/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>21140724
The Souls fanbase is known as one of the most toxic fanbases for a reason.

>>21140724
jesas

derrr im a gay souls retard let me wiki some builds instead of relying on my own skill

Chuuba is good at a game
>Wow, that was impressive, she's really good at this game, I can respect that
Chuuba is bad at a game
>Haha, she messed up again, how cute and adorable

Fuck man, the fuck is wrong with the souls crowd (this is coming from a die-hard souls fan). Let people play however the fuck they want. Also who wants to watch a person play the same way as everyone else bad or good, wtf......

Elden Ring is not structured in a way that makes for good streaming material desu

>>21140724
>Beats Tree Sentinel in only 2 hours despite having no knowledge of it's attack patterns unlike Chloe
Do people seriously think Hayama's shit at games? She's the one who motivated me to final buying Elden Ring
I wish I could tell her that, but I don't want to reveal my power level

>She had streamed Elden Ring for almost 200 hours
>Now she get comments like that
>With that much time spent playing

>>21144926
They have a flare of pretentiousness because timing rolls makes them "good gamers".

>>21142498
Still doesn't compare to GTA (the absolute worst fucks on the planet) and CoD. But they do come close. Really close.

Hayama should just have ignored them. People like Rion play like absolute idiots and don't get this shit

>>21140724
Souls fans are insufferable backseaters.
If you ever stream one you're better off turning on subscriber mode and telling your mods to wake up and deal with it.

>>21140724
Her member complained?
LOLS just unsubscribe and cancel membership and move on why bother harrassing the woman?
that's so stupid japanese male otakus are retarded

>>21145480
Soulsfags have become completely unsufferable through the years, they keep marching like this and they're going to compete with Smash Bros tourneyfags for the title of "group of people i don't want to be in the same room with"

>>21145734
>Smash Bros tourneyfags
You mean the den of PEDOPHILES?

>>21140724
>Play Soulsgame or mmo
>fail 3 times at boss
>read wiki/watch youtube tutorial
>fail 4 times more
>finally beat boss
>heckle random streamer failing boss at their first try
Losers

>>21140724
At first, I thought this was behind memberships and then someone leaked it, but it’s actually public...I wish she just ignored them

>>21142498
Can confirm. My brother thinks the souls games are the best games he's ever played (specifically ds1 and ds3) and got pissed off when I told him I wasn't really enjoying ds3 after playing it for 10 hours.

He seriously can't wrap his head around the fact that there are people that play dark souls to completion and just walk away saying "yeah, it was ok I guess"

>>21140724
Hayama will be fine, but let's keep threads of her to a minimum. I don't want EOP concernfags finding out about her and ruining her like they did with Korone.

>>21145480
How are either of those more toxic? My only experience with either of those is just overwhelming normie power, and they're remarkably easy to filter out.
Soulsfags are the worst.

>>21146403
Because gta is so vile that there's actually no community behind it. The few "gta" content creators there actually are...well are p.o.s like "Mr.Boss". It's beyond pathetic.

While I hate Souls fans as much as everyone else, I'm not sure this is actually a Souls fan. They bring up how she's playing nothing but Elden Ring so I think they're a regular viewer mad she's spending so much time on this one game instead of using a walkthrough and moving on to the next game to consume.

>>21140724
fucked up, man. hayama of all people getting hate is really messed up

>>21140724
Lmao hundreds of hours later she's at the end of the game now. Clearly her play style has done well enough for her.

>>21147134
And back to nothing but apex until whatever game catches her fancy?

>>21145480
No, soulsfags are worse just by virtue of what kind of game soulsgames are. CoD is a match-game where you become a better player by building skill by playing more just like any sport. Soulsgames are not about skill but about prior knowledge of pre-programmed scripted scenarios and executing a proper response at the right time, it is the most retarded type of game to be a backseating elitist about.

>chuuba after chuuba getting mindbroken by Soulstrannies

>>21147134
that's me, I will renew my membership if she stops playing that fucking game

>>21147134
FALSE FLAG NOT A TRUE SOULS FAN

>>21147134
>a regular viewer mad she's spending so much time on this one game
Not only should a regular know better because she usually sticks to only a few games and plays them between 8 and 12+ hours per session. It's also an incredibly backwards complaint to bring forward because the alternative would be just no streams. There aren't many Vtubers like her and she fills a niche by being herself so asking her to be more like everyone else isn't even constructive.

>>21147134
Pretty sure they’re mad she bashed her head against a wall trying to fight malenia for 13 hours using a scarlet rot dagger and parry buckler(The boss is immune to scarlet rot)

>>21140724
Pull an ina and mass ban/ put on subs/member only chat or just git gud

>>21151732
playing a 'notoriously attracting to backseaters' game to expose and mass ban them sounds like a good streaming strat

>>21147551
Most of Hololive weren't mindbroken by their chat they were mindbroken by the game itself.
Especially Gura she fucking sucked lmao.

Then you have huge stramers like asmond and Charlie who have comment sections so massive every backseat is drowned out in a sea of reactions.
That's the best solution, be more popular.

>>21140724
She should take a lesson from IRyS on how to deal with backseaters

>>21152056
Of all the chubbas in hololive, gura doesn't really get bothered by back seating. She sucked at Rimworld but kept doing whatever chat suggested and manged to survive through savescumming. Then there the DMC games and she manages to get through DMC3 on devil hunter.

>people wonder why no one in nijien is streaming elden ring

>>21140724
>souls fans come into a random stream to complain that the streamer isn't playing on easy mode
Many such cases!

>>21152798
Luca streams it but his chat is all chinese females that cheer him on and just have fun instead of backseating.

>>21153527
Sounds to me like nobody is watching him then
Bots arent humans

>>21153851
More people watching him than your oshi, incel-chama.

