/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20724054
>Can we admit this?
sure

everything went downhill after pomu cut off her tits

I really miss those times...

>>20724054
The vibe was certainly comfier, but no. I like Enna and Millie too much to not want them.
I like all of Lazulight, in Obsydia Selen's fine but I find Petra very boring despite how cute she is, and Rosemi is my kamioshi. But Enna and Millie are very fun, entertaining streamers and great in collabs.
You could take back the boys, though. Or at least slow the waves down. Mr Accelerate snuffs the life out of his own vtubers, that's why Noctyx didn't set the world on fire like Luxiem did. It feels like I was barely getting a hold on Luxiem's personalities when BAM, new wave.

>>20724054
went down hill when finana started calling herself a slut, so 2 weeks in after debut i already noped out of this trash.

>>20724054
Yes those were the golden ages of NijisanjiEN.

We can.

I’m just lost as to what the identity of NijiEN is at this point.
>debut three waves of solely females
>the last wave of females isn’t exactly stellar, but it’s still going alright
>decide that it’s time to summon the penises
>irreparably change your branch dynamic forever, but that’s just life in Nijisanji
>the overall shift damages your inceptive waves heavily
>in order to survive, they must collab with the rising dongs
Has there ever been this type of wave dynamic before?

>>20724054
It's true. When a "Nijisanji EN collab" meant only these six, it was the best. Enna and Millie are fine too.

>>20724284
Enna and Millie are the only two I love post-Obsydia. They have that comfy aura around them that made the first two groups so fun to watch. Reimu to an extent is alright too when she isn't being annoying. Just wish they weren't putting out new groups so quick before having a chance to catch our breaths. Not even asking for a yearlong wait like Holo but Luxiem didn't even debut 3 months ago and they're already putting out a brand new set.

>>20724421
I'm perplexed as to why in Ethyria the number rose to four, and then with the two male gens, the number is fucking 5. Like, when do the waves end. I think the next one might be a "big one" if they're going co-ed, but even then.
And I dunno, I don't think Ethyria is that much of a lost cause. Nina has been on a grind and I think she has had the biggest growth of all the girls in the shortest amount of time.
Enna and Millie are fantastic, I love them.
Reimu isn't my cup of tea, and she seems to really be the only blight in the whole wave/niji females.
Even Pomu and Rosemi, who have notoriously lagged behind their wavemates and have been taken over by Nina and the boys in terms of subs, retain a very, very loyal fanbase with the least number of dead subs, and probably the most memberships in terms of the girls.

>>20724054
Reimu is the ugliest VTuber design I've ever seen out of Niji/Holo. It's not even close.

>>20724054
wave 3 came too fast, they didnt have time to really establish an identity
i guess this is the nijisanji model

>>20724421
>the overall shift damages your inceptive waves heavily
Any proof of this? Luxiem was a jolt of life to the entire branch.

>>20724054
no, just you

>>20724634
Just judged from the number of members emotes, Selen probably has the most memberships.

>>20724182
She definitely began to regress to a weird childlike state.

>>20724054
I'll admit it was when people weren't making bitchy threads like these

>Peaked
>Luxiem have higher numbers in a shorter career lifetime
No, it didn't

>>20724054
At least I can say that there weren't this much of bait threads and schizo posts about NijiEN in that period. Luxiem really broke some retardeds mind.

>>20724421
>>20724777
>fucking m*les
The real problem is that the female fans that were brought in contain the female schizos who say "fucking f*males ruining my vox streams!". So now you have double the schizos.

>>20724991
>numberfag

>>20724825
Not really reflective of their actual member counts, because some of them just haven't wanted to add more emotes.

>>20724054
there's too many nijis at all times for me to care

>>20725069
Common sense, i really doubt that someone outside of Selen, Elira and Pomu have more than 3k members

>>20725146
thats probably the point

>>20724054
Honestly I preferred only Lazulight

I unironiccally love Reimu even more now ever since the ship with Vox

>>20724054
Typical ex-holoEN fag nostalgia
>took a sip of lazulight when they debut
>gets addicted
>obysidia appears, at least one of them fits your taste
>you tecnically "watch nijiEN"
>More and more chuubas
>Can't watch them all/now there a bunch that dont fits your taste mingled with ones that does
>"I miss the golden days of my youth"

>>20725189
Elira once said her emote slot was 28 in recent members only stream so might no be that high though.

>>20725350
Ewiwa...

>>20725348
it's always been like this, you might argue that they losing to holo because of co-ed collabs, but that was thing that set niji aparts from holo. we warn you holocorns that this was not the place for you, and i personally love to see niji crash into the ground and reform better with the same co-ed kino but without ACCELERATE shit.

NijiEN is objectively worse as a whole with the dudes being forced into every collab. Any anon trying to refute this should be seen as a cuck and ignored as such

>>20725350
The only info I found about emote slots x numbers is from 2021
> Members / Emote slots
> 800 mbrs / 28

this... is wrong... right?

