will have a stream tomorrow talking about her contract, should be a good watch.

>>21784571
Honestly might, this is very fast. That massive algo-boost from having 40k+ dumped in very well could put it to #1 to 1mil for Hololive.

>>21784457
Delicious

>>21784636
2 days

>>21784607(me)
Why the fuck is it autocorrecting prestige to vestige

>>21783394
I can't believe Pokemon beats Star Wars...

>>21784457
Based Grudge Poster

does the algorithm push UMG music differently?

>>21784571
This shit is gaining views so fast. I don't want to say just yet but this is actually on record alert right now. And this is Mori fucking Calliope, who's got an enormous JP and EN fandom. It's not like Kuzuha's Vampire shit where 99% of his fans went to bed after a few hours. People are still gonna be listening to this come the next hours.

This might legitimately beat Reflect if it keeps up this pace even remotely

>>21782647
ruskie...

>>21784387
>No. It's an awful deal when you frame it with such hyperbole.
To the contrary, I think they're getting a fair deal here on hindsight. People here are downplaying Mori's music too much. Even if they're shit and unpalatable to the general audience, a label as large as universal could probably still find a decently large audience to be funneled back to the Holo box.

>>21784600
I can't believe pessiposter posts here too.

>>21784607
Per her own words, she was getting to the point where she would have been able to afford to not do her "scythe-swinging lessons (code for her JET job)" and live off her music alone. Of course that probably included patreon too which she isn't using to my knowledge.
Point being, money isn't on her mind anymore, and it isn't as though she gets NO profit from this deal. It's definitely more for prestige (and for Cover, connections) than cash.

>>21784457
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>21784636
That's day 1, Suisei is in day 2

>>21784457
This feels like years of bad karma being piled up by nijikeks and released suddenly by watamage

>>21784636

>>21784746
plenty of nousagi are both numberfags and pessiposters.

> power went out for the entire duration of Calli's concert
welp
70k is about most people here expected. And that was WITHOUT overlaps.

>>21781022
The thing with labels are that it varies based on contract, which tend to be LONG durations (3-5 years).
Sora was a small time girl and Cover was a low tier company when she signed on, and they very likely got a the benefit of exposure for a lot of her songs.
But once Holo got big on their own, they couldn't include her stuff inside the BOX to benefit from it.
Cover is currently a somewhat experienced company with the good aspects of both JP and EN work cultures, so I'm guessing that the contract terms are far more favorable to them this time around.
And well... this pretty much kills all rrats about Calli's """upcoming graduation""".

>>21784630
Compare their music output prior to signing to a Label and you can see why. Like her music or not, Cover has the metrics and so does Mori, and they can point to Universal that "Hey, we're in this to reach a larger market, we're already successful here, hows about we strike a deal?" whereas Kuzuha, as popular as he is, is more of a fujobait magnet with how they handled his album release (lottery ticket stuff, etc).

>>21783910
Yeah that's fair

>>21784457
Based

>>21785003
Most of the Nijis were more popular as streamers than musicians when they were signed weren’t they?

>>21784988
pulling the plug was the best outcome for you anon, smart move anon.

>>21784988
>And well... this pretty much kills all rrats about Calli's """upcoming graduation""".
It must be a very rainy day in Jakarta right now.

>>21785003
Not like mori is going to beat kuzuha without the fujobait, mind you that the 39k are only physical sales

>>21785087
himawari...

>22k Portal stream last week.
>27k There is no game stream despite fighting against 4 elden ring stream now.
Anyone knows what's going on with Pekora and why she is regaining her momentum in viewers lately? Was her april fools stuff giving her buff?

>>21784909
>Gokisei full lineup
Gen5 schizo don't look!

>>21785151
Mori is now on HonmaHima's level. Congrats, I guess.

>>21785153

>regaining her momentum

...did she lost it? her march was great

>>21784457
Based grudgeposter

>>21785148
Anon, Kuzuha is only going to get releases Japan. Mori is going to get releases all over the fucking world.

>>21785153
If you are gonna be like that, her 35k Minecraft overlapping with other +30k streams was more impressive. Yeah yeah, MC is a buff for the rabbit but 22k portal seems average

>>21785153
Anon, I hate to break it to you but Portal is pretty neutral as a streaming game while TING is pretty good as a streaming game, assuming you're not out of it (like Gura was when she was playing it, she was not enjoying it and it really affected how the numbers did for it).

