/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>21129139
Yeah, but they probably need a less feminine design to appeal more widely.

I mean, isn't that one japanese male vtuber really popular? The one with white hair I and a name that starts with K, I think?

I don't know, I don't watch homos.

>>21129139
Niji males are more popular than Niji females, but that's mostly because Niji females are all embarrassing failures.

Only if you cater to fujobait.

>>21129321

Kuzuha is the most popular vtuber at Nijisanji, and is a male.
The most-superchatted vtuber at Nijisanji is Vox, who out-earns all the holos, and is a male.

>>21129452
Any charts on the girls first 1 to 5 months?

>>21129452
The power of COCK.

>>21129139
brotubers not fagtubers

>>21129452
Good for that guy, never gonna watch him though

>>21129139
Absolutely.

>>21129139
in holo? no

will the industry as a whole become more egalitarian? probably

No, probably not.

There can be standouts like Kuzuha and Vox, but as an industry-wide trend female vtubers will always be dominant.

Even now a lot of people have an image of vtubers that male vtubers simply don't exist.

>>21129452
All this really tells me is that Mori and Ame fanbases are full of paypigs.

>>21129654
Yeah but the OP is asking if male vtubers will ever be successful. Which is a completely ridiculous question. Because in Nijisanji the males are drastically more popular than the females, and the females are desperately trying to leech viewers from them

Why does this stream have so many viewers? It's full of males, I don't understand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdIzBZAnKo

>>21130260
Fujos are the most powerful race in the world.

>>21129139
Kuzuha pulls CCV that can rival top Holos. Vox gets tons of supas from chink fujos that put him high on sc lists. So yes, but not many of them can do it.

>>21129452
You know what i find interesting in this? The fact that Ina, someone who really doesn't care for superchats, is on par with Kiara, someone who dedicates hours on end to read superchats.

>>21130260
EN Nijiboys are in a weird spot. They seem to have a monopoly on the entire female viewing population but it might well be the entire female viewing population.
They actually cannibalize each other harder than any other group of vtubers I've ever seen. JP boys have stable fanbases but I've seen Vox bounce between 2k and 20k which basically never happens with any other vtuber.

>>21129452
So that's the power of pandering to China... not bad...

>>21129139
>"Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally."
Maybe, if they went above-and-beyond. Like, started some controversies or---
>>21129452
Oh, God, what'd he do?!

>>21129452
the sheer amount of (You)s coping hard just proves this point. males are inherently more entertaining and desirous as entertainers. the seething viewers on /vt/ only come from the fact that they're insecure and not entertaining at all. even with the male buff viewers can't do anything but cry when an alpha like Vox appears on the scene.

>>21129139
As we've already seen from male vtubers, excessive pandering to female fans works, and being good at popular video games works.
I think people are a bit naive. It's very likely that the industry will become male-dominated in the future, just like normal streamers.

>>21129452
>super chats
Now do subs since superchats are only 30% of hololive talents income.

>>21129139
with regards to EN noctyx flopped hard so i'm not convinced that there's a much larger audience for EN male vtubers than what vox and mysta already have.

>>21129452
>massive superchats since niji only get income from supahs
> <500k subs
Oh no no no! VOX SISTERS! HOW CAN WE BE LOSING IN SUBS!!!!!

>>21130884
yet they still use SC even though there is streamlabs in the description

>>21130884
Uhhm sweaty post a source before you spread this cope across the entire board.

>>21129452
The Holos were playing Elden Ring and couldn't turn on superchats.

>>21130555
Pandering to his fanbase, the fujos, super hard (i.e: throwing kisses at SC, making thumbnails like picrel etc.). That coupled with having access to the virtually unclaimed fujo market of TW/HK/SEA made him one of the biggest male VTubers right now, if not *the* biggest EN(technically) Male VTuber.

>mysta's chat right now

>>21131690

>>21129452
>superchat numbers
When has this ever been a metric for success? All of nijien males have terrible subs except vox and he's not even close to holoen tier. Seems like goal post moving.

