/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

If you start watching literally ANYTHING else it'll ruin Hololive for you.

>>21651480
no, it's mean you have a cuckoldry fetish

Great thread

>>21651480
No. I watch both, but find myself watching a lot more HoloEN these days.

>>21651480
This sentiment was true in the pre-Luxiem days. Entertainment wise, these girls were mogging HoloEN at every turn and it felt like what Myth/Council "should" have been like. Now it feels like a virtual frat house where you're the 3rd wheel and are forced to watch some random dudes barge into every solo collab yelling twitch memes. It's exhausting.

>>21651480
If you have a scat fetish, and are into chink contents.
Hololive doesn't cover these niches fortunately.

>>21651480
Nah you can easily enjoy both. I jump around between the two companies based on what games they're playing

>>21651480
That was the case during the LazuLight-Obsyida days. I was turning into a Nijifag but after Luxium, naaa thanks. I am not against Male Vtubers but Luxium for me changed Nijisanji, mainky Vox and Mysta.
Ike is the one I watch

Let me remind you retards that YOU will never be with your oshi no matter how delusional you can be.

>>21651480
No. I used to try watching nijien to fill dead hours, but I could never really get into them.

Your naturally going to watch more of the content you enjoy so it depends

>>21652037
Just don't have an oshi ez clap

>>21651480
If you start watching NijiEN
It means you're a fujo, a tranny or a cuck

>>21651580
blatantly false

>>21651480
Not at all.
My entertainment doesn't need overt dick in vag jokes and references constantly to be entertaining.

>>21651580
I'm a twitchfag from 2012 and watching both.
Hololive didn't really change anything for me, they're like in their own bubble but it has its own charm.
NijiEn nowadays it's like im watching your everyday twitch streamer with random collab and emote farming. was ok like months ago.

>I watch these VIRTUAL tubers from other corporation because they're so raw and uncensored duuude
just cut out the middleman and watch 3d twitch thots nijitards

>>21651480
Only if you are a chinese woman or a faggot.

>>21651480
nijiEN was fun for like a few months, then it became increasingly obvious that the girls don't care about being a vtuber. they just want friends and clout.

>>21651480
Non-schizo take: It's true if you prefer their content. Don't fall into tribalposting.

Retarded anti-Holo cope. No, your dumb shit vtuber from wherever is no more special than any one Holo. Doubly so for NijiEN. It's the same shit.

>>21651580
2view and nijicuck cope.

>>21651480
Nah, NijiEN was always just standard stream content with more collab spam, but now it lost the charm of being all girls.

>>21651480
No. There's a lot to like about each group that's very distinct from one another.

People will blame the boys but honestly the new toy smell was already worn off by the time Ethyria came out. A lot of the NijiEn hype was because they were not HoloEn and a lot of people left because the hype died, not because they were worse.

The real distinction is that HoloEn is more professional and NijiEn is more intimate. You're going to be picking who you watch based on that more than anything. HoloEn streams run far smoother than NijiEn streams and have demonstrably higher average quality and polish, but NijiEn streams cover a much wider range and the livers act much more familiar with each other and they're ironically way more GFE/BFE than HoloEn.

i tried watching them a few times. the clips are ok and they have some fun stories occasionally, but actual collab streams sound like any other shitty discord call game session

the guys are all fucking boring, covid is bearable tho

>>21651480
I find it more fun because of the interactions, I used to watch Ame for the autism and Mori for the music, they were fine but I never laughed loudly or really interacted with them. With NijiEN I laughed so fucking much I ran out of air, the unadultered chaos and interactions I had felt like I was genuinely a part of the community without being a piggie bank.

>>21651480
Only if you're gay.

>>21651580
they hated jesus because he told them the truth.

No but seeing what Hololive fans say about Nijisanji made me REALLY not want to go to /hlg/

Didn't use to be that way.
Must be the chink invasion that started the gaslighting.

>>21652719
>Kiki

>>21653251
tbqh there were literally only 3 replies before yours and one of them was completely reasonable so i don't think this really works here

No, if you're a normal person you just watch streams you enjoy but I don't expect that from a 4chan anon

Nah, some people are just weird and prefer college football over NFL

>>21652719
>kiki
off yourself you pedo

>>21651580
This is it.

Not in my case, I started watching Niji last summer and then a few months later when the malefags arrived I lost interest completely. They were fine vshojo-tier streamers but you really do get the sense that they're HoloLive rejects. They have potential but are still lacking the presence and professionalism of the Hololive girls

>>21653344
/hlg/ is legitimately one of the best generals on the board. All the splits from /hlg/ as well as all the Nijisanji generals are fucking insane by comparison.

>>21653460
We love kiki here

Everything NijiEN does feels like they're catching up to HoloEN, and its ironic considering HoloJP copied a lot of ideas of NijiJP

>>21651580
Don't know why you need to sully Nene by using her to shitpost. And no, she's not any better.

nijiEN = hanging out at a party in the corner all by yourself while watching everyone else have fun without you
holoEN = going to a movie or play and watch actors perform for your entertainment

>>21651480
>watching either

I'm gonna be real with you chief: the first four waves of NijiEN were so universally appealing to me I don't think I've really watched any hololive streams since. I still follow the music and concerts because I'm an idolfag but I can't really be bothered to pretend to keep up with any of the streaming anymore.

>>21653908
true vtuber connoisseurs only watch ames, the farting indie

>>21651480
>Oh it's the poor girls that want to collab with men but don't because their fans are stopping them
No I think they're perfectly happy with the money they make to appeal to people that don't want to see them collab with males

>>21651955
>hating the boys

>>21651955
:YEP: I unsubbed to all of em

indies and my 774 inc. girls only now.

I legitimately believe that when the next HoloEn wave comes out a ton of people who jumped to NijiEn are just going to jump back even if the wave is fucking garbage

No one wants to admit that they're mostly driven by hype and don't have any actual tastes in vtubers

>>21651480
>nijiEN viewers brag about how much creativity freedom they have
>ended up doing nothing for april fool's that wasn't low effort
At this point nijis just want to praise the sex jokes the nijigirls can do and how much they put the males on a pedestal

>>21651955
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SIGNED FOR
YOU CONTRARIAN PIECE OF SHIT
ENJOY BEING A KEK

I watched NijiEN before HoloEN but when Council came out HoloEN just became far more entertaining

Honestly I'm just tired of the guys being in every stream they're annoying as shit

Keep coping nijifriends

The only people who say that are literal SEAniggers.
They're both fine in their own ways.

