/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it not if you dont suck

>>20788019
Because

Because it became the new "cashgrab" back when holoEN first started and everyone tried to join in.

If you actually did it back when it was unpopular, you more than likely would have been recruited to some vtuber agency by now.

it is a struggle when you have no personality

>>20788019
ask /asp/, maybe they know your struggle

>>20788019
1. Oversaturation of the market = viewers are spoiled for choice and you need to do something new and exciting to stand out.
2. Growing your viewer base is hard because twitch is better for smaller indie streams but it has no discovery algorithm like youtube, where as where youtube has a better discovery algorithm but is shit for smaller streamers to gain traction
3. Most people would rather watch medium to large corpo chuubas because they think being a corpo = better quality

>>20788019
Because they feel entitled

Literally just be a whore. If you're running out of buzz just be a whore. It's so fucking easy.

>>20788320
Youtube takes a long time to grow but when you blow up, the incline is fast.

>>20788019
>supremely oversaturated market
>focal point is largely games, which most lack skill in, and can be droll to watch in general
>something us required to supplant this
>it’s either be a charismatic draw or be attractive/cute without/or without an applicable niche
>algorithm manipulation abounds thus one must also play the game to gain outreach
>Twitch is filled with ten-second attention spans
Hobby > Career until your turn it into one, at which point, you need a new hobby.

>>20788019
Too many "yes queen go touch some grass" vtubers these days instead of girls that will love bomb their audiences, no wonder most people leave after debuts

what global market isnt a struggle?

>>20788019
1. Market saturation
Too many people joining in following trends and FOTM instead of making up their own niche and trendset. Nobody wants another Apexcraft. Meanwhile on twitch too many of them do the same live react
2. Vtuber minus the tuber
EVERYTHING IS A STREAM
Recall back to the early days of Kizuna and Kaguya. They werent called virtual youtubers for nothing. They do youtubing with a virtual persona. Not everything is a stream on youtube. Short videos, experimental media, MVs, etc. People dont have the free time to stay for a 4 hours livestream. Going back to a 20 minute edited letsplay wouod have the same impact. No community interactions? Fuck you. Look at non-streaming youtubers, the thousands of them. They have a loyal informed community even without dealing with their nonsense all the time.
In fact, knowing some chuuba are naive and menhera, doing content without audience interaction is for the best.
3. Discipline
The most important cornerstone. JP chuubas treat the platform as an interactive medium. Roleplay a character or at least their gimmick, stick true to your morals, do not engage in irl shenanigans. Which is why when given a choice between westies and a mumbling JP amateur you'd go for the latter. Hell even the weird fetishy, razor in the cunny, ryona vtubers /meat/ watches have more discipline and morals than the average vshojo.
Whats the point of becoming a VIRTUAL entertainer if you keep bringing irl issues and politics? It's not about immersion, it's about discipline.
You know why westies twitch whoretubers get the most yabs? It's because they have no discipline. No self virtue. No morals. The average westerner cares more about individualism than to stick with the rules.

>>20788019
>new art
>new model
>new streams
>new content
if after doing all of that, none of those things can keep your audience engaged, the problem is YOU

>>20794968
Say what you want about Hololive but they managed to implant jp discipline into the EN and ID girls. Results may vary (ie Mori and Ollie) but it works. That plus most of the EN and ID girls are people who are genuine jp-philes that are accustomed to JP culture and its ethics.
Gura would commit sudoku if she spills a single irl yab, Kiara has been living in Japan, Indonesia is an asian country with strict religious and civil culture so they have discipline. The root of the problem is the western culture having a hateboner for rules, religion, ethics.

>>20795728
Hopefully they can implant some of that discipline into Sana. It's one excuse after another with her to be a lazy western whore.

>>20796070
Sana is lazy yes but deny it or not she is disciplined. Not in work output, but in keeping it to herself. No complaints, debunk streams, her roommate is quiet about it.
A nijimale would have been tweeting nonstop with cryptic messages in this situation

>>20788098
LITERALLY me

>>20795059
That was exactly what I thought when I saw the OP on twitter today. Like, way to tell me yourself that you're too boring to get an audience to stick around

The order of priorities in the OP image is the problem. A LOT of people in every creative field fall into the money pit tech trap instead of polishing their core competencies. It's easy to do because buying gear gets you an immediate measurable quality increase for your product... Only problem is it doesn't actually increase your level of skill, just your production.
What is streaming? Its sitting down in front of a microphone and monologuing for a few hours. Get good at that and worry about gimmicks later.

You dont even have to stream if you want to be a vtuber
Just do basic youtubing but with a layer of kayfabe and roleplay

>market saturation
>market saturation
>market saturation
Streamers and 'Tubers have been a thing for fucking ages and new ones still blow up all the damn time. There is no oversaturation, you just need to be genuinely entertaining and love making people laugh, literally all the things you need to succeed naturally come to you if you have both of those and properly advertise yourself you back-of-the-class dumbasses. Even that little S dude who was just a png was doing good before his menhera breakdown. Have charisma.

>>20788019
The new ones rely too much on model and gimmick and tend to forget that actual talent + charisma are needed to keep a constant flow of viewers
Also market saturation

>>20788019
Too many people on the industry already.