>>21142498
no we are not fucktard we are trying to help the girls this is like when kiara went STOP TELLING ME TO ROLL LESS,
DUH STOP ROLLING EXCESSIVELY THEN

why cant they just git good

>>21140724
Wait didn't she stream a lot of from software games already? and just now she's getting shitted on by the chat... makes no sense, just antis ig.

I mean that's a shame but at the same time grow some thicker fucking skin. How long has she been a streamer? Christ.

Botan said it the best yesterday. "There are people who clear the game on level 1." I don't want to know how many angry comments she gets for her poke and run gameplay but she is having fun.

>>21153984
>people

>>21154013
I hope you're just pretending to be retarded.

>>21140724
i have NEVER played a souls game and no amount of shilling will ever make me play any of them
that said, i agree they can be obnoxious when chuubas dont measure up, as if being competent at souls confers a badge signifying you as a "true gamer"
real elitist bullshit, worse than fgc faggots

>>21152056
As far as I know
>Ina turned the chat members only because of backseaters
>Kiara basically said it's the first time she's gotten annoyed by backseating, even though she normally explicitly welcomes it
>Reine had some sort of meltdown over backseating and apologized for it (didn't see it)

>>21155044
I don't understand how hard it is to just not read chat and just commentate the game while talking at your viewers. That's what Ina does most of the time she's streaming anyway, why does she suddenly care? It's only annoying if you have expectations that chat is anything more than a bunch of mouthbreathing children.

>>21154013
One (or realistically, a few guys) in chat saying the same message is enough. What's annoying is that you manchildren keeps saying the same advice even though chat's already full of it. No social awareness whatsoever.

>>21155182
That means the streamers actually want to interact (2-way communication) w/ their viewers but unfortunately the chat's full of garbage

>>21155044
Ina got mad because people were spoiling. The second she would get something, a bunch of people were saying what to do and where to go. She wanted to explorer and figure things out herself rather than people saying exactly what to do. If she wanted that, she'd just read a walkthrough while playing.

>>21155182
Check her latest stream, Ina's issues were on people spoiling questlines and what to do instead of letting her think on them.

>play like a pussy, act like a pussy
Sad. Many such cases.
Scrubs deserve the rope.

>>21154013
Genuinely kill yourself. I actually mean it, the world would be better without faggots like you

>>21155281
2-way? most barely react to chat at all unless you pay big $

>>21155911
if u feel like that it means u are watching the wrong streamer

Eldenfags are subhuman. The only enjoyment they get out of life is grinding through the latest Soulstard game, taking 10 hours to complete any given boss, and then hopping on some streamer's stream and acting outraged that the streamer hasn't beaten it in 10 minutes.

>>21156031
That's why I stopped watching Hololive and watch 2views and Nijis, they actually read chat and respond to comments that aren't superchats.

>>21152548
Is she just not going to put the stream back up for some reason?

>>21145480
COD bros aren't toxic they're just annoying and pathetic losers. The only thing they can do is cuss which every other esport scene or videogame genre does but in more creative and brutal ways.

Bitch you have one job: playing games

You can't sing

You can't dance.

You can't play an instrument

The literal reason you get a paycheck is to be good at games, and you can't even do that? And not only that, but the viewers are the ones to blame for you being ass and annoying to watch because you keep dying to the same shit?

Imagine going to a restaurant to order a burger, but when they serve it to you, it turns out they forgot to cook the patty. Then, when you tell them it's raw, and that you want them to replace it, all the other customers get up and start yelling at you saying shit like
>Fuck off! It's their restaurant, the chefs will cook it however they want!
and
>Fucking burgerniggers being toxic as usual. This is why Hamburzaki needs to add a slider option to his menus, make burgerchuds seethe.

>>21156723
u retards are funny fortunately u won't breed and definitely won't be successful in life
if the streamer u're watching is shit and u can't bear it just close the stream and watch speedrun or something why seethe nigger

>>21156723
>The literal reason you get a paycheck is to be good at games
jokes on you retard, because Hayama is terrible at videogames!

>>21156722
>The only thing they can do is cuss which every other esport scene or videogame genre does but in more creative and brutal ways.
You mean not at all, because every other game bans naughty words because they're obsessed with appealing to esportsfags? I appreciate CoD as the only game that still lets you trashtalk people. The fact that it's just people going "nigger nigger nigger" makes it easy to laugh at, too, since you know it's all in good fun, and no one there genuinely hates each other.

>>21156723
>order burger in pizza restaurant
>no burger
>complain about it
retard. why you watch vtuber again?

>>21152056
just another day of gura avoiding yab. she's enjoying the cute kirby game now.

>>21156723
I know this is bait.....but I'll bite
They are entertainers not pro gamers....
I think you are doing vtubing wrong.

>>21155209
no cause SHE DOESN'T FUCKING LISTEN
>>21155044
yeah she did weak shit, we are just trying to make her not suck
>kirikeee i rolled and died again ooops!
YES BIRD PARRY HIS FUCKING ATTACK WHY ARE YOU DUAL WIELDING?
>i want to dual wield tho
>WELL THEN YOU FUCKING HAVE TO ROLL INTO HIM NOT AWAY SO YOU GO UNDER HIS ATTACK OR JUM... FUCK SEE WE TOLD YOU STOP ROLLING AWAY
>guys im not having fun please stop
>YOU ARENT HAVING FUN CAUSE YOU DON'T LISTEN. FUCKING. STOP. ROLLING

that stream was so frustrating sometimes i feel like shes really low iq and you can tell she gets mad but its her own fault for not listening

>>21152548
weak she needs to listen and be better

>>21147256
lmao tell me youve never played souls wothout saying it lmao

>>21157731
oooh manchild cries when stranger on the other side of his screen doesn't listen to his rants

>>21157922
Following a ymfah video to have the flavor of the month OP setup without having to fight a single thing and being able to melt bosses in 10 seconds shows how much having prior knowledge advantages you in a Souls game. Compared to something like CoD where you literally have no choice but to get better at placing crosshair on target even if you're using the "meta" weapon at the time.