>>21651480
You'll like streamer of both companies, yet you'll find holobronies obnoxious, it's a win win situation

If it's not hololive then it's shit.

>>21654409

>>21653460
Kiki is a pedo? Wtf?

Only reason I stopped regularly watching hololive is not because of the talents but the fans, they're literally the sjw of vtubing,

>>21651480
No, I stopped liking HoloEN after I started watching 2views and realized that it's more fun to be able to actually talk with the streamers. Also the Hololive fans on this board are fucking retards who I got sick of associating with

>>21654749
Good male accessory you just posted there, should've joined holoID for actual success

>>21651480
These are fags who thinks that pee pee poo poo are content

>>21653754
We hate that bitch lol

>>21651480
I started watching Rosemi and membered because I like Yugioh, but she barely streams and she's not very interesting outside of playing games.

>>21653754
>we

>>21651480
Only if you're into NTR.

>>21651580
FPBP

At this point I'll watch literally ANY corpo over Hololive, and that includes VShojo. The only exception is Pekora when she's doing a new playthrough.

>>21651480
maybe for some, but I'm not 15 anymore. I don't need all my entertainment to be edgy or adult

>>21655030
I have no horse in this race but
https://youtu.be/Fo2gcJnK7Nc
t. unityfag

I went back to HoloEn after making a round trip through big corpos, small corpos and indies. I don't participate in chat to start so the appeal was really just the production value and professionalism. A lot of people dislike the closed ecosystem but I like that I can recognize anyone they collab with easily and don't have to follow a lot of stuff to keep up with what's going on.

>>21651480
Not really, just depends on your preference anon. I like both desu, started off mainly watching Holos, and a few Nijis as well, but mainly watch NijiEN nowadays because I find myself having more fun desu.
Still try to catch up on some of my favourite Holos though.

>>21652836
Nijisanji is trying to pander to the parasociality of Twitch and mix it with anime, which is a pretty dangerous game. OTV is a great example of the parasocial-type relationships they're trying to emulate, or any streamer house really.
It's gonna fall like a house of cards at some point, and it will be completely hilarious.

>>21651480
The anon in that posts is a faggot for implying Gura's shitposting redditor era and Ame's literally who era were any better.

>>21654452
reply when your rhombus shark can look in only one direction

>>21655613
Now imagine this but happening in almost every Niji collab and being taken 3x farther.

>>21654956
It's rare to get much personal attention from HoloEN unless you're a good content creator.
Something like Kawaii Project is better for that.

>>21651480
Depends which talent you watch.

>>21651480
I tried giving NijiEN a chance but sadly, they're just not my cup of tea. I don't find any girl entertaining and the collabs just feel soulless to me. The boys are okay but it feels like they're trying way to hard to pander to fujos and it just irks me to see them. I unsubscribed to all of them recently and just watched more Hololive vods and it's been quite peaceful since

>>21654409
you mean mori's "amazing" april's fools bit that she beat like a dead horse?

>>21651480
I dropped HoloEN when LazuLight debuted and still only watch NijiEN. I still watch HoloJP though

>>21651480
All niji enjoyers are cucks. They are trained to become cucks. Thus if you start enjoying Nijis you will enjoy being cucked, and you won't be able to enjoy all the pure and not cucked content from holos.

>open random Niji streamer for the first time
>cute cat girl with a very sweet voice
>"Ohayo! Today I have a speical guest, please welcome Tyrone-kun!
>wtf.wav
>some naruto character with Mike Tyson's poorly photoshopped face appears
>without saying a word he starts railing the girl, superchat is ecstatic, 200 bills start raining at every moan
>random twink faggot appears from the corner and starts masturbating
whoah is this what Niji fans are into? I don't get it but different strokes for different folks I guess.

>>21654886
the fans are truly fucking awful

>>21654886
Just watch JP talents. The language barrier helps keep them out, for now at least.

>>21656260
BASED

>>21654886
>they're literally the sjw of vtubing,
I'd rather tolerate the sjws of vtubing than the literal sjws that comprise half of the niji fandom.

>>21653859
This right here

>>21651480
>screencap a post that blatantly admits they never watched any EN streams and pretended to be a fan of Ame/Gura roommates
/vt/ was a fucking mistake

>>21656882
He did in fact screencap the average nijisanji fan, yes.

>>21654474
I used to watch a cute girl stream on twitch a few years ago. She was almost like a vtuber, very professional, didn't show cleavage to get attention. The most whorish thing she did was write subs names on her board, but she never went out of her way to show off her ass or bend over sexily while she did it, so I thought it was fine. Then she started playing apex and there was this one gay guy who literally screamed a high pitched male scream in my ears every stream. Then she added in some regular not crazy guys, some streamers, and she started talking with them on stream. I didn't mind it but the apex screaming was unbearable. After 3 or 4 days I gave up and never went back. I watched her a lot before, and I occasionally pop in to her stream once in a while but now she is an evil bitch who will bully her viewers sometimes. It's like she made her money, left her sheltered life and became a normal western woman and that's not a good thing.

>>21656584
This. What a ridiculous statement, especially given that thanks to the two male niji-gens, the nijisanji is currently literally being swallowed whole by actual, no joke SJWs.

>>21651480
Nah, I've been switching over once my old indie oshi reincarnated in Lazulight because Ame, Gura and Ina just got too stale for me, but I'll still watch Irys and Fauna every now and then.
So it's only mostly true.

>>21657198
>Gura
>stale

>>21657337
I can only listen to so many schizo tangents before it just gets boring. No idea if she had any fun streams in the last 10 months, but I don't really have any desire to check, either.

>>21651580
Based and true, I Mostly watch .Live and occasional nijis

>>21651480
hololive is like the retard that cheats in games to win and someone still loses to a legit player kek. they automatically win and it makes them complacent. nijiEN has better streamers but gets outnumbered by the sheep drone-like religious brand worshipers hololive has. simple as.

>>21654886
>they're literally the sjw of vtubing
Pffft ahahahahahahahaha

>>21654886
Unironically me

>nijicucks idea of entertainment is le ebin sex jokes xD and "collabs" every stream

If your streamer can't even entertain her stream solo then you need to shut the fuck up and sit down. If I wanted to watch a twitch-style stream I'd just go on twitch for that.