>>20798679
>>20798781
>/vt/fags talking as if they know anything
you've always been wrong and will continue to always be wrong

>>20798826
>>20797689
Nigger we are literally the audience of course we know what we want

>>20799090
You are so delusional, anon. /vt/ is a very small fraction of the vtuber audience.

>>20799090
Dipshit my whole point was that market saturation hasn't nearly been reached yet, not that you don't want people with charisma or something. That other anon you quoted was only half retarded, too.

>>20788019
>2views
Ready to be groomed.

>>20794968
>Recall back to the early days of Kizuna and Kaguya. They werent called virtual youtubers for nothing. They do youtubing with a virtual persona.

Those were the good old days where mirai akari was my "oshi". I watched her uploads without understanding shit and had to wait days for official english subs.

>>20788019
you gotta get impregnated on stream to keep your audience

>>20798826
keep doing whatever you want and stay in 2 view zone 4ever lol

>>20788019
Because VTuber content has started to stagnate already. It will take something completely new and different to get more people interested again.
Maybe something like western cartoon-styled VTuber groups put together by those cartoon TV channels. A lot of their voice actors and artists have already become YouTubers.

>>20788320
>3. Most people would rather watch medium to large corpo chuubas because they think being a corpo = better quality

Isn't this not true given a good amount of those corporate peeps had their own followings in past incarnations which just migrated and word of mouth bolstered them?

>>20800998
Not all quality chuubas are corpo, but you have a much better chance of finding someone reasonably talented and entertaining by throwing a dartboard at the 11 holoEns or whatever instead of at a dartboard containing 23,000 random indies. Hololive is solving a curating and discovery problem (along with the other problems it solves like providing an ecosystem of collab partners and events for your new oshi to bounce off of)

>>20796409
>Nijimale
Now you're just pulling pure fucking speculation out of your ass, you fucking tribal nigger.

>>20788098
Used to be me, when i was younger, now i haven't seen the sunlight in 7 years.

>>20800998
Cause and effect anon
Indies with a record of attracting viewers are already in the top quintile of applicants.

Corporate vtubers by and large passed an audition, which means there's already *someone* that thought they were better than 100+ other applicants.

(have *you* watched 100 different vtubers?)

the "join a popular clique" step is missing

So, should a newcomer just give up and not waste their time? Realistically speaking.
I try to be better, but by the time I get better, the bar just goes up further

>>20802108
For some serious advice? Consider starting up a hobby or building a portifolio if your goal is wanting to go corpo, don't think it will pay your bills the moment you start or some months later.
Also remember that while you might not get back what's worth the effort, you can be sure you will never get more than what you put into it. So you either keep trying your best or just assume you will fail.

>>20788320
I watch corpos because being in a stream that only like 5 other people are watching is depressing as fuck.

>>20801451
Yeah, I don’t think people get it. I only watch corpos and large indies because I don’t get recs from IRL people, I get them from strangers /here/. If I’m gonna trust your word, it’s because I know you’re one of 10,000 fans of this girl, not because you’re one of 50 fans. Because 50 people can get together because they all like something really fucking weird. 10,000 getting together and saying they like someone, that vtuber is likely to be kind of approachable to an “average” vtuber fan

>>20807191
And of course, all that other stuff about paradox of choice and stuff. Point is, I have better things to do with my time than find the one 2view diamond in the rough who’s good. And even if they are good, their tech is probably scuffed af, and to me, that’s really important.

I don’t see any point in being an “early fan” of a 2view who gets big. Why waste the time required to go through all the duds? I can just wait for YouTube to let me know who’s already been vetted and approved by other viewers and catch someone with a bit of promise at 20 or 30k.

>>20800998
>>20801734
theres 2 recent examples of huge chunks of followings migrating i.e. mikeneko and kson but thats because their previous incarnations produce similar content and have been suddenly cut abruptly with a dedicated active following.

there are also two instances where its not i.e. gura and mumei. the former had almost a million upon debuting while the latter had over a million during her debut. Keep in mind a lot of these are people following because of their music/meme content and not for livestreaming also their fanbase isnt as active and is full of dead subs. But this proves their tremendous talent to appeal to a lot of people.However, their respective growths arent the same with gura reaching a milion in over a month due to the hype of holoEN gen1 while mumei's was slower as council was not that hype. They both may be very talented but they are still subject to various external factors.

>>20799375
>and had to wait days for official english subs.
Man, community subbing was so fucking good back then.
We had ENTIRE STREAMS, several hours long, completely and fully subbed in English (and all kind of languages too).
I will probably never understand why Youtube removed that feature, what a shame.

>>20809182
Youtube's been removing features ever since google got its claws on it. Remember when videos would buffer in full instead of tiny annoying bits?

>>20788098
This is a perfectly understandable reaction when many people will complement you sarcastically, and you'll never be sure if you can't detect some sort of tell. Moreso for those people who got that treatment a lot growing up.