When will Vox sign with JAV?
We can't let HoloEN get everything

>>21785148
lol

>>21785153
27k peak, she's already bleeding the fuck out of viewers right now. She's about to drop down to 23k soon.

The problem is something we've talked here a lot about. She has great peaks and a really high floor, but she sits closer at her floor (20-22k) than she does her peak in recent time. And this is kind of indisputable when you see that her vod views are the lowest they've ever been, her hours watched is lower and has more people on ass now, and the issue with her viewership not gaining large amounts of momentum.

But MC arc will be starting again soon and that's huge for Pekora. That might be what's needed to bring her back to "top form"

>>21784909
Holy shit, Siro's still alive?

>>21784457
nijisisters???

>>21785357
Dlsite ASMR debut

>>21785235
>less than 2 million watch time
>less than 30k avg cc
>good
March was probably Peko's worst month in a 6+ months anon

>>21785357
he should sign with ccp and become their taiwan invasion mascot

>>21785357
WIll it be Nipple torture JAV?

>>21785357
Nijisanji already have a nipple av coming up so,

>>21785452
Would DLSite really want to work with Nijisanji again after their last kerfuffle though?

>>21785420
Yes she often appears on vtuber concerts.

4 fucking elden ring streams

>>21785544
they just tacked on the title though, it's just a low effort pr move

>>21785153

>still bringing up that portal stream

holy shit

>>21785496
Tell me you don't track her numbers without telling me you don't track her numbers.

>>21785417
NTA but I fucking hope it will also save Haachama. I might just go full schizo if somehow only the number rabbit and the duck are getting good numbers while the catalyst for the new arc which is Haachama is left behind in the gutter.

>>21785420
Not only that, .Live is pushing its own concert

>>21785181
Not the gen 5 schizo but you can't believe this means anything when Mori just got signed to Universal before any JP holo. You have shitters in that same show and gen 5 aren't exactly out of place standing with them.

>>21785724
>not the gen5 schizo
sure bud

>>21785703
Let's hope the rabbit number magic works its wonders for haachama

>>21785417
come now anon. At least go into why her watch hours and total views are lower.

Let's see if you actually have any insight in the subject.

Anyone here that honestly believe Mori's contract with UMG is anything but disastrous is forgetting the fact that now twitter woketards have someone they can call to when Mori or her antis does dumb shit again

>>21784379
KING lost to a fucking wigger? I have to retract my knees.

>>21785417
The game being too boring and frustrating to look at probably factored the viewer bleed. Since she didnt went sub 30k yesterday in her minecraft stream despite going for 2 hours. Also she really needs to start her long weekend streams again if she wants to grind her hours. But she keeps waiting for "that game" she have been begging perms of.
The only game that would justify her months of not doing weekend stream at this point would be Metal Gear Rising.

>>21785703
The one positive right now is that Haachama is pushing for MC revival plenty and she's constantly in the faces of these people so she's an actual presence that people can't just ignore.... yet. But you already know with an MC revival comes Miko, Botan, Lamy etc. And they're all so much more popular than Haachama right now. It's going to be difficult making ground with big names in front of you

>>21785420
She has like 2k median CCV, she's not that bad off, why would she be dead.

>>21785829
I just run all the calculations and my conclusion is natural decline.

>>21785654
I'm out of loop anon, did some schizo brought it up or something? I just use the portal stream as reference since it is the most recent and analogous game to what she is streaming atm.

>>21785724
no one wants to get signed, just look at suisei

>>21785850
>UMG
Dude, the level of yabs they deal with is not anything some sea monkey can cook up with his discord buddies.

https://twitter.com/DoKomi/status/1510965423134625797

>>21785908
I don't know man, I thought a lot of the dinosaurs from the old days died off from the early days. When Kaguya Luna died I gave up on vtubers until Hololive when I saw that clip of haachama barfing.

>>21785087
It's like Akina, Kaede or Hima. Signing to a label is worthless for them since they all can't sing or experience/training as a singer. Calli/Suisei pumped OGs like ever 2-3 month and both of them has EPs/Albums before getting signed.

>>21785908
Wasn't there an idolbu who have higher median than Siro?

>>21782798

>>21784571
Maybe, or maybe it's just using the front loaded hype of dumping the live viewers into it. Mori got like 500k I in eday with unalive before it fell off, no?

>>21786081
That’s kinda what I was getting at. Mori was known for her music before getting signed while a lot of Niji talents were more known for being popular streamers.