>>21651480
Imaginy watching chuubas based on your own preference and not on corpos they attached to.

I've watched Hololive, Nijisanji and multiple small corpos. Not much Vshojo, never liked them.
The only company I feel myself slowly dropping is Nijisanji because they are too disorganized and have annoying guys so it's all a turnoff.
I'd say small corpo girls are very talented and have a lot of charm, but they're not fundamentally better than Hololive and Hololive has a high production value.
Honestly just watch any girl you like regardless of company. The only exception being Nijisanji, you can't just focus on one member there, if you watch a Nijisanji streamer you are stuck with all of Nijisanji because they crash on each other's streams every day.

Right now I can tell you I follow girls from Hololive, Phase Connect, Kawaii, Prism and a few solo indies too.

Don't limit yourself to corporate vtubers and dont stick to just one company, try as many out as you can.

>>21651955
LOL nijifaggots what is your retort? Or are you all alpha male frat boys that slay puss and dont mind being cuckolded by lazulight

>>21657728
>le ebin sex jokes xD and "collabs" every stream
>>21658464
>if you watch a Nijisanji streamer you are stuck with all of Nijisanji because they crash on each other's streams every day.
What? My niji oshi had ~15 collabs in the last 8 months and she streams almost every day, it's like 200 solo streams. The other one I watch collabs even less. I don't think they ever made sex jokes either.

>>21658464
Zentreya isn't too bad if you watch in small doses of 3 minutes, ignore the sjw shit, and overlook that it might be a guy.

>>21658700
Who are your oshis anon? You are very lucky.

>>21658718
Make me a sandwich

>>21658809
I tried to find the clip but can't, tbf her chat is pretty hilarious and generate a lot of the content.

>>21658718
If by small doses of 3 minutes, you mean 3 minutes of silence when the retarded t2s isn't speaking, sure. No idea how Zen has any viewers with that shit.

>>21658784
Natsume and Rin. It's not that rare, a lot of members just stream solo and collab once a week or less. I don't know where that >Nijisanji members collab every day notion comes from. It's not even a rrat for it to be pushed so consistently when anyone can just open any channel and look at the thumbnails. Of course there are some that are very social but it feels like it's less than half.

>>21651480
Pre-males this was true.

>>21659255
It's just the latest meme HoloEN fans have been pushing as to why Nijisanji is bad. It is based entirely on NijiEN and its not even accurate there. Some of them do a lot of collabs and have other members join on their solo streams quite regularly others do less collabs and never have people join on their solo streams.

>>21659255
Sorry, I forget NijiJP exists.

>>21659255
The Niji are always collabing rrat comes from clippers always posting nijiEN collabs and ignoring their solo stuff.
Source? I'm a holo fag who's never seen any solo Niji shit posted here or by clipfags. Even your yabs always seems to be related to collabs or group chats.

>>21659427
I think its the unicorns pushing that rrat because they're still salty about NijiEN getting males

>>21656260
niggers are living in your head rent free m8
might want to get that checked
like these dubs

>>21659255
welcome to the EOP board. i saw several posts from both sides that seem retarded until you realize they forgot to ad EN to either sides.

>>21656882
It "admits" the opposite if you know how to read.

>>21659762
Conversation is complicated a lot by how NijiEn and NijiJP are actually extremely different. NijiEn is much more of a high quality NijiID than it is a knockoff NijiJP.
Hololive branches are pretty much the same thing except for unavoidable regional differences.

>>21651580
Pretty much this
once you taste unrestricted talented people HoloEN feels lacking, HoloJP still have more autonomy so the Soul still somewhat free there

>>21651955
This anon speaks the truth, no matter how much the current pack of immigrants infesting /nijiEN/ today wail and howl over it. This is pretty much what I feel as somebody who was there for Lazulight's debut and membered the instant it was available.

I don't know man. Feels a bit like OG Lazulight fans got used up, and now that we're not needed we got shown the door with the usual playbook of 'incel/crazy/it's creepy to care about your hobbies' that gets used to shut down internet arguments these days.

Anyway, whatever. I unsubbed and unmembered. Zero point crying over spilt milk.

>>21653567
>professionalism of the Hololive girls
only Kiara have professionalism and even she slips in heat moments
What hololive have is tighter restrictions
People forgets what was Gura's content before holoEN
don't know how much "nig" Calli used to say on twitter
Ame was pretty much the same but without PG-13 filter

>>21651580
first post best fucking post

>>21660161
you can say nigger on here
you spastic retard

>>21659867
Very few unrestricted vtubers actually use their freedom to do anything unique. The amount of indies that descend into react content or backlog gaming is massive, and most western corporates just operate as the same indies with a budget.

HoloEN is loaded with limitations but they put out more unique streams any given month than any of the other Western groups right now. I have no idea how people are calling them an untalented or uncreative group with the bar set so low. Selen's the only Nijisanji putting an effort out right now since Pomu quit her job and cut back on her unique solo streams, Tsunderia's latest generation is probably the only group that's competing on musical production, and VShojo's at best the fastest to catch trends and capitalize on them.

>>21660161
>don't know how much "nig" Calli used to say on twitter
This is based, though. Likewise when she gets drunk and catches herself going 'nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn-' before changing the subject. Mori love.

Haato is pretty unrestricted.

>>21660284
Hey don't be a nigger to that retard

>>21660393
sorry man, the lean hit me to hard

I wouldn't say that I replaced HoloEN with NijiEN though I do watch both, but rather that I replaced HoloEN with HoloJP. Most of HoloEN stream too late for me to catch live unless I'm up all night with the exception of Ina and Kiara, with Fauna and Ame occasionally streaming at a good time but I'm not really interested in those two. I'd honestly watch more Bae and Irys if they streamed at a more friendly time for me, but there's no helping it.

HoloJP on the other hand streams mainly in the late morning to afternoon for me so I'm usually able to watch most if not all of the streams of those I follow. NijiEN also has streams at a reasonable time for me (though this isn't really consistent or constant; one day I can watch a Selen stream live, the next day or two she might stream at 3:00am). Because of this I usually stick with the one to three HoloENs that I can watch live and ignore most of the others in favor of HoloJP the occasional NijiEN and some Indies/smaller corpos.

