/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>21036696
Yes, and then it will be revealed she has a bf the day after her debut.

Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to see anon but until then keep creating threads like this!

Isn't fauna a gfe chuuba

what is GFE if what gura does isn't GFE? have you seen her member streams?

>>21036696
Will OP finally stop being a collosal faggot?
Cap:verification not required

>>21036696
We already have one

>>21036797
I love you mikoposter, keep up the good work

>>21036696
Fauna
Ame
Gura(member stream)

I swear every time I see a picture of this girl the exposure goes up

>>21037096
Gura Killer

>>21036812
>>21036988
Fauna calls herself onee-chan or even mama sometimes, but she always keeps her saplings at an arm's lenght.
That's as far from GFE as one can get, she family zoned her fanbase.

>>21036855
What does she do in member streams?

None of you virgins know what a girlfriend experience is like anyways so how could you even tell if you were getting a girlfriend experience

>>21036812
Fauna is the NTR experience

>>21037902
sex

>>21036785
kek

>>21037902
Dick sucking ASMR, unironically

>all the new talents are anti-idols zoomers
>StarEN
Yeah it's over, Mori burst the bubble and hololive is slowly transforming into nijien/vshojo.

>>21036812
>>21037376
Only GFE if you’ve got an Oedipus Complex or an Onee-san fetish, which, to be fair, is a category that includes a lot of Saplings in /vt/.

>>21037988
Now you realize the target of GFE are people that used to have one, while the actual virgin live in blissful ignorance free from all that shit.

>>21038115
>Dick sucking ASMR, unironically
A bit of an exaggeration and she only did it once but sure I guess

>>21037902
a lot of kisses, "i love you"s and dragging out the end of streams with borderline "no you hang up first" behaviour

>>21037902
says she loves me and gives me chus. yeah thats right me.

>>21038587
brat needs correction

>>21038185
it's more common than you think

>>21036696

>>21039761
since when does she have a mole on her breast?

>>21036696
when they poach Nene Amano

>>21040173
it's a very small spade

>>21037096
I'm expecting something good from her. She's the true Water Hashira after all.

Too many stars would have to align
>EN management would have to magically gain standards for new hires
>EN talent(s) would have to take this job seriously
>Either EN management would have to actively tard wrangle talent at all times or an EN talent would have to be smart enough to play the GFE game and keep it up
Any single one of these things would be a miracle. Having all of them happen in the short period of time between now and the next wave is beyond impossible.

>>21041746
Idk are there any GFE YouTubers with 1mil dead subs?

>>21036696
There's honestly a higher possibility of a brotuber coming out of the starsEN or BFE than GFE after the Michael Neko thing.

>>21038006
Fuck you

>>21036696
Stop asking for GFE, you dumb fucking cunts, that shit is just a terrible side-effect of garbage otaku culture. Just treat VTubers like any other YouTubers and watch them like normal people.

So basically a lot of them are bait and switch but no one goes all the way, is that it?
Even Kiara does some GFE stuff to an extent and she’s a lesbian

>>21043071
>Just treat VTubers like any other YouTubers
so don't watch them at all?

>>21038006
Nah, Mumei for NTR Experience..

>>21043071
no. they need to be my girlfriend

>>21043071
>Just treat VTubers like any other YouTubers
Why would I do that? I want a cute anime girl saying she loves me, not a random slut who doesn't even know how to play games.

>>21036696
>Ame

>>21044453
based

>>21044633
What about Ame?

>>21044213
Nah she's not really GFE from the many times that I watch her. Fauna however does GFE ASMR.

>>21043071
Fuck off and go back.

>>21042188
Seething kek

>>21043071
Kill yourself

>>21036696
Isn't IRyS a GFE chuuba?

>>21043071
why dont you go watch normal youtubers instead of trying to transform them.

>>21036696
At some point, you people will learn that the true GFE exists beyond the holobubble.

>>21036812
i believe she wants to be, but too many people know so she has to hold back

>>21036812
Fauna's the mother experience. Not even mommy, just mom.

>>21036696
They already have 11 of them.

>>21045920
My mother whispers in my ears to sleep, is she NTR experience?

>>21036696
There's only 3 types of chuubas
>GFE
>coombait
>Japanese person you only find interesting because they're Japanese

>>21048271
Reddit cope

After Rushia incident? never

>>21047724
She is. People constantly forget her for some reason but she's actually the only EN period that is open to pandering. Her voice pack is scandalous and her car date stream is infamous. No one else does GFE at the branch at all

>>21048492
True.

>>21047857
I don't know, her PL channel is full of sweet gf roleplay ASMR so she doesn't hate the idea and I doubt Cover would just not allow her to do GFE, I think she just wants to separate Fauna from what she used to do.
Fauna is your onee-chan/mother, not your gf.

>>21036812
Sure, if you wanna be a cuck

>>21047724
no, she makes people gosling by being perfect but other than the one off valentine's stream it's not an intentional focus

>>21048374
>Japanese woman you only find interesting because she's autistic
Yes, that's my oshi.

>>21048979
She's planning to do more date streams, said she had 5000 boyfriends when referring to her members, released that GFE voice pack.

>>21043071
To any chuubas reading this - when I want to watch flesh and blood YouTubers, I put on SteveMRE or Tasting History, NOT streamer girls. 'Otaku culture' is the whole point of vtubers. Taking it away is like serving a hamburger without a bun and toppings - it's still edible, but why would I want a lone patty when I can order a steak?
>>21049124
>5000 members
Even if a chunk of that is in meme ARS-tier currency that can't be any less than 15-20k a month, can it?

>>21047724
On a side note, has any holomem been fucked as hard by her model as IRyS?
I see so many people calling her a nice girl but her model filters me hard.

>>21043071
But that's what gives chuubas the competitive edge, and why the scene didn't just burn out in a year when all the trend-hoppers left.

>>21049230
Yeah IRyS has a Flare thing going on. Weaker viewership but very high income from it. She has a strong working class population.
She's selling the dream vanilla Otaku GF basically. Definitely intentionally, though part of her charm is that it's most likely just her natural self cleaned up for stream instead of an elaborate character.

But definitely GFE. People will say Fauna but Fauna actually avoids it harder than most of the girls and just gets labeled because it's an obvious expectation out of her style of vtuber

>>21049124
she also uohhhh's over every attractive male in sight, openly talks about preferences and collabs with people that break the bubble. GFE isn't just pandering every now and then, there's an intentional parasocial element you have to work toward and constantly maintain

>>21049653
Gushing over actual celebrities or anime characters isn't a dealbreaker, and she doesn't break the bubble herself.

>>21049544
Flare's original model was so terrible she got a full rework. I think Nene got a ton of touching up, too.

This is excluding Gen 0 girls who were basically potatoes at the start due to tech/budget limitations.

>>21048979
I wouldn't say she's gfe. It's like dating vs committed relationship. IRyS is the type where you go on dates every once in while, she teases you and hints at the possibility of being together long term. But whether it's a lack of experience or she doesn't want to cross that line, there's a lack of real intimacy that would make her GFE. She doesn't do the mundane couple talk of how you're doing, asking whether you're taking care of yourself and making sure you look your best.

>>21049954
>asking whether you're taking care of yourself and making sure you look your best.
Is that what gfe chuubas do?

>>21049729
She doesn't even make the bubble herself, the biggest thing missing is the "don't watch other vtubers, only me" aspect that real GFE streamers push for, and her community interaction is limited to her main 3 drawfags instead of giving attention to specific random fans like Rushia or other JPs

>>21048582
That isn’t what he meant
>I don’t know
You don’t but most do. It isn’t really a problem though but is likely why she tapers her gfe a bit.

>>21050108
I find it really interesting that she doesn't do that much in terms of pandering beyond teasing and jokes - at least not as heavily as the main GFE streamers do - but somehow she's gotten her IRyStocrats absolutely down atrocious for her. I've hardly seen gachis that miserably down bad almost anywhere else.