>>21129139
Vox is right there, the real question is if you can become popular without prostituting yourself Kuzuha is the only one I can think about

>>21129139
Only if they make one like male Bae

>>21131763
I got those disgusting minecraft stan shippers feelings from this image, might just me.

>>21131690
>>21131763
Gross. What does this have to do with this thread? Seems like a fast chat I guess

>>21129139
That would require there to be as many lonely women as lonely men, which I doubt will ever happen.

>>21129452
Damn wonder what these numbers look like on a graph.

>>21130884
Since the anon you quoted reposted my chart, im doing just that right now. Stay tuned for the results...

>>21132419
Vox tranny mogged lol

>>21132419
wait he only has 400k subs? the way people talking here thought he was a big vtuber.
so just rich women giving him money but small fan base or something?

>>21132580
He has really low viewership but gets lots of cash. Nijifemcels use this to say he's big but he's not. He's dumb boring and ugly but has attracted a small amount of rich Chinese femcels who dump money on him for fart asmr before coming on /vt/ to shill the superchat number. Meanwhile his views and subs are barely out of 2 view indog tier lol.

>>21132708
wtf reminds me of shill campaigns on v
sad
listened to him for a bit but hes really cringe and doesnt seem very smart either

>>21132419
>400k Vs 4mil
Nijinipples in shambles

>>21132419

no wonder they focus on superchat instead of actual popularity

>>21132708
>low viewership
25k ccv today, constantly over 12k.
>>21132580
400k in 3 months.

>>21133373
Dude this much cope isn't healthy lol!
>Under 400k
Oh no no no!

>>21129139
Not really.

On youtube, the male vtuber with the HIGHEST subscriber count is Kuzuha at about 1.23 million subs.
Only a mere 1,230,000 people.

On the female vtuber side, there are at least 19 Hololive girls with more subs than him. Girls with more than 1.23 million subs.

If even the MOST POPULAR male is getting mogged this hard, it just goes to show that male vtubers will never be as popular as females.

>>21133726
It just tells you that brand is more important than gender.

>>21133373
>lower ccv than council
Hahaha!
>12k average
Naaaahhhh lmao! Lose some weight you fat ugly bitch lol.

>>21133637
>b-but 400k is lower than Gura I don't care that she's been out 17x as long as him
>Superchats don't matter, no I won't provide a source
Who's coping again? Accept it anon. He's still growing.

>m-muh dead subs
Why are holobronies like this?

>>21133373
>25k ccv today
Pandering offcollab with Mysta. He stacked lots of buffs for this.
>constantly over 12k.
Not really. His average is around 10k.

>>21134143
>subs don't matter!!!!!
4 million
Man feels like saying 6 million to a Jew. They fucking lose it lol!

FOUR MILLION
hahahaha!

>>21134143
Don't try to reason with them, they're coping extremely hard and constantly moving the goalposts because they're afraid. They need to make up retarded excuses because they know he will surpass all of council before the end of the year.

>>21130884
>>21132424
There you go, exactly what you asked for. These are the gain of subs for the last 30 days. That number is averaged, and placed on the left. Charted out by wave. Interesting finds:
>Sana has gained more subs on average than Kiara in the last 30 days
>Nina Kosaka is the second fastest growing femalevtuber between Nijisanji and Hololiv, only beat by Gura
>Nina is outpacing Yugo
>Vox is growing 14.3 times faster than Kiara
>Vox is growing 2 times faster than Gura
>Almost everyone in NijisanjiEN girls is growing faster than Council
>Almost everyone in NijisanjiEN girls is growning faster than Kiara, Amelia, or Ina

>When comparing Myth to Council, Council is growing 44.97% as fast as Myth
>When comparing Luxiem to Noctyx, Noctyx is growing 70.50% as fast as Luxiem
>This means that, at this point, Noctyx is less of a flop than Council.

You asked for it.

>>21132363
"you can't discuss vtubers in my numberfag thread"

>>21134555
>gain of subs
>not subs
Do you think I can't tell if you're being a subversive faggot anon?
Hmm might have to make a few charts myself lol.