Thanks for reading my blog.

>>21660161
>don't know how much "nig" Calli used to say on twitter

imagine trying to make twitter sjw bait a thing on /vt/. seafriends need to go back to their facebook safespace.

>>21651480
Smaller companies like Phase ruined both Hololive and Niji for me. Hololive is fake as fuck and people like Mori have openly stated it's all an act.
Niji is a frat house experience and perpetually ruined by members of the opposite sex mingling with eachother always.

I personally love the Phase Connect x Tsunderia x Prism Project Minecraft server because it feels like a giant collab. Give their Minecraft videos a chance if you're tired of HoloEN or NijiEN.

>>21660775
>minecraft
thanks, I'll make sure to not watch any of them.

>>21660284
>>21660642
You absolute retarded faggots
"nig" was the way the bitch typed on her twitter that /vt/ schizos digged up
not nigger nor nigga just NIG

>>21660135
It's still kinda fucked that they started with 3 females only gens just to grab the Hololive audience and do a bait-and-switch afterwards. Like why couldn't they debut the males earlier?

>>21660329
>Limitations breeds creativity
was always the truest shit in entertainment
vtubing is not different

>>21660828
Minecraft should be seen as not a game but an excuse to get people together. That's what it's always been. Who the fuck plays Minecraft seriously?

>>21661077
calm down nigger, i don't give a shit about retarded twitter drama

>>21661207
okay that's fair, since I don't watch them I thought you meant they were literally playing it.

>>21651580
/thread

>>21653754
My hatred for her far outweighs any love I have for her UUOOHH avatar

>>21659789
That would imply holofags knows how to engage with anything that requires a minimum of brain activity.

>>21651480
Watching anything else but HoloEN will ruin HoloEN for you. Oh wow>>21651580 already said it.

NijiEN energy + Colabs kinda killed Hololive mood for me. I still have subs to a few HoloEN but i can't watch a bunch of them anymore, no more Ina no more Ame. I like Kronii and Mumei when they are together and I'll watch Mumei sing. Bae is kinda cute when nothing else is on.

But i never have more fun watching a solo stream than I do with Enna, Millie with the right game, Elira, Rosemi, Pomu, Nina, Petra study stream or playing Piano is really good or in a colab, Selen is my absolutely favorite though. I don't watch any of the males on their own but I love a colab between them and the girls every now and then. Vox with Selen in OW was great, and I like him and Reimu.

>>21660161
I realize you're retarded so I'm replying less to you and more to the people reading your post. There are reasons behind all of those things that have to do with the girls themselves, not the theoretical hololive cage restricting their actions like you morons keep thinking. As far as Mori goes, that has nothing to do with hololive and everything to do with her having been just next to a literal who. You can get away with anything if you're a nobody doing a subgenre of a subgenre of music in a country where no one cares about the main genre on top of that, but when you make it big people start digging for dirt.

>>21651480
Nope.

>>21651480
Don't care for Nijis like Finana and other coomer types in the slightest but yeah, at least with NijiEN it has had more of a genuine friend feeling to me compared to HoloEN. Purple laughing dragon for example is great for being friendly and making a fun stream in collabs

The posting meta of this board has gotten so fucking bizarre.

>>21651480
Maybe back when it was only Lazulight and Obsydia but now feels like watching a VIP Discord server. "Collabs" dont exist, hanging with others its the natural order. The fanbase, sadly the livers too, expect from you to keep up with everyone, which is honestly tiring. So if you only care for a third of them your opinion is discarded in their general but whats worse is that you grow distant of that small group you liked too as they start to refence and behave like the other mayor group you dont care for.

>>21651580
Pretty much. On the other hand even from clips you can see a stark difference in how entertaining their members are from EN and JP.
>You just want us to watch yo-
No, stay with Holo EN, many times Holo EN defects have proven themselves as schizo posters and continually attack whatever they watch. I'm sick of their schizo break downs when it spreads beyond Holo EN threads.

No, you become an idort and have more to watch.

No it just happens naturally when you watch so many vtubers you realize they could easily be replaced by any of them from the basic ass personality.
You know how many indie rappers and artists there are in the world. The truth is that once you’ve watched many, it’s all boring.
So then you fuck off from the English scene and end up watching Japanese men and realize “fuck this is better in every way”. Plus the fact they’re a superior sex actually makes them coherent and understandable and not retarded.

>>21651480
I tried them out in their early days, Enna's music is really nice for example but the streams just kinda suck, I enjoy actual 2view content more even if I can't understand it because I can feel the sould and passion there together with really warm atmosphere and if I want high quality chuubas I can just go to hololive
NijiEN just doesn't have anything like this
Tho I do follow few non-EN nijis, mostly for music but still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuH6ubmKHyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuH6ubmKHyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuH6ubmKHyg

>>21651580
If I wanted to watch Twitch shit, I would've watched it at any point in the past five years

>>21653381
oh fuck i completely forgot to ask her to pay me thanks for the reminder

>>21651580
This only applies to holoEN, JP is still good

>>21651480
>didn't give a fuck about non-hololive vtubers
>Council debuts
>is shit
>utterly utterly shit
>Start watching indies
>Milkyqueen is based
>Vshojo has a low shitter ratio if you aren't a seiso idolfag or a unicorn

>>21651480
Funny. It did a reverse effect on me. Luxiem and noctis shit kills the hype and my attention for the girls.

>>21651480
it's true if you think amy schumer is the greatest comedian of all time and like being NTR'd.

>>21661897
>NijiEN energy
have they developed anything beyond DUDE SEX LMAO yet?

Yeah basically.
When I'm not watching NijiEN, I go watch Tsunderia and Prism.

I only watch Hololive and 2views. Hololive is big enough talents can get away with whatever the fuck they want and still won't financially jeopardize themselves if they choose to do something non-meta.
2views aren't going to make money anyway so they do whatever the fuck they want.
"mid range" vtubers will always chase numbers and thus design their content on what potentially will have mass appeal, and their chat speed isn't slow enough that you can have an engaging conversation with the vtuber. I don't know what's up with NijiEN's chat culture and why is it fast as fuck despite their comparative CCV.

As for small corpos, I only watch the ones who aren't groomerbait. Orla from Tsunderia is a blast to watch. Very engaging to her audience too.