>>21157650
This is why I only watch girls like Botan and Selen. I can't stand watching gaming streams unless the person playing them knows how to play. Otherwise, I'd rather just play the game myself.

>>21158076
sorry didn't hear you over the aimbots what was that about skill? guess you havent played in a while its all lag switchers and bots

>>21158212
>Elden Ring doesn't have cheats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLbdiK-G2QA

>>21158161
unfortunately unlike you, many retards have a twisted hobby of backseating shitty gamers. I'm 100% sure those faggots are bored on good -at-games streamers because they can't put them down and hound them with advices

>>21157731
go get a hobby u fucking lead poisoned dog fucker

you've had 6 games to git gud

>>21156723
watching people suck ass at games rocks. it's funny to see people die in humiliating ways

>>21158400
my hobby is educating phoenixes and making them better what now bitch?

>>21146996
You need to be 18 to post on this site

>>21154480
>poke and run gameplay
Isn't that how many play Souls? At least from what I have seen many default to poking a little then running for the hills.

>>21158531
What if elden ring is their first souls game

>>21158212
That guy was right. Nothing against Elden Ring, but if you feel like you're some kind of "hardcore gamer" because you play a singleplayer game you're nothing short of a joke. FPS, Fighting Games, Puzzle games and other competitive genres are much more "hardcore" than any singleplayer game will ever be. Playing against another human being is a thousand times harder than playing against an AI designed to have flaws to be capitalized on during gameplay. It takes a couple of hours for the average person to get decent at a Souls games, it takes hundreds of hours for the average person to get good at a competitive game.

>>21159065
This 100%, it's the reason I can't help but laugh at soulfags.

>>21140724
>abloobloo inaudible chat forces my eyes to look at negative comments and make tummy hort :(
What is wrong with you retards? Your oshis arent here to suck her knights dick, you know that right? I'm the oldest of six, and even when they would watch and scream at me playing a game when we were kids it didn't cause me to write a paragraphs to vent or give me a fucking stroke from babyrage.

Genuinely curious, do the faggots here getting angry on the streamers behalf not realize that reading the occasional "git gud" and the like are just fucking words?
>it's not git gud its telling them how to play
Same shit, it's just words. Silent words. In a flood of other useless bullshit like emotes and sycophantic praise. Why are so many streamers such sensitive, mentally weak children?

>>21159065
What are invasions? ER is fucking babby tier for a souls game because of the invasion nerf, and all the other crutches, but the others were pretty competitive when you're getting an invasion every thirty minutes.

>>21159717
If you have equivalent pre-game knowledge to the other party, and have taken the time to progress to the same level, sure. However, due to how matchmaking worked twink builds run by people who knew what they were doing were unbeatable fights for new players trying to progress. Quite the difference from playing in a CoD lobby where the only reason someone is better than you is because they can place crosshair on target quicker.

>>21159717
Still no Souls tournament though lol

>>21158613
haha loser

>>21159717
Except you can literally play while offline and the only invasions you receive are from NPCs and it's still pretty much a single player game.

>>21159717
PvP in Souls games can be fun, but they're just not designed to be competitive. They're designed around the singleplayer experience and work best in that mode.

>>21159717
imagine calling a single player game competitive

Well I'm not surprised, I'll be more pissed if Eop caused this but let's be real
Back seaters should be shot in the knee, and have their hands broken
You make chat insufferable and I hate you

>>21160054
Deal with it, nerd. Maybe if she didn't fucking suck and got her mind off her boyfriends dick for a few minutes she'd be able to understand basic game concepts.

>>21160108
Nah, I'm good, fuck you

>>21160054
It's partly the streamer's fault too. I hate insufferable obnoxious chat including backseaters, but the streamers rarely raise a finger to punish that behavior. I say mass shadowban them from chat.

>>21160054
maybe she shoulda thought about that before sucking

>>21159932
>>21159975
>not competitive cause single player
>but heres the literal multiplayer competitive aspect that's present in every game
>lol turn off now not competitive
k

>>21160234
What do you expect them to do? Ban thousands of people in the chat spamming dumb shit?

>>21160231
You don't sound good to me bro. Mad that backseatbros get noticed without paying money for your whore to notice them?

>>21160243
The gameplay doesn't have enough depth to be actually competitive. The multiplayer aspect of it is more like a bonus for meme interactions between players.

>>21160243
It's still a single player game, there's nothing competitive about it faggot

>>21160286
They ain't thousands they're just vocal minority. And yeah even though they number to the thousands that's what I expect at least for the backseater bait like souls game. What I don't get is the streamers rant about how they're hurt/frustrated by the backseater but didn't do shit what the fuck just mass ban them and carry on

>>21160234
This is were having mods or something to help spam would be great
I think for the most part japan had been self sufficient for streaming, but lately it seems like the younger crowd seem to uppity
Hayama will be fine
Also everyone else
Cope seethe and dilate

>>21160366
>there's nothing competitive about it faggot
>don't compete with the invader and you lose progress and souls
>don't compete with the host and you lose souls
k

>>21140724
Imagine apologizing to backseaters. Japanese culture is fucking cringe

>>21160424
Tell me what happens if I press Alt+F4 when you invade me.

>>21160426
rejoice putin! botan is now a russian

>>21160477
The same thing that happens when you ditch in any multiplayer game. You look like a bitch. What happens if you press Alt+F4 in a warhammer quick battle in multiplayer? Or in many fighting game ranked matches? Nothing but time and acknowledgement that you're a bitch.