>>21134555
Holy shit forget Noctyx most of the girls are out-pacing Council kek
>>21134647
>why didnt you use the most pointless metric of all time
Holy cope
Kiara has 1.2m subs but averages 2k views
Why would anyone use dead subs as a metric for growth?

>>21134647
Didn't Kizuna AI have 3 million subs, but only got a few thousand views on her videos?
Sub-growth correlates to viewership, not raw sub numbers.

>>21134415
He might do it in a month or two at the rate he’s going actually

>>21134647
>15 seconds later
rumao, were you really waiting and refreshing the thread to try and damage control this?

>>21134286
Did I say something that gave you the impression I care what the content of his streams is?
>His average is around 10k.
Higher than council, IRyS, 3/5ths of Myth

>>21134747
Having trouble screenshotting the data, but you get the idea. I even removed the part where noctyx was gaining 10k a day because that would be untruthful

>>21134843
>>21134747
>>21134756
>NOOO STOP SUBS DONT MAATTEERRR!!! STTOOOPPP
4 million dead nijis

>>21134647
>gets immediately btfo
>p-p-post subs then
>*posts subs*
>f-f-f-faggot!
it feels, so good.

>>21129139
Seeing as all of the top traditional streamers are male, I'd assume it will happen eventually. You'd just need a streamer willing to degrade themselves as far as someone like Ninja.

>>21134985
>Can watch and sub for free
Useless metric in a business setting which is what vtubing is

>>21135042
Gain of average subs isn't subs though is it.

>>21134647
>>21134985
Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall I'm convinced you are genuinely retarded or ESL. Wish I listened to the anon that told me it wasn't worth it.

>>21134985
>SEA esl cant type properly through his tears and puts gura at 388 million subs
im rumaoing so hard, thanks for the datapost >>21134555 anon

>>21135042
>here I'm going to compile all subs bro
>okay
>gain of average subs
>that's not subs though
>OMG SUBS DONT MATTER OMMMMGGGG!!!
Oh man. Think I'm hitting a nerve.

>>21134555
checked, holy based
>>21135202
>>21135293
samefag in shambles
dataposters thriving
thanks niji

>>21134555
they got real quiet after this kek. Watch they'll move the goalposts again or find some new cope.

>>21135293
They're losing on subs so they will says subs aren't important. But when they compare vox with sana all they talk about is subs.
When a nijisanji gets high subs watch them say how important subs are.
Subversive Chinese and indog femcels can't help but be this slimy and dishonest.

>>21134555
>trips
>straight numbers
>no rebuttal

>NOO YOU CANT DO SUBS YOU HAVE TO DO SUB GROWTH STOOOPPPP!!

>ARRRGHHH NOOOOOO ITS SUB GEOWTH THAT MATTERS NOT THE SUBBBSS!! NIJI SISTERRRSSS!!!!!!!

>>21134865
Just gave context of that 25k, since without it this can be misleading.
>Higher than council, IRyS, 3/5ths of Myth
Yes. He's much bigger numberfag through and spams buffs left and right. His non-horror game streams are on council level.

>>21129139
Not by trying to appeal to the same audience, no- there's not a huge overlap in people who want cute girls doing cute things with males. But there's a massive market for people willing to appeal to thirsty women.

>>21135515
The reason why subs dont matter, at least in a major company is because you'll get 65% of your total subscriber base before even debuting. Pic related is IRyS, who is basically second slowest HoloEN growing after Sana (but most subscribed of the second wave mind you)
>>21135764
>>21135844
>he actually fixed the chart
rumao, really impressive that Vox gained more than 25% of Kiara's sub base in 5 months actually

Well anons, who are you going to trust
>>21134985
>this guy?
>>21134929
>or this guy?