>>21044213
Mumei for High School Crush Who Has a BF and Actively Turn you Down experience*

>>21050015
IDK that's what I would expect from a GFE tuber who wanted to do a less toxic version of Rushia. do you know how many guys would KILL to have a girl ask them those simple questions every so often?

>>21043071
>greynigger sharing his tourist opinion #2328

>>21050259
IRyS gets a HUGE buff because of how much of a weeb she is. she's basically one of us considering some of the crazy stuff she's talked about in her streams

>>21049856
Flares original model wasn’t really that bad and certainly not in the jarring way that irys’ is.
Nene’s old model wasn’t bad at all but it was Chinese and Gintama inspired while Nene and Hilolive went in a different direction. She gave up her New Years outfit initially to get a base model replacement.
Some kid don’t like a model and do rarely use it like Subaru. She almost never uses her original Tomboy sports manager model which makes it jarring when she is 3D since that is the one she has.
And this isn’t even getting into the swimsuit fiasco, or Mel’s similar model trouble.

>>21050472
I don't watch anime though.

>>21036696
all of HoloEN is GFE, you idiot

>>21048271
Not the anon you’re responding to, but I’d say my Oedipus Complex/Onee-san fetish comment applies here, so it’s entirely dependent on the individual viewer.
>>21048492
I think people count her out because no one’s entirely sure how much is intentional and how much is accidental.

>>21050472
>crazy stuff
what, watching anime and being sheltered and loved by her family? She's the least colourful girl in hololive.

>>21050472
Doesn’t even count as a weeb when you’re part jap and spent most of your life, including much of childhood, in Japan? Otaku is probably the better term.
She is in a big way, but knows to conceal her power level beyond charming hints and slips. I don’t think she’s talked about her love of incest anime outside of members streams as Irys for example.

>>21050516
i would say most of the IRyStocrats that are down bad for her do watch anime. it's like finding out the girl in your class likes the same hobby as you do and you can talk for hours about that hobby without it feeling forced. she geeks out on anime from time to time and that energy makes her chat feel things

>>21036988
>>21036812
>Fauna
Do your reps. Fauna is one of the few Holos that has openly stated she has a bf.
>>21036696
Let's see
>Kiara
Has said that she's okay if viewers pretend she's their gf but because she knows that she will never have a romantic relationship with a fan. Not a candidate for GFE, she has no interest for making that illusion. She's still the most feminine EN though.
>Gura
No sex energy.
>Ame
Maybe, some streams sure but most of the time she'd rather go for dumb tomboy type.
>Calli
lmao
>Mumei
Too dumb, not romantic.
>Fauna
No interest at all in GFE.
>Bae
That Valentine stream was the closest HoloEN has to GFE actually. Probably the best candidate unironically.
>Sana
lmao
>Kronii
lmao
>Irys
That face lmao

>>21050259
honestly i'm a chumbud and egregious gachi but what i've seen of IRyS I understand it completely she's just adorable
also she is probably the queen of unintentionally lewd comments

>>21050576
People insist fauna doesn’t do gfe because it is a dirty word but then turn around saying they want a mommy gf.
As for Irys she knows exactly what she’s doing but maintains plausible deniability in order to seem more like an idol but also heighten the tease. This kind of appeal is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cINFeXqwbDo

>>21050786
>spoiler
they're intentional

>>21050472
>weeb

>>21050640
Why would you expect anyone who says "weeb" to fucking know what any of that means.

>>21050494
Flares original model is horrid. Soulless dead eyes because of no iris, lizard face bulbasaur looking ass, cold one tone skin making her look even more dead, and weird ass super long and high cleavage.

>>21049653
>>21049729
>>21050108
IRyS is the polyamorous GF experience.

is Nene Amano be-a-like for Hololive EN so much to ask for?
why are the best western GFE chuubas not in Hololive EN already

>>21050851
Eh, it had an exotic elf look going on. A little bit of alien inhuman appearance is nice from an artistic and aesthetic perspective.
I can get it didn’t work as well for “aww cute idol anime girl” that holos tend to go for and I’m glad she changed it since she wasn’t satisfied at all. I wouldn’t say it was inherently flawed. I suppose it has been a while since I really looked at it.

>>21050760
so Kiara is the "your sweet lesbian friend who truly loves you as a friend and is okay with you treating her as your gf out of pity" experience

>>21047831
>At some point, you people will learn that the true GFE exists beyond the holobubble.
GFE by itself kinda sucks without the other idol stuff though.
If they aren't doing other things then they're just sucking up money and adoration for nothing.
What makes GFE work at all and not be completely loathsome is that you give them attention and adoration and money and they grow positively as a person and achieve fame/success and some kind of life fulfillment.
None of the English language indies can offer that yet since none of them seem to be growing fast/big enough to be able to do that.

I've heard some people say that IRyS is more like an out of your league crush experience rather than straight up GFE

>>21050259
I think her horny aura probably goes a long way here.

>>21050760
Baelz is a weird one. Typically a vtuber is either like Fauna where she puts her foot down on GFE and doesn't produce actual GFE content, but people go gachi for her personality and take the bites they can get, in this case ASMR when she doesn't even do any romantic ASMR.
Or they're like IRyS where they openly acknowledge the GFE and throw bones out at various levels of intimacy.

Baelz is a fence sitter where she has her "once a year on Valentines" rule and insists against GFE but can't really help acting intimate with her viewers sometimes. She went at it with her birthday pack too so I feel like she's got a maiden's heart and wants to do GFE but actively avoids crossing the line.

>>21050274
There’s the breakup rrat, but that merely pushes it into “high school crush who’s still not over her ex and actively turns you down” experience. Not substantially different.

>>21051028
Pretty much.
Chicken is just a nice friend to have around but not someone you'd like to date.
>>21051010
Because of a completely different cultural mindset. Women brought up in Western countries just don't get the appeal of unironic, straightforward and very dedicated GFE.
Honestly production Kawaii is a blessing, finally someone had the idea of making a company specifically dedicated to JP girls who only stream in English. The difference between them and chuubas born in English speaking countries is massive.

>>21043071
Dear faggot who spends his time watching leaping anime girls moan on stream, stop preaching about GFE

>>21050760
Fauna still does asmr stuff and bfe, the bf was a leak. After seeing the catmaid cafe you can't say she wouldn't be going for it if she could. Kiara's goslings are worse than Ame's, I have engaged with a couple here. They know it's wrong but go for it anyway. Mumei isn't dumb, quite she opposite, but has no interest - she has an actual bf to exploit.
>bae
Correct and it's sad since she' the one most desperate to jump on holostar dick and vshoujo shit, it's incredible how much she's trying to pull a Calli. Still cute tho.

>>21050851
>>21051013
Side by side the strange cleavage is really the only true flaw of the original. I think I actually prefer it, the newer one is a bit too generic mixed in, feels even more uncanny to me.
I’m the exception though and not important here either way.

Anyone else feel like it's more of a culture and language barrier?
I'm no yellow fever fag myself, but it seems western women kinda pride themselves on mainting dignity and any sorta depravity which can come across as objectification is either rarely as a one off or just done in completely ironically . Like an almost inherent insecurity to be shameless in how much you love your audience in fear of coming off as creepy.

Miori, Emma, and Nene Amano are the best GFE remaining.
>Emma isn't GFE
More like dommy mommy experience.

Yes. Her name is Gawr Gura. She is pro unicorn. She is the only EN to not follow any homo stars on Twitter. When HomoEN was announced she didn't even give it a like. Instead she retweeted cunny from 2020 at the same time the announcement was made.

>>21051321
>western women kinda pride themselves on mainting dignity
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>21051291
Bae is more of an ollie than a mori.

>>21050807
That’s entirely my point with Fauna. She’s not explicitly doing it, but her fans want that kind of mommy/big sis gf. With IRyS, I’d definitely agree that more of it’s intentional than she lets on, but you can’t discount some cluelessness from the girl who went on an extended rant about gypsies in Terraria.

