/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>People are streaming holofes

>>20589393
Imagine paying for a stream

>>20589393
>he thinks $100 is a lot of money

we get it nipplebros, you're poor

>>20589393
>Some people aren't fucking poor and/or seaniggers and/or welfare parasites
Shocking...

>>20589393
I wanna support Marine’s big fat ass with my own hands

can't all be nipple torture porn thieves
the economy would collapse

>>20589393
Good, they're paying so that I can pirate it while Cover still makes bank.
Thanks consoomers.

>>20589532
>>20589495
>>20589466
>buyer's remorse
I know you're all having a tough time. I make six figures and I still didn't buy it, because I'm not a retard who pays for streams. Hell, I bought a ticket to see a band (in person, mind you) that has double Suisei's listener count and that was $35. But that's worth it, as I can't pirate it.

>>20589687
If I can't pirate it then I'll pay it. Easy.

>>20589393
You're really going to flip your shit then when you find out how much someone's going to pay for that Gura statue.

>>20589495
>>20589623
Deranged.
Also, piracy is based. kill yourselves

this is a standard price in japan and doesn't look like big money for firstworlders. wasn't it for me being from a 2nd world shithole, extremely bad life RNG, statistically impossible unemployment and literally choosing between food and meds i'd probably pay for that too because i genuinely enjoy the show and have nothing to blame this company for so far. yes, i'd have like 3 days of non-stop live concerts in my country for the same price, but i'm not interested in them and the west hasn't come up with dancing/singing anime girls yet. i genuinely feel bad for pirating even though i do that regularly with movies or games.

>>20590623
anon, you know these girls rake in all kinds of money every day, right? You're not depriving them of anything

>>20590686
I'm not sure that a lot of people posting this stuff on this board fully realize that.
The ticket price is frankly very expensive for a livestream. You can be in a position where the cost of the ticket is entirely disposable to you and still not feel that it's worth the money, speaking as a Hololive fan.

>>20590686
it really is not about depriving. i'll never view piracy as theft, that's retarded. it's just whether the price and the company is fair and for now cover definitely is. it's not the case of "if i can take it for free i'll take it for free", it's the case of "it's so good i that i feel like they deserve it and i should repay the favour of entertaining me somehow". i tend to purchase stuff i've pirated previously for this exact reason - i feel that it's so good that it deserves my money.
cover won't go bankrupt without my pennies but i'll still feel like an absolute poorfag.

>>20590623
>this is a standard price in japan and doesn't look like big money for firstworlders
You kidding, right?
That's the price of an expensive ticket for a real life concert. It's clearly overpriced, even for Japan (and Japan overprice their shit because their salary are higher too).

People defending it are too far down the rabbit hole. I could go to a real concert cheaper. Sure it's not a huge amount of money but for what it is I'd rather buy something else.

>>20589393
100 is nothing to me I make that in like 3 hours after taxes, I want to support the industry

>>20589393
It's kind of a niche so event of this scale will need funding. Though I guess they should have gone with 25 a day and had more viewers.

>>20591088
No 6 hour concert in real life is $85 anon. When I saw Babymetal for $50 they only played for 100 minutes for instance.

>>20591213
>packs out an arena
>kinda niche

>>20591088
uniqueness applies. anime girls concerts are rare, ESPECIALLY for westerners. unless some actual competition appears they can charge even more because people will come anyway. worldwide-known bands charge more for shorter concerts and they (hololive) are putting out more hours and performers with every festival. not to mention that this time they had a large trump card which was en/id 3ds. it's a dick move for consumers, but it was the perfect opportunity to earn money, as the FOMO has never been more real and gaijins WILL pay for that.
not that nijisanji isn't a major rival, but that still boils down to two, maybe three companies, all very possibly with their own dedicated audiences who won't be interested in anything else.
you want to experience weeb culture - pay up.

>>20591250
Yeah, $50 for 100 minutes *in person*

>>20589393
It's like $86 my guy, if you can't afford it you can just wait for the torrent.

>>20591643
didn't have to wait long, anon

>>20591533
Yep, the acoustics were shit and people kept trying to mosh like fucking retards.

>>20591088
A cinema ticket is like £5 these days but you'd still spend a lot more if you decided to actually venture to one.

>>20589393
I mean they have to pay all the talents and staff somehow..

>>20592315
>he doesn't mosh
WEEEWOOOO MASSIVE FAGGOT ALERT

It's like 84 USD, so literally toilet paper to anybody who isn't third world and I like hololive so of course I'm going to support the concert so they do more of them.