>>21160477
weak
>>21160286
>dumb shit
YOU FUCKTARD WE WANT KIARA TO STOP DYING TO THE SAME GUY FOR 3 FUCKING HOURS EVEN PEKORA DID BETTER IN SEKIRO

>>21160632
>>21160702
So I lose nothing if I do it? In Apex you lose ranking upon queuing up, meaning that if you do not perform you will come out at a net negative. But that doesn't apply to Elden Ring?

>>21160702
if you're frustrated seeing a streamer dying to the same enemy over and over again just close the tab watch fextralife or souls speedrunners why stay nigger

>>21144926
Because it's a REAL GAME FOR HARDCORE GAMERS!
When it's just Dodge Roll the game and some people just suck at reading patterns

>>21145734
Presumably they at least bathe. Right? Right...
Who am I kidding they probably smell just as bad if not worse

>>21144926
dark souls coming to pc genuinely ruined the fanbase. the general threads for demon's souls and dark souls pre-pc release used to be some of the best threads on the site, the elitist dumpster fire piss babies didn't start until afterwards.

>>21160752
Are you implying that fighting games aren't competitive? Many don't punish for a match dcing that can't be reconnected due to simple lag differences between players, and ragequitting loses you nothing because of it in many titles. If your argument is something needs to be lost in order to be "competitive" then that's silly and would be seen as wrong by numerous examples throughout multiple genres of games. What happens if you ragequit in Age of Empires? What happened if you bitched out in DOA lobbies? What happens if your pussy screams in rage during Mordhau? Nothing. This really isn't the gotcha you thought it was.

>>21160752
you lose matchmaking rank and matchmaking starts ignoring you iirc, essentially the game will blacklist you from multiplayer if you disconnect too much and will ban you from invasions for a while, the amount to which that matters to you may vary, you essentially have to opt in to pvp in every souls game tho so you never have to be invaded at all if you don't want to
>>21160800
dumbass, as some people have said above the games have a burden of knowledge factor, rolling towards the attack for instance is not intuitive, people started commenting cause she was getting frustrated and then instead of listening she got flustered and went into "gonna do it my way" mode, which was essentially trying to play counterstrike with knife only

i was in the stream and legit people werent trolling her, but trying to tell her the way she was doing it was never gonna work due to how the i frames and hit boxes work, which overwhelmed her, but really wasn't malicious (thats re kiaras stream), its not like the people talking were antis, its kfps that love her.

agree that people shouldn't spoil things, too

>>21161143
Thank you for actual information regarding the losses applied instead of the seethe in >>21160971. If PVP actually was fully opt-in there'd be far fewer complaints. Generally you have to choose to play with no online, or all online. Online offering advantages towards knowledge that you'd otherwise have no way to obtain. Invisible walls, secret jumps, etc.

>>21161233
elden ring is fully opt in,, previous souls games it was less so, thing is er is open world and random invasions like in previous games cant work cause the map is huge, so when you get invaded the area you are in gets "locked" if you would by fog walls, in er you can do all cooperative multiplayed and never be invaded at all if you dont want to.
older souls work as you say where there was no guidance or coop offline

>>21161233
>seethe
Truth hurts, you need to accept it. This >>21161143 anon is getting his ER knowledge solely on streamers that opt OUT of the possibility to PvP at the start. You need to purposefully go offline to never have the possibility of being invaded by another player, otherwise it's always a lingering possibility.
>>21161370
And this guy is even more wrong. You actually have a much higher priority of being invaded when you've summoned someone to help you. Some areas are more prone to invasion than others based on the things they can use to their advantage, but there is never a full 100% chance of no invasion if you choose to coop unless you've walked through a boos fog.

>>21161143
Yea she a retard so what? Why seethe? I have watched many souls stream archives not only the recent ER streams by the girls, but also old school DS:R streams by HoloJP girls. I can enjoy them without seething everytime they are stuck, if they are being retarded I just do other things until they get past the obstacle. You backseaters just have nothing to do with your useless lives.

>>21161612
nobody was seething tard, she got flustered cause she was frustrated by dying over and over and over again in like 30 seconds each time

>>21161612
>have nothing to do with your useless lives.
The lack of self awareness always gives a high quality picture from the projector you people have.

>>21161704
true, elden backseater chads, we won

>>21161673
lol ok backseater. imagine seeing many streamers having a rule which prohibits YOUR behavior but you still don't get what's wrong with it.

>>21161812
>giving a shit on some dumb bitch telling you how to behave or else the jannies or wrenches will totally get you so be a good little simp
What an precious product of a single mother you are. Keep calling people "backseaters" like it's some sort of shameful pejorative, I'm sure it will make people stop telling these shitty girl gamers to git gud. Faggot.

>>21161812
>die for hours doing the same incorrect thing
>show zero capacity for self-learning
>chastize others giving you information you clearly lack
Backseating is only an issue if the information is being given ahead of when you would naturally learn it. If you have tried for hours and still do not understand how the iframes on your roll works, maybe you should listen. ESPECIALLY for a souls game where having prior knowledge is a requirement for many things.

>souls schizo claims souls fanbase is not the most toxic
>literally proves they are in this same thread
You love to see it

>>21162063
It just keeps happening!

>>21161961
lol it ain't about fearing jannies, it's the fact that backseaters are annoying and hated by both streamers and other viewers alike. no self-awareness whatsoever. typical manchild

>>21162063
>caring about being "toxic"
You lost?

>>21140724
Great, better archive her playthrough before she privates it like sekiro and dark souls and it's lost forever.

