/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20460329
All i know is OP is a collosal dick sucking faggot

>>20460329
She has American blood in her, ...FREEDOM!

>>20460329
After thinking about it, OP is a massive faggot.

>>20460329
After thinking about it, OP should jump in front of train

>>20460329
>After thinking about it
and other lies you can tell yourself

She barely makes any money off her streams now, top kek, woman are just naturally retarded

she's happy, free, and set for life in terms of money

not every is about maximizing profits

>>20460372
>>20460391
>>20460427
Your oshi is boring now cope

>>20460467
>set for life in terms of money
yeah by mooching off Kanata

>>20460329

She literally makes loads more money now that she doesn't have to sign away a portion of her earnings to Cover and doesn't have to worry about management keeping her on such a tight leash anymore.

Hololive barred her from doing basically most of the shit that she wanted to do.

>>20460329
She really really is

if she was genuinely unhappy with her place in Hololive she wasnt stupid for leaving, tormenting yourself when you already have the money to survive isn't healthy mentally and probably wouldve caused her problems down the line.

>>20460507
Lmao no

>>20460507
Given how kson usually pays for kanatans food even until now i doubt it

>>20460487
Not even my oshi now Try harder with your bait. Chang chong Chinkie

it was really stupid to leave a company that completely ostracized her and hung her out to dry when she was their biggest money maker for no financial penalty. what a moron she was for doing this

>>20460711
>>20460583
You made your own narrative and treat them as facts

>>20460329
Nah she made the right move by leaving a toxic environment

>>20460761
but she literally said she was unhappy with herself in Hololive and she was leaving for more selfish reasons.

>>20460761
What fucking narrative? That's literally what happened.

>>20460541
Less money actually being less known Indie mean no sponsors lel.

>>20460895
Lol shes gotten for more sponsors as kson that your average midtier holo including ones from intel.
I think shes doing good and more money than she will ever need

>>20460329
No, cover is retarded for graduating an entire branch just to save her, when she decided to leave just a few months later anyway
she betrayed cover for letting them do it, instead of just resigning earlier

>>20461007
imagine a world where Gura is doing Chinese Duolingo streams

>>20460990
Given how insulated and secluded coco was after the taiwan yab i doubt any sponsor would cover even endorse for her. Heck they wont even let holoEN near her until she announced graduation

>>20460665
Cope

>>20461007
they cut the cn branch because as soon as the taiwan yab happened it became a rotting limb that couldn't be saved, so the least they can do is try and retain coco for the income (but still treat the human behind her like a tumour)

>>20461184
Seethe and dilate chink. Artia will forever be known as the fugly hammerhead bitch that got her anus enlarged everyday by xinjiang prison camp guards

>>20461007
fuck you zhang, that branch was more poisonous than the bat soup you eat

>>20460454
>She barely makes any money off her streams now, top kek, woman are just naturally retarded

>>20460329
She is not retarded for choosing freedom over money.

>le no monies now that she's indie
You niggas can't be that stupid. 30 seconds of searching shows that she's pulled in nearly $19k (~$13k) just in the last week. And that's only supas, not to mention any ad rev or sponsor money from that midom site if she's still using it.
I'd say she was smart to leave on such good terms, she now doesn't have a Japanese corpo breathing down her neck, and left the door open to come back for events, however unlikely.

>>20461275
You expect /vt/ to look things up before they talk? You expect too much

>>20460329
>Zhang thread
it surprises me that chinks are even allowed to use the internet with daddy Xi in office

>>20460541
>She literally makes loads more money now that she doesn't have to sign away a portion of her earnings to Cover
>source: my ass
Her income is slowly but surely decreasing. According to her own words and those of other holos superchat was but a fraction of their earnings and merchandise earned the most.
>Hololive barred her from doing basically most of the shit that she wanted to do.
What's that? Showing her naked ass onstream and playing the exact same flavor of the month shit like henry stickmin that all corpo vtubers play? Name 1 thing she's done that she couldn't do as a holo besides showing her ass.

>>20461275
>>20461385
She could be making more, kek that’s a ‘one night blow it all on a party’ money.

>>20461896
She already has more superchats than holos that have been streaming on the same account for 3 years.
>Muh ass
Oh so you’re that retard, stay obsessed lol

>>20461962
You have to be 18 or older to post here

>>20461962
are you possibly retarded?