>>21663989
Miori is so great. I can't believe she was seiso for a whole 12 minutes

>>21663989
>Holo EN defects
So you mean NijiEN viewers pre-Ethyria?

>Started with HoloEN. Liked them
>Started getting bored after a year of them
>NijiEN debuts. Checked them out
>Found them more enjoyable than Holo so I started watching them more.
>Obsydia and Ethyria debuted. Now watch almost all Niji excecpt when Holo does big collabs like the 3D VR thing
>Luxiem & Noctys debuted. Still watch more Niji but now starting to split between them and Amiya/Pippa from Phase Connect
And this is how I got here

No, because all EN vtubers are trash /thread

>>21669091
Correction: Pippa from Phase Connect/Amiya from Tsunderia

>>21651480
Not true for everyone but it is for me. Dropped HoloEN because the NijiEN girls felt like actually friends. Hard dropped HoloEN when luxiem debuted because I've been wanting EN males for ever and I really don't gel with female only things. Makes me feel like I'm an unwanted spectator that's only their to paypig while the girls pretend to be lesbians. I fucking hate that shit. I want funny anime streamers, not schizophrenia. Hololive just feels soulless to me now. Stars are still good though.
>>21660135
No, fuck you nigger, I was there day one and me and plenty of other anons where begging for a brotuber and took our Oliver scraps when we could. We also warned you holobronies what was about to come. The only pandering you got was anycolor being gun shy about males at first and debuting 3 female waves first because faggots like you that invaded the fandom when hololive blew up in the west. Even then the girls often collabed with males anyways and never pussyfooted around the male question.
>>21652801
How is that charm? It made it bland hololite.

>>21651955
Spot on. It's what drove me away. You don't realize what you have until its gone. May 2021 to November 2021 was a magical 6 months. We probably peaked with the drunk Elira Halloween streams. But you can never truly go home. If you think you have something special now, treasure it anons. It will leave you.

>>21651626
>It's mean
Dumb ESL. Don't SEApost with my wife.

>>21656882
As if being a fan of eithers roommates puts you in a good light. Both their content was cringe normies garbage, ESPECIALLY guras

>>21651580
>Tries YT en small corpos and indies
Oh most of them are just budget holos
>Tries nijien
They did some fun streams like that pomu valentine but other than that i don't see anything unique (i hate whatever happened that makes rosemi yells twitch emotes loudly)
>Tries twitch en chuubas
Outside of nina and some of her friends one wonders why did they even streams in the first place
Don't use nene to post shit selennigger

>>21668231
Yes, I know you are afraid to watch the streams but there's plenty of good substance.

>>21660161
>if you did unprofessional things while being an indie you can't be professional after joining a corpo
dafuq is this?

>>21669344
Based Nijinigger. I don't like LazuObysdia because they're Hololite, and I'd rather watch actual Holos if I want the experience. The Nijis I watch Etheryia+Petra is a completely because they do something HoloEN doesn't do and thus provide a different experience.

As for the Nijimales, they don't appeal to me not because they're males, but because they don't do anything I like. Where's Dwarf Fortress you fuckers?

>>21651580
FPBP

>>21653174
>felt like I was genuinely a part of the community without being a piggie bank.
You might have felt that way but the reality is you were just another piggy bank in one way or another, whether through actual cash directly or indirectly through clicks and feeding the algorithm in their favor.
These people are entertainers, they aren't your surrogate friends.

>>21660161
>Ame was pretty much the same but without PG-13 filter
Each day I long for a no limiter Ame, shit would be crazy

>>21651580
>UWU IM A SEISO ANGEL
>Bigger whore than pre-debut Ironmouse
Big oof.

>>21660329
>>21661198
Wasn't there some indie, Kson was it? who talked bigly about their newfound freedom?
It's been what now, 9 months?
What about all those grand plans?
Where are they?

>>21660775
>and people like Mori have openly stated it's all an act.
Lol I wouldn't put it past her but do you have an actual quote or stream sauce?

>>21654970
Shes not Indonesian?Or do you think ID stands for SEA for some reason

>>21671718
Schizophrenics' assumptions based on their own interpretation. Always ask for the stream and timestamp.

>>21660329
limitations breed creativity but usually its because those limitations make doing stuff boring most of the time.
but some limitations stifle what people want to do, to the point they dont even work around the limitations and will just do what theyre allowed to do at most.
coco is a good example of this, she was creative because of the limitations but eventually the tightening of those limits killed off a lot of her drive to actually do anything.
but now that shes free to do what she wants and people will watch her, she doesnt feel the need to be that creative.
limitations are a balancing act, you cant go too far in either direction or youll just make people do the bare minimum
corpo does have one thing over indies with limitations and thats support and management allowing for more stable streamers, that are less likely to get pissy and start shit with others or their fans because they had a bad day.

I started watching NijiEN when it was just lazulight, now I like neither HoloEN or NijiEN.
Except NijiEN was good at some point

HoloEN feels like you're watching people develop their friendships and grow together. NijiEN feels like you're stalking a group of friends around an anime convention.

>>21651580
fpbp
old hololive had soul, current hololive is soulless. even nyanners is better and i fucking hate that cunt even outside of the /a/ shit

>>21672882
oh... that's why i like nijien so much

>>21651955
i don't understand why but their creativity completely died after luxiem too. if they were just talking to males and shit i wouldn't care but they're just not capable of being funny anymore even on their own.

I watch hololive Japanese streamers, the defacto national Japanese pass time for youth at this point
Please keep my wifes name out of your mouth, when she is more entertaining than any dying or morally weak English speaking streamer that can't obtain 1/3 her average CCV with access to billions of English speakers you're comparing to EN

I like the flower nijisanji EN.

>>21671592
It takes about a year to get a startup agency off the ground.

>>21671592
Shut the fuck up chink

>>21651480
when you watch both you realize who is actually entertaining and not only a copy paste personality
holoen: gura, mori and kiara
nijien: selen and rosemi

>>21675516
I like that one NijiEN girl who sounds actually retarded.

>>21675675
that doesn't narrow it down much

>>21675675
don't talk about petra like that

>>21675787
It was this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZIQ0C5LjU

>>21653359
https://streamable.com/8szf55

Come again, Holobroni.

