/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>21561354
cool blogpost, at least it confirms you're a woman

is this a new copypasta?

>>21561354
<span class="xae" data-xae="think">🤔</span>

buy a banner

<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="26" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/adf2d2f0_EZY.png">
Ain't reading all that shit.

>>21561354
enter the Queen of Vtubing, fag akuma

you guys can have all the fujos hahaha

<img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="26" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/4459d60b_PepoG.png">

>>21561354
why so much text bro

>>21561354
Keep making post like this. We need more of your <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="31" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/0ee6ba1c_FeelsStrongMan.png">

>>21561354
already got beaten by cute and funny indog

Agree on almost everything, except for the fact that I believe Ike is a decent talker too. His word use is good & he speaks smoothly at that.

>>21561354
Sorry, but the LORD my God disapproves of such rampant faggotry. Vox should reconsider whether chink money is worth his immortal soul.

>>21561551
Because I'm giving advice on how to do something. If it were short, it wouldn't be very good advice. Imagine if cookbooks just said "throw everything in the pan and heat it up". It's for people actually interested in beating him since I've seen people who want to beat Vox but don't know anything about female fans.

>>21561751
then write a wikihow not a thread in an imageboard.

>>21561751
learn how to summarise your points faggot

>>21561354
tl:dr
have a deep voice like corpse and this guy
also is your youtube name vox fartussy by any chance?

>>21561990
They are already summarized as much as possible. Are you still in third grade or something.

>>21562168
Nope, it takes way more than just a deep voice. Like it says in the op, you've got to be charismatic and know how to speak well. Also no I hate that donator their name is embarrassing.

>>21561354
Thank you, anon. Ignore the drooling retards.

>>21561354
<img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/eb07a2c8_konata.png">

>>21561354
I read all of this

>>21561354
/aap/ is right over there

>>21561354
No thanks. We don't need Cancer like fujos on our fanbase. <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/6e6217c7_laughingw.png">

>>21562534
No problem! They say be the change you wish to see in the world and well.....I can't be that change but I can sure help contribute to it.

>>21561354
Perfect copypasta for shitpost

>>21562386
don't care didn't ask kys

>>21561354
Blah blah blah kys fujoshit, and take all the fujopandering faggots with you

>>21562932
God I hate women so much.<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/a9f848d3_SeetheWojak.png">

Thanks for the well thought out post OP. I enjoy learning about stuff outside my usual comfort zone.
I have zero interest in ever watching male vtubers but I like learning more about them because they're an odd trend in the industry.

>>21561354
Consider the following: _____________________________________________________Kill yourself________________________________________________

>>21563394
Sure thing, I should have posted this during more chill hours but I thought there were people interested in beating him that are in different timezones. I also appreciate learning more about different audiences as well, gives me a look at how things may change for an industry.

>>21561354
Thank you Anonita! Please forgive some of these zoomer anons who have short attention span and can't read a detailed coherent insight without given a simplified rundown on anything. Really helpful giving insight on how women view things and this things could also be applicable on understanding your fujo friends.
Anyways I have some few questions (I'm ESL so be warned):

What kinds of first impressions do women like?

How do you change your role like for eg. a friend of mine keeps getting called an uke but he doesn't want that title but even when he tries to be "aggressive" it just comes out as dorky?

Does the idea of having a slightly different personality on non-members and members stream seem okay or even appealing to you? for eg. Being a Boybestfriend on regular streams but in members you slightly open up and leave crumbs of what is really (You) or does it make is look like you're more fake in the eyes of your audience?

Do majority of you like it subtle approach or a more confident one?

What kinds of Gap Moe scenarios do you think works? Like for say Confident guy but when intimate moments stutter when talking to you or like a soft subtle person giving monologue on how he will get confident and serious just for you?

What kind of demographics are generally on the female side? I heard there is also a side where they like it when their men are straight. So knowing the margins would be helfpful.

Lastly, When doing handcam stuff what are your insights on this? I generally have a slim white hand with pinkish tips but it has some slight hair in it (I promise its really thin and not caveman like looking). Do you prefer like no gloves? What kind of hands do we like?

Btw thanks for the fu-pedia. Its really helpful. (≧◡≦)

>How To Beat Vox Akuma
Don't need to. He's already losing to the indonesian side branches lmao

>>21563582
>>21561354
>Blogposting
Holy shit. Kill yourselves. Please.

>>21563582
commit suicide

Anons telling OP to kys are looking at this from the wrong angle, just readjust the advice to learn how to groom lonely internet girls.

>>21561354
kill yourself, fujoshit

>>21563735
Considering that a lot of chink women are mentally ill. He's very successful in taking advantage of that.

>>21563056
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>>21564334
Maidenless behaviours. Never will a day come that you'll get the chance to groom young fujowomen

It's funny how many people in this thread are trashing OP, when I know for a fact some of you people have applied for Niji or Holo and could actually benefit from this.

>>21561354
mucho texto <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/51ca59c2_BOOMER.png">

>>21561354
Didn't read <img class="xae" data-xae width="31" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/c4035570_OMEGALUL.png">

This could have been a post in /asp/

>>21561354
How come Holostars fail so badly? Not a single one of them is as successful as the worst Noctyx member, and most of them have been around for years.

since im english, hearing english accent online is fucking repulsive to me also he acts like a pedo groomer also the heavy compression and bass boost is obvious he talks from the throat which means its physically impossible for it to be that deep naturally, i hate this fucking faggot

All these niggers literally incapable of reading should kill themselves. OP is pretty much right and some could benefit from this, but enjoy your hundreds of bait threads created by mentally ill children instead, I guess, you drooling retards. I hope your oshi makes fun of you for your hilariously bad reading comprehension and laughs because of how pathetic you are

>>21563582
It's all right, your english is fine! And I've been on 4chan for a while I know how to ignore them.

>What kinds of first impressions do women like?
Every woman is different, so focus on putting out the personality YOU want to do. In terms of VTubing, establish the kind of personality you wish for people to see you as. Do you want to be the cool asshole, the cute shy boy, the happy genki personality? You can be cool and confident, or reserved and shy, we will like either of those. And if you can't stick to a personality type, just be yourself.

>How do you change your role
Dorky can be cute as well but I can see why some people may not like getting called an uke. Try to practice being more confident. Expect things to go the way you want them to. Give out commands as if you're the boss (but don't be too much of an ass right off the bat). Try doing this in small steps as you learn how to get more assertive. I'll use Vox's White Day voice pack as an example: he sounds very sweet but still gives the listener simple instructions; he expects the listener to be obedient but not in an asshole-ish way which gives him a confident and dominant vibe and a lot of women like that.

>Does the idea of having a slightly different personality on non-members and members stream seem okay
If it's a scenario themed stream, then it's fine. For example if you usually have a sweet personality but want to do a yandere scenario stream for members, then people will like that. If you're giving key personality points/character development in members only streams, then a lot of your wider audience may miss out on getting to know you better. That's why it's better to be yourself if you have a hard time staying in character for long (or you can try the gap moe route and do one personality and your real one comes out later).

>subtle approach or a more confident one
Depends on what you are more comfortable doing and what comes naturally. Majority of women like confident men, but since you'll be an anime avatar it could go either way. I will say though a subtle approach can be stretched out longer, leaving people wanting more. So you can keep it up for longer if you go the subtle route.

>Gap Moe scenarios do you think works
I think the first one tends to work the best. Confident guys showing their soft side is a huuuuuuuge turn on for women whether they're a weeb or not. If a guy gets confident and serious just for the audience, that's also a turn on because it means the guy is thinking about you and will go out of his way to please you.