>>20460329
・ホロメンとreddit以外のコラボさせない
・ホロライブENとコラボを禁止させる。桐生ココの名前すら呼ばせない
・本人の提案した企画は全て却下する
・Twitterの友人Aの配信スケジュールに桐生ココを載せない
・公式による配信スケジュールが確認出来るWebサイト『ホロジュール』に桐生ココの配信だけ載らない
・公式配信(ゆくホロ)や公式動画(ホロぐら)に出さない
・モデレーターを雇ったりリスナーにスパナ権限を渡す事を許可しない(他のメンバーはやっていた)
・本人から渡された中国人荒らし荒らしリスト全てモデレーターに追加する
・モデレーター事件の対応を全て桐生ココ一人に押し付け放置
・7月1日の中国共産党結党100周年に合わせて卒業ライブ
・公式HP･Twitter共に撤退したはずの中国に向けて真っ先に卒業を発表

運営へのお気持ち
・モデレーターを用意してくれない、自費で雇うと言っても却下された
・視聴者にモデレーター権限渡したいと言っても却下
・運営に荒らしリスト提出したらそれをモデレーターにされた
・闇組織助けて(縦読み)

・卒業理由は殆ど言えない、何を話しますか?と聞かれ言えることありますか?と聞いたら黙った
・今は(卒業発表後)配信を監視されてる(アーカイブ編集される)
・プレゼントのチェック「だけ」は感謝している
・運営と方向性が違う、ファンの方を向いてない
・ホロメンみんなが苦しんでいるけどファンのために耐えてる
・あれもダメ、これもダメ全て却下される
・例えば5人くらいチェックする人がいてその5人が企画絶対通さないおじさん、アンチ、アンチ、アンチ、アンチ
・ホロライブENとコラボしたかったけど運営で阻止してる人がいた。配信外ではよくENのみんなと話してた
・アメリアからコラボできるようになりましたコラボしましょうって連絡が来たのでRedditに誘った
・卒業発表後急にみんなからコラボの誘いがきだした。誘いやすくなったのかな?
・今はすごい楽しい、やりたいことを全てさせて貰ってる(卒業発表以前はさせて貰えず笑顔を失って行った)
・私が1番好きな配信はホロライブのみんなとのコラボでした
・自分の状況とホロメンの状況を比べてしまう。ホロメンと自分を嫌いになる前に辞めることにした
・日に日に笑顔を失っていってそれを見てファンが離れるのを避けたかった
・ホロぐらはもう一生出れないと思ってた

>>20460329
She made the right move. Fuck Cover.

>>20461896
>>20462000
post clip of kson ass?

>>20460329
No use in being part of a corporation that eats into your revenue when you can make it alone. Corpococksuckers are mentally ills.

>>20461878
Chang chong chings bitter that theyre not part of holofes and they still blame coco for it. Please understand

>>20462129
add the salt to the wound, EN branch is participating in it, something their garbage branch never did

>>20462000
>Point out that she's slowly but steadily losing income because she can't retain interest without holo collab partners and that the numbers show this
>deflect by talking about other holos which is irrelevant to the point being argued
>doesn't refute that all she's been doing is the same exact shit that corporate vtubers do, chasing the exact same trends just deflects by saying that there's nothing wrong with showing her naked ass onstream
Those aren't arguments.

>>20461962
>you niggas can't be that stupid
>immediately type up this room temp IQ response

Buddy you can just say you miss the dragon tits. We all do, but is time to move on.

>>20461275
Take into account that even if she made double this revenue in Holo, she’d have a net decrease.

chinese are to this day saying the bombing of their embassy in sarajevo was deliberate.
I don't entirely blame Coco for trying to move away from illogical chink hateboners.

>>20460329
>leave Hololive
>free to do whatever she wants
>free to make friends with whoever she wants
>still making boatloads of money from superchats and memberships
>remaining holobronies and zhangs are trying to shit on her for leaving despite Cover clearly suppressing her and failing to defend her from antis
This board unanimously ragged on Cover's management before her graduation, but after it, suddenly they're in the right and she's in the wrong? Why the hell should she have stayed?