>>21051010
I wonder how popular Nene would be if she was in Hololive instead, she's more into GFE than even JP girls, she knows exactly what her audience wants from her and delivers it flawlessly.

>>21051321
Culture is definitely a massive part. I watch a lot of indies and one of the miserable things about the indie scene is that women can be shamed for being GFE tubers there. Ironically, the West is far worse about dividing a talent and a character and understanding professional boundaries. The mindset over here is that GFE is inherently exploitative when it really isn't. Everyone just associates it with the girls that go hard lying to their viewers for money. It's created this scenario where the ones willing to embrace it are largely the most awful bitches with a ton of bad bagge and drama surrounding them.

A healthy GFEtuber is basically just providing an entertainment service. You know you're never more than an audience member and they never promise anything or treat you special. They're playing a role of healing the viewer and that's fine. People don't give viewers nearly enough credit in being human beings

>>21051291
>the bf was a leak
It wasn't. Before joining Hololive she was very open about having a bf, she would post it in her FAQ on the Lemonleaf channel, but I just checked and it seems she scrapped that. iirc she would namedrop her bf and if people asked her who that was she would just say "oh, he's my boyfriend".
>>21051389
Emma's bad ending date asmr stream was fucking wild from beginning to end. Holy shit. Love that she acknowledged the dommy mommy thing.

>>21050760
>Gura
>no sex energy


Anon...

>>21051628
Doxxshit is a leak, dumbass.

>>21050760
>rate to jump on holost
Wrong. Gura has plenty of sex energy and Bae collabs with men and the Vshoujo whores.

>>21036785
>after her debut
Wow that’s some amazing OPSEC if it takes that long.

>>21051501
I wonder if Cover would have an issue with a chuuba based in Japan doing exclusively English streams.
If she was allowed to do the same thing she's doing now but in HoloEN you can bet your ass she'd have the second highest numbers after Gura and by far the biggest SC revenue in HoloEN. Just imagine if Lamy had a huge international audience.
I love tenshi so much it's unreal.

>>21051744
They have 2 chuubas based in Japan doing English streams already...

>>21051389
I like Emma but she can be pretty annoying when talking about other girls.

>>21051783
I mean actual Japanese women. Calli living in Japan is not the same thing.

>>21051628
You gotta separate their characters. A PL was open similar to FallenShado but FAUNA isn’t.
Unfortunately the mods are probably going to ban you because you aren’t even being covert at all. I don’t care for rule 2 but it is still there. Shame people can only discuss the characters but not the actresses or their former roles.

>>21051744
fucking Mori lives in Japan

>>21051875
Irys is happa, that count?

>>21051875
If their English is good enough and they pass the HoloEN audition sure I don't see why not. Probably makes things easier for Cover.

What's really confusing to me is how hololive EN is probably the least GFE, least parasocially inclined group in the west. Fucking strange.

>>21051875
Irys is a 5.5, has spent most of her life since childhood in Japan, lives in Japan now and speaks Japanese better some Holojp like Miko. Does that not count?

>>21051878
Right forgot j*nnies in this board are even bigger faggots than usual.
>>21051954
>I don't see why not
Me neither, and yet HoloEN so far has been composed of Western women, either living in the West or Asia, and Asian women living in the West like Ina. Makes me wonder if that's on purpose.
>>21051813
What do you mean?

>>21052089
Are there that many Japanese women vtubers that are fluent in English?

>>21052089
>What do you mean?
she won't shut up saying
>this girl is my wife
>this other girl is my wife
and so on, gets annoying quickly

>>21052130
No, in fact proportionally very few Japs are fluent in English to begin with.
Production Kawaii seems to have seen that gap in the market and poached the few ones that are.

>>21051297
The string panties, gone forever

>>21036696
https://youtu.be/o0QNmC9GKEg

>>21052318
>jpbros have streams like this every other day
It's not fucking fair

>>21052318
I did not expect her to be so good at this, it was genuinely cute and wholesome.
Sadly on the next day she said she will only do that stuff once a year and how cringe it was for her.

>>21052428
Her scenario voice pack is absolutely top class.

>>21052089
Time zones are a thing. If your primary target audience is 12 hours out of sync with you it can make the streaming tougher. I’m more surprised by the lack of Euro holos, they initially had none and now only have one. Meanwhile they have 2 Aussies, 2 in japan, 2 leafs and 4 burgers.
>J*nnies
It’s actually much less bad than it was before. Now they mostly just ban if you are directly spelling stuff out or insult m*ri . Come a long way from the days of the Artemis minefields.

>>21052233
We were put on this Earth just to suffer, anon.

>>21052428
And then she did the White Day pickup line stream, where she got to read about how much her fans want to fuck her brains out.

>>21052659
She could’ve filtered those out if she wanted, she knew what she was doing.

>>21051072
Correct, most streamers are far too narrow in their content & pursuits, which makes them inferior.
What is the point of funding someone's mansion if they're just going to grind the same content, chastise the fans for being parasocial, and retire asap? The viewer experience sucks.
Meanwhile, you have Hololive that gives you a lot to look forward to. Supporting them gets you Holofes, KU-100s, merchandise, original music, and most of the girls are happy to be your waifu. They have ambitions to add to the viewer experience.
Simply put, normal streamers are outdated and won't be able to control their viewers by bashing their competitors for much longer.

>>21050760
Ina ina inaaa.....

>>21043071
t. deadbeat
The biggest draw to streamers in general is the parasocial aspect, anyone who says otherwise is a coping normalfag lying to themselves

>>21052753
Her manager was in charge of that, though she should have had some idea what she was getting into.

>>21052428
have hope, maybe she was just afraid people wouldn't like it.

>>21049856
>Flare's original model was so terrible she got a full rework
Flare got not one but two reworks and recent redesign, the current Flare is basically ver4.0.

>>21053004
Nah. She chose between being more intimate with her fans or continuing to be a Stars cheerleader. She chose the later which means she knows if she goes hard on GFE it might create problems with Stars members.

>>21052847
Ina is engaged to a girl where the passion is lost energy.

>>21043071
Go back

>>21052318
I'm so fucking jealous of japbros. FUCK!

>>21053097
It creates problems even if she doesn't do GFE, but if her contact with them is limited, it should be fine.

>>21052594
>I’m more surprised by the lack of Euro holos
Well what would be the point of having more European vtubers if they speak English anyway? Might as well get one who speaks English as a first language. Kiara was an exception, probably only accepted through her sheer force of will and love for the medium, and the fact she spoke Japanese fluently.
Streaming schedules are diverse enough for Euro anons to have something to watch and the time difference between Western Europe and the American East coast isn't that big.

>>21052404
links?

>>21053978
I don't understand how people don't get bored of the 11 english talents at hololive. There's lots of other vtubers out there, including actual GFE vtubers. Miori's last drunk stream was pure sex.

>>21054113
>Miori's last drunk stream
she's always drunk

>>21053978
>Well what would be the point of having more European vtubers if they speak English anyway
“Sexy” accents. Americans love “french” or “British” accents.

>>21053979
>Rushia (when she was alive)
>Lamy
>Watame (arguable)
>Matsuri
>Nene
>Okayu
GFE is just much more common in the JP branch. Plus you have talents like Aki, Mel and Choco who are just pure SEX.
It's fundamentally different to HoloEN. The overall mood is more intimate.

>>21049729
This actually makes it more realistic

>>21051670
>casually likes/retweets lewd feet fanart
>would absolutely say the most heinous sexual shit if she was allowed to speak freely
>just overtly hints at it instead

>>21053904
Just learn Japanese bro.

>>21054113
Hololive's dominance of the vtuber stream, specially outside of Japan, is simply too big. The vast majority of EOP normies don't know of any vtuber company other than hololive, vshojo and nijisanji, and they only watch HoloEN.
There's a reason why Gura is, in terms of numberfagging, the biggest vtuber in the world, by a wide margin in fact. Being on Hololive is easy mode, you are simply guaranteed hundreds of thousands of views unless you pull an Ayame/Sana and become lazy beyond relief. The normies are never introduced to anything other than the big corpos.