>>20788019
Hololive and Nijisanji offer something akin to a universe. They have a common thread that binds them all together, and makes it fun to learn all the intracies of relationships between each other and watch character/story arcs. Which is what I believe people are actually into, but don't express outwardly

I 100% believe Hololive is more popular because it sells this image more clearly . A lot more clearer rules. Very concrete goals. Straightforward path. Coco was compelling because of how she pushes these rules, without the rules, most people lost interest. "Hololive is guaranteed success, you can be talentless and make it in Hololive" maybe it's true but that's missing the point, are you more entertaining than Hololive is what you should be thinking. There's a million streamers, just because you stream with a 2D body doesn't mean you're competing in a different space

>>20795059
>>20796547
I think the point is that a lot of indies push out flashy but meaningless garbage like new art and models instead of focusing on whats actually important which is content, so by the time they get around to doing some actual fucking vtubing, they have no fans anymore.

>>20788019
>new art
wont retain viewers
>new model
wont retain viewers
>new streams
wont retain viewers
>new content
wont retain viewers

>>20788019
Literally all entertainment fields require a ton of work and a ton of luck. The only reason anyone thinks any different about vtubing is that it's only really been around for a few years. In a decade everyone will know what a clusterfuck it is.

>>20788019
As >>20810037 said, no matter what, new content and being actually entertaining should always be your TOP priority.
You may have the fanciest model and the craziest design, if you're boring to death, then you're not going anywhere.
Sure, it helps with the initial boost and you'll have more people checking out your stream out of curiosity, but they definitely won't stay if there's nothing interesting going on.
There's a reason you have popular vtubers that are still around, even though their models are extremely generic / weird / simplistic...
Hell, even beyond vtubing, you have many extremely popular streamers that aren't using any facecam or anything on stream, using only their voice to carry themselves.

>>20810121
>>new streams
>wont retain viewers
>>new content
>wont retain viewers
buddy...

>>20788098
This happened to me last week inside the uni library.
Some girl who I haven't met before kept staring at my shoes while I'm playing mobage.
Then when I was about to leave, she dashed to me and said "hey, i like your shoes!".
Thing is, there's a stain visible to her eyes so I know that she's just trying to be an asshole.
I just said "thanks" then gtfo'd.
Fucking bitch.

>>20810250
And for the love of God try to at least be different from the ocean of vtubers that are around.
There's more than enough "UwU wholesome but lood" vtubers already.
If you have some sort of skill in art, music, video editing, or even something as simple as an interest in something unusual : Use it.

>>20788320
>>20788494
>>20794968
What about collabs? I think one of the reasons that many anons don't watch kson is because they miss the interactions between her and her friends. Corporations make it easier to interact with other vtubers and create the illusion of a family

>>20794968
yea you can thank nippleniggers for destroying the fad

>doesn't roleplay
>is just a streamer with a moving png

>>20788019
Consistency matters the most.

>>20788019
Practice how to be ""fun"" in stream and try to wait for upcoming popular games to play with already existing fanbase.

idk. Most indies I know either was popular already, get shilled /here/ or was once popular.

>>20810753
>Therapist talking about doing things I like to make new friends, just go out and chat with people with common interest
>Explain I usually don't want to be bothered when doing something, usually focused on my current activity
>She suggests yoga because it's relaxing
>Freak out at her for suggesting I just start a convo with people doing yoga, I'm so surprised she'd suggest I just chat people up during a work out, completely missing the way this goes normally
....
>She apologizes next week saying she realized yoga probably isn't the best place to meet new people

>>20788019
just be better

>>20810845
>There's more than enough "UwU wholesome but lood" vtubers already.
Or the 'FUCK WEEBS I HATE MY FANS TOUCH GRASS SEX SEX SEX' cynics all over twitch

>>20813051
It's so weird that we even have those people in a hobby with Japanese origins...

>>20795059
IRyS is the perfect case study for this. We can all agree that she was the most mismanaged vtuber in hololive. From her design to her songs, the hololive brand only made sure that her name will not be lost to the void.Yet despite that she has a very slow growth and stable viewer base. A chuuba's design should only be the hook to make people look at you, after that, it all on you.

>>20788498
Correct.

>>20798679
If market saturation was the reason for so many 2view failures, no one would pay for Netflix, video games, books, cars, phones, shoes.

>>20794968
>Recall back to the early days of Kizuna and Kaguya.

>>20816352
Having a thousand failed 2 views doesn't make people /not/ spend money on gura, mouse,etc. The top dogs rarely feel the issues other than the big competition. It's the small ones that suffer the most.
>>20788019
It is not, just be a cute, charismatic girl. You *are* a cute charismatic girl, right? You wouldn't be a retard that's trying to get into this train without having the bare minimum, RIGHT?

>>20816352
Not sure what you’re implying. You mean that these areas have garbage too, but still get bought?