>>20462687
>still making boatloads of money from superchats and memberships
don;t forget her own merch and sponsors/collabs, something she was denied in hololive for no apparent reason

>>20462687
Well, it's either leave the company and become a legend or stay long enough and end up becoming matsuri 2.0

>>20462372
Nothing in your post is true, if anything her revenue is increasing since she just got an award for being the channel with the most memberships on mildom.

I’m not going to spoonfed you in regards to her content either, you should just stick to english vtubers anyway.

I FUCKING MISS THIS ORANGE DRAGONS FAT TITS AND ASS AND I WANT HER TO COME BACK AND CRUSH MY SKULL TO PIECES WITH HER GIGANTIC FUCKING DUMP TRUCK DRAGON ASS

>>20462042
ksonschizos will ignore your post, don't lose your time.

>>20462042
source of your bullshit or this is just a fanfic mingled with half-truths

>>20463168

>>20462687
Holobronies on here are batshit insane sometimes. I don't like what she does now and she's hanging out with all the wrong people, but leaving Cover really was a no brainer. Management was essentially begging her to go solo and reap the profits of her success herself. They've made mistake after mistake to the point where you have to believe it was intentional sabotage. I fucking miss that dragon, but she was left with no choice, really.

>>20463168

>>20463422
she talked about everything in this list on her membership, you can check the official hololive channel to match the facts too.

>>20463720
she has not, you dumb fuckwit, she never disclosed any of it, other than that metaphor of "cover want to play pop, but i want to do rock" aka "creative differences"
that's why i named your post fanfic with half-truths, cause some points are true, but most are just blatant fanfiction.

>>20463168

>>20463720
She did not, also the "published graduation announcement in CN first" thing is a lie, which calls the entire list into question to anyone who isn't a retard. All of the announcements went out simultaneously, and the filenames of the announcements are ordered 1.JP, 2.EN, 3.CN as they should be.

>>20460329
Leaving Hololive was her only choice to curb the zhang plague. She was a messiah who sacrificed her career in Hololive to save her friends.

>>20460454
Cover doesn't take half her money anymore.

>>20460487
My oshi is still very comfy while still remaining honest.

>>20460507
It's Kanata's who's mooching off Coco or "Friend C". Without Coco's behind the scenes antics stories, she is nothing.

>>20460583
She made the wise decision. Better to leave than going menhera. Look at what happens to menheras like Rushia.

>>20461007
>No, cover is retarded for graduating an entire branch just to save her
Depressed Nousagi DEBUNKED this. Originally CN was just going to be transferred to another company while keeping their avatars. But Artia fucked up.

>>20461896
>Her income is slowly but surely decreasing.
Source: My ass. Kson also has her own merch and sponsorship.
>Showing her naked ass onstream
For the last time, WHY ARE ZHANGS SO OBSESSED WITH HER ASS?! ARE YOU BUGBRAINS ALL TSUNDERE FOR HER?

>>20462391
pls andastand he only knows about influencers on instagram

>>20463168

>>20464153
>Leaving Hololive was her only choice to curb the zhang plague. She was a messiah who sacrificed her career in Hololive to save her friends.
>messiah who sacrificed her career to save her friends
>didn't quit during the bug shit storm causing the Bugs to shit on Hololive in the first place
>Cover threw chink money and investors away to keep Coco
>Coco leaves anyway after all the shit Cover did to keep her
KEK LMAO
The reason chink antis still exist is because she didn't leave when she made the zhangs mad.
She's a hero who cares about her friends alright.

>>20460329
and after 9 months of her graduation, this bait is as effective as ever
shows how many newfaggots, redditors, tourist and zoomers come here everyday...

>>20463168
this tbqh

always on point~

>>20464791
Leaving was inevitable because of the zhang harassment and managerial incompetence. Remember, Cover accidentally modded FUCKING WUMAO FILTH into her membership, destroying it. And anytime she collabed, bugbrains harassed her partners. This is what made her realise that to protect her friends, she had no choice but to graduate. And what a spectacular graduation it was. Going out as a universally loved martyr.

And look at Coco and China now. Coco is revered as a hero and a legend, belonging with Kizuna Ai in the Vtuber Hall of Fame. While China was utterly shamed as an entire nation of unstable menheras. Seriously, if a nation has absurd laws like "Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people", they are a ticking time bomb.

