/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

So, good or bad?

You done fucked up now Roa.

>Last thread deleted
>Put Roa in the OP to attract (You)'s and schizos as well as camouflage for the jannies
Very nice

can any nutter now just make a fake lawsuit just to get personal info

ORIGINAL DIALECT
DO NOT STEAL

>>21247998
Roa is suing Meiro.

>>21247976
Good for Roa, not good for whoever she sued (probably Narukami). His internet provider is going to give his identity to the court.

FINAL YAB? FINAL YAB! Yeah, Niji is done for DAAXD

>>21247878
ELI5?

>>21247976
Good for her, bad for Narukami, apparently there has been a similar case of hers judged recently and the guy got arrested for 10 years, Narukami is considering not even showing up to court anymore. I don't know what the fuck he is going to do.

>In addition, the complaint that the defendant demanded dismissal, such as "The character and the plaintiff are different entities and cannot be identified," will be rejected.
Jannies BTFO!

>>21248186
Is he still doing the court stream thing? I remember someone said he's going to give regular update for his court case.

>>21248283
4chan doesn't operate under legal jurisdictional shit. They'll still ban people for breaking immersion.

Cunny win!!!

>>21248319
He was giving updates during his cass, then he stopped.

>you cumdump, just come back home when this ends. we miss your dialect, and your cunny.

>>21247976
vtuber can be held accountable for whatever shit they say and playing it "by character" will not be cutting it

I hope roa comes back after... I miss her cunny

>>21247878
>Nijisanji actually protects their talents with an army of lawyers.
>Hololive just fires them for boyfriend yabs.
Why would anyone join Hololive after this?

>>21248794
because you don't need any sort of talent or skill to make it big in hololive

>>21247878
Obviously it would be approved since trying to argue the vtuber and the person behind it are completely different is moronic. This would be thrown out immediately after in any western court though since libel laws aren't as goddamn ridiculous. Imagine this combined though when your country decides defamation against a fictional character is equivalent to defamation of the performer or voice behind it. I swear if Gainax decided to sue someone for saying "Asuka sucks" on the internet they would unironically win in Japan.

>>21248954
But asuka actually is a completely separate entity to the voice actor playing her so the defendant would have won in the first place.

>>21248794
Well if she doesn't breach her contract she would not be fired, but yes the way hololive handle a drama or case is atrocious, there is no good example of hololive truly defending their talent

>>21247878
LES GO I WANT TO FUCK HER CUNNY AGAIN ToT

>>21248954
>Obviously it would be approved since trying to argue the vtuber and the person behind it are completely different is moronic.
In Japan yes but in the US you probably could frame an online vtuber identity to be more like a cartoon character and get away with saying whatever ridiculous shit you want. South Park spread rumors about Tom Cruise being gay like 20 years ago, something that actually damaged his career, and still got away with it.

So when can we expect Roa to comeback streaming?

>>21248108
This has always been true; legal systems in basically every country are severely outdated, and do not work well with the unprecedented freedom of information we have now.

When you think about it doesn't this ruling make what vtuber agencies do when a talent graduates kind of fucked up legally speaking? This is basically saying he character is an extension of the person themselves and can be viewed as one in the same and the companies just take away part of them if they leave their job?

>>21249346
Japanese law pretty much always sides towards corporations in every scenario. If the roles are reversed and a vtuber is suing her company they'd 100% flip to saying vtubers are separate entities from their characters and aren't required to be credited for their work because muh contracts.
But yes it's known that the whole "vtubers must keep their identity 100% secret and cannot ever reference it or list it on a job application after graduating" thing is entirely done by vtuber companies to control their talents. Most are too scared to leave their company when they know their life's work for the last few years will be completely deleted and forgotten with nothing to show for it.

They're in for blood huh.

>>21248794
>Nijisanji forces their talents to stop streaming for years in order to build up their "damages" case.
Wow. I'm extremely jealous. I sure wish my oshi would be forced to essentially graduate so her company can get a legal victory against some random faggot that talked shit online.

