/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2061742
You're overestimating how many people are going to care about NijiEN. As long as HoloEN does a few collabs with them instead of pretending they don't exist, it'll be pretty cut and dry between who gets faster growth.

>>2061742
>Male vtubers
>No GFE
So what? Are they suppose to be vtubers for fujos? They're normal dime a dozen unfunny streamers? I'm not wasting hours of my life watching that shit

>>2061742
>starsEN
Will literally never happen, there's not even a gen 4 for homos

Nijisanji has little to no presences in the west
Even Vshojo is more relevant than they are

>>2061742
There are no plans for STARS EN if there were do you seriously think YAGOO and Shinove would've waited this long to debut them especially after the success of EN gen 1 and Roberu (while not EN speaks to his kaigai fans and is one of the better performers)

It's not only not going to happen it will probably never happen. And even assuming it does Niji will probably fuck up like they did with their original EN branch, they will fail to market properly and gain fans. COVER does a better job of getting their talent where they feel they need to be to succeed no matter the branch, Niji just throw shit at walls and hope it sticks and if it does they still move on to other things instead of investing.

Enough of Niji EN it's not worth mentioning even the main branch hasn't been able to produce a single 1 mil millstone talent.

the ony two male v-tuber i care are belmond banderas and roberu so i don't care if there is a nijiEn male vtuber

>>2061821
Obviously, we need a gigafag trap chuuba in EN. Third time's the charm, right?

>>2061973
having a proper bilingual in Holostars gen 4 would be beneficial though

>>2061742
Been 11 months since the last Holostars gen and one of those graduated already.

>>2061973
Cover is just saving them for when they have another big yab, and need to announce something good immediately after to draw attention away from it, like always.

>>2061742
Mate how many times do they have to state over and over again that it's not happening.

>>2061742
>StarsEN
Delusional
>>2061969
Wrong

>>2065999
>Wrong
You could show the average/surface level western vtuber fan a picture of Mito and they'd think she was from a seasonal anime

Cover isn't gonna make an EN branch for Holostars.

It has almost been a year since Gen 3 Holostars debuted, It don't think there's going to be more holostars period bro

>>2061973
https://twitter.com/hololive_en/status/1253558088692461568

They literally stated that holostars EN was under consideration. They obviously didn't get enough applicants they were satisfied with, which is why it hasn't happened yet.

stars ID is a safer bet than stars EN

>>2062093
I miss him every day

>>2066305
Yes anon and shortly after the debut of Hololive EN, the idea of HolostarsEN was brought up to Roberu and just laughed at it saying that they're nowhere near the size to justify it
Then Shinove intercepted in chat saying straight up that it's not happening

>>2066305
It's a cover-up because they don't want to appear as a sexist agency but they and we know where the money truly is and so they won't be debuting any males yet.
I'm not afraid of being proven wrong (I'd like to, actually) but I'm pretty sure this is the case.

>>2066340
Post proof.

>>2066360
Roberu morning stream right after the announcement of EN

>>2062093
Hope he's doing well

>>2066340
This just shows miscommunication within the company but given how we know how incompetent Cover's management is, I suppose it's not that surprising.

>>2061742
Is not gonna happen, 99% of the people that would audition would do it just to get closer to the girls and the stars already consider those kind of people scum.

>>2066384
He laughed and said "Not yet" at JP viewers asking about StarsEN (and at people calling him EN) but I don't see the Shinove comment.
Regardless, it's been 6 months and the Stars have grown a lot in that time (I don't keep track of numbers so I didn't realize until just now, but seems like soon Miyabi and Tenma will be the only ones under 100k) so I wouldn't take that too seriously.
At the very least it hasn't changed my position of "God I hope they're doing it, but until it's announced I won't actually get my hopes up."

>>2066626
I mean, the majority of people auditioning for the female branch will be talentless and/or doing it for attention too, getting rid of those people is what auditions are for. And if nothing else, Cover's competent at those.

>>2066739
if they are able to get someone talented that actually cares for the stars and was fan of them before auditioning then i would wish him the best and probably watch him since i'm a big Astel fan but thats almost impossible in the western market.