>>20812400
>therapist
>she

>>20815130
ikr fr fr sheeeesh XD

>>20788019
This is all meaningless. First set the mindset when you go into this industry
>Do you want success or just as a hobby to channel your autismo? This is important.
In the first case, doing reps and research what makes the popular ones popular is important. From voices, contents, jokes, interactions, etc. Figure all those out and design your own ideal "self" that you are confident to keep up with.
In the later case, welp, just do whatev you want and gather the like-minded people that share the same niche as you.
>second, do your kayfabe ffs!
That's the whole fucking point of being a vtuber. You can talk about irl stuff BUT keep it as vague and bare minimum as possible. Doesnt matter even if you are a convert, take norio as an example and separate yourself from your chuuba self. Dont bring any irl bullshit into character unless that's part of your schtick.
>Consistency and dicplines
Basically point 3 here >>20794968
>Knows how to make connection but DO NOT leech
This is simple. You can collab with bigger chuuba/group and make use of your connection to incline. There's nothing wrong with it as it is the core of entertainment industry.
BUT DO NOT EVER leech on them. And by leeching do not stick on whatever they do ESPECIALLY during yabs. Yes, showing support is okay if they ever get into some yabs, but do it privately. DO NOT jump head first into it no matter who's right or wrong. Just dont get involved, show the necessary support in private, and go on with your life. If really needed to, just give out some vague comments and little supportive words on stream but no more. Learn from gura, dont be mori or vshojo and many wvt during the nuxyabs.

>>20788019
>vtubing to seek validation
ngmi

>>20810753
anon...

>>20815130
LEECHES AND BANDWAGONNERS DESERVE THE ROPE!!
DEATH TO VSHOJO!
DEATH TO SLUT TUBERS!
DEATH TO TWITCH!
EIA EIA ALALA!!

That happens to musicians, comedians, artists, game devs...

That op just proves that no matter how much money you pump into your persona its meaningless if you arent entertaining and fun to watch

>>20802108
No. If you really want something in life you need to rise to the occasion and do everything you can to make it happen, no matter what that is.
No one in any of the vtuber corporations you might be familiar with got there by seeing the competition and buckling to it before they even truly started.

>>20788098
Never happened
Also
>Treat her like a random person: you don't get the signs
>Treat her like someone hitting on you: she was just acting friendly
You just never win

>>20819281
women love playing stupid games it's the only way they can have power over men
the only solution is to become prison gay

>>20819281
>>20819338
Have either of you considered that you might just be regular gay

>>20819439
I only masturbate to feminine characters
Masculine traits are off-putting

>>20819439
No if I were gay I'd just fuck boys instead of being angry at women
I'd also be required to kill myself due to faggots being the ruination of society

>>20788019
"Why is creating conteng such a struggle" is a question that can be ask about literally any type of artist, from Streamers all the way up to painters, it is not a Vtuber exclusive problem

>>20819557
You at least sound extremely gay in a pejorative sense
>>20819517
That is a very verbose and specifically-worded response

>>20819733
>That is a very verbose and specifically-worded response
It's just right.

>>20819733
I'll take gay in a pejorative sense over gay in a literal sense
I would literally rather die a virgin than go gay, I'll take cunny or nothing at all

>>20788019
The entertainment biz is brutally competitive. But if you can be a pure virgin waifu with a cute voice and a sexy model who's a talented gamer, comedian, singer, dancer, ASMRtist, is creative and unique, and is wonderfully kind to her viewers with a lot of interaction, then you can probably make it.

>>20817117
Like 75% of therapists are women in the U.S. Finding a male therapist with open timeslots is a bitch.

>>20820866
>be me
>finally talk to male therapist after 6 months on a waiting list
>explain in detail my complete lack of ambition, suicidal thoughts, generalised anger and so on
>he sits and listens and takes notes for 45 mins
>say I reckon CBT could help me (cognitive behavioural therapy though cock and ball torture might help too)
>he says, verbatim, "I think you have some minor anger management problems, I don't think you need therapy, CBT or any real help. I would recommend you install an app called STOPP with two Ps, it will help you monitor your angry outbursts"
>argue the point that I have unironically attempted suicide through crashing a work van into a pole at 50mph
>"no I don't think that was a suicide attemp"
>bruh wat
>$90 and an hour of my time wasted
>treat /vt/ as my therapist instead, spread rrats, cause strife
>feel better than I have in years

>>20821075
This really wanna make me look for help with my mental problems...

>>20821233
>Makes me wanna
Yeah, those mental problems too.

>>20821233
hope you have better luck than I do my friend, I am personally waiting for my elderly parents to die so I can top myself guilt free

>>20821075
>treat /vt/ as my therapist instead, spread rrats, cause strife
>feel better than I have in years
That's probably the happiest way this could end, but all the same I think there are probably healthier outlets for your anger than spreading rats.
Therapy really does suck, though. It can often be a poor replacement for what we are supposed to get through our families and our chosen families.
Glad you're not feeling suicidal any more these days, anon.

>>20821304
>Glad you're not feeling suicidal any more these days, anon.
Welp, nevermind.

>>20821315
Wouldn't say I'm not feeling suicidal just that it's only invasive when I'm in bed or the shower, and I can usually get on with my day
I used to sit in the work van for most of my shift thinking about the best places to ram it off the road, I figured that a 2019 Mercedes Sprinter was probably too safe to actually kill me in anything short of a head on collision with a semi and it turns out I was right.
If I go that route again I'll probably ramp the van off the end of the pier into the harbour, which should result in my drowning, though that seems a really shit way to go. I'd rather it was quick but certain doom has an appeal that just can't be denied.

