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CURRENT PROMPTS

>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about the food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What are the common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much does the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?

>>21399623
Ryona sheep!

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>>21400638
Oh silly WARanon, how am i supposed to pinch your chubby cheeks if you wear that mask? I think you spend too much time in war you dont appreciate the cuteness in life. Dont you just wanna play with some cutie risuners? come ere and cuddle our fwuffy tails and let me pat your head uwu <3

>>21380772
Did a simple-ish climate zoning for /kfp/.
Climate and seasons:
>/kfp/ can be roughly divided between 2~3 major climate zones.
>Coastal area south of the mountain, as well as the southernmost part of the northwest valley, is mostly subtropical/temperate monsoon, with the southern slope of the mountain getting steadily colder as altitude increases. Snow will be uncommon outside the highland bordering the alpine tundra.
> In the coastal area (Cwa), summer will be hot and wet, and winter cold and dry. As altitude increases (Cwb~Cwc), the temperature difference between seasons will reduce, becoming an "eternal spring" climate where seasonal difference is primarily rainfall.
>Inland area north of the mountain is mostly continental monsoon. It has the classic four-season climate, with significant rainfall during the summer months. The higher area north of the mountain is consistently dry all year due to the small rain shadow effect of the mountain, and its altitude also renders it colder.
>Around the summit of the mountain (altitude above 2500~3000m), the weather becomes consistently cold and most trees can no longer develop. Patches of cold-resistant and/or clonal trees might persist, but the landscape will be mostly hardy grass and moss.

Natural biome:
>Before civilisation, the majority of /kfp/ lowland temperate broadleaf forests. The southern coast might be considered temperate rainforests, while the northern area gradually transforms into mixed broadleaf and coniferous forest as temperature decreases. In continental climates, land at higher elevations and far from sources of water (primarily rivers) will be temperate grassland more suitable for animal husbandry.
>Common hardwood in /kfp/ forest includes ash, beech, chestnut, elm, hickory, oak; common softwood includes cedar, fir, pine, and spruce.
>Productive climate and generally favourable soil quality (lime and fertiliser might be needed) mean the majority of land in /kfp/ will be suitable for intensive agriculture. Wheat, maize and millet are generally suitable for all lowland areas, while the south is also suitable for rice growth, and the north is suitable for more cold-resistant foodstuff like barley and oat.
>Examples of common non-food crops in /kfp/ include beet, groundnut, basedbean, tea (in the southern highland), peaches, pear, apple, cotton (in the south), flax, and tobacco.

>>21401246 (Me)
Miscellaneous thoughts:
>In general, the environment is most similar to a somewhat warmer southern Central Europe (northern Italy, Austria, and Southern Germany), or a more hilly Midwestern United States. Subtropical highland does not exist in Central Europe or the Great Plains, but is present in the southern Himalayas or southwestern China.
>The map does not show any ice caps in /kfp/, although you might get some icy summits if the main mountains above ~4000m.
>/kfp/ have two main areas that would be able to support large-scale agriculture and thus a large population and government (circled in purple in the previous post), separated by mountains and different general climates. Do they have different cultures before becoming part of the same country? Do they prefer to have their own government?
>The eastern river splits into two rivers, which natural rivers don't really do. I suggest that it is artificial instead, maybe with a short canal connecting the two rivers (circled in red in the previous post). Perhaps it was originally used to transport agricultural products from the east westward?
>Subtropical highlands will experience intense rainfall during the wet season. Since most of the rivers originating at the south slope of the main mountain drain into the same river south of the capital, the riverbanks will be seasonally flooded, especially near the estuary where the terrain no longer constricts water. A side effect of this is that the riparian wetland will become very fertile farmland once the wetland is drained and protected by dykes. Indeed, this might be one of the practical reasons why the capital is built immediately north of it - to control the downstream breadbasket while not as subjected to the flooding.
>I tried my best to match the general environment of Austria while staying within the realm of plausibility. It ends up being a warmer version of High German area plus the Venetian Plain, with a bit of Nepal thrown in. Hope you like tea and risotto!

bump

The goddess has once again absconded from her place on the mountain tonight. Rumors abound, though the Faithful relay her urge to look to the stars.

How many members of the Hololive Empire secretly hates /hlg/, the capital?

>>21406904
Dunno, the current capital would be /hlgg/ instead, wouldn't it?

>>21406904
How micro-managementy is that empire? I feel like multiple holo nations value their right to self-determination.

>>21405247
>1700s technology
>Deathstar
Damn, deadbeats are the real tech accelerators.

>>21409068
Since we have a lot of splits I'd say federalized and autonomous. While there wouldnt be friction or conflict over self-determination, some kingdoms and princedoms would not like being ordered by the capital to share resources around for 'unity'
/hlgg/ is a hub capital where people from every split visit.
Maybe the split with the LEAST visit to the capital?

>>21401246
>>21401316
that is incredibly cool, thanks a lot!
I could just update the one river in my map file to originate from the Subtropical highland and edit in the climate zones

LIVE

>>21413407
Can't do much until I get home. Sorry.

>>21409367
What kind of person is the emperor?

>>21416560
there's a different emperor every day chosen from the general populace, he does nothing but preach rrats in the streets

>>21401246
Inserted your data in the original map file, what do you think?

Do not die.

did anyone ever bring up what a thread being archived is like in world? is that a change in leadership or does it just not have an equivalent

>>21424579
it's irrelevant. the thread continues regardless. if you want something to compare it to, just say it's a new era or something.

>>21425823
works for me

>>21399563
/nasa/
Under the "Winds of change" story in our archive the 2nd post isn't actually a part of the story, so i would like to ask for it to be archived as a separate lorepiece, if it's not too much trouble. thank you!
t. anon who wrote the first part and is wracking his brain over the second part atm

>>21426974
I want to open debate up in /nasa/ first. I'm thinking about doing it on the weekend where hopefully Sanalites have more time staying up late. We do live in different time zones.

>>21399563
>>21374165
/meat/ liked it after a bit of discussion. So requesting anchor. Will need to continue this story sometime later.

>>21419127
Looks about right!

>>21426974
Ouch, sorry about that. Will correct that.

>>21427449
Oh yea, currently finishing up the small snippet of part 2 that i will post on /nasa/ in a bit. It should hopefully explain in what direction i want to take the story, but i will not act without consulting the thread first.

>>21417627
By preach in the streets I assume City 17 style broadcasts

>>21426974
>2nd post isn't actually a part of the story
I can tell it's written by a different anon trying to expand on the first one. Is it bad?

>>21429314
It's not bad, not at all, i don't consider any lore bad. It's just that i want to tell a specific story with set characters in one specific location in one specific moment in time.

I am already planning on including a reference to that specific interraction our diplomat had in /hlgg/ i guess?, but sandwiching it between parts like that would break the flow, i'm afraid.

I am kind of a bookworm, so i take things like the flow kinda seriously

>>21429903
Maybe it happened before the station lift. An interquel
/nasa/ sent out diplomats to discuss with their neighbours
And after they pay the capital a visit, the deal with /who/ passes

>/nasa/ station's principal isn't popular with /nasa/ women because he's not gay enough.
>Instead /nasa/ station's principal becomes popular with native girls because he's a straight chad.

Thoughts?

>>21431477
Personally i was envisioning him sorta like this, just with a more serious face.

>>21430163
as for the timeline, i would personally place that interaction a few weeks, maybe, before station lifted. But that is just so that the Principal in my story would already be aware of the tome in question and the implication it carries so as to make a reference to it. I am definitely up for discussing it further if the anon that wrote it is up for it. Story collaborations are really fun.

>>21431899
>the Oldest Sanalite becomes popular with the native girls.
kino

A minor thought exercise: /uuu/-/who/ is basically Cascadia in terms of climate, while /nasa/ is a colder and more desolate Yukon. I guess lowland /who/ having a Mediterranean climate makes sense given Mumei's theme, eh?

>>21434103
Hmm, I'd love to keep the Oceanic climate we had thought, I was already working on those assumptions too.

>>21401246
>>21419127
>>21434103
How tf you all do this? bruh

>>21434103
Would /uuu/ be more of an English forest or a Nordic one?

>>21432249
I think the formal term is 'round robin writing'

>>21434260
Despite the name, the weather isn't actually that similar to the Mediterranean - as the Koppen code indicates, it's more like a mix between Mediterranean rainfall pattern (dry-ish summer, wet winter) and Oceanic temperature, so it's more like Seattle and Portland than Rome and Athens if that helps.

>>21434344
Probably more similar to English (although it's also present in western Norway and southern Sweden) since it's warmed by a warm current, hence you'll see more broadleaf trees in the south (although it starts to mix together the further north and inland you go).

>>21434344
The power of autism and too much free time. Having access to old map atlas (picrel) that has too much information also helps pinning down some of the more obscure information you can't easily find on the internet.

>>21435225
>so it's more like Seattle and Portland
Ah, that does help a bit, it means I don't have to rewrite lore.

>>21435225
Did you mean to tag >>21434558 ?

>>21435788
Yeah, I do try to keep things consistent with lore unless they're really incompatible. It also doesn't help my case that Koppen classification has names that don't always correlate to everyday usage (hence you get Mediterranean Vancouver and subtropical New York City), and that biome doesn't also align with climate zones in nature (although deforesting lowland /who/ without replanting will turn its forest into shrubland or - more likely - farmland, olive groves, and vineyards).

>>21435955
Oh.
Yes. Thanks for the correction.

>>21436227
I was wondering if /uuu/ could have giant redwood trees.

Proposed addition to /who/'s general lore:
Foodstuffs:
Greenhouses near urban centres cultivate more crops that don't grow as well in the republic's climate such as tomatoes. Although some are used to grow exotic plants and fruits, they are limited in number and only serve the demand of wealthier citizens.

Due to a relative shortage of wheat(most wheat farms are military-owned), urban bakers and rural farmers use boiled potatoes or potato flour to stretch out the wheat flour. Although potato bread doesn't last as long as wheat bread, due to its moist and fluffy texture it's one of the national food of the Republic, a staple besides the usual beef and potatoes. Bakers working in the joint /nasa/-/who/ industrial bakery also make potato rolls for the republic's burger chains. The airy buns are perfect for hamburgers due to their pillowy texture, sweet flavour and crispy crusts when toasted.

Host to a growing working class, both in number and income, cities in the republic have developed a restaurant culture. Bistros serve more well-off workers(often white-collar) looking for meals that are closer to home-cooked and high-end establishments serve the wealthy and middle-class citizens. Though most still workers fill their stomachs in canteens of their respective factories.