>>21249598
Roa will come back.
Rushia is gone for good.

>>21249598
If it was just some loser talking online they wouldn't have gone through all that, but people were ringing her doorbell and sending her mail so yeah. Force her to stop streaming if she doesn't want to? Ehhh, but it's still more reasonable than some shit talk on an imageboard.

>>21249598
Hey man a win is a win. Who cares about the girls, just watch other vtuber instead lmao

extremely based

>>21249598
I guess I never realized you have to take out all the potential antis and stalkers before you let your talent stream. This is clearly the correct way of handling these situations and Hololive should be more like Nijisanji. I mean, it's not like anyone misses Lulu or anything, right?

>>21249598
She literally became one of the most hated vtubers in the industry overnight because of what has turned out to be defamation. Winning in a court of law would completely vindicate her. Coming back before that would just be inviting antis to give her shit forever.

>>21249650
>>21249781

>>21247976
>sue a vtuber
>justice is forced to doxx said vtuber for the case now
incredibly retarded

>>21249781
>>21249814
Lulu quit on her own.
Rushia got cut off like a tumor.

>>21249801
I'm aware. I used to watch her. But it's been two years without her, anon. No court win was worth this.

>>21249856
And yet, in the end, both are gone forever.

>>21249872
So it's two choices graduate anyway because you'll just be harrased forever if you don't or take it to court and win with the hope of maybe returning one day intact.

>>21249856
Do you not understand why Lulu "chose" to quit? They were basically going to make her pull a Roa. She wasn't going to be allowed to stream for prolonged periods of time, possibly years, all so Nijisanji could build their damages case against her "stalkers". That was their strategy. And it backfired completely.

>>21249872
She's a student anyway so it's not like she was doing nothing for 2 years. She'll come back at the next 3D concert and everyone will shower her with love and it'll boost her channel and make Nijisanji look good.

Meanwhile Rushia/Aloe/Coco are gone forever and you're never getting them back.

>>21250030
Nijisanji didn't want Lulu to quit and that's why after she made up her mind, they nuked her entire channel as a form of petty retribution, even though she wanted her videos to stay up.

>>21250129
Source?

>>21250129
Whether nuked or not is decided by themselves as some like Kasumi kept all of her achieves while Chitose and Achikita kept their covers.

>>21250030
I dunno what this "damages" stuff is about though you make it sound like they're trying to milk these situations for cash at the expense of the talents. But some stalker and a shitty internet drama channel are never going to be able to pay anything like they would get from having two popular girls actually working that whole time. You argument makes no sense from the companies perspective or the vtubers.

>>21249872
Not worth for the fans but it is definitely worth it for the talent and the company, with this the talent have an example about whatever they can trust the company to watch their back, and the company can get a good image regarding their competence to defend their talent and attacking drama channel so in the future there will be less similar case to this one, now look at hololive is there any lawsuit to fight rumour and drama channel from them that have the same impact as this

>>21250129
This is shit even as a troll. It's a well-known fact that graduating Nijis are allowed to decide what videos they want to keep up.
Kasumi kept everything, Chitose kept her covers, Gibara nuked it all.
Nijisanji would obviously prefer to keep them up to get the ad revenue from all those coming back to watch their archives, but they respect the Nijis wishes.

>>21247976
>So, good or bad?
If you defame someone who is performing as a vtuber in Japan that's the same as defaming their "real" personality.

>>21250091
>Meanwhile Rushia/Aloe/Coco are gone forever and you're never getting them back.
why the fuck are nijiniggers like this?

>>21250245
She said she wanted her vods to stay up and then they privated all of them. Her roommate was really upset by it.

>>21250399
Cause it is true

>>21250438
>>21250399

>>21250399
It's a falseflagger, they will rile up both sides for pity entertainment.

I just woke up, this is great news. I know one day she will come back

>>21250407
>She said she wanted her vods to stay up and then they privated all of them
Timestamp please. Her roommate never mentioned anything related to her being Lulu.

>>21250399
It's not like I made them graduate, go shit on Cover for their incompetence if you hate the reality of the situation so much.

