/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Nope.

nope

(You) clearly love her, can't stop making threads about her

>>21649562
AND GAMING

>>21649562
Do you really need to make another mori thread

Just spam her on twitter. all you’re gonna get here is an echo chamber

>>21649562
What happened with Mori?
I don't use Twitter

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>>21649562
No, but she does love my BBC.

No.

>>21649562
only when it is convenient for her

>>21649562
No. She loves ME!

>>21649690
She wants to facecam like kson and holo won't let her so she's salty.

>>21649562
I think she enjoys it greatly. I don't think she's capable of love though.

>>21649562
Overall? No.
I do think she experiences moments of emotional highs where she appreciates it and the position she's in, but these are always promptly followed by her going right back to acting like an ungrateful fucking retard who would rather be on her own.
It's more or less expected of her by now so I wish people would just stop giving her attention, but cuckbeats insist on always taking advantage of these moments to say "SEE?! SHE REALLY DOES LOVE HOLOLIVE MORE THAN ANYTHING!" which is annoying and only stirs up the antis to go after their oshi even harder.

>>21649562
No. Never did and never will.

>>21649562
All she's been doing so far is just to date a guy 'cause she's a femcel

>>21649562
How many times does she need to say yes for you to believe her?

>>21650949
Yeah, me

>>21649562
No, she just likes being famous

No, she likes her genmates and her friends, and she likes her fans (as long as they don't get to attached! that is). But she probably hates just about everything else.

i hope she moves on soon so i never have to see her again
every time i see her face or hear her voice i know that the collab is ruined

yes

What song from 2017 was twitter bitching about in conjunction with her april fools prank?

I just want to know because whatever offends these fucking faggots is probably worth a chuckle.

>>21650969
>never used to say it
>the past few months have been awkward for her due to her own behavior
>suddenly starts saying she loves hololive every other tweet
No matter how much she says it I'll never believe her. It's so painfully obvious how forced and unnatural her saying this all the time and only cuckbeats would believe she genuinely means it, just like they'd believe whatever the fuck else she says.

No she allready Builds a Brand Outside of hololive…

>>21649562
Not a deadbeat, or at least not a hardcore one, but while I don't think Mori "Loves" Hololive as a whole, I think she recognizes and appreciates the opportunities that it gave to her, as well as the friends, contacts and experiences she's made while being in it. I don't think it's a lie on her saying that being a year in Hololive likely made her be more productive in one year than what she's been in her entire life.

She doesn't have to be forced to love it, there's probably a ton of stuff that happens in the background that kills a good chunk of that love, but recognizing on the ridiculously lucky position she's in and how hard she's worked to prove that she recognizes that makes me appreciate her as a Hololive EN member... regardless of how many people tell themselves otherwise.

>>21652673
Cuckbeat

>>21649562
she loves the money and the brainless simps and whiteknights Hololive gives her.

>>21650969
Her actions speaks louder than words.

>>21650949
needs to lose weight first, can't sex manlets if you're going to crush them on bed

>>21649562
No

>>21650969
>believing empty words
why are zoomers like this

>>21649562
Do you love your job?

>>21649562
She loves her music and her image way more

>>21650969
>Evidence that Mori hates idols and hololive

1. Applied as a joke
2. Hated idols in the past, only changed her mind because a "friend" (aka a transactional business relationship, since it's very evident Mori has no idea what real friendship is) was an idol
3. Has stated she felt like she wasn't cut out for the job and planned to just coast off of it doing the minimal amount of work, until too many donations guilt-tripped her into putting more effort
4. Constantly shills her roommate, suggesting that she wants her HL audience to transition to devilcube audience
5. Rarely, if ever, showed up for important Hololive events. It was a common occurence for the 4 girls to hang out in voice chat watching something while Mori had "better" things to do
6. Constantly forgets her genmates birthdays, or "accidentally" schedules streams over them because looking at the PUBLIC schedule they have is too much effort
7. Stated that Hololive is only 5% of her day
8. Defended someone who shittalked hololive and vtubers in general
9. Complained about how "horrible" her job is, and how her fanbase is full of assholes, on her roommate account

>Evidence that Mori cares about hololive and doesn't hate idols

1. "She said so lol."

>>21655064
your pasta is out of date, having many things disapproved now. Put some effort in

>>21655307
Learn English, you disgusting brown creature

>>21649562
no

>>21649562
No and you are a retard for thinking she does

>>21649562
She loves money and attention

No, and let me post 5 pages of out of context quotes and jokes that I took seriously to prove it!!!

yes

>>21655928
>Misinterprets the 5% quote
>Tells others to learn English
Lol

Nyoc

Honestly?
No.

She's in it at this point solely to "prove" something to her Antis but it's pretty constant that she resorts to using her unofficial account and that's only going to increase in the future. As more and more pressure builds on her as she keeps trying to manage two life styles at once, she's going to keep making these yabs and giving more attention to the same people she's trying so hard to "prove" something to.

>>21649562
Yes and no. There’s aspects she loves and aspects she hates, she lashes out when she feels like she has to sacrifice some of her personal integrity for the latter, but is too attached to the former to walk away.

>>21649562
She calls it Applebitches on her roommate account.

>>21649562
She loves some things (certain opportunities, certain people and certain parts of the job) but she hates a lot of other things. She is constatly changing adding and shifting stuff from each list and has changed her overall feelings about it several times.
At the very least, she is thankful for hololive, but sometimes it's tinged with resentment.

>>21655064
Wait this is what people use as evidence? When like 90% of it was debunked? Take your Ritalin anon.

>>21649562
She calls her job Applebitches on her roommate account.

>>21649562
I think the biggest thing is she loves Hololive, and loves what her roommate does as well, and having both put 100% of themselves into each thing is just overworking and causing a lot of the problems. Sounds more like a workaholic to keep up with a quota of something they like over not caring about it desu.

She only loves the audience that she can funnel to her roommate account.

>>21673865
Her roommate worked at Applebee's which is how she got to Japan and started up a career, jokingly referring it to a job you had previously isn't a direct connotation to not liking something. That's just your autism not picking up social queues.

Probably, without Hololive she wouldn't be anywhere near Connor

>>21674038
true deadbeats...

>>21649690
Black troons are mad at her

>>21649562
She loves TT cocks more that's for sure.

>>21674056
>Her roommate worked at Applebee's
Not buying this rrat.

>>21652673
Based

She loved "true deadbeats" and let's just put it at that.

>>21655064
Why is "horrible" in quotations when she never said that?

