/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

You probably only watch him in collabs, Luca does as much pandering to fangirls as Mysta nowadays
The biggest brotuber in the western VTuber scene is probably Fulgur who refuses to do pandering on principle, which is ironic since he's a literal faggot

>>21199386
Bros are not fujobaiting faggots

>>21199463
I've watched him a few times playing solo games, and I thought it was ok, he wasn't a complete pandering fag like Vox is for example.

>>21199386
Chuuba that is straight and acts straight, preferably no funo baiting.
eg: Aruran (holo), Yashiro (Niji), Randon (en indie)

>>21199386
Luca does light pandering, though it isn't an extreme like Vox which makes it tolerable. What isn't tolerable is his constant twitch lingo, if he lessened that by about 20% then I'd say he's the perfect male chuuba to me.

>>21199702
Entertaining, actually reads chat and interacts with his fans. No pandering. Gatekept so hard, his chat is actually civil even at 4k

>>21199386
Bans any w*men in the chat.

I thought he seemed nice at first, but he's just another one of those shitty Twitch streamers that I could never care to watch.

Someone down to give me a 100% straight brojob. No homo.

>>21199971
Based

>>21199386
The best luxiem without being too boring or too pandering to watch (both solo and collabs).
Tho his chat is worst part about him, filled with fujos that are attention seeking whores. The problem is that he does give them that, fucking muting in collabs just to talk to them or thank SCs which should usually be done after the collab.

>>21199463
>Fulgur
he's pretty entertaining
he isn't full on brotuber but he's the best nijiEN has to offer at the moment
I was hoping Sonny would but he became a whore for chink money
we won't get too many brotubers if the views and money aren't there

it's weird how selen is the best brotuber nijien has to offer

>>21199463
Honestly you're right. People talk about wanting "brotubers" here pretty often but its all nothing but pure talk, there is 0 audience for it.

>>21202877
I don't know if it's a fault of the companies, the talents, or the audience, but vtubers in Japan manage to appeal to men and women just fine while acting like actual people.

I don't understand what the divide is but Kagami is bro as fuck while still being very attractive. Between 10 Nijiboys over here, no one really hits the mark. Fulgar's the closest to an adult but that's mostly because he comes off as a manchild instead of coming off as a child.

No fumobaiting

>>21202877
>there is 0 audience for it.
Most of the biggest twitch streamers are brotubers though?

>>21199386
Ideally, I'd like a Vinny in VTuber form but I've come to terms with the fact that it will never happen. Let's face it, when anyone aims to become a corporate VTuber, they likely want money and cute fans that simp over them. Pandering's a part of the job. If you want to become a brotuber, you may as well just be a regular streamer.
>>21199463
Fulgur is the only one I regularly sit through full streams of. Not only are his streams tolerable, but he's genuinely nice to his fans and replies to almost all of his fanart on Twitter.
>>21203006
This is just what happens when you hire a bunch of 20 year olds to stream full time as a job. Everyone is immature and nobody has a firm grasp on how to act like a human being in front of a camera. Pardon my going off on a rrat, but then they get the rest of their 20 year old friends into the company through nepotism and the cycle continues. The talents consist of people who know each other and have the same ideas/sense of humor, and as a result, create content that's pretty much the same.

>>21203775
That's kind of the issue. Competent brotubers are already successful on twitch. Why would you
-Split your earnings with a corpo
-Have massive trouble playing the games you want since permission hell is very much a thing
Realistically speaking i don't see that ever be a thing in the west unless some gem-in-the-rough brotuber pops up first and open the gates and others consider following suit if they're massively successful

>>21204721
Same reason you'd become a vtuber in the first place
-Shyness
-Desire to separate your real life from your stream life
-Love of anime

The further away from looking like a jpop/kpop boyband member the better.

Optimally a character that is actually masculine and without V-chin syndrome

>>21205297
Give me an Alexander Anderson / Asuma Sarutobi face not "any neural network will detect this as a woman" face.

>>21205297
Good luck getting anything like that with EN's mane-san being a KPop stan and the branch aiming so hard for female audiences.