>>20724182
>everything went downhill after pomu cut off her tits
can someone explain this ogey, i see it all the time here and there's never any context or a shred of evidence

This was the peak. I said it when I saw it. I said, this moment was golden, and it will live forever.

The infamous meltdown collab, when Pomu lost her shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSAeY1mAvOE

And the Rosemi game show collab a few days later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJR9FDW5no

This was peak NijiEN. It doesn't get better than this

>>20724054
I really hate it when even in the membership streams homos kept on barging in. Management forcing these "impromptu" collabs really killed the comfy vibe.

>>20725707
Oh except this mario kart collab might have come close. This was some soul right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hr5Q5clwkw

>>20724054
I really like Enna and Millie though

>>20725707
>>20725767

>>20725543
SEAmonkey kys

>>20725767
>They clearly wasnt into mariokart tourney
>Selen had some personal emergency 5min before collab being extra out of it
there was no Soul in this one anon

>>20725743
This

>>20725671
Pomu in her PL talked about her mom getting breast cancer, and early into her debut she had to take a break for a preventative surgery, most people assume breast-cancer related. The rrat is she chopped off her tits/doesn't have nipples because people here don't know anything about medicine or science, or anything useful really, and don't know that even in radical mastectomies (the whole breast is removed) there is plastic surgeon that reconstructs the breast. Yet Pomu never went into detail, we just don't know how invasive the procedure was.
Anyways, that's the reason Pomu never caught up with Elira and Finana in terms of subs, because she took like a month-long break right after debuting.

>>20725743
That was only Reimu as far as I'm concerned
No other girl have the guys on their membership streams

>>20725671
She had preventative surgery for cancer in august for a lady part specific cancer. Most people assume it was a mastectomy because she wasn’t allowed to stream as talking and laughing could rip her stitches (which happened anyway). It could have been a few others though. She apparently needs a follow up surgery done sometime after the lazulight anniversary

>>20724054
>>20725707
NijiEN peaked yesterday though

>>20725707
Good one, but I prefer these two streams. These were peak Nijisanji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXNwUTbyjvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvtFiLBbItc

>>20725666
Yeah, that's wrong. I checked the achieve and what she said was 8 more. So now she have 29 emotes, the slots is like 37. I apologized.

>>20725050
With proper contexts, numbers reflect their popularity / performance to some extents, though. (Unless you are going for something like SOVL)

>>20725992
Isn't that Elira's infamous drunk stream? That was nuts

>>20725855
>picrel
you should put haachama
anyways
i'll not killing myself. if you want all seanigs (including me) to dead. you should do it yourself
t.shonen schizo

>>20724054
I just wanna know how the hell the NijiEN guys are beating the NijiEN girls in views.

Like, how is that even possible. Female vtubers, by default, should be more popular than male ones.

>>20725926
can confirm for Rosemi and Pomu. The worst thing about the guys that has happened is Rosemi's 250k celebration where she fucking begged Luca to jump on VRchat with her, wasted 30 mins not really talking and just wondering aloud when he'd show up, and did like a 30 min karaoke session. And it sucks because that stream started off great.

>>20725743
literally only reimu

>>20726131
>Manjisanji
there's your answer

>>20726131
Because the guys are the first big corpo male vtubers, there really is no competition. They have the entire female audience pie, whereas the NijiEN girls have been having to play catch-up against both HoloEN and VShoujo from the start.

>>20726131
Most of the nijisanji fanbase is female. That goes for the japanese talents as well. The males on the japanese side are super popular as well, usually much more popular than the females.

>>20726131
You’re thinking too western. They mog the girls because Chinese and sea Fujos latched on to them and will never let go.

>>20726131
Because there were no market for Fujos and Yumes (Female goslings).
You can see some decline with the second wave of males... Luxiem is the lightning in the bottle
PLUS, Nijigirls have HEAVY competition
>HoloLive
>Tsunderia
>Vshojo
>Other companies
Males didn't have much.

>>20726131
>how is it possible that the only corpo male vtubers are so far ahead their female counterparts when another company is known as THE youtube female chuuba company regardless of how warranted that perception is
You're not a very smart person, are you, anon?
>>20726101
Yes. I experienced a bit of it live through Rosemi and Pomu, and then watched Elira's VOD. Hands down the best fucking streams in Nijisanji thus far.

>>20726301
meant
>only corpo male EN vtubers
but you know what I meant, fuck you

>>20726181
Mmmm... i felt that way with my oshi on the second SADX stream with Ike being a backseater the entire stream... but i still blame discordniggers for that

>>20724421
How badly did the males change things? I didn't really follow NijiEN much

>>20726131
shitpost aside, Luxiem literally striked a new market while the girls need to straggle in one that are full of competitor. They are the lighting in the bottle just like Myth

>>20724054
Aka when they were most Holo-like only arguably better in some ways because open free nature to go talk to each other and collab in anything. Now, this is a minus, because half+ the time that is going to be random dudes crashing the streams.