>>20821075
My therapist took 100 bucks a sesh and all it amounted to was that I should exercise more and sleep 8 hours a day. Oh, and that I should try to accept living with my failures.

>>20821811
man I wish I could sleep, I've slept probably 3 hours in the last week

>>20821811
did you try mdma

>>20821075
Honestly, my autistic 2view NEET oshi did more for my mental health than any therapist I've ever had did.

>>20788019
>new content
you fool
you absolute idiot

>>20821811
>all it amounted to was that I should exercise more and sleep 8 hours a day.
Well, did you commit to it?

>>20788131
most of the popular en vtubers i remember from before holoen are irrelevant now - mira pink, the french one called deat, etc. you used to be able to find them on the vtuber wiki when it first started but now they're all still 2view and i cant remember their names. practically none of the kizuna era en vtubers actually made it, they almost all quit

>>20788098
I saw this comic in the /co/ anti-incel comic thread.

>>20820116
>>20819733
Reminder that all gay men are virgins because buttsex doesn't count.

>>20822478
I've always taken Leviticus 18:22 to be a tongue in cheek remark about how if you're gay you have to use the back door instead of the front door

>>20821075
>cock and ball torture
I kept reading from here.

>>20810753
/vt/ isn't your blog, anon
post it on twitter like everyone else

>>20788098
The more libertine and sex obsessed society becomes, the more people become loveless virgins. Really makes you think.

>>20822786
The closer people are physically, the further they are emotionally
sex is more available than ever but no one has any love in their lives

>>20821487
You got a garage?
Park in an enclosed space, no ventilation, leave the car running.
Make sure no knows to look/find you (can't do this if you're living with roomates/family).
You fall asleep and you will not wake up.

>>20822940
Oh I know that trick, I have a garage but I'd rather not top myself while my parents still live.
The crash was a moment of weakness, but despite life being pretty fucking miserable I'd not wish the death of a child on my parents, I'll hang back until they're peacefully passed on before I top myself.

>>20821863
Take a vacation, man. Get that sleep under wraps.
>>20821880
No. Maybe I should, once the clubs open, just for the experience
>>20822121
Yeah, but that didn’t help that much
What did help was journaling though.
Doing a diary is a)free and b)works

>>20788019
It's literally the same as streaming, but as a random cartoon character. If you are just another shit streamer adding a jpg from "How to Draw Manga" isn't going to make you any better.

>>20788019
It only is if you a) have unrealistic expectations or b) get the wrong kind of attention and get harassed. Sucks if you get hit by the latter, but you only have yourself to blame for the former. Do it for the passion of a project or an idea and do it for yourself. If you're only in it for quick fame and money you can go fuck yourself because that will not work.

>>20823163
I literally can't sleep anon, I go to bed at 12pm and toss and turn for 6 hours then get back up for work, lucky if I sleep 40 mins
Been like this for months and months, I'm like the walking dead

>>20823163
mdma assisted therapy is becoming a thing. works well from what i've heard. it helped my brother out

>>20823485
I heard going to a testicular cancer support group and crying into fat man’s titties helps with that.

>>20788019
It's only a struggle if you didn't get in to a decent company. Fuck your art, fuck your $5k model, fuck your content. It's all about the brand.

>>20823610
I'll give it a go anon thanks, big hairy milkers might be just what I need

>>20821075
>I don't have anger management problems
>I spread rrats and cause strife on internet forums to relieve myself
Bruh.

>>20823872
Ngl companies were too fast to catch the whole vtuber industry. For putting another entertainment industry as example, Youtubers had some years of free state to establish themselves until machinima came. Nowadays the only market where indies would grow good is in the ones where corpos haven't put their branches like it's happening with spics where their biggest chuubas are +1M subs

>>20824058
I'd say my anger is well managed, I generate (you)s by posting inflammatory comments about Mori Callipoe

>>20824166
I'm saying your therapist had a good point and was worth the money. However, you're managing it in a fairly non destructive way I'd say and if it makes you happy, I won't tell you to stop.

>>20823887
Go for it, just don’t get into soap making.

>>20788320
>you need to do something new and exciting to stand out
Do you guys think that a "Shota Vtuber" would be something "new" and interesting? The only shota vtuber i know is Tatamaru, Sana's male png form was really liked by everyone so i assume anyone who streams more than Tatamaru with a Shota model would stand out

>>20788098
>women cold approaching
This person has no idea what being an average or below man is like.

>>20821304
>>20823040
People who refer to suicide as "topping yourself" are the same people who call their video game characters "toons".

>>20824844
Bro I'm 33 of course I'm using outdated slang
I bet you don't even remember the masterpiece that was Toon Town, and they were Toons

>>20824629
Same problems as lolitubers I presume

>>20788019
Because you need to get people addicted to the model and have the model and how the model interacts with the game be the content.

The reactions and aesthetics need to entice the viewers and create a parasocial relationship with them that they want to look after it. Western wise Veibei has the dommy persona that her Vtuber is designed around, Ironmouse is a goth girl that people watch for goth girl, Melody has the slut persona which her avatar emphasises. So people tune into them to see that content

>>20825027
What about a sci-fi horror monster girl ala necromorph from dead space? Normal """""""""horror""""""""" girls are kind of boring.