>>21674056
Exactly, she's the one who wants you to associate Hololive with a previous real-life job she fucking hated and her female co-workers with the word bitches. Glad you picked up on it.

>>21674038
this one

>>21649562

>>21674632
ugly bitch, she's going down after hololive and a few more pounds

>>21674513
She did it one stream because someone else said it when she mentioned she can't bring up her other job in any way because it's against her contract and someone said Applebitches because that's how Mori called it and her roommate ran with it for a couple hours. But you don't care to look into context or full information and prefer to read a sentence of hate and run with it.

>>21674632
Nice doxx because your only honest critique is physical appearance when in reality you're built like a lunch lady.

>>21674763
holofags are turning on her
average twitter user hates her for he annoying presence
her music is a hot pack of ass after 5 years of doing it
hopefully graduation soon and then moving back to amerikkka

>>21674632
eww

>>21674826
Who are you trying to convince exactly, nobody is going to be persuaded by your read of the situation. She chooses to be antagonistic and disrespectful, just because you can bend over backwards and stick your head up your own ass to justify it doesn't change the matter.

Applebee's and Hololive are two different jobs she has had, nobody gives a shit if she calls Applebee's Applebitches but that's what she was calling Hololive.

>>21674986
it's her own fucking mistake for wanting to show her ugly face to the public more and more, not realazing her viewership would absolutely tank once the 3d model goes away and a white bitch named karen is the only one to stay

>>21658958
>>21673752
>debunked
Lmao. Continue to delude yourself, cuckbeats. All of those "debunked" are nothing more than her saying that she "loves" hololive in a member-only stream to gain loyal followers for her othercareer. A bunch of unironical weebs like their Oshi.

>>21675103
I mean, you're not wrong. You can't convince anyone here if the topic is Mori.

>>21655064
Huh this is interesting. I came into this thread to see why Mori antis hated her so much...and it's partially because of a list that's made up of lies? Fascinating.

>>21675248
Cope harder cuckbrap

>>21675214
No you're just so autistic and smooth brained that you believe in everything you see to push an agenda of hate. + your Oshi sucks

>>21675248
The only things that are debatable are qualifying statements like "rarely", "constantly" and "the past" which is why retards cling to those. They don't actually disprove any of the points, but just show how someone can successfully wave them away as acceptable blemishes in overall okay package.

>>21675329
Schizo anti makes multiple accounts to basically say the same thing but slightly different to post on /vt/.

>>21675329
what video is this?

>>21675329
>everyone who disagrees with me is a deadbeat
Yeah I figured you were gonna go with this response. I don't even give a shit if you guys don't like her. I'm just calling it like I see it.

>>21675329
>Jun 6, 2021
>They are still membered to her
Uhh cope with what? You sound like a parody of a Mori anti. I hope no one is actually taking you seriously

>>21673752
Anon things aren't "debunked" just by her saying they're not true. That's not how information works. Or truth, on either a literal or an epistemological level. Or any of it.
Like if you suck cock daily, but then say you're not a faggot, that doesn't suddenly make you not-a-faggot.

>>21675653
I come here to steal reaction images but seeing schizo antis seethe about a gif and replying to them and seeing them seethe more is funny.

>>21649562
>Does she really love hololive?
do you?

>>21674513
>Hololive is associated with Applebees
>female co-workers are associated with bitches
Is this why she can't work in any collab she's in? Her hatred of her coworkers is just coming out? Feels really bad.

>>21675740
Anon also listing a list of greentext with no clips, videos, evidence, or backing up doesn't make it real either. Also I do suck dick and I am a faggot so there goes that point too.

>>21675570
>i-it's one guy!!
HAHAHAHAHAAHA cuckbeats and their battered wife syndrome man

>>21675770
Yeah sometimes I just come into these threads just to see whatever people are sperging about. Just making a simple statement or posting an image is enough to make some of these schizos crazy mad. You don't even have to take a side most of the time.

>>21675874
>Also I do suck dick and I am a faggot so there goes that point too.
Opinion discarded. Thanks for making it easy

>>21675987
>he wouldn't want to suck his oshi's huge futa cock until she exploded in his mouth with pure ecstasy
Haha gay

>>21675874
You're free to call out which ones you believe aren't true, so people can actually prove them.

>>21676178
NTA but off the top of my head the Connor thing is obviously exaggerated. The 5% thing kinda is too, in a literal sense, but only kinda.
She also has never shilled her roomate. Though well, she obvously DOES want her audience to watch her roomate.

The faster the deadcucks realize that to their Oshi, Hololive is nothing more than just a stepping stone for her to gain traction for her other job, and they themselves are nothing more than a group of ironic weebs, normalfags, and TT fan-anituber watchers, the better. Stop trying to act like their Oshi love hololive, because she isn't. As most, she considers herself fortunate to have such an opportunity to publicize herself, and that is all there is to it. She will gladly defend her other friend and throw Hololive under the bus if that means she can get morePR. The only reason she hasn't done it yet is because Hololiveis still big enough and there is no better opportunity for her yet. Her past and current actions say that much. Even now, she is still sucking the e-celeb cock on her roommate's account. I see absolutely no point for the deadcucks to try and pretend that they "love" Hololive. Just suck it up and own it.

>>21649562
no, but she really loves gura

>>21649562
5%

>>21676441
I feel like most deadbeats have already realized that and think they are willing to follow her wherever. Of course reality will be different once people realize how dependent her content was on Hololive, but we aren't there yet.

>>21676737
As long as they stop posting herr

>>21676425
What Connor said wasn't even wrong either lmao, it's just true for everything whether it's vtubing like Hololive or Nijisanji or really anything in live. Having a famous company tied to your name makes the upstart easier and tends to be more successful than independent people.

>>21676425
>Called in late to Ame's birthday = her not caring
>Before that Ame called in late to Calli's birthday and no one cared or talks about it.

Almost like that's a good example of when she does something it's bad but when others do it it's okay.

>>21676441
Nah, I love Mori and I love Hololive, and watching people like you seethe impotently over that is fun. It's free entertainment!

>>21676425
I disagree with the Connor thing. Saying that any old loser of a streamer would become a hit just because they're in Hololive is VERY insulting to the actually talented people within Hololive. As for 5%, it's her own words, and the original post merely said she stated it was 5% of her day. No "debunking" to be done there.
While she has never directly shilled her roommate, she has taken numerous actions to indirectly do so. Imagery in her songs, collabing with the same person as both herself and her roommate making it impossible for anyone who has ears to not autodoxx her.