>>21162054
this, its like, after an hour of kiara walking into the wall people were like "yo maybe the walking into the wall thing isn't working" and she was like YES IT WILL WORK STOP TELLING ME NOT TO ROLL ITLL WORK NEXT TIME
no babe it will never wo... SHUT UP IM GONNA TURN CHAT OFF NOW

>proceed to walk into wall for another 2 hours

>>21162054
Why teach ppl who doesn't wanna learn? The streamers are retarded on these kinda shit yes, but if they don't wanna be taught by you, take the cue and shut up. Are you too socially inept to grasp the basic signal of rejection?

>>21162185
>lol
>manchild
I wouldn't through stones in self-awareness deprived glass houses anon. Getting upset at a stranger's emotions because you've made an unhealthy connection to them in your lonely life isn't that great. Doubly so when the reason they are getting ass pained is because they lack the ability to look away from a corner of their screen isn't exactly evident of a mature mind either.

>>21162376
nice self own

I just the chubbas would do pvp in Elden Ring, because that shit is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga0XDT8lxDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-fs3EqBbKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q0OygERKvE

>>21162054
Did the streamer ask for help, or are you just projecting?

why the fuck is hayama always lashing out against her antis? I can understand being angry when someone leaked her member streams, but for the schedule complaint and stuff like this she could've ignored them.

It seems that her attitude got worse as well the more she cares about the complaints, she's in a vicious cycle.

>>21140724
Luv me soulslikes, 'ate the soulsfags.
Simple as.

>>21162313
Then they should limit chat, or ban the people making those comments. These features exist for a reason. I do not sympathize with people living with their own self-caused problems.

>>21162456
they asked with their tears

All Souls games are god awful for streaming they all share the same basic game play loop of dodge attack dodge attack which is boring to watch. I honestly don’t get how streamers get mad at text on a screen. You would think people in this profession would have thicker skin but apparently not. I do like hayama though

>>21162418
>funposting in a streamer's chat whos emotionally compromised and enjoying the reaction of them and their simps = (You) feeling the need to defend them on a korean origami forum and fail at stopping the former from happening
Yeah, total self own. See you in the next ER stream, still unpunished by your oshi you've spent time to kiss the toes of :)

>>21162376
what's your point speak coherently bitch

>>21162573
(thumbsupmiko_05).jpg
Try reading it again anon, you can do it! No need for foul language and getting upset!

>>21162528
That's what I've been advocating for since I entered this thread: mass ban backseaters and your chats are gonna be better places in the future. They don't do that, so I think they're retarded too. Like you, I don't sympathize on the streamers who got their feelings hurt because of backseaters, but personally I'm also annoyed by the obnoxious backseaters (and other kinds of annoying hecklers in general)

>>21162293
This isn't about playing the game wrong or right. The burden of making the stream entertaining lies on the streamer and not on the viewer. It is also in the streamers interest to somehow enjoy whatever they are doing. If being backseated is neither enjoyable nor entertaining... why indulge it? A sizeable chunk of her viewers are not there for the game in the first place.
If a streamer wants to indulge in sufferkino, let her fucking do it and help her if and when she asks. I remember Kanata's three streams to beat Sans and it was a worthwhile experience to just see her do it somehow even if what held her back for hours was the inability to draw circles for 5 seconds.

>>21162655
>silent chat is the same as vocal and potentially violent hecklers in an audience
You're are just adorable.

>>21162655
Ultimately, it's a firefighter complaining that they have to also provide medical care. Yes TECHNICALLY all a chuuba needs to do is stream, but part of streaming is managing your chat.

>>21162510
I believe the term is tilted. Best solution is for her to take a break and re-asses her priorities over some warm chocolate milk before streaming again.

>>21160971
Yes, fighting games are competitive. Elden ring and other souls shit games are not. Keep coping that you are "good" in a single player game

>>21157731
don't you ever use migo to post your shittakes ever again

also, please stop watching streams altogether

>>21162762
I accept your concession.

>being a dick to Hayama
Shame on you nigs, she sweet and one of the most benign vtubers out there.

>>21162707
If a streamer is that annoyed at backseaters. Why even play this game then? Are they so lazy and desperate for content that they have to play every FOTM as soon as a new one is available. Why is nobody besides indies and some small corpus doing anything new and taking a risk?

>>21162774
I accept yours, keep fooling yourself that your shitty souls is competitive

>>21162808
Because Coco graduated

>>21162813
I can only assume you're nta and just came in mid thread, looking like an idiot and not addressing any of the points on what constitutes something being "competitive", how other recognized competitive titles didn't meet that other anon's criteria either, and the like. It's forgivable, but embarrassing, so just bow out and leave the thread before you actually try to salvage your nigger moment reaction.

>>21162714
U think annoying backseaters make up 100% of the viewers who show up on chat? Hell no there are many who have adequate social awareness to comment responsibly and give advice with good wording so that they don't sound like a know-it-all geek.

>>21162528
Imagine being a streamer who is known for repeatedly turning off grayname chat and complaining about people who go "I just want to help you", while no one else is so restrictive to chat.
I don't think the problem is how to deal with unwanted help, or ""criticism"", as a holo. The self-made problem is being a popular streamer, the solution is to stop being one. There is an OG example for a person graduating becaue of how people interacted with her.

>>21163053
who lulu?

>>21163053
That's not unusual. If you don't adapt to the community rules, you are banned. EVERY streamer does this. Chuubas just generally come from backgrounds where they never needed to learn how to control a large popular stream. It's entirely their own fault for not using the tools available to them.

Backseaters should be shot on sight

>>21162974
>know-it-all geek
As opposed to the vtuber-watching totally-not geeks? Trying to call people names, exaggerating events, and pretend you're more of an adult because you're upset is just silly. No one "interrupts" a streamer because of a chat, it's 100% on the streamer's end to do that, there is no "heckling" being done you overdramatic child.

