/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20807534
>streamer
not a vtuber then

she's not wrong

ya she’s not wrong

Better than corpo Vtubers

>>20807584
>>20807698
Gachikoi don't seriously think they can date their oshi in real life, so she's taking down a strawman.

>>20807578
She was gura's gf

>>20807534
I like Nina Saotome and fallenshadow

>>20807584
Yeah, but somehow as an autist I learned at around age thirteen (again I said I was an autist) that just because something is true doesn’t mean it isn’t stupid as shit to say it anyway.

No one’s mad at 2views for saying this, people get mad at 2views for saying this and then being mad that people don’t watch them. That’s why they can all get necked

>>20807534
Speak for yourself with that projection.

>>20807534
The indie vtuber scene is fucking drama central, the amount of stupid drama between 2views -and even bigger ones- is absolutely staggering.
Corpos are at least able to tardwrangle their talents. (most of the time)

>>20807739
And coming off like an unlikeable asshole at the same time, as well.

ok what are some good drama free indies then

>>20807739
>Gachikoi don't seriously think they can date their oshi in real life
how wrong you are

I don’t even know if I actually want a gf anymore. I just watch chuubas for fun

>>20808095
You dont know anything about this hobby twitchtard

>>20807534
All backstabbers in the west pretty much. The japs seem to protect each other because they have a cohesive sense of identity. Western vtubers just want to get ahead and will shit talk or doxx anyone who gets in the way.

>>20807534
tried watching a 2view earlier. the feel is so different. the streamer greets everyone in chat by name. its really nice

>>20807534
since Vox debut, many other indies thriving with him

>>20807534
I don't.
At least not the Western one.

>>20807584
>>20807698
Doesn't mean it's a good idea to insult your audience and call them a bunch of losers

>>20807942
>crickets

>>20807534
I have a feeling this person doesn't get a lot of views or donations.

>>20807584
>>20807698
she's also going to be 40 with wine, cats, and a barren womb

>>20807534
>2 view biography
>attempts to board the vtubing hype train after Myth's debut
>stuck in 2 view hell for a year
>shills self in /vt/
>discovers /#/, opens thread
>people ITT are calling sub 10ks failures, a number 1000 times more than she's getting
>said failures have 10000 times more subs than she'll ever get, making god knows how much more money from reading superchats in a single stream than she's getting her entire life
>sees Suisei boost a startup shitter to 20x her subs and becomes a ~1k streamer
>ultimate realization: she doesn't speak a lick of JP, she'll never get HoloJP's attention
>ultimate realization: HoloEN is fairly isolated, she'll never get their attention
>ultimate realization: she's boring as fuck, can't T spin and will never get Suisei's attention
>ultimate realization: any random vtuber can incline to the moon with Hololive's blessing
>ultimate realization: she's essentially talentless and has 0 chance to enter Hololive
>ultimate realization: life's "unfair"
>blames Yagoo for not taking her in
>blames Suisei for not visiting her stream
>blames HoloEN for not branching out
>blames # for calling her dream numbers (1k) pathetic
>blames JP fans for watching streams that they don't understand
>blames Holofans on the board for being "loyal" to a single company instead of watching random shitters
>(You) are here
>ultimate realization: her existence is a joke
>necks herself

>>20807534
Feels like unironic projection on her part.

>>20807739
>Gachikoi don't seriously think they can date their oshi in real life
You underestimate my autism.

>>20808095
Gachi only want the infinitesimally small possibility as a motivator/escape. Part of it is the reaffirmation that there are people *like* their oshi that exist and are hypothetically available. If that possibility is taken away then so does the escape and so does the desire to keep watching. Just because a handful of stalkers act otherwise doesn't justify shitting on every lonely guy who just wants to pretend he's not lonely for a few hours.

That of course, is completely unrelated to me, because I *will* marry my oshi and we *will* live happily ever after. I hope you all can be happy for us.

Depending on which vtuber we're talking about they are actually below my standards and my standards are low (be a pleasant friend, be tidy, have some concept of hygiene) I'd say 50% of vtubers fail at least one of these.

>>20808653
>necks herself
Realistically she'll just parasite off the next trend.

>>20807534
Don't you see anon? Since they posted that, any yabs pertaining to future scandals are now invalid and thus, inarguable.