>demographics
I think there are mostly yumejoshi (women who self insert being with their oshi). Fujoshi are still rare and niche, at least in the western side (but it's complicated and I'm not going into details on that here). You can be straight but it would be best to turn it down talking about other girls too much. Some don't mind, but we mostly like it when you talk to us that way. Some yumejoshi like a bit of the yaoi stuff too, but it's all dependent on what you're comfortable with.

>When doing handcam stuff what are your insights on this?
As long as it's not overly hairy, it's fine. You're a man so you'll have soem type of hair and we expect that, but we don't mind hairless or soft hands either. Slim hands are beautiful too!

>>21561354
This post is extremely high quality.

>>21564785
I'm actually not sure about this one. I don't watch Holostars since I don't know enough Japanese. I hear it's because Cover doesn't promote them well enough, but I think it could be other factors. My best guess is because Hololive is known for mostly female VTubers and catering to a straight male audience, so trying to have a male branch with a mostly straight audience won't really work out. With Nijisanji at least, people knew they would get males because of the JP side and they have less restrictions, so that's why they're more successful.

>>21561354
>sees this post
>takes note
>applies for holoEN
>gets hired
>fujobaits like my life depends on it
>even make cock sucking sounds in my ASMR stream
>mogs Vox to the point that he graduates
>Gura falls in love with me
>becomes the new CEO of Cover
Thanks for the tip OP! <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="24" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/cda7b2fb_FeelsGoodMan.png">

I don't see how this helps to beatbox...

>>21562764
>We
>our
Go back

>>21561354
Thank you for you're insight anon, this is a surprisingly detailed summation of the nuances of being a male v-tuber. Do keep it up, one good thing about posting here is despite the fools and retarded folks that post here, there are indeed people who look for advice and criticisms here due to the anonymous nature of this board. I'd also like to add some things.

You can get away with bro interactions, akin to the dream SMP People/ Danplan. You don't necessarily have to fujobait if you are uncomfortable, since if you are confident and passionate on the things you talk about you are able to get a good grasp on the conversation and engage people.

Also in regards to chat, being able to engage with chat is one of the harder things that you have to eventually pick up, I've seen some v tubers and streamers that suck at it hard but were able to develop over time. (Kuzuha for example). The best example for an english v tuber who knows how to banter well with his chat is Fulgur, check his streams, as he usually notices the comments of those who add more to the play through or share their insights in regards to their playthrough.

Literally nobody on /vt/ is competent, hardworking, or talented enough to beat Vox.
The autism and loser aura will seep into everything they do.

>>21561354
>Other advice regardless of the route you wish to take:
>•Practice your speaking skills. Vox isn’t carried by his deep voice alone, he talks very smoothly and barely stutters so he has probably had some public speaking experience. If you do stutter that can be cute too, especially if you have a soft voice, but it can get a bit displeasing to hear if it happens too often *cough* Ike
>•Talk about things you love. Women love hearing men talk about their interests, no matter how dumb you may think it is. Vox talks about a nearly 10 year old game about possessed animatronics, I’m sure whatever you’re into is fine too. If you sound happy talking about it, talk about it.
>•Despite what you’ve been told, we really are attracted more to your personality than your looks. Just be yourself, even if you have dark humor, there will be an audience for you (see: Fulgur and sometimes, Sonny).
But these aren't even male specific

>>21565216
>even make cock sucking sounds in my ASMR stream
You don't even need to do all that really. It'd be nice, but there's ways to get a large audience without resorting to that. Maybe save it for member streams. Good luck anon!

>>21561354
Insanely based post, Anonchama. I can tell that you actually are in fact, a dirty fucking fujo.
You are one of the only groups of anime fans I can still respect because almost every other group keeps trying to insist to me that fiction is the exact same as the real thing. God I miss 2007.

>>21561354
my retarded ass thought this was gonna be beatboxing lessons for vtubers for some reason

>>21565464
Step 1: accumulate as much saliva as you could

>>21565333
Agreed! That's also why I added some details for people who didn't want to fujobait but still may want the fujobucks lol. And yes Fulgur is pretty good at banter, just don't have power-hungry mods like he does. I don't watch him anymore but I hear they're quite annoying. Other than that, engaging with chat is always a great way to connect with an audience. Even small things you can remember will really stick with people ("Oh hey VTuberfan39, glad to see you back, I hope you recovered from your cold!").

>>21565371
I know, but I notice that some men tend to have this preconceived notion that women don't like hear ing men talk about nerdy things when we actually really love it. For example I was watching Sonny last night and he was talking a lot about voice acting and went on for a while about it. He thought it started getting annoying or that he was talking about it too much but then the chat said they absolutely loved him going on and on about the little facts he knew. Honestly I wouldn't mind an entire talking stream of just him nerding out about voice actor facts and practicing his impressions. It was so cool to hear!

>>21561354
Sticky this please

>>21561354
Fuck off Herman Melville

>>21562932
Holy based
>>21563362
Touch grass freak

>>21565749
His mods are real bad, I feel sorry for him.

>>21561354
your post is too good for this dumpster fire board
so fuck off

>>21562764
As opposed to idolfags I wholeheartedly welcome fujos considering they're from the anime fandom and idolfags don't exist there at all and are objectively creepier in nature.

>>21565430
Thank you! I like helping out sometimes.
>spoiler
Just stay off western twitter and follow Japanese artists and vtubers. I've done that on a new account and my mental health couldn't have been better. I miss those years as well but there's still a select few of us out there and we hate this wave of ironic lesbian minors who think fiction == reality. Ignore and block those idiots and they'll go away when they get less attention.

>>21561354
Incredibly based post.

>>21566002
>follow Japanese artists and vtubers
Stopped reading there. No self-respecting person actually does this.

>>21566080
its better than getting sudden absurd sjw shit on your feed ngl, you get good art on ur feed as well

tldr
-deep voice
-slight flirt
-get embarrassed from time to time

>>21566002
Also to add to your point; I've found most fujos will love it if you share literally any interests with them. I have fujo friends that I met through reading fanfic/MMOs/forum RP and most of them are excited to just meet anyone who is patient enough to listen to them freak out over their hobbies in general. If you share even BASIC interests with the fujoshi community, it's pretty easy to carve a niche based solely on common ideas alone. The amount of people who actually are willing to give anyone into even KIND of niche hobbies is so fucking slim that even if you want to avoid pandering, just being interested in the same things as your presumable yume/fujo fanbase puts you insanely far ahead of people like, hilariously, Vox.

>>21566080
I mean just if you want to avoid cancerous western fandoms. Or maybe have it on a separate account. I've done it and it's nice, but I guess it's just me since I really love art. I also said VTubers because of this board, but just be more selective in who you follow to avoid seeing things you don't want to see.

Good thread

>>21566211
This is very true. If I ever found a male VTuber who is into Kamen Rider as much as I am, it's over. I will empty my entire savings for him (but not enough before I get my first belt kek). It's also because fujoshi have very little content out there for us, so we have to make our own. So finding anyone with even slightly similar interests is like finding a gold mine because it's so rare. Fujo content attracts people who are into very niche things since BL is still very niche. So when we finally get fed we get reeeeeaaaally into things and try to make it popular if it appeals to us (see: NU Carnival. I've personally never seen a yaoi porn game for mobile like that so I'm not surprised it blew up the way it did).