>>21677199
If there were two music artists who both never released anything before, both equally as talented, and one signed with Sony Records and they pushed his new single everywhere and paid for advertisements and other people were hyping them up, and the other artist who's by themselves going on YT comments to promote their mixtape. Who do you think would have the most successful launch? It's not about denying talent it's about having an established brand signed to your name makes it easier to get a start.

>>21677445
Except he did not say something like that. He did not say that signing on with a corporation helps talented people find an audience. He said merely being in Hololive allows mediocre streamers to rise to the top, heavily implying there are mediocre streamers in Hololive with unwarranted publicity. Whether or not you think that's true, it is insulting.

>>21676441
Cuckbeatjannie is working fast as always, I see. They fear the truth, after all.

>>21676867
Didn't he say they'd be successful regardless of their own talent after mousey or whoever he was talking to became clearly uncomfortable with the topic yet he kept pushing it? If we're being extremely charitable, he thinks Hololive is easy success without thinking about what that statement implies, but if we're being realistic, he was clearly trying to imply that some hololive vtubers didn't have to work for their success. Not only is that wrong, but it's so unnecessarily provocative and edgy that it's surprising that he didn't get even more backlash. Dumb takes are one thing, but phrasing it so aggressively when it's obvious that everyone knows what he's trying to imply is just downright pathetic.

>>21677552
I mean if you actually watched more than the 30 second clip circulating you'd relaize he did say that.

>>21677199
The 5% thing was always taken out of context. The original post claims that she said that she only spends 5% of her day on Hololive stuff but she was only talking about streaming time (which just means that she sucks at math since she was streaming for more than 5% of her day).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTXgCF-Ezyk&t=9892s

>>21677977
*INHALES*

>>21677880
Feel free to show me the magic context then.

It's what the kids now-a-day call, if I remember correctly, "throwing shade."

>>21676994
Sure thing, dead cuck. Sure thing

>>21677880
>Something like Hololive, it's always instant success
>You don't have to be a good streamer, you will get success because you're part of Hololive
These are direct quotes that I know of. I'm genuinely curious, is there really more context that can salvage this?

I don't mike Mori because she wouldn't RP with Kiara

>>21678357
>Actual unironic cope
Jesas...

>>21676969
You sure you replied to the right post?
But regardless, in Mori's case she didn't just call late, she called a whole stream after she was supposed to. After missing the previous year, despite promising repeatedly that it wouldn't happen again. And she only made it because Ame bought her a fuckload of time where she was doing nothing other than waiting for the two people who said they'd call but hadn't made it yet (I'm not sure if we ever found out who the other one was).

>>21678357
Ayayay...

>>21649659
GURAGAMESH

>>21649562
She loves the money, at least. Enough to not graduate and be demongamecube at the same time. If anything, her love for money overrides whatever hatred she has for hololive.

The loathsome True Deadbeat™

Can any anons explain what was so bad about the Gura Mori Phasmo collab? I missed this during my break from watching vtubers. Nowadays I really only watch my oshi but every now and then I find myself curious as to how the rest of them are doing. On a semi-related note, I always thought that besides Gura, HoloEN doesn't seem to have any respect for Hololive, its origin, idols, or any otaku culture for that matter as a whole. Akin to that normie westernized and almost ethnocentric view on it.

>>21674370
She's talked about it on stream. You know, those things you don't watch

>>21676607
>the only member she "loves" is the only one bigger than her
RMYT

>>21679755
the first 25 minutes of it were a tech shambles trying to get cuphead working that they hadn't tested at all even after she'd been told a million times that it would be unplayable japan to US

she took it as a big wake up call and improved her streaming massively since

>>21675874
It's my turn to paste the copypasta, faggots.
Why Mori Calliope is the worst hololive member

>talks about alcohol nonstop to the point where it's one of the only things she sounds genuinely interested in
>applied to hololive as a joke, knowing nothing about vtubers or streaming and only because her friend Milkyqueen was applying too and showed her it, taking her spot in the process
https://youtu.be/tIU0xG-lXkQ?t=2397
>used to heavily bait for superchats in her early days, interrupting collabs to thank red scs "BIG UPS AKASUPA"
>says hololive only takes up 5% of her actual time
https://youtu.be/lBkuqt-xigY
>continuously trying to change hololive by attempting collabs with and mentioning anime youtubers and random men
>always late to collabs and never sets up properly
>according to kiara has overslept multiple collabs, causing them to be cancelled or rescheduled
>barely talked during 2 hour clubhouse 51 collab with Kiara, to the point where Kiara had to use the weather deck to get her to talk at all
>made nothing but grunts and 1-3 word replies during shadowverse collab with kiara
>straight up said "no" when kiara asked if she had seen her new MV
https://youtu.be/nvZcIGnCSrs?t=12222
>lied to kiaras face about loving her king cover (which was a rickroll joke) saying she "listened to it all the time"
https://streamable.com/t2985s
>didn't properly setup for lethal league with ina, played and talked with fans while ina sat and watched
>acted like a bitch once the punishments game for puyo puyo tetris came up, refused to do any of them
>spoils outfits on twitter for first smol collab, does nothing for the jeopardy rounds and slams her keyboard for it
>blabs about alcohol before even introducing herself during a collab with Reine, an Indonesian who isn't allowed to drink
https://youtu.be/VX1hxP-Tmiw?t=342
https://youtu.be/VX1hxP-Tmiw?t=394
>possibly corrupting irys as she mentioned they've met a few times to drink tea
>makes myth wait almost half an hour in the ender dragon fight collab because she got lost looking for wood because she didn't prepare, then makes them lose diamond armor because she jumped into the void in the end
https://youtu.be/BwL9-tqLF3I?t=4641
>didn't call in for Ame's first birthday, called in at the very last minute for her second birthday sounding drunk with a shitty rap
https://youtu.be/tMwKQniur0k
>constantly talks to her collab partners like they're mentally challenged children
>simps over Rikka on and off stream nonstop, they collab on Super Bunny Man and Mori can barely hold a convo in Japanese, forcing Rikka to use his terrible English
>completely ruins highly anticipated first EN meme review with Coco by being nothing but her "dorky rapper" character instead of making any good conversation or jokes, to the point where Coco asks "are you okay? you're acting like a crackhead" and "is she always like this?" to 75k viewers
https://youtu.be/YTTnA4MQkg0?t=2435
https://youtu.be/YTTnA4MQkg0?t=1121
>woke gura up early on a day she planned to stream, wastes everyones time because she only then learned the game they were gonna play is local only, makes them switch to ANOTHER local only game, didn't install the final proper game between the time elapsed switching previous games, then makes sleepy Gura wait another half hour only for their gameplay to be fucked by seconds long delay, then finally settling on Phasmophobia, disables comments afterwards
https://youtu.be/sbo8zS8otzQ
>caused 6 month anniversary Don't Starve myth collab to be delayed by 30 mins
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1370508896150818817
>fell asleep on stream during very first myth Minecraft collab
https://youtu.be/NS3_sNTwIRw?t=10427
>told Gura during a collab that someone said her "booty stank" while working at a restaurant
https://youtu.be/WhM27pQZ_2E