>>21250495
You're correct. But she alluded to that being the reason she was really upset the day they privated her entire channel.

>>21250541
So do you have a source? I never seen anyone talked about this expect (You), unless you give a porper timestamp I will asume that you just talk out of your fucking ass.

>>21250293
Are you so retarded that you don't understand what "damages" means in regards to a legal case?
In order to make a stronger case against the other party, Nijisanji told Lulu not to stream even though she wanted to. By not streaming, this created monetary damage that Anykara could pursue in court against her stalker(s).

>>21250753
I don't think you understood me. I was saying that wouldn't be in the companies or talent's best interest. If they sue for damages and win they're never going to recover it from the defendant.

>>21250714
Please learn proper grammar before attempting to insult others

>>21249915
At least Lulu not getting [[Redacted]] treatment.

>>21250476
Holy shit I kneel. That's longer than I've been into vtubers.

>>21248283
It means you can’t talk about vtubers on /vt/ anymore because it is against rule 2.

>>21248283
>nijijp
they were already letting those dox posts stay up

>>21247878
>“teased a junior”
kek

>>21248954
you could argue the medium matters - like if DC had Batman talk shit about Marvel in their comics. that, the lack of clear distinctions between character and person, and the demonstrable impact are reason enough

>>21250476
you and your dedication are an inspiration, anon

>>21250714
Of couse it has no proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9bfqtQdDA

And a big fuck you to the mods who allow this kind of shit behavior to infest the board as long as their precious oshi isn't involved.

>>21249201
>there is no good example of hololive truly defending their talent

Ya know, except the part where they fired an entire branch.

>>21249781
Did you try to fit square blocks into triangular holes as a child, too?

>>21250541
So no proof.

>>21252804
>firing an entire branch
That's the complete opposite of defending talents LMAO.

Narukami is getting fucked
Roa said the only reason she has not killed herself yet is that no one would be around to take care of her cats(her mom killed herself) so she's not letting this go

>>21254044
Ah shit why did you make me pity her more anon? I just want to watch her again after she comeback later, not to get attached with her this way.

>>21248108
only if they have standing, so no, and if they waste the court's time they can be countersued

>>21250476
I just saw a video of a guy with a Yuzuki Roa itasha. No idea how you support someone who hasn't streamed in so long, but I hope she comes back for you guys.

>>21250476
If Gibara is still around, my member will be about the same .....

>>21247878
Quick rundown but in proper english with the backstory?

>>21248183
Lurk more

>>21248183
Go back

>>21257548
roa is suing japanese keemstar for fucking up her career by editorializing the shit out of the meiro drama and the court ruled that he can't weasel his way out of what he said by claiming it was done as Narukami the character and not the person behind the avatar

>>21258013
Damn, that sounds like good news then!

>>21258013
Nice to hear that

Now that the court case is over, will she come back soon? If she appears in Hayama’s 3D debut with Ars, I’m gonna start bawling

>>21250303
It's a great boost to Nijisanji's reputation as a good employer for the current and future talents.

here's the thing, even if Roa didn't come back or decided to graduate after this, she can always comeback any time, similar to how bully panda did.

>>21248727
so nijisanji again serving 1984 chink agenda against freedom of speech, this shit sucks.

>>21259833
better than serving subhuman like (you)

>>21254044
Are all japanese woman this fucking mentally weak? Holy shit

>>21259182
Her court case hasn't been over yet. The court ruled that the access provider should provide the personal data of the one that Roa accused of defamation to her, then she would be able to sue that person for defamation directly.

Narukami is finally getting killed for good?

>>21249266
in like 10 years when she's legal

>>21260313
Roa's stronger than you will ever be

>>21249186
Tell that to the haruhifags back in 2007

>>21249529
Thank God the Japanese are smart like that, imagine what selfish bitches like Mori would do if they could just move on and take their shit away after company made them famous, there's no shortage of people out there who want to use it as a ladder for their own needs.

>>21249650
Roa is depressed and would kill herself if not for her cats, Rushia lost a cat and went complete schizo.