GET OFF MY BOARD WOMAN <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/b06b1566_REEeee.png">

>>21564893
Thanks for taking your time in answering my questions! Took me a while to get a decent shot, little bit embarrassed about it. But here have a hand pic as a Thank you. (￣▽￣*)ゞ

>>21561354
>Talk a lot with your genmates/wavemates you get along with to establish a “ship”. If he’s comfortable fujobaiting, then continue to lightly flirt with him. If he’s not, just talk to him like a regular friend and fujos will still ship you anyway.
I love fujoshis so much. God bless you people. I mean this completely unironically. Your enthusiasm for being perverts is just so completely endearing for reasons I can't quite explain.

>>21566658
Condoms and lube?

>he aims to pander to wemen and gays
ngmi seriously, all the top ecelebs are brotubes

>>21561354
Question: What do you think the normal age range for male vtubers is? How old is too old? I suppose it depends on what kind of character you're going for, but I'm interested in hearing if you have any opinion on this.

>>21566826
Is it even really possible to pander both of these at once outside of good body?

>>21561354
That is a lot of text to just basically say "be a shameless man whore" Vox doesn't have a talented bone in his body and Fujos have no standards as long as you pander to them. Fuck off zhang.

>>21561354
I don’t care and only skimmed to the end, but I’m genuinely appreciative of you writing this. Definitely someone out there who can benefit from this writeup.

>>21566658
Geez anon be careful with posting hand pics. People here can dox you with that. Also
>Smol wrist and large hand. Yaoi hands
>Has bad eyesight
>Lots of medication
>Uses face cleanser
>business student
I feel like you’re one of those sheltered frail neets

>>21567021
I mean, you could reasonably say the same of many female vtubers.

>>21566739
Nobody else is willing to openly be a degenerate besides fujosisters and lolichads. Everyone else is too busy pretending they're above it all to TRULY hornypost.

>>21567129
I sometimes think people do this on purpose because they need some excitement in their lives. Putting receipts and shit in plain sight is just asking for it.

>>21561354
Reminder

>>21567252
That's not true, hagchads tend to openly be into feet and pits. They just have more normalfag tastes so it doesn't register on your radar.

I mean if you are that desperate for some money and you want to appeal to degenerates just learn to draw and make furry commissions, pretending to be a literal unironical faggot for 3 hours every day doesn't seem worth it.
I think most anons here want to be regular streamers but with an anime avatar.

>>21567309
You're right, I have no idea how I forgot christmas cake bros and hagchads are also inherently based.

>>21566658
Glad I could help out, you have nice hands by the way! Nice to see you keep your nails clipped and clean too.

>>21566739
We love you too! People don't realize just how much we have in common and can get along with each other and I'm willing to help bridge that gap.

>>21566866
No age is too old, it all depends on your personality. I have a friend who is into wayyy older men and draws very handsome men that look like they're in their late 40s or even 50s. There are a lot of women who are into older guys, especially if they're confident and have dominant energy. If you have a talent, enthusiasticly talk about something you're really into, and let your true self shine through, there will always be an audience for you. Fulgur sounds old as heck but he has found a pretty good audience despite that, so you can do it too! Just be very engaging and talk with your audience. Don't let age be a reason you don't do something. As long as you're alive, you can do and be whatever you want to be!

>>21561354
>Ouran High School Host Club
Isn't this anime a parody of the genre?

>>21567339
Most people have what we call decency and a sense of shame. Vox is a legit sociopath which is why he has no problems whoring himself out the way he does. You need to legit be mentally ill to appeal to the mentally ill (fujos).

>>21566658
"Eskinol"
Are you Pinoy by any chance?

>>21567351
Wish we could have a place where only degenerates are allowed to post. 4chan used to filter out the biggest normalfags but we're far past that stage now.

>>21561354
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>>21564893
Post tits

>>21561354
>how powerful female fans can actually be
Pretty useless advice if you're a twitch streamer that caters to American audience

>>21566080
anon are you retarded?

>>21567339
OP here, I've done furry porn commissions and it's not worth it. Yes it gets you lots of money but a lot of them are drama-hungry impatient coomers. There are a lot of nice commissioners out there and artists may tell you that they've had good experiences with them, but if you're not into the fetish you're drawing or don't do it full time it's really not worth the mental damage. I would rather be a GFE vtuber than to ever draw an oversized dog penis ever again.

>>21561354
Not to mention chink women are literal robots and mentally ill too.

>>21567575
>only degenerates

she posted a paragraph explaining the best way to pander to gay porn addicts

How do I get a personality? No im serious. I don't like talking to people at work, when Im with my friends I usually make one word responses, and its difficult for me to make new friends unless circumstances forces us together. And when I do try to strike up conversation I usually talk too quiet or too fast that I slur my words together

>>21567628
( . Y . )

Jesus christ what an abortion of a thread

>>21567405
In some parts, maybe. But that sure didn't stop being from making a ton of yaoi of the Hitachiin twins. It also greatly summarizes the tropes that people are into when it comes to female-focused content, which is why I put it as a good example.

>>21567671
Well it's a good thing I'm not talking about twitch streamers, I'm talking about VTubers who want to appeal to fujos or a general female weeb audience but don't know much about how a female weeb audience works or what we like.

>>21567403
Your optimism is infectious. I'm in my early 30s, but I just got the impression that the average audience for vtubing is way younger and that I would be totally out of touch. Perhaps that's not quite right.
Thank you for responding.

>>21561354
>Some notable reverse harem to use as reference material are Ouran High School Host Club and Uta No Prince-Sama.
I would like more recommendations, I want to understand fujos and yumejos.

>>21561354
Stop busting man cheeks, groomer freaks.

>>21567257
Hand Poser here.
I keep them on my desk so that I won't forget to drink them
>>21567129
The business student part scared but I realized it was on my monitor kek
>>21567549
Why are you awake its literally 2AM
>>21567403
Have a free bump

>>21567976
Female-driven audiences lean a lot older and have wider tastes. Keep in mind that the early fujo works, like Hetalia, came out in the West around the late 00s~early 10s when most of them were 12-15. It's 2022, anon. The fujos who got into Hetalia at 13 after watching the english dub are now 25.

>>21561354
Pearls before swine, this post

TL;DR go wash your stinky vag

>>21567777
>chink women are literal robots and mentally ill too
But that's all women anon <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/57b01648_nepSmug.png">

>>21567890
Being quiet isn't really a bad thing. If you have friends then that must mean they like you just the way you are. If you wish to work on being more confident and talk more, then talk to those friends that you have more often. The more you speak, the better you get at it, and it's best to practice around the people you trust. Your personality will come out over time the more you talk, so don't force anything. Talking fast could mean you're really into the subject matter, so it's not inherently a bad thing. I would say focus on one thought at a time so your brain can keep up with your thoughts. If it branches off to something else in the conversation with the person you're talking to and they're still keeping up, then it means you're engaging and that's not a bad thing either.

>>21567976
>early 30s
You are definitely still young. I believe Fulgur is in his 30s as well and he's doing fine despite debuting about a month ago. It's good to maybe get familiar with some things younger people are into these days but you don't necessarily have to. There's still people around your age range who are into VTubers and will share interests with you. They will come along with time.

>>21563056
Actual illiterate 10 year old on the channers

>>21568485
Thank you for taking your time to respond to me with a well intentioned reply. Your kindness is not unappreciated <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="31" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/0ee6ba1c_FeelsStrongMan.png">

>>21567890
Agreed with the other Anon, takes practice, make a mental effort to speak more, try to speak clear and loud, it's fine to be a little bit weird don't worry about trying to be perfect, just being able to hold up a normal conversation will put you above 90% of this board.