>>21162876
it still hurts

>>21163145
At least I don't annoy ppl by sounding like one (if you're annoyed, remember u subhuman). I tell you backseaters to 'learn how to give advice without sounding like a nagging bitch', if you don't want to I couldn't care less.

The only Hayama thread that passed 100+ post...

>>21157731
Migoposters are retarded but not this retarded
Go back to /v/ nigger bet you don't even watch any vtubers when they aren't streaming soulsgame

>>21163319
>know it all geek
>subhuman
>bitch
>mass ban
>obnoxious
>if you don't want to I couldn't care less
You sure sound like you COULD care less, anon. Who is your oshi? Where did the backseat touch her and in which game? A timestamp would be best to find these dastardly rogues.

Man I don't understand how people get elitist over Souls games of all things. They're often only hard because the AI cheats and reads your inputs, cancels animations, has absurd stamina, and long attack chains designed to make you impatient and try to get the fight over with resulting in death. It feels like the "hardcore" Souls fans are almost like a cancerous, parasitic growth on the series since it's because of them that the games lean so hard into the combat, and the devs try to find new ways to trip players up. But it's useless since the "hardcore" kids will really just look up the meta anyway while the casual players are baffled at how they keep dying in 2 hits to most bosses, and wondering why they need to equip the ring of shittenfart from the corner of the map according to chat just to survive the fight.

From games are leaning more on this style of design as time goes on and it's not an approach optimized for anyone. Elden Ring is the bestselling game in the 'series' by far, and it's almost a crime since this game is designed for Souls game vets entirely, but comes out the worse for it.

>>21163517
But Anon! Here is video footage of a person who played the game for 5k hours beating it completely naked with their fists at level 1 without getting hit once! Therefore, it's impossible for any criticism of difficulty to be valid.

It's fine, if the game fans are such niggers it's better to drop the game and not entertain them.

>>21163398
No worries anon, I'm sure he meant well!

>>21163090
Lulu never listens to chat. She solves everything through brute force even if it takes her all day like her graduation ghouls run

>>21163599
Telling someone they are misunderstanding a fundamental aspect of the game and prioritizing bad attributes that WILL make things harder for them because it's not in line with their current playstyle is not expecting someone to be a professional souls player. Going against said knowledge out of spite to "own the antis XD" just to cry and bitch later isn't the play either. Cope more. And git gud.

>>21163713
Yeah she seems like the personification of 'my pace' personality trait. Then, who was the example referenced by this >>21163053

>>21163464
Why r you asking questions you seem unusually prone to sticking your nose into other people's business.
Oh yeah, you're a backseater.

>>21162967
I accept your concession, soulsfaggot

>>21163663
love mikochi

>>21163910
When you continue to puff out your chest with nothing to fluff it out, this isn't the win you think it is. Not even trying a bare minimum attempt to use that other anon's points on the table you took over to salvage this. Keep flailing, it makes the (You) dopamine hit all the more rewarding.

>>21164104
Didn't read, concession accepted
Keep seething

I blame the pcturds for ruining dark souls community

>>21163847
Other people's business? Is a streamer's chat your business? Why are you so invested in a stranger's reaction to chat or an inaudible audience member's intentions with their posts if you don't care? Just admit it anon. You're mad. It's okay to be mad. It's a little embarrassing that it's because of a split second bit of text on a scrolling screen, but it's alright if you've resorted to bonding with pixels and their voice because of a lack of interaction. It's the first step to recovery.

>>21140724
Appreciate her happiness
https://youtu.be/1SI6bzw2Mjo?t=4766

>>21164201
You are correct in a sense that console players are so hiveminded and docile (proven inherently by their choice of platform) that the concept of forum trolling and flamewar are simply out of the reach for them

>>21156141
You can first try like 90% of the bosses if you use the in-game mechanics of summoning spirits and sometimes NPCs. Soulsfags are just retarded and insist on doing shit solo, underleveled, and undervigored

>>21164429
Too bad 90% of streamers are fucking terrible at video games.

>>21164335
U are in a downward spiral towards being mindbroken. Collect your composure a little before replying.
>split second of text in a scrolling screen
oh u mean the clutter of same condescending backseating advice which keeps flowing for a good minute or two? so that's how you backseaters view your attempts of 'trying to make the stream better' even though you're ruining it for everyone.

>>21164429
NEVER SUMMONING GET GUD YOU FUCK

>>21164429
Summoning help is like giving the controller to a friend who's already completed the game, it takes away the feeling of accomplishment when u finally defeat the boss

>>21164730
yeah, never summoned never will
>>21164660
seethe we make everything better

>>21164730
Summoning players, sure. But the game is balanced around the idea of using the available NPC summons for your area. That's why they exist.

>>21164771
funny seeing 2 (you)s in a chat.
>we make everything better
sure that's why your kind is listed as undesirables in most vtubers' stream rules lol

>>21164730
If there was a boss rush mode it would be different, but actually playing through the game I'm gonna do the bare minimum roleplaying, my character does not want to die pointlessly. Even someone who's immortal through recursion powers would not turn down free help.

>>21164660
I don't care if they get better or not, whos that scarecrow you're arguing with because never once in this reply chain have I ever said any thing like that. One post every ten minutes or so of being shit and telling them how they are being shit isn't something that you will ever be able to try and police. I'm not the "backseater" hivemind boogyman that keeps your romantically devoid life from posting in rage at your oshi's defense.
>Git gud
>look away from chat because you're a fragile minded woman or child
>be adjusted enough to not let words get to you and still look at chat without crumbling and running to twitter for support
Pick. One. Faggot.

>>21164792
The game is "balanced" around summons being adjusted to your current level. That's why Online is the default setting.

God i wish i was a streamer playing a Souls game just so i can suck at it and whenever people get mad and backseat i can read the advice, pretend i didnt see it and do the opposite just to make backseaters foam up in rage.