>>21680338
The Trash Taste drama gets its own section, as it is the longest running problem with Mori and the sole reason this post exists

>Mori collabs with Trash Taste
https://youtu.be/tIU0xG-lXkQ
https://youtu.be/h5QspNrKphM
>guy from TT, Connor, says on Ironmouse's stream that people in hololive are popular not because of their talent but because of the brand
https://files.catbox.moe/91mnvk.MP4
>time passes, Mori mentions TT a significant amount the last few months
>a longtime member in Moris member stream says she shouldn't associate with them
https://files.catbox.moe/lfcm82.png
>Mori insults her members and lies that Connor personally apologised to every holoEN member
https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4
>"we speak to each other quite a bit, um, as friends", laughing nervously after
>someone asks Kiara about this, Kiara says she isn't in contact with anyone from Trash Taste
https://streamable.com/5a8uq2
>Mori then donates 50 subs to Connor on her new Twitch account
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-cR-f8TlM
>someone superchats "condom money for Connor"
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/iJvbxzGh_a4.html
>Mori announces that she won't read superchats anymore without management reading them first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTissHo0AM
>keeps talking about the drama on stream
>Mori announces that she will be streaming on twitch semi-regularly from now on
>deadbeats in her comment section are upset about all of this
>everyone moves on
>days later she suddenly replies to and compliments a 6 day old Twitter post from a dedicated anti account of an MSpaint edit of her getting fucked by Connor, while her fans watch crying, insinuating her fans are cucks
http://web.archive.org/web/20220123054143/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485121754624593924
>Redditors notice this and post it to the hololive subreddit
>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/htukq15/
https://files.catbox.moe/lxuexz.png
>she gets downvoted and they shame her for her actions
>someone asks why she did it, she admits she's drunk
https://files.catbox.moe/z2z0mm.jpeg
>deletes everything, apologises on twitter, announces break but then says she's high on lean on her corporate, public twitter account, and then tries to damage control by saying she didn't know what it meant
https://web.archive.org/web/20220124193835/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485136066008944640
>later, begins collabing with holo members again but it's painfully clear she isn't interested and is faking her enthusiasm, the entire terraria stream is an example
https://youtu.be/8ZiNmfUCEt4
>goes out of her way to put "with my FRIENDS" on her Terraria collab, and again "ft FRIENDS" in the title of Surgeon Simulator collab, when she's never done so
https://files.catbox.moe/minblk.jpeg
https://files.catbox.moe/u1ufzu.jpeg
>still won't stop mentioning TT
https://youtu.be/Zm_Q5yLdgas

In conclusion, Calliope Mori is a terrible influence on hololive and should graduate immediately. She has proven time and time again that she does not care about her position as a vtuber.

>>21649562
Isn't she the only Holo whose roommate activities actually increased instead of decreased or stayed the same after joining Hololive?

>>21676867
Are people legit still on that?

All the man said was Hololive brand gives a leg up. That's factually true. Most of their talent get 100-200k subs before they even debut. That comes for free, with literally zero effort on their part.

Sure, they have to back it up to grow much beyond that, and they have to beat out a lot of competition to get in in the first place.

But -- Exposure multiplies on itself. Once you have a baseline to work from, your followers like and retweet your announcements, they subscribe to your channel and like and comment on your videos and do all those things that count as "engagement" to the various algorithms that determine when something is "trending", and thus show your channel to even more people's feeds, who do the same. And so on and so on.

Starting before your debut at a point that very successful indie vtubers, if they're extremely lucky, will reach in a year is a HUGE leg up. Connor was 100% correct.

At this point, 90% of indie vtuber's whole purpose for existing is to create a body of work they can use to apply to Hololive.

>>21680627
no

she has released nearly 50 songs as mori, 5 as roommate, one of which was in production before they even debuted.

don't ever take anything you hear about mori as truth on vt unless you look up the evidence yourself

>>21680535
you have false information thrown it with the rest

>>21680800
>All the man said was Hololive brand gives a leg up.
"It's almost instant success. You don't have to be a good streamer, you will get success, right? Because you're part of Hololive."

>>21680800
>All the man said was Hololive brand gives a leg up.
Post proof. All I have seen the clip where he says it's instant success and that they don't even have to be a good streamer.

>>21679755
Kiara is literally an idol reject, she is more into idol culture than a single EN fan. It just so happens she's also an entitled white bitch with stupid opinions but she is the EN with the most justification for actually being in Hololive. Ina is also a big otaku, she's just not a good streamer. Irys is a hafu and maybe not a perfect fit for Hololive specifically but she's only really brought down by the fact all her company friends are the wrong ones. Others like Bae are big into idol culture but probably should have been disqualified from actually joining as they are better fans of idols than idols themselves. I'm not sure why you'd pick Gura out. She seems the most professional overall but not the biggest into the actual culture.

>>21680886
this pasta has been posted over 100 times here and in every time there's someone who calls them out but no one cares. I just hate seeing the Mori threads because it clogs everything else up. Who cares.

>>21680880
You didn't actually reply to what he said at all, he didn't say anything about her proportion of activities, he said her activities overall.

>>21680933
Again, is he wrong?

I'd be a terrible streamer. I'm not even attempting to be one.

But give me a live2d model made by a professional artists, promo videos, boost me through hololive channel. Have the existing talents talk about my impending debut and how excited they are to see it. Hand me a twitter account that might even get banned because it grows so fast the algorithm suspects bots...

Even if I fizzle out after a month or two when people saw my streams weren't great, during that month I was active, I would have had more success than nearly every talent who put their all into it.

He never said any of the ones they have were not talented. But he's correct, you don't need to be a good streamer. It's instant success.

>>21681413
okay why aren't the stars successful?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST FUCK OFF TO ONE THREAD ALREADY YOU FUCKING SCHIZOPHRENICS WE DON'T NEED 9 OF THESE

>>21681413
Yeah, but you wouldn't have passed auditions.
If you start working as a dev at Google, nobody is going to say you don't have to be smart and that you only have a six figure salary because you're working at Google.