>>21134555
>Vox is growing 14.3 times faster than Kiara
that's all I need to hear anon. today was the hardest hololive has gotten btfo that i think i've ever seen on this site

>vox cope average subs gained
>Chad sub count
Oh man it's not looking good vox sisters

>>21136354
What does this chart prove? Vox, who debuted like 3 months after Council, is now passing all of them while being from a much smaller company? How do you possibly see this as a win for Hololive?

>>21136354
NOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SUBS DONT MATTER ITS SUBS GAINED ON AVERAGE THAT MATTERS DELETE THIIIISSSS!!!!

>look at these numbers!
>no not those numbers! look at these other numbers!
is it any wonder that numberfags are schizophrenics

>>21136354
I can't believe Vox is on top sisters...

>>21136461
>What does this chart prove? Vox, who debuted like 3 months...
Oooooo fuck yeah there it is!!! Delicious fucking copium. Fuck I'm so hard right now.

>>21129548
Good for him.

>>21130406
It's like that with everything between them. Kiara was a number hungry tryhard while Ina never cared, but Ina basically always kept the lead and reached 1m before Kiara.

>>21136486
Plenty of holo talents are actual numberfags (kiara for example), so it's more about their mental state

>>21129139
No.
Vtubing has worked so well for women because it is a direct upgrade for them since they need to be appealing to men.
Men don't need to be attractive to entertain other men, in fact, it often repels them. No straight men is every going to watch other men pretend to be anime; it's simply not a form of entertainment straight men look for. Male vtubers are forever hard capped by being limited to the fujo/homosexual.

>>21136354
>>21136479
>>21136543
ill see you in 2 weeks when vox passes everyone in council anon. sorry you're so angry you have to samefag this hard
>>21136555
thanks miko :)

>>21136549
what is it trying to prove though? Vox debut in December and Council was in August

>>21136632
which begs the question, does numberfagging lead to schizophrenia or does schizophrenia lead to numberfagging?

>>21134555
>That Sana and Kiara
KFP don't look...

nice thread.

>>21129139
In Asia yes, I doubt it will ever happen in the West.

i don't know about what you guys think but chinks aren't really considered humans. therefore, the value they add in whatever form of numbers and statistics are always invalid. that's all.

>>21136543
Makes it easier to do this!
EAT THIS NIJITROONS!!!

>>21132419
We only look at superchats here.

okay this thread can now actually be about the topic now

>>21136806
>4.6%
it's over for nijinipples

why are nijigays so popular with the supas in the first place

>>21134985
>>21135235
holy kek

>>21136806
>gura red
>vox blue
also
>>21136806
>>21136894
>samefagging so hard he can barely wait for his 1 min posting limit to be up

>>21136806
>comparing someone who just debuted to a gen that's been around for a year
holy shit this is sad

>Seanigger copes by accusing other of coping
many such cases!

>>21136806
>4.6
NIJI IN SHAMBLES!!!
Based pie graph chad.

>>21136851
I like your optimism anon, but it ain't gonna happen.

>>21136918
Male Vtuber audiences are mostly in asia, where supachat is more common. Western audiences (nijiEN girls, holoEN girls) don't feel the need to as much.

>>21136851
The answer was always an obvious yes. Men will always dominate whatever field they're in when given enough time. You're seeing the beginnings with the Nijis, and Holoboys EN will likely cement it as a trend with an absurdly successful shota.

>>21134929
>the virgin average sub bar chart
>>21136806
>the chad sub pie chart
Mogged

>>21129452
kek the absolute seethe this post has generated
I kneel to vox, and to you too, anon

>>21134555
Kind of surprised Alban is #1 in the wave but I guess it makes sense.

>>21136806
>superchat amount
>average sub growth
>every time I argued with a niji he would slip through my fingers like jelly
>then when I caught him and beat him the next day he wouldn't even remember the debate!
>eventually I grew to hate them
Why do sub counts trigger nijis so much?

>>21136636
I wrote this in a hurry and my mistakes are bothering me so I'm fixing them.
No.
Vtubing has worked so well for women because it is a direct upgrade for them since they need to be appealing to men.
Men don't need to be attractive to entertain other men, in fact, it often repels them. No straight man is every going to watch other men pretend to be anime; it's simply not a form of entertainment straight men look for. Male vtubers are forever hard capped by being limited to the fujo/homosexual market.