Economics, resources, goods production, and industry:
Despite failures to introduce cash crops on a large scale, vineyards and wine production are an important component of the republic's export. Vineyards are distributed in the lowlands of the west and some areas in the east. Most wines produced in the west are dry red wines, whereas the east mostly produces whites.
Betraying the image of rugged, crude products made by the republic, wines produced by some regions are prized in many countries. Of particular note are the sparkling white wine of the eastern, mountainous province and dry red wine of the coastal provinces.
While the working class prefer the stronger distilled potato spirits and cold beers, wines are frequently drunk by the growing urban middle class and used extensively in cooking. Pickling meat and vegetables, adding bite to stews, or even cleaning, vinegar made from wine has many uses.

note: Since /Who/ is basically France in terms of climate and the rough geographical location vis-à-vis
irl earth I want to incorporate something about wine production in there.
Also, the restaurant part can be axed as there isn't any lore on the economic make-up of the population and it isn't really that important.

>>21437289
Representative here:
>foodstuffs
Looks nice, makes sense, It's getting integrated
>vineyards
I'll reduce that, the Republic itself hasn't had the time or material conditions up until that point to mantain expensive cultivations as vineyards would be, meaning it would be a very expensive product for most of the population and only reserved for the rich and luxury exports, maybe in the future of the Republic vineyards will become more common and easily available for most due to growing demand, but as of now it's limited.

>>21437254
True redwood trees require a drier summer, so they might be rare in /uuu/ outside the southern border. It's still suitable for other giant trees like Douglas fir (featured on Cascadia's flag) and western hemlock. With time, (maybe) chuubanite, and /uuu/ not overlogging them like what happened to IRL, they can well grow to be larger than sequoia.

>>21438384
To be fair, being rare and expensive (perhaps unreasonably so, but I digress) is basically what wines are known for. The fact that grapes will likely be competing with wheat production when it comes to land use also probably means its development will be limited by the state to ensure a steady supply of food to the military although someone influential enough in the system might decide they want some fine wine too.
Other than that, the lack of cash crop and plants seem to check out, although part of me doubts the relative lack of wheat is entirely natural...
The closest there is to cash crop that can reasonably be grown in /who/ would be things like flax and apple (and related fruits like pears). Reasonably useful (flax can be used to make vegetable oil and libre, while fruits gives /who/ diet to those who can afford it a bit more variety), but not exactly conventional cash crops that you can make a lot of money exporting.

>>21439588
All reasonable points, originally, I wrote about the relative lack of wheat being in comparison to potato production which overshadows every other crop, flax would probably be used to help fuel the cloth industry and apple trees would surely be a common sight across the land and maybe even the cities, large scale farming of apples would be quite a bit more limited thought.

>>21440517
Well, potato is pretty versatile, so I won't be surprised that more land (especially in the inland region) is devoted to potatoes compared with wheat as well. It's just that the discussion above makes me wonder if the fact that the military prefers a stable supply of wheat to themselves over making the most money off growing crops results in an artificial side of the relative rarity.
As for apple trees, one neat thing about apples is that apple trees that grow from seeds can be very different from the parent trees in terms of fruit quality, which is why apples we eat tend to come from plant cutting and grafting. The "wilder" apples coming from trees outside nurseries are often considered of inferior quality (unless you happen to stumble upon a good, wild apple tree, in which case you become a folk hero and/or have a line of computers named after your fruit), which is why they're more commonly used as animal feed or source of apple juice/cider.

>>21441192
Nice, Anyways, I'm falling asleep, so I'll respond to anything else tomorrow

>>21440517
>>21439588
The crop map is from the 1920s but I don't see why apples & pears would be the only fruit crop. While apples would certainly be the major fruit corp produced(for lore reasons), the climate of the republic should be able to support more kinds of fruits. referring to the lefthand-side map, the western lowlands should have an oceanic climate(light green), the east should be oceanic with mountain influence(light blue) and some green(oceanic w/ continental influence) in between.

>>21441670
It's the closest there is to a cash crop in /who/ since apple is versatile, but the land can theoretically grow more kinds of stuff (although the military-oriented production model in the lowland probably means only a few is produced at scale). As for the fruits in the pic:
>Pears are mentioned as being related to apple, but I think they have fewer use.
>Orange and related fruits like lemon require a hotter weather - you can see the maximum extent of citrus marked on the right have it be near the southern coast of France.
>Fair point about the prunus (including cherry, peaches, and apricot), though. Maybe they aren't considered as useful as apples so they don't get grown much?

>>21443040
Apparently, pearwood is used in high-quality woodwind instruments & furniture. Pears afaik have similar uses to apples, they can still be made into ciders and used in cooking. But I do agree that pears should take a backseat to apples due to lore reasons(botw streams). And prunes can be made into a variety of preserves aside from just eating them raw. Maybe some lore about the sweets of the republic(Moom has a sweet tooth after all) & prune preserves made for the military to solve constipation & digestion problems during long marches?

>>21443609
I don't watch her often enough to know sounds about right to me

>>21399563
>>21269409
I'm back to flesh out the /∞/ ports and road based on what was talked about. I did a slight modification of the /∞/ road proposal to straighten it out and put it slightly further way from the Temple of Risu.

>Previous proposals and information.
https://rentry.org/8qp9x
https://rentry.org/4xm6m

Current proposal and lore
>The Port Town of Demeter
∞'s port town on the Northeast coast of Risu, it is comprised of shipping docks, a garrison and a small shipyard designed to repair and maintain ships, but not build new ones. Demeter was built as part of a joint agreement with Risu and to ferry supplies and equipment through Risu via Hecate's Path to Ceres from ∞, and vice versa. Due to its closer proximity to the ∞ mainland, Demeter doesn't need to be as self sufficient as Ceres, however it can sustain itself if the supply chain is disrupted. Demeter is mainly used as a way point for moving goods received from Ceres to ∞ and for traders to resupply if they are traveling along the eastern coast of the Holo continent.
Demeter was built using supplies that were transported from ∞, and some materials from Risu itself under the agreement that Risu can also use the port town for their own business.
Demeter's garrison is comprised of ships from ∞ (Both steam and sailing ships) and battalion of ∞ soldiers to protect the port town from pirates, schizos or belligerent nations. Due to its relatively close proximity to Risu town of Kenkerto, the Demeter garrison can also be deployed to defend Kenkerto or any Risu allies in the area.
There was a plan to try and move an ironclad to Demter to further shore up defense of its ports. However this was scrapped after the ironcald started to take on water while on open ocean and nearly sank, forcing it to return to ∞.

Port Town of Demeter's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feFY4eurA3g

>Hecate's Path
The main road connecting the coasts of Risu. It was constructed to more easily ferry supplies and equipment to Ceres and move any goods traded through Ceres to Demeter and then ∞.
The area where Hecate's Path was built was all scouted in advance with Risu's approval, specifically for any region that required trees to be cut because of how they are considered sacred in Risu.
Due to its length, there are multiple stations along Hecate's Path (Not marked) to act as rest/repair stops.
Hecate's Path was built with both ∞ and /meat/ manpower and construction starting at each coast, moving inward into the country until they met to create a single path through the country.
The path itself is usually only dirt, however in areas where the ground is boggy, wood or stone is integrated into the road to keep convoys from getting stuck.

Hecate's Path theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4llSCsYDA3Q

>The Port City of Ceres.
The Port City of Ceres is located on the southern portion of Risu and is the main trading hub for ∞ on the Central Ocean [name pending] and the main base of operations for ∞'s Central Fleet. It was established as part of a joint agreement with Risu along with Demeter and Hecate's path.
Ceres consists of the port city, for trading, a garrison to protect the city from pirates, schizos or belligerent nations and shipyards to maintain and build new ship.
Ceres is much larger than it's sister port Demeter because it's designed to be a trading hub on the Central Ocean among Hololive and Independent countries within the area. It's also a port to help facilitate commerce among the winder world for Risu. As a result, Ceres has a thriving city of merchants and dock/ship workers, along with various professions required to maintain the city.
Ceres is protected by the ∞ Central Fleet and a division of ∞ soldiers, with the city asking as the GHQ for ∞'s operations on the Hololive Continent. Like how Demeter defends Kenkerto, Ceres's forces can deploy to defend Sabatangan.
Any goods destined to ∞ from trading in the area, would go through Ceres, then Hecate's Path, onto Demeter, and finally to ∞ itself.
The City was built using supplies brought in from the Central Fleet and Risu, where again as part of the alliance, Risu is given access to use the port city for their own business.

Port City of Ceres theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2ZpTvvHJW8

>The Central Fleet
A combination of trading and military ships that operate in the Central Ocean [name pending]
The supplies to construct Ceres were originally transported from ∞ through the Nijisanji and Nasfaqg passage using the ships that were to make up the Central Fleet.
Due to Risu not having having it's own reliable source of coal, only two steamships are among this fleet with one acting as the flagship for the ships charged with defending the Risu coastline, local sea trade routes and Ceres. And the other being tasked with taking any high priority trades in the Central Ocean [name pending]. Any coal they require for their engines must be transported from ∞ and through Hecate's Path, as a result, the steamships mainly rely on their traditional sailing rigs for much of their movement.
The rest of the fleet are tradition sailing ships ranging in size, with Frigates being the most common.
It was originally planned for Ceres's shipyards to be able to have the ability to construct ironclads to bolster the Central Fleet, however this plan was scrapped because there wasn't a reliable source of metal and the fear that if the shipyards were captured, the ironclads would be used against ∞ allies on the hololive mainland.

Pic related is an example of an ∞ steamship.

>>21446711
For
>>21399563

This is the strongest thread on this board

>>21446672
>Hecate's Path
Given the environment in /risu/, I would say that most of the eastern half of the road will be on land that is either always wet (swamp forest) or periodically wet (subtropical wet season), so dirt road won't be a very permanent solution. I think it might be a good idea to take a page from Maya and have the majority of the road (replacing the initial dirt path for exploring and marking) be similar to sacbe, basically having the road be elevated and covered in lime plaster (perhaps reinforced by hardwood lath if available) to reduce damage from the environment. If done correctly, the flat and reasonably hard surface should be good for transportation too.
The issue is relatively minor in the west, so dirt road is more practical, although if there's enough manpower and will, either having it rammed or covered with plaster would still improve the road condition for transport. They can also be useful in redirecting and separating water if /risu/ want to try the whole farming thing in the future.

>>21447672
That's up to Risu approve.

The southern area is better suited since any realistic western road would come dangerously close to sacred land for Risu and the eastern area will deal with less powerful monsoons.

>>21447824
Yeah, that's what I mean by western road. We'll wait for the risuners to reply.