>>21681413
If you take his comment in context then it was commentary on Council which was debuting at the time and in the end you can say he was prophetic in some sense but he was talking out of his ass at the time as Council are the only gen that have ever really backed up his claim and even that is debatable. Several of them are getting surpassed by their more talented counterparts in HoloX who came later and actually worked for their status.

>>21680338
Holy fuck I really wasted my time looking through all this only to come to the conclusion whoever wrote this and believes this is autistic and has no friends and doesn't understand sarcasm, dynamics between members, and thinks they know how every member feels about each other solely by clips. Get help.

>>21680338
>>caused 6 month anniversary Don't Starve myth collab to be delayed by 30 mins
>https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1370508896150818817

Ina tweeted there might be a delay, there's no talk about anyone being late or what the delay is, brainlet automatically assumes delay = Mori fault, add it to the list.

>>21681278
what does this even mean

she's done 2 roommate streams, and apart from that her entire output has been 5 songs and a handful of tweets and a couple of live shows, vs pre-hololive putting out 4 albums worth of music and a ton of music videos while touring japan frequently.

just an incredible fucking moronic post you have made. sorry

>>21682193
The most braindead take I've ever seen on here was someone saying "If Mori actually cared about Hololive she'd refer to it as a 5 star restaurant than appleshit". Jokes flying over heads.

>>21681413
>>21680800
At first I doubted it when people said TT would be a bad influence because I thought how much of an impact could they really have, but this literal copium for the sake of shitting on Hololive. At first it's "all he said was X and he's right about it". Then it's "Ok, maybe he said Y, but he's still right".
And best of all is that he's quite clearly wrong. You can be part of Hololive and still fail. Hololive can help you out, but ultimately your talent is what matters and this is 100% not what he said. He clearly meant that your talent is irrelevant, Hololive will carry you 100% He didn't say shit about getting a leg up or whatever, he was talking about how your overall career is easy peasy simply because you're part of Hololive, even if you suck and that is definitely a wrong, dumb and insulting take.

>>21681173
Fair point. I can definitely see it from Ina and Bae thinking about it more. Kiara is truly a strange case though, no?

>>21678931
Who's ever brilliant, then?

>>21682359
Strange in what sense? You probably don't know it since you don't watch her but she talks about idolshit a lot. It's not a secret that she's the most into idols, she'll talk your ear off whenever it comes up.

>>21681690
That's what the topic was actually about though. It was about lying on your resume, since once you make it you're set and it doesn't matter. He used Hololive as an example since Ironmouse is a vtuber.

>>21681690
Ironically, when he said that, it was because he and Ironmouse were talking about lying on job applications.

He wasn't referencing anyone in Hololive being talentless. All he said was that ANYONE - even a bad streamer - that ended up in Hololive (not that they WOULD - just if they did) would have instant success.

And he is correct. They may not keep that success, but their starting line is most vtubers' long-term goal.

>>21682806
And yet it's still wrong because Hololive is not instant success, unless you define success as your debut stream only, and disregard dropping numbers that would certainly happen if you suck as a streamer.

>>21649562
Maybe, but she def loves me

>>21682806
But several of Holo's graduations were exactly people right at the start so if you truly lied and were completely unqualified, it stands to reason they could just graduate you. Unless the claim is even someone like Aloe already had more success than any indie solely from her time with Hololive.

>>21682595
Strange in the sense that after she got rejected, she still pursued an outlet to be an idol. From what I understand, her experience with it wasn't very pleasant so I would assume she wouldn't be fond of idols. It is as you said though, I never really watched her all that much. I honestly thought she was pretty cringe.

>>21682806
Lying on your resume is kinda hard isn't it?
Since everything they would hire you based on would be by definition on the internet and easily accessible

>>21683057
I don't think you understand just how privileged Hololive is, or how shitty the situation is for the average streamer. Hololive is instant success compared to literally anything else. Fucking SANA is in the 1% of all streamers.

>>21683097
She probably has a persecution complex about her own life in particular (although she seems to have matured through that most of the time) but her love of idols never stopped. She is a massive idol otaku that tried to be an idol, her friends are still idols and it's a massive part of her life. Her disillusionment/dissatisfaction would be with the industry not the culture, just like she complains about Hololive management but is one of the biggest supporters of Holomems.

>>21683097
Well, for starters part of why her experience being an Idol was bad is BECAUSE she was a reject. She was a D-lister so of course shit was tough, doesn't seem like it made her resent idol culture as a whole.
And Hololive isn't exactly being an idol, and she's said as much herself. She basically likes being loved and appreciated by an audience, most of what her dreams have been, what she's thought of doing, and what she's actually done (aside from jobs to pay the rent) have been in line with that. Until recently at any rate, most recently she talked (as Kiara, this isn't roomate talk you faggot-ass jannies) about wanting to just live easy by being a land owner in the future (but also do art as a hobby/side-job).

Hmmm I wonder why Mousey wanted to change the topic so badly. Could it be because it was really obvious that Connor was unnecessarily trying to start shit with a clearly intentionally provocative statement that is meant to undermine other people's success? Who knows.

>>21683145
And the sort of people that good at scamming exist all over platforms like youtube and do far better than Hololive would allow them to.

>>21683158
>Fucking SANA is in the 1% of all streamers.
Deserved.

>>21677977
Oh no no no schizobros someone posted the actual timestamp of what she said. How do we twist this so people believe our narrative again? Or do we go back to the usual plan of ignoring it and praying someone doesn't post it again the next time 5% is brought up?

>>21674056
>social queues
It is, unironically, only ESL third-worlders that defend her.

If she doesn't then why hasn't she graduated already?

https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1510310956538105856

"Biggest announcement in my career" Is she graduating?

>>21651703
>It's so painfully obvious how forced and unnatural
You understand this is a character right? Yeah there's a person behind, but ultimately this is a fictional character and you're going to talk about forced and believability?

>>21689750
No because i want that to happen so it won't

>>21690031
Well yeah. Every "streamer" is a character, in the sense that it's a persona. But it's not like they have a script or anything, people naturally expect them to be relaviely genuine. There's a reason why holos themselves, Mori included, worry about being seen as "fake". Mori has even tried to dispel rrats in her fucking roomate account ffs.

>>21690031
A fictional character at least needs good acting. Having Mori force herself to talk at the most fake sounding high pitch whenever she needs to bring up how much FUN she is having with her FRIENDS and how FUN they are having because they are FRIENDS is just painful to watch.

>>21649562
No
But then again, neither does Ina, sana, gura or kronii.