All-girl EN was an anomaly in the context of Nijisanji, which was mixed from wave one in JP, ID, IN, KR, and VR. So I do not have a problem with the guys as a concept or as people. And I don't think girls do either, not at all.
As for Ethyria, I really like Enna and Millie, who in turn like Reimu and Nina - so that's all good to me. Haven't watched enough Noctyx yet, but they seem fine

>>20726131
Simple and short answer
>Lazusidia+Ethyria wasn't the first EN Females from a big company
>Luxiem was the first EN Males from a big company

>>20726131
A lot of their girl talents are just not that great of entertainers and/or are really one-note/repetitive like Finana.

>>20725622
They aren't forced into collabs though. They are just being treated the same as any other member and being allowed to join in with collabs just like a girl would.

>>20726263
It's worth noting too that Noctyx eats into Luxiem far more than any of the female waves have into the previous ones. NijiJP and HoloEn don't really see this kind of cannibalism either.

It's very possible that NijiEn actually has an effective 100% share of the market on male vtubers and that it's all diminishing returns from here.

>>20726395
They just made the collab issues people were having worse. View wise, luxiem saved the branch. The people they brought in a filtering into some of the girls streams now when their boys aren’t on.

A year from now there will be so many an average fan won’t be able to name them all. Such is the way of Nijisanji.

>>20726131
i was about to say i havent number fagged in a while and was very surprised when i see that the guys are objective beasting this shit. luxiem is straight up competitive with holoen outside of maybe gura and calli, completely btfo their female senpais. i wonder if any of them are bitter that their nepotism male friends are destroying them numbers wise

i wish we had more numbers to check but i really want to know if luxiem opened the pandoras box for western female viewers, or if the ratio is still the same as before except theres genuine interest from males viewers to watch male vtubers(likely the former)

>>20726390
I still haven't watch sadx second stream to this day
but cause is SADX
Ike and Selen collabs are kino, especially rayman football part
I wish she invited Ike for nidhogg instead of Luca, hes more a competent player and actually learns

>>20726395
NTA, but if I had to venture a guess, and this is nitpicky in my opinion:
Everyone in EN can stream by themselves, or can be in a discord "collab" channel were other members are free to join if they so choose. Sometimes, the guys will pop up in chat, and the girls will be like
>wait let's get on the collab channel
and they talk. That's it. Mind you, the girls also do that with other girls, just see Selen and Enna's fucking Pokemon conversation.

>>20726523
Hate to break it to you anon, but that’s 99% of streamers. Actual good entertainers get locked into traditional fields for millions a gig and don’t need to groom parasocial loners for cash.

>>20726532
They have Asia on lock. Holostars EN might take the Western half but I don't think the NA/EU audience is big for Male vtubers.

>>20725622
>>20726531
It feels more like the EN girls are trying to just stick to anyone who would dare suggest maybe they shouldn't which is actually not the usual course for nijisanji. They took it upon themselves to have this unrealistic image of it as the anti-Holo company when no in Japan, many of the Niji girls don't interact with their dudes at all and would be almost indistinguishable from Hololive girls if you didn't know.

For some like Nina this is more like she is just leeching them as hard as she can because she is a pure numberfag who had fucking outright stated pre-nina that she only got into vtubing to make money. For reimu however it's pushed her numbers down into indie territory getting so involved with them. Pomu doesn't really force them anymore and what do you know, does better than most of the ENs in income and is the top girl for CCV.

NijiEN does too much collabs, and when they do "solo" streams it isn't long until someone else hops into VC. Collabs aren't inherently bad but you lose focus of who the chuuba is as a person, and the streamer-chat relationship becomes weaker

>>20726131
There are a BILLION people in china. That's how. Also, they had no real competition.

>>20726625
It was Luca who invited Selen, he is trying to collab 1-1 with all NijiEN and it was Selen's turn
And about the collabs with Ike, i prefer it this way. Too much collabs these days... they are starting to get stale.

>>20725666
Yeah it was wrong she has 28 from the ones she commissioned before they got any members that she is using currently and she was considering adding 8 more while leaving extra slots unused for the future. So if she was leaving 2 free that would be 2.6k members and 4 free would be 3k members.

>>20726797
There's an important balance to be noted:

Solo stream = it's you and the audience, chuuba and fans actively keep each other company and amuse each other.

Collabs = you can ignore chat probably 100% and just talk with someone else. Chat is now the third wheel, the fly on the wall watching 2+ people having fun.

If you collab allll the fucking time it looks more like you're just trying to escape the onus of actually hanging with the fans. Flirting with dudes doesn't help with this either, that is actively not normal human social behavior to sit there quietly at the table watching two people flirting with you being unable to actually interact with them. That's actually weird/creepy for a guy to do.

>>20726918
Pivoting off that, when you have solo streams turning into impromptu chatting/distraction of the solo girl from the chat, and basially everything is collabs all the time now even if it wasn't supposed to be? It looks more like we're just watching a clique doing their thing and there is not much reason for the audience to be a thing anymore. Given they constantly post discord chatter screencaps etc it indeed looks like a clique that doesn't give a rat's ass about the audience.