>>21567021
Mad that you will forever be a bitchless faggot, kill yourself and your family so your pathetic gene pool ends

Welcome to my Tedtalk: How to become fujobait.

Step 1: Fake a low voice.
Step2: groom minors.
Step3: Free money

>>21568127
I'll find it a little difficult to recommend good reverse harem, but I can give you a list of general things that appeal to us to see what kinds of things we like.

Anime
Free! - depicts males almost in a way females in anime have been depicted for so long (but not quite the same in my opinion since it's a sports anime). Works well and was popular because of the character dynamics and development. Did a lot of ship baiting without even having characters kiss. The wet boys showing their muscles was just a bonus. Also true for most other sports anime like Haikyuu.
SK8 The Infinity- same dynamics, but this time has a chaotic hot villain. Good character development, lot pf people related to the villain and even some men found the anime to be pretty entertaining.
Promare- Galo is a good example of acting cool at first then being cute later on. Good reference for that type of personality while being entertained at the same time.
Cute High Earth Defense Club LOVE- just good for cute boys being cute and doing cute boy things. Wasn't too popular, but it was decent. Good reference if you want to know what cute boys doing Sakamoto Desu Ga- Cool boy doing cool things. Good reference if you want to know how to give off confident energy. Even if you're in a situation where you could fuck up, playing it off cool will be remembered more than the fuck up itself.
Meganebu!- more cute boys doing cute things. Also really funny.
Orenchi No Furo Jijo- even more cute boys doing cute things, but with monster boys (which is another extremely rare thing we get).
Watamote- it's good if you want to know what goes on inside the mind of a degenerate female weeb
Hetalia- funny boys doing funny things. You can see the subtle yaoi baiting despite being a mainly comedy series, hence the huge female audience it had back in the good ol' days like >>21568298 said

Games
I haven't played many BL games unfortunately kek but I've played through DMMD. Only has porn in the endings but basically it's popular because of how fucked up it can get. Same with Nitro+ Chiral's other games. Women are into some fucked up shit and I want to tell you this because I don't want anyone to feel like they're walking on eggshells when it comes to dark humor. Remember, majority of women have a rape fetish, so don't be afraid to tell some dark jokes (when appropriate, of course).

>>21561354
JUST BEE URSELF<span class="xae" data-xae="wow">😲</span>

>>21561354
Actually a based post, Well done OP, though I have no interest in being a vtuber it was very interesting to read about the fujos perspective of what they want in a male chuuba.

>>21561354
I suggest you wirte all this down on paper, make a roll, and then shove it up deep in your asshole retard

>>21561354
>An Actual Fujoshi
Here is some advice from an actual human being: kill yourself.
Fujoshit vermin are not tolerated here. Marine is correctly despised for being a fujoshit on this board.

>>21568204
This actually made me curious. Will women saviourfag a man in maintenance?

>>21571301
based based based

>>21571335
Mysta....

>>21561354
>we really are attracted more to your personality than your looks
False, an attractive model can't completely carry a lack of personality but it absolutely helps to garner interest

>>21561354
Honestly anon, I think more importantly than knowing "fujo culture" is another aspect, that is extreme self-confidence and ability to shake off the cringe. That is what Vox does all the time and it's what makes him stand out.
Fulgur knows way more about fujo culture than him and yet isn't able to pull the same numbers. Why? He lacks the confidence that Vox has, he's scared of being cringe, hence how he dropped Disco Elysium after just one day of streaming it, has triggerhappy mods that delete any comments whatsoever, etc.
Now Vox talks about all his cringe FNAF obsessions all the time, plays runescape whenever he likes, burps loudly and doesn't mute, does bad anime-tier lore streams and yet people still love and idolize him. Why? The magic combo of self-confidence and ability to shake off cringe. Without these two, it's impossible to give a try on beating him. And training said two skills requires a minimum a few years of intense grass touching

>>21572644
No offense but I think you might want to read that part again because your response doesn't make sense. I put more emphasis on personality, hence yes, lack of personality would be a detriment even if you have a good model.

>>21572741
Wholeheartedly this. The fujo culture is definitely only one part of it, but you nailed it on the head what makes Vox so popular.

incels aside this is a pretty good thread. thanks fujo anon. got recs for any more in depth reading?

>>21569741
Thanks, I will now begin my research

Vox is fucking shit. He has tiny amount of subs. Call me when he gets a million then we'll talk. At the moment he's the lowest of the low in terms of subs.
Oh and isn't he also a child molester?

>>21574299
>Oh and isn't he also a child molester?
based

>>21574369
>literally a baby fucker
>OMG BASED!
Enablers get the rope too.

>>21574485
dating a 16 year old as an 18 year old is pretty based. means you have a good personality and are sociable.

>>21574525
>dating a 16 year old
Everytime a vox fag defends him the age goes up. She was 12.

>faggots ITT are defending a literal fujo
yeah this board is fucked

>>21574828
They defend Marine all the fucking time, why are you surprised?

>vox: 500k subs
>bpd yeasties: OMG WERE WINNING HOLOLIVE IS DYING!!!
>gura: 4million subs
>NOOO SUBS DONT MATTER!!!
I'm going to laugh when this ugly pussy kills himself because everyone realizes he's a pedo.

>>21574143
Glad I could help! I've got to brush up on some more BL myself, but I can recommend anything by Ayano Yamane is good. Lot of sex though so if you can't handle it, steer clear. Same with Starfighter. Kiss Him, Not Me is good for peeking into the mind of a fujoshi as well, but I haven't finished it yet to give it a fair review. Other than the series that have already been mentioned, I can't think of much else off the top of my head.

If you can find any anime with good male character dynamics interacting with another male character with good dynamics, chances are fujos will be into it even if it's geared toward a primarily male audience (see: My Hero Academia and other shounen anime. That's why there's so much male ship art of those).

>>21574963
marine is hot. fujos aren't.

>>21575295
Marine is a fujo.

>>21575246
>Lot of sex though so if you can't handle it, steer clear.
How do I bring in elements of this without getting overly creepy. There's a lot of build up and characterization for the men in these stories but as a vtuber, new viewers might be creeped out if I come on too strong. They know what to expect when reading these but not so much when they just drop by a stream. Any suggestions on how to create that "atmosphere" for lack of a better word to let viewers anticipate what they can expect to get?

>interacting with another male character with good dynamics,
I haven't found a good male collab partner that I trust with this. Too many of them just devolve into pee pee poo poo jokes with crude humor and lewd noises meant for out of context clipping. I've been looking for male collab partners I can tease out a longer and slower burn when it comes to that tension. It's just a difficult to find them.

But thanks for all the pointers so far, very useful.

>>21575512
yeah but still hot and not as annoying as actual fujos

>>21561354
>if you wish to fujobat
why would i limit my content for a paycheck thatr will take 3 months to come out everytime?
all of luxiem do the same game, content and kind of streams.
Fujos are picky with their content and if you dont pander them all the time they just leave. fuck that might as well become an apex streamer, at elast you will get some vtuber friends.

>>21575741
she isn't hot and she is just as annoying as other fujos. If anything she is worse seen she has drawn BL.

>>21574828
Fujos are some of the smartest people in the world.

>>21575722
Really good questions. I'd say building it up over time isn't a bad thing since it would be a good way to convince (without outright saying so) people to watch VODs (for example, I didn't know why people were shipping Luca with Ike, so I went back and watched both A Way Out streams. They were long, but worth the watch). Don't worry about establishing everything right away because you're right, people may get turned off if you come on too strong one way or another (like Fulgur, lot of people dropped him immediately because he was TOO much of an asshole and didn't play it off right. People warmed up later to him, but it's good to have a few asshole lines little by little instead of bombard people with too much at one time).