>>21691235
>doesn't watch Gura
>knows literally nothing about Ina
I'll give you Sana and Kronii though.

>>21691235
>neither does Ina
fucking lol

She loves the clout and the rub Hololive gives to her roommate's shitty rapper career.

>>21649562
Not really...

she loves:
- the money that her cuckbrap fans fork over in droves
- the clout that comes with being a 2mil subs vtuber from the most popular agency, that opened a lot of doors for her... especially for her favorite twitchnigger eceleb cliques, who previously wouldn't have looked at her once when she was just a random ngmi bedroom "artist"
- the opportunity and "stage" (both metaphorical in the reach of the Hololive platform, and literally in the case of Holofes) for her to broadcast her cringe wigger rap shit to millions of people and have her "artistry" validated and adored

Of course, all this comes with enough hooks and asterisks that manifest themselves in her occasional (constant) bouts of retardation episodes. For example, for all the "love" she has for her fans' money, that shouldn't be confused with actual "love for her fans", and especially not when those fans get "uppity entitled" and dare to inconvenience her in any way with odious demands such as not to suck dick of odious eceleb scum when those are her actual "friends" (not Holo coworker "FRIENDS!"). Same with the company overall, she doesn't love Hololive, she may loves the benefits it brings, but as soon as she has to bear any of their usual expectations or restrictions, she chafes and vents like the entitled bitch she is. You could say she wants to have her cake and eat it to, and you'd be right, but little miss triple-chinned shrek lookalike should lay of the cakes anyway.

But she's the only one who has the chance of getting into a drunken rant post-graduation and revealing all of hololive's secrets.
We need her.

>>21692188
Mori hands wrote this.

>>21692214
Who do you think is behind the scenes feeding the TTfags all their shit takes about the vtubing industry on their podcast?
They hang out often enough to drink together that there must have been no shortage of indiscret bitching from K*ren. And if (when) she finally ditches, you can bet your ass there's soon gonna be a juicy special podcast episode where "ex-Vtuber EXPOSES the dark side of the industry" or whatever, featuring totally unrelated guest Satansquares

>>21692534
DemonicCubicle is likely to get her ass sued by talking out of line and breaching contract after graduation, because I'm 90% sure she didn't fully read the contract, 120% sure she wouldn't understand legal language even if she did, and 500% confident that she did not consult a lawyer.

I love my silly musician mori!

>>21675740
Those things are "debunked" by watching the clips they are lifted from.

Why does Haato have more distracks than Calli?

>>21692720
Cuckbeat deflection.

>>21692795
Why are there half a dozen Holos that mog Mori in rapping? If fans reflect their oshi, why are Watamates the best rappers even when their oshi has only done like 2 raps? How has Mori gotten away with the audacity of her sheer caucasity which only gets bigger every time she pretends to be a nigger? These and many more are questions that science has yet to answer, anon.
kys cuckbeat janny, Mori will never have sex with you

>>21693129
What makes a rap good and how do you quantify it?

>>21690031
>Its part of her character to be apathetic and not care about her job or genmates at all.
The ultimate cuckbeat cope.

>>21649660
It's funny how you can openly shit on Mori on twitter but doing it on fucking 4chan gets you banned.

>>21693539
they do it for free anon... they do it for free...

>>21693431
it really is. as much as I'm sick of your choice of lingo, it's absolutely what's going on in the post you're replying to.
"n-no you don't understand she's just PRETENDING!" is such a pathetic attempt at convincing oneself the problem isn't there, it's not even funny. it's just sad.

>>21693539
Exactly my point instead of just spamming here and being in an echo chamber go to twitter and actually tell her what you think. She replies to almost everyone like an autist lol

>>21693273
is this a genuine question or are you going to turn around and say all rap is shit

>>21694482
why do i bother asking when i already know the answer

>>21692699
shes not a musician

>>21693563
Oh no no no no no no, they do it for FREE?

>>21649562
She does now that she's raking in millions of cash and fame that she would have never even dreamed of before. As much as /vt/ wants her to graduate, at this point it's virtually impossible, she surpassed fucking Pekora as the 2nd most subscribed vtuber and with Cover's resources she can pump out music endlessly. And Mori is a woman able to take a lot of punishment, so a few schizos /here/ demanding for her graduation would be nothing, you need a full organised massive state-sponsored force like what happened to Coco to force her out.

Honestly she should have switched places with IRyS as HoloEN VSinger. IRyS is a better streamer/gamer while Mori can just work 24/7 manufacturing music for Cover like a conventional idol.

>>21693651
I want to argue with anons, not Mori.

>>21696866
>Mori
>Idol

>>21649562
ITT: People who don't watch mori and only knows her through /vt/ bait threads.

>>21649562
Yes, very much

>>21676624
stop rrating, antinigger. it's 10%

No.

>>21699119
Just ban her from collabing with TT and use her primarily as a music manufactorium

We're in a time loop. How many times have we gone in a loop?

No, because
>Out of all members in HololiveEN, possibly the entire company, she has the most active roommate account by a large margin having concerts and appearances on high-profile events
>Out of all HololiveEN members she has dropped the most rm hints, directly referencing symbolism of her roommate account in music, tweets, verbally, in drawn Images etc.
>she has also, on her Hololive account, mentioned her roommate account directly Verbally
>she and her roommate have both appeared multiple times on Trash Taste, one of the largest Podcast on YouTube
>on her roommate account, she doesn’t have to share her donations with cover, so she earns a larger income percentage
>so when accounting for this and her constant shilling of her roommate the following thesis seems plausible:
>she is leeching viewers and income off of Hololive (and therefore indirectly your oshi btw) in an unprecedented manner

What I don't get is why she didn't just get a model for her roommate. She could've designed it herself and I'm certain her VSJ connections could have gotten her a good rigger easily. She was already a character as her roommate, and debuting would have gathered clout. She could've even showed up on the TT podcast doing the same thing they did for Mori.

It's the obvious thing to do, and yet she just showed up uglier than ever. Does she hate vtubers as a whole?

>89 ips
Why are you niggers like this

>>21700600
>People made more than one post in this thread, I must point it out
Why are you like this?

>>21653354
there pictures from like 2 years ago where she was really thin

Obviously since joining hololive shes taken to sitting on her ass a lot more doing nothing and eating a lot of rice and noodles.

>>21700537
It's not even that these points are arguable (people just argue over the interpretation, as in "does this mean she hates or loves Hololive?"), and even her most hardcore deadbeat defenders agree that what she is doing is good and cool, actually, because Hololive sucks anyway and she's much better off on her own, fuck the company (and they're all doxxbeats overlapping heavily with her rm fans anyway, so it's a mutually reinforced sentiment).