>>20822786
which is precisely the reason why westerners obsession towards sex is fucking disgusting. Save that shit for the guy you want to marry. Don't be a fucking slut/manwhore.

>>20825007
My little brother liked it.

>>20825099
I don't think anyone wants the vore crowd

>>20825159
desu I was probably a little older than the target audience but I still greatly enjoyed it

>>20825170
Being cut up and turned into a monster isn't vore though

>>20825302
My mistake.

Turn it into a seemingly sexy disfigured woman and have it finger or fist it's own wounds and you have yourself a sell, but you'll have to do a lot of pleasure noises and play with your own body alot along with being very predatory

>>20825378
I can dig that. I've always been on the lookout for model makers/artists that do horror.

>>20825018
What is the problem with them? The only lolis i know are from Hololive and Nijisanji

>>20788019
>Why is it such a struggle to be a Vtuber?
HELLO.
ASPIRING VIDEO ESSAYIST (by which I mean I burnt out while writing video 1)
IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A PERSONALITY, A UNIQUE SET OF INTERESTS AND CONVICTIONS THAT SET YOU APART FROM ALL THE REST.
TRY FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE IN SOMETIME.

>>20802108
Do you actually enjoy streaming and entertaining an online audience? If you do then keep doing it. If you're just doing this because you think it'll make you rich and famous then just drop it and go to /biz/ or something, because this is not how you get rich

>>20825834
They are considered to be problematic in the west. Corpos have it easier

>>20825834
I know of Fallenshadow and she's really the only Vtuber I semi keep up with (along with vividlyvivi but she's not loli she's borderline hag)

>>20788019
>check twitter of the vtube rposting this.
>Has 60k+ followers.
I don't think she has the right to post that pic.

>>20826090
Vivi is a whore cause she has a public bf, fuck off with that

>>20788019

It's a fundamentally easy job that was also niche, quickly growing, and profitable. This does not last for very long and it quickly becomes oversaturated and as difficult as any other more established role to rise up in.

>>20788098
HE LITERALLY ME FRFR ON GOD

>muh oversaturation
yeah, I'm sure that such problem doesn't exists for videogames, movies, music, artists, IRL streamers, youtubers. etc.

Totally the only issue here, yep.

>>20788098
i hate this image

>>20828701
the problems do exist for those mediums too, retardchama.

>>20788098
and when you say thanks, suddenly other women around you start laughing and making fun of you because they were forcing their friend to say something nice to the disgusting nerd and you are a retard for thinking anyone would compliment someone like you.
Definitely not speaking from experience.

>>20829064
When I was 15 I had a girl run up to me and compliment my shoes (cheap trainers)
I said thank you, she then screamed at the top of her lungs PERVERT and slapped my glasses off my face
And women wonder why there's so many bitter distrusting men

>>20788019
A lot of people simply do not have charisma, let alone manage to be entertaining, there's a reason we put the people that do on such high pedestal. I love my friends and I dream of being a streamer too, but just from my own play sessions: we don't talk a lot, joke a bit but not much, have a lot of dead air, etc. It's just not something everyone can manage to be good at, it's a skill and talent like most things.

>>20826125
What's her CCV like? I follow an artist who can easily pull thousands, even tens of thousands of likes on all her art but her vtubing career has been depressing; she struggles to get past 20 viewers. Even Mel's mama, Ayamy, has tons of followers and even with schedules, pandering, being pretty much great at everything she does and being a Holomama all barely help her at all.

>>20828701
Retard remember when EVERY studio wanted to do hero shooters? And then after that everyone wanted to do battle royale??

>>20829272
It happened to me multiple times. Every time I thought they were just being nice but they were trying to have fun by humiliating me. Women are fucking evil. If a woman approaches you, she's either trying to scam you or hurt you. Never trust them.

>>20829064
>>20829272
you guys haven't gone outside regularly since high school, have you

>>20829735
It happened in college too, I don't go outside anymore

>>20829735
>its always your fault :)
why are normalfags so annoying?

>>20828701
nigger did you forget what happened to the survival crafting genre? Or the battle royale genre? Or before all that the "drab brown military shooter" genre?

>>20829064
I dunno anon, if you say thanks they will always look worse than you in that situation but if you sperg at them or act rude, they will act as if their shit attitude is justified. Plus, on the off-chance that the person complimenting you actually means it, if you act like a shit you just lost a chance to make a friend.

Just be thankful and indifferent to these soft of interactions and if you read legit interest in the person's actions, you can give him/her more time of the day.

>>20829735
I had a girl accuse me of groping her in a pub not 6 months ago. I'm in my 30s now, normalfags will never understand how petty women can be towards subaverage males
Bitch was ugly too, if I was gonna commit sexual assault I'd do it on someone worth gong down for

>>20830078
They're not just being sarcastic to make fun of you though. They want you to act nice, then make fun of you for thinking you actually thought anyone would compliment someone like you.
I still act nice to people when I have to interact with them, I don't want to hurt their emotions, but I avoid people whenever I can.