When it comes to streams, do things that fit in naturally. If you feel like it should be a chill comfy stream, give the edgy or sexual jokes a rest. If you're streaming a rage game and the more dirty jokes come out, then let it happen. This is why I say to stay true to your own personality if you feel you may not be able to keep up a character for too long. Sometimes things come out even if you don't mean them to, and most people are able to read the room and act when it's appropriate. Think about the atmosphere you wish to create, then ease into it little by little. The viewers will pick up on this as they get to know you.

I see how it can be hard to find a person like that, so it just depends on where you look. The place you look for a person will tell you everything you need to know about the people in that place (like that one scene in Coming To America; you go to a cheap club looking for a partner, you'll likely find cheap trashy girls. You go to a nice place, you'll find nice girls). Just keep it in your mind and you will manifest that which you wish to see. Try to find a small discord group of a handful of chill people. Hell, a tiny private facebook group could even work. You might even meet someone IRL at a convention (conventions are unironically good places to meet like-minded people).

>>21577934
Getting the feeling that this is gonna take a few months to work up and build upon. Thanks for the insight, anon. Got a lot more to think about when it comes to my content now, plus a bunch of reading to do. Cheers.

>>21561354
>I’m sure whatever you’re into is fine too.
You say that, but I don't think many people want to hear me talk about dollfies.

>>21561354
I will not read this
since any advice you give is nullified by not having a deep voice

>>21578320
>nullified by not having a deep voice
you realize that some of the most successful fujobait males have average or higher pitch voices

Some helpful insights in this thread. Really being a vtuber interests me more then any fantalk, some of that down to classic egotism but I do kinda think this whole way of existing through avatars is the future and I'd love to live that, even if only for a bit. Really grieves me that I don't possess any of the basic social, knowledge or vocal requirements for entry at the moment and it really is too much of a pipe dream for me to feel its working on all of them.

>>21578385
Most people here rarely speak to women, let alone enter predominantly female driven content spaces anon. You think they even know what seme or uke means?

>>21578237
Not OP but I'm pretty sure women would flip for a dollfie tuber

>>21578146
Put in the hard work and it will pay off, good luck!

>>21578237
Are you kidding, there's lots of people into those and it's a very dedicated community from the few that I've seen. I'm sure people would absolutely love to see a vtuber who's into something niche. And if you still don't think so, talk about it passionately enough to get other people into it! Most if not everyone who's into something have found it through someone else. Hell I got into stationery collecting just from seeing a friend show pictures of random cute things. You never know if you may create a new fan out of something, but even if you don't, people will still enjoy hearing you nerd out about something you love. You have nothing to lose by talking about it anyway, so might as well give it a go!

>>21578494
It's never too late to start on something. If you work towards your dream, it will happen and will come true. You get back what you put out there, so you might as well put something out there. Do it because you want to see it and use that for motivation. Ganbatte!

>>21578237
You would unironically do amazing, dollfie girls are also rich as fuck and have no one who understands their creepy hobby as long as you don't have a fat person voice. Just have a vtuber model that is dressed slightly frilly and feminine and adopt a shy but passionate demeanor and they will be clawing each other for you

>>21567549
I mostly sleep at around 6 AM Philippine Time.
Yup medyo baliktad ang mundo ko haha

>>21579166
Thank you anon. I just wish there where better places to talk about this then 4chan <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="31" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/0ee6ba1c_FeelsStrongMan.png">

The biggest part I haven't seen anyone bring up is fanart. Fanart is what makes a fujo tick. You can be the best panderer who hits all her right niches with a rich backstory with your teetee partner and she'd still care about another blander vtuber ship because of the fanart. They don't really exist and think about shipping in their head, they must form a community over it and make art/talk about it with others. If you begin your streams right off the bat wanting to pander to female otaku and fujos you're going to do badly if you jump on the yaoi train immediately. I've seen some indies do this and aside from pleasing their 2 out of 5 lifetime fans it does not get you anywhere alone.

>>21579695
So whats the trick to this then? Just a good model? Sometimes I've wondered if a more abstract model might help this.

>>21578876
>>21579166
...I might have to give this a shot then. There's still I want to learn about being a streamer before I jump in but it's good food for thought. I've been on the fence for a while now, just looking at whatever tips and advice I can find.
>>21579364
>as long as you don't have a fat person voice
When I was working in customer service, my voice would get high enough that I've had men and women call me "ma'am" over the phone, so I've got that going for me I guess. I'll keep that in mind while I look at some vtuber artists.

>>21561354
If you scroll thread little bit. You can see the fatso crying over fujo. Go to gym and take a bath. Anyway Good post OP, all of them hit in the place because I have fujo friends who literally shipping A x B just because A being nice B multiple times.

>>21566992
>>21566826
You can actually. But you must become uke who have appearance subtle femboy like Eugeo from Sword Art Online

>>21580164
Something like the new white Holostars boy or ouji style fashion would be perfect for a dollfie fan vtuber.

>>21579364
I endorse this idea for a model

>>21579574
Perhaps I'll stop by /asp/ from time to time since I've gotten quite a few genuine replies in this thread. Looks like sitting through the bad replies was worth it because I got to help some people out!

>>21579695
This is only partially true. You can easily spawn interesting fan art from having interesting streams because those fan arts still depend mainly on you. Art can keep people interested and give them a reason to talk, but in the end it's still on the streamer to create the content to base that fan art off of. We do think about shipping in our head and a lot of fujos who can't draw or write simply blab about it on twitter to their friends and it can spread even by that way. Even jokes among a few friends can grow into a meme that helps spread the word of the VTuber. Talking about it with others is a bonus but not always a necessity. The rest I agree on with starting the pandering right off the bat. It can probably explain why most fujoshi love slow burn stories; dragging it out and building that tension is more appealing because it helps the viewer get more connected to the characters.

>>21579890
I've seen some of the plainest most boring generic designs get insanely popular, so it doesn't really matter design wise. But if you want something that will appeal to a larger audience, the safest way to go is a bishounen design with long pretty hair. We love shota too so if you have a higher pitched and/or soft voice you can be a shota. Non-human boys are good for attracting the more freaky fan artists that will draw some weird shit for you (I also secretly want this because I love shota monster boys).

>>21579890
A good model and not being a 2view. If you want to refine your fujo pandering you can't be streaming to literally no one unless you're something like a BL reviewer (Fulgur was this in his PL and got viewers for being the danmei guy)
>>21580665
To get quality fanart you need to be decently popular or else unpopular but interesting people would have quality fanart, especially in the male indie side, and yet they do not.

>>21580665
Can you name some EN Shota/Femboy vtubers so I can get some inspiration?

>>21575121
He's a pedo? Fucking based! <img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/fad6951c_Pog.png">

>>21575121
<span class="xae" data-xae="eyeroll">🙄</span>

>>21581672
>My Lord! you have my permission to molest me, I can take it like an adult
My fucking sides.

>>21581196
Unfortunately I don't know many since I recently got into VTubers, but I do enjoy SmolAndStronk on twitch. Adorable femboy model, memelord, very soft chill voice with chill streams. Avoids drama like an infectious disease. Got his start doing general anime memes and then took it to VTubing. Still a small audience but is growing steadily. I wish I knew more but all I can do is suggest things me and other female fans would like to see in a shota or femboy VTuber.

>>21561354
>we really are attracted more to your personality than your looks
Fucked either way then, pitty

>>21561354
Are you sexually frustrated?