>>21700571
She didn't really know what vtubers were before applying for Hololive, wasn't familiar with the "culture" at all (and has/had active distaste for some parts of it, like the "idol" aspect), and could only name Coco (so the most entry level EOP friendly holo at the time) as one she watched a little bit of / "inspired" her, prior to joining.
So of course the thought, pre-Hololive, "hey, maybe I should try being an indie vtuber" or whatever, didn't occur to her, because that was never her goal or area interest.
Same as with well then why didn't she at least make up another personal vtuber avatar for her independent rm activities (would be better than having to look at her shrek face)? She ultimately wants to be recognized for "herself" (that's why she's the most blatant about funneling HL people to her rm account), which includes her fat fuckface

>>21701345
That's mostly the reason why she seems so unsatisfied as Mori. SHE wants to be famous for HER work. She doesn't want to hide behind a vtuber model, or a fake name. That's why she ties her real name right onto the end of Twitter handle.
To be clear, I'm not saying that anything of what I just said is wrong, or bad. I can understand wanting yourself to have the fame. It's just what I see happening.

>>21700726
Even those (same few) pictures that doxxbeats liked to parade around (back when they could delude and boast "we have the hottest roommate you guyz, all your other oshis are sooo much uglier haha!") were already heavily cherrypicked and myspace-angled and there were already also other less flattering / more realistic pics that painted a different picture for anyone being objective, but those were dismissed as "d-don't count" or "n-not her!".

Well well, lately deadcucks have been really quiet in that regard, I wonder why. (I don't wonder, as the reason is apparent to anyone who catches a glimpse before the deadcuck janny has to quickly clean his brapper oshi's triple chinned face of the board again in a futile attempt to stop the reality break)

>>21649562
yes, she gonna get 3D concerts nad rtx concerts because of holo

>>21701446
nta but this is the fundamental catch22 of being corpo vtuber, all your creative energy is spent building up someone else's brand. Still, she should just take the money and say her lines unless she really wants to "keep it real" and be a starving artist again.

>>21675329
>I really thought you would've learned your lesson after that shitshow with Gura.
This one line STILL pisses me off. Yeah, that Gura collab was bad. She didn't prepare at all, everything went wrong, it was a total embarrassment, and everybody including management called her out on it. She agrees that she seriously fucked up, privates the stream, and promises to do better. Next stream, she keeps that promise and actually prepares Their response is to shit on her for being more prepared. They're shitting on her BECAUSE she learned her lesson. Yeah, you can say "hurrr she only did it cuz Gigguk", and honestly I wouldn't be too surprised, but jesus FUCK, does 'positive reinforcement' or 'wait and see' mean nothing to these retards?

>>21701446
Hey, I'm even willing to throw her a bone (not that she needs anymore of those) and admit that, yes, from a pure cynical personal business standpoint, what she is doing is probably the most sensible thing in her situation.

Use your time in Hololive to funnel as much of their fans as possible over into your personal ventures, use the clout the platform provides to further your own personal goals (for example an "entry" into the elite twitch eceleb club), so you can maximise your chances at a cushy golden parachute to fall back on / easy transition over when you feel you've had enough of the bullshit corporate vtuber idol gig with all its restrictions etc. and finally jumpstart your personal career.

I don't have to like it from a "is this good for Hololive?" standpoint, but it is certainly the best thing she can do for herself if (when) she doesn't want to do the Hololive thing for life anyway and has other personal aspirations besides it.

after getting mumei now they back to mori...

>>21649562
She definitely has mixed feelings about it but so do the rest of them to varying degrees. Ame's constantly bitching about management and permissions, same with Gura to a lesser extent. 90% of the JPs are phoning it in, too. Most of them love it, but still experience a number of frustrations, which is normal in any job.

>>21701675
She needs to learn to stay in her own lane, or start reading the script to play along. Most of the hate people have for her stems from her sandbagging in collabs. I can't even feel sorry for her like I started with Kiara because she chooses to schedule collabs and then fall asleep during them.

>>21649562
>Implying any of the others love hololive
rumao

>>21700697
It's the resident thread police/janny reject trying to fit in.

>>21701648
Let's be real, consider the actual fanbases these girls are mostly exposed to, 99% uncritical yesmen simps who'll coddle you to death and you can do no wrong in their eyes. When even just 5% of them actually "complain", it's treated as a major yab event, exactly because it's so unusual.

So I don't think these girls are lacking in "positive reinforcements", you can just check their twitter or yt follower comments to see they already for the overwhelming majority get all the praise they could ever get, all the time.
(you can maybe make another argument that because the praise is so prevalent, it doesn't mean anything to the girls anymore, they get used to it, and it's just mindless background noise to them - so the rare criticism just sticks out more. Case in point, Mori's seeming "overreaction" to even the mildest pushback like one joke SC etc.)

>>21700571
>What I don't get is why she didn't just get a model for her roommate.
She wants to be like moistcritikal, being liked as herself. Just like his fans call him Charlie, she wants them to know that she is roommate's name.

>>21701675
anon, she doesn't have enough musical talent to carry herself. She has more than the average person but as far as the indie music scene goes she's only 1 or 2 tiers above bottom feeder. If she leaves Hololive she'll do okay for a while because of fan buff but eventually that'll die down and she'd be back to square one. The wise thing would be to use her current time and money in association with Hololive to make connections and learn from pros so she's not dead in the water when this gig is over. Or just give up being indie and live the life under their brand.

>>21701345
>>21702055
But why? Why does she insist on being "herself" when she's had the character to fall back onto for years, even before Holo? She loves stuff like Gorillaz and is an animator, so being a vtuber sounds like a dream come true for her. She could do so much with it too considering her talents. And her fans both in and out of Holo would love something like that.

It just feels like her "being herself" is just fitting in with the likes of Connor with show their faces all the time. Either that or she's just completely uncreative.

>>21702376
Like I said above, check her Twitter handle on roommate. Yes she has the "Character" but it's a VERY thin veil compared to what she has to do as Mori.

>>21649562
she is like kronii using hololive like a stepping stone

>>21701648
It's because by that point everyone already knew Mori will never give a shit about Hololive, so there is no point in trying to steer her into that direction. They just wanted to vent and tell they really feel about her "suck off every 3D male while acting like a bitch to girls" behavior.

If you just tried positive reinforcement this absolutely retarded fucking brapper would go "oh wow I guess I'll just only do 3D male collabs from now on, they're so much easier and give me better reception!"