Biome are tricky, they mix up really smooth gradient like desert to rainforest with really sharp boundaries like those found in mountains. I think I've finally settled on a workflow that works for what we're doing though, I just need to put together material that look good for each biome now, hopefully I can reuse one with hue shifts a bunch of times.
If you're around, how is the map going /meat/anon? I keep finding neat details, like the island you added in the /luna/ waters.
t. /3/DPD

>>21449887
Right now doing Niji continent
Had to take a detour atm
I got work assignments

>>21450150
Kek, yeah same, I wanted to do this a couple days back but duties got in the way. Take your time.

>>21399623
It has been a while since we get new prompts, so let's have one now:

>Rite of Passage
Do your people have any rites of passage - ceremonies or rituals that mark someone's change from one group to another (whether it be age, social standing or occupation)? Are the rites formalised and have to be done properly for the transition to be acknowledged, or are they more informal and casual, like birthday parties to simply mark the occasion? Do the rites differ between gender, age, or social class? What does becoming a "proper" member of your culture's society mean?

Dont die on me!

Die

>>21313311 (Me)
>>21314795
>>21332948
Last thread I asked if the vote undoing /who/'s partial annexation of /uuu/ retconned it into never occurring. While the two answers I received conflicted, I'm confident in not calling it to a thread-wide vote since one of the two was in all likelihood from the one who negotiated for the now-cancelled deal in the first place. Since his answer was to consider the vote a retcon, I will accept his word on the matter and treat the matter as such.

That being said, I do have another question, one that doesn't just have to do with my own thread and an inactive one, but one that concerns inter-thread etiquette:
>Are there/Should there be any limits on who can approach a split not active in the project and start a world-building discussion in it? If so, who is and isn't allowed to do so?
You see, if /who/ never gained the southern half of /uuu/, there's no justification for me going through with my plan to write a loredump about Saplings trying to adapt to Hooman life.
With this in mind, I was thinking of making a post in /uuu/ where I drop off some of the world-building notes and assumptions about /uuu/ and its inhabitants in a "use it if you want" manner, but I wasn't sure if it was okay for a non-rep to approach an inactive split with /vtwbg/ matters, so I wanted to run the matter by you guys first.

>>21461532
Personally, I feel that if /uuu/ is still uninterested in the project (judging from how we don't have anyone who claim to be from that thread here), I don't think dropping the notes on their thread would be a good idea, as they might either not care or don't like people from a thread they consider not to their interest posting stuff there. It might be better to post the notes here instead.
As for limits, it's hard to tell, since we allow people to write lore/greentext for inactive threads (or rather, we have no way to tell if they're truly from those threads or not). I guess currently we can only say "try not to do that solely for your own thread's advantage" and judge it on a case-by-case basis.

>>21446672
updated map

>>21461532
I'll be fine with the land grab happening in lore for less than a year, and then dropped due to resistance or some other reason.

Addition to /who/ army structure:
##Rations of the army
Around 55% of wheat fields, 35% of grazing fields and 20% of potato farms in the Republic are owned by the military. These centralised, state owned farms are the main source of the army's provisions. Centralisation(at least in theory) yields more food, improves smoothness of logistics and quality controll, even if it has some shortfalls compared to private options, the military still perfers the security and stability over the potential effeicency of private market.
To combat digestion problems related to the monotonous diet of the military, fruit preserves, espically prune plums are supplied to units. Other than the usual prunes there's also pears cooked in wine, candied cherries and wild berry compote.

When a Legion marches, the provisions typically include salted beef, mutton or pork, canned foods(from potatoes & meat, smoked fish to string beans), fruit perserves, bullion cubes, suet/salted pork fat , sacks of wheat flour/potatoes, boxes of hardtacks, sugar, coffee, vodka and other nessities such as candles and soap. Fresh produce(including milk!) are usually provided twice ot thrice a week but that's under ideal circumtances and thus aren't expected to be maintained in wartime. The Republic's provision does not rely on fresh produce to keep its soldiers healthy due to its large canning industry and the logitical ability to distribut them. The various canned food are designed to provide at least the baseline of nutritional needs for months.
When regiments are garrisoned, their weekly provisons also include eggs, various smoked meats and more kinds of fresh produce bought from local farmers.

When encamped, brick ovens are constructed to bake bread for the men. Field kitchens cook big pots of stews or even roasts if fresh meat or cattle is avalible. Energy dense food such as hardtack and canned meat & potatoes are reserved for marches.
Light infantry or other reconnaissance troops perfer bringing canned meat & potatoes, bread, salted pork fat and fruit perserves as they don't require any cooking and thus the need to light fires. Perfect for picket duty. They typically bring 3-4 days worth of rations while marching ahead of the supply trains.
Line infantry usually bring hardtacks, canned food, bread, salted meat and animal fats while on the move. As they march relatively close to the supplies, they would typically only bring 1-2 days worth of food on their person.

Even though the Republic's canned rations are incrediblely varied(there are 23 different varieties excluding perserved fruits), the amount one can bring is limited. Bringing more than 4 cans starts to become cumbersome when combined with all the other equipment one has to carry. As such, soldiers came to learn different recipies to make the less agreeable provisions like hardtacks more edible.

**The Tartarus stew:**
Fatty meat/fat is rendered in a pan. Then Hardtacks are pounded into chunks and added into the rendered fat(if fatty meat is used, it is best to be taken out and added back in later, though many soldiers skip this step). After around 15 minutes, the hardtack became crispy and flavourful. If perfered water and chopped canned vegetables are added in.

**Hardtack pudding:**
Hardtacks are pounded finely and then mixed with water or milk if avalible. While the hardtack is left to sit, fruit perserves are chopped and mixed with sugar and spices if one's lucky enough to have a relative mail it to them. The hardtack mixture is rolled into a crust and used to wrap the fillings. The pudding is then steamed in a pot for up to 2 hours.

**Lobscouse:**
Fatty meat or animal fat is rendered in a pot. Canned vegetables are chopped and if situation allowed, fresh, foraged wild vegtables are used as well.
Meat(either canned or salted) is added and left to brown and hardtacks are pounded into small chucks. The vegetable are then added with bouillon and water. The hardtack chucks are added with some reserved to add crucnch if one perfers. After around 20 minutes the stew is seaoned to taste and ready to serve.

**Army gruel:**
Hardtacks are pounded into small chunks. The pounded hardtacks are added either in a pot of boiling water or left to soakover in a bowl night. If added into pot, around 30 minutes with ocassional stirring is needed. Fruit perserves are chopped and added into the pot/bowl. If avalible, milk is also added when finishing or on top of the bowl. The gruel is then seasoned to taste with sugar or spices.

>spent 4 hours researching volcanoes, hot springs and hot spring microorganisms

I liked the /risu/ map, so I figured I try my hand at making a rough inkarnate map myself of how I imagine /who/ would look like. No names of settlements or anything, want to leave things open for change.
Any border inaccuracies is just me being shit at measuring things by eyeballing them.

>>21465262
Nice, though in my own headcanon the west should have more cities & forts as it's the most likely avenue of approach in case the republic is invaded.

>>21462597
Dont lose hope bro
The other threads are still judgemental. They dont know what we're doing and think all we do is larping
Once we have our foundations solidified it will attract the silent threads

>>21465653
Fair, added a bit more to the western region including some coastal towns. I imagine the hilly east would largely be home to a more rural population interspersed with military forts while the west would be the more urban and commercial center of the nation.

>>21466198
Looks pretty good so far! I wonder if inkarnate has varieties in farmland assets, though.
The population distribution sounds about right, since I imagine animal husbandry would play a larger role up there (which would likely have a lower population density limit).
Thoughts on where the rivers would be at?

>>21466198
The east should be full of mining towns and it would probably have at least 1 or 2 major population centres but yeah I also think that the east should be more sparsely populated and way more rural than the west.
I don't know much about minerals and geography but if we want to go full-on autism then the towns & cities in the east should be near mineral deposits while forts are in terrain that's more defensible

>>21466441
It does have a large variety of assets... if you pay, which I don't really feel like doing. What you see is like 70% of the assets available for gree.
Rivers I think would largely either start in /who/ or /rrat/ and continue out to different countries. If anything I'd consider the possibility of maybe adding a lake or two, though my geography knowledge is rusty at best and non-existent at worst

>>21466764
The terrain implies the existence of a few rivers, although it seems /who/ is unlikely to get a major estuary. I guess that might play into the relative lack of arable land in /who/?

>>21467427
By the way, it's more of an elevation map than a pure terrain map

>>21467793
I still hope we can eventually get an official scale on the height for each colour

>>21462597
Though I don't have the post number (since I don't remember which /who/ thread it was), someone from /uuu/ did post in /who/ expressing interest in posting lore but didn't go through with it due to being intimidated by the autism. I figured that if I or someone else left a few crumbs directly in the split one of them might feel more up to participating.

That being said, I get the impression that the Sapling who made that post was the one who confirmed the initial deal on /uuu/'s end in this split when it happened, meaning the whole "scared away by the autism" moment happened over a month ago. With this in mind I can understand skepticism of at the very least that specific poster's likelihood of contributing.

Even if that's the case though, that's only one IP out of 69 if we treat the current number of IP's in /uuu/'s current thread to be an average amount for that thread, so it's entirely possible that someone there might be interested if approached.

>>21468809
I have my doubts about that, but maybe I'm just too pessimistic. Either way, don't let me stop you if you really want to try your luck. Would be nice if you can prove me wrong, really.

>>21468809
intimidated by the autism? did he think we were gonna be hypercritical for no reason like reddit or was he just afraid of us because our raw autism makes the setting a bit convoluted for an outside observer? i would love to see another IP though, especially from a silent thread of another holo

>>21467997
If you go to azgaar where the maps were originally generated from, you can see what the range of heights is for various colors by mousing over them. Though we did change the scale to be earth-sized, so I don't know if we're sticking to those numbers or not.
>>21469155
I hope we get more non-holo reps desu.

>>21469427
i hope we get any new reps at all really

>>21469118
>>21469155
>>21469427
>>21469660
I think the Sapling was referring less to hostility but more to how in-depth we can get (multiple posters doing research for this thread for things like natural resources, military, etc.).

I'd love to put a trial balloon out there to /uuu/, but I'm worried about setting a precedent for people /here/ to harass inactive splits attempting to get them to participate. If a formal rep gives the go-ahead, I'll take that as having legitimate authority to at least make an "I'm from /vtwbg/" trial post.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid about the second paragraph, but I just want to be sure that a non-rep poster from /here/ can ask an inactive split if they want to join if they have this thread's permission.