>>21206526
hopefully next Nijiwave we get a brotuber that will break the mold and get views
i don't expect cover to do anything innovative with their male group. it will just be more fujobaiting.

>>21206777
>hopefully next Nijiwave we get a brotuber that will break the mold and get views
With how things are going I doubt it very much.
>i don't expect cover to do anything innovative with their male group. it will just be more fujobaiting.
Ironically, Holostars does nowhere near as much fujobait as Luxiem does, even MaFia, who are the most that do it the most, are pretty tame in comparison.
Though I also doubt there would be anything particularly impressive/interesting or "new" with them either, especially with how much the fanbase rejects change and just want more of the same, and how much focus Cover clearly wants to put on idolshit and music (unsurprisingly but still), so yeah.

>>21203775
There is 0 audience for it in vtubing. The kind of person that consumes that kind of content scoffs at vtubers. Walk into the community of any of those popular twitch streamers and bring up vtubers and you'll see how hard they'll ridicule you.

>>21204051
>This is just what happens when you hire a bunch of 20 year olds to stream full time as a job
Isn't Fulgur significantly older than that? The way he acts is not more mature than any of the early 20s livers in NijiEn. Sure he doesn't pander but I don't think thats related to age at all.

>>21199386
just accept your fate anon, its only troons and fagaronies now, mocca that faggot that gets shilled here resurrected his faggot ass and will aim for homoANUS EN to dab on nipplenegros

>>21207301
I think that just goes back to what >>21203006 said, JP male vtubers don't have to pander as hard since they are treated more as regular streamers. Some like Kanae or Fuwa have yumejo/fujo fans but they also have a decent amount of regular fans that make the chat not too bad. Same with HoloStars where most are just regular streamers with an anime model. The EN male vtubers has to turn the pandering and gay-baiting to the max in order to compete with EN females, mostly because regular people who are interested in male streamers go to Twitch instead of watching vtubers.

>>21206777
Considering how just a regular gachatuber made it to interview stage while he was insta dropped by niji, I would seriously look at StarsEN. They might just be trying new things since nijiEN already has a firm grip on the fujos.

>>21210781 (me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MePOKGdJXyw

>>21199386
NijiEN will never have brovtubers, the chat is already too full of girls that don't ask questions that a bro audience would, Luxiem boys can literally just say hello and these girls go ''AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW cute cute soo cuteeeeee my love''

unironically vox when he's not pandering
alban's moving more towards that, he said the other day he's gonna focus less on SCs from now on to avoid breaking up the flow of his streams

>>21212359
>unironically vox when he's not pandering
So what, once a fucking month?

>>21212504
collabs, fnaf, smash, most of his game streams. just avoid his zatsus and asmr and obvious bait shit like RFA

>>21208223
I believe Fulgur is recently in his 30s. Noctyx members are all older, youngest being 25~ while that's how old the eldest Luxiem is

>>21207301
Nobody does as much pandering as Luxiem does, not even among female vtubers.
Holostars EN is explicitly looking for an operations manager that specializes in female entertainment though so I'm kind of expecting the entire corporate male scene to be focused around whoring themselves out

>>21199386
a brotuber for me is a literal faceless 1 view male twitch streamer who is relatable to every single male.

>>21199463
>Fulgur who refuses to do pandering on principle, which is ironic since he's a literal faggot
Evidence #82347923 that /vt/ knows jack shit about fujoshi and yumejoshi. Gay dudes hate weeb fangirls because they think they want to "fetishize" them even though no woman wants to look at them. Why are you lolicons like this?

>>21215536
Save the preaching, you don't know the first thing about Fulgur. He loves fujoshi and their works. Utako, a hardcore fujoshi is one of his most admired senpai. He just doesn't want to be made to do kissy noises like Vox or pretend to flirt with chat in foreign languages.

>>21199386
this post >>21215486 reminded me that I do in fact have a brotuber I enjoy watching https://www.twitch.tv/paperbag_ch (he streams at midnight PST tho)

>>21216114
>actually faceless

>>21215740
Fulgur has said he hates fujoshi, that's why his chat is filled with genderspecial fake activists that hate them too and that was revealed when he said an edgy joke in one of his recent streams and constantly has to mention "no politics" in his chat when he was playing a game with politics in it. Just because he jacks it to porn of him and Uki doesn't mean he likes the artists behind the works

>>21216114
There are a lot of people like paperbag. Nobody denies they exist. They just have no viewers.