>>21785935
come now anon, no need to admit that you are retarded to the class.

>>21785850
Do you honestly think EMI fucking records gives a shit? That's the label that had Queen for fuck's sake.

>>21785850
Have you seen the shit kanye and snoop does? Unless you have cp or is a pedo, everything is a nothingburger to them.

>>21786163
I wouldn't compare that. As somebody who is a fan of Mori and loves her new album, UnAlive is one of the weaker tracks she ever put out. Its just kind of blah as a song. A true banger wouldn't have slowed down that much. People just didn't loop it since its not that good.

>>21786163
Yea, it'll ultimately depend on if the EN fanbase does their reps and how JP does their reps when they wake up. Reflect was dropped at an awkward time for NA, but it allowed JP to get a full evening's worth of time to get the views up.

>>21786142
Guys, does Suisex sign with MUG too?

>>21785618
Flare getting absolutely destroyed
what a waste all she has to do is avoid everybody like Noel did and could easily get 20k

>>21784129
I still don't get why she didn't do it as her roomate, I guess she needs sui buff

>>21786040
Spoiling Kiara big surprise kek

>>21786302
I keep telling people in this thread, but Flare and her strategy of attacking primetime after getting an audience who watches her in latetime is dumb as fuck.

>>21786135
Maybe when Idolbu was still alive. Also she has a little less than 2k median, my bad, it was not the median but the mean.

>>21783284
># thinks
It's just shitposters and delusional nijifags. Making coombait streams to milk fujos for cash doesn't get you big deals and sponsorships.

>>21786343
>I still don't get why she didn't do it as her roomate
She's doing it the other way around anon

>her Cover shared income gets the label cut
>her own stuff as her roommate benefits from the exposure and she gets all the proceeds for herself

>>21786289
Eh, idk. This has the momentary hypw but Q was way bigger in everything, including having an MV. I don't see it beating reflect, shit I don't even think Gura can beat Reflect

zeta is basically holoKR right now

>Menhera Rushia gets axed
>The entirety of Gen 3 starts to overlap everyone
Really makes you think

>>21786040
&IRyS!

>>21786302
>Noel is a Knight
>Flare is an Elf
>Knight got buff by elden ring
Case closed

CapSule no chance of beating Reflect to 1 million. Has a slight chance to beat Q though.

>>21786487
The rule was that they wouldn't start at the same time unless force, i.e. sponsorship streams.
But they might have let that go as well.

>>21786040
go irys go!

>>21786549
Well holy fuck, HoloEN is winning when it comes to branching out of the vtuber space.

>>21786487
It's not even gen 3, it has been Flare who has been forcefully overlapping lately. Pekora and Marine are coordinating and are still avoiding overlaps. I think I remember some instance where Pekora even tried to move her stream when Flare went to her schedule.
La Negra elf is going rogue.

>>21786459
I dont watch her, does she pander to them?

>>21786004
You literally have no idea, its not much work to share around her 'skeletons' when Mori is on a spotlight or under heavy critique

>>21786610
CapSule is a good song
Reflect is not

>>21786040
Voxsisters, why is a 2k ccv liver getting our sponsorships?

>>21786610
It'll beat bad bitter and contrail though

>>21786682
She can speak Kr, and that's good enough for them.

>>21786645
winning compared to whom?

>>21785829
Sorry I was typing out a thing for you but my power went out and I’m on my phone now. I can’t get you all of it without taking a while typing shit out again so just bear with a small version of it without actual details.

Basically, a lot of Hololive members inclined and have both intruded on her usual timeslots (notably the noon streams in the weekend) and have been more on top of streaming entertaining things. The issue with the inclines for Pekora is that they’re becoming established fans of theirs, and what that entails is that there’s a lack of viewers to pick up around the area. You simply can’t grab what isn’t there.

Also, the members seemed to have had enough of Pekora’s shit. Ok, I don’t mean that they hate her or any of the that, but Pekora’s notorious for “stealing” viewership by streaming before and after events and talents not even wanting to compete with that. If a giant event ends, who are people going to go to? Pekora or Kanata? You get what I mean? But with these giant inclines of other talents and people like Koyori for instance establishing her own fanbase, Pekora is starting to get swarmed in her usual timeslots so the pressure is on mightily in recent time.