It's basically a save point if you think about it.

>>20807534
she's wrong
I have had a GF, so yes, I have been wanted

>>20807942
lol :)

>>20807942
>ok what are some good drama free indies
*ehem*

Kayfabe is a myth for most EN indies who can't fathom ever separating themselves from their virtual self.

>>20807942
Onolumi is a new indie just doing her own thing by herself.
5k subs, 20~30 ccv.
Plays retro PC games that she never played before.
Asks chat to backseat and to teach her how to play.
Never collabs, doesn't interact with other indies on Twitter, instead just retweeting anime boobs all day.

>watching western whores

>>20809670
What do most anons itt consider keyfab? I always thought it was sticking to the "lore" of the character, which seemed pretty easy unless you're some chuuni mother fucker

>>20809487

>>20809487
Speaking as a mega-autism gachi: She has a point. If I found out my oshi has a boyfriend I'd go have my psychotic breakdown in private. I may legit WANT to marry my oshi but I'd have to be completely insane to expect anything of her for superchats of all things.

Yesss come join us at >>20735026

>>20809487
Relationship stuff aside, I never understood the "streamers don't owe anything to their fans" thing. The fans are the ones who pay for and support their livelihood, without them the streamer would just be busting their ass at a normal job for normal/shit pay like the rest of us. Doesn't it come off as pretty entitled, especially since most of the stresses streamers tend to complain about are relatively minor compared to most normal careers?

>>20807771

>>20807534
>implying I want to date people who blur reality and fiction
That guy is projecting hard isn't he

>>20809735
Lore can go however it wants, even be scrapped but preferably it would evolve alongside the chuuba but that's far beyond most indies, who cannot even form a character to stick with before deciding that they are going to use their platform to bring up unrelated shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the content they create or even politics.

>I don't understand the concept of an anime waifu
What happened?

>>20808095
holy shit a retard. and proud of it too!

>>20809776
Streamers have managed to put themselves on a pedestal because of the money they bring in, they show absolutely no humility or even ounce of respect for the fanbase that allows them to actually be at that point.

>>20809892
So it's just sticking with a character and the basic ask of not being some weird activist type? That's not asking much, can indies really not do that?

>>20810069
No.

>>20809736
Kana's streamer life is dead, so no she wasn't right, in fact right after she said that shit it lead to her downfall on Twitch

>>20807534
indie and small corpo culture is trash. they're all very insecure, constantly bickering amongst eachother and having black/white thinking.

>>20809776
The general misunderstanding is that its correct that a streamer owes """nothing""" to an individual fan because unless that streamer has five fans your individual contribution is worth significantly less than whatever you would ask of them ("I've supported you for years and I don't like this new thing you're doing so you should stop") Though, most content creators who parrot this mentality think that:
>1. it applies to the general audience
which of course is not correct. the entire audience compromises a significant amount of your income and if you treat the audience as a single entity / consumerbase you trade content for support (viewership or financial). If you fail to deliver on content they like, they will no longer support you. This exists on an individual level of course
>2. not owing anything to the audience means that you are entitled to their support
Of course, when you think that you owe nothing to your audience it means that their support is the default state and that anyone taking it away is depriving you of something you need. (fivedollars.mp4)

>>20809738
true but the fags who harass them in chat or on twitter will be used as a way to say that you as a mega-autism gachi are a bad person and should support your oshi even when she talks about her bf on stream despite that going completely against what actually appeals to a gachi >>20808924

>>20809776
Its why its called a donation. You give them money because you appreciate the work they already did.
Its like going to a restaurant and ordering then leaving a tip because you liked the service. That doesnt mean you can now demand things from the staff outside of work or when they arent working.
Of course, if they do not give you a service you like you dont have to tip. Thats the entire point.
Fans do not own the artist. They support them and give expectations. The artist can either fulfill those expectations or deny them (why its called fan service). Denying them should be the norm, while fulfilling them is special.
However with streamers people get uppity and begin thinking just because they like the streamer the streamer should fulfill all of their expectations and doesnt have the right to deny them. Therefor the streamer says "i dont owe you anything"

>>20809776
It's just woman logic. Don't try to understand it.