>>20726762
I don't know if you actually watch NijiEN but your impressions seem way off. Pomu has been collabing more with the guys than ever recently and a number of her streams get boosted by them joining on VC with a single view if anything they have contributed towards her growth in CCV rather than detracting from it. The girls that don't interact with them much on stream at all outside of normal group collabs that everyone does like Rosemi, Enna, Finana, Elira and Millie are the ones you should be looking at if you want to know what minimal male interaction looks like.

>>20726918
>Flirting with dudes doesn't help with this either
lol
lmao even
>

>>20726918
The collab topic is important
game ones of course chat is forgotten
zatsu ones keeps chat being part of it
Nina has so many of those both in her channel and others

>>20726870
holyshit, he invited her and knows less about the game?
I know he dont like to read but holyshit

>>20726131
They pander to femcels and fujos, while the girls aren't pandering as much or at all.

>>20727015
pretty much my thoughts on the direction nijiEN is heading. it actually makes me sick to my stomach to know that 80% of them were friends pre nijiEN. its straight up a cool kids club gatekept by people that only want their friends to join

>>20727199
I mean... it happens with the girls too... remember that Selen, Rosemi and Fish Rainbow Six Extraction? No one read the instructions or did the tutorials except Selen... same happened with DST

>>20727243
ethyria was doing kissy sc in their first week just like vox

>>20727369
millie still does

>>20724708
What about irys?

>>20727015
You must only watch a select few NijiEN girls if you think everything is like that. I don't think I have ever seen a single solo stream turn into a group stream for Elira, Rosemi, Finana, Millie or Enna. Well except when Lazulight used to all join on Elira's streams back when it was only them.

>>20726181
Yeah that was so shit, I dropped her right there

>>20724708
what's wrong with sleepy eyes and curly hair?

>>20726181
As expected of the fakesnake cosplay whore

>>20727729
Is that all you've got to say?

I'll agree just because I hate Nina and how she ruins every collab she shoves her way into

>>20727875
>Nina, Mysta and Mika clique

I lost interest in Niji EN right before Obsydia joined.

>>20724054
Lazulight Obsydia and Luxiem. The other two units feel like a separate vtuber corp. Pomu x Luca moments are the best thing to happen to NijiEN

What's wrong? Its best its been with new EN males.

>>20727685
its a really nasty motif and very centipede like. the hair shape design reminds me of the ww1 aristocrats mustaches

>>20727685
I find the sleepy eyes cute and I wish more vtubers had them but the hair is fucking weird

it feels like they're addicted to each others company to the point where they'll ruin comfy solo streams with call-ins

>>20727685
she needs a new outfit ASAP

>>20728017
/vt/ is full of unicorns please anderstando

>>20726395
They added a gender with a penis into the mix. People jumping into a stream for an impromptu collab has been around since when it was only Lazulight.

>>20728013
Wtf is that real?

>>20726395
Besides Selen, foxhag, and maybe Luca, the others sound like they're walking around eggshells sometimes when they're talking to each other in a mixed collab. Like they're more alert and cautious with what they say it almost gives me Hololive vibes. Haven't watched the new wave so I don't know how they're like yet.

>>20724054
Honestly yeah. I hate the dude livers so much

>>20724777
Every single woman in NijiEN have had their most successful months since debut (some even including their debut month) since Luxiem arrived.

All of the NijiEN girls (even Reimu) are gaining more daily subs than anyone in Council. This includes LazuLight, who have been active for nearly a year now.

How often does Pomu collab with males? Wasn't there a lesbian rrat?

>>20724054
Obsydia got me into NijiEN and eventually into Lazulight, even if I find Petra and Finana very uninteresting of the two groups. Ethyria and Luxiem are fine, minus Vox. I have zero interest in Noctyx even before the Discord fiasco, but funny enough, I feel like I don't see them collabing with the others in NijiEN that often? Fulgur occasionally, but I don't think I've seen any of the other four show up.

>>20724054
>Peaked
Imho they was inclining when they only have 2 waves, hit plateau after Ethyria debuted and went downhill after male wave came

>>20729728
Maybe in your opinion, but >noombers show increasing sub and viewer growth for all the girls since Luxiem debuted in December.

Personally for me the content has remained just as enjoyable as ever but the fanbase around it has become immeasurably worse. The /vt/ general is full of shipfags making out any male female interaction is romantic while people who hate ships argue with them, you've got chinks getting uppity and trying to cancel members over their choice of mods and japanese antis losing it over someone not taking an earthquake seriously enough. Back when it was just the girls there was none of this drama now it seems like there's a new thing nearly everyday that has some group triggered.

>>20727562
She's beautiful to me.

>>20729843
>everything shipfags touch dies
A perennial issue.

The males filtered me entirely from NijiEN.

>>20729777
>chinawomen viewers lurking to see if a luxiemfag will join
it would be fascinating to see the effect of a taiw*n incident

>>20724054
You can just admit that you hate Males OP, you can go back to watching hololive

We can't turn back time, the future of NijiEN solely relies on those shitty fujoshis that were previously MHA and Haikyuu fans

>>20729777
>Resort to numbers
Sure but whatever that's just my opinion based on how kino they were and /#/ is two blocks down, fungus

>>20724054
You could make the case the peak was just Lazulight, too, but I can accept this because Selen.