>>21651480
>>21651580
>whining about unicorns merely because all the girls in niji+neneamano are literally actual whores

>>21651480
true at least for me

pretty much

Yes, because I like the friend experience nijisanji has to offer

>>21652037
You underestimate how delusional I am anon. I already have a tulpa of my oshi.

>>21684211
based schizo?

>>21663989
based

>>21651480
no? I enjoy what I like. If anything, broadening your horizons helps me better understand what I love about each Holomem.

>>21651480
NijiEN appeals more to me because there’s a larger selection of talent and more of a variety I suppose. The only criticism I have of Holo is that they or interactions feel a bit more forced in collabs (esp Council) but other than that I generally like both Holo/Niji

>>21668231
No. They still act like prostitutes.

>>21660161
>Coco during hololive
>Doing skits, collabs, fan engagement, and games
>Says the company restricted her creative freedom
>Kson is doing
What is Kson doing with her new found creative freedom?

Can I get some poggers for the freed chuuba content? If you love unmanaged and unfiltered chuuba, Artia was your girl. The saltiest, autistic, and straight up stupid chuuba. Drinks malk from bags and chippies on stream. Did whatever she wanted until she was axed. Look for clips of her and see what unrestrained chuubas feels like.

>>21651480
No, but watching NijiJP made me very disappointed in NijiEN, which are just Twitch streamers with an avatar.

Watching NijiEN will make you want to kill yourself.

>>21687398
Lives rent free in anon's head.

>>21651580
JP is still good. Watched NijiEN and never looked back, started dabbling in smaller corpos/indies too.

>>21687785
Whores and faggots that have no creativity. Sad really

>>21652719
HOLY BA--
>Show 246 more
never mind

>>21687785
What kind of things are NijiEN viewers missing out on?

>>21651580
This is so true. Just about every indie or small company brings something interesting or unique while hilolive seems to actively discourage their talents from doing fun things.

>>21692320
life in; general

>>21668231
Nope. If you did't like that before you still won't like it now. It's all they have to offer.

>>21687681
>watched Amelia on Twitch
>chat says MAHBOLS 20 minutes into it
>Amelia: What's marbles?
That actually stung a bit, Artia knew how to control and bait Twitch chat

>>21652037
>not becoming your Oshi's Oshi so you can pay back all the pain you suffered

>>21692855
Amelia was the one who advertised Artia's stream before.

>>21651580
Wrong completely. I enjoy streamers from many different companies. Except the ones who abandon YT for Twitch exclusively. Tenma from Phase Connect, Mashiro and Pomu from Nijisanji, Moona and Ina from Hololive, and I used to watch Kana but then she abandoned YT like the cunt she is.

They all have their own unique charms and watch for the streamer not the Company like any sane person would.

>>21692787
Also the entirety of /vt/, but you're not wrong

I watch hololive content incognito mode only

>>21651480
>NijiEN
rip. They killed it with all the males. I don't even watch clips anymore.

>>21672882
I talk like the NijiJP dynamic where everyone is an individual in a community. It's a shame no EN options capture that

>>21652836
>Sounds like someone who doesn't even watch holoen

>>21694794
Just sad. I can’t enjoy shit anymore because these fags always force a collab. Irritating fucks can’t entertain on their own.

>>21654956
Lol imagine taking 4chan seriously

>>21651480
It was like that for me, then the luxfags and the other failed gen debuted and started popping out on the other girls streams unannounced and ruined my enjoyment. So in the end I just went back to watch only Ina and Fauna.

>>21695454
anon...

>>21657112
Who?

>>21651480
I kind of agree, I miss 2020 hololiveEN now it's so fucking boring, the minecraft arc was fun but these past few months have been hell, I switched to Niji and I've been having fun watching it feels like a group of friends fucking around and bantering all day hololive is just...there It's cool for hype games/collabs but it just isn't the same.

>>21695839
I never watched EN. None of their personalities clicked with me. Only ID are chaotic enough for me to enjoy.

>>21693803
I always hear Tenma is good, Is she really? Seems like her accent's really thick.

>>21651480
I wouldn't go that far, but it has made me quicker to call out Hololive on some of the horseshit limiting it instead of just being a drone and slurping up everything in the name of "unity" like I used to. Nijis are so much more entertaining on average it's unbelievable

Watching HoloEN is like watching an idol anime. You're in it to watch these girls achieve their dreams, have some fun time playing games and with friends, and most of that SOL stuff.

Watching NijiEN is like watching twitch streamers. They're great friends and you really feel that they're part of one community who just wants to hang out with friends and play games.

>>21651480
Depends on what I'm in the mood for that day. Niji has much better friends hanging out chemistry imo but I also like Holos big events like those DnD sessions

>>21651580
Only true for holoEN

>>21695839
the minecraft arc around the server merge was entertaining because kronii malding was good content, other than that I can only watch Ina when I'm in the mood for some low energy stream
>>21696026
that's part of her charm, she's a japanese that became a vtuber to become better at speaking english, the improvement from her debut week compared to now is already impressive she's the main reason I started searching nihongo kaiwa groups with native speakers in it again to practice

>>21651480
Only a few out of the bunch are any good in HoloEN so yes. Everyone else will look like shit compared to NijiEN

>>21669344
Seanigg

>>21696026
Its thick but never impossible to understand what shes saying. She speaks good english but imperfect. I love listioning to her speak but maybe it aint for everyone.

>>21651480
I think it's more that Hololive becomes less appealing when you find streamers that will respond to your comments and Hololive is too popular that you can't do that. And Nijisanji is the most popular one where they will respond to you sometimes. However once you get to the even smaller corpos (i.e. Phase, Prism, Kawaii, etc) you find that they will regularly read even more of your comments and then they ruin Nijisanji for you.

>>21673992
So you're that type of person who sit in the corner watching a group of friends having fun....

>>21683880
>Friend experience nijisanji has to offer

Damn...
You need to go outside and talk to people. It's not that hard man...

>>21651480
I wouldn't know, I never really watched HoloEn to begin with

>>21651480
Holo JP >>>>>>>>>>>>> Niji EN > Niji JP > Holo ID > Holo EN

I love Holo JP and Niji EN particularly. Its basically impossible to ever criticize Holo EN in /vt/ since everyone just assumes its a shitpost, but i just find them kind of bland overall.

Genuine question for niji fans, can you tell me honestly that there is an actual difference between nijien and the average twitch streamer? Without restrictions what separates them from simply being a streamer with an avatar? This is a none shitpost question because I can't seem to see a huge difference in content or attitudes.