>>20808924
>Part of it is the reaffirmation that there are people *like* their oshi that exist and are hypothetically available.
This is a big one. They don't just sell the fantasy of themselves being available, they sell the fantasy that there are girls like them all over the world that are also available.

>>20810340
>That doesnt mean you can now demand things from the staff outside of work or when they arent working.
I'm sure glad that the thing i criticize about chuubas are solely the things that they present on their streamer persona.

>>20808653
>can't T spin
kek

>>20810444
If a vtuber presents GFE she deserves to be anti-ed and harrassed. It is literally praying on the weak-minded of society. Its like making fun of a cripple or someone with down syndrome, simply unacceptable.

>>20809487
>takes 100$
>refuses to do the job
Worse than whore.

You know, everything went to shit when youtube enabled superchats and memberships

The lengths some girls will go to to explain why they deserve to have it all at once.

No. If you're taken, just say it right away and set the boundaries immediately so people can choose whether or not to support you. Don't try to act sneaky about it so you can play the "I'm so ronery guys~" card.

>>20809738
No, she does not have a point for she is missing the forest for the trees. I, as the audience, do not wish to know how much her roomate fucks around, how many boyfriends she has, what drugs she likes or what kind of parties she goes to. I really don't. If she is going to doxx herself and it turns out she's fucking around then she has no foot to stand on, any negative attention she gets is fully deserved for breaking the illusion.

She should actually take the words she's saying there to heart and separate the vtuber from the meatspace persona so her private life remains exactly that, a private life. I don't need to know about it as someone who watches her as an entertainer. The advantage of vtubers is that you have a much easier time hiding your real identity and if you're gonna throw that advantage away... well, I don't have much sympathy. Obviously in some cases it's understandable when schizos doxx a vtuber that the anonymity is lost, but even in cases such as that there's a lot that can be done to create a layer of plausible deniability by not being active in the entertainment space as your roomate and by never acknowledging any connection.

Just to be clear, I'm not actually trying to specifically talk about that particular person - all of this broadly applies to all vtubers. The fact that she's talking about it suggests that she's one of the people that doesn't "get" it. All of this is specially important for any vtuber who decides to do GFE, because for them getting doxxed is going to cause massive problems.

>>20809708
Thanks anon

>>20809776
Women want all the benefits with none of the consequences or expectations.

>>20807534
Why do these whores want to take over a hobby made for the lonely and depressed?

>>20809647
Not indie

>>20808653
imagine watching someone who cant even t spin as good as suisei

>>20807534
some are pretty based.

I think outside of generals, the only time EN indies are brought up is because of some type of drama.

>>20807942
Ninaninin.
Amazing singer, great entertainer. S Tier voice. Ambigously a christmas cake or a hag.

>>20808095
go back

>>20810274
You might mean "comprises"

>>20810755
to me it's more like ramps for wheelchairs and special schools for retards, or onions milk for kids with autism. it's just accomodation. because these people need a girlfriend substitute that their environment couldn't provide. blame the environment that these people became thirsty of it. don't blame the unmalicious streamers

Indies don't have festivals like holofes

You know my answer

>>20815273
4chan censors *that* milk with "onions" lol

>>20814994
yeah i did, I need to proofread my posts

>>20815456
it's ok, I still got it bro

You wouldn't have issues with gachikoi if you don't try and farm them while be8ng in a relationship
It's really that simple. You don't even have to make it as complicated as "hide it". Just be literally truthful and don't farm gachis while in a relationship.

Any yabs from failing this are on you. You made it harder for yourself than it needs to be. The easiest path is literally yab proof.

>>20813409
based

western women are a pox

>>20807942
Does pikamee count?

>>20807771
This desu, especially since she purposefully comes off as an asshole here

>>20807534
JP ones are great. Western ones are, generally speaking, utter shit. Acting so entitled despite being a literal who and thinking they're too good for their fans. Doesn't help that most of them are just bandwagoning off of a trend, not knowing anything about vtubing and still manage to have the audacity to voice their shitty opinion.

>>20807534
I hate vtubers like this so much, they spend their time shittalking every possible audience as if they are already some hot shit in the market, I'm not saying you need to be a vtuber that appeals to gachis but stop giving such a bully aura Jesas

>>20808602
Is it insulting to point out facts? Maybe someone points a fact about you and you don't like it but is it necessarily 'insulting'?