>>20729843
they pretty much are responsible for any drama that has ever happened with the branch

>>20724234
What an awful fucking art.

>>20731508
ogey

>>20724054
Nope, as much as numberfags want to deny this, it was the era of Lazulight/Obsydia/Ethyria.

>>20725979
And the members involved? Lazulight, Obysdia and Ethyria. I rest my case.

t. not unicorn

>>20725707
>>20725992
...though, you guys have based taste. I'll also admit that it was in the Great Rosemi Game Show that I realized how special NijiEN as a branch really is.

>>20724054
How are we supposed to know? You tell us. We don't watch NijiEN.

>>20726753
There are plenty of guys that stream during NA times now, or at least not Japan prime time. Fulgur, Alban, Uki, and Shu generally don't stream during the times Vox/Mysta stream at. Luca is more late night NA (8PM PST) so that's probably a good time for eastern countries to catch him.

>>20724054
yup

>>20724054
but I like Millie,Enna and Reimu!

besides Elira seems happy she's with her long time irl friends

>>20725992
Those were up there, but I consider those the beginning of the end. That's where DCL went from being iconic to "lol meme twerking song", and when the whole frat party culture began.

>>20734749
No reason why DCL can't be both iconic and a "meme twerk song" at the same time, because it IS still the de facto branch song till this day.
Just because something is a meme doesn't make it less "respected", so to speak. Megalovania being the biggest meme doesn't change the fact that it is still one of the best songs in Undertale.

>>20726181
Pomu and Selen even did something similar for their 250k Phasmo. Literally begging Ike to join, and then Shu showed up too. Granted those 2 are the nicest Luxiem guys and the girls weren't as obnoxious about it, so it wasn't so bad, but still...

I'm fine with the girls and guys collabing, but I do think they overdo it. For awhile it felt like each girl had a token collab with at least one guy each week, oftentimes playing a 4 person shitty horror game.

>>20724054
yes

>>20734965
>Literally begging Ike to join, and then Shu showed up too.
That's because they were too scared to play on their own, and apparently Ike, Shu and Mysta were the only people in VC at the time. And that's not even mentioning that they tried to contact Finana first and foremost, and it was when Finana refused to join that they moved onto the boys.

>>20726181
This was actual torture these fucking homos are a blight on the girls streams and it’s absolutely undeniable

>>20726263
>Female goslings
Can you fuck off with that term?

>>20729843
shipfags should all explode, they are the plague of all vtubers

>>20726918
This is true, specially if you play Apex all the time. In that case, you wouldn't need to be in a company, you'll need to go to a eSports team on twitch. Please Reimu, stop playing so many times Apex. Selen got the rub first and you doing it constantly is damaging your reputation.

>>20726797
i hadnt realized how important this is until everyone started doing collabs 24/7
collabs should be "special"
having them all the time is just tiring

Lazulight days were peak comfy even with pomu suffering in her cagie.
Obsydia time was fun since selen early days were interesting and rosemi is diabetes. Weird for them to release a two person gen though.
Ethyria starts to skew things a little, I still appreciate the girls and I'm glad nina is enjoying a happier day to day in niji
Then the males dropped and chaos ensues, many streams I bother to open now have a bunch of guys in them that I don't recognise and it's just like listening to a strangers discord call
Luca seems nice at least

>>20727155
>>20729843
>Personally for me the content has remained just as enjoyable as ever but the fanbase around it has become immeasurably worse.
>Back when it was just the girls there was none of this drama now it seems like there's a new thing nearly everyday that has some group triggered.
>The collab topic is important, game ones of course chat is forgotten, zatsu ones keeps chat being part of it
You know what? I actually agree with these.

>>20725909
Nijhisanji is cursed by nipples

>>20729151
>Like they're more alert and cautious with what they say it almost gives me Hololive vibes. Haven't watched the new wave so I don't know how they're like yet.
In their case, the girls are afraid of angering the fujos

>>20727073
Pomu is at least making a conscious effort to have more solo streams, which helps a lot. It was getting overwhelming when almost all her streams were collabs or surprise collabs, and now she has more of a balance.

>>20729843
>>20730066
>>20730888
>>20735436
>Only females in branch. Yuri shipping is everywhere. No drama.
>Males added to branch. Hetero and homo shipping became a thing. Fanbase turns to shit
Once again this proves the only acceptable form of shipping is yuri, and that it saves the world.

>>20727243

Unironically yes. When Millie debuted she brought her toxic sea fanbase with her.
There's a reason why there's ban on sea on games such as Lost Ark.

>>20724054
nah,I like these 2 too much

>>20727685
This pic is cute, but her model's face doesn't have anything. Eyes are too small and no nose. Doesn't help that her hair is really stiff. Her back seems to be one of her strong points, but you can't see that.

Nah, Ethrya gave me Enna and Notdicks Fulgur. Those two have become my favorites and both keep a good balance of solo/collab streams in their weekly schedules.