>>21580355
>only unwashed fatsos hate fags and fag enablers
fucking retard
fujos ruin everything they touch, they are somehow worse than c/u/cks

>>21586005
>worse than c/u/cks
last time i checked out of all the fujo vtuber pairs and the yuri vtuber pairs, it's the yuri ones that split up more often due to their fans <img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="27" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/ad2977e6_FeelsWeirdMan.png">

>>21561354
WALL OF TEXT
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not gonna read your heretic mumbling <img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/48c107b3_monkaChrist.png">

>>21575121
>expecting people from /here/ to hate a pedophile
this is not twitter or reddit, faggot. go back
<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="27" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/ad2977e6_FeelsWeirdMan.png">

>>21587390
All I want is for someone in Holo or niji to see it. That's all it takes. Maybe vshojo. Just someone who knows that this fat ugly cunt called vox molested a real 12 year old kid. I bet by now at least one niji talent has seen vox is a literal pedophile lol.

>>21587390
Lolicons are based.
Pedos get the rope.
You fat fucking greasy brown bitch.
Take a shower you stinking pig.

>>21588159
>ust someone who knows that this fat ugly cunt called vox molested a real 12 year old kid.
>he's still trying to push the fake made up story from a tumblrpost
we've seen it before. all the screencaps were edited and the ones that weren't were all taken out of context.

>>21586251
Most fujohaters are stuck in 2006 and think Gaia Online is still a thing. Anyone who actually cares about fan spaces has long since come to terms with fujoshis space inside fandoms. For one, they're a fucking amazing filter for normalfags, which is godlike nowadays considering the abject infestation of normies online.

>>21561354
Honestly as a fujoanon I'm just not into EN chuubas, I like my anime boys to be Japanese. This is still decent advice though.

>>21588392
Oh fuck you've started to panic haven't you you stupid fucking ugly cunt.
It's real.
He's a pedo.
The talent behind vox akuma molested a 12 year old child.

Sisters I request reverse harem recommendations.
Also I would like to know what kind of lewd stuff does yumejos enjoys in their smut.

>>21588848
>It's real.
>He's a pedo.
>The talent behind vox akuma molested a 12 year old child.
source: just trust me bro

>>21580164
Like that other anon said, something like Uyu from Holostars could work.

>>21587390
We don't support harming real kids. Even lolicons and shotacons should differentiate fiction and reality.

>>21565216
At very least please overtake Omegatranny's position in HoloEN. That troon really don't know shits

kek you fucking retards will never be anime

>>21592710
fuck you, ometroon keeps holo en safe and segregated from the filth of vshojo, niji en and males
thank you based ometranny

Oh hey I went out and this thread is still up, nice. I've been ignoring the haters so far but I've gotta thank them for bumping the thread.

>>21588894
Unfortunately I don't know many beside the popular stuff, but I've been enjoying idolish7 if that helps. Trigger's songs are the best in my opinion if you also want to watch it for music. I recommend their album REGALITY. Since I'm a fujoshi and not a yumejoshi, I can't give much advice on what they find hot smut-wise. For the most part, I think all women like a man who is possessive and/or protective. Men that give all their attention to the woman and let her know that she's the only one in the world might be very appealing to them. Anything that makes a woman feel comfort could be a universally enjoyable thing.

>>21565216
>>Gura falls in love with me
>he doesn't know <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/c2e2602a_bog.png">

>>21561354
Hello OP, what do you think of non humanoid characters such as Debi Debi debiru from Niji for example. Would you watch it and be interested if they had any endearing relationship with other livers? Because I'm saddened that there are a lot of monster characters in anime but so few in vtubing. I guess that livers really love too much having human models.

>>21588894
In the mobile game department there's idolish7 and A3! that are very popular with both nip and en/sea girls, they have animes and the main female character has a "canon" ship even if she's nice with all the boys (keep in mind both pushed ships are with the mature older scary men with a hidden heart of gold) but they're never canon
Further up the thread there are anime-only recommendations.

>>21601927
Cute model and if they have interesting streams I would watch. Personally I think if there's going to be a non-human model it would need to have more humanoid features than that. At least with the top half. Something cute and mascot-like would work well because women love cute things and if they had an endearing relationship with their fellow vtubers, then that would definitely add to their charm. I share your sentiment and wish there were a lot more non-human models, I think companies play it really safe when it comes to designs unfortunately. But hey, that's where the fans come in. If you demand it enough, it could happen. If enough people contact a company and tell them what they want to see, most of the time they do listen.

>>21601927
Debidebi is a filter to some because he is in kayfabe mode 24 fucking 7. Girls may also like mascot characters (sanrio) but even Sanrio debuted a human vtuber instead of a mascot. Mascots are hard to pull off. They aren't as human and expressive.

>>21561354
ywnbaw

but this is unironically good advice

>>21572741
>hence how he dropped Disco Elysium
Is this a yab game?

>>21602846
Anon there are no trans girls into yaoi, they're all lesbians.

>>21603377
I haven't seen that stream but it just might be.

>>21603377
It's probably the best story heavy RPG of 2019, but it contains plenty suicide mentions, you can choose racist and woman-hater as alignments, you can mock your asian partner into a caricature, a lot of bad rolls go into some "i hate niggers/faggots/women" tangent, so yes, kind of a yab prone controversial game

>>21603646
This is true, a fujo is way more likely to be a cis woman because she is actually attracted to men. It's not exactly a huge secret.

>>21603646
Disco Elysium has a crazy amount of political satire, and people are too retarded to differentiate overall ideology from actual politics. It also covers a lot of topics that you might not want to have on stream, like:
>sexuality
>race
>how your personal identity can interfere with your view of reality
If you're trying to avoid nuanced shit like that as a streamer, which is pretty reasonable considering a 10s clip could end your career, it's definitely easy to yab.
Of course, if you're able to differentiate fiction from reality and can explain it your audience, there's probably not a huge issue. Definitely easy to yab if you flunk a social roll and the MC's attempts to insult the racist NPC accidentally turns into HOW DO YOU DO MY FELLOW WHITES, even if it is hilarious.

>>21600926
>>21602213
Thanks for the recommendations, I really don't mind the popular stuff as I'm a complete newbie on the genre who hasn't heard about most of the stuff that has been posted on this thread. <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/5de4addd_KannaNom.png">

>>21565333
>>21561354
Yeah this is actually really useful, but none of the males here will actually take any of the advice and continue to make the same mistakes because
>woman reeee

>>21602846
Fujos are the most trans-bare subsection of otaku ever.
>FTMs hate fujos for "fetishizing gay men"
>MTFs hate yaoi for daring to display men

>>21604925
Is it true that there is a schism in fujodom between the ones that are only in for the fetish and the faggot pandering "queer representation" twitter crowd? <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="27" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/ec538b5c_Thonk.png">

Actual good thread, just gonna drop my IP here

>>21605703
YES. Fucking yes. 100000% fucking yes. I'm so glad you bought this up.