And throwing Chink money away was a Chad Move, considering Winnie went insane with power. Cover has HoloEN now, and YAGOO himself said that they had money to last decades.

>>20464796
Her fanbase here in 4chan are less redditors and more /pol/acks

>>20465692
>Her fanbase here in 4chan are less redditors and more /pol/acks
You sure it's not the 3rd-world seaniggs farming (you) just for the dopamine since they can't shitpost ollie anymore?

>>20460329
yes

>>20460329
Tatsunokos or whatever her fanbase is called now will never accept the fact their Oshi is... average.
Only redeemable factor was her supportive role and 3D streams, and unless she's doing 3dpd while doxxing other holos there's nothing else innovative when compared to fucking Ame of all people.

Taiwan is a country and Winnie the Pooh can suck my honey seasoned cock.

>>20467498
>while doxxing other holos
Those two post more selfies than kson

>>20467498
>ame
who?

>>20466462
Every Coco thread here inevitably turns into a wumao vs /pol/ack war, what did you expect?

>>20467498
>their Oshi is... average
Then why is she in the Vtuber Hall of Fame? And Ame would have remained a nobody if it wasn't for Coco (Mother of HoloEN)
>doxxing other holos
That's Rushia.

>>20460329
Coco > KSON
Change my mind.

>>20468591
happy Kson > sad Coco
if you meant early 2020 Coco then i agree

>>20464153
>For the last time, WHY ARE ZHANGS SO OBSESSED WITH HER ASS?! ARE YOU BUGBRAINS ALL TSUNDERE FOR HER?
Because only whores show their ass onstream.

>>20467933
It's because 3rd world seaniggs want to be like China but they can't.

>>20468591
this tbqh
but good for her as long as she's having fun

>>20465692
>Leaving was inevitable
Then why screw Cover over in the first place by making them disown Bug money, pissing off investors and a million zhangs?? Also the reason her friends got shit on by zhangs was because she didn't want to quit. She's no hero. It was just inevitable as you said.

>Coco leaves Hololive because of Chinks and becomes a hero
Instead;
>Coco leaves Hololive after Cover threw away the CN branch(who cares) and billions of chink dollars to keep her
Coco's a cunt.

>Coco's a hero and legend
According to who? Reddit? Twitterfags? Ironic weebs? EOPs? Trash taste?

>Chad Move
>can't get permissions for games like Genshin, Konami stuff and others
LMAO Enjoy your minecraft and Jump King reruns retard.
>Cover has money to last decades
Cover not Hololive.

You wil never be chinese no matter how much you shit on coco, yellow monleys.

>multiple anti coco threads
>anti kronii threads
>multiple holo hate threads
HoloFES is tomorrow. Expect a shit ton of holo shitposts from nijis. Now that their head troon got suspended, he and his dumb mooks are likely shitting up the board out of spite.

>>20469067
Nipplesanji... I know Holofes is tomorrow but don't get too Jealous and salty alright?

>>20469291
Ironic since Coco's a chink herself.

>>20460454
>over a quarter million dollars a year AFTER all cuts & taxes is 'barely any money'.

>>20469067
>LMAO Enjoy your minecraft and Jump King reruns retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsAkJCtj86c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCOPytImr6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_E_D3s8qMk
I don't watch hololive so who cares lol
Luv' my gundam autist

>>20469329
kek to this day nipplesanji is still salty about Hololive's success. Seriously why are they so insecure about their "Livers"

>>20469067
>screw Cover over in the first place
Cover screwed her FIRST.

>Coco leaves Hololive after Cover threw away the CN branch(who cares) and billions of chink dollars to keep her
>Coco's a cunt.
Coco is based, the Zhang market was a ticking time bomb due to Xi's insanity.

>Coco's a hero and legend
>According to who? Reddit? Twitterfags? Ironic weebs? EOPs? Trash taste?
She was a martyr who did nothing wrong, helped Vtubing spread globally, died as a martyr, and her death exposed how much of scumbags the Zhangs were

>Chad Move
>can't get permissions for games like Genshin, Konami stuff and others
>LMAO Enjoy your minecraft and Jump King reruns retard.
We have stuff like Elden Ring, and chinktrash are mediocre gambling pits anyway

>Cover has money to last decades
>Cover not Hololive.
They're the fucking same. YAGOO can sustain hololive for another decasde. If they had no money they wouldn't even have the balls to fire Rushia.