>>20725707
This was the best part of the Meltdown:
https://youtu.be/7hdCGR9ezWk?t=14800

>>20735360
cope

>>20726131
The NijiEN guys are beating all the EN vtubers.

>>20724054
Ultimate thread watcher litmus test.

>>20735360
female simps

They have fun with their real friends. Good for them but there is no point for me to watch them anymore.

>>20735501
You do know... She's doing it because she is participating in Vsaikyou right? It's the biggest vtuber apex tournament and she's literally the only foreigner participating.

>>20725281
their interactions reminds me of GunKan, maybe it's just me though

>>20726239
>Most of the nijisanji fanbase is female
Not really, while the number has been growing, most livers, male included, still have more male viewers than female, again, male livers included.

>>20727243
>while the girls aren't pandering as much or at all.
Lol.
Lmao.

>>20737893
and it would have been better off without her

>>20725048
This. They shit the chat and ruin the streams

>>20726263
>>Tsunderia

>>20742677
Wosemi...

>>20726797
This

>>20728013
The only good and entertaining nijiEN

I don't think it's been too bad post Luxiem. Main issue honestly is Vox being kind of insufferable during collabs where he's streaming ie. not zatsudan.
Attention sponge, playing it up for his chat and will say cursed shit randomly. Not funny cursed shit like Mysta that others can laugh or groan at, but just awkward cursed shit that ruins the conversation flow.
Rest of the boys are fine. Funny and good natured for the most part.

>>20726870
didn’t selen say she invited him?

come watch Millie. she doesnt do 1 on 1 collabs with males or do collabs often

>>20745354
>acknowledge the existence of males
no

>>20745737
but you are a male

>>20744193
This. I think it settled down at least a little bit.

For the 2 months after Luxiem debuted, it felt like there was some sort of conscious effort to spam cross-gender collabs as much as they could feasibly get away with. I think a lot of it was Nina since she was in so many of those collabs, but I wouldn't be surprised if management was pushing it for some reason or if the girls themselves were doing it out of spite or something. In contrast, cross-wave collabs with Obsydia, Ethryia, and even Noctyx were much less frequent at first, despite Millie and Enna having close ties with several of their senpais and so on.

>>20727685
Her eyes are cute, but her hair reminds me of mammoth horns

Lazusydia I miss you

>>20745354
Millie's boyfriend is very protective huh?

>>20726131
Chinese audience + fujo audience + tranny/homo audience. Plus being the first bigshot male chuubas in the west boosted them.

>>20724708
Nah, Reimu is cute. Unconventional but it's not ugly. It also helps that she's a sweet person when not malding in game collabs.

>>20728131
>its a really nasty motif and very centipede like.
I personally think it makes sense for Reimu to have a disturbing motif given that she's a ghost. Like how Mika's intro has a horror vibe despite herself being nothing like that.

>>20729477
>lesbian rrat
Ancient history, after that there was a boyfriend rrat, then a Pomu is in love with Luca rrat, running concurrently with rrats that say Pomu is in love with Kiara AND the rrats that say Pomu is taking advantage of Kiara to betray her later.

>>20752733
>lesbian rrat
>he doesn't know

>>20729477
The actual confirmed gay guy has collabed with women many times now so I'm not sure that means anything.

I felt the same until this happened, one of the most fun streams I've ever watched, I need more.

https://youtu.be/gkeVCyWAH44

>>20724054
Sure you can feel that way but your staement is factually wrong though

FISH LOVE!
I LOVE THIS SWEET PURE MERMAID!

>>20724054
Objectively NijiEN peaked when Luxiem debuted. They absolutely wipe out the competition in the entire english branch in terms of superchats, followers, and viewers. Their existence literally helped all the girls get out there more. Objectively all the girls got more fan art when the guys started collabing with them more. You're welcome.

>>20755587
How does them making more money make them more entertaining for me to watch?

>>20755587
>>20756807

>>20756807
>skipping over all the other qualities i listedand going straight to the tiny part where I mentioned money
Reading comprehension reps. Also, they are really entertaining. Luca and Shu seem to be the most popular with males.

>>20757071
Okay then how does them becoming more popular make them more entertaining?
Pomu having 100 extra viewers doesn't make her content better

>>20757071
Idk I tried watching them for the first time and they're pretty cringe with all the shitty collabs
t. Rosebud

>>20757071
>Shu
lol lmao
btw i gave them a try but they are not my cup of tea

>>20755587
From left to right:
A good singer with boring solo streams and annoying "I have a cock stuck in my throat" voice
A menhera whore
An autistic megawhore
Someone that didn't realize that this isn't twitch and that vtuber fans on average are older than him. Also horny for your oshi and doesnt hide it
A good boy with smart humor, cursed with an awful model.