>>2061742
Who's even the market for StarsEN? there was a solid and growing Female western vtuber scene before EN debuted, there's no such thing for male vtubers.
What's going to happen is, NijiEN most likely with no males because Niji has been making an effort to hide their males in their recent outreach for western fans

>>2066886
There's already been at least one male among the wave of sudden indie retirements that tends to happen before a corporate gen gets announced.
Plus, Niji has always practiced r-Selection. Having males among their first gen and just not promoting them as much unless they somehow succeed anyway is very much fitting with their M.O.
Not even maliciously, they just promote the obvious potential successes and if the others surprise them then good for them.

Also
>Who's even the market for StarsEN
Considering that the JP Stars all already have a ton of EOP fans, those people + the people that maybe watch a few clips but don't go further because they don't watch people they can't understand. Same situation as pre-EN Hololive except on a smaller scale (Although not THAT much smaller. People forget that at the start of 2020 300k was massive even for Hololive, and I think people expected Fubuki to hit 1 Mil first sometime around now based on their growth - which was already insane just from EOP memes mind you - shortly before EN debuted. A lot has happened this past 6 months.)

>>2061774
It's definitely going to be bigger than tsunderia and prism, that's for sure. lol With nijisanji fans at least 30k it'll reach, then holofags who are curious and eop retards who are lazy to go into niji but will try an english branch.

>>2061928
Do your reps.

>>2061973
You're a retarded faggot and a discord trannie who think IN was an actual english branch. You're also a fucking retard thinking about subs when there's tons of nijis with great sub numbers and niji are the only ones who can compete in live viewers with hololive.

>>2066136
Their own fault for not knowing one of the most influential vtubers of all time.There's newfags who don't know Kizuna Ai and this means nothing to her.

>>2066886
what outreach? you mean hoshikaw and utako? Both are doimg it by their own. lol

>>2066886
>Niji has been making an effort to hide their males in their recent outreach for western fans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZBrFZuQBs0
Posted yesterday in the official english channel. There's always content with the male members in there, check the other videos. If they're trying to hide anything they're not doing a great job.

>>2067458
If anything their males seem to be the most popular among EOPs now.

>>2061821
Just say that you havent watched not even 1 stream of the Holoboys.

>>2066136
Still wrong. The first wave of new generation VTuber fans (late-2019/early-2020) all came in watching clips of Lulu, Gibara and Mito alongside the well known Hololive ones like Fubuki, Miko and Matsuri. There's no way an average Holo fan wouldn't know about Niji. Not to mention these two groups cross over and collab all the time. Also come on, not many give a fuck about VShojo outside of their Twitch clique and the majority of western fans who watch Hololive aren't in that circle. They're more likely to be exposed to Nijisanji who has the second largest presence in YouTube (in terms of vchuuba content). Platform matters more than you think.

>>2067908
Those people are a fraction of the community now.

>>2067973
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=nijisanji,vshojo
seems like there is more google interest in nijisanji compared to vshojo

I worry about the regular stars, they're reclining a little

>>2068179
They're doing just fine

I want a lonewolf StarEN pro-gamer with a pro-gamer mouth and the JP talents are terrified to even talk to.

>>2061973
Nobody had passed 1 million subs until 6 months ago so thats hardly a relevant metric of success.

>>2061742
Man, Holofag standards for success are so fucked.
Most indies would kill to have even low-tier Niji numbers, and StarsEN would easily get that much just because of the Holo branding.
I doubt there's plans for it right now, anyway. My rrat is that Cover doesn't believe the power of their brand and are waiting for NijiEN guys to test the waters before deciding if they wanna do StarsEN.

>>2066287
They just opened auditions for holostars not too long ago

What kind of EN male chuuba would you want to see anyway?

>>2079555
Jerma

>>2061742
Is there even a market for StarsEN? I haven't seen a bunch of western fujoshi types campaigning for it but maybe I'm out of touch.

>>2080508
There really isn't. People already mentioned in this thread but the Western vtuber scene is actually far more hostile to men than the Japanese scene. Every time someone tries to argue otherwise they're either straight up wrong or talking about some exception that only proves the rule and don't understand it.

Neither hololive nor Nijisanji are likely to introduce a male any time soon.

>>2079379
>Man, Holofag standards for success are so fucked.
Yeah, it's so ridiculous. Using userlocal's numbers of there being around 13k VTubers in their database in November, having around 100k subs puts you in the top 300 / top 2% of the entire market. Having around 30k subs puts you in the top 5%.