>>21649562
Every piece of available evidence points to her hating hololive and vtubing in general. What's especially egregious is her obvious hate of her fans and supporters - the very people that allowed her to become massively successful despite being a talentless hack. She literally hit the jackpot by getting into hololive, yet treats it like a boring chore, even going so far as to refer to it as Applebees - a place she fucking hates.

>>21653965
no, i hate my job. if my job, however, paid me a month's salary every single day despite only working 8 hours a week or less i'd love it more than words could describe. not only that, but i'd have an army of people that would die for me. every door would be open for me and i'd have an abundance of opportunities anywhere i looked.

>>21701648
People are actually more insulted that she puts zero effort in for Holo collabs but puts real effort in with e-celebs. Nobody wants to reinforce that status quo.

>>21702077
It's not about musical talent. She can/will just do the same thing as she did before - outsource the actual music production, beatmaking, mixing etc to professionals who know their stuff, while she just shits out her cringe wigger lyrics on top of it at the end.
As for her being back to "square one" when she leaves Hololive, I doubt it, if we define "square one" as being some no-name starving bedroom artist living in squalor. She will probably siphon off enough of her most dedicated hardcore simps that she will be afforded at least a comfortable middle class lifestyle, even if they may "only" provide a $10k monthly income for example instead of her Hololive $50k income, it's not like she has to go back to minewage shit jobs. Mind you, I don't say this because I have a particularly high opinion of her and think she's sooo amazing, it's rather that I have a low opinion of her fans and the other high profile Hololive graduations have shown there are enough sad mindbroken cucks who will follow and provide for you everywhere that you're always gonna be above poverty at least.
And it's not like she would rely only on her music either. If, like many speculate her other actual long term goal is, she uses her Hololive clout wisely to build connections and establishes herself enough as a rl streamer and ingratiates herself with the right eceleb cliques, she can coast off doing the same lazy react content twitch thing like her idol charlie etc for as long as that's the meta.

>>21702376
>It just feels like her "being herself" is just fitting in with the likes of Connor with show their faces all the time. Either that or she's just completely uncreative.
Yes? It's not much more complicated than that. If you can't figure out any better sounding copexcuses, it's most likely because the simplest explanation is the correct one.

>>21704015
She puts so much effort in her TTRPG though

This thread and the takes in it makes me wonder if the schizophrenia jokes are either fake or real

>>21708379
The real schizoposting is thinking that everything you dislike is made by schizophrenics, SEAnigs, and schizophrenic SEAnigs.

>>21697583
Take your meds, schizo.

>>21708733
That shit fucked me up, I'm never taking the meds again.

>>21649562
yeah

>>21649562
I doubt it.

>>21650771
This. If you haven't gauged the cycle yet then there's no hope for you.

>>21702055
The difference is Critikal has been making content for a decade and built his audience on his own while Karen tries to leech clout from Hololive

>>21649562
Yes

>>21732625
You sure?

>>21708254
>b-but the ttrpg!
Nobody cares about ttrpg. One thing out of literally everything else that she doesn't care about doesn't automatically cancel out how little she cares.

>>21732959
Everyone cares about ttrpg. One thing out of literally everything else that she cares about doesn't automatically cancel out how much she cares.

>>21682291
even the lowest "failure" holostar is the 0.1% of streamers, so no

Obviously not.

>>21682280
that's a hilarious joke, calling the job making you millions equivalent to the worst restaurant in america. I guess the joke is that she hates her job?

>>21734051
This is also a braindead take.

>>21700537
>having concerts and appearances on high-profile events
Lmao do deadbeats really?

Yes, obviously.

>>21734200
i think calling your high profile job that gets you more money than 90% of people "applebees" is braindead

>>21735283
Another braindead take. Got any more?

>>21675643
gigguk and mori's shadowverse stream

feeling weird man

>>21700537
>>Out of all members in HololiveEN, possibly the entire company, she has the most active roommate account by a large margin having concerts and appearances on high-profile events
>>Out of all HololiveEN members she has dropped the most rm hints, directly referencing symbolism of her roommate account in music, tweets, verbally, in drawn Images etc.
>>she has also, on her Hololive account, mentioned her roommate account directly Verbally
>>she and her roommate have both appeared multiple times on Trash Taste, one of the largest Podcast on YouTube
>>on her roommate account, she doesn’t have to share her donations with cover, so she earns a larger income percentage
>>so when accounting for this and her constant shilling of her roommate the following thesis seems plausible:
>>she is leeching viewers and income off of Hololive (and therefore indirectly your oshi btw) in an unprecedented manner

categorically untrue unless you know nothing about holoJP (and i know that you don't)
she has never directly referenced anything roommate related a single time as mori, completely made up unless you think acknowledging that she is a human who existed before hololive is a "roommate reference"
on her roommate acc she has streamed 2 times ever and has superchats turned off, you are a fucking know nothing moron. she has never received a single donation to "get a bigger cut of".
her roommate did exactly 1 (sponsored) stream with trash taste (has nothing to do with hololive) and appeared on trash taste as mori literally because of cover and kadokawa being business partners, not sure what this has to do with hating hololive

as for doing concerts, is she just supposed to stop being a performing musician because she got a job as a streamer? even the most addled schizo knows being annoyed about this is absurd, surely?

its so fucking weird seeing ppl be dedicated antis based entirely on shit they read on vt. nothing in this post even comes from the usual clip pickings or actual yabs shes done, this is literally a list entirely conceived only in rrats without a shred of evidence to back any of them up because there is literally hard proof most of it is wrong. how do you even have enough of a mental stack to argue about shit like this when you absolutely, unequivocally know actually nothing about it and don't watch enough streams to have any stake? a complete waste of your human life and time on earth

How dare HE insinuate that Holomems who do literally nothing would get more attention than actually good indies. What an unfounded claim

>>21649562
no?? why else would she put my friends in her titles?
>>21736256
10 words or less please

>>21738776
>why else would she put my friends in her titles?
Is this a joke or are there people here who actually have a problem with this?

>>21703911
But anon, you're not a woman.

>>21738922
I have a problem with liars in general. But I have accepted that hololive will die someday ever since 5% was proven true so you do you

>>21740162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTXgCF-Ezyk&t=9892

>>21649562
No. She's a white girl who's mind will be forever stuck in 2012-2015 Facebook, a moody, bipolar, depressed teenager crying all the time about "muh hard childhood" who was given the world and brought all that past alongside with her.

Hi cali, maybe stop letting literal whos on 4chan live rent free on your mind? You have a who world of antis across the internet on sites you don't know even exists