I'll try not to go too long about this but I need to really fucking let this out. The whole "BL is queer representation and qweer wimminz of colur enjoy qweer content uwu" bullshit is nothing but an excuse to appeal to antis. No one ever has and actually looks at two cute anime boys kissing and thinks "muh representation uwuwwuuwuwu". There is some overlap between queer people liking or feeling connected to some character dynamics and situations in BL, but twitter schizos make it way more deep than it is. I'll take myself as an example; I'm asexual and don't feel attracted to either sex, so I enjoy yaoi because it doesn't involve women and it doesn't involve "me" so it's enjoyable because I feel uncomfortable looking at things that involve "me" (self-insert, anything involving a woman, etc). I can look at this sexy object without wanting it for myself. But I wouldn't go so far as to start parading it around as an accomplisment because I "found my sexuality" or it helped me "come to terms with my queerness". It may be the case for some, but I specifically hate when twittards think authors should win an award for "muh LGBT representation" when 10 times out of 10 it was drawn for nothing more than schlick material. I fucking hate "fujos" that like to immediately attach the term LGBT to anything remotely gay with a burning passion because they're just fucking doing it to impress underage ironic lesbian kpop stans who send death threats to artists just for drawing two anime boys looking at each other. Fucking hell there's even this one artist who is cisgendered and bisexual that likes to CONSTANTLY quote tweet these retarded underage FtM antis with "uHmMMM!!! ACKSHUWALLY how do you know I'm cis????? I'm not straight you know. Many queer and not cishet folx are into BL!!! Take that, you're homophobic now" and I CANNOT fucking stand it. What do you have to prove to these teenagers? Why are you going out of your way to impress these tweens who have no idea how to fucking behave on the internet? You can explain a 63 tweet long thread of resources from therapists, LGBT people, trauma survivors, and other related groups but they're still going to tell you to kill yourself on tweet number 64. God these people are so pretentious and I hate them so much for adding all this shit. I don't even want to associate with "the LGBT community" because of these fucking people. It's fiction, nothing but a fantasy. It's not supposed to be that deep and I hate them for trying to relate fantasy so much to real life shit. Fuck.

>>21605703
Yes and it makes me unable to look for fanart unless I type lang:jp to avoid all the english speaking spergs. Ignoring anon's self sexuality rant, it's just retarded to read stories written BY women about men fucking each other in the butt and impregnating each other with dog dicks then turn around and not only say that this is empowering to gay men, but bashing all women who are into it. There's a lot of fujo hate from biological females, mostly HS/college age.
If you want an example they even say this shit on /y/ ( >>>/y/2943292 ) and the last remaining anons there shut those spergs down quick, but we've lost some good generals due to zoomer females freaking out at fujos existing on a fucking board made for posting images where 99 times out of 100, it is drawn by a woman. Did I mention they're the type to cry pedo over 17 year old characters

>>21607969
tldr but sounds similar to issues in the yuri community

>>21561354
>>21564893
>>21565333
As a gay man, this whole thread is an eye opening experience to me. The similarities and differences between what I want from male vtubers vs fujos are very interesting. Thank you for posting this.

appreciate your effort OP, no ill-will towards your psych 101: the post rundown.
for the dudes actually taking this shit seriously, if you want be Luxiem: sloppy-seconds edition go right ahead, but any man that wants to walk a path already explored is a fucking retard and deserves to fail. Aside from like a couple indies, there isnt one EN male chuuba that is trying to cultivate a primarily male audience in any substantial way, but half you faggots are slurping up this fujofag shit. This is why most dudes categorically spit on any attempt you keep making cause its the same fucking mistake every time.
>inb4 "b-b-but there's no market for that kind of chuuba..."
then make one you weak-willed faggots

>>21609301
insecure male detected

>>21609301
That's why there's 0 fujo pandering male vtubers, it's overdone and muh market saturation, right gotcha <span class="xae" data-xae="think">🤔</span>

>>21607969
I'm glad I brought it up, go off sis kek <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/57b01648_nepSmug.png">

>>21608927
>The similarities and differences between what I want from male vtubers vs fujos are very interesting
Please show us those differences and similarities, Vox also has gay fans.

>>21561354
Ok mane-chan

>>21608362
Yeah I didn't mean to get into detail about that but I had to emphasize that we find them annoying too. I don't want to think about shit deeply I want to look at cute boys kissing. There's so many comments like those that I don't even go on /y/ anymore, it's full of self-righteous gay men and aydens who just can't keep women out of their heads and they really will argue about anything. This comment >>>/y/2943611 nailed it on the head in the second part, 99% of the problems facing fandoms would disappear if these idiots would just fucking ignore these retards. They are only looking for attention and are given that attention by constantly talking to and about them.

>>21608408
Damn you guys go through this shit too? Sorry to hear, didn't know you guys had this struggle as well since yuri seems more widely accepted than yaoi these days..

>>21610989
Your rant felt cathartic to me despite me having no dog on this fight <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/b674048b_MikuStare.png">

>>21610989
In a sense the vtuber fanbase is the only place where I can freely <span class="xae" data-xae="baw">😭</span> with wild and silly and wild and silly appreciators with people who type in English on both twitter and 4chan, they're run out of everywhere else and I hate /cm/ and their new /soc/ mods

>>21608927
So glad I could provide some perspective!

>>21610695
Vox may have gay fans but I think the majority of the things he does appeals moreso to women than men. There's the gender-specific things (calling chat a "good girl", etc) but it's something else about the way he talks, can't quite put my finger on it. I don't think I can explain it well anyway since I'm not a gay man so I won't talk on that.

>>21612267
If the gay men in question have a daddy fetish Vox is a literal goldmine considering when he was drunk he couldn't stop saying how much he loves being called daddy, he also does degredation rp often

>>21612525
>he loves being called daddy
mr. coom I kneel...

I swear to god, If I have to sit in on one more stream where the chat is being practically flooded with the word "daddy" by females with the likely personality of a fucking plank, I am going to an hero in nijinigger minecraft.

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>>21610989
Tons of oldguard classic fan circles are getting destroyed by the new generation of 'fans'. It's just as bad as when the AOT tumblr boom happened, but these people aren't larping as edgelords for their first 'edgy show', they're just exhaustingly self-righteous.
How do you fuck up SHIPPING? Even if I didn't like a pairing, I would just argue about why mine was better, I wouldn't just go 'ummm, abusive relationship much???' Who gives a shit? They're not fucking real.
At least in the old days we just mocked fujos and shippers by going 'lmao not canon', this is just frustrating and makes me feel bad for the younger generation who's being taught they're not allowed to like things because its bad in real life, and fiction is the same as reality. So if you enjoy things that are wrong in reality only in fiction, you're a terrible person. I'm sure that won't result in a generation of ultra-repressed weirdos.

>>21614216
>>21614319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNJf_lyI87Q&t=6727
Just look at the speed of his chat (in slow mode)
>>21614482
>lmao not canon
Fujos fight each other over the status of canon when it comes to shipping now, all the newfag infiltrators are worried about "queerbaiting"

All right I've gotta go to bed now, work and studying to do tomorrow. I just want to say it's been an absolute pleasure helping people out in not just advice for vtubing but improving yourself as a person. I hope all of you reach your goals and have your dreams come true. Good night and shine on!

>>21561354
>Despite what you’ve been told, we really are attracted more to your personality than your looks
You managed to convince me until you got to this part

>>21564785
>>21565202
Starsfag here, would like to add some things from a male group liker. First, no group with the amount of merchs and collabs holostars have is a failure, they don't have the huge fans luxiem have sure, but they have a loyal core fans who would buy every shit connected to stars.
Holostars did have a terrible beginning, what >>21565202 said are mostly true and at the time there's a lack of support from cover too but they have inclined since. They also lost 3 members but the remaining ones kept grinding until they can have 3d models and then a live.

Since this thread was about fujobait, then let me tell you about holostars' own fujobait; hanakishi. This pair is not just a pair dedicated to bait shipping out of fans, but something that came out naturally. They collabed often because they have same interest and they are closest to each other in the group. They also never go overboard with the teasing, so the ones who didn't care for this stuff can see them as bffs instead.