>>20592840
I bet you spent those 84 USD on credit, kek

>>20592882
You're supposed to make all purchases with credit if you're actually paying it back

>>20592952
>he doesn't know

>>20592996
cope

>>20592882
I used my debit card

>>20589466
Why pay $100 when you can pay $0 for the same stream?

>>20592315
Hahaha holy shit do you really think those people were the retards and not you

>>20590623
Literally why would you feel bad for pirating?

Corporate Vtubing got out of hand... BIG TIME.
Literally any indie can do it. It takes FUCKING NOTHING to create a character, rig it and stream.
And yet Cover has made MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS out of this garbage.

A Vtuber corporation has to be one of the blatantly disproportionate businesses when it comes to cost-profit ratio.

Better than burning $4k a month on a gacha lmfao (i need help)

>>20594551
>Literally why would you feel bad for pirating?
i feel bad for pirating stuff which i deem worthy of my money and yet i don't have any money.
>Corporate Vtubing got out of hand... BIG TIME.
that's true, but that doesn't change anything.
>Literally any indie can do it. It takes FUCKING NOTHING to create a character, rig it and stream.
and yet none of them make mocap 3d streams or group idol shows.
>And yet Cover has made MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS out of this garbage.
once again, doesn't change anything.
>A Vtuber corporation has to be one of the blatantly disproportionate businesses when it comes to cost-profit ratio.
this. doesn't. change. anything.
it's very hard for me to become loyal to a brand ora company and yet cover is one of them. i genuinely like what they do and as a fan i consider using the less legal way embarassing.

>>20591088
Japanese salaries aren't high unless you're from some crushing poverty-tier shithole like Spain or Italy.

>>20594732
please have yourself committed to a mental asylum until you stop this madness
what would your oshi say?

I hate this retarded normalfaggot facebook sperg board for making the majority opinion here that piracy is bad
if you holonewfags looked at /t/ you may have a heart attack

>>20593537

Also the fact that the cost isn't worth what was given if the goal is for non JP members to watch their EN/ID Oshi debutes.

100 dollars for a ticket to physically show up and go to the shops and panels? Sure.

100 dollars for a stream that is going to be collectively like 20 mins of all the EN girls and the remaining 8 hours being people you don't understand? Fuck that shit.

>>20589393
Its cope, they want the attention they never had

>>20595822
nothing is more normal than thinking something is ok because everyone else is doing it

>>20589687
>And other lies I tell myself

>>20595951
Why the fuck do you care what people do with their moneys? They decide, not you.

>>20596160
Because this is the internet which they have to fucking listen to me because I am the only one who is right.

>>20596279
which means* Sorry i lost my self in my rage and forgot a word.

>>20596279
Who are you? Some jealous poor faggot being mad people wipe their ass with $100 bills?

>>20595516
I don’t think salaries in Japan/ Spain/ Italy are that different. 1500$ average

>>20596474
Someone who knows the difference between spending money, donating money, and lighting money on fire.

>>20591090
>real concert cheaper
what concert with the reach of Hololive has shows cheaper for 3 hours? real concerts tend to last only 45mins to 1 hour, (not counting openers) Hololive has no openers.

they are also a market leader so until other competitors enter the scene, don't expect that price to go any lower.
(Duopoly with 2434 is hardly competition, they can just handshake the price and call it a day)

>>20592840
motherfucker you didn't have to call me out like that anon.

i can pay it but couldn't clear my day for it, 85$ isn't that disposable here to pay without being sure i can enjoy it live.

>>20589687
>I make six figures
Anon, that trick with converting your currency to Argentina's only works for getting red supas.

Do
Holobros
...
wait for it...
..
.....
.........
DO THEY REALLY?!?

>>20595822
lmao no, facebook is filled with 3rd worlders who are shameless pieces of shit who are proud that they pirate.

>>20589393
If people would not have been willing to pay $100, they wouldn't have charged it.

>>20594551
>Corporate Vtubing got out of hand... BIG TIME.
The whole batmanesk costume display looks stupid and very expensive. Were the other two expos just as grandiose?

>>20597130
This is the first hololive expo. The other 2 were just concerts.

>>20596613
Aka you are poor. What the fuck do you even spend your moneys on? Only foods? You pirated all your entertainment?

I just leeched my roomies ticket. I would have just found a pirate stream if he didn't buy it.