>>20828767
>>20829343
And what I'm getting from these responses is something akin to "It's oversaturated, so it can't be helped".
The implication is that you will find oversaturation everywhere, but when it becomes an issue is when you do the exact same thing as another one and act surprised when it doesn't works.
Let's say VT-Anon over here wants to become an Apex streamer: there are currently 83.6K people streaming that game, so what will make you different from them and not another bland-ass streamer with no charm nor skill? In other words, what are you offering (me) to invest my time into watching you? Some anons up there went a bit deeper like >>20794968

>>20829850
>>20830123
You might not believe this but people can smell a shitty attitude and an ugly personality from a mile away and will respond to you in kind. If you carry around this us vs. them mentality with you everywhere you go, people are bound to notice.
You can become average. If you're content to call yourself subaverage and not do jack shit about it, I'm afraid that really is on you.

>>20794968
>EVERYTHING IS A STREAM
Remember when there was no streaming on youtube? Before Twitch took off? When the max video length was 10 minutes? I miss those days. I wish there were chuubas that had that style of content. The only ones that come close are the stream highlight videos from Vshojos and some big indies.

>>20802108
My two cents is that you should do it as a hobby and if you like streaming. When I watch a streamer it's pretty obvious when they are doing it because they like doing it or because they feel like they are forced. Mood is really important too, I'm trying to have a good time here and it's honestly really easy to spot when someone is feeling down.

Stop being a yuribaiting faggot and I might watch

There's something kinda poetic about how this thread about western vtubers devolved into a screeching session from some genuine incels.

>>20794968
>2. Vtuber minus the tuber
EVERYTHING IS A STREAM
Recall back to the early days of Kizuna and Kaguya. They werent called virtual youtubers for nothing. They do youtubing with a virtual persona. Not everything is a stream on youtube. Short videos, experimental media, MVs, etc. People dont have the free time to stay for a 4 hours livestream. Going back to a 20 minute edited letsplay wouod have the same impact. No community interactions? Fuck you. Look at non-streaming youtubers, the thousands of them. They have a loyal informed community even without dealing with their nonsense all the time.
I’ve been trying to get into vtubers for a while now but none of them (corpo or indie) ever appealed to me for more than a day
I eventually realized that I fucking hate streams
I hate how there’s always like a hour of dead air before the stream actually starts where the Vtuber just reads simp posts one after another.
The viewer interaction means nothing to me. Hell “interaction” is generous when all you’re doing is writing a message that the Vtuber can always choose to ignore. To me all the chat amounts to is the TV studio audience that tells you when something “epic” happened that you need to react to
Then you sift through a longass boring stream where all the entertaining bits last only like 5 minutes long so that clipniggers can get their next video
Everyone on this board always seems to be looking for a Vtuber to fall in love with. Meanwhile I just want let’s plays (like SBFP before they disbanded) with a cute anime girl as flavoring

>>20788019
Autism

>>20788498
Any recommends for this.

>>20788019
What we don't see in this picture is her actual fans enjoying her stream out of frame, but as usual with these western trendhoppers they only focus on the negative aspect of the feedback they recieve.

>>20794968
>>20831177
>>20799375
I really miss the short edited videos.
I've learned to love the streams, but it's still a bit too much of a time commitment for me.

90% of Vtubers seem to think that model > entertainment. If I see a Vtuber and she has big tits I'm out. I just know from the start that she likely has no entertainment value, her model is just there to draw in the "mommy"-faggots

>>20811205
he's clearly talking about JP vs EN here, and I agree with him as 99% of EN never could hold some acting without letting the feeling they're cringing hard through. Even some JPs who suck at acting don't give this same impression, they just sound awkward for other reasons.

>>20788019
remember when people made videos because they want to express themselves and not because they want to copy someone else?

>>20834964
I hate to say it, but for general popularity design/model quality/rigging are probably the biggest factor. Check out the vtuber category on twitch & sort by low viewership then sort by high. There are a shitload of 0views out there and 95%+ of them look like shit, while the opposite holds true for popular vtubers. It's not hard to just do what Veibae does and just talk about sex & being horny. Dump $5k on a good model/rigging, be a woman, and be exaggeratedly horny and you can blow up with any amount of promotion, just look at Shylily

>>20788019
>new content
Oh yeah, what IS that content?

>>20838637
I found the vtuber that made that post, she doesn't really play Fotm stuff, just mini golf and online TCG, maybe that's why she isn't triving as she thinks she should.

>>20816832
Yes but it's also possible for indies to succeed, take stardew valley for example.

>>20830700
>If you put in enormous effort you might be a 5/10
Nah I'll be the absolute dregs of society, at least as an outcast I'm noticed, even in a negative light
The only thing worse than being reviled is being forgotten

>>20837375
The ones with the lowest amount of views either aren't saying anything, are babiniku/men or, rarely, have a genuinely shit model. While there is truth in a model drawing in people, of course a certain amount of entertainment value is needed. My standards for that might just differ from the average simp. Yes, the method you described works but it's also what I mean by "no entertainment value". Get a model, usually big tits, and choose any type of personality (like overly horny) that will attract a bunch of normies and simps to throw money at you. The model draws horny simps in initially, then comes the rest. I'd much rather have a genuinely good model that is backed up by real personality though, thus me avoiding those that just go for oversexualized models

>>20840197
Absolutely pathetic. I hope you die young.