>>21463278
Woo!
That's a whole lot of additions, I like them, looks like you added them to the army rentry already, I'll anchor it just as record keeping anyways. Good job.
>>21399563

>>21470822 (me)
I'm the representative by the way.
>>21470514
I think what that sapling meant was that he didn't have the time to dedicate to worldbuilding. As of now, I'd simply wait until we have developed a proper way to invite other generals to make sure it isn't seen as a bother or heavy responsibility. I've already built up some minimal lore for them, mainly the druids thing, but other than that all we have on them is that they're structured as a very decentralized theocracy.

>>21469427
>I don't know if we're sticking to those numbers or not.
So... no more Cunny Olympus Mons of /uoh/?

>>21471829
Well, it's pretty much covered in ice cap, so given the latitude its height would be at least 3000m, probably higher given that /rrat/ has a much less significant icecap despite having a similar height. I don't think it'll be higher than the Everest, but after a certain point I'm not sure if that really matters.

>>21446672
>>21446711
>>21447824
OGsuner

I approve. This is pretty much what i had in mind exactly.

Also today is my birthday, doing pretty much nothing but chilling for the next few hours and i know I said that i would flesh out the whole thing about growing gems out of the ground so gonna write a document and anchor it right now.

>>21471305
Fair enough. That means I can probably begin research on 18th-century animal control units and practices.

>>21473472
Happy birthday! Looking forward to seeing that, but don't let it occupy too much of your time. It's your birthday after all.

>>21473751
Theres nobody at my house and its what i do for fun anyway, ill get off 4chan when guests start showing up

>>21474148
Glad to hear that!
>mfw lockdown's still a thing here so no civvie parties

/nasa/ archived. So I couldn't respond to the debate. As for cross-dimensional wormholes it just explains how /nasa/ came from outside of this universe. /jp/ is another dimension so why not? The 99 year project is a minimum timeline of when your base becomes a permanent settlement. Its not the length of how long it will actually take to repair the station. Repairing the station will take longer or shorter depending on how soon /nasa/ can obtain and refine materials.

>theres been like half a dozen /morig/ lore posts while I've been gone
God this is making me feel lazy.

>>21419127
>>21401246
For those who don't understand/want IRL examples:
>Dwa/Dwb
pretty rare on earth, but is found most prominently in Manchuria, Korea and North China. A major city with this climate would be Beijing.
>Dfb
fairly common IRL, can be found in most of East and Central Europe, Especially Poland and the Baltics, as well as in the American Midwest. A major city with this climate would be Prague.
>Dfc
another pretty common one. Finland, Siberia, Alaska, they all have it. its basically the "fucking cold" climate. There aren't really any "major" cities for obvious reasons, but for an example Yellow Knife is in this climate zone.
>ET
Freezing glacial tundra. Great for skiing, not so good for actually living. There are no cities with this climate type.
>Cwb
Warm, dry, highlands, incredibly common, found basically anywhere warm and mountainous, from India to Mexico to Ethiopia. Mexico City and Addis Ababa are both cities with this climate.
>Cwc
Very rare, it only really exists in very high altitude areas near Cwb climates, as basically a colder, drier, varient of it. El Alto is a city with this climate.
>Cwa
another very common one! a lot of south Southern China and the Northern Indian subcontinent has this climate. Major cities in this zone include Hong Kong and Islamabad

Finally here's an explanation of how the Köppen classification actually works:
>First letter defines what type of climate it is
A = Tropical (very hot all year around)
B = Dry (very dry all year around)
C = Temperate (no months below -3 degrees celsius)
D = Continental
E = Polar (very cold all year around)
>Second letter designates how much rain it receives and at what time of year.
f = no dry season: wet/humid all year around
w = wet summer, dry winter.
s = wet winter, dry summer
m = monsoon
W = desert: virtually no rain all year around
F = Steppe: dry, but not dry enough to be a desert
>Third letter describes how hot is it
a = hot
b = temperate
c = cold
h = hot (used exclusively for deserts and stepped)
k = cold (used exclusively for deserts and stepped)

E type kind of ignore these rules and runs on its own system, with T being Tundra and F being ice caps.

hmu you if you need anymore climates explained. I could also potentially do the climate for your country if you like but I'm a little out of practice. the other climate and the other anons probably have better tools than what I'm using (ms paint)

>>21474770
same lol

>>21475009
>I forgot to explain continental
ok so continental is basically just temperate but it has a month below 0 degrees Celsius. that's the difference.

>>21475108
-3* degrees Celsius
also just to clarify these temperatures are based on averages.

>my deadbeat physiology lore post was redone by someone
I can't complain since I don't really know much about bones and this seems far far more solid in terms of being rooted in some form of biology but I am little disappointed that the perspective I was going for with it being a /hlgg/ imperial physician doing an autopsy disappeared
>leads to priestesses of average height and seemingly normal build commonly weighing up to three hundred pounds or more.
>three hundred pounds or more.
was it a fucking architect who rewrote it ?

>>21475009
this is very useful actually since i was too lazy to look it up and not smart enough to infer lol. thanks

>>21449887
It feels like ∞ is being moved further and further north...

>>21399563
Anchor

A note on the witches of /risu/ and gemtree production

Risuners have witches deep in their forests. They are very few in number and none of them can be found in the major settlements. They prefer to be in isolated small villages to keep their magic kept secret from outsiders. Witches are usually the de facto rulers of their respected settlements.
These witches use the power of gemstones to make all sorts of magical effects depending on the gem used. Their main method of acquiring gems is either mining or using gemtrees. To make a gemtree, one must infuse a magical acorn with a gem to create a gemcorn. The gemcorn will always grow what gem is used when infused. (Emerald gemcorn will produce emerald gemtree)
These gemcorns are then placed into the ground like any other seed and then grow like any other tree. Note that even with /risu/ plant acceleration magic, this tree takes a considerable amount of time to grow, more than a regular tree.
Gemtree farms are found deep within the caves of molerisuners and these are usually handpicked by the witch to be trusted with their care. So far the following gems have been seen used by witches and their settlements but its possible there are more
Pic rel from terraria, where i got the idea from

Carnelian- Used as a far more powerful version of coal. A single one can light up an entire settlement in a dark red color. These are placed in furnaces and last for about 3 months before expiring. Heat is enough to cook, smelt metal, and can be adjusted.

Emerald- Used for healing and plant acceleration. These are usually kept by nut growers to further accelerate the process of making nuts. Disease and injuries were healed much quickly near its presence when activated. 20 uses before expiring.

Topaz- Lights of all colors. Carnelian does this as well but topaz is much brighter. Neither have been seen used both at once as its considered a waste. Can produce different colors and is used for parties.

Turquoise- Gliding. Although risuners are not flying squirrels they have used this power to be able to glide. Turquoise must be directly infused with a risuner to allow them this power so it is only used on the witch themself or close friends. One time use. Duration currently unknown.

Grape agate- Weaponry. This is by far the most commonly used gem in /risu/ and so many gemtrees of it have been produced that it can be used fairly commonly despite its low expiration. These are used as weapons and are placed at the end of a staff like weapon. These "grape blasters" fire a small purple fireball like projectile at very fast speed. Only 10 shots can be fired before it has to be reloaded with another bead of grape agate. Top priority is placed on making sure nobody, not even outside risuners get their hands on these weapons.

>>21475622
Nah, they are slender. It's just that they're dense.
It's a natural consequence. Think about how 2B from Nier Automata weighs around 330 pounds.

>>21475009
Finally, another anon who's into climate stuff!
But yeah, in hindsight I might've glossed over some of the stuff there. Thanks for the supplement!
steppe (more pedantically semi-arid) should be S tho Also should note that f means no dry season, which can mean both it's always wet, or it's always dry (most noticeable in Dfc/Dfd where there's barely any precipitation).
For the third letter, there's also d, although it's pretty rare since it basically means "fucking cold", so it's only used in continental climate that has just enough warmth to not be considered polar.

>>21475622
>Architects are slowly revising lore to include their fetish
Not even the meatheads are this bad!

How cute are the girls of your country?

>>21477298
Cute

>>21477298
Warm, friendly, fun, petite and uoooh
Enjoys violence with the squad, toned physique from all the workout and battles

>>21477561
How good are meatheads when it comes to sex?

>>21477598
whips and leather are considered entry level
We got torture machines, piercings, harapan, and edging.
By edging I mean threaten to cut your dick off/pull out your womb if you came too early. Although in the general populace they wont actually do it, just for scareboners. Slaves on the other hand...
Post-coitus, lots of cuddles and innocent squees

>>21477598
Bone-shattering, in more ways than one. Don't worry, they'll (try to) patch you up afterwards!

>>21477818
placenta is fine too...

>>21477934
>no screw
AAAAAAAAA

>>21477983
Less brain, more hole!

>>21477818
>Post-coitus, lots of cuddles
Huh,so aftercare is a thing in /meat/?That's nice

I guess /nasa/ women are pretty curvey in general with big boobs and butts. Tanned gyarus are pretty popular as they look like Sana.

>meathead girls are muscle lolis
uoh?

>>21478287
is that even a thing?

>>21478311
If the loli works out a lot and can swing swords 3 times their sizes maybe they are

>>21478287
What are /who/ girls like?

>>21478387
You have a one night stand and wake up in an ice tub with a missing kidney

Had a second go at making a /who/ map with a different tool with rivers and shit. Shame it doesn't have a good way of showing different climates and elevation.

>>21478387
Very medium, I would assume.

>>21478483
So the girls would look like Mumei?

Even if it's not yet finished, the new map really showed just how big Earth scale is
I swore /ggg/ is the size of Australia
Turns out theyre bigger

>>21478112
I mean, unless you have superhuman regeneration and/or a lot of ritual meat around, aftercare is more important than ever when it comes to /meat/.

>>21478287
High protein diet plus a lot of work (done, or done to them) works wonders. /meat/ chuubanite consumption at opportune time might also make them develop earlier/more significantly too.

>>21478483
i like the style of this one, much more fitting for the time, i may use this style next time i make a map

The /meat/ chuubas themselves are also emotionally vanilla.
Giving you support, cheering you on, yays and squees, fluffy love.
Mai-chan is the best example. Even Dentata, with blades in her cunny, asked for comfort from her fans instead of acting like a twitch thot

>>21478483
It actually looks pretty cool. Mind sharing the name of the tool?

>>21478813
The only way they can be sweeter is if they have diabetes

>>21478903
it's inkarnate i believe

>>21478813
>ryona vtubers do a lot of healing
huh I thought they all went 'Im horny please kill me' all the time

>>21477298
>girls
Uhhhhh...
Aboveland Rosebuds actually have female counterparts. Not bad looking, but you'll have to look past the whole plant person thing.

>>21479002
That works for doujin or fanart, but can't really carry a vtuber over a long time.