I also want to add that if "male vtubing" were ever to become big, it's not going to be anime and it's going to target the child demographic.

>>21137773
Wait, is sub gain a bad metric for measuring growth? Sorry I'm new

Reorganized it, and coloured it by company
>>21137893
No, don't reply to that guy he's just a schitzo

>>21137773
Haven't you noticed?
They claim vox is beating council.
He isn't.
It's all a big lie to shill him and pretend nijisanji are winning against hololive.
They will use any metric they can get, except the one that counts because there they lose.
Plain as day.
Average sub counts are easy to fiddle with numbers and get outcomes you want.
But plain subs?
It's like showing a cross to a vampire.
If they hate it, it must have some truth to it.

>>21137893
probably. Susan always fucks with vtuber numbers.

>>21129452
He'd be higher even without resorting to skimped statistics. These 34k & 28k must've been special events and need to be accounted for accordingly by putting similiar events on the girls side - or just kick them out as outliers alltogether for everyone.

>>21137893
>growth
>will
>soon
>someday
>two weeks
Ah I'm sensing a trend here.

>>21138074
What does Council beat Vox in other than subscriber amounts?

>>21138164

>>21138185
>other than
Subs is the metric that matters the most. It is the best sign of the popularity of a channel. There is no other metric as important.
But I know you're squirming right now for an angle. Very sad.

>>21138303
>how much money do you have
>well I'll have 200000 in a year
>no but right now
>that's not important
Hmmm... Something's fishy.

>>21138037
Niji males on zhang buff, Niji females got a lil bit of it.
this is it right?

>>21138407
>How much money do you have
>I'm getting 500k tomorrow
>But how much do you have now
>495k
>Y-YoUr A fAiLuRe!!!11!!!

when china invades taiwan
that's a when i'm looking forward to

>>21138412
Nijimales got a zhang buff, which made the youtube algorithm hit them in the west, now its Zhang+west. Girls only get the western audience from that

>>21138518
Oh here comes the cope! Nijicope lmao!

Do you think we don't know you're samefagging?

>>21138601
Reminds me when Holo got the zhang buff, and the algo was flooded with Holo clips from zhangs. Good times

>>21138340
Its the sign of all time popularity, not current popularity.
Imagine how retarded it would be if you measured a countries worth by the amount of people born in them over all time rather than by their current active population or population growth.

On behalf of Hololive, I would like to apologize about the schitzo poster. Please don't think we're all like that

>>21138518
>bro I have more money than you!!!
>oh yeah? I got 500k right now what do you have right now?
>uh...uh... WELL IN TWO YEARS ILL HAVE 550K!!!! ITS GROWTH THAT MATTERS NOT WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT THIS MOMENT OMG IM RICHER OKAYYY!!! NOO STOP!!!!
Nijisanji in absolute SHAMBLES.

>>21138710
>introducing, the most popular vtuber of all time...

>>21138770
We're not talking 2 years, we're talking about tomorrow. How hard will you holocope tomorrow?

>>21138710
>not current popularity
Ah there it is. Sweet slimy greasy copium. Every metric but the one that is the most important. Do you know why you don't like the one metric that is important namely current popularity? Because you looooose. Lmao! Sad. Bad. Cringe. What a disgusting fatty you are. Aahhhhh feels good to see nijinipples admit they are literally beating around the bush because they can't accept the one metric that is universally important. Oh no no no!!! Hahaha!

>>21138770
insane how we're back to where we began
>>21129452

Why does Vox NEED to beat council? His demographic is entirely different from them, there's nothing to be gained for him by "beating" them.

>>21138892
>not a vtuber

>>21138946
But it isn't tomorrow yet you stupid fuck. When you have the numbers come back and brag but you don't which is why you skirt to unimportant shit like superchat numbers and retarded bar charts about average sub growth lmao!