>Your entire post
Go back to your oil gutters Zhang.
>Verification not required

>>20469373
I like Hololive, retard. I just don't like how Coco's considered the second coming of Jesus when she screwed Hololive and her friends over

>>20469412
Good for you.

>>20469329
>>20469373
>>20469497
Tell me why /vt/ don't rangeban SEAmonkeys yet

It's chinks who should be rangebanned and sent back behind their firewall. If you love your country, follow its laws first you bugbrains.

>>20469521
>Cover screwed her FIRST.
Give me an example. I already posted mine.

>Zhang market was a ticking time bomb
Probably. But the investors and game companies think otherwise.

>She was a martyr who did nothing wrong, helped Vtubing spread globally, died as a martyr, and her death exposed how much of scumbags the Zhangs were
>did nothing wrong
LMAO. She didn't quit to save her friends. She quit months later because she didn't know how bad the zhangs were affecting her friends. She's a cunt.
>helped Vtubing spread globally
I hope you're not the ones shitting on Vshoujo, trash taste, twitterfags, ironic weebs, lazy vlubers and Mori because she's the reason they exists.
>exposed how much of scumbags the Zhangs were
Nice sentence, ESL. Everyone knew the Zhangs were scum ages ago. Coco didn't expose shit.

>We have stuff like Elden Ring, and chinktrash are mediocre gambling pits anyway
>gambling pits
>an easy way to earn SCs
Nice way to screw your friends over by not letting them earn easy money

>Your entire post
>Go back to your oil gutters Zhang.
>Verification not required
>All that /r/eddit spacing
Not an argument. Go back, retard.

>>20470359
ogey

https://youtu.be/QIbt7cMq6Fk?t=1738
hololive don't deserve someone this based

>>20461962
Literally every person I see that posts kek is retarded

>>20470359
>Give me an example. I already posted mine.
MODDING ZHANGS INTO HER MEMBERSHIP. It was the moment that made her cry on livestream, and when she began planning her graduation.

>But the investors and game companies think otherwise.
with Xi's current policies those investors are idiots.

>She quit months later because she didn't know how bad the zhangs were affecting her friends. She's a cunt.
What choice did she have? If she stayed the Zhangs would have harassed Hololive even further. these disgusting bugbrains wanted her to an hero on stream.

>I hope you're not the ones shitting on Vshoujo, trash taste, twitterfags, ironic weebs, lazy vlubers and Mori because she's the reason they exists.
I don't care about them., I'm just happy hololive had expanded internationally, and with Western money they can survive indefinitely. All thanks to coco.

>Nice way to screw your friends over by not letting them earn easy money
Integrity is better than money. Ask Fubuki. And they have enough EN money to survive a decade. YAGOO HIMSELF said this.

>Your entire post
>Go back to your oil gutters Zhang.
>Verification not required
>All that /r/eddit spacing
>Not an argument. Go back, retard.
BUG B GON. Did you forget the rules of /vt/?
>1: This board is for the discussion of Virtual YouTubers ("VTubers"), including those streaming in Japanese, English, and other languages. VTubers don't necessarily need to be on Youtube of course
>2: Please note that discussion should pertain to a VTuber's streams and content, and should not pertain to their real lives, relationships, or appearances ("IRL").
and the Unwritten Rule,
>3: In order to have a proper discussion wherein we can criticise Kiryu Coco, you have to sign Taiwan is a Country and Xi can suck my Dick.

>>20471074
BASED

>>20469067
>Then why screw Cover over in the first place by making them disown Bug money, pissing off investors and a million zhangs??
Imagine believing this bug narrative when the truth was explained to all her fans, in English even.

>>20471074
>MODDING ZHANGS INTO HER MEMBERSHIP. It was the moment that made her cry on livestream, and when she began planning her graduation.
No that happened a month later when upper management killed her new show idea.

>>20469411
if you make 100k in SF, you're making below median income. So yea, not that much money for someone who's supposedly famous

>>20471403
s-she's starving guys!! hololive saver her p-please!!