>>2080508
they could work it out by selling their dignity like the guys that are associated with the Dream SMP and get tons of female fans.

>>2066886
Kuzuha and Kanae have the biggest foreign audiences in Nijisanji and it's not even close after that. They both have multiple dedicated clipping channels and live translators as well.

>>2061742
Why bother with starsEN when they could just use that money for another group of ENs? unlike the former the latter is guaranteed to be a success
In 30 days it will be a year since Trineo debuted, the largest gap between gens of any branch by a fucking nautical mile, I'm pretty sure Cover is just done with the stars, they will continue to support them ones they have but that's about it. The auditions for Gen 4 holostars were opened a while ago and those also have broken the record between announcement for auditions and debut of a gen, so pretty sure that isn't happening as well
The first 3 Gens were a way to test the waters see if there was any interest, now they know there really isn't much interest in them, so why waste the money when it could go to supporting their existing talent instead of spreading resources thin

>>2081329
i agree with this i rather have cover support the current stars than pumping a new gen/branch.

>>2080815
>this whole post
I know that /hlg/ and /hlgg/ are giant echo chambers that produce some extremely out-of-touch anons, but DAMN.

>The Western vtuber scene is actually far more hostile to men than the Japanese scene.
Holostars literally has more fans in the west than in Japan. The anti-male vtuber sentiment is only a thing in Hololive threads and I guess discord servers.
>Neither hololive nor Nijisanji are likely to introduce a male any time soon.
Every Nijisanji branch started out with at least one guy and Kuzuha recently took Mito's throne as the most-subbed Niji. There's no way they won't at least try replicating this success in the west.

>>2080815
>the Western vtuber scene is actually far more hostile to men than the Japanese scene.

Citation needed.

>>2080815
I find this hard to believe when Astels chat and comments are FULL of english

While I believe a Holostars EN would become pretty succesful (not Hololive succesful probably but still pretty succesful), I highly doubt they will bother doing one right now (or any time soon for that matter).
They haven't even made a fourth gen after almost a year since the last one, so the chances of Cover investing in an overseas branch of the boys when the current one is still heavily under-developed, are really low and would probably hurt the current Stars more than benefit them, since the EN branch would probably take a good chunk of the EOPs in the JP's community, reducing their already small community.
And that's without taking into account the chances of the EN branch not being Holostars fans and not really wanting to interact with them or the fact that an overseas branch would only really bring more overseas fans, which the stars already have plenty of, when what the stars need right now is more Japanese fans.
Right now there just isn't any real reason for Cover to invest in a Holostars En when they still haven't invested enough in the current JP branch.

>>2061742
Shit, NijiEN probably wont have any men either. At least at the start. The “talent” pool for western males is autistic nobodies and equally autistic minicelebs that get into controversy every other day

>>2089448
>And that's without taking into account the chances of the EN branch not being Holostars fans and not really wanting to interact with them or the fact that an overseas branch would only really bring more overseas fans, which the stars already have plenty of, when what the stars need right now is more Japanese fans.
Those are the 2 biggest worries I have with a HolostarsEN. I believe it was Astel who said the percentage of his overseas fans was much higher than the Japanese fans, and that's most likely true for the other members as well. And while they are on an upward swing, it's only a few of them who can consistently have more than 1k viwers. I'm also tired of seeing people from the girl's fanbases wanting to become Holostars only to be closer to their oshi. While most of them will most likely be filtered, if Cover do a 3 member batch for EN and 1 of them is like that it's already really bad. It's also a fear I have with NijiEN being a bunch of Hololive fans who don't really know much about Nijisanji.

>>2067908
I'm part of that new gen and I only know Lulu and Macchia, and even then I have only surface level knowledge of the two (Lulu has creepy facial expressions and is supposed to be an art student, Macchia has a cool dad and Mick Gordon watched her stream DOOM once). The same can be said about basically everyone else I've met through Vtubing with the exclusion of a set few ultra autists. Almost every one knows who Ironmouse or Snuffy is however.

>>2061742
stars EN will have better name brand recogniton in a global market compare to niji

>>2091069
Maybe in your circle of friends.