>>21036696
Ame is accidental GFE, have you seen how her fans act?

>>21052769
You've nailed a big part of the appeal of Hololive here for sure. It's the sense of progression, stuff is always happening, they're always working towards something. Big concerts, big event streams, new merch, improved setups, singing and dancing reps with visible on-stream improvement. It makes the whole thing far too engrossing, if I let myself I could watch only Hololive as my sole entertainment. I can't imagine going back to the typical "watch someone stream games for a few hours and slide into mental health crisis" streamers

It feels like an eternity since an actually serious thread about GFE has been made without it being invaded by screeching tourists.

>>21036696
Kiara is GFE if your ideal GF is an outgoing, talkative stacy who wears her heart on her sleeve, and would tell you all about her day, the things she'd done, and the food she ate.

>>21055346
I heard she's been developing feelings for her chat recently.

>>21055208
amazing what one picture of miko can do

>>21055346
Watching Kiara sometimes makes me feel like a muslim sheik with two wives that occasionally eat out each other.

>>21055491
...w...who is the second wife anon?

>>21055186
Which is why being a vtuber is much more than using an anime avatar.

>>21055491
I would let Kiara fuck my wife

>>21055544
Whoever Kiara has the hots for for the moment, to be completely honest, i haven't thought out how this will work out long term after the Reine-arc.

>>21055548
All the things anon is talking about exists outside of hololive and even vtubers it's just it's not generally accepted or allowed elsewhere for reasons that should hopefully be obvious.

>>21048492
>Her voice pack is scandalous
How scandalous are we talking about?

>>21054526
Well I think people should check out these other vtubers. Some of them are pretty great.

>>21056043
Considering the shit she says on stream, it would have to pretty fucking extreme.

>>21054526
You're forgetting most non-neets don't have time to dig through the wasteland that is the non-corporate EN culture, even the "bad" holoEN members are top .5% in quality and with 11 of them, one will hook someone who's even remotely interested

>>21051010
Hololive EN had a chance to get both shondo and possibly Nene (she got rejected from one vtube corp, probably hololive) at one point. Imagine that.

>>21050760
>Has said that she's okay if viewers pretend she's their gf
What does that even mean? She's okay with me pretending she's my gf but won't ever address it? I don't need her permission to be a schizo.

>>21055483
The opposite really, that shitposter avatarfags to express his disdain for anything that isn’t a general or gushing praise.

>>21049629
>Fauna is GFE because she's green and does asmr
I know this isn't what you meant with your post but I know someone out there unironically thinks this way

>>21055346
>stacy
Kiara is the opposite of a Stacy and it will never stop being weird when kfp try to label her one.

>>21036785
So Mumei?

>>21043071
If I want a normal youtuber I'm going to watch a normal youtuber fucking redditor

>GFE
May Allah strike you with a thousand Rushia

>>21056043
Not scandalous at all outside of the vague implication that she's hiding a boyfriend from her fans.

>>21056869
She’s mgfe. Like the mama in that okaa-san online series.

I don't think Holo will ever more permit another GFE based chuuba.
Too dangerous and not in line with their image.
They let Rushia did her thing but, gone her, it's over.
You can have your schizo love as you wish but no girl will support or ask for this.

>>21051563
Great point you brought up, seeing that the West's top streamers were always seen as fake and exploitative of their fans its easy to see the hesitancy people here in the west and even this board have of GFE, its the most predominate side of the coin we see. But honestly with the pandemic and the rise of Vtubing and even outside of Vtubing but fit the GFE spot and can overlap such as GFE ASMR roleplay channels, its starting to shift a bit, not enough to get rid of the ugly side of the coin but show that theres another side thats not exclusively predatory .

>>21057025
That’s M and F, not I.
At least not any more than the typical Holo regarding roommate relationship opsec.

>>21036696
Lately I feel like Kiara's on her way there lmao. I can't really watch her streams often cause of timezones but whenever I catch one it's always SC time and the super hard that she's reading sounds like confessions and romantic messages lol.

>>21057130
No clue what M, F or I stands for.

>>21057082

>>21057202
Hows Lamy's GFE? I heard shes GFE for the tired salaryman after work

>>21036696
GFE goes against western women principles of being anti cute, dick-less men. If you want that kind of content you have to get it from women who aren’t devoured by western culture and who thrive for being considered cute, validation and are a little bit insecure. A culture of being nice and grateful toward fans is also important and in the west most streamers have this “I’m god” mindset, they treat chat like shit, call out everyone and if someone in chat calls them out back, they chimp out and start melting down like retards.
Japan seems to be one of those countries were GFE is possible, at least to some degree.

>>21036988
I believe that's just Gura being sweet.

>>21057162
owl pal , branch lady and demon lady

>>21057130
Alright, we get it anon. You know things you weren't supposed to know.

>>21057144
Kiara is just a really sweet girl in general.

>>21057376
I'm saying her voice pack implies that she chills with a boyfriend after ending her stream. That's the only thing remotely scandalous about it.

>>21057351
She’s GFE. That’s not even debatable. She says she’s chat’s girlfriend and often goes on “dates” with chat when playing games. She’s not Rushia’s level but it’s currently the most consistent GFE available in hololive.

>>21057351
By telling her fanbase she's their gf and selling an engagement ring for you to give to her?

>>21056988
No, most of the stuff about her got dug up the day of her indie graduation announcement because everyone assumed she was going into HoloEN.

>>21036696
I'm hoping for a BFE chuuba when HoloEN comes out. And an actual BFE one, not one who does a stream unprepared as a joke and then goes back to playing regular games as if nothing happened.

>>21057403
Yeah. Though I'm not really a fan of GFE it's just weird to me.

>>21057907
What are you doing in this thread then?

>>21057415
As in "POV: You are the boyfriend." or does she chill with you and then imply she's fucking off to go be with her bf?

>>21058087
The former.

I'm looking for more of a GFE with a space between the G and F. Got no friends IRL, so I pretend we're just some friends hanging out. I can't immerse myself in actual GFE because I know it could never happen. Friendship is something I'd like much more honestly. Watching people play games you like is nice. It's like an affirmation of your tastes. Kronii playing Sonic, Ina playing Bayonetta and Wonderful 101, Amelia playing Mario. It brings me back to a time when I was a happier person.

>>21054187
Well there's Saruei but she's not very charismatic.

>>21052847
>Ina ina inaaa.....
I like watching Ina and thinks she's nice and sweet, but I can't understand why anyone would want her as a GF.

>>21058840
you can ask her to draw porn for you

>>21058840
You can cuddle her and hug her and wrap a scarf around her when it's cold and hug her and pat her head and play games with her and hug her.

>>21058878
Yeah, but I already have friends that draw porn and I'm not dating them either.
>>21059001
I would happily do this. I just don't want to have her living with me and trashing my house with moldy food on the floor.

>>21057367
>A culture of being nice and grateful toward fans is also important and in the west most streamers have this “I’m god” mindset
This honestly. The way JPchuubas address their audience is completely different from the way western streamers do. With JPs it feels much more like a professional hostess and entertainer who is grateful that people are watching her instead of the myriad of other options available. Western streamers are just roasties who turn on a camera.

>>21058332

Friends with Benefits experience?

>>21058878
>>21059001
Duality of anon.
>>21058332
Girl friend experience is the bare minimum that every decent chuuba does anon. Stop watching Vslutjo, not worth your time.
Koro-san is the best case, imho, of a great streamer whom I enjoy watching but I could never see as gf material.

>>21055346
>stacy
>has multiple mental breakdowns and crying fits
oggey

>>21059601
I can fix her

>>21036696
No. The only ones applying to Holo now are lazy money hungry whores who don't want to stream or put in any effort. You can thank Council for setting the bar lower.

>>21057082
majority of Japanese holos do gfe in varying degrees
idea that because of Rushia incident they would stop is hilarious

>>21059880
Most of them even doubled it down and Valentine’s streams are the proof. Miko’s valentine ASMR is one of the most absurdly soulful GFE ASMRs ever made in hololive, to give an example.

>>21056392
>we could've had oneexcunny ASMR offcollab
I don't like this timeline bros

>>21060035
Even EN dipped into it for a day, which should be a clear sign that GFE can and will outlive Rushia.

I feel like the lack of English GFE is also partially because of the fans themselves
West has too many schizos so the girls themselves are too scared to do GFE stuff and attract those kinds of people
Japanese men are more behaved in that aspect

>>21060410
>https://twitter.com/box_saki
Wut?
Mel and Lulu had much worse cases of schizos than any Western vtuber.
I do agree that the western audience is partially to blame, but not for schizos, but rather because EOP Westernoids have been hardwired to think that GFE is evil.

>>21056392
In a now deleted vod Shadow was talking about being offered a job in a larger vtuber corp while saying it is probably not hard to guess which one exactly. She refused since she can't deal with larger numbers and because she doesn't want to give up Shadow. You can ask for a clip in the /shondo/ threads if one pops up again.

>>21060410
The average Western ironic weeb who also watches vtubers is inherently incompatible with gfe. A great example for that would be that one asmr stream Irys did. Technique was a bit lacking, but she was definitely passionate about it. With some dedication she could have easily become a decent gfe asmr Holo on the en side. Nothing ever came from it because the vast reception of it was that it was "weird" or various other ironic cringe responses.
If you do want EN gfe you are better off looking for Indies.

>>21060410
It’s both because of the streamer and the fans. Most EN chubas are ironic weebs who aren’t really chubas but twitch streamers with anime avatar. They lack the culture and that’s what matter the most, not the anime model.
Fans are also a bunch of normalfags/ironic weebs who want anime to be inclusive, watch TT, think they are better because they dislike idol culture without even knowing what that’s about, trash on loli and shota jokes and want to change anime and idol culture in general.
You can’t get the real experience of chubas if both the chuba and the audience are not in for it. There might be exceptions like a real weeb chuba who really idolizes otaku culture and that chuba can gather real overseas weebs, but that’s right now there’s no big corporate chuba like that. They are all a bunch of normies.

>>21060732
I don't remember her mentioning numbers but it wouldn't surprise me. TLDR Shadow said she had a big opportunity that would bring her money and fame but she didn't like the terms and it wasn't enough to make her give up her model. This is a girl that's dropped over 10k on art commissions so she is very passionate about it, and had a debut far beyond of your average corpo in terms of expenditure. Common consensus is either they didn't offer her a loli model or a model she doesn't like, or the contract was too restrictive. Shondo is known for being extremely based and just saying whatever bullshit comes into her head no matter how questionable, she wouldn't do well watering herself down.

>>21060410
>West has too many schizos
>Japanese men are more behaved in that aspect
Excuse me what now

>>21051628
Wait its been years since I watched her old content, but wasn't it sort of a known thing that she only constantly brought up her "bf" to piss off her fanbase? Like there's some old rrat that she straight up just liked pissing off the unicorns and she and her fans had a weird love/hate relationship over that. From what I recall it always felt more tongue in cheek like "Yeah im cute but sucks for you nerd I totally have a bf haha". It could just be cope, but there were a lot of people familiar with her old content that felt pretty confident the open about her bf shit was just a meme she did to fuck with people due to disliking GFE

>>21050760
>Bae
>GFE
yeah if your ideal gf is one who would fuck her co-worker over you.

>>21062099
Yeah that's pretty much how it went, she would bring him up by name almost every stream and instantly go from a 3view to a 2view. Had his name right in her about section so that everyone knew she had a boyfriend. I guess money changes peoples minds pretty quickly.

>>21062099
>>21062269
that, actually kinda makes me feel a little queasy. she seems so sweet

I thought Amelia was a huge GFE streamer but I haven't watched her in like 8 months personally

>>21062099
>>21062269
She was also known for going on really long, frequent hiatuses so she never built a strong streamer following. Even before she had the offer it was normal for her to set up a stream schedule for the week, do half the streams then dip out for a week or two. She never really explained why she disappeared or made up weak excuses. She actually used her cat getting hit by a car as the excuse for why she stopped making content only to debut in Hololive the week after.

>>21036696
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience

GFE is a sexual or nonsexual service in real life context. Presumably it would be unprofessional for the "girlfriend" to break character while providing their service to the client. All the chuubas can be GFE if you want. Kind of like how tulpas are dependent on how much energy you're putting in.

>>21062269
Not that anon but the rrat was that she actually didn't have a boyfriend. She just pretended she did to fuck with her fans. It felt very purposeful to an almost comical degree. A lot of old fans of her past life content were pretty honed in on her having a bf was just a meme she'd constantly bring up to fuck with her fans and keep the GFE shit down. There's actually almost zero evidence period of her having a bf outside like one single picture from over like two years ago that's doxx shit.

>>21062441
The anons described it poorly. Most of Fauna's past life fans felt she never actually had a boyfriend. They thought she just pretended she did as a way of fucking with them. She had some weird fetish for cucking her fans, and the over the top constant way she'd bring them up got a point where it became less believable. The big argument when she debuted with her old fans was over whether she just hated GFE that much that she'd lie to sabotage her channel or if she just got off on pretending to cuck her fans.

>>21062480
Unfortunately not true back before she streamed on Twitch she did multiple youtube streams with him, like a collab where they were audibly together. One of them I remember in pretty good detail, they were playing this comfy game. This was so long ago now I really doubt that there's archives. The fact people were coping that hard is kind of sad but I get it because she did bring him up so often it almost seemed like a meme.
For someone with a boyfriend she sure did flirt with others a lot, she talked about how Eddy introduced her to Shondo for example and then they had a bunch of jokes about being married and in love with each other. Imagine introducing your cunny gf to your cunny youtuber and she cucks you. That's the only good part to all of this.

Are there any GFE streamers who seem to be genuinely into it rather than just pandering for the easy bucks?

>>21057403
Well she wants to be and tries to be.

>>21062628
I don't know whether that's better or worse

>>21062638
So as I understand it, the rrat was that the guy she brought on once in a while was either a friend or relative. Because there was so little actual evidence they were a thing outside her constantly bringing it up, and one single ancient picture. There was a weird off nature about how she treated having a bf that came off ubelievably fake or forced. It was to such a degree on just purposeful career suicide since she did so much GFE shit. Almost none of her fans when they found out she joined Hololive believed she actually ever had a bf. They thought she just despised GFE that much or was a degeneratre

>>21062099
She was extremely based, banning gosling, schizos and horny people on sight

>>21052847
who?

>>21062628
>>21062638
>>21062804
Money truly does change people, huh..?

>>21062662
Weirdly enough Bae. She acts like she doesn't like it after she rarely does a GFE stream, but then does a stream where she lets her entire fanbase tell her on stream to her face how badly they want to dick her down while acting like she doesn't understand what they mean. You could feel how flustered she was that entire stream.

>>21062804
She literally moved across the country to be with him, he was heard on streams multiple times, she talked about him and the things he got up to daily pretty much constantly. This seems like a massive cope.

>>21062628
Wow, she's nearly bad as Nina.

>>21062964
No! She just loves Netorare and cuckolding her fans so she pretended to do it, she didn't actually do it!

>>21062804
>Her weird unrealistic level of bringing it up
Oh god Im getting flashbacks again. Yeah nobody who watched her actually believed her by the end of it. The way she treated having a boyfriend was so fucking off and so bizarre and weirdly forced that most just assumed it was either her having a cuck fetish or her just absolutely despising parasocial relationships. Every single time she name dropped him or brought him on was just so fucking weird man. like it just felt super fucking off in a hard to describe way. Also when he was on stream they ahd zero chemistry and acted weird.

>>21062964
You must not remember it properly or weren't there watching her old content but the way she acted about her boyfriend was fucking weird. She went to bizarre lengths to bring him up and mention him and would just parade him on stream occasionally for seemingly no reason. They had zero chemistry on stream when she'd throw him on too. There was fucking strange shit going on with that and most of her fans felt the same. Its why when she debuted for Hololive all her old fans were trying to describe to the people freaking out that its not so clear cut. It was a fucking odd situation. She did it to the degree of nearly killing her channel.

>>21063113
Isn't it simpler for her to have a boyfriend and a cuckolding fetish rather than her having someone pretend to be her boyfriend multiple times in an elaborate ruse for her cuckoldry fetish?
It's not surprising someone may feel awkward on a stream if they aren't a streamer, especially if being used in such a way. The Holoparents seem awkward when they get roped into being on stream as well.

>>21051321
>but it seems western women kinda pride themselves on mainting dignity
Please. Western women are all about 'maintaining dignity' until they receive an actual incentive to throw it away (money), and once they get comfortable enough (financially) they fall back into their same bullshit mentality of "Fuck you, pay me."

>>21051501
Nene wouldn't be able to do GFE, or at least not the way she does it, if she was in HoloEN because all the ironic weebs and redditors would be constantly complaining that it's "weird" and "creepy" instead of just not watching, because if they can't enjoy something then that means nobody should be allowed to.

>>21063293
Sounds like mental gymnastics.
>Hey fags, here is my boyfriend. I have sex with him but not you, dumb cucks
>...What did she mean by this?

>>21063325
I'd agree, if she didn't do it to the point of actually fucking her career and channel. Most rrats at the time was that it was her brother. There was some weird shady shit with how she acted about having a boyfriend.

>>21063463
>weird shady shit
Do tell

>>21050760
>>21051628
My problem is that it's just words that don't mean much, she only said "it's my boyfriend" so proudly, but she only said it was a boyfriend, not even naming him or something so why be proud to just make him look like an NPC?

>>21060410
>West has too many schizos so the girls themselves are too scared to do GFE stuff and attract those kinds of people
Anon, Japanese people have shown up to idol meet-and-greets with actual weapons. It has nothing to do with fan schizophrenia and more do with the fact that western women are up their own ass (with many western men who support that type of behavior).

>>21063424
Its more like
>Here's my boyfriend cucks im fucking him
>Did I mention im fucking my bf?
>He's literally raw dogging me right NOW
>Oh yeah did I mention I have a bf?
>So I have a bf
>Bf
>Bf
>I totally have a bf losers
>Look here he is on stream hes totally my bf
>Watch me parade my bf on stream like a fucking trophy
Either she's actually a unhinged yandere menhera with a massive cuckold fetish or she really really really hated parasocial relationships.

>>21063648
Uh... and now?

>>21062936
Too bad she only gives a fuck about Roberu cock, huh? Being someone's bronze medal might be alright for rratfuckers but some people aren't into that.

>>21063505
>Do tell
So you know how closeted gay people will sometimes pretend they are totally straight by talking about all the chicks they've fucked? It was like that with her bf but several degrees above that somehow. Like she might as well have named her channel "I suck my bf's dick everyday" and had in big red bold letters plastered over every stream "im fucking my bf" with how often she'd bring him up or reference him. Its possible she is just a fucking psychopath with massive "Leave me and I kill you" vibes but it was beyond weird either way.

>>21063868
Maybe she’s just ugly and was very happy she got a bf

>>21063648
>>21063868
This is so weird to read when you consider her current wholesome and sweet image. Either she had a boyfriend and just adored parading him in front of her supporters or she made up an extremely elaborate lie to stop anyone from liking her. Either way it's weird as hell and makes her uwu wholesome mama image seem really, really fake.

>>21063648
>she's actually a unhinged menhera with a massive cuck fetish
Holy shit I can only hope this is true because I am so erect at the thought of this being true

>>21063943
She's the most generic looking average white girl you could ever imagine

>>21063962
Fauna is way more degen than she pretends. Out of all the HoloEN members that girl hides her power level arguably as much if not more than Gura. She's a fucking weirdo.

>>21063648
>>21063868
>>21063962
The weirdest fucking shit is that she'd do a GFE ASMR stream where shes your cute catgirl girlfriend and then suddenly start talking about how much she loves her totally real boyfriend for like thirty minutes like some unhinged stalker describing his obsession with the person they are stalking while never once describing anything about them outside how good and perfect they are.

>>21063463
>if she didn't do it to the point of actually fucking her career and channel.
People don't act with perfect capitalistic insight. Otherwise that snail vtuber wouldn't have torn off her nail on stream for example, and then screamed in agony for 10 more minutes before it ended. Sometimes people act illogically, especially when fetishes are involved.

>>21064252
Maybe "incredibly grounded and wholesome" LL being best friends with real legitimate schizo Shondo isn't so odd after all...

>>21064276
I guess its possible shes just actually a real life yandere menhera nutcase, but the way she acted about her bf felt so off and weird that I find it easier to simply believe she got super wet at the thought of all her fans feeling cucked

>>21064276
When she was doxxed right after joining Hololive gen 2, literally every single old follower of her past channel chimed in telling the people trying to start amegeddon 2 electric boogaloo to calm down as theres a very high chance that none of it was real and she's just a fucking weirdo with a huge cuckold fetish that liked fucking with her fans.

>>21064492
I genuinely feel this is worse than her actually having a boyfriend and just spilling her spaghetti during streams over it. This is manipulative and literally means she's a huge lying whore. Nothing she says is true if she's willing to go to this extent to spin such elaborate bullshit.

desu all of this makes her sound like a shit person no matter how you slice it

>>21064350
>she got super wet at the thought of all her fans feeling cucked
The thing is that isn't mutually exclusive with actually having a boyfriend at all whatsoever.

>>21063760
>She only cares about Roberu's cock
>All she ever said was that she liked watching his streams due to the times he often streamed at and felt the holostars deserved more representation
>Ollie tried her absolute hardest to make things weird and force Bae and Roberu to fuck on stream for some bizarre ass reason Ill never understand
>Bae was just awkward and nervous around her oshi just like Fauna was around Gura their first stream together
>Especially when you have some stupid zoomer trying to force shit that isn't there
>Yeah Bae wants to take Roberu's dick guys she's gonna cuck all of you
I hate this rrat. I blame Ollie entirely for it.

>>21040173
Since Nabi decided she wanted to make ame ugly.

>>21063648
Not really claiming anything here, but wasn't this type of thing what really put a bunch of people off Veibae when it came out that she was dating sodapoppin? Like bringing him up all the time in her streams, cancelling her streams to be with him, etc. That relationship turned out to be 100% legit, and she also hates parasocial relationships. How do we know for sure it's not the same with Fauna's roommate, where she's just really proud and talkative about her bf and despises parasocials even to the detriment of her brand?

>>21064567
yeah that's whats making me feel so sick about it

>>21064567
You should come to expect that from western mommytubers. MGFE is just as dishonest as traditional GFE, if not moreso.

>>21064602
No person in a normal functioning relationship goes to the comedically over the top degrees that she did on her past channel to tell the world about it. It bordered on stalker tier behavior

>>21064276
What the fuck did I missed? What's her name?

>cucklings
>hoocucks
>cuckmates
>cuckbeats
Am I missing any?

>>21064686
The Vei situation is totally different. Vei is on record saying if she ever got a boyfriend nobody would ever know because she'd lose money. When the schizo leaked the proof they were dating, Vei just went "Oh yeah we uh, broke up or whatever" and moved on. She talks about him and what not, but you really don't understand the scale to which Fauna went on her past channel to tell people she had a boyfriend. It was unreal. Its not even comparable.

>>21064686
Being detrimental to your brand when you're an indie literallywho2view (or not even a vtuber at all yet) is one thing but when you're in the most prestigious corp as your full income job, raking in cash hand over foot while you do so, you'll manage that brand careful because it isn't just your brand or you managing it.

>>21064825
At this point it sounds like you are coping in a major, major way that won't convince anyone. You've said your part but you're just making her and you look worse.

>>21063648
she is a cuckqueen
always has been

and I agree with other anons here, if you want good EN gf just look up Indies or smaller corpos
it's that easy

>>21064686
Veibae doesn't scream about her boyfriend randomly every two minutes out of nowhere and unprompted in the middle of a GFE ASMR stream. Nor does she describe her bf in the most nebulous non-specific ways imaginable like how cool he is and how nice he is and kind he is. Fauna went as far as plastering her boyfriend in her about section on her channel and would parade him around like a trophy. It felt unbelievably fake and bordered on uncomfortable/creepy as fuck

>NTR mommy vtuber
I'm glad I met her, she ticks off my favorite tags

>>21064813
You ever thought that maybe loving vtubers are by nature cucking yourself? You're not the only person that your oshi gives lovr and affection to

>>21064895
I dont really care either way but pretty much all her old viewers explained this same shit back when the Fauna shitstorm was started after Council debuted. It wasnt as noticed due to all the HER shit going on but it was there and they all made the same points.

>>21064999
Tbf I only do gura because I find the shark funny, but I can understand how someone unironic uooohing might feel cucked by gurame

>>21064999
And if they can't at least fake exclusively giving their love and affection to the audience that makes it possible for them to stay home all fucking day while making fat stacks then they're whores. Really that simple.

>>21064916
>she is a cuckquean
That is just the female version of a cuckold. It would be someone who has their boyfriend cheat on her, Netorare (male). Complete opposite of what is being discussed.

>>21064895
>Sounds like your coping
>This has been the assumed situation before she ever joined hololive
>her fanbase caught on to it due to the insane nature of it and just went along with it
>none of her old fans defended her when she debuted they all just called her a fucking crazy weirdo with a NTR fetish who faked having a bf
Im not sure anyone tried making her look good. Just that they should take the whole "shes got a boyfriend" shit with a massive grain of salt.

>>21065217
Either she's got a boyfriend and she's a lying whore or she doesn't have a boyfriend and she's a lying whore while potentially also being insane or spiteful. Not really any good options here.

>>21065217
>her fanbase
Not the most reliable sorts then are they? They have a vested interest in the matter.
>a fucking crazy weirdo with a NTR fetish who faked having a bf
Is more complex and less believable than
>a fucking crazy weirdo with a NTR fetish who has a bf

>>21065121
I didn't knew that was actual term
the more you know
I meant she likes cucking

>>21065306
I mean yeah I agree. Most evidence points to her just being insane. A lot of her old fans warned people not to gosling over her despite not actually having a boyfriend just due to her being unhinged. I think all the HER discourse really helped Fauna quite a bit in that regard. All the old fans warning people about her got lost under the Mumei shit.

What the fuck am I reading?

>>21051563
>>21064559
Ok this is confusing because of one if thing
How come she gets along very well with gura, kronii, sana and irys?
If she was an annoying lying whore, wouldn't we have seen bad chemistry between them? Between all the girls of HoloEn with fauna? There would be rrats so prevalent that you wouldn't escape it no matter the thread

>>21065322
That would be the logical assumption, but the way she acted was beyond insane and bordered on the worst stalker tier behavior. You'd think her only thought in life was her boyfriend's cock with how often she brought him up. Yet despite that she never described him in any specific way ever. Just the most cookie cutter bland non-descript ways possible.
>Her fanbase isn't the most reliable sorts as they have a vested interest in the matter
Anon her fanbase thought she was a degenerate lunatic and only kept watching her because her ASMR streams were hot. They were literally warning people not to gosling over her during the debut.

If all of this is true, why in the fuck did they hire someone like that? I'm starting feel like there's something serious rotten going on in EN's management

>>21065515
What the fuck is going on? Who is this woman?

>>21065586
I checked the archive and it is true that people were saying that even before they knew who Ceres was.
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/8208781/

>>21065586
>why in the fuck did they hire someone like that?
Cover doesn't care so long as you can bring in money. It's not like anyone's going to arraign them on charges of hiring some insane bitch.

>>21065460
buncha schizos

>>21065561
That's what I was saying
She made him sound like he was just an NPC
What the fuck was even his name?

>>21065515
Because she’s a manipulator anon and she’s very good at twisting people. She used Shadow who is known for being both very transparent and incredibly naive and then manipulated her into thinking it was a misunderstanding. Her true colors may be known eventually, or maybe she’ll keep up the facade. How much do you think people like Gura know about Fauna’s roommate?

>>21065515
I get along well with people at work too.
They don't know what I'm really like because I keep work and personal life separate.

>>21065075
It happened to be around the same time as Fallenshadow’s meltdown and the furry’s smear campaign against Mumei, so it’s not hard to see why that would get ignored.

>>21065713
I think it’s funny years ago she tried extremely hard and very onesidedly to get close to Shadow, which you’ll know if you’ve been in the anime ASMR community for a few years. She’s doing the same with Gura now. Beeline straight for the most famous person in whichever respective community and cuddle up to them until they give you clout. (It’s also funny and coincidental that they’re both cunny)

>>21065821
shadow and fauna are still on good terms as far as I know

Ok but if she's as crazy as you guys say she is and if she was pathologically unable and unwilling to avoid talking about her bf as much as she did, why was she able to stop it so well when she joined Hololive? I find it hard to believe even the big holobux would be able to keep someone as menhera as that suppressed so deeply for so long, I mean look at the other green holo, all it took was one message and it all came flying out. Meanwhile Fauna got yabbed right from the get go.

>>21065957
Just look at Nina.

>>21065957
Because she'd probably suffer actual repercussions if she pulled that shit now. Nobody really cares what 2views do because they exist in obscurity. Having tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of eyes on you while managers and other suits breathe down your neck gives you one of two options: shape the fuck up or keep pushing your boundaries until they decide you're liability and fire you.

>>21065713
>>21065821
Wait, that means the girls are in danger!
THAT MEANS MY OSHI IS IN DANGER

>>21036785
and i wouldnt have it any other day

Well that was an enlightening read. I hate Fauna even more now, thanks.

>>21066079
Wrong pic, oops

>>21036785
Sounds like pretty accurate Western GFE to me

Anyone who was familiar with L*monl*af's discord knows she used to be super catty, talking so much shit about others, making fun of weebs and parading her bf to the point of unironic cuckoldry.

>>21048492
I don't know how you guys watch someone as transparently cynical as Irys. Her pandering is so obvious, it's like she's training her dog. I remember her first Minecraft stream when she somehow ignored chat for over half an hour telling her that she logged on the wrong server. That's when I realized that we were dealing with a powerful individual--someone who fully embodies their role with the rare emotional detachment that is necessary, someone sociopathic enough to see their viewership as what they really are, an amorphous, faceless cloud of money to be corralled, manipulated, and extracted from, and not as true human beings whose voices are due any sort of genuine consideration. Irys is truly based, and that is why I do not watch her.

>>21065460
A very old timeloop that most people didn't experience because the Mumei is HER shit took up the majority of the board at the time.

>>21065586
She has a great voice, is super good at ASMR shit, and is good at what she does. It's that simple. They wanted a specialist and got one with Fauna.

>>21065957
Probably because she's hiding her power level. You can't pull the fake "I have a bf and im cucking all of you haha" psycho shit she pulled on her old account in Hololive. A lot of the more unhinged people to join Hololive manage to hide it well. Polka is a fucking mental trainwreck but you wouldn't know it if you didn't watch her member streams.

>>21066315
Yeah, but this one can actually be dangerous to the other girls than whatever mumei had

>>21066277
Yeah pretty much all her old fans warned people on here not to believe the bf yab because it wasn't real. The real concern was that she's a literal psychopath menhera with a cuck fetish and a unhealthy hatred towards parasocial relationships. Yet it all got ignored thanks to Mumei Lex Luthor memes and Sana nepotism.

>>21065643
>some dude in that thread predicted the saplings moniker
fun stuff

>>21066277
It says a lot that none of her old fans believed she had a boyfriend because she clearly didn't. She was just faking it to get off on her insane cuck fetish and to fuck with her fanbase. The way she acted about him was the most unhinged shit I've ever seen. Literal "japanese schizo shows up at oshi's house" tier shit.