>>20729429
Lmao no? Council has been increasing a lot in terms of subs lately especially after mumei, kronii, and bae are back. They have average 1k-6k subs/day in march, mumei is growing especially faster tho with 3k-10k subs/day

But Nina didn't debut until Ethyria

>>20758073
Playboard says otherwise:
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC3n5uGu18FoCy23ggWWp8tA
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCmbs8T6MWqUHP1tIQvSgKrg
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCgmPnx-EEeOrZSg5Tiw7ZRQ

>>20758153
playboard is chinese

>>20757928
>vtuber fans on average are older than him

lol lmao a good half of luxiem fans are underage girls

>>20758350
Look at the bottom-left corner of the website. Playboard is South Korean, who are big supporters of Hololive.

>>20737103
LOL only mysta and his karaoke stream, while 4 of holo girls beat other nijiboys easily. If one of the holo girls pull out a karaoke unarchived stream it could easily surpass 40k-50k, gura usually had 60k sumthing live viewers for her karaoke unarchived stream, keep on dreaming HoloEN is basically untouchable

>>20757928
>annoying "I have a cock stuck in my throat" voice
Kek

>cursed with an awful model
Maybe unpopular opinion: I actually like his model a lot. Luca and Vox model are pretty cool too. Don't know if this makes a difference, but I'm a straight male.

>>20755587
>absolutely wipe out the competition in the entire english branch
You are getting ridiculous here, their followers and viewers is still ain't that much if you want to compare it with their biggest competitor (holo and vshojo), also their superchats are mostly pushed by china fujos, nothing to be proud of at all lmao, we saw trouble coming already because of that whole taiwan thingie

>>20758153
>26k
>23k
>30k

Damn hard work is really not rewarded, Rat streamed alot yet only 4k more growth than NB Clock

>>20758350
>>20758509
Socialblade shows the same result, so which country should I attach it to create a narrative?

>>20758153
Nahh sorry man i trust these sites more,https://www.reddit.com/r/HoloStatistics/hot/
https://www.vstats.jp/leaderboard/2022-03-21

>>20758887
Cool, now show me screenshots of Council's daily sub growth in March.

>>20758153
Vox is gonna pass council in a couple months at this rate.

>>20758887
>Reddit: Hololive Production members MILESTONE WATCH (MARCH 21, 2022)
>Mumei and Kronii growth aligns with socialblade/playboard
>Vstats: Mumei info for march have it all except subgrowth
>Live Streams: 12 Tied Median: 8,541 Total Viewing Time: 276,709 Duration: 35:23 Total Views: 1,750,812 Highly Recommended: 190,118

>>20758153
>https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC3n5uGu18FoCy23ggWWp8tA
Even if we are comparing it based on playboard, holo girls still have more viewers than nijien girls, too drastic difference i must say https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCIeSUTOTkF9Hs7q3SGcO-Ow
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCu-J8uIXuLZh16gG-cT1naw
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCIeSUTOTkF9Hs7q3SGcO-Ow

>>20759278
The comment chain is about sub growth, not ccv. Why change the topic we've been discussing?

>>20759278
Nobody debated about this, that much was always obvious
The point is this Anon out of meds >>20758073

Council algorithm must be totally fucked to have such low sub growth in the last 30days

>>20759504
And that's because, for a long while, they hardly streamed. The same thing happened to Pomu - took a month hiatus for surgery, sub growth slowed to a crawl for months after.

>>20758405
Have you even watched Luca?

>>20758887
>reddit
Go back

>>20759615
But bae literally had her February marathon thing
yet only got 30k, one would expect bored Council/Myth would at least sub to her during this period that had even less stream from the others

>>20757928
Luca is a good boy who has super zoomer energy and he also has irl trauma which makes him gravitate towards hags pls understand it's Pomu's fault for taking advantage of such a sweet boy who has mommy issues.

>>20759504
the previous anon is true, most council members took a break last month (3 of them i believe)

>>20758528
Mumei only peaked at 15k with her unarchived karaoke stream a few days ago anon...

I used to occasionally watch nijien when they didn't have guys
Now that they have dudes and they constantly hang out in the same voice channels and impromptu collab constantly I'm no longer interested, it's just God awful

>>20759841
i guess the previous anon is talking about myth

>>20724054
glad that i never bat an eye on them

>>20759799
And NijiEN streams pretty much daily and for much longer hours, yet only gets relatively the same amount of sub growth.
Turns out hard work doesn't really pay.

>>20724054
those were the golden age of NijiEn, truly

>>20759799
council rarely stream and once they did it is for a much shorter length, yet they still got the same sub-growth as NijiEn girls who streams regularly.. makes you wonder eh

>>20757261
This whole time I was talking in terms of "peak". That could mean peak anything: viewership, money, or entertainment. Being entertaining is subjective, and if they have this many followers after jsut three months then they must be entertaining to those many followers. If you just don't like them that's fine but I'm speaking about the vague term "peak".

>>20757928
From left to right: wrong, he's got comfy solo streams with comfy cute catboy energy and I love his twink voice and cute noises
wrong, he's a chaotic whore
okay that one's correct
the twitchspeak is part of his character and he's actually funny whether he's using that slang or not. Yes he's horny, but for friendship. He's like a bro you can trust your girlfriend around.
Agreed on this one too

>>20758738
>compare it with their biggest competitor (holo and vshojo)
Guess I should have been more specific, I meant english branch in the company. So for the entirety of NijiEN, they are the top earners and most viewed overall.