>>21479105
Salad is good too...

>>21479002
https://youtu.be/se2onZHCrpE
https://youtu.be/x57FTIJWAa4
https://youtu.be/y9f4aefd0CY
https://youtu.be/5T5oHgEqCFw
This girl drew a doujin about a mother and her daughters getting beheaded, eviscerated, and raped

>>21478903
>>21478957
Nah, it's Wonderdraft. And no, I did not pay 30 bucks for something I only really plan to use for this

>>21478387
nothing special I suppose, though brown hair would be most common among the populace
>>21478483
Oh that looks fucking nice, much better than the other one. I was already planning on doing a basic citymap, If i have one suggestion is putting the port city at the center of the small gulf in the peninsula

>>21479504
>the center of the small gulf in the peninsula
So scoot it a little to the west, or do you mean the one a bit to the south by the Hoshiyomia border?

>>21480095
yeah, you can also add a road there to connect the sides of the peninsula

>>21480287
Alright, how's this?
https://imgur.com/z0gksTI

>>21480828
Ay, that works brilliantly, thanks.

/meat/bros, why is our thread dying?
We used to have 50 unique IPs
Now it's just 4 niggas

Yo what the fuck is up with /duck/? did KFP actually make a move on it ? I'm reading though one of the other threads and I'm seeing talk about the iodol faction of KFP occupying and securing duck but it also reads like some larper shit but then again this is all larper shit ?

>>21481436
every other /KFP/ agreed to retcon it since
1. it didn't make much sense with the current direction of KFP's current lore
2. it didn't realistically align with any of KFP's geopolitical interest
3. it would be unethical/unfair to occupy /duck/ when they currently don't even have a representative

>>21481436
They even tried to drag /who/ in, I'm not sure why thought.

>>21481711
>>21481436
Also once the new map is out, which will be HUGE in scale, we might have to revise some borders if anyone wants to have small countries, microstates, or city-states

>>21475633
Hasn't moved North since before the North Pole poll proposals were made.
Also, it was moved at /inf/'s request, just shifting the island a bit up and down is no problem really, /inf/'s rep seems satisfied with the current position.

>>21479105
That's alright if your people don't have girls.

>>21481423
are they getting deleted faster? every time i look for a /meat/ thread it isn't there. idk what the problem would be otherwise. hope it gets better soon.

>>21399563
I'm having a brainfart moment and this is a dumbshit idea proposal whachamacallit
Feel free to ignore if it's bad
「Every Thread Has A WMD」
The very epitome peak symbology climax of a 4chana's rabid tribalism. Despite all the friendshsip aand diplomacy, therre will cum a time where we must put our foot down. My tribe good your tribe bad, every other tribe must die.
Unless other tribe is fren then we wont hurt you.
These WMDs are all unique to their thread and vtuber.
Some examples of WMDs for each tribe
>/meat/
Simple enough, they even mentioned it. a lovecraft monster thing under their holy mountain.
>Ayunda Risus thread
Risuners value the agrarian luddite life above all. so their wmd is the complete eradication of anything above hoes and sickles. Like this https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-804
>/infinity/
BORG CUBE: Kronii Edition
>/rose/
extinction of anything non-flora. only plants and sentient plants left
>hfz
OP goes ultra instinct and fucks a hole into the planet
>/uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu/
RETVRN TO TRADITION
like risuner WMD but more schutzstaffel/volk blood and soil
>/rbc/
Terminator/Grey goo
>/moon/
Majora's Mask
>/pagi/
The War of The Worlds shall be their Independence Day as The Black Cloud brings in a new Perelandra
i jsut realised my nose is bleeding right now

>>21474770
Hope you like 'em! Another anon wrote the articles on governments and death masks.

>>21475622
Hey anon, I wrote that up! Glad you're here, I figured you'd pop up eventually to discuss whether you approved of all the changes. I was a bit iffy on whether the whole "HLGG Empire over all holo nations" thing was still canon at the time of writing, so I side-stepped that for futureproofing, if that's still a thing let's add it back in.
Also, not an architect, it just kind of reconciled the mental image people have of the Goddess Faithful priestesses, the physiology of the deadbeats, and tied into their deadliness as fighters. and I mean imagine a normal looking 5'4" girl just smashing into your hips with 300 pounds of force holy shit my dick.

>>21482485
don't forget /nasa/'s literal nuke/ the currently inaccessible high-tech stuff they could make if they weren't on the verge of collapse. that said, i think you should let them decide for themselves. /meat/ /rose/ and /nasa/ have already talked about it, but the others might have different ideas from what you are suggesting. the overall idea is interesting, though, but it has nothing to do with thread culture, and without balancing it would make this world too chaotic to live in. i like what /nasa/ did with their nuke. it's a last-ditch effort, basically suicide if they use it. /rose/ is harder, and i'm sure /meat/ can think of a few ideas if they want.

>/wvt/ is the HRE - disorganized, corrupt, and full of a bunch of tiny and insignificant counties jockeying for power
>they kick ass if some external threat manages to galvanize them into a united force, temporarily, though

>>21482815
300 pounds means you guys are slow as shit, though. that, or it's definitely unbalanced due to F=MA and what not. you guys already have drugs that strengthen you up, being able to hit like a sledgehammer without any effort or performance enhancing drugs is kind of bs, don't you think?

>>21482485
actually risuners do want to use metal, we just dont know how to yet. Although now that the road is complete and /inf/ 2 port cities have been established we can focus on bog iron mining since meatheads gonna teach us how to do it. bog iron isnt great but better than stone tools for sure.

>>21483215
Read the article anon, that's only the priestesses, they don't really leave Mt. Mori. Normal deadbeats (which make up the whole actual military force) work out to having close to average strength. Only like 0.01% of people can survive the Mt. Mori chuubanite exposures needed to undergo the priestess conditioning.

>>21483396
Can't wait for the deadbeat shrine maiden who can fly with the help of her magic turtle, wouldn't that be funny?

>>21482997
Its a nuke in theory. /nasa/ station has a nuclear fusion reactor at the center. If the reactor isn't maintained then the station will melt-down and explode. With unstable hydrogen isotopes that will create a chain reaction of thermonuclear detonations that will take out a few thousand kilometer radius. Such an explosion will kill everyone living in /nasa/ station.

>>21483633
Helium* isotopes. There's no such thing as hydrogen isotopes as those are just pure electrons and protons. Excuse me.

>>21483609
Huh? 2hufriend, you're in the wrong dimension, take the portal back to /jp/.

>>21483723
What did you think I based the Pantheon of the Republic on?

Question is what can /nasa/ do with wood? We really stone and grout bricks as well. Fortunately we do have a wetland in the northwest. I don't know if /nasa/ will find enough clay there.

>>21483857
Oh fuck, anon you're gonna make the spheres collide again, be careful.

>>21484032
what's a little 2hu hijack here and there?

>>21483704
>There's no such thing as hydrogen isotopes
There absolutely are. Deuterium and tritium, the former is stable. This thread has at myself, a chemist, and at least one nuclear physicist, so just ask about things like that.

Besides, when it comes to fusion reactions, you wouldn't get the same melt-down as in fission reactors. It'd just explode, spewing out its unbelievably hot plasma into the area.

>>21484569
So can we still rig nuclear fission to take out the whole station and area around it?

>>21484836
Considering how plasma containment works in fission reactors, then if the reactor is working and then is disrupted then that's a given.

>>21484836
If you handwave some very mild engineering concerns away, I think it's plausible to have a fusion reactor double as a thermonuclear bomb.

>>21484569
Would the big meltdowns that just irradiate entire zones of a continent happen under a fusion reactor or is it purely a fission thing?

>>21485013
Its mostly fission as the fuels in fission are radioactive isotopes with half-lives that last for decades.

>>21485013
As >>21485126 said. Fusion power is much cleaner in this regard.

>>21485161
Ironically fission is still cleaner than burning fossil fuels.

>>21485258
And yes, anon does mean even just in terms of radioactive material emitted into the atmosphere. With good reactors and good storage of the radioactive end products, fission basically doesn't put any radioactive material in the environment.

>>21485355
Before /nasa/ can make fission reactors we do need factories to make the parts. And before we can make the factories we need to build the facilities to put factories in. Which means we need galvanized steel. Fortunately /nasa/ does have iron and coal. We just need to dig deep. Next we need zinc for galvanizing.

If the geology anon(s) is around, I've been researching the topic of Sakuran's volcanoes and hot springs. I've only placed these generally by feel after reading through a number of articles, so if anyone is more well-versed on these matters I'd appreciate your input.

The whole volcanically active area is, from what I've calculated, ~500-600km (scale pending). From that: the dark orange area, measuring 75kmx50km at its longestxwidest, is the main volcanically active area and the centre of the shield volcano Mt. Achuachu; the moderately orange area is semi-active, where lave does flow underneath, giving rise to cinder cones (marked in small red circles), but no shield-related fissures occur; and the light orange/yellow area that is comprised of old lava flows when the volcano was more active which are now fully covered in soil.
Of the 5 noted cinder cones, the two westernmost went extinct before 35p even arrived in this land, the centre one went extinct a couple of centuries ago and the two easternmost ones are currently active, having each exploded twice in the last century.

Regarding geology: Due to the main volcano being a shield type, silica concentration in the rocks of the area is low. Generally, the volcano would release volcanic rocks of classifications, following the TAS diagram, mostly B, but also O1, S1, S2 (Mugearite), Pc, U1 (Basanite) and F (Nepheline, Nosean etc) .
Exceptions to this appear in the area where the 5 cinder cones have risen (roughly the blue circle area), where lava was enriched with slightly higher amounts of silica, forming volcanic rocks of classiciations O2, S3, U2 and F (Analcime, Lazurite etc).

The large circled areas mark the general locations of hot springs, while the long purple lines the underground water systems that flow through the land.
To the north, within the green circle, bicarbonate hot springs can be found. Their water has a green-blue colour due to the species of bacteria residing in them, while cooler ones develop thin green films over them and eventually vegetation.
To the west, the orange contains an area of mostly iron-rich hot springs, with some acid sulfate ones spread in-between. These are the most numerous hot springs in the country. Iron-rich hot springs are easy to differentiate, as they all have colouration varying from red to dark red to brown, due to the iron oxide produced by the bacteria that make their home there. Most of these Iron-rich hotsprings are harmful to both humans and plants, specifically tubes and roots, and especially potatoes, causing scab disease and soft rot disease. However, rare iron-rich hot springs exist (ooc: this can even be just a single one), whose water has medicinal properties, specifically affecting the intestines and the gut, aiding with constipation and other infections. Acid sulfate springs, while also blue-green like bicarbonate ones, are often surrounded by fungi, and many travel to areas around these springs to collect them.
Finally to the south, are the main (ie biggest) springs in Sakuran, surrounded by the blue circle. Affected by the same lava flows that gave rise to the cinder cones, these are alkali chloride ones. They have pure blue colours, are mineral rich and have general healing properties. The two biggest hot springs rise from the caldera of the now extinct westernmost cinder cones, after underground water found its way through the empty, but hot, lava flow chambers. The water flow from these two source is great enough to have created a small river riding down the slope of Mt. Achuachu, with life thriving around it. It's no wonder the capital of Shikemura (not on map) was built near this area.