>>21697235
Define "average twitch streamer". As in, give me your personal definition for it.

>>21696383
Ehh it depends on the person. I mainly watch NijiEN for their group dynamic and the Pomu solo streams. I really like it though when smaller indies/corpos respond to me.

>>21697235
Depends on who you're comparing. The girls (at least pre-Luxiem/Noctyx addition) are/were HoloEN lite content and style wise, but the boys are literally just male twitch streamers on a different platform.

>>21692320
Pretty much everything. NijiJP is completely different from NijiEn, if only due to the sheer numbers the variety between the streamers is way bigger and you can find someone in NijiJP who's just outright better than any NijiEn in any given activity. They're far more organized on average too so the quality of the streams and events is worlds better, people are always letting NijiEn slide for delays or horrible set ups for some reason when they're worse than most indies at actually making things happen.

People don't want to admit it but the strength NijiEn has is that they lean in extremely hard on friend, boyfriend and girlfriend experience compared to any other group. You watch NijiEn so you can pretend you're hanging out with someone but pretty much no one in the branch is actually a very strong entertainer. They work by playing off of each other even when no one else is in stream in what's basically a big family sitcom.

>>21697235
Nothing really, all vtubers, including HoloEN are just streamers using anime avatars. The only unique thing about them are karaoke and art streams but every corpo vtuber (and some indies) do that. Only reason why I watch NijiEN is because I like Pomu and how the branch members interact with each other.

>>21697315
I can't really give a definition beyond simply saying that for the most part they are more or less a copy of offline TV i.e. a group of individuals without restrictions simply saying whatever is on their mind with each other while playing a game. Of course at an individual level someone like Vox isn't that different than Amouranth and Finana isn't that different from say vshoujo

>>21697660
If you can point me to female streamers that avoid all dram and politics while acting like Gura or Ina please point me to them

>>21697861
Does it have to be female streamers? I only mainly watch real male streamers. Most of my female streamers are vtubers and they all avoid the things you say. Raeyei is one IRL streamer, she mainly plays dota 2 and valorant though.

>>21697748
A few things confuse me about this definition. Offline tv didn't really invent this format of streaming where a lot of friends stream together often and just banter, but i get that they contributed greately to popularizing it. Niji ENs streams aren't really like that, it only gets close to it in streams where a large group of them stream together which are in the vast minority of streams they do, and even then isn't that just like the among us streams holo JP do? I also don't understand what you mean by Vox being similar to Amouranth. Overall NijiEN and HoloEN really aren't very different in their streaming model at all, both of them being copies of the Japanese streamer format, with content that mostly is just some variety of zatsudan, singing, playing game or some variety thing like cooking. Plus both Niji and Holo avoid any and all sensitive topics during their streams like politics or whatever because its company policy. My overall point is that there's really not that huge of a difference of structure between holo, niji and regular twitch streamers as /vt/ seems to believe.

>>21698042
This is true, most people on this board just won't admit that vtubers, especially the ones in EN be it Holo, Niji, smaller corpo, and indies, are just regular streamers with an anime avatar.

>>21697660
HoloEn is very different from regular streamers for better or for worse. The guidelines and limitations keep them from doing a lot of things that might be good or bad and even the ones who don't respect lore and are bad at playing a character still maintain their setting.

In general a lot of the appeal to vtubers back in the day was that even the least in-character of them was still basically assured to be a weeb and indulged in the weeb culture, so you could search vtubers as just a filter to find content you could relate to as a weeb. That's not so true nowadays with so many viewers and vtubers being ironic weebs or just coming in from a different hobbyist circle. HoloEn is still weeby as fuck which is something that VShojo and NijiEn can't really say.

>>21697999
I already watch plenty of male streamers, vtubers are pretty much the only female content creators I watch.

>>21698141
To be fair i don't think there's no difference at all. Every streamer puts on a character, but vtubers lean more into it than regular streamers, simply because the nature of being behind an avatar lets you push the boundary a bit further without going into completely unbelievability. But at the end of the day as far as the actual streams go its not that differnt.

>>21697639
There are two exceptions in my opinion, Enna and Millie but the two of them are somewhat of a package deal, they pander more to their fanbases than to the group in general, they also are the ones who do the most solo streams without people hopping in a call midway. They fall in the parasocial category I guess? But that's not different from most vtubers so it's not really a distinction.

But the first part about organization is just true, the only thing you could say they they have over the JP branch when it comes to organization is all members having a schedule, but they don't respect the times they put in it that so might as well just make random tweets informing they will be streaming later/soon to inform their audience. Their large events are a joke, like they and the staff don't bother enough to do some research and test how to do things properly beforehand and just scuff it on the fly.

>>21651580
I tried watching Vshojo and it couldn't come back to Hololive quick enough.
>mouse
>vei
>snuffy
>nya
Nothing but sex jokes ad infinitum.

>>21698042
Then why are do you choose to watch nijien over actual twitch streamers. I only watch Ina and Gura for EN because I have yet to find a single female streamer like them

>>21698155
Have you ever watched NijiEN? I'm genuinely asking you, i mean actually watching them and not just viewing clips. How is Elira "I have a shrine to Kirishima" Pendora, Pomu "Idolfag" Rainpuff and Petra "honorary japanese" pendora not weebs? Finana tlaks about hentai every stream and they have done like six hour long anime discussion panels.Out of everything to complain about nijisanji EN saying that they're not sufficiently weeby is just strange.

>>21698155
why present such a wrong opinion like this when it's clear you never even bothered watching them? Elira, Pomu and Petra are more weeb, like the degen kind that went out of their way to fully immerse their lives in Japanese media, than any member of HoloEN except Kiara will ever be.

>>21698155
You can't say that HoloEN is weeby while NijiEN is not lol. Both sides have Ironic weebs and actual weebs. Ame and Calli are 100% ironic weebs, the same can be said for Selen and Nina. If anything NijiEN is more weeby and dives into deeper japanese anime otaku interests like actual idols, BL VN's, Seiyuu weebs and the like. You even have the likes of Ike and Reimu who are very hard into the Utaite scene and Sonny who's a wannabe VA.