Other than that, it’s just weak playthroughs like Sekiro that don’t have people interested. Last time it was ARK and everyone fucking hated it, to a point where she was dishing out some of her worst VODs in months. That’s sort of my theory on things

>>21786691
Numbers?

>>21786709
I think the concert lottery really helped the sales of his album.

>>21786459
Holy fuck, more than 80% from the won and the next highest is the British pound sterling of all things.

WON KRW 36 815806 82,245円
£ GBP 2 53.98 8,678円
YEN YEN 8 3120 3,120円
PHP PHP 6 1025.00 2,446円
$ USD 3 14.97 1,836円
HK$ HKD 3 70.00 1,095円
SGD SGD 3 12.00 1,084円
MYR MYR 5 33.90 985円
EUR EUR 1 5.00 674円
NT$ TWD 1 70.00 299円
---- ---- ---- ---- 102,462円

>>21786709
Yup, this is the difference between Kuzuha and Mori. Kuzuha's originals have shit numbers while Mori have great numbers

Reminder that nijiid is such a failure they're not invited to the biggest SEA animecon this year

>>21786487
The entire coverage thing and monitoring overlaps was just so Rushia wouldn't have a Rushia moment. It's been a free for all since then.

>>21786683
What level of SEA are you? UMG deals with artists strangling prostitutes, saying the no no word as a cringelord 20 something does not register. They might like the publicity if nothing else.

>>21786691
Anon, whether a song is good or not doesn't matter for numbers. Look at Unison for instance (and then look how it completely nosedived after a few weeks)

It's been a long time since I saw Roboco this low. Is this a shill stream?

>Zeta 4k at SC reading

Holo ES when?

>>21786818
Even Moona got invited by a singapore anime fest last year i think. Someone also cosplayed as pekora at that time and I was cringing.

>>21786743
Every other entuber

>>21786709
I'll never understand this. Kuzuha's cover songs do pretty well numbers wise but his fans just refuse to listen to his originals and they just trudge along so very slowly.

>>21786818
>nijiid
That doesn't exist anymore.

>>21786818
I mean, NijiID doesn’t even exist anymore anon. Why would they get invited?

>>21786943
You're right, niji didn't get invited at all

>>21786840
Saying the n-word x decades ago as a white person is unironically more career killing than strangling random prostitutes in today's western culture anon

>>21786897
Su...sugoi...
So...this is the power of first ever non JP GFE...

>>21786818
Anon...

>>21786883

>>21786883
yes... where have you been? they got another week of this

>>21786883
>Is this a shill stream?
Yeah.

>>21786683
>its not much work to share around her 'skeletons' when Mori is on a spotlight or under heavy critique
KEK, anon, plz. If Universal can get BTS uncancelled in China they can do anything

>>21786897
Still losing to Kobo though.

It would be funny if Cover uses the exact strategy of Anykara and excels at it. But I think Cover is already winning

>>21786883
yes, every single holo will play this shit
so expect to see it everyday throughout the month

>>21786761
Reminds me of kanata who used to make mii character of a holo right before that holo big event.

>>21787135
anykara doesn't have a strategy

>>21787107
>Universal can get BTS uncancelled in China
qrd? I'm not familiar with kpop scene btw

>>21787140
This game probably gave Cover some massive money. Even Hologra was not spared.

>>21787135
>It would be funny if Cover uses the exact strategy of Anykara and excels at it.
What would that strategy be, anon?

>>21786761
Maybe Pekora was right to take Mio’s advice of not relying on luck.

>>21787080
Is Bomberman like really popular in SEA or something? Kinda odd game choice.

>>21787063
You're ridiculous if you actually think that when it comes to the music industry and a label that literally has white people use nigger in their songs. Nothing Mori could do could constitute a "behavioral problem" unless she's knifing tramps and burying their corpses.

>>21787080
Huh, so Holokeks are also lying.

>>21786883
Yes

>>21786928
A lot of cover songs seem to be flavor of the month.
It’s easy to get views when your cover is popping up in playlists and results for anyone searching for the song.
Originals are more difficult to get casual views since the only people looking for the song will be fans of the vtuber.

>>21781736
Probably 5 days or 1 week. Song sounds like shit.

>>21787179
It was not really Universal but the sheer power of kpop stan girls but that move surely coincided with this move by China

>>21786917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCV5rrHaBNg
>Dec 2020
This was at the time where Moona Pekora arc happens and also ID2.
>3.6k viewers
That's big for ID at the time when they're all 1k sub shitters.