>>20840352
Probably best to acknowledge that most people's policy on the models are the same:
A good model is necessary, but not sufficient, for me to give a shit.
The better the model, the more likely I am to watch you...until it reaches the point where it seems too good, like you put in wayyyy too much money into this for a 3view or whatever. Then it becomes reasonable to wonder if you're just going for easy GFE bait.

>>20840197
lol i feel like it's always entry level software engineers who say this kind of main character syndrome edgy shit

>>20839642
>The only thing worse than being reviled is being forgotten
That just seems like a excuse to be lazy and neglect self-improvement but it's your life so feel free to ruin it. Just remember, if you ever feel like ending it all, I just want to tell you to not forget to livestream it for everybody's enjoyment.

>>20840197
This is seriously one of the most pathetic things I've ever read on this website.

>>20802108
Invent something new, keep throwing shit at the wall until something stick.

>Daydream being a vtuber
>And then start to think the overall shit and baggage that comes with:
>-Nobody fucking cares about male characters
>-If I for some miracle was part of a group I would have to struggle to keep tabs on numbers and deliveries of content, with the constant fear to not be shot down
>-If I try being a solo indie I have to cope being left alone in a sea of an oversaturated market
Only a small reflection made me really respect the people who are mentioned in these threads, shitpost or not!

>>20821075
So this is the mind of a dramafag, literally male seagulls

>>20843783
Begone

>>20799162
>Ask /vt/
>Receive answer from /vt/
>Complain anyway
You faggot have no brain or something?

>>20819281
They like to do it without any affection for you. It's a women thing

>>20821075
You should've killed yourself before coming here, dramafag

>>20788019
That image is sad and it's why I open a bunch of <50 and generally <30 viewer streams of vtubers I find and sub to. Even one person saying good luck or hoping they have fun today might help them out.
Vtubers have to manage their expectations though, realistically most streamers let alone vtubers aren't gonna make it 'big', they have to just be doing it because they enjoy doing it and are having fun.
Not even to do with talent, you see great artist vtubers who get like 100 views and aren't growing that much, you see good singers <100 and <50 views, chuubas with amazing thumbnail art and friendly nice personalities, but the market is just completely overflowing and most people won't find you in the first place let alone anything beyond that.
The ones that keep saying they're gonna quit or asking for more donations and stuff really bring down the atmosphere and make their viewers feel guilty and bad, when what they want is to feel happy and cheer on their vtubers.
The vtubers like that where their fanbase feels more like guilted abused partners really stunt any growth and lose more of their viewers. If some girl can stream to like 1-3 people and be upbeat, happy, and try her best there's no excuse for other people, and because of that if I see them live i'll open their stream for a bit even if I can't watch or have other shit to do
The right side of the image is not accurate though, vtuber audiences are happy for you to literally do anything, even play dogshit fucking apex, they're easy to please

>>20788098
this but unironically. Get fucked, moids

It's a buyer's market. You hardly have to work at all in any form of entertainment when it comes to building a following as long as you're a woman. Women are manipulative and men are too fucking stupid not to use their dicks to think. If you're a man getting into Vtubing you're pretty much going to be one face out of a million other obscure nobodies unless you become a cesspit shit-stirrer in an effort to gain notoriety.

>>20811178
Collabs are one of the worst parts of vtubers for me, because collabs are just loud shitfests and filled with awkward shit because they're not actually real friends who have spent lots of time together to be comfortable.
Vtubers streaming solo and interacting with chat is absolutely the peak comfy, but if you want to appeal to normies then loud = funny and "more popularity and people involved = better" to them

>>20816352
Anon, I do not think you even comprehend just how many games or books do not sell and end up failures out of the entire amount that exist.
Cars phones and shoes do not fit the example, because those are all massive monopolies controlled by a few specific corporations each, so literally everything has brand power. If every 2 view had the hololive brand, substantially more of them would get viewers.
Netflix just doesn't work in the example at all because that's one payment for like 400 different shows that regularly rotate, so it's still worth it to pay even if you only watch 2%

streaming ruined vtubing

>>20825886
concerned was so good, the writer is insanely witty

>>20799375
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?

>>20810438
If the streams and content arent good, it doesnt matter if they are new or not.

>>20850465
tell me more, totally not a plebbitor capslock-kun

>>20850574
I'm pretty sure no one's saying you can produce bad content/streams and get fans anon, it's pretty strongly implied it has to be good

>>20788019
vtubers are boring

>>20788098
Reminds me of girls i rejected in my school days. Now im still a virgin

my poor 2views

>>20788019
Literally just be an interesting person that is fun to listen to, they can have a shitty live 2D model and still be popular. I don't get why a lot of people do not understand this, they really think having the best models, best assets, best everything, would bring in the views, which does help but not by a lot, as there's a bunch of fine examples of vtubers with the best of everything BUT an interesting personality, and they forever remain in the medium to low tier indie vtuber category.