>>2061928
>>2061973
>>2065922
>>2065999
>>2066175
>there will never be a holoEN
>there will never be a holoEN gen 2
>there will never be holostars EN (You are here)

It's a matter of when, not if. It probably won't be soon, but it's going to happen.

>>2061821
the entire media complex in the west caters to women, they don't need to turn to anime avatars

>>2092035
>you will never not be a fag for watching homostars
sorry bro

>>2092079
Bro you have no fucking idea how popular cartoon/anime pretty boys are to western girls. The fact that the market isn't being capitalized on doesn't mean it isn't out there waiting for the first person to hit the right formula.

>>2090474
>Astel who said the percentage of his overseas fans was much higher than the Japanese fans
His fanbase is 80% foreigners and 20% nips

>>2092879
how come nips hate every male but kuzuha what makes him so special

>>2092924
Nah Holostars just doesn't get enough exposure, Kuzuha had to collab with females/males to get exposure. Holostars can't do any of that.

>>2092924
>>2092964
And Kuzuha isn't the only big Nijisanji male. He's just the biggest in the whole company, but there's a bunch of Nijiguys doing way better than Roberu.

>>2092924
Not sure if trolling or retarded. I'll just list a few channels, just the ones out of the top of my head.
Kanae
Fuwa Minato
Hakase Fuyuki
Yashiro Kizuku
Shibuya Hal
Belmond Banderas
Maimoto Keisuke
Joe Rikiichi

>>2092964
>Holostars can't do any of that.
They could if oogay would stop hoarding them for himself

>>2093009
Every Nijiguy that debuted in 2020 is above 150k subs and has an average viewership of 1k-2k so pretty much doing better than any holostar

>>2093093
>Hakase Fuyuki
That was a brain fart. I meant to say Kagami Hayato, he debuted along with her so I got them mixed up.

>>2092964
>Kuzuha had to collab with females/males to get exposure. Holostars can't do any of that.
I mean bro, they have
>Matsuri
>FBK
>Choco
>RBC
>Suisei
>Aki
>Sora
>Azki
>All of ID
>All of EN
There's pretty of girls to collab with

>>2092879
No, Niji has a shit load of successful males the indian guy that debuted last year is one of their biggest hires of the past few years

>>2061742
holostars are pretty chill, would definitely watch starsEN as long as they're not white with zoomer tier jokes.

>>2093104
Thats what happens when you have good advertising.

>>2095163
>Newbie Niji
>good advertising

>>2093157
The problem is that most of their collabs or new viewers is because of the dripple effect coming from the main branch. Also, no they can't collab with any of the ENs except Mori. What they need is a new gen that actually gets views from the start and rides off that momentum, the problem is this is never going to happen because Hololive hates advertising homos.

>>2095192
Atleast people know what Niji males are, half of reddit thinks the Holostar males are genderbended versions of the main gen.

>>2095223
>no they can't collab with any of the ENs except Mori
Why not?

>>2095266
Maybe Ina cause she doesn't appeal to GFE or autistic people, the rest definitely not.
1. Gura
lol
2. Amelia Watson
No her gosling fanbase has taken hold of her and holds her down. She can't be actually toxic or daring anymore.
3. Kiara
Maybe after she gets done with every single female in Hololive which will literally take years.

>>2095223
>Hololive hates advertising homos.
>Choco cards
>Official twitter account
>FBK, Matsuri and Mori
>Most promotional Material
>Comiket
>Holocomi
>Only Aqua streamed during Roberu's 3D
>sake collaboration
>Several convention appearances and meet and greets
>Weekly stars
What the fuck do you want Cover to do?

>>2095385
So just made up shit with no actual proof?

>>2095385
I actually do wonder why, I'm a newfag to vtubing.

>>2095433
All of this is really shit advertising honestly. Shows that cover has no understanding on how they got popular. The main clip channel is a good start but one of the big reasons that Hololive got popular is because of the swarm of clips in your feed. The people watching Holostars channel clips are holostars fans already. What they should've done is just pay tons of translator channels to create clips of the holostars to get them in the algorithim. I watch the holostars alot (Im watching temma rn) but I do not see any holostar clips in my feed at all. The only online presence they get is stuff that is only seen by current Hololive fans, which is not good because those fans probably already found someone they like in Hololive and don't have the time for another group, and current holostar fans.