>>21248794
>hurr boyfriend yabs
You tourists are a pleague.

>>21261444
nta, but oh yeah. That entire shitshow that was the second part of the 1,2 punch after the baffling executive decision that was the endless 8.

>>21249801
>>21249951
She could come back especially after Meiro was outed as a shady person now I would say her career as a streamer would be pretty much dead after a hiatus like that but since she's in a company and it's jap audience we're talking about she actually might come back to bigger numbers than ever you never know, it's not like you can sue every anti or troll though and it feels like at this point removing Narukami out of the pictures serves corporate interests more than Roa's.

>>21259442
ive not seen bully panda in awhile mainly cause im EOP and her clippers dried up, does she still go after banderas like Ange does? did Roa still win even during a break?

>>21262314
It's mostly calmed down on sasaki's end, but it still flairs up every now and again, last I remember. If you want good shit with synergy, tho, look up all of daipanda's interactions with yashiro. That's the good shit. And as long as Ange lives, she will be a thirst machine in general.

Also it's still easy to say that Roa still wins because Belmond will still keep his stances while playing along.

>>21262524
>>21262314
oh, and while I'm at it, gotta share the most accessible clip that isn't their talk show. https://youtu.be/wmdJuQyaklc

>>21249872
>>21262293
Actually, she made it to several headlines on normalfag network would make her even more popular as she is painted as victim now, more people will come to her stream in the day she comebacks, she also updates her situation one in a while to keep the iron hot is a big brain move

>>21249529
Serious countries put corporations before people. Corporations involve multitude of people while an individual is just one person. It's only common sense. Which is why US is king and EU is a meme

>>21249801
Can I get a shorthand version of what defamation happened? I remember seeing clips of Roa years ago and never heard why she vanished.

>>21247878
So is Roa going to come back or will she make her graduation permanent? Seems like a super hollow victory considering she ended up basically graduating over getting mad at a literal nobody

Is japan retarded? What Narukami did counts as defamation? Yeah he's scum but defamation?
What a fucking stretch

>>21249346
no that's not how it works, the ruling is such that if you put up a sockpuppet and go "gas all niggers" online, and then someone sues you for it, you cannot then argue that "It's not me saying that, it's the sockpuppet" to have the case thrown out of court.

>>21265042
I can smell your fear from my computer

I read the summary of Meiro and Roa, but it didnt include what jpkeemstar did as defamation. Can anyone elaborate?

>>21254044
>Narukami is getting fucked
God I wish

>>21266075
meiro leaked dms btw her and roa and also from other niji talents(maimoto and few others iirc) to Narukami. Narukami released these in a video which is what brought the matter to public attention. When Anykara found out they terminated meiro's contract and released a detailed timeline breakdown and Roa released the full dm conversation to show what narukami released was edited to portray Roa in a bad light.

>>21248578
why narukami is bad but that drama faggot in rushia case is fine? arent he do the same thing like narukami

>>21266075
>it didnt include what jpkeemstar did as defamation
>>21267395
>why narukami is bad but that drama faggot in rushia case is fine?
KoreKore teases but doesn't actually make ANY actual statement, speculative or whatnot.
He ALWAYS hides behind other people public statements, and usually consult with the parties involved before publishing to make sure his ass isn't getting light on fire

>>21247976
It's neutral. Anyone who actually expected "achtually my vtuber identity is seperate, i shouldn't have to reveal it for my court case" to work in the first place is insane or retarded.

>>21252804
Things only got to the point where that was necessary because they fumbled that entire situation for weeks.

>>21247878
By solving her personal case she fucked up the whole industry. While the west are having a sexuality identity crisis, Japan will soon have a virtual identity crisis. I don't want to type too much but in a nutshell, binding legal action to a virtual identity is a big mistake and the the consequences are unforeseeable.