>>21486092
How big is the onsen tourism industry?

>>21483396
they are individually overpowered, but they are trusted to stay put in an uninhabitable place where only overpowered people can survive, and there aren't many of them. isn't it a bit overpowered to have such a place to begin with? i won't bother you too much on this, but it sounds like people could justify having an overpowered unit if you guys can have it. i'm trying to keep world-balance in mind. maybe you can say the priests can't survive outside of those regions, otherwise they collapse on their own weight. that way you can keep your powerful priests, but you wont need to trust them to not steamroll everyone else. we both get what we want that way. what do you say?
>>21484126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GtAad-dMS8

If it wasn't for the Grand Directive then Sakuraun and /rrat/ would be excellent spots to set up geothermal powerplants.

>>21399563
Anchoring a new map of KFP:
Featuring:
More accurate rivers, larger size, larger trade network, more cities
(city locations are subject to change based on new biome map and future mining maps, feel free to contribute)
this is slowly turning into a regional map of the holocontinent

That reminds me: I seem to recall shortly after the alterations to /morig/'s geography were made, one of the climateanons provided an updated heightmap in the vein of >>21487054
I think it ended up being deleted because of an error, but would it still be usable? I've been wanting to get roads and major cities out of the way for a while and don't want to base it solely off of the edited version I threw together of a section of the WIP world map

I'm thinking. If /nasa/ really wants to make big money then we should use "DOUGH" technology to make insulated ships to ship ice from the tundra to /ggg/. Ice was a million dollar industry until freezers came along. Would anyone be interested in buying ice?

>>21486841
I don't think they're really all that overpowered. They're just heavy and powerful, and there's a couple hundred of them. Like, any nation could train up 6'6" feet tall musclebound commandos, that would be effectively the same thing without the limitations put on the priestesses. And as I mentioned, there's less than a thousand of them, at our current tech level they'd be inconsequential even if we did want to use them. You can't steamroll nations numbering in the millions with a thousand strong dudes when firearms are in the cards.

"I do not understand. Why are the Robosans quiet? They're the most technologically developed people but all they do is sleep. Has technology truly make intelligent beings lazy?"

"If you want to know why... A millennia ago, before the realm of Viti was exiled from Jaya-Pi, the Robosans were the most powerful beings. Their clan is at the crossroads of the Big Five Titans and the young Holy Life pantheon. As the power of the primordial goddess Ai and Kaguya dwindled, before the Chief Goddess Sora reign, the followers of Roboco were artificers of mass destruction. Creators of war machines capable of decimating mountains into dust, oceans into rock, and light the skies ablaze.'

"That is terrifying! A sharp contrast to the lax builders of today. Why then? Why have they chosen to abandon their ancestors' glory?"

"Let the beast slumber in the literal sense. Lest you see the truth to why JP banished our forefathers."

>>21487956
I don't recall an updated height map, closest thing would be this climate map which includes the main mountains of the island, from which you can extrapolate elevation for the rest of the island. But maybe I missed what you're thinking of.

>>21482485
>Super weapons
I recall early threads discussing Mumei using the tower of babel in an attempt by humanity to kill/overthrow god. Feels a bit cheap taking something that someone else has made in Minecraft (Haachama).
Perhaps instead a legion of Nightmares would be more fitting, a sort of genetic experiment/hoomans playing at god.
Had an idea of suggesting something like this for lore, like there being remnants from "The Early War" of a super soldier experiment gone wrong now dwelling in caves around in less developed areas of /who/. Nocturnal hunters with a preference for intelligent prey, sometimes making crude sacrificial rituals to idols of a bastardization of Mumei

>>21488072
Can we introduce Robosans to instant ramen noodles? I think they would love easy to make ramen.

>>21488243
>Mumei using the tower of babel in an attempt by humanity to kill/overthrow go
/meat/heads entered chat

>>21488412
considering /meat/heads get nuked constantly i like to think this is the meatheads chat. KEK

I keep forgetting that /meat/heads sacrifice people and want to kill and eat gods
theyre so nice and friendly that you'd almost support them
I get creeped out more by /who/'s war and bloodlust than /meat/'s rituals

>>21488243
I added the "Pixy Project" for a reason, Buddy.

>>21488721
Everytime

>>21488721
because /meat/ cleans up well
You'd expect bloodthirsty cannibals would behave like Chaos from warhammer with corpses and skulls everywhere, killing each other for bloodsport and raping babies in the town square. But the streets are clean, the warriors follow code and authority, and the whole god-killing thing is a 'ends justify the means to stop the apocalypse' thing

>>21488721
C'mon now, we aren't that bloodthirsty, if you get to know us better you'll see we are all happy bunch, even if we get into a few scuffles here and there.

>>21488963
One side accepts the darkness of the world to enjoy the little innocent things in life. (NobleDark)

One side wears the goodness of the world only as a means to achieve their own personal needs. (GrimBright)

>>21488724
Can't believe I forgot about that. still thinking about making a lore post tomorrow of the nightmare idea though, serving as both a fairy tale to keep kids obedient and/or an actual environmental hazard with a dark past

>>21487956
Also, the only note regarding cities is that there would be a settlement with /nasfaqg/ presence in the North West of the island.
Are you gonna use Inkarnate?

>>21399563
/nasa/ Principal's log:

I've been thinking about number crunching the effects of unfolding the station. The station when folded cuts about 75% of space. Which means for greenhouses and food processing our capacity has increased accordingly. On one hand the greenhouses are evergreen. On the other hand to save power greenhouses will be exposed to sunlight directly. We have both hydroponic and dirt gardens. Though now we're grounded production will favor dirt farming over hydroponic.

Now there is a downside to unfolding the station. We're going to need to expend more power to keep all the buildings lit. This does mean we will have power outages from time to time. /nasa/ will be installing more solar panels for daytime. And we will have power rationing for a while. But once we get more of the station's reactors operational then power won't be a problem inside /nasa/ station. However power outside of the station will need external reactors and other power sources. We can make a coal or diesel power plant if we have to but we rather make nuclear first. A nuclear power plant outside the station will supply power to the entire region.

There is the topic of plumbing, sewage, and water treatment. If we make sewers and pipes then they need to be insulated from the tundra's winter. Also digging sewers is a huge undertaking that we won't have the people nor machines for. So water treatment is stuck inside the station for now. This does bring up a problem with how to transport sewage from outside the station to the station.

In fact transportation is a massive problem with /nasa/ in general. We have no paved roads. Which means we can't use trucks outside the station as they're on electromagnetic rails. And to build vehicles /nasa/ needs factories. The infrastructure problem comes full circle again. So /nasa/ is going to have to look for primitive means of transportation. Which means /nasa/ will have to spend years breeding oxen and horses to haul supplies from the station to outside. Implying we can find oxen and horses that can survive the tundra. Maybe if we're lucky we can tame an alien beast that matches our needs. If such a creature can exist.

This is my general assessment of /nasa/'s current problems. Currently /nasa/'s biggest obstacle is the lack of transportation. Sadly we do not have any vehicles that can survive hauling heavy supplies over the wild terrain. Nor do we have the materials and funds to build the roads for such vehicles at this time. Perhaps this is a problem where the only solution is time. There isn't much advice nor direction I can give to Sanalites at this time other than keep working their current tasks. If other Sanalites have any solutions to these problems then I'm all ears. That said I do feel like I am failing the Sanalites for not having all the solutions to our problems. I am but one man who has faith in the station as Sana does that we'll work out our problems eventually. It may take a decade or two. The best I can do is keep working on foreign relationships to import the materials and goods we need ourselves. Sanalites are looking forward to the new foods and goods we traded are surplus of wheat, rations, and liquor for. I cannot wait to try /rose/'s bath salts for myself.

>>21486356
There's supposed to be a pretty big tourist resort close to the southern hot springs, and a few others spread around the country, so I'd say pretty big, especially from neighbouring countries to the east, west and south, and countries that can reach us by sea. Nations to the north would likely go to /rrat/'s hot springs, as they're probably closer. Still, a significant amount of income would be made off of them.
By the 20th century we'll probably get a similar reputation to Japan, but word may not be as widespread yet.

>>21491629
>That said I do feel like I am failing the Sanalites for not having all the solutions to our problems.

*pats on back* Don't beat yourself over it, Alex :P we have only made it this far because you led us.

t. One of the navigators

>>21492481
I see the principal as a kind of man who logically weighs all of his options first before making a decision. I wasn't a fan of the emotional speech in the snippit. I suggest having Alex explain his logic on how he came to the conclusion of declaring a new homeworld, thus overruling the directive on species mixing. Alex is absolute on not sharing space age tech with other nations. Though he understands he'll have to give those nations credit on their discoveries /nasa/ uses. Also understand nations will keep technology of vitubium to themselves and we must respect that.

In other news I expect technology espoinage to be a thing in this world. Spies are everywhere trying to steal secrets of vitubium technology either for their contracts or for themselves. Thoughts?

>>21493246
I am planning on fully fleshing out Alex as a logical and calculating leader in the full chapter, while still caring for his people first and foremost. Now that i slept a bit more on the flow of the meeting(this is like the 4th rewrite in my head by this point(kill me)) the emotional speech, while not a lie, would serve as a hammer to crush the last defenses Adam put up (similar to Alex, he deeply cares about people under him, as many see him as a strict, but caring grandpa, but sees the Grand directive with much more revenance due to living with it about twice as long as Alex). His previous arguments would be a lot more logical, but after seeing he isn't making much progress, would shift to tug on Adam's emotional strings. Thoughts?

>>21493246
What? Espionage? You shouldn't worry about that at all buddy!

>>21494129
>3a: In the event of station's technology being lost to the species, stealth combat teams are to be deployed to procure, or otherwise dispose of it.

While D0G-GO units are big, they can be exceptionally quiet and quick and deadly, just putting this out there.

>>21494042
You have to ask: the twins born on this planet, are they natives now? They will live on this world without a space suit. And one day our children will relate to other natives born here more than us because they will have an attachment to this world that we ourselves do not. Overturning the Grand Directive on species mixing is not a matter of if but when. The next generation? The generation after?