>>21205440
I mean I'm down for sitting in front of a screen and LARPing about killing heretics while screaming random admonishments in Latin, but I guarantee you that's 2view material speed running into a Twitter cancelation the second I mention the Jews.

Face it, there's no EN audience for male-oriented mantuber content

Who is an active brotuber?

>>21216621
>Face it, there's no EN audience for male-oriented mantuber content
Good, go watch QXC or icePisseidon whatever their names are

>>21216621
There's an audience as soon as a corpo spits one out.

>>21216621
"male oriented content by a male" or "brotuber" or whatever you want to call it is just standard normie streamer content; its what all the men with facecams already do on twitch. For that to be popular with vtubers, you would need vtubing itself to become more normalized among normies first, whereas right now the whole thing is just held up by a niche audience. And thats the opposite of what 99.9% of people here want. I imagine that kind of thing works better in Japan precisely because the medium is less niche there.

I LOOOOOOOVE VTUBERS!

I guess Yashiro is the closest one for me but I'm not that good at understanding jp yet. Chuubas in general don't really fulfill that 'bro' streamer vibe for me, if I want that I'd rather just watch Aris or Jerma

>>21205297
I don’t think that’s possible, I mean Noctyx’s boyband looking members like Zuni and Sonny aren’t doing that great compared to Luxium but these designs work great for females. Maybe we’ll get more Alban designs which can work for anyone

Corpos can't be bros. They often have to filter themselves to some extent for the corpo image. They can't be as crass as indies are. Unless EN corpos are too afraid to push those boundaries.

>>21217595
their interactions are impossible and I have not watched the anime.
girls would have no interest in a guy like Gojo, because they no interest in guys like me

You will only find peak bro in 2view indies. Stars EN probably won't be "bros" but will probably be less aggressively fujo than NijiEN so you can keep your eyes out for that.

>>21217710
NijiEn tends to get away with being fairly crass even if its not "indie on twitch throwing out a swear every sentence" level.
Still, given what you said just now and the known fact that making a bro work would require capturing the normie audience that watches people like Jerma, I think we are ignoring the corpo that has the highest odds of pulling it off: Fucking vshojo

>>21217971
They are nowhere like face streamers on Twitch.

>>21217971
Aight, we are doomed.

>>21204051
>their 20 year old friends into the company through nepotism and the cycle continues. The talents consist of people who know each other and have the same ideas/sense of humor, and as a result, create content that's pretty much the same.
Sort of agree. I don't understand why EN keep doing pog, nuts, bottom and whatever else so much.

>>21216411
He hasn't, though. Again, he loves Utako whom he's referred to in the past as "the fujoshi". Why you think fujoshi and SJWs are the same fucking people is beyond me, fujoshi are hated by SJWs.

>>21199386
Are there straight, western guys who watch male bishounen vtubers on their own and not because their girlfriend sends them clips?

>>21210781
>>21210886
Niji says give a month after auditions close for them to contact you. Dude probably tanked his chances by posting this.

>>21219229
I did honestly try to give Luxiem a chance when they debutted. Tried to actually play Smash with Vox during the couple of streams he had and it was funny laughing at the femanons getting upset during his FNAF streams when he would just recite all the autistic lore instead of pandering to them. Unfortunately that's what it seems like literally all of Luxiem is now. Haven't watched anyone in Noctyx but from what I hear it seems to be more of the same. I don't really care if they have designs that cater to fujos, some vidya characters I like could easily fall into that category, I would just like to watch a stream with a dude that's not terrible at games who prattles about shit he's into and doesnt stop every minute to make kissy sounds to some chink femcel who superchatted in broken English.

someone who plays something besides minecraft, pokemon, genshit, apex, MOBAs, or retarded indie horror games like phasmo

though I know those are some very high expectations to meet

>>21199386
we already have a brotuber

>>21220449
I lost respect for him when he apologized to those indie "game devs" for refunding their shovelware shit.