I don't understand why mentioning china fujos somehow means their success doesn't count. The top two earners/most viewed, Vox and Mysta, stream during asia-friendly hours so of course they're going to get the biggest audience there. Luca streams in Australia friendly hours and gets about 6-9k viewers on his streams and is almost up there with Vox in terms of superchats sometimes. So this whole "chinese fujos giving them all the money and no one else" boogeyman argument doesn't hold up.

>>20724708
The design is alright, but irs the ultimate example of the model not matching the personlity

>>20725707
Rosemi Gameshow was peak NijiEN

>>20724054
I like the new waves though. I'm also glad they chased off the unicorn fags trying to strong arm the western industry into being girls only, I don't like that they brought in the chink females with them and hope they have a coco moment to get them to fuck off forever.
>>20724421
>MALES BAD
>>20726395
Honestly it's mostly hololive refugees throwing hissy fits because MALES. Not to say there hasn't been some problems since the males debuted, enemy number 1, chink woman who ruin everything. For the branch as a whole the males actually gave them a shot in the arm and helped increase numbers across the board. For actual member interaction it's fine, people bitch about fucking MALES but the guys and gals get along pretty well and there's a lot of fun interactions of autists being autists.

>>20726263
>>20726425
Catching lightning in a bottle refers to taking advantage of a miraculous opportunity
Luxiem is more like first past the post, as everyone besides Vox is mediocre at best

>>20724054
The entire branch is on its deathbed. They failed to reach HoloEN or even Vshoujo level. Now they're more comparable to fucking Tsunderia.

>>20727015
>>20727076
>>20727155
>>20735501
Holy fuck, can you SEAniggerss learn english? I feel like I'm having a stroke trying to understand what you're saying

>>20745354
>english
>shitty ESL

>>20724054
>Elira is going through her JRPG/Visual novel marathons
>Pomu is now a metal gear addict
>Finana is finally streaming something other than genshin/honkai/yakuza
>Petra is actually getting not just a snorefest
>Rosemi keeps going from strength to strength
>Selen is still just a apex goblin who never finishes anything that takes more than one stream
>Nina exists

I dunno anon, I'm preferring them now.

>>20729151
Never got that impression from Vox. It always feels like he's one loose comment away from calling Reimu a spic lol

>>20763143
None of the people in this thread watch NijiEn.

>>20762857
Don't know if you trying to put nijiEN down
or bring/shill Tsunderia up
God I wish Amiya had the popularity nijiEN girls has, even reimu level would suffice
by every metric NijiEN is a successful branch
Nijien views, ccv, subgrowth, superchats, vp/merch sales they outpace all other foreign branches by a giant margin

>>20763062
Don't tag me again faggot, i didn't even write that much
also seethe

>>20763213
Wow they outpaced the branches that ate getting killed off, so impressive

>>20763143
>Selen is still just a apex goblin who never finishes anything that takes more than one stream

>More games finished on the entire branch
>lot of them on Hard mode
cope

>>20735829
>two person gen
Kek, true.
Pretty spot on, though. Especially the part about listening to somebody else's discord call

>>20763062
Imagine struggling this much as a EOP

Surprisingly civil thread, considering the premise was that it's a NijiEN anti thread.
Aside from the obvious shitposters and /#/ thread regurgitators, it seems like you guys actually do watch NijiEN streams.

Both the men and women can only provide or undertake so many roles/positions in the company. However what is "expected" by females (with mostly male fans) and males (with mostly female fans) is sooo stark. It's a night and day difference. Especially in sexually charged content. But everyone has some sort of handicap that must address

Don't watch vtubers enough to care anymore, I have a normal sleep pattern now and everyone streams at NA times so there's none for me to watch really. GMT BTW.

>>20724054
I was enjoying Selen and Elira, and slowly starting to appreciate everyone else. Ethyria's announcement was a strong introduction to Nijisanji's ACCELERATE.

Now I just follow the ones I like, that's just how it is.

>>20737103
nice cherry-pick, nipplebro

>>20744193
The only insufferable is Luca, i dislike Mysta too but he keeps to himself which unironically puts him above the others on my book.

>>20735829
>it's just like listening to a strangers discord call
You summed it up perfectly.

>>20771310
Not picking sides but that makes them look pretty even to me....

>>20782442
The original claim was
>The NijiEN guys are beating all the EN vtubers
any my reply is
>In March to date, NijiEN men beat HoloEN women on 3 days

If you couldn't tell, I only included entries for any given day until both companies ranked a stream, HoloEN women still had more collective peak CCV every single day except for the day of Mysta 300k + "400k" celebration, and only because his streams were split. Since the streams directly followed each other and the karaoke did not include any songs that can't be archived, it should really be excluded. This isn't /#/ and I'm replying in a bait thread so I'll stop now.

>>20724054
niji never peaked

>>20788720
So the best is yet to come? Nice, good outlook!

>>20726131
>I just wanna know how the hell the NijiEN guys are beating the NijiEN girls in views.
They're fags.