It must be some kind of cathartic moment to produce a wave of anger and frustration on hundreds of people by having fun in a game just because im playing diferently from how they played.

>no nooooo don't talk about hayama I don't want EOP's to have her
>200 replies later
Lol
Lmao

>>21164900
The resolution I'm for is not in your list, which is for the streamers to shadowban backseating bitches and laugh imagining their futile attempt giving advice to the void and malding when the streamer doesn't respond.
Unfortunately the streamers I (and you, most likely) watch don't pick any of the resolutions we come up with, and go crying on twitter.

>>21165002
>streamer in her mind
>your post
>streamer on stream
>crying and visibly not having a good time but at least you're totally owning those backseaters, right?
>streamer after stream
>types pity-bait on twitter
Every time. Have your strong and independent headcanon that anyone is "foaming at the mouth", but I'll be here laughing at their failure to hold up the tough face that's needed surmount the dangerous and mentally challenging act that is playing a fucking video game with chat.

>>21165026
don't worry nobody cares about a Japanese-speaking nigger, her model is fucking off-putting. We are all here to discuss about backseating phenomenon.

>>21165174
visualizing your brown skin rn

EOPs fuck off

>>21165245
lol I don't even mind dark skin on many vtubers. It's just her face is gross

>>21157731
Are you one of the greyniggers who seethes whenever she takes a break to go on tangents?

>>21153527
because women can't play lmao

>>21140724
Faggots are actually complaining about my retarded daughter being a parry master and killing everything with a dagger? Fuck them.

lame thread

>>21164362
The faggots complaining don't understand this feeling, so they can't appreciate watching it.

>>21165411
Are you one of the paypigs that thinks she's playing 5d chess and that anyone is seething instead of just adding another way to poke at her to the list?
>I'm going to do things MY way out of spite and make them leave in a rage
poke
>I'm just telling my stories so they go away cause they're frustrated
poke
>is now buck-broken and actually asks people to genuinely stop
poke
Oh yeah let me tell you I'm sweating in anger every stream because she never gives a reaction that it's working making it all meaningless. Theres a reason Botan and other's don't have this problem but those like Reine, Kiara, and Ame do.

>>21164792
Not really, game is plenty beatable without using any kind of summon and some of the summons are so stupidly strong they basically break the game.

>>21165826
Sure, you can beat any Souls game at level 1 with no hits naked using your fists. But that isn't what the game is balanced around. For all the "git gud" and "souls games are hard" the developers offer plenty of tools to bypass your problems. The game is balanced around utilizing all of those. Does summoning 3 friends trivialize a boss fight? Yes, but so does using fire against Phalanx.

>>21164792
Paralympic tournament exists for the crippled. Winning a normal olympic is much more prestigious that the paralympic.

>>21165899
Choosing to purposefully restrict your options in a video game does not equate to winning the Olympics, or the Paralympics. If you enjoy doing so more power to you, but that's not what the Devs intended for you to do.

>>21163517
Too bad they forgot they used to make games NOT Souls.
Although with how much of a disaster Armored Core was after Last Raven. I fully fear AC6 will just be generic Souls just with the AC Franchise name slapped onto it.

>>21166195
I mean Sekiro was more than just following the Souls Formula, so they are capable of it.

>>21165738
Oh wow, you really are frustrated over this huh.

>>21166343
he got a point though

>>21165896
Summoning players is implicitly a rubberband mechanic for people who are bad at video games. Summoning NPCs for major bosses on the other hand is literally part of the plot, such as it is

>>21166451
The actual NPC summons are weak as shit for the most part, and just end up being meat shields. Shit like the Mimic at level 10 is busted.

>>21157992
Same happened to Aqua and her apex run 1 year ago. Bugs started spamming and mass disliking her every stream for months because she didnt listen to their backseat. Fucking pathetic faggots

>>21166343
I'm teaching you what used to be known as the basics to getting rises from people on the internet. It's a lost trade these days and it either came a bit before your time or you've stayed in hugboxes till now and have just recently decided to dip your toe into the wider world, so take it in. Also, passive aggressive cattiness does you no good when the example being used was your boss who can't go a week without posting about muh mentals on twitter. Now be a good paypig and tiptoe your way around wording a red supah delicately enough to not crack her fragile and overly emotional ego.

>>21145333
Yes... Hayama is a bit... slow .

>>21166651
I wouldn't change a thing about her.

>>21166486
Streamers and management better understand that these backseaters are malignant tumors which should be removed ASAP

I like how no one even bothers to backseat Rion anymore. It's like people have lost all hope and just wanna watch her being dumb

>>21166651
Damn turns out the model's accurate she looks and is a tard

>>21166702
I'm too busy thinking about having sex with her while watching her streams desu

>Plays so autistically for several hours to the point he lost +1000 subscribers
>No complaint so far about backseating despite having more of it than any other chuuba in existence
Why can't women just ignore two three comments and move on

>>21166805
>autistic male chuuba found the secret to not getting angry with this one weird trick!
>just ignore it

>>21166782
It really is a close tie between her and hskw. I mean god damn.

>>21166906
The only thing that separates them is that Hoshikawa would be an easy get, on account of being a hot little slut, while with Rion you'd actually have to work for it to pull her away from her autistic day dreams of fucking Kirito. That would make sex with her feel like more of an achievement. The things you could do to Hoshikawa though my god it'd be hot as fuck.

I don't get why this is such a big issue when Hayama has played other souls games before?

>fights Radahn solo
Radahn gets nerfed
>strips naked to beat Radahn solo
OK taro!
>puts a point into strength
Everyone cheers

>>21163517
Sounds like you're just seething about it not being for you. I mostly enjoy the way the combat has evolved(I've seen none of the points you made actually happen except long attack chains and infinite stamina) and completely ignore the meta. In fact I've been inspired by someone to go hard in strength.