>>21615546
>never go overboard
That entire month of tickling each other at Aruran's house and going camping in the same bed changed me

>>21561354
You will never be a real woman

>>21563544
<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/25908e08_PepeLmao.png">

>>21561354
Hi fujo, I'm a yumejoshi. :konata: I'll answer some of these questions too.
>>21563582
>First impressions women like?
Beyond just what women like, first impressions are everything in vtubing. You really need to be a nobody vtuber and listen to what people think of you, women especially before a big debut like Nijisanji EN for example. If women are treating you lukewarm, you're not going to get them just because you join NijiEN or Holostars EN. Contrast weak Holostar JP debuts and study them compared to how strong Vox's first impression was. He had perfect control over his voice and all girls were paying attention to specifically him before he even debuted.
>How do I change my top/bottom role if I get put into one I don't like?
I'd first of all accept someone calling you an uke for example, laugh at it a bit. Then slowly try to reverse it with more dom moments over time. If you force it too hard like your friend, you will be laughed at. A man who's truly on top doesn't have to try to be anything, he just simply is strong so people listen to him.
Also, you must almost always be a dom if you want to cater to yumejoshi. If you get the uke label, stick to fujos.
>Do you want in-character always?
If you "normal" character is too weak it'd ruin it. For example, if your in-character is a strong daddy type, but in members only you're just some guy, it can destroy immersion, ironically for your best payers. Just be something that's not too far from your normal self so it's not such a big difference.
>Subtle or confident?
Confident, but not obnoxious or cocky. This will be a fine line you'll need to learn to walk if you want to top. I only personally want someone that actually sounds like a top or strong man, but that's typical of yumejoshis. There's too many femboy, soft boys, autistic sound/bad lisps, gay sounding and I don't pay attention to them at all. I personally want him to talk, act mostly straight (if he's with his genmates and flirting it's fine.) and can command the room, gently.
>What gap moe do I like?
I personally don't like gap moe because it's usually accidental or can show miscasting. A female example would be Bae being cast as Chaos, but she's not chaotic at all. Don't try to do gap moe or think too much about it, it's supposed to be something unintentional.
>What other demographics are on the female side? What about straight?
That's yumejoshi and that's why I'm posting here. A lot of the Fujoshi OP's advice runs counter to hooking yumejoshi. If you can act straight, confident, and dom and have the voice to pull it off, similar to Vox or pleasantly masculine, it can send you into your own niche that's actually been untapped.
>Handcam?
For fujo's soft little boyish hands are perfect for the uke stereotype. But I'd immediately drop out. You have to have nice, noticeably big hands. I personally would like to see some veins and some strength to the arms, like you work out.

>>21565749
>some men tend to have this preconceived notion that women don't like hear ing men talk about nerdy things
That's cause that's generally the case in real life but I guess things are different when it's done through a screen.
Also I guess there being no social pressurr to act as if you're interested of you really aren't helps too

>>21618805
>I only personally want someone that actually sounds like a top or strong man, but that's typical of yumejoshis. There's too many femboy, soft boys, autistic sound/bad lisps, gay sounding and I don't pay attention to them at all.
Well there goes my chance.

>>21620074
>That's cause that's generally the case in real life
no, even in real life, i love listening to men talk about their hobbies and interests. i find it's mostly other men who shame each other into bottling it up.

>>21561354
>Too much hopeful thinking, idealism and self-insertion really
Do you really believe all you said this thread or are you just larping?
It was somewhat entertaining tho

>>21620074
I don't think I can ever recall a time in my life where a girl told me to stop talking about a topic I like. It's always guys and my friends who do this. Mind you, I'm not rambling unprompted, it arises when the topic comes around.

>>21621126
It's more like everyone's heard of those horror stories of the enthusiastic wow fan babbling on about his level 69 paladin to some girl he met at the local game shop who clearly couldn't be less interested if she tried but the guy just can't get the hint

>>21621280
that's because the girl he met at the local game shop just wants to pick up the game she bought and has on hold. she doesn't want to chitchat with some random guy who rambles on about his own wow character. that's not the case when you're streaming because they're literally there and watching your stream for you.

context is important. sucks that many guys don't get it.

>>21574525
dating a 14 year old as a 16 year old*

>>21561354
Cool blogpost sister, when did you start your transition?

Although I'm good at video games, I really can't stay playing for hours straight, so I do admire Pomu's tenacity with this game

>>21621280
You wouldn't do this to uninterested people in stores, why are girls suddenly different

>>21621280
While my female friends never told me to shut up
But I can say for sure that is because they are just not rude enough to say so, hardly they were interested in any subject that also interested me
Being realistic I would argue that they, like most people, were only looking to have fun and help their loneliness

>>21621280
wow fans, rightfully, understand that their hobby is shameful and shouldn't be brought up unprompted.

>>21618805
Thanks Anon, seeing your feedback gives me the impression of Fujos and Yumes being on polar opposites. But I do have to wonder if there's a chance or a way to pander to both sides and satisfy them. A common denominator on the preferences of both sides would be really helpful.

>>21622227
Vox is this.

so have a deeper voice?
got it

>>21622604
t. tiny dicked male who can't read

>>21607969
i don't remember posting this

>>21561354
Oh, I've done all these long time ago

now what do I do?

>>21623328
if you're still here, you haven't

>>21622227
Fujos and Yumes exist in every male vtuber fandom. You just have to know which one makes a majority of your audience and make sure not to upset them. The minority will just gladly do fanart and fanfiction.

>>21618805
I'd argue that you don't have to always be dominant using Ike as an example. He's kind, polite and has a high voice that only goes higher but still has a lot of yumejo fans. The points that he does have though that potentially help cultivate this are the 'yandere Ike' fandom that spawned from literally one stream, and his metal screams. If any /asp/ here want to go look at the casts for otome games, you'll see a range of characters in them. The one thing that usually makes the softly spoken and kind seeming ones popular in those though is usually when they're the type who'll lock the player in a cage. You wouldn't even have to play into it much if you have a softer voice and are going for the yume audience, just a little hint here and there to fuel the fantasies.

It's also inevitable that you'll end up with fujo fans no matter what you do, even if they're a minority in your fandom if you even collab once with another guy, there will be someone out there that will start shipping the two of you.

>>21566550
https://youtu.be/43UJjjaF-2o

>>21588407
No I fucking hate gay men and anyone who supports them, thats why I hate fujos.

>>21561354
okay

>>21630470
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>>21622227
One factor to note is that, the v tuber himself not really making a huge deal about it.

One advantage males have over females is that male vtubers have little or no backlash when it comes to collaborations with different genders. This is due to the idol mentality not being nurtured well enough on the guys. Plus the male side of v tubing back then was a niche covered by Nijisanji, and they essentially set the standards of the fans for male v tubers, this is seen in their sister company virtureal, Aza and Roi are the ones i can think on the top of my head. Despite collaborating with girls they had very little backlash and even went and did 3d concerts with a bunch of them.

Vox does pander to various fandoms, he panders to fujoshis with his interactions with luxiem, panders to those wishing a boyfriend experience and panders to others with his gaming/tryhard/ oddball streams like his fnaf streams. He panders to ahipers by doing his shtick with reimu, has the added benefit of the yumejos self inserting as reimu( this is a bit weird and more of a vope by the yumejos on billi billi but they surprisingly calmed down after the few collabs they did.)

If you're curious as to how the SEA and EA fandom handles this, they really don't give much ducka, save for the few rotten apples, most od which are in billi billi and 2chan.

>>21561354
tl;dr: whore yourself shamelessly and keep spamming celebration stream.

>>21581672
is this the equivalent of UOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH