/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Didn't read but I'm sure it was a good post

>>21059087
I feel like I see a thread saying this every other day and it's always with a hololive image

>>21059087
The second point is the worst. I'm ok with avoiding male collabs, but even the solo streams have some faggot attention whoring in chat and derailing the stream. It's unwatchable.

Not trying to read all that, either I'm glad for you or sorry that happened.

>>21059238
>I feel like I see a thread saying this every other day and it's always with a hololive image
and always a nijisanji poster (hololive posters don't post about nijisanji)

>>21059087
damn shes malding hard. whats her problem?

>>21059292
>hololive posters don't post about nijisanji
>Everyone is like me
Maybe try not being so self-centered?

>>21059087
Hololive are actual professionals, this won't happen.

NijiEN is turning into fucking OTV and they're just letting it happen. Getting their faces pulped with a tire iron compared to what Lazulight/Obsydia presented - those entry waves were why NijiEN ever got a foothold in the first place - and they just roll over. No standards, no signs of wanting at least some quality control.

You SHOULD want quality control, otherwise literally what is the fucking difference from indies if they just do whatever they want? JP fans hold Niji's feet over the fucking fire over things like Nippleman. With EN and the shittalking discord leak they just pretend real fucking hard that didn't happen instead of ask for even a grain of "can you please at least try to be professionals."

>>21059087
In nijisanji females have always been sacrifice for male. Back in the day nijijp females were big, reaching 10k ccv easily, while nowadays only Mito regularly achieves 10k. That is how it works.

>>21059087
Don't like the male collabs either but all of the girls are inclining so either deal with it or get filtered.

>>21059087
Nijibro here. We like it this way unironically.
>We
Yes.

>>21059087
lets hope not, but theres always holoJP + gura to fall back to just in case

>>21059087
>>Males and females doing actual off collabs
This sucks. I don't know how can nijicucks used their hard earned money to support their oshi's wine & rubber

>>21059409
that's like what i've been saying. just like OfflineTV. but anime

>>21059566
dubbed anime

I know this is shitty bait but as a Day 1 Pomudachi I agree. The girls should talk to chat first and foremost, not other members. I just don't like collabs at all most of the time.

>>21059554
Yeah bro, all the hololive girls are pure innocent virgins. Certainly none of them have boyfriends, and none of them are married.

Does Hololive even have male Vtubers?

>>21059554
because nijisanji isn't an idol company. I genuinely do not give a fuck if my oshi is sleeping around the company.
>>21059651
>as a Day 1 Pomudachi
go home kfpshit

>>21059438
>only Mito regularly achieves 10k.
Why? She's boring as fuck.

what the fuck is a offlinetv

>>21059087
hololive is already in its twilight im afraid

>>21059409
Maybe they realize majority of their fans will never see it, and addressing it just brings it to their attention. /vt/ doesn't represent fanbases.
and the Nijisanji fans who have seen it also don't give a shit

>>21059715
They're about to. Hololive saw the wildfire success of Nijianji EN males, and is now trying to copy it with males of their own. That's making Holofags very anxious, because they have some weird parasocial relationship with the girls and go completely insane if they ever speak to a guy.

Actually Nijisanji is much more mature about this. Nobody really believes any of the girls are single. They're just livestreamers, you don't form parasocial relationship with them. It's much healthier.

>>21059409
If it works and pays big bucks, why would anycolor complain about it? If anything EN is paying for JP's survival rn because everything gets too controlled there, there's a reason why EN won't join the merger after all

>>21059657
None of them cuck their viewers live on stream with drinking offcollabs with male members. NijiEN will not be able to live that down.

NijiEN used to be a good alternative but once Luxiem came into the picture, the quality and entertainment factor really nosedived. Now they've become as bad as their fans with numberfagging and sub begging. Kind of sad since I was enjoying them but now I can't even watch them anymore out of principle.

>>21059238
They're right though. Half a year ago I would watch 70% HoloEn 30% NijiEN but after the males debuted slowly it's become 100% HoloEN

>>21059471
A numberfag and a cuck. You couldn't have chosen a worse combo.

>>21059897
You have never watched a Nijisanji liver before.

>>21059087

>>21059842
The males are the ones who should be concerned. No one donating to Nina has any expectation of her being their girlfriend or mother

>>21059922
First of all, I don't believe you.
But second of all, you should definitely check out Tsunderia.

>>21059087
This is what will happen to hololive if you people don't gatekeep hard enough. Don't let what happened to niji happen to hololive.

>>21059979
>it's literally impossible anyone could have a different opinion to mine.
Impressively retarded.

>>21060001
Holomen EN will have a funny shotatuber that will be the new face of Hololive EN, and you're going to like it.

>>21059127
Based mikoposter, you're the saving grace of this board.
FPBP

>>21059087
I don't mind the male/female collabs personally don't really give a fuck if they fuck eachother or not but I just want to watch a chuuba do her thing and be entertaining, I don't want to keep track of other people to enjoy their streams, it's one thing to do collabs, it's another to have those people be part of your own stream, if I wanted that I'd watch randos on twitch, I don't think most people watching vtubers want to keep track of relationships and shit

>>21059438
hey man, lize and ange still get 10ks sometimes

>>21060001
I'm trying but it's impossible to win when 90% of the audience is normalfags from reddit, discord or twitter who either don't care or actively want hololive to be like nijien

>>21059409
Agreed. I wouldn't even say its so much a male & female thing as it is a loosening up way too much thing. I feel the Halloween streams, as epic as they were at the time, was the real start of all this since their critical acclaim sent the message that viewers want spontaneous collabs and cheap sex jokes and drunk streams and other chaotic stuff all the time.

Luckily a few of them are starting to notice this problem and scale back a bit (i.e. Pomu), but it might be too little too late unless something bigger changes.

>>21060001
It's already over. EN was a trojan horse. Worst thing is, everyone predicted it before their debut, but then myth was so good, and reasonably similar to the holojp roots, that people thought it wouldn't happen.

You are literally describing nijiJP, everyone but braindead holodrones knew that's what nijien would become, kys op

>>21059087
Niji is not for unicorns. If you're a unicorn just watch Holo(not)live since they actively pander to unicorns and idolfags

>>21059087

>>21059719
>because nijisanji isn't an idol company
Yes, looking at latest things from NijiEN they are more like brothel than company.

>>21059820
What you're also pointing out is that NijiEN is the casual normalfag audience, which is just a plain different crowd.

And even then that's not really true considering they were generally flopping hard (often <1k ccv for 3rd wave) until Luxiem, their "pandering to normalfags but RP'ing as anime girls" approach isn't actually that successful - and still isn't. The top NijiEN girl has less subs than the lowest HoloEN girl - someone who spent like 2 fucking entire months worth not streaming the past half year.

The Luxiem crowd that's actually making them rich aren't exactly normal either, they have gachikoi girl fans - fujo office ladies in China and Japan. There is no real normal. NijiEN isn't trying to be the "socially acceptable" version of anything, they DO want gachikoi money too otherwise you'd hear them talking a lot more openly about their love lives. Notice they never do. NijiEN girls are a weird mix of some wannabe Holos (pomu/rosemi) with some boring shitters any retard with 0 tastes/standards goslings over

>>21059761
please respond

>>21059971

>>21059087
Surely HoloEN won't become that bad. Surely...

I wish they did mixed waves from the start, then you fags could've gotten filtered and left sooner

>>21059979
NTA but my rate is even worse, it was close to 50/50 between holo and niji en, now I almost never watch because of the males being in everything. But what about tsunderia do you think we'd like?

>>21059979
Doesn't Tsunderia also have dudes now?

>>21060268
and thank god it is so it filters you faggots

>>21059761
>>21060306
group of mostly asian american streamers that lived in a house together and shit, people like lilypichu, scarra, pokimane or toast

>>21059087

The abundance of male/female collabs are one of Niji EN's strengths.

If you do not like it, there's Hololive.

>>21060214
>Males always joining some random stream from one of the girls and making it a collab
this is not typical for jp at all

>>21060353
cope, cuck

avatars are NOT allowed finana...

>>21060494
this, people (including the livers themselves) are living in a world of self-made ignorance pretending NijiJP is basically a club where everyone is twerking and fucking on the dance floor to justify EN's shittery. It isn't. Many NijiJPs are fucking indistinguishable from Hololive type standards, it's just a fucking handful of them like gundou that give the impression it's full on sluts and normalfags. That'd be VERY much like taking Coco and saying HoloJP is very crude/sexual/normalfaggy.

>>21060353
Well, don't worry, I'm gone now. Enjoy your streams.

>>21059087
Nijibros, it's over...

>>21059409
lol
lmao

>>21059127
Good vibes only.

>>21060621
I will, thanks!

I love how some of you guys are pretending to be so cool (???) By saying you don't care if they are fucking.
You should care, the reason that shit is frowned upon in normal work places is due to the drama it causes. I don't think you can even comprehend the type of yabs that kind of culture will breed

>>21059820
>says increasingly nervous nipplesanji for the 303005010 time
If Cover was going to release ENmales they would've by now but seeing that UPROAR is all JP again I doubt they have any idea of opening up to other markets, There's not even a STARS ID to test the waters 1st so they definitely don't care.

>>21060353
They also way more likely would have flopped. I don't think entirely so but the circumstances would have been different. FYI Luxiem took off so hard because mainland China's government in practical terms, had banned Kpop there only a few weeks before their debuts. Chinese kpop stans there were looking for some new exotic foreign fruits to pick. If males had come along without China/SEA's interest it'd have been just the native JP fujo crowd holding them up, which would still be something, just not the huge viral hype that built around Luxiem.

Not to mention if NijiEN had debuted a mixed wave and then immediately have them go into things like drinking offcollabs with suggestive tweets the next day? Good god they'd have not found an audience outside of even vshojo reject normalfags. The thing is, NijiEN started off as very much a HoloEN clone. They kept that stance for 6 months to lure people in and get them accustomed to it first. People are sitting here defending them out of pure sunk cost fallacy and nothing more. This shit ain't the cute Lazulight you first knew last May or the initial hype around Selen last August. Move on.

>>21060928
Bro they're even hiring a Holostars EN manager right now...

>>21060836
But anon, caring about things is for losers. All the cool kids don't care about anything. Unfortunately nobody notices you if you don't care, so they constantly have to tell you how much they don't care.

>>21060836
You're preaching to zoomers who can never hold down a job for longer than 3months.

>>21060214
>>21060494
>>21060603
Why are you guys bringing up JP when lazulight literally mentioned that the way EN runs are based from ID not JP

>>21061015
B-b-bro just believe me. T-they're gonna bring the fags in any day now! Evidence? Uhh trust me man!

>>21060836
this, it's literally an IRL yab to fuck coworkers unless you are working a fucking idiot trailer trash or immigrant tier job.

NijiEN now has the standards of the Denny's manager fucking some stupid teen on the food prep table in the back and then making you pancakes with some scrotum hair in them.

>>21059292
It's already known that holobrony schizos are the ones making all these nijibait threads and shitting up the catalog. The rest of the holofags, of course, refuse to call them out, which is why we continue having this problem.

>>21061100
Digits confirm

Elira streaming now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-C0nfMuBfA

>>21061105
>Denny's manager fucking some stupid teen on the food prep table in the back
d-damn that's hot...

>>21061094
i don't care about what your whores said, i just replied to someone trying to say they were just like jp

>>21060928
Do you live under a rock?
>>21059730
Kinda, but she is still loved by jap audience.

>>21061100
You're so dumb you can't even search one tweet? Get out of this board and lurk some more before posting, you deluded retard.

>>21061147
>It is known
kek

Even in EN their will always be a divide between stars and live. Their might be a collab or two down the line but it wouldn't be like NijiEN at all. You're just doomposting for no reason.

>>21061147
DYRBI?

>>21061228
Oh he's copin. Oh he's cryin. Maybe next time you'll be right nipplebro

>>21059842
>Two chuubas of different genders drank together on stream
>This is cuckery
>Certain ASMR GFE chuuba and owl chuuba doing GFE while having a boyfriend
>This is not cuckery live on stream
Being a hololive fan is a mental illness

>>21061255
You severely underestimate western women

>>21061294
>ASMR GFE chuuba
Fauna has a BF?

>>21060353
I kinda agree. Part of the problem is NijiEN went from a Hololive clone in the LazuLight days to what it currently is. If we had Vox and Mysta from Day 1 alongside the rest of LazuLight, there wouldn't be as much whining.

>>21061228
>Dude go on twitter!
What brand of faggot are you to say this and then tell someone else they should get off this board kek

>>21061294
Neither of them do GFE retard. Way to show that you don't watch streams

>>21059087
Take meds. Have sex.

The only niji fans here are either people whose attitude doesn't fit in here in the first place and would be way more at home hanging out with trannies on Discord, or people whose oshi is making /vt/
Oh, and fujos, fags, and yumes maybe. The male niji audience here is either emasculated, borderline, gay, or oozes normalfaggotry. The women are women, and all four kinds of men listed behave like women more than men because they're all a different flavor of preachy attention whore.

Basically, male niji fans are responsible for how shit /vt/ is

>>21061403
Are you unironically retarded? Every single major Hololive news is announced on official Twitter channels, you complete imbecile.

>>21059087
>>Males and females doing actual off collabs
Weird but ok
>and even hinting at having had sex on Twitter
Yeah I don't know how anyone defends that. That's like cheering on your friends to go fuck while you go sit by yourself in the corner and then they tease you about it. What the fuck.

>>21060836
them fucking changes absolutely nothing in my life. i'm watching them for entertainment and as long as they provide it they can even be unironical /pol/tards irl.

>>21061550
>Every single major hololive news
Ah you're esl. My bad man. Tell me normalfag, why would I use Twitter when there's a billion Twitter threads right here? And why has hololive not debuted this mythical English male gen while the iron was still hot? You being a cuck doesn't mean the rest of us want to be my man

>>21059087
So you mean to tell me Nijisanji has real friendships and not forced cringe collabs? damn I guess I'll watch them now

>>21061667
Sounds like cope cuckboi, no one watches chuubas for entertainment

>>21061667
It doesn't change anything in your life. But it certainly does in their lives and that's where the drama comes from.

>>21061669
No, dear imbecile. You're the ESL because somehow you interpreted a post saying "Go search a tweet that announced Hololive is looking for Stars EN managers" as "Yo dude go to Twitter, it's so cool". Please, unironically go back to middle school, my man. Your in severe need of some reading comprehension lessons.

>>21061518
Just like irl we can blame weak white men for this too

>>21061785
>Your
Who's the ESL again?

>>21061740
then what the fuck are you watching them for? dyrb that you'll get to fuck them one day?
>>21061756
you act like you're an expert at crossgender relations. if {male} + {female} then {tragedy}?

it's literally a discord friend group you're not a part of

>>21061858
(You) because not only you can't comprehend basic sentences, but you also can't see when something is a clear typo and not a grammar mistake.

>>21061893
Shur up incel

>>21061740
>no one watches chuubas for entertainment
Is that the holobrony final form?

Does NijiEN even have managers? if they're allowing this shit then what purpose do they serve?

>>21059719
>doesn’t care if oshi sleeps around
Is this practice for your next relationship?

>>21059238
Most of the people who watched NijiEN when it was girls-only were just Holofags in denial that were too hipster to watch HoloEN and then got butthurt when Niji added males and don't act like Hololive.

>>21062028
Nuo speaka engrish sowwy

>>21059503
Unitybro reporting in
I skip any Niji stream that has males

Niji thriving holofags in shambles
ticktock the EN homos are coming.

>>21061887
>if {male} + {female} then {tragedy}
Yes do you even have to ask?
But the problem here is that casual sex between colleagues just breeds jealousy. What if one of the other guys likes Nina (for some reason)? What if the sex friends have some fight and split? Do you think that will go well for future relations in the company? No it will create all sorts of issues where X refuse to be on collars with Y. All of this is made worse due to the fact that the people involved are awkward inexperienced nerds.

>>21062028
Norr got her job via nepotism like Elira lmao
shes also a fucking poo in the loo, you expect them to be smart?

>>21061957
rather that than a nijicuck

>>21062028
Don't forget the daily discord leaks from the chuubas. We should all strive to be NijiEN mangers, getting paid to do literally nothing.

>>21062028
They're pajeets/pajeetas as was revealed from the pre-debut noctys test stream. Literally they just took their failed India branch (who barely speaks English and was their failed initial attempt at an "EN" branch following HoloEN's success) and made them managers. Fucking crazy, they couldn't even be assed to find actual Westerners to run this shit. This is why it's so lax, Anycolor scarcely comprehends how to run their shit.

>>21059127
bless miko poster

>>21061931
>seethe
>kek

>>21061518
Holobronies don't have any room to talk about emasculated men when they started the practice of donating all of their savings to women for pretending to appreciate them

>>21062181
You mean, niji males are thriving. Meanwhile reimu gets like 400ccv still, Finana is often sub 1k etc. The girls aren't really getting much out of this besides Nina and whatever leeching they can eke out.

>>21061972
He's right.

If people watched them just for entertainment male vtubers would be just as popular with male audience as female vtubers.
And female vtubers would have just as many women watching them as men.

The reality is that people watch vtubers in a large part because of sexual attraction and if you can't even acknowledge this everything you say is just cope.

>>21059087
you are watching youtube, not chaturbate

>>21059922
Clearly you're getting filtered then. I used to watch 50% HoloEN and 50% NijiEN when it was just Lazulight/Obsydia, but now it's like 99% NijiEN. If it wasn't for HoloFes it would be 100%.

>>21059278
I used to follow NijiEN religiously but this is what made me stop. I just watch Hada and Seffyna now instead.

>>21062319
>reimu gets like 400ccv still, Finana is often sub 1k etc
Literally just checked and that ain't true though, why are you lying holonigger?

>>21062369
Get filtered lmao

>>21062426
Yes, I am getting filtered, that was the point of my post. Why the fuck would you think I'd be embarrassed just because you used a buzzword?

>>21059127
I'm starting to like these

>>21062426
I switched from Hololive to Nijisanji after Luxiem personally. Every HoloEN interaction feels staged/fake now. Not like Nijisanji is doing anything special, it's just that Hololive's talents seem like they're having less fun, more like they're acting?

>>21062351
I was being hyperbolic because of how many viewers treat them as coombait

I don't know why people are pretending the female waves were some bastion of purity. They were and still are as crude as the guys are. Exception being Rosemi who goes above and beyond to remain seiso to the point it creates a huge contrast with the rest of the branch. I kind of feel bad for her trying to stay true to kayfabe and seiso but no one else gives a fuck in her branch.

>>21062319
The shitty girls are doing poorly like always yes but even they are growing in subs better than ever just from the exposure the boys brought to nijiEN.

>>21062539
Yeah, he's actually being nice - Reimu dipped into the 300s the other week or so. Literally worse than indies or small corpos.

>>21062692
same
>Hololive too sterile and brand image like. Talents get canceled and memorywiped for talking to a m*le
>Vshojo has absolutely no boundaries and talents are openly fucking people
>Nijisanji talents casual and fun. Talk to m*les, never feels sexual though.

>>21059409
I checked NijiEN out early on, but steered clear once they started collabing with a lot of male vtubers & twitch streamers.
People say to just skip those streams and not be schizo about it, but the slippery slope gets proven time and time again.

>>21062803
So it's okay that Vox's fujos refuse to watch Reimu, but when we "unicorns" talk about how we don't want males in our female collabs we're somehow the bad guys?

>>21062864
Who was it proven with before? Aloe? Fauna? Rushia? Mori? Kiara?

>>21059087
Your anti-male stance would have more strength if there were more groups that were girls only and were successful solely because of that, then you could argue there's an actual link. Unfortunately it's just Hololive right now.

>>21062803
Remius been getting a lot of higher streams too though.

>>21062742
She and Pomu have some actual idea of what makes vtubers distinctive, they try to actually play the part of an anime girl instead of try to push things towards being a regular facecam streamer with limits they just want to break if they can.

To immediately want to try to push the boundaries and go "haha triggered filtered" at anyone having a problem with it shows just how fucking much they don't actually get it. Which is most EN tubers.

I'm really looking forward to the inevitable rape accusation drama that's going to come from the offline boozing collabs. Unless management sends a sober chaperone to keep everyone on the straight and narrow at these events then eventually there will be a time when they get drunk and hook up, and the girl will regret it. And then through the power of zoomers and the internet, the lack of affirmative consent becomes rape. Every time one of these events happens the probability inches a bit closer to one. Oh man that's going to be good shit.

>>21060603
>Many NijiJPs are fucking indistinguishable from Hololive type standards
God I fucking hate when Nijiniggers slip lies into their posts.

>>21060431
do the girls still live there, or did they move out after Yvonne got raped?

I just want to watch cute anime girls. Why must I be forced to watch them collab with males?

>>21063035

Considering Ike already got a taste of this in his past life...

>>21063035
If I was a vtuber in a company I would refuse to do an offline collab with a woman alone.

>>21059087
And the best part? Instead of actually being worried for the growth of the group the nipplefags just scream "HURRRR FILTERED!!!" when anyone points out how unappealing the mixed collabs are. Can you imagine viewers from groups like Cyberlive and Phase Connect doing that? Willingly pushing away new viewers just so they can feel superior or whatever? Is this some sort of ego problem? They're only just above the likes of WACTOR and Kawaii and they think they're big enough to turn away potential viewers?

>>21063035
Especially when you consider there's no way all 10 of the nijimales are good-looking, it's definitely possible. All it takes is a girl feeling like changing her mind in a few days surmising she was drunk and never would have let him touch her normally etc.

The thing is, Anycolor would take such an accusation and try to work it out purely behind the scenes hoping it never ever hits the light of day even if the girl wants to tell everyone. They'd gag her or fire her first before letting her blab. So you'd only really know from a leak.

>>21063035
Well yeah, it's a ticking time bomb. Twitch has some scandal like that monthly.

>>21063450
>when anyone points out how unappealing the mixed collabs are.
wut? the males are by far more popular than most of the girls lol

>>21062996
leeching off jp males instead

>>21062971
None of those are anywhere near as bad as NijiEN and Vshojo right now, but I wouldn't watch Mori since she also keeps sliding down the slope.

>Because they dared to hire male vtubers I want the group to be destroyed by sexual assault allegations.
????

I can't believe Millie got a good ending

>>21063647
it's not about want, it's just inevitable and people are gonna say "I told you so" when it happens.

>>21063710
you're making up deranged fantasies in your head bro

>>21059409
>>21059566
>OTV
Can we skip to the part where Mysta gets ousted for molesting Nina, then? I don't want to have to wait for it.

>>21062742
Funny because Rosemi has already complained about being put in a seiso box in her member streams.

>>21063737
anon, this shit happens repeatedly. you're burying your head in the sand.

>>21063748
Nina seems like a clout chaser, it wouldn't even surprise me.

>>21063452
You think the girl will go to management? No that shit is going straight in a twitlonger: "Regarding Mysta"

>>21062864
The funny thing is you literally cannot escape the dudes anymore. Even in a girl's solo stream, they will drop by and start chatting up the girls and attentionwhoring.

There needs to be a ratio of solo:collabs. Solo is the only time the chubba and the audience are really interacting, if there is never any solo anymore it feels like the chat absolutely doesn't need to exist and it doesn't matter if it's live or not, in effect, defeating the point of a livestream.

In collabs the people are occupied talking with each other, not the audience. I don't blame them for that as that's natural to talk with someone chatting with you - but it does fundamentally change the dynamic of the stream. I think 98% of the viewers talking in chat are too fucking dense to realize that they might as well be talking into a brick wall in collabs yet but maybe they will eventually. Just go fucking watch some anime if the audience is totally not a part of the picture and nothing the characters on screen are doing intersects with you in even the most intangibly small way.

>>21063710
Has it ever happened in ID or JP? The closest it came to happening ended up with the guy getting fired before he even started.

>>21063748
I'm pretty sure Nina is the one who would be doing the molesting.

>>21059087
>>Jesus Christ, if this is what Hololive EN will become after the advent of Stars EN
do you have a single fact to back that up

>>21063710
Yea just like Mori was gonna bring down Hololive and graduate right?
Seek help.

>>21063807
if you think this happens in literally every group where men and women interact you need some kind of therapy

>>21059127
I love you miko poster!

>>21062803
>>21062319
?

>>21063450
>growth of the group
They all get +1k/subs a day or more, including the girls
>when anyone points out how unappealing the mixed collabs are
Nina's off-collab brought her +10k subs in one day and 20k ccv.

>>21063920
Cultural differences. Japs are less likely to get in that situation in the first place and don't have the same type of cancel culture.
Now that we have western women involved, anything that you've seen happen in other communities is possible

I legitimately want NijiEN and Vshoujo to crash and burn so that only Hololive is at the top.
>H-Holobrony!
Yes, you fuckers are turning vtubers into basic thot e girls

>>21059127
Mikoposter is a nijinigger. Yikes

>>21064064
meds

>>21064064
This anon is right, the girls should hide their relationships until it accidentally gets exposed leading to the holo's termination.

>>21063139
Just like in anime, ironic weebs ruin everything.

>>21064149
Nice strawman that never happened bro

>>21064149
Ok, howabout the NijiEN girls make the first move and announce their BFs to everyone live on stream. Nijimales also talk about their real GFs too. Why doesn't Niji do this? Oh right, they actually are still after gachikoi fundamentally and do understand that despite people relentlessly pushing for this shit to degenerate into a part for dudebro normalfags, the companies themselves don't want that.

>>21063920
Yeah, they fired a male manager in Hololive for harassing a talent. Now they're a lot more careful about it.

>>21064138
I'll laugh in your face when it all comes crashing down

>>21063885
Fucking this, let me talk to the girls sometimes.
We're continuously getting mogged by the Nijimales and I hate it. I've blocked them all but I still end up hearing them. I finally understand why some people become antifans now.

>>21064064

>BOY WOULDN IT BE GREAT IF ONE OF THE MALE TALENTS RAPES ONE OF THE FEMALE ONES?
>MAN SURE WOULD SUCK IF ONE OF THOSE IN THE OFF COLLAB GOT COVID AND DIED
Some of you people are deranged.

>>21064308
>both niji males and vshojo doing nothing but growing
good luck buddy

>>21064155
this, they really don't understand people actually do care about things and don't like anime just to fit in with some random shitters on discord. I was watching anime in the 90s. Vtubers to me are best suited as being as close to like an anime girl as possible, which I know damn fucking well what that is supposed to look like and act like. Ironic weebs have no fucking clue what to expect or look for and hence no standards to go "wait you're not even trying here you might as well be facecamming." I never fucking liked ecelebs or twitch streamers before vtubers, not even one fucking iota, and I will go back to not caring about streamers in general if they all devolve into twitch ethots - and take my six fig salary back with me.

They should've taken the Noripro approach
>Half of them are idols and don't interact with men at all.
>Other half are variety streamers who can talk to guys freely.
Best of both worlds, I have no clue why more groups don't do this?

>>21064308
Help me out here anon, which is the company that lost their biggest 2 moneymakers?

>>21059127
I despise (YOU). Do better. Stop samefagging.

>>21059127
Based

>>21064423
Cause nobody gives a fuck about noripro's 2 views.

>>21064423
None of the current girls want to be separated from the men

>>21061957
He's not wrong. It's a strategy they use to make you want to join in and participate in the "community" to feel included. However, they do it too much and just push off some people. I'd be annoyed too if every other stream is a fucking collab. The worst ones are impromptu collabs and 3+ group collabs. Just let me watch my favorite streamers in peace jesus christ.

>>21064423
The only members of that group that I know of are from the variety side.

Man so much seething in this general
Who cares if vox and his comrades are having off collabs
Who cares if mori over extends
Streamers, vtubers, their life will always be better than yours
Deal with it

I don't give a shit about your holobrony vs nipplesanji shitflinging wars, I just want to open a Niji EN stream without some faggot crashing in and turning it into a collab.

>>21064057
>No response
I would say don't engage with them, but they'll end up spouting some other unfounded shit because they're a holodrone brainwashed to lie about other corpotubers

>Group that doesn't give a fuck about male/female interactions
Vs
>Fake whores milking lonely losers for money

Ill go with the honest one, 0 expectations that way and easier to enjoy them as entertainers versus a bunch of GFE types selling you bullshit.
The fact that bronies have the audacity to claim superiority after the Rushia shit really is mindblowing, literally the GFE queen, completely exposed and people just cover their eyes and pretend not to see.

>>21064369
you new here?

>>21064811
Why don't you just come back home?

>>21059087
Stop being such a unicorn

I don't mind males that much but holy shit if HoloEN becomes like NijiEN I'm actually going to be depressed, at the end of the day I still want to watch my oshi doing her own thing is a channel about her after all not the fucking collab central

>>21064919
Males existing won't stop autists from being fucking autistic. Impromtu collab spams already happened in HoloEN and it's when Council debuted. If you didn't like those you would've left a long time ago. I doubt males would change anything.

>>21064881
Who in nijisanjiEN has had actual boyfriend yabs?

>>21059087
>there are "people" on this board that watch w*stern vtubers and expect anything other than pure degeneracy and getting cucked
it takes a special breed of retard to be like this

>>21064881
NijiEN isn't 100% honest, this is a false choice. If they were and parasocial totally wasn't a factor, then the NijiEN girls would openly tell you they have BFs etc. The ONLY reason you know any shit about Holos is because some of them have dogshit opsec. If it was known this entire time Pomu has had a BF how would you feel? What if she told you right away, etc? They're the same fucking thing in the most core part of the structure.

>>21064811
Who gives a fuck, surprise collab makes things fun

>>21064919
If spending time with her friends playing games makes her happy, and doesn't make you happy, is she even your oshi anon? Take care :(

>>21064881
>j-just have no standards and watch the group that doesn't give a fuck about anything!
This isn't as persuasive as you think it is.

>>21065080
fuck no, the most you get from holoEN is holos commenting on someone's else's chat or open voice chat jump king streams, is really rare for another holo to interrupt someone's else's stream just to play together the only time that used to happen a lot was in the minecraft arc

>>21065247
Holos are mindful of being called leeches. NijiEN is a giant fucking ball of leeches sucking each other off.

All this crying from people who don't even watch Niji but go to the NijiEn thread and everyone just wants to fuck Sonny and Shu

>>21065281
You mean, the people here complaining are because they feel replaced, and you can see actual audience replacement happening in the NijiEN thread.

I just don't like impromput collabs period, dpesn't matter if it includes males or not.
Don't care about the ajority of nijien and if I watch a solo stream I don't want to randomly see someone join and distract from who I actuallywant to watch.
Am I a schizo?

>>21065317
Hahaha, what the fuck is this schizo
Replaced? How tf do you replace people, nigga what

>>21065281
This thread is made up of potential viewers that Riku threw away like a jackass

>>21063452
How exactly would anycolor prevent someone from just posting that shit online?

>>21065272
Can someone explain how streaming with someone else would make you a leech? If you're interesting, people will subscribe to you. Its not as if people will subscribe to a boring person just because they played super bunny man with their oshi. I watch Nijisanji, but I'm only subscribed to two Nijis

>>21065317
>replacement
LOL

>>21059127
Proud to be a 35P

>>21065567
it's not it's just that no one here knows what friends are

>>21065541
Nijis have brain bombs

>>21065567
You're not allowed to stream with someone more popular than you

>unicorns openly fantasizing about how they wish a male niji will rape a female niji
Wow you people are lunatics

>>21065503
Oh no! <100 people on an incel forum! Whatever shall he do!
>viewership up across the board, including the girls
And nothing of value was lost.

>>21065247
I remember someone in NijiEN (Luxiem member I believe) actually interrupted member stream of female NijiEN

>>21060353
I agree. They shouldn’t have built up an audience only to supplant them with faggotry, just induce AIDS from the get-go if you’re so proud of it.

>>21065734
wrong + burden of proof + L + ratio + jinzou faiya faiba waipa

>>21065567
Constantly associating with someone more famous than you is leeching. Success by association/parasitism on someone double double/triple your subs/viewers is not real success. It isn't hard to understand.

>>21065700
Please, keep being smug. It'll make the stagnation all the better.

>>21065734
Reimu doesn't count as NijiEn
She doesn't even know english

>>21065734
I also remember reading that in a /vt/ thread and I remember it so well that I don't remember which boy did it even though it was /#/'s new favorite EN toy

When Kawaii Production and Tsunderia pass NijiEN then Anycolor will wake the fuck up.

>>21065247
Have you not watched the Council RE and horror streams? They jump in and jump out of the discord channel during those.

>>21065734
>literally the most sacred time made to interact with the most dedicated fans
>interrupted
that's fucked up

>>21065843
Kek

>>21065700
>incel
Where are you from? I'm curious. I don't think that buzzword is commonly used here.

>>21065819
What if they're your friend, anon?

>>21065569
Probably few to none of the Lazulight/Obsydia viewers would have openly wanted what you have now (solo streams constantly interrupted, everything turns into a male collab, male drinking offcollabs) if you gave them that question/choice 6 months ago. Back then, people were looking to level them as parity with Holos. Gura killer this/that, wow Yagoo really fucked up not taking in Selen/Pomu for Holo etc. Not a word about "boy I can't wait for guys to come along and collab with them 4 times a week." Not a fucking peep. I was fucking there. The audience back then was like a splinter of ex-Holo fans generally. Now it's a mix of fujos who never even liked Holo to begin with, tumblrites etc posting gay dude shipping fics. And people all trying to excuse it as "it's ok it's not THAT bad" as a pure, fucking, diamond coated cope. It's sad.

>>21065163
Imagine you had a friend who you really enjoyed the company of, but then suddenly one day, whenever they came around there was a 50% chance some annoying unfunny faggot (let's call them Shmysta) was accompanying them. You probably wouldn't hold it against that friend, but the constant presence of Shmysta would definitely make you less inclined to have them around.

>>21065950
Unlikely to happen but still feasible. The only true impossibility is Anykara actually paying any mind, though.

>>21060286
Truth poster. That high and mighty shit that nijis try and pull is bullshit. The success of nijiEN is built off the backs of gachis too.

>>21065950
Why Kawaii? Prism and Phase Connect have a better shot at it.

>>21065819
>Collabing to increase exposure to each other's audience is leeeching

>>21065118
>NijiEN isn't 100% honest, this is a false choice.
They are all hypocrites anon, all of the people who talk about muh parasocial relationships or muh unicorns are.

Vtubers like the Nijis or Vwhores who claim to be against idol culture and gachis still don't mention their current partners (or even stopped mentioning their children) because they want the big gachi bucks.

The fans that claim to only watch them as entertainment are just as parasocially invested as the unicorns. They probably also think they could be friends with these people if they met irl, just like how the unicorn thinks they could be the perfect couple.

I could even argue that the unicorns are healthier than the guys that want to sit in a corner and watch other people flirt and fuck.

And then there is the fact that there is always an underlying hint of fans being sexually attracted to the people they watch. It's why female vtubers are mostly watched by adult men.

>>21066085
What if you're the "Smysta" anon? Why would your oshi enjoy interacting with this person, and why would that make you angry? If the two of you had likewise intentions then why would you dislike someone that makes your oshi happy?

>>21066098
Kawaii is everything Hololive wanted their EN branch to be and has the one EN chuuba who 100% deserves a spot in Hololive.

Have fun being a unicorn. Anyone else enjoyed Chaika/Joe/Deron/Furen's 3D karaoke yesterday? Hope we get something like that in EN.

>>21066076
>ex-holo fans
Mostly true. Except people who watch Petra are straight out of /2424/

>>21066055
That's even worse, it's in effect just vtuber cronyism. Why are you blind.

>>21066076
What? There were plenty of people saying they wanted the males to come and it didn't feel like Niji without them back when it was just lazulight. Even hololive fans were shitting on them for being "hololive lite".

>>21066076
nijisanji has literally always had mixed collabs, not their fault holobronies were being retarded

>>21066186
Because if they only want to play games together then they can fuck off and stop streaming. Streaming means caring about the audience.

>>21066188
>Wanting more doxxbraps in HoloEN
But why?

>>21066173
reddit spacing didnt read lmao
>>21066190
yeah, i hope i see it more in all companies, covid travel restrictions were reduced last month I think, so maybe we will see more

>>21059087
>>Males and females doing actual off collabs and even hinting at having had sex on Twitter
wait really? Is this actually true? I tuned out of nijiEN after the faggots debuted because of all the previous points you stated

>>21066236
>hololive fans shit on nijisanji for being hololive lite
>becomes more like nijisanji jp by introducing males
>hololive fans shit on nijisanji for having males and not being hololive
It's always just Nijisanji bad Hololive good.

>>21066076
NijiEN had impromptu collabs and even drinking offcollabs before the males arrived, but you're only finding an issue with it now because >males

>>21066299
The absolute state of nijiEN

>>21066262
You might be in the minority then anon, it's true that every vtuber is very aware of their viewers and what they like/dislike. I think 90% of people would have no problem seeing their oshi having fun with friends, who are you to tell them who they should have fun with?

Every company should be like Hololive. You CANNOT convince me that this wouldn't improve the vtubing community.

>>21066148
Yes, it is. It's not real success if your sub base is >50% from jumping into the field of view of someone else. When you look at how even large collabs with the girls are still only like 2-3k combined it suggests a ton of incestuous audience of people all subbed to them at once because they all collabed. It's illusionary "growth."

>>21066262
I feel like the people that say this don't really watch them to be honest. Because a lot of the girls will spend anywhere from half an hour to two hours just chatting with their audiences after a collab.

>>21062426
Everyone is getting filtered. Nijis and Holos are headed in completely different directions and pander to different audiences. Now holofans are afraid that EN homostars will just be Luxiem light. Why would they stick around for something that filtered them in the first place. It would be like if Anycolor suddenly stopped letting males collab with girls because it could upset their fujo gachis.

>>21059087
>Constant male/female collabs all week
Why is it bad? If you want yuri go watch Holo then.

>>21066395
>It's not real success if your sub base is >50% from jumping into the field of view of someone else.

Moonasharts in shambles

>>21066350
>Slept on separate couches after drinking
>One is a hag, and the other is a virgin ph incel
>bros, they must have FUCKED
if you're going to post bait at least make it feasible like Vox and Nina, or Vox and Mysta

>>21066395
>When you look at how even large collabs with the girls are still only like 2-3k combined
They aren't though? The last time Lazulight and Obsydia did a collab together I think they were around 10k across two streams.

>>21066395
what are you even talking about

>>21060214
JP nijis have mentioned multiple times that the EN branch is completely different from how they operate and do things they would never get away with.

>>21065833
I love stags

>>21066395
>When you look at how even large collabs with the girls are still only like 2-3k combined it suggests a ton of incestuous audience of people all subbed to them at once because they all collabed. It's illusionary "growth."
Four girls (only) had a collab that broke 10k less than a week ago.

>>21060431
Pokimane is a mayo, she just puts on makeup to try to look Asian

>>21066703
Holy shit, didn't he celebrate 400k like, last week?

>>21066186
>why would you dislike someone that makes your oshi happy?
I don't think you got the metaphor. They can be friends with whoever they want, I don't give a shit. But if Shmysta is constantly there, no matter how much you once enjoyed hanging out with that friend, you probably don't want to be around them because Shmysta is just too annoying to be around. If my oshi wanted to do nothing but stream themselves watching grass die, I would be glad they're doing something they enjoy, but I'm still going to admit it's not something I want to watch.

>>21066757
China has like 700 million women in it anon. Millions of office lady fujos.

>>21066673
>One JP is going to speak on behalf of the entire branch

>>21066673
In reference to Luxiem thats more to do with how hard they pander. Then in regards to the girls its more to do Japanese fans lamenting how naturally they can interact with each other. NijiJP which has become more and more corporate and splintered over the years while they still feel like a friend group.

>>21062177
Holobro here, I skip all Niji streams except Luca. I like him.

I'm still praying Hololive poaches some of the girls.

>>21066930
You'd probably like Shu, he's a chill brotuber, no pandering. For girls, Pomu and Rosemi are good, but you probably know them since they do stream with Luca a lot

>>21061232
>>21061266
Holotard already outed itself (im not considering holoschizos humans) in /nijien/ and got banned.

/vt/ - schizophrenic delusions

So guys, when are we getting another ban for 40 selffag replies? I know this board is almost not moderated but come on.

Holy shit, I didn't know there were so many incels on this board, I thought it was just a running gag...

>>21066806
this, if you got into a chuuba for her solo content or some game she liked and then it's now functionally "the one you liked plus also this annoying shitter you never cared about all the time" it's a fundamentally different meta now.

It'd be like going "well Qui-gon was pretty cool in Phantom Menace so it doesn't matter if Jar-Jar Binks exists and is by his side half the film." No. It matters that Jar jar is there. It'd have been way nicer if he just wasn't there.

>>21067394
It's weird I used to see this sold as a positive of Hololive though. It always used to be that "with Nijisanji you have no chance of getting to know them all because there are so many, but with Hololive its small enough that you get to know everyone through their collabs and it feels like a big family". Just another example of when Hololive does it its good when Nijisanji does it its bad.

>>21059087
seethe, holofags

>>21059409
If NijiEN is doomed to become some normie streamer group, the least they could do is imitate Ice Poseidon rather than OTV. I would much rather watch them fling shit at each other and just have pure chaos happen than them doing whatever gay boring shit they're doing now.

>>21067260
Jannies would have to ban like half of the catalog, too much work.

>>21067548
Hololive isn't literally >50% collabs. If Kiara annoys you but you really like ____, they will cross paths only a fucking couple times a year outside of whole-group collabs (which there are also usually only a couple of a year). It's generally extremely easy to just avoid the existence of one you don't care for. Not so in NijiEN.

As someone that hates coll*bs, even if I don't really care about tribalism Niji will never get my views

>>21065950
Shhhhh we don't need shitstirrers from here in Kawaii

>>21067766
Seems like you are exaggerating saying >50% collabs.

Niji EN is pretty much just OTV at this point, I dread the day when EN Stars becomes a thing and Mori/Bae/whoever else tries pushing collabs.

>>21059719
>because nijisanji isn't an idol company. I genuinely do not give a fuck if my oshi is sleeping around the company.
the mind of a cuckold truly is terrifying

>>21059278
It’s actually a legitimate criticism. Even if it was two females, sometimes you just want to watch solo content.

>>21068119
It's actually pretty close.
>>21064057

Also, many "solo" streams these days have others coming in to chat, sometimes for a while. Interestingly, this used to indeed be admired when NijiEN was new - Lazulight was only 3 girls however. There weren't enough of them existing for the frequency of them chiming in to become annoying. So it was just seen as cute. Tick that up to 17 people and now it's a constant din of chatter, hence people feeling like they're acting more like a clique these days 2cool for the audience.

>>21060821
cuck

It's very funny reading the comments from this thread because it gives you the impression that nijis never did any solo whatsoever and even people who defended it still gave that impression by not giving the context.
I can fully bet that if you count only solo streams most of NijiEN still stack more hours in total overall compared to say most HoloEN members except maybe Kiara.

>>21068488
100 hours of unwatchable garbage <<<< 10 hours of kino

>>21068450
You are kind of picking the worst examples though? Half the girls more or less never turn a solo stream into a collab stream. I think like Millie, Enna, Elira, Finana, Rosemi and have only done that once or twice at most some of them not at all.

>>21068227
Considering my oshi is part of that talkcast, I’m at like 500% alert of such.

>>21064881
NO IRYS WATCH OUT FOR THE KNEE

>>21068589
Lazu used to talk much more to each other cross-stream when they were new as a group. It was seen as a boon, people used it to shittalk Holo for not being as close of friends to the point Holos started doing it more too in response.

That was half a year ago however. These days though mostly it means the dudes coming by crashing the girls' streams.

>>21068488
It's true, if you are solely interested in solo content you can get more of that from one Elira or Selen stream most weeks than you can from the majority of HoloEN girls.

>>21068526
People are talking about quantity so might as well place quantity in context. Why are you suddenly talking about some unrelated thing, holofriend? Is there something that bothers you?

>>21068488
>Actual point
>>21068526
>Goalpost shifts

/vt/'s back, baby

>>21068771
You're the one going "they stream more so they're better" out of the blue. That's a fucking cope and has nothing to do with the structural changes that have come to NijiEN.

>>21068824
This whole thread has been people saying "they do too many collabs there isn't enough solo content" but even then they do more solo content than HoloEN does so if thats what you wanted you are better served by the NijiEN girls.

I think I'm starting to understand what anons mean by "it feels like a discord friend group you're not apart of". This literally feels like a group of friends hanging out, telling you how their friend date was on their personal/life account and how much fun they had without sharing any of it with you.

>>21068959
No duh. However I feel it's part of Anycolor's strategy - they're forced to all shill each other all the fucking time, they box push ultra-hard. When Noctyx was first unveiled and Vox and Fulgur immediately had some public shittalking exchange on twitter within fucking minutes, that felt forced as fuck.

So I think it's partly the company pushing it, but it does as a result make things look like a clique. Incidentally Niji is famous for cliques. There just haven't been enough ENs for that to really be a thing. If they get like 100 members however then you'll see that shit start to creep up again.

Tsunderia has males, but no one makes this complaint about them because it's actually well balanced within Tsundream. Face it, even if it isn't that big of a deal to you it's a valid criticism.

>>21068380
For perhaps we do not see them as our oshis. Have you ever thought to take a step back and not religiously adhere to worshipping as well as developing a parasocial relationship with someone who doesn't even know who you are?

>>21059127
BASED

>>21069165
They're not forced to do anything. When Luxiem launched it was a whole range of responses from Selen barely even mentioning it to Elira and Nina shilling hard. Why do people that don't even follow them care enough to make up these conspiracy theories in their head?

>>21068438
this. a lot of times I just wanna watch solo content.

>>21069230
Dead company

>>21069410
Cope nipplebitch

>>21069253
Anycolor WANTS gachikoi however. If they didn't, then they wouldn't be putting on song/dance festivals, original songs etc and let the girls/guys talk openly about who they've been fucking lately or what their wives/husbands have been up to etc. It's not totally idol-like but not actually normalfag central - but people try to spin it as such when no it's not actually that.

In previous Discord cap leaks Pomu was lamenting that they were making her do gachikoi type voice packs and she was all "waah I'm not an idol." No, the company does want that still. They're just pretending they don't. There's something specially pathetic about some fucking loser pretending he isn't one because "well MY girls talk to guys! but she's still my pute cute oshi!." Dude.

>>21069165
why are you "people" like this

>>21069410
They're literally the only other example you can use. You can call them 2views or whatever when Miori is mogging Reimu if that helps you cope.

>>21069410
They’re actually doing quite well, all things considered.

>>21069517
>whore baiting coomers
ogey

>>21069453
Song/dance festivals and original songs aren't related to wanting gachikoi? They are big audience draws and money makers. The talents can talk about who they've been fucking and their husbands/wives if they want, literally Gwelu announced he was married and announced his child, but the majority choose not too for obvious reasons because they want to make money. But it isn't anything coming from the company.

>>21069572
Are they the ones that did the nijien song mashup?

>>21069602
yes, but enough about NijiEN males,

>>21069602
I’m really hoping you’re not a Nipplefan if you’re making that argument.

>>21069655
Yeah, that was them.

>>21069410
The day Tsun gets more viewers than Rosemi I'll fucking laugh.

>>21069655
>>21069763
nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWcA8c-xpA

>>21059438
maybe females need work on being more entertaining...

>>21069974
I think many of the members between the two companies are friends and acquaintances to begin with so its kind of hilarious to see people trying to start tribalfagging in this thread when most of the comments are NijiEN members shilling the video.

>>21068959
The replies to those tweets just make it even more sad. Why do Nijifags do this to themselves?

>>21070399
Why didn't I see anyone complain about this when the girls were yuribaiting with each other on twitter after their off collab stream talking about bathing and each other panties colour?

>>21069319
>They're not forced to do anything
too bad you failed to demonstrate that

>>21070708
If they were being forced to shill the males you'd expect a standard level of shilling from everyone but it varied massively.

>bump limit
That's all folks. Same place, same time, and same posts next thread.

>>21060928

https://youtu.be/_wA1SOzKVsU

lmfaooooo

>>21059127
Please ban miko poster

>>21071487
NTA, but odds are that they’ll be ultra segregated, if those auditions ever even bear fruit to begin with.

>>21070648
yuri good and yaoi bad, pls andastand

>>21070648
Because I didn't know about it. /u/fags are cucks.

Honestly, StarsEN needs to debut already, so shitposting on /vt/ switches back to Hololive infighting again. I miss the days when orange washed over the board, and every other vtuber fanbase was just left alone.

>>21062177
That's alright but you are missing on some good stuff.
I don't watch the boys often but sometimes they do really great collabs.

>>21066173
Based

>>21068119
Actually not an exaggeration

>>21072492
Actually an exaggeration.

>>21066173
>or even stopped mentioning their children
Who used to mention having children?

>>21072293
The first place I would take exception to that post is I don't think I have ever seen any of the NijiEN girls claim to be against idol culture I mean two of the biggest girls Elira and Pomu are male and female idol fans respectively. They might say they are not idols but that is just setting reasonable fan expectations. The second place I would take exception to that is "flirt and fuck" like basically none of the NijIEN males and females flirt at all, its just males and females having fun together, and most of them live on different continents. The only male/female pairing you might interpret that way really is Vox and Reimu but that is like 12 year olds on the playground level of flirting if anything not some erotically charged adult atmosphere. The third place I would take exception to that is the idea that the fans that claim to be just into it for entertainment are the same as the unicorns. Because they aren't at all, even within the NijiEN fanbase there is divide between those two groups.

>>21060389
One is gay, the other is actually a girl and the other barely collabs with the rest of tsun.

>>21059127
Absolutely based Migoposter.