>>21494529
Exactly. This would be brought up fairly early on, before the birth of the twins was even known to the group. Most would prefer to just ignore that problem until they couldn't anymore, while Alex would be pushing for it to be solved now before any problems arise. If put into question a few generations in, it could lead to a schizm forming between the 2 factions, the mixed children and purists, which could lead to open conflict. Solving it on gen 0 gives all of us time to adjust, with future generations being free of it.

>>21494975
That said we still need to be careful with how we treat mixed children. We have to make sure they understand /nasa/ culture is not about who you are born to, but what can you do. Yes I understand this risks /pol/ getting into the debate. Still if you want to be apart of /nasa/ then you have to accept /nasa/ culture. Its the same when accepting non-/nasa/ parents as well. If you want to live here then you follow our culture. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I hope Robosan returns with more /rbc/ lore.

>>21495980
Same, i bet our Principal would love that *cough cough*

>>21496164
That rumor has no merrit. He was simply showing robosan how to cook instant ramen.

>>21496444
mhm. In his private chamber...that has no kitchen attached...

>>21497024
Of course. All you need is a kettle. The principal has an electric space kettle with a spout attachment because he loves his tea. You pour hot water into the cup then cover it. After five minutes you have cooked ramen.

>>21497165
And why didn't he do that in the grand kitchen, where the rest of the /rbc/ delegation was learning the same thing? huh? checkmate sucket.

>>21497165
Also the kitchens were full preparing the feast. So he took Robosan to his quarters where its quiet. Robosan accidentally left her clothes in the sanitation room. Which she said its fine because she has no visible features. The clothes are to keep her fluids insulated in the cold so they don't freeze up. Sexual tourism is a rumor to discredit the principal's debate on the Grand Directive.

Also Robosan is three centuries old.

>>21497759
>three centuries old.
hot!

>>21497759
>>21497569

Also this Robosan is old and doesn't like noise. It makes her joints rattle. Plus she also enjoyed the principal's collection of tea and snacks as well.

>>21498028
Oh she enjoyed something alright, and it wasn't just tea and snacks.

im back gentlemen. hows the thread?

>>21498203
it's weird ERP hours

>>21498203
Sanallites are being horny, and it's not as hot as when clocks and risuners do it for some reason.

>>21498203
Technology talk hurts my xenophobic tunnel dwelling brain.

>>21498316
You'll have to excuse us for not being as versed in the practice of Horny as they are. We shall do better in the future.

>>21498174
We played Mario Bros. arcade. She quite enjoyed her first taste of video games.

>>21498316
>>21498257
There was nothing sexual that happened that night.

sanalites, what do you think about the new coke flavor

>>21498374
Would Rosebutas like to visit /nasa/'s greenhouse? We used to have zero gravity swimming pools in the sun chambers but those don't work anymore. Besides we have to conserve water. So pools are out of comission. We are looking to bring swimming pools back once we get out of station plumbing going.

>>21498491
I keep horni posting in the /nasa/ thread. Though I do bring general topics here from time to time if related to worldbuilding.

>>21498852
Space is not a good taste. For me its another flavor of coke zero. Still sucks cherry vanilla died for this.

>>21499128
Most Rosebutas would probably be extremely uncomfortable in such a strange environment. Perhaps the upper echelon would be able to stomach it, but in general we'd likely dislike it there. No offense of course, it just seems too advanced for them.

>>21498203
KFP updated their map. /nasa/ got some more lore. Had a debate about species mixing with natives. There's a scandal in the making. /who/ and /meat/ got some more lore.

>>21499563
Shame, because the air is very similar to your underground gardens but with more windows. If you're scared of technology then I understand. We will still bake chocolate chip cookies for you once /nasa/ gets their shipment of chocolate.

all i did was flesh out the use of pretty gems

>>21500637
That's pretty pog. I haven't done anything for weeks, I still have like six unfinished drafts just sitting in my notes.

>>21499616
i am 13 pages in on a story

>>21500637
I like your pretty gems. All I did was identify more problems with /nasa/. On one hand we made more progress. On the other hand we're nowhere near ready to expand. At least not outside the station.

Is there anything /risu/ would like from /nasa/ that they would be interested in?

I think after the recent 'collab' /nasa/ and /∞/ should forge a stronger alliance.

>>21504175
if you can get over here. we would love anything that can help us build boats faster

>>21505165
/nasa/ already has friendly business relationship with /infinity/. If /infinity/ is more interested in /nasa/ goods then let us know so we can make arrangements. Coke is going to take a while to process.

>>21505221
So would you like stainless steel sawblades (made from nickel and steel)? Crane pulleys? Pine tar for sealing holes? Wood glue like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue ?

>>21506816
um. sawblades sound extremely useful. We probably need them for boat making.

>>21506972
/nasa/ will have to ask /who/ for assistance with manufacturing the saw blades. We can only make hand saw blades for now. Luckily /nasa/ has found a massive iron deposit so steel will be no problem. All we need is a bit of nickel and we'll have almost rustless blades ready. So long as you keep them dry the blades won't rust for a while. Did you happen to find any bauxite (aluminum) or laterite (nickel)?

>>21508099
NTA but /risu/ should have a decent amount of both due to the subtropical and wetland environment

>>21508247
we just dont know how to mine it yet.

Suggestion that I've been thinking for a while:
Regarding the way reps communicating in the thread would translate into the game, I don't think it would be practical to have that follow traditional means of communication, as any deal of eg /nasa/ and /risu/ would require months of travel to even arrange a meeting, nevermind any follow-up meetings and conversations.

As such, I would suggest an alternative system: all reps are able to communicate through a device to a central room in area controlled by /vtwbg/, where meetings and discussions would be held.
Such a device would be an artifact, bestowed upon us by jannies/deities/the powers that (w)be(g), and only one per nation exists. They may be magical, or contain technology advanced enough that it may as well be magic. They would be non-reverse-engineerable, apart from maybe /nasa/ and /rbc/ (though it can become a definitive yes or no through discussion),and indestructible.
Their single and only use would be to communicate with other devices of this type, though we'd have to establish whether communication between eg 2 parties is only possible by connecting to the meeting room, meaning anyone can join in and hear them, whether private 1-to-1 or group communications are possible, whether logs/archives of conversations remain afterwards, whether the meeting centre would also act as a relay station etc
The way multiple people from one thread sharing their opinions could be handled could be that they are in the room with the rep that possesses the device, or that the rep has given them permission to use it in their absence. Of course, it being stolen remains a possibility, unless we somehow bind it to only permitted users, if we want to do that.
This would not mean that travel times won't matter anymore, as this only concerns communications at the highest level. Reps would have to transfer the information to their respective country leaders/councillors/ministers/generals etc, who would then need to send their own messengers. This means that, for example, even if /rose/ and /kfp/ establish a trade deal, it would still take days/weeks of preparation plus however many months of travel for the trade to actually take place.

I feel this is a good suggestion to rid us of some time constraints we've been handwaving so far, as the time periods required for all of everything that happened since the thread started would add up significantly even now, but more so as time passed. We've already ignored however many months the /nasa/ exploration, production and construction procedures, or the /risu/-/inf/ road construction would've taken, in what I assume is the name of creative writing, so I'd prefer we didn't stack up too many timeskips.

>>21508099
I mean, depending on how the geology anons answer to Sakuran's >>21486092 geology proposal, we would have a good amount of both I believe, definitely aluminium-rich minerals at least.

>>21508247
/nasa/ has a variety of steel formulas since steel is an essential material for spacecraft. If /risu/ has bauxite and latterite then /nasa/ is willing to buy. Wheat will be no good to trade for minerals. And /infinity/ will most likely be interested in mining and refining the ore into bars as transporting raw ore is a waste of energy due to weight. Its a pickle until we get /infinity/ aboard, but we should reach a deal soon.

Alternatively if /ggg/ has bauxite or laterite for sale then we can buy the metals from them, manufacture materials and tools, then sell them to /risu/.

>>21508835
/nasa/ is looking for aluminum to make aluminum alloy ships of our own. The ships will be light enough for sails and strong enough for gasoline engines when we make them in 20 years. Downside is that the ships can't take canon fire and will be near impossible to repair. However the ships will be fast due to their weight. They should easily sail to /ggg/ fairly quickly.

>>21510195
How maneuverable would they be, what would their load capacity be and would you be willing to share the technology secrets regarding ore processing and ship constructing in exchange for required ores?

>>21508690
That's a good problem to bring up, but I feel like a magical rep-only network would kind of require a measure of suspension of disbelief to make it so that the nations don't use it for non-rep matters. Like, two allied fleets from different nations would obviously use this to have perfect communications. It's just moving the handwaving to something else.
Why not assume those communications are done through messenger birds? This would cut down even intercontinental communications to a couple weeks instead of months.

>>21510599
The ships would be weighted properly so maneuverability would be pretty solid. You can make some pretty big yachts out of the ships. They won't be galleons but they can still carry lots of rations.

>>21512910
Obviously we'll be using better sails than that yacht. We'll have to experiment with models on how big the ship and sails can get. With a efficient gas motor big aluminum ships can haul just as much as a galleon. Though at that size we'll protect the ship's hull with steel.

bump enjoying the Swapril Fools?

>>21518105
>Even jobbed the sneeze
Irys watches streams

>>21508690
Just spitballing but, how about each thread designates a rep to visit /vtwbg/, where they perform a certain unique ritual to bind the rep to some communal dream-space or some shit?

>>21511111
pigeon quints? Checked.

>>21518105
Sauna was fucking great and IRyS is absolutely killing it.

/nasa/ kinda has a mass communication solution. It requires studying Sana's broadcast signals affecting chuubanite.

I kinda have a solution that doesn't require satelite communication. We can simply use chuubanite crystals like radio towers. We can set up relays that carry messages from one point to the next. It still will take time to intercept and translate but its faster than messenger birds.

>>21518105
Anyways, those sure were streams.

>>21522476
This kinda feels like slapping a new magic power on chuubanite so that we get a technology a century and a half early.

>>21522724
Well here's the thing. Chuubanite only reacts to certain frequencies. So you're not going to get a full range radio. In fact the signal will most likely be limited to open broadcasts. Which pretty much means everything posted on /vtwbg/ can be heard by everyone.

>>21508690
Counterpoint: we don't really need to represent it, it's one of those things that can be handwaved away.

>>21523078
Well, radio is open broadcasts only, the receiver only needs to can all frequencies to catch transmissions. The counter to that is to encrypt transmissions, which is what one would do with those chuubanite transmissions.
The idea of using chuubanite for communications is kinda nice, maybe it could be a great antenna material for more conventional radios once we develop those?