>>21138946
>Vox has a lower subcount than Sana LMAO
Vox has a higher subcount now
>Vox has a lower subcount than Fauna LMAO
Vox has a higher subcount now
>Vox has a lower subcount than Baelz LMAO
rinse and repeat

>>21138980
Because it makes holobronies seethe, which is very entertaining to watch

>>21138970
Yeah it's funny huh.
>>21136806

>>21138980
When your mind full of numberfagging, every number matters. for those tribalfag that is.

>>21138999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9udg6DGmtW8
anon?

>>21139029
Ok, I'll be back tomorrow :)

>>21139079
>vox higher than fauna
Uhm sorry sweaty not yet lol. Bar graph fag caught lying lmao!!!

>>21137257
The problem with this logic is men already dominate one important field: audience. And that domination creates field that favors female chuubas.

>>21139175
>>21139258
Vox will literally have more subs than Fauna at this time tomorrow, are you really ready to be hit with that much seethe anon? it's unhealthy

>>21139168
roastie commissioning a 3d model of herself so that she no longer needs to do her makeup for streaming is not vtubing

>>21138980
Have you seen the discord leaks? Nijisanji talents hate hololive and want to beat it. Their fans also want that. They hate hololive because it's more popular and because their talents were rejected by it.

>>21139311
HE LIED!!! HAHAHAHAHA! LIAR LIARRRR!
>tomorrow
Oh no he went straight to coping hahahaha!!!

>>21138739
Its fine, its clearly just one schizo false flagger.
its partially our fault for trying to debate in good faith with him.

Anyway, the threads been concluded. Yes males not only can be, but currently ARE successful. They just need the right hires and the right company conditions to run them.
They have good growth, good viewership and are clearly very profitable.

>>21139284
You could argue cause and effect with that. If the female demographic isn't being tapped there's a naturally lower audience percentage of them. There sure as hell isn't a shortage of girls loving anime though so it's just a question of winning them over.

>>21135962
>5 months actually
three, not five

>>21139349
isn't that what mumei, mori, and kiara did? doesn't seem much different. Pokimane has 6.8 million subs so shes the most popular

>>21139465
>average sub growth when asked for total subs
You're really seething right now. I can feel it

>>21129452
>Vox Akuma
>Height: 5'10"

OH NONONONONONO

>>21139465
It's okay anon I know that Nijifans are in good faith. Good luck with your oshi

>>21139372
Hard not to see them with how much they were being spammed. Thought they were pretty much harmless except that one guy being a retard though. Heard he's the shitter in their group too so that behaviour checks out, kinda.

>>21139536
The thread topic was can male vtubers succeed.
Luxiem is profitable and has an upward trend.
If you want to masturbate over subs make a separate thread for that.

>>21139726
Subs are the measure of success. It hurts you I know. But it's a fact.

>>21139518
If you can't comprehend the difference then you're unironically retarded.
Either way, this is the last (You) you're getting from me.

Okay thread over!

Conclusion:
Nijisanji is growing faster than Hololive
Nijisanji livers are earning more money than anyone in HoloEN
Nijisanji girls are outpacing most of Hololive girls
>kiara
schitzos are attrached to data
Males can succeed, as proven by >>21129452 and >>21134555 anons

Are number threads always this cancerous?

>>21139680
Shows their attitude to hololive and their unprofessional nature. They shit on people in private who they use for clout in public. They're snakes and backstabbers and it shows. Just because they didn't use foul language doesn't excuse that.
If it was hololive talking about niji that way you would blow your top and lose it. But because it's punching up its somehow okay.
Just sounds like a weak mindset to me.

>>21140125
Worse. When they thought NijiEN was going to play Elden Ring before HoloEN, they were organizing mass stream reporting. It's not even numbers related, it's full-on tribalfagging in there.

>>21139933
Okay thread over guys!
Vox is not successful and is mogged by every council member in subs and views.
Actually even comparing vox to myth and he disappears into the pie chart lmao!
At least now we know that vox is a failure.
Such a shame.