$100 for someone with a good job in the west is literally nothing. Like if the books are off by a few hundred at the end of the month it’s not worth figuring out why you just write it off you’ll never notice it. These days just paying for shit saves me a few clicks and hassle which is worth a trivial amount of money. As soon as it becomes a hassle I’ll sail the high sea though

>>20589393
It's cheaper than a steak lol

People drop one and two hundred superchats for literally nothing in return all the time. $100 for 6 hours of entertainment is a great value by comparison.

If I don't pay how can I show /vt/ my receipt and laugh at poor people?

>hololive is pricing their shit equivalent to a pay-per-view fight

yeah fuck off, maybe if these girls beat the shit out of each other and trained for months on end to beat the shit out of each other i'd pay that much.

only beta cucks watch re-streams

>>20589687
>I only don't steal because the police will not let me do it
Human piece of trash

Psst it's only illegal if you get caught

>>20595249
>i feel bad for pirating stuff which i deem worthy of my money and yet i don't have any money.
I feel bad that my ancestors were able to conquer, pillage, steal, and rape whatever they wanted meanwhile I hate to pay for things with money. Fucking cringe

>Thread full of seething poor fags
You're complaining about spending as much as eating out with your friends at some mid tier, barely above average restaurant.

I mean piracy is not that bad. Being proud to be poor is another thing. What are these poorfags doing here anyway. Vtubers are for people with a lot of spare time and money anyway. You should just recycle trash and earn money from that since you guys seem to need the money desperately.

>>20589687
ruble?

>>20597268

In the last week? 60 on Elden ring, 80 something on the Assassin creed valhalla complete edition, 200 on a gaming chair, a upcoming 30 for the various memberships to holoEN girls.

Not being poor its not knowing what is actually worth the money. Maybe you're too retarded to understand you don't spend full price on something that you only wanted a portion of.

>>20600133
You actually give money to this shit?

Anybody here has a link for holofes day 2? I Found plenty for day 1 hours in advance but for some reason cant find shit for day 2.

>>20589393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTa2HxIsBPM

>>20600276
Anon, Assassin's Creed. Why

>>20600276
>paying for games
>buying a fucking gaming chair
>paying for memberships
For years it's been said that people who try to brag about spending money on the internet are jackasses. It's still true.

>>20589393
>Spending 2% of your monthly salary on one stream
You're right it is ridiculous.
I could just streamlabs that to Fulgur of Nijisanji instead

>>20589393
I never send supas so this is like a good way to feel good about supporting the girls

>>20600445

I made a mistake. I will not lie. I made it to village and oh my god it sucks. The good looking armor is in the cash shop and I am not paying for something that should of been in the game already.

>>20600502
Was called out. He got his answer. Not a case of bragging since I don't normally spend frivolously but usually buy things all at once and things I know I will actually get the full use out of.

>>20600280
Yes. Where do you even spend money on?

>>20589393
*80
and wtf do you care?
if everyone did what you were doing, we wouldnt have a holofes to watch
just enjoy

>>20600814
bro I only make 100 a week working as a sign flipper at the age of 37

fuck you

There is nothing wrong with pirating. If Cover can't provide a better service than pirates than Cover has failed as a service and as a (((corporation))).

>>20600814
Not on games, gaming chairs, and internet memberships.

>>20601412
>i dont have enough money because I mismanaged my life

>>20600814
Americans....

>>20591088
It’s a completely normal price for a concert ticket anon, wtf are you on. This just shows many of you here are new to the Japanese Liver scene.
I’ve been to dozens of concerts here in Japan, both offline and live viewings and they’re always around that price. A normal 2-3h offline idol/anisong live is around 8k-10k¥, it’s not that much money to spend on a hobby unless you make bare minimum, it’s not like there’s a Hololive live every month either. There’s also
Live viewings (either online or at a movie theater) range from 3k-7k depending on the company and what kind of live it is.

>>20601294
bro if you're really 37 and you're watching vtubers you're definitely the one who's fucked up

>>20601654
you'll get there eventually

>no way lol that will never be me
said everyone

Why are you guys mad that people are pirating/restreaming concerts? It’s their fault for streaming it anyway.

>>20601527
>thinking Gabe mismanaged his life
>I seriously hope you don't think this.jpg

>>20600814
gambling, pay per views, crypto. I'm a degenerate who prefers his money to make money if i'm spending it on something not being physically consumed.