>>21066315
What happened to Mumei?
Is everyone in Hololive a menhera? Where do they find these girls?

>>21066812
>dude
It was her.

>>21066286
>Her pandering is so obvious, it's like she's training her dog
literally nothing wrong with that if both sides are happy

>>21066949
Some schizos thought that Mumei was a the legendary Gura killer. Pointed towards a bunch of shit they said proved it. The person people claimed Mumei was had a boyfriend so it was extra yab. She also openly hated GFE to a large degree. Turns out they were wrong and a ton of things don't connect properly if you compare the two. Its still split down the middle on if Mumei is HER or some actual nobody. At this point who knows.

>>21066949
The hospital
FUCKING SINCE DAY ONE IT'S BEEN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL OF THE GIRLS ARE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE DEFINITION OF NORMAL, PHYSICAL OR MENTALLY

Except for Subaru, she should be dead by now but she said "fuck you" to God's plan

>>21066949
mumei is still doing mumei thing

>>21066949
The great HER discourse which gave birth to the Lex Luthor meme. Basically some doxxfaggots claimed they found Mumei and she was a huge indie that they had originally claimed was Petra from NijiEN. It created a massive shitstorm of people debating and arguing over if she is or not. In part because HER had a bf and hated GFE and parasocial relationships. To this day the battle is still fought as nobody is really certain. I still personally lean towards her being some actual nobody like Subaru, since a ton of shit conflicts with Mumei being HER but its still a hot topic.

>>21067168
If only because there's no voice that the answer is vague
Only clue we have is that she's the second one to be known for singing country road before

>>21067359
The one with the orcas pic? Or this is different?

>>21067234
Did you hear Subaru finally doxxed herself by mistake earlier this week?

I never thought /vt/ could actually make me hate not one but two youtube channels in one single thread.
I used to listen to LL's ASMR all the time and Fauna was my favorite HoloEN, now I hate both.

>>21067168
it's her

>>21067168
Ill never know how this got any traction. HER had a fucking giga gaming rig PC that was stupid expensive. Mumei debuted with a literal potato that couldn't stream her Live2D model in anything but 360p. Also HER was a very experienced streamer with over a million subs. Mumei at debut could barely speak and was a complete fucking mess. It took her months to get comfortable. Unless she yeeted her like 3,000 dollar gaming rig for a toaster to better hide who she was, that alone should've made that rrat dead in the waters. Hence the Lex Luthor meme.

>>21067234
Subaru is a very good liar
but nothing wrong with that

>>21067629
Too many things don't add up. She'd need to be literally Lex Luthor to pull it off. Shachi had a massive gaming rig PC that was super expensive. Mumei debuted with a shitbox toaster that could barely stream. Shachi had a huge following and had streamed enough to be comfortable with large numbers. Mumei was a dysfunctional trainwreck who took months to warm up enough to stream confidentally. Even their voices don't fully add up. The only similarities is their art.

>>21067655
cuckfags wanted to start another Amegeddon and after the Petra disaster they wanted to save face at the same time. So we got doxxfaggots trying to force HER. It worked to a degree but its still a hot topic even now. Caused quite a few shit storms during the debut of council though. Drowned out the whole "Fauna is an unhinged psychopath who faked having a bf to fuck with her fans and get off" and the Kronii is a turbo dyke shit. It was just HER and Sana nepotism hire.

>>21067500
Fuck, now what?
No I didn't, how did it went?

>>21068013
What a shitty generation.

>>21064654
Anon she's in discord group that shares Holostars porn. Even her own manager teases her about winning son

>>21068142
To be fair Kronii being a confirmed dyke means no chance of her cucking her fans with a boyfriend. Sana is even more of a turbo lesbian than Kronii is. So at least we have two untainted safe to gosling members in council.

>>21068124
she isn't a normalfag with no idol experience
that's literally it

>>21068142
EN1 was lightning in a bottle. EN2 is a fucking retirement home by comparison.

>>21068175
Damn you mean a girl likes fujoshit porn? Wow what a shocker guess that means she wants to fuck Roberu right this second. Clipfags and Ollie pushed a narrative that wasn't there. Bae was a fan of Roberu's content and that's it. Hate to break the bubble but you can like someone's channel without wanting to fuck them.

>>21068294
Yeah, but where did it happened?

>>21068361
>Hate to break the bubble but you can like someone's channel without wanting to fuck them.
The irony of saying that in this thread. But yeah, I'm sure if Roberu offered her some no-strings-attached dick with no chance of it ever being found out she'd definitely say no. Pfffffffffft

>>21067359
The thing with the HERposting is that skepticism pretty much died after the Ame Halloween karaoke retweet, and that a breakup rrat based on a couple of vague tweets in July and August appeared around the time of Mumei’s first guerrilla week. Also don’t forget that the prime anti is also a furry.
>>21067469
That’s the one.

>>21067787
Half of what you said is provably horseshit, and the other half is conjecture, but I’m fairly certain you’re a falseflagger at this point.

>>21068613
Wait did I miss something? Did it get confirmed she wasn't HER like most reasonable people assumed?

>>21068124
>>21068424
She was talking to Okayu on stream during collab and Okayu mentioned she did lewd talks to members.
>Subaru wants to hear
>Okayu told Subaru that it is members only and Holos can't member each other on their holo accounts
>Subaru says she'll member then to hear it
>Subaru goes and does it mid stream on her roommate account. It's the only member notification occurring at that time and leads right to her personal youtube account which has videos and other things that clearly indicate it is subaru.
Dumb duck.

>>21064654
You ever watch her PL stuff?
Ollie did.

>>21068843
Mumei was retweeting Halloween karaokes, and a retweet for Ame’s appeared on HER account, so that settled things for everyone except falseflagging antis, which are probably the anons you’re responding to.

>a-actually she never had a boyfriend it was just an elaborate cuckold fantasy that she kept up for years
saplings... it's not good to delude yourselves that much...

>>21069177
wouldn't antis want it to be her
that would provide a lot of material

>>21068903
Fucking...
That literally took less than 2mins, I just saw how it went down
I kinda liked how Subaru was the only one that nobody could've figure out who she was but instead it was her dumbass herself that showed the world
Still cute though

>>21069353
I'm not a sapling anymore

>>21069390
It's funny that she looks so much like later Subaru designs but that might have been a purposeful design choice by Ui.

>>21069353
the latter is arguably much worse than the former so I don't get it either

I mean fauna doesn't even mention the bf anymore nor does she really do stuff that could be taken as gfe except in obvious roleplay. From lurking /uuu/ it seems like most saplings pretty much accept fauna is someone they can never have so I don't think they're the coping type

>>21069353
Yeah lmao. Girls are flirting with at least 3 guys at any moment, it kinda insane to think she doesn't have a boyfriend.

>>21069368
They pretend to be skeptics in order to create a fake argument by samefagging, hoping that some anons will take the bait. It doesn’t actually provide much material since it’s mostly outdated, and gets people banned within the span of 10-15 minutes.

>>21069353
I dont even care about the BF shit but she just doesnt sound like a good person.

>>21069353
You didn't watch her old content and it shows. Saplings mostly didn't watch her old content or just took the bf rrats at face value and ignored all the warnings from her old fans. Fauna is a lunatic. When she debuted tons of her old fans were out right telling people not to gosling over her and to be wary as she's a fucking schizo.

>>21068361
>>21068440
You do you anon. Just reminder this is the same guy that cut all hololive contact for a year just because Festival made advance on him. Dude legit was a holophobe

>>21070269
It's his job and his passion. You don't want to risk that, especially with a menhera like Festival.

>>21069819
The more annoying stuff was the way she pull a Sana and vanish with no explanation. Rough when she was charging people by the month.

>>21065735
Does anyone have the screenshots or the link the those tweets? I want to witness the glory of a menhera