>>2093157
Not really, out of those the only ones that care about the Stars enough to collab with them are FBK, Matsuri, Choco, Mori (though she probably will only collab with them for music stuff which limits things a bit, same with Azki and Sora) and ID (mostly Iofi and Risu though with close behind, languaje barrier limits Moona and Reine and Anya haven't shown much interest, well Anya did a little but who knows if it will go anywhere).
That may sound like plenty but it really isn't since it's clear that most of the fans from the JP girls clearly aren't interested in the Stars and them collabing won't do much most of the time, FBK and Matsuri have collabed with them plenty, same as Iofi and Risu and it hasn't done much for the stars all things considered (though in the case of Iofi and Risu it's probably because they also used to be pretty small and unpopular).
Not to mention that the Stars have the rule to not ask for collabs with the Hololive girls since they want to stand on their own feets and do not want to be seen as only leeches, the girls are the ones that have to ask for collabs, if they don't, there won't be any.

>>2095463
I was right by atleast 60%, not making up shit.

>>2095561
>What they should've done is just pay tons of translator channels to create clips of the holostars to get them in the algorithim.
That sounds like a massive money sink that's doesn't guarantee the anything, plus it's pretty scummy

>>2095561
Cover paying fan translators sounds like it could lead to yabs happening like the translators demanding stuff.

>>2095465
Well, anon, because I'm feeling nice and since I want to spoonfeed you, i'll tell you why male collabs with vtubers don't happen. Vtubers (especially japanese and some EN) do this thing called GFE where they pretend to be your girlfriend by being all cute and girlfriend like. This illusion gets broken when they collab with males, because in their own words, "why would you watch your fake online waifu have fun with another guy who's more charismatic and funnier than you?". Girls who abuse GFE the most, probably because they have no talent, are lamy, rushia, and any girl who does mostly ASMR.

>>2095682
>>2095692
You guys are completely right that its scummy and dangerous, but if it works out it will probably get them into the algorithm and then it could snowball from there.

>>2095694
Cool, but ask anyone around and they will tell you that Mori is THE GFE of EN, the amoung of times I've seen her paraded around as the "tomboy gf" experience is overwhelming, and yet she's the one that collab with males the most out of her group

>>2095694
No one does mostly ASMR though, hell FBK does more ASMR than almost every girl

>>2095775
No? Thats literally Ame or Kiara, recently Gura a little bit with the asmr and pandering

>>2095881
No, there's a reason Mori makes so much with SCs. Whenever someone asks for GFE holos Mori is always named because she's regarded as the top GFE in EN

>>2095463
Hey if you want proof just google Amelia Watson Astel, the tiny interactions they had before it got blocked by Ame's gosling harassing Astel and Ame dropping the subject of collabing with him altogether.

>>2095962
Nah, Ame or Kiara are much bigger GFE panderers than Mori. Even then, GFEtards get canceled out when a vtuber says early on they're going to collab with males

>>2095266
Not the other anon, but I thinks it's less that they can't and more that the EN girls don't really want to/are not interested in collabing with the Stars for various reasons:
Gura has only really collabed (directly, since she has been on some group collabs) with Anya and Matsuri and the latter was for a song which is to be expected considering that she is pretty shy and awkward and doesn't really knows much japanese.
Ame doesn't mention the Stars much anymore after some of her fans, and a few of Astel's, freaked out over them interacting, Ame even once said that she didn't want to upset her fans when asked if she would collab with the boys
Kiara hasn't shown any interest on them outside of Holotalk, but she said that she would only invite them after she was done with all the JP girls, which at the pace she is going and the amount that there are right now (and will be, since she will also prioritize any new gen that comes out) it will take a long, long time before she reaches them (though I think she mentioned the possibility of a special episode featuring Roberu).
Ina, I'm honestly not sure, but she did interact with them on a few ocassions and even moderated Roberu's chat once, but who knows if she will collab with them, as far as I have seen she doesn't seem too interested and is probably busy with other stuff.

>>2095694
>Lamy, Rushia
>Mostly ASMR
yeah sure

>>2096085
Anon, ASMR is basically discord sex. It may not be a full indicator of GFE but it is an indicator of a whore.

>>2096128
Rushia does ASMR like once every 2-3 months if the fandead are lucky