>>21158623
Are you retarded? (Rhetorical question)

>>21164792
no theyre not. Summons is your difficulty slider? You want an easy mode? use summons, you want a challenge? Don't.

>>21166782
>>21167006
>twintails and side tail
garbage taste

>>21162549
>dodge attack dodge attack
You can boil any action game down to that.
Souls games are fun to watch for the exploration, the very unique enemies and the uniqueness of each person's character.

>>21167226
Ask me how I know you're gay.

>>21166702
Rion is playing easy mode with magic spamming, so there's really nothing to backseat

>>21167274
The popular hairstyles of young female children don't appeal to me anon. You have a different opinion on that?

>>21167226
nigga why the fuck u so gay

>>21163517
Sorry but could you stop backseating? Souls games are super easy and can be beaten any way. Let your chuba enjoy the game. The hard aspect of the game and the meaning of souls like is, that is has no tutorial that tellsyou what to do. That's it.
These games have never been hard at all. Just stop being a backseater and let your oshi play

>>21167226
Yeah I think you might like men.

>>21167323
Your loss if you wouldn't let this little slut milk you dry because of how she does her hair. It's also an incredibly homosexual opinion.

>>21167378
>double digit bodycount but doesn't shame the kissless losers in streams, instead has tried to coach them in the right direction
I'm the homosexual? You're the one wanting to fuck an absolute bro.

>>21156504
based

>>21167438
Hoshikawa is built for sex, if you don't want to fuck her you are 110% gay.

Hayama doesn't deserve a thread this shitty.

>>21166211
Sekiro I got free with PS+ and man it was just the same. Desaturated as fuck, Doom3 tier brightness and just awful controls. And don't go "OH it gets better once you get past X" because you only get ONE shot at getting a player interested and boy did it flunk epicly.

>>21167927
Personally Sekiro is one of my favorite games of all time, and this is coming from a person who dislikes all the Souls games. The Sekiro combat is perfection, with the only real gripe I have about the game being terror.

>>21159065
this but unironically

>>21167927
>man it was just the same.
It really wasn't though? The gameplay is entirely different from what Souls stuff offers up.
>>21167927
>boy did it flunk epicly.
It really didn't though, it essentially got a universally positive reception. Just because you didn't like it for whatever reason doesn't change that.

>>21140724
It's disgusting how bitchy women get from people telling them how to play a game. Why does this never happen with men?

>>21168101
It flunked that way for me. The opening area is just really bad and I didn't feel like slogging through whatever shit they wanted to do. the fact I was penalized for saving was weird. Like respawning all the enemies in the starting level as a penalty for saving is a design choice I'll never understand.

>>21168139
didn't astel got mad people backseat when he's playing apex?

>>21168206
>Like respawning all the enemies in the starting level as a penalty for saving is a design choice I'll never understand.
The whole point of these games is you get good, and get through these areas without needing to go reset your heals every five minutes. If you felt like you were being punished because the easiest enemies in the game were respawning then you probably weren't going to have a good time at all.

>>21168300
Considering the stage layout had me lost and constantly looping without landmarks (and living enemies usually marks an area "This is new territory" in most games)
And thankfully I got the game for as much as a janny is paid.

>>21167323
>trying to even vaguely imply that wanting to fuck this is at all pedo
Where do you retards even come from?

>>21166702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeNYbvAxLw

Rion is just shit at every game she plays, people just watch her suffering and getting mad like dying to the most inane things even when she's magic spamming.

why are you obsessed with some Japanese hags you dont understand?

>>21166702
Jokes on you, i want her to suffer as long as possible. her suffering IS my pleasure

>>21168598

What is it about this loose gyaru slut that is so irresistible to menhera lesbians

>>21168598
People trying to find some way to call you a pedo for wanting to fuck Hoshikawa or Rion are themselves closet pedos trying to project.

>>21153984
nijien is botted to all hell.

I've never commented in a chuubas chat but this hate of backsteating has always seemed strange to me, isn't it kinda a given if you're going to stream a game? People are going to want to be involved even if that means trying to tell you what to do.
If you want to enjoy a game without backsteating just play it off stream, only stream games you wouldn't care about being backseated in.

>>21168770
Women find bodycount attractive, as it is a sign of being valuable. They are also too dumb to understand how easy it is for women to fuck.

>>21169060
No, anon. You're just supposed to mindlessly say kusa to every joke they make, un during the middle of every story, and pachi every victory. Anything more and you are clearly not the right audience.

>>21163517
It's even funnier when you think about how this franchise barely took off in 2009. I remember buying Demon's Souls and my friends laughed cause it looked like some shitty old game according to them. Hell the game had to be published by a third party because Sony wasn't interested.

Let me tell you right now, soulsfags SEETHE that they didn't play Demon's Souls back then because they don't have that "cred"

Hi /v/

>>21169060
The only problem I have is that some people get stupid aggressive with their backseating. Its like they feel personally attacked that someone wouldn't play the game the way they want.

>>21168238
Astel is a homo therefore a woman basically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c2DZbUVx2Q

Looks like Tashiro is trying to RTA dark souls

>>21140724
>doing this to Hayama
Fucking why.

>>21170158
Because people are shitty and have shitty lives, and need to drag down people to their level whenever they see them clearly enjoying themselves with whatever they are doing.

>>21140724
Spineless japs can never tell people to shut the fuck and shove their advices up their asses and and fuck off. It's the streamer's fault for not setting the boundaries correctly. I but she's a pushover IRL as well.

>>21140724
Wow, so let me get this straight.
Unskilled faggots are mad she actually is beating the game with skill and wits and harassing her for it? That's a new low for fromsoftkeks.