>>21140147
Backstabbing the people they've never interacted with or worked with by talking business with coworkers? Also no I wouldn't because it's literally a nothingburger.

>>21140216
That's.... very petty. Fanbase wars are about as cringe as console wars honestly, just childish shit.

>>21140147
and find a job too, learn how the real world works

>>21140384
>never interacted with
Wrong. But even so you would never catch a hololive talent saying that because it isn't a good look. Especially JP talents because that shit is bad form no matter if they're another company or you've never spoken to them before.
You give nijien a break because they're unprofessional and small. But in the corporate world and the Japanese world this is unprofessional and disgusting. No hololiver would talk shit about kizuna ai for instance. They would praise her for making vtubing a thing as a big senpai.
Meanwhile nijien talents seethe over hololive talents because they were rejected and number fag about metrics that aren't important because they're losing where it really matters in popularity and subs.
Of course the apple doesn't fall far from the tree with the fans.

>>21138739
Some actual good and decent Holo fans? Holy shit I never knew you existed. Thank you for making your voice heard.

>>21138739
>Niji schizo false flagger
It's just sad now.

>>21140772
it's just some random schitzo SEA people, not at all the normal. See http://poal.me/a8un1y

>>21140852
Keep replying to yourself it's just you and me here schizo femcel.

>>21138980
small dog syndrome.

to answer OP Nijisanji generally has more successful men than they do women.
Neo Porte's Hal is also another one. men can be successful.

>>21140685
Based

>>21130716
Is someone paying you nijifaggot? I hope you enjoy getting topped tonight

Biggest male vtuber atm is kazuha at 1.2mil subs.
He is dwarfed by everyone in myth. Even Kiara and ina shit on kazuha at 1.4ish mil.
When you compare kazuha to the biggest female hololivers he's dwarfed by their subs.
Can they be successful? Sure.
Are they and can they ever be as successful as female tubers?
Not even remotely close.

>>21142535
1.2 is remotely close to 1.4 though anon

>>21142535
Kuzuha does get really good CCV regularly. dwarfed by Gura and Mori in subs sure.
Mysta from EN might be better than Vox for the argument cause i think he has a better average and pulled 30k on his 300k/1st karaoke.

Chin-man, from jp also gets really good views (although he is He-Ayame so rarity buff)

>>21142645
I wouldnt call 200k difference remotely close. Kazuha and myth have evened out in subs after rapid growth and these numbers aren't likely to change much. If you look at all the hololivers over 1.2mil there's a lot. Meanwhile there are no male vtubers close to kazuha. Vox is a very little fish at the moment. People say be will be really big but at the moment that's not the case. I also doubt he will surpass kazuha.
So yeah they can be successful. But when you consider how many female talents are above the biggest male vtuber in the industry it's not comparable in the stats.

>>21143101
i think it's moreso that the holobox is ridiculously strong then being Female > Male. Bottom barrel shitters like Anya, Iofi and Sana are still titans in the grand scheme of things.

If 2434 knew how to do this instead of being Vtuber Battle Royale, more dudes would probably be bigger.

the box does backfire since Stars are all midgets with i think only Robel being the consistent 4view.

>>2114328
I don't think the market is that big for males. Luxiem did well but the second gen were a total flop because luxiem had totally saturated the available fans.
Meanwhile female talents have plenty of room for growth and a much larger base of fans to draw from without competing very much with others.
I doubt there will be another million plus male vtuber, but I expect holox and eventually some of council to hit a million at some point. Especially when hololive big events roll around for them like 3d etc.
I don't see male talents competing with that.
Doesn't mean they can't be successful, but the vtuber industry is almost wholly driven by a male fanbase and thus female vtubers.

>>21129234
Nope, the "feminine" design attract women
the actual content attract men
Kuzuha is a twink vampire boy that attract women who are into those fujo baiting animes with vampires
but she still only play FPS and Action games

>>21129321
Anon you can say who he is, knowing won't turn you gay

>>21143505
>Flop
>Still doing better than the niji female
You don't know the definition of a flop.