>>21698322
But i do watch twitch streamers sometimes. I also watch Hololive and Nijisanji, matter of fact HoloJP is what i watch the most. You don't really have to pick a single category. As for the Gura and Ina thing, you like them as individuals so you like their streams, that's fine. I'm also very picky about who i watch honestly, despite having listed these three categories i only watch like 5 streamers between them.

>>21698322
NTA. For the same reasons as to why you watch Gura and Ina is the same reason why I watch Pomu and my retro indies.

Honestly it's hard to describe but I never once in the 25 years before I got into hololive enjoyed female content creators but with hololive I went all in and it's takes up like 60% of my entertainment. So clearly something separates them from other female streamers and content creators, I don't know if it's the lack of male interaction or what but they have something that I can't explain that draws me to them over niji or 3d twitch girls

>>21698686
The same is for me, the main draw was that they were anime girls. I didn't stick to Holo since I didn't really like their personalities but I still mainly watch my usual female vtubers now.

>>21698686
I think its because of what i described here >>21698251. Vtubers are just able to lean more into being characters than regular streamers can. Maybe you like hololive more than nijisanji because hololive's talent tends to lean more into their characters. Luna is my oshi and i love her for both what she is and she isn't, i love her as a person and also as the character she puts on. Or maybe you just like the holos more as individuals then the nijis, could be as simple as that. I personally don't watch any of the holo ENs, but i do watch the Niji ENs.

What always shocks me the most about these threads is that the dicussion seems to always be between HoloEN and NijiEN. Do none of you fucks watch holo JP?

>>21698846
I think this discussion is more about the EN branches, both companies have chuubas deep into their roleplay and lore in the JP branches

>>21698921
True. I think Debi might have just forgotten she's a person at this point, for example.

>>21651480
My adventure into EN chuubas as a JPfag
>started watching HoloEN
>they're actually a lot better than I expected
>few months later: kind of boring, often unenthusiastic, same games
>started watching NijiEN
>holy shit they're even better, have good chemistry
>few months later: too many chuubas, turned into twitch, cringe humor, non-stop unwanted random collabs
>started watching small corpos
>ran them through a filter and found some gems who I like better than I ever did the big corpos
I am here now, but I'm sure something will go wrong this time as well
Can't really make a single corpo work for me anymore, cause there's more bad than good in all of them, so currently a unityfag who watches a few chuubas from all 3 sources

I can't stand watching male vtubers and only like watching women. Inversely, I can't stand watching women regular streamers/youtubers and only like watching dudes. NijiEN was ruined for me the moment the gays came along

>>21698913
Most of the HoloJP and NijiJP posters stay in their containment thread. Some of the NijiJP posts at /nijien/ at times if there’s a special event.

>>21687398
Nothing, but overly sensitive chinks will call you a chink lmao if you point out this irrefutable fact.

>>21674815
>>21674917
>s-shut up!
lol cope and seethe fags you got duped, this is all kson will do as she's become complacent as she knows little catamites like yourselves will paypig her regardless

>>21651480
Of course not.
If it's true, then nijiEN would've been doing better than holoEN.

>>21651580
(USER WAS BANNED FOR REPLYING TO HIMSELF 37 TIMES)

>>21651955
>Now it feels like a virtual frat house where you're the 3rd wheel and are forced to watch some random dudes barge into every solo collab yelling twitch memes. It's exhausting.
Well put. Its like american reality television. Gross and vulgar.

>>21651480
Why the need to compare?
If you're entertained by your NijiEN streamers, you'd be creating fanart, making shitty memes or commenting on the NijiEN general about how great your streamer is.

Instead you're /here/ creating bait threads to farm (You)s and cope about your regrets in getting invested in people who have no care for their audience.

Just move on. It's entertainment, no need to stay so attached and bitter.

>>21687398
>What is Kson doing with her new found creative freedom?
Showing her real tits. Thats about it.

>>21659723
:pepePoint:

The things that NijiEN provides, I already got from Twitch meat streamers but better. I watch Hololive as its own thing separate from that mood, they're very relaxing usually (at least the ones I watch) and I leave them on the background while I do something else usually.

>>21660614
I'm honestly glad I didn't stop doing my reps after EN debuted.
HoloJP is FAR more free with each other than HoloEN or NijiEN are, and they have actual chemistry with each other.
I could watch JP collabs for literal HOURs while most EN collabs bore me after the first 10-15 mins (the recent Gura-Mumei and most Irys collabs being notable exceptions).

>>21651480
Muh creativity is the worst copeout.
I don't want them to be creative, I want them to do the same shit they always do for cheap entertainment.

>>21651480
started watching Hololive in late 2019 and still only watch Holos. I really don't care about anything outside it. Nothing has made me move out of it.

>>21651480
I used to watch HoloEn, then I move to HoloID. I tried NijiEn and then moving back to HoloID

>>21651580
>Watch holos
>Fun beacuse anime girls BUT REAL
>Watch any other company/indie
>Whores and faggots everywhere, literal subhuman retards that dont understand their own audience, for some reason constantly trying to appeal to twitch 'culture'
Only exceptions from this ive found so far, are Pikamee and Kson, but kson is a given.

>>21652037
Oh really? You're gonna eat your words you pathetic loser mentality faggot

>>21669356
>May 2021 to November 2021 was a magical 6 months.
I think the hype was dying down by the time Ethyria came into the picture but i'd still kill for those days to come back.

>>21653174
>felt like I was genuinely a part of the community without being a piggie bank.
You had a worse case of parasocial relationship than EN Holofans to the point where you were in denial of being a piggy bank

>>21702084
> Yura
based, one of the few actually good clipfags.

>>21701903
>>21702068
sasuga """Daisenpai"""

>>21651580
Can't say for EN since I don't watch them, but that's definitely true for JP.
Ruin is pretty harsh, though. Fubuki and Koro-san are still good.

>>21698913
90% of people here are
1. Former contrarian holofags who switched to NijiEN for a little more "free" content and now find themselves bitter about all the """freedom""" in their collabs.
2. NijiENfags who pretend to "enjoy" the type of content they put out in order to "pwn" hololive and idol culture in general.

HoloJP and NijiJP people are satisfied with the content they're getting, and feel no need to "defend" it from people who don't get it (and probably aren't interested).

>>21651480
It's like experiencing a decent Android phone. I can't believe I wasted the last decade buying iPhones. Though I still watch Hololive, but only Marine so I can clip for you faggots.