>>20599596
Are you a child who didn't internet during the piracy boom or just a normie? Either way, it means this isn't a place for you

>>20601831
The only thing blocking you is literally having the funds to buy. $80 is fucking nothing. Not even close to 1 share of TSLA lmao

>>20602218
t.poorfag mismanaging his budget

>>20602218
>$80 is fucking nothing

t. Ghetto money brainlet

>>20601978
On the contrary, it means this isn't a place for YOU, because you are garbage. It is because of people with no morals like you that the world needs regulations. This isn't limited to stealing, this just shows you would eventually pretty much do anything if there was no law enforcement around like the animal with no self restraint you are.

You and all pirates should go watch chink vtubers where you belong, the japanese would look at you as sub human.

Remember guys. 80 is the same number as 0. I am rich, by the way! I have money!!!!!!

>>20600811
>The good looking armor is in the cash shop and I am not paying for something that should of been in the game already.
Lmfao Ubisoft fucking hates you man! Quit buying their games for god's sake

>>20602478
Stealing is the theft of property that denies another individual's access to it. It inherently only applies to physical goods. Creating copies of digital works deprives no one else of them, which is why it's copyright infringement, as well as a victimless crime.

Also you're a faggot.

Tell me when I can pay for Holofes with Good Boy Points, right now I can only exchange them for tendies and Google Play gift cards for gacha.

>>20589463
This lol

>>20600276
>Maybe you're too retarded to understand you don't spend full price on something that you only wanted a portion of.
and maybe you are too retarded to understand that the people who paid actually see it as something that worth the amount. I find you spending shit on a gaming chair as retarded as fuck but so what, it is your business not mind. You need to learn that it is someone else’s money, they can spend it however they like, they are the one that determine whether something is worth it or not, not you. You trying to preach about “oh it is not worth it, this is not the value of a $100” just reek of jealousy from being poor.

>>20589393
There are people choosing to support entertainers they enjoy.

>>20603762
You do know I was shit posting about caring what people do with their money right?

>Because this is the internet which they have to fucking listen to me because I am the only one who is right.

This post is me literally making a joke about the internet and how everyone expects others to do what they say?

My original post is my saying if someone intention for the holo fes is to only watch EN on livestream then a $100 is too much.

Either you took the shitposting too seriously or you seem to have a chip on your shoulder and trying to use me to justify why you spent so much money on the stream.

>>20589393
>people are paying $500 for a superchat when you can buy it for $5

>>20599999
digits wasted on a shit opinion, jesus christ

>>20604985
The anime girl only reads your name at 100 and up though!

>>20608893
Same could be said about wasting digits to make that reply. Yet here you are. Also wtf does the lord have to do with any of this?

>>20596904
You broke fags are overestimating how much six figures is when that's the absolute minimum to be able to afford property.

>People sending red supa's all the time
No one bats an eye
>Spending money to see them perform at there best for a special event that comes once per year
"Reeeee, wtf is wrong with you?!?" The absolute cope of the poor.

>>20589687
>I make six figures
>implying that's a lot of money
How does it feel being middle class?

>>20609807 (me)
Sorry
>at their*

>>20589393
it's not that much Marine-chan. I pirate a lot of things too by the way.

You don't spend money because you have more options, security, and time when you have money. People who blow their money on stupid bullshit always end up living paycheck to paycheck at a job they hate.

>>20589393
I'm paying $100 to restream it to all my poor frens

>>20609823
>making 6 figure isn't a lot of money to burgers
How fucked is your economy? When did inflation get this bad? The dollar shouldn't be THAT weak right now.

>>20610911
>Dollar
>Weak

Now who would take things without paying for them..? I think there's a word for these kinds of people... Thiefs, yeah that was it.
And those people that have lots of money but are always cheating others out of their money? What was it..? Ah yes, misers.
Lots of thieves and misers in this thread.

>>20592840
Do you know what the word literally means anon?

>>20610911
It is Ayame poster is just a NEET or someshit that doesn't understand money.

>>20608893
It's true though

>>20601294
Well yeah. I guess you needed to pirate it. It seems that you don't have the means to purchase. There are a ton of people buying it anyway and I doubt the girls are going to suffer for it - 1000% they already profited from in in ticket sales alone then you have merch.

>>20601869
>gambling
>crypto
You know those things are hit or miss and most are NGMI.

>>20589393
It's not a lot... that's like 1 day of wagie work for me and I live in a 3rd world country.

>>20612740
100 bucks is about a years worth of entertainment budget for me, I can't be dealing with it.