>>21269742
Spoken like a retard who doesn't understand the situation. The person behind the vtuber is the same as the vtuber. Their actions are the same. When it comes to shit like virginity or if they actually did go to bed when they tweeted such isn't applicable here, we're talking about slander and NDA breaking

>>21250338
This is shit, even as a cope

>>21270137
nice argument lol

>>21270137
>Guy presents a counterargument complete with cases to support his claims, not stretching the truth in any way
>"lmao cope"
You niggers need to find out what words mean.

>>21248794
Really deflecting this hard Nijibro? It was more what she did after and what was said, been doing for a while but didn't have definite proof till now she broke NDA was why she was fired. I'm sure Nijisanji would be glad to pick her up since they don't care since they hired a guy who fake his own death.

>>21270540
learn English SEAschizo lmao

I just want Roa to come back sooner bros...

>>21270540
Faking a death is nowhere near breaking NDA. He didn't even do it for money he just made a Youtube video coughing and saying he's dying from MS

>>21261381
>almost kills herself
Sure bud

>>21247878
>Narukami tried to say "It's just a work, brother, you can't sue me for a work"
>Court told him to fuck off and show up in court as himself because it's a shoot.
Fucking dumbass should've listened to the Hulkster when he had the chance.

>>21250476
based rorisanji lover

>>21254044
I hope that faggot korekore never talks again too

>>21274403
Korekore avoids this shit by being dodgier and also knowing when to not do shit that will blatantly get them in trouble, like leak manager names to the public from Discord logs.

>>21274710
Speaking of korekore that nanamori shit trends on twitter every week now, I thought it was over

>>21263810
I dunno how you've dodged all the Roa timeloop threads and retarded ass 2020 newfaggot rrat parroting but godspeed

>>21252804
backstabbing chinese deserve the axe

>>21274749
Of course that shit trends every week, nanamori got away relatively easy despite being a cheater and wife beater, he only went into hiatus.

>>21247976
>The good
Roa and her fans rejoice she won
>The bad
Narukami and other VTubers that provide news content creation now are held accountable for slander they are seen as the same as their VTuber (this means the whole industry is actually kinda fucked)
>The ugly
Meiro and her fans have to sit through this shit and see Roa comeback instead of being ejected

>>21280945
>news content creation
No, the downside is that no one can hide behind their online persona when they're being sued

>>21252804
Or the part where they made sure the talents got female managers if they wanted to make sure they didn't have to worry about sexual harassment and stalking

many such cases of Nijifans re-envisioning or forgetting history

>>21281188
So weird that Hololive women need female managers when Nijisanji has been going just fine with male and female managers

>>21280945
>Narukami and other VTubers that provide news content creation
lmao

>>21282065
I guess premium rrats will be at all time high. When a "news" bite a juicy bait, losing views will be the least of their worries.

>>21281188
Anon, are you forgetting WHY they put that policy in...?

>>21280945
How bad will the charges on NRKM be? And how will Roa and Meiro interact now?

>>21267395
Because Rushia was the one that leaked info to him, who exactly is going to sue him? Mafumafu?

>>21281391
Well, their livers kinda already had a lot of dodgeball to play around with, so ...

>>21250476
king

>>21267395
the nanamori stuff was insane u gotta watch that shit dude

>>21248794
>Boyfriend
When will you niggers finally do your reps?

>>21280945
>Meiro and her fans have to sit through this shit and see Roa comeback instead of being ejected
How is that "the ugly"? That's my favorite part, personally. I wish I could see them seething live the moment Roa comes back.

You probably will

>>21283960
Meiro already got fired two years ago, anon. They don't need to interact anymore.

>>21291233
oh right

>>21287403
It's ugly because /vt/ schizos are going to put in overtime LARPing as fans that don't exist for a vtuber they never watched as this whole thing progresses.

>>21280945
>Narukami and other VTubers that provide news content creation now are held accountable for slander they are seen as the same as their VTuber (this means the whole industry is actually kinda fucked)

That's a good news tho

If you ruin other people's lives, you must also be prepared to be ruined too

>>21284399
Wanna know what's funnier? That krkr guy actually fucking refused when Mike offered all that NDA shit, but the green bitch sent it anyways without his consent.

>>21250476