>>21199386
>watches Super Hero Time with (me)
>Geeks out over Gundam with (me)
>Encourages viewers to eat well and to lift.

>>21218105
>his chat is filled with genderspecial fake activists that hate them[fujoshi] too
>Why you think fujoshi and SJWs are the same fucking people
Okay you're retarded and can't read, don't know why I bothered talking in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6INmzxHqUc&ab_channel=EnglishNijisanji

whatever the fuck this is, i want an english version. but yeah i think brotubers just dont get to exist for the west as far as corpo goes, if you are actually a bro no one needs you to hide behind an anime avatar, japs just hate themselves really fucking bad and need to see everything sanitized and idealized into anime aesthetics.

ultimately it all depends on if a corpo gives one slot to a brotuber. remember, they control what kind of personality gets hired, so far niji EN hired entirely fujobait. will homoEN do the same? very likely considering the sanitized idol nature, but there is a market for a dude just dicking around and having fun without pretending to be gay and sexy, that dude sun kenji is literally copy pasted vanoss type content but with an anime avatar and hes doing really well for an indie male

>>21222517
I did misread, but I'm happy you still replied because I was hoping to unpack what a misguided threadreader you are to begin with.
>that's why his chat is filled with genderspecial fake activists that hate them too and that was revealed when he said an edgy joke in one of his recent streams
Nobody in Fulgur's chat was offended when he made jokes about killing himself. He chose to tone down the edgy jokes in collabs to not make his collab partners uncomfortable. In fact, he explicitly said he knew chat was fine with it. He just acknowledges it's jarring to say you want to die during somebody's celebration stream.
>and constantly has to mention "no politics" in his chat when he was playing a game with politics in it
They were getting really into DBH and a couple people started saying ACAB during a protest scene. They immediately stopped after Fulgur stopped them.
Also, he literally has a danmei discussion stream this week with several fujoshi NijiEN members, his friends. He also got excited at the prospect of a "femcel uprising" during his DBH playthrough - in short, not only does he not hate fujoshi, he fucking loves them.

No comment on EN (and VirtualReal cuz I don't watch them) but isn't a large amount of male chuuba in Niji doesn't pander? Everyone says Yashiro is the pinnacle of no pandering but honestly I can't remember the last time chuuba like Ibrahim, Kagami, Yumeoi,... did something like that either. Heck even Kuzuha doesn't do it. Getting teased here and there for a cute sneeze is not on the same level as literally making out with chat like Vox.

>>21224098
i think JP culture is very different, for the longest time they didnt have prominent lets players and e celebs due to lack of corporate backing and fear of copy right issues(i assume since copy right seems way tighter over there). vtubing opened the floodgate for gameplay content in general and a lot of dudes were able to have success just being good at games and being entertaining while having the support structure of vtubing companies. so far when it comes to the wester branches of JP corpos, the MO seems to be capitalizing on parasocial relationships instead of general streaming entertainment, which would require the vtubers to pander in some way.

>>21221060
this guy is /fa/ as fuck

>>21221060
why couldnt we get this.

>>21199386
Elira's black brother seems like he might be a brotuber. he just debuted: https://www.twitch.tv/koslaniakea?sr=a
Also, Onlyafro when he decides to use his Haruhi live2d is a pretty solid vtuber.

>>21208016
>>21203775
>Walk into the community of any of those popular twitch streamers and bring up vtubers and you'll see how hard they'll ridicule you.
while there is some truth in this, it is actually quite divided e.g xqc and in a lot of cases vtuber fans are more numerous e.g..forsen and the streamer even panders/enjoys vtuber memes e.g. bulldog,soda,miz. So yeah theres actually a good overlap between brotuber fans and vtuber fans

>>21230982
We can't get this because unlike Japan bro streamer culture was already established, so English speaking male chuubas attract more fujos than normal people. If you think about it EN female chuubas attract weebs while normal Japanese people watch female JP chuubas so it's the same thing.

>>21199786
It's funny how Yashiro's avatar is literally drawn by a faggot and has as many porn as the shota Kou and yet he is among the straightest member of Niji.

>>21199386
PewDiePie