>>20612740
Same but rent is 1.5k, net 200, food 400, eletricity water gas 500 and after that having to save almost 30% to give to the government. 100 is a bimester budget of entertainment

>>20589393
Usually you'd be right that 1 yen is about 1 cent, but the yen is currently depreciated to a six year low at the moment. So it was only $85.

>>20601572
100%, 4.5-5.5k per day is normal for an online live viewing. All these crying anons making me think they're charging 10k per day and not for the weekend pass.

>>20600276
Dang anon, you wasted 280 dollars. Giving money to Ubisoft and falling for the gaming chair meme are true sins.
Get a high end chair.

>>20609823
Minium wage ($15) at full time is around 31k before taxes for a year. You can do the basic math from that right?

>>20602478
Retard spotted

>>20589393
>not pirating holofes and giving that extra $100 to your holo-oshi as a superchat instead

>>20616952

It's a pretty good chair. It's not one of those chairs with keybinding. It's those high back ones with a lot cushion and back support plus a foldable leg rest.

Assassin creed was definitely a waste but the chair is amazing.

>>20618990
(me)

Not one of those chairs with keyboards and keybinding mousepads*

>>20595249
It changes everything, anon. You should realize that they are not worthy of your money, instead of feeling bad for not giving some whore money to fuck their bf

>>20619498
>I think stuffing my ass with nigger dick is worth my money, and you all are wrong if you disagree with my anal desires instead of having your own opinions on how to spend your money

>>20601978
>this isn't a place for you
Now I know you're larping. Anyone keeping up the sekrit club bullshit has only been here for at least 4 years or less. Become an hero.

>>20589463
imagine can't afford $100

>>20593537
bragging right

ITT "they" try convincing you to keep your money in banks

>>20618639
>$100 isn't a lot and I can just buy the ticked and streamlabs them later

dirty thieving poorfags coping
kys

>>20589393
>Imagine donating an akasupa just to get your chat message read

>>20621772
Sorry anon I have a vegetable for a President so things which used to cost $100 now cost $1,000 prease andastand

>>20611047
I pirate Gura's member streams to spite her for being an American

Yes goyim pay a hundo to watch 7 minutes of your oshi 3d lipsynching pre recorded shit while uour gas prices sky rocket. Also buy the black or white tshirt they sported at the encore!

So many seeds and peers on the torrent, more than I've seen for anything else on Nyaa outside of shonen stuff. And it's not like Cover can or will do anything about it, even for USA/Canada poors and their draconian laws. The only thing stopping someone from stealing it is morality. And clearly many people don't have them.

You guys have morals, don't you?

>>20621845
Do you actually talk to other people about this?

There are worse things to spend money on like merch via GeekJack or Sana's membership.

>nooooo those damn boomers are the reason I live in a pod and eat bugs
>but sure let me give these 85 bucks to watch 3 minutes of not-gura
Scammed and proud

>>20624946
>stealing
Fuxk off jew

>>20625626

hey man you can say bad words if you want, we're all friends here

>>20589393
None of you fags will tell me where to watch for free so of course im paying

>>20623741
Joey's dementia hasn't affected me that much.

>>20628147
faunaiscute

Yeah and they put the long awaited Holo Myth 3D debut behind that $100 paywall.
People trying to say it’s the same as Marine or Flare getting theirs for Holofes. No, that’s different than the entire 1st Gen of EN debuting behind a paywall. It’s kind of fucked up.

>>20625247
yes

>>20628341
I wish I knew what the link was. I watched day 1 thanks to that guy.

>>20623741
Sorry to hear that comrade. I'm sure the ruble is going to recover and Botan will welcome your superchat with open arms!

>>20597087
How many more people would be willing to spend $50? Retard point

>>20625415
Hey fuck you, geekjack is the only place I can buy the merch from and the shipping is no more than Buyee!

>>20632704
Ruble will be the new ARS for years to come. We will finally be able to VPN into Russia and donate red supas for $2

>>20628492
a pseudo-anonymous image board doesn't count

>>20593537
Who's gonna be the one pirating if everyone pays $0

>>20621772
I can afford $100 AND still won't pay for a stream

>>20612816
>>20613435
>>20604985
>>20600621
>>20589686
>>20589463
>>20589393
t.SEA monkey

>>20633494
Until they somehow make the stream interactive, whats the point?

>>20625898
I did

>>20632768
>How many more people would be willing to spend $50?
Apparently not enough people to justify lowering the price to $50. Retard question

>>20633494
Rent free lol