>>21523554
to scan all*

>>21523554
/nasa/ doesn't need to make computer chips for radios. All we need is vacuum tubes. But then there's the problem of the Grand Directive.

>>21488035
>You can't steamroll nations numbering in the millions with a thousand strong dudes when firearms are in the cards.
This is pretty much my opinion as well. When I finally get to writing lore for /luna/ I'm going to write individual knights as being relatively over powered but as a nation they'll be limited by having feudal level tech and an incredibly weak peasant army. This way /luna/ can have their super soldier knights but functionally they're irrelevant economically and militarily.

Before I forget to answer about metal refining it really depends. If we're just smelting ore into ingots then maybe /nasa/ can help with setting the temperature with their gallium thermometers. If a special furnace needs to be built that is beyond industrial era tech then there's no dice. Anything using electric arc blast furnaces will be exclusive to /nasa/. That said making dalmascus steel can be done with hand forging methods. Not sure if we can make proper stainless steel outside of /nasa/ as that requires electric controlled treatment.

>>21527117
*damascus steel. I am not an ESL I swear.

>>21527117
the wikipedia page says that modern stainless steel is from the 1900's, at most you'd get stuffs like chromium steel

>>21482815
Its pretty good. I was just joking about the architect comment

>>21486841

>>21528032
So stainless steel has to be made in /nasa/ then. Damascus steel might be possible. Though I'm unsure if its possible to make Damascus saw blades. Damascus is mostly used in swords.

>>21528506
You don't really need damascus saw blades, wouldn't normal sawblades with maybe sharpened or different tips work just fine?

>>21527117
I think the most significant one that /nasa/ can introduce would be aluminium given how often it is used nowadays. Apart from knowledge in metallurgy, the main limitation non-/nasa/ has would probably be electricity (since you need to both keep the material molten and use electrolysis to extract the metal). How's /nasa/ doing in the energy department?

>>21528679
We got a single, one(1) Chernobyl on our station. Outside of that, if there are streams around us, we can eventually build waterwheels, and on the plains we can build wind turbines as well as solar panels covering the station. But for now, we are limited to that first thing.

>>21528237
Nice!
I restored the details on the imperial college, if you approve I'll anchor it to make archiveanon earn his paycheck and update the entry. Do you have any other suggestions? There was also a bit about the imperial electorate sending deadbeats on missions in the original, but with the way foreign policy has been conducted in /vtwbg/ so far, I don't think /hlgg/ would have the political power to do something like this, even if it was an imperial figurehead of sorts.
Nice Ope, saved.

# Biological Anthropology of the Deadbeat

The inhabitants of /morig/, the deadbeats, are physically quite an odd specimen when compared to the human and semi-human inhabitants of /vt/. /hlgg/ Empire physicians have autopsied deadbeats and found that perhaps unsurprisingly their bones are incredibly dense and strong.

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The most surprising thing about their physiology is that their nervous system is entirely contained within their bones and many of their internal organs appear connected to their skeletal structure. A white calcified protective layer sheathes many of the internal organs. This, combined with the density of their bones leaves them with an incredibly well protected nervous system. Some members of the imperial college have suggested that the flesh is in fact more of a puppet that the skeleton controls. Thus, the old deadbeat saying: “There is a deadbeat inside all of us”. The consensus of the imperial college is a rejection of this hypothesis, though that may be due to its controversial nature. This leads to deadbeats being able to survive grievous injury, the level of which would normally kill say a hooman from blood loss, as well as maintain functionality so long as the bone is not significantly damaged. Critical injuries to the head are still fatal, as are heavy wounds to the upper chest. These characteristics may explain why even when thrown into some of the most suicidal military operations, deadbeat squads may find victory in operations intended to be diversions. They suffer terrible losses and injuries, but can keep pressing forward thanks to their unique physiology.

I FUCKING LOVE WAR

If /who/ rep is still here, are we trying to include Mumei vs Chama war into lore? I can write something about it

>>21528906
Wind energy might be for the best given the location, since you don't really get a lot of sunlight in the long winter months that far up north. That said, if the fusion reactor's still running, it might be good enough to power a decent aluminium production facility. In fact, it might well corner that market when the closest competition would be either water or coal powerplant (and /inf/'s probably the only one with the technology).

>>21529338
I'm not going to integrate it in lore since the Haachama general isn't active here, if I had to, then it would probably be as a series of games, sports, and exercises that take place between our nations or something, not an actual war or conflict.
I'm going to sleep now.

>>21529637
>>21529338
Maybe something like the Whisky War between the leaves and the danes? Some schizo in Haachama world proposed a bizzaro territorial claim on an island off the coast of /who/ and pitched camp there. Efforts by /who/ to disperse them through less than lethal means evolved into an annual event of harmless games on said island.

>>21529927
That would be nice, but I think we will need to wait until rep wakes up

>>21529275
>I don't think /hlgg/ would have the political power to do something like this, even if it was an imperial figurehead of sorts.
I think you're right. Its a shame because i very much enjoy the idea of hlgg being the seat of the hololive nations but without a rep and lore a lot of the early ideas of what hlgg was have fallen by the wayside. I think the edit looks great.

>>21528679
Once we get the other reactors started we can rerout power from the fusion core to whatever furnaces we need. It'll primarily be used to fuel the electric arc blast furnaces. We still have to make steel by hand. Once we get the steel machines built in the factory we can move onto aluminum alloy production.

>>21528645
/risu/'s climate is very humid. Which means steel tools won't keep for long without constant oil. Stainless steel should allow /risu/ to use the tools for much longer. After research Damascus steel does rust. So its either stainless steel or carbon steel. Which /infinity/ has /risu/ covered.

>>21530389
I don't think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive. Given that the world's based on the threads, and I highly doubt /hlgg/ nowadays have that kind of influence, any orders that come out from it will only be followed if the recipients agree with it. As such, the statement in the lore can be true if /morig/'s fine with following the orders of deploying deadbeats in meatgrinders.
One reason that I can think of that would justify that is that /morig/ (or at least the decision-making part) wants a stronger holo empire, which can be done if other member states follow their examples. As for the reason... well, a hypothetically united holo empire would be strong enough to shut /meat/ out (or even mount an expedition to destroy the threat once and for all), which sounds like something /morig/ is fine with.

If /who/ goes to war with the chama thread, will other holo nations impose economic sanctions on /who/?

>>21531151
War ain't getting incorporated into the lore unless both generals agreed to it. See how KFSP gets dropped by /KFP/ themselves. Also, Haachama is technically the aggressor here(Haachama's meme review stream predates Mumei's Ha stream by a few days).

>>21531151
Will /who/ ships get kicked out of /ggg/? If thsy do then that means /nasa/ will have to build their own port. Which means selling land to /nasfaq/ as a liability for a loan.

>>21531151
I think that chama started it, they are the agrresor, so sanctions should be put on them, besides

See>>21529927

>>21531383
fuck, wrong pic
meant this, kek

>>21530389
>>21531085
/hlgg/ feels a lot more like the seat of the Holo United Nations than an Empire that has any kind of authority over its vassals, in terms of both board dynamics and how it's been treated in /vtwbg/ lore so far. Maybe that would be a way to do it? Then those expeditions would be like the UN sending in the Blue Helmets somewhere.

>>21399563
Anchoring, update the first and fifth paragraph of the Biological Anthropology of the Deadbeat section to this. thanks archiveanon
>>21529275

>>21531342
>>21531383
Even if Haachama started it, how do you know the rest of the holo nations will side with /who/? At least the JPs could side with chama by principle

Just a heads up. There's no way /nasa/ is building a full wotking factory within a year. Maybe in three years they'll have the machines needed for basic manufacturing of metals. The machines will be hand operated. /nasa/ will have to hire labor for these factories.

As for making stainless steel /nasa/ has a small workshop in the station. The workshop can let us make stainless steel hand tools as fine as drill bits. Its not big enough for a full factory operation. So we're not making vats nor ships anytime soon.

>>21531986
Economic sanctions aren't free. /who/ is a significant exporter of food in the Western continent. Unless nations of the holo continent have significant geopolitical interest in /who/ losing the fight(or weakened when they come out of it), they would most likely stay back and don't do anything.
And again, refer to my post >>21531342.
If Haachama's rep and our rep don't agree to it, it won't get added. So it won't do much good to continue speculating.

Before I sleep. Did /who/ ever take interest in taming/domesticating owls for recon?

>>21532503
How do you propose us to use them? This ain't ass creed.
Chuubanite can potentially be used to do it but I'd have to actually read it first. There also isn't much lore on the importance of Owls in /who/ so thanks for the prompt I guess.

>>21532635
The owls don't have to be strictly for military. They can be used to scout game for hunting. I got the idea from Monster Hunter Rise. The reason you always see monsters on the map is because of Cohoots (owls).

>>21399563
I'm back. Looks like Lumi and Yuri are gone from CyberLive. /clg/ going forward will effectively be a Menace general. Anemic and busted, and given how Menace was the /wvt/ girl known as Megbert prior to joining CL, there's not much point in keeping our country /clg/ anymore. We are changing our name, since I don't see Zarro or Outcaster doing shit, to the Lampardalean Empire (Basilea ton Lampardaleos) and instituting a top-down ethno-cultural reorganization.

have the rentry link: https://rentry.org/ity2d

>>21533121
yeah, so when /lyg/ rolls around, please change everything /clg/ to /lyg/. Including the thread which I represent.

>>21533009
Owls are used in falconry. But they might be considered sacred in /who/ and thus not allowed to be exploited. While I want a bit more realism I'm also tempted to say fuck it and go a bit rule of cool here.
Thanks for the idea anyways.

I miss /meat/ <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="30" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/ed7d4c3a_wojakWithered.png">

>>21533258
Cats in Egypt were sacred and they were domesticated to protect the pharoh's tomb. I got a compromise. Owls can be used in falconry. However the owl chooses their partner. Not the other way around. If the owl chooses you to be its partner then you can fight together. The owl can also leave you when its time for it to go either from old age or mating season. That makes befriending the owls more special.

>>21533607
Did everyone from /meat/ get banned?

>>21533607
I don't

>>21535067
It's more of constant pruning turned people off

>>21535717
Why do jannies prune /meat/ threads? They're more on-topic than all the schizo splits they leave up all the time.

>>21535717
Do meatheads have a gathering thread in other boards? Maybe /trash/?

>>21535834
It's pretty inconsistent, so I can only assume some of the jannies have an axe to grind specifically

https://youtu.be/vOGhAV-84iI

Deadbeats?

>>21535194
had to miss something you've never fully tried, i guess.

New bread: >>21537792