>>20471357
>when upper management killed her new show idea
Coco would not cry with just having a project cancelled. She tolerated having AsaCoco cancelled. She tolerated getting banned from HoloEN, even when everyone wanted a Coco-EN collab (it was her creation after all). I know her, she is one tough motherfucker. But the constant incompetence on how Cover managed her situation kept on escalating, until around January/February when that accident happened when Zhangs got modded, destroyed her membership, and got major tatsunokos banned. That was the last straw, and that was when Coco wept and decided to graduate for the sake of her friends.

Glad she left. This place is a hellhole. Would rather my waifu be free and happy than surrounded by these freaks.

>>20471980
You do know that after that "last straw" she hit 1 million subs requested a long-term reward for doing so (that pajama outfit), right? She wasn't planning on leaving until March. She literally said so.

>>20468833
fags don't understand what it's like to watch their favorite vtuber, who is slowly having less and less fun, forcing herself to smile and create content for us while she suffers underneath.

>>20468981
fuck I would do anything to get to lick her asshole, I wanna run my tongue across her buttcrack and circle it around her rims smell it and then plunge my tongue inside

>>20471403
>quarter million after all cuts & taxes just in supas
>if you make 100k
anon... she's making a lot more than 100k

>>20461130
no ones taking this into account for some reasons in these arguments. she was effectively black listed from collab events and sponsors. whats the point of being corpo when you dont get to use any of the benfits? objectively, she was being ass fucked by management and handing over half her supas to them. she mightve been able to wait it out, but a kson rebrand likely was better than months of stagntion

Smells like dirty yellow bugs in here.

>>20472970
she had more sponsorships in the last three months as indie than the entirety of her Coco career, let that sink in

>>20460329
She made as much as she felt she needed to and still makes a really good income even now, and wanetd to walk away. Sometimes it happens. Actors that stop doing big movies once they get famous, bands that break up at their height of their popularity, athletes that retire early. Not common but sometimes people are just done, accomplished all they wanted to or could do, and want to move on.

>>20472428
Hitting 1M isn't worth it if you're already mindbroken. Look at Rushia. The world's most superchatted vtuber, and she lost everything due to her mental illness. At least Coco still managed to leave with a sane mind while recovering 1M post-graduation, it's like a resurrection.

>>20473215
Rushia was always crazy even before she joined.

>>20460329
Easy (you)s OP

>>20469408
shes a gook

>>20472890
Did you go to school? A quarter million is 250k. I can pull 3 random guys off the streets and they will have a larger combined income than her, doing fucking office work.

>>20460329

>>20460329
>She's retarded for leaving the company that left her out to dry and allowed Chinks to harrass and threaten her for half a year

>>20460329
Did she join vshoujo already?

>>20474965
She's closer to VOMS and PrismProject

>>20461962
shouldn't you be in class?

>>20474872
Wow what about Mortage? what about the doctors? can their 250+k buy them a Coffin?

>>20474872
She said she makes 150k a month

>>20464153
>She was a messiah who sacrificed her career in Hololive to save her friends.
Not exactly, from what she said what she was looking to save was her relationship with the people in Hololive. She didn't have as many opportunities as them (because of zhang harassment) and was growing resentful, and didn't want to keep going this way. According to her the "taiwan yab" wasn't made to cover Haachama, so if you believe her with that it's mostly bad luck/bad planning on her part, and a smart choice about relationships. In 20 years the people from Hololive will still be influential, and will remember her well, same for her. On the other hand the zhang hate will probably still be somewhere else. Sacrificing long term friendship for probably nothing (a bit more money? I'm not even sure) wouldn't have been worth it. She's been called the smartest by many people in Hololive, and she made a smart choice. She just didn't have any "good" options/.
I miss her but I'm glad she's doing fine now

>>20461130
>>20472970
This is precisely one of the reasons she left, she didn't want to be jealous of other members over stuff like that

>>20460329
more like she took this retarded decision to protect her friends
stop sucking dicks and read the room, chink senpai

>>20475349
>Not exactly, from what she said what she was looking to save was her relationship with the people in Hololive. She didn't have as many opportunities as them (because of zhang harassment) and was growing resentful
This is how sane people operate. Get out before you go menhera. Coco did that, and Rushia failed to do that.

>According to her the "taiwan yab" wasn't made to cover Haachama, so if you believe her with that it's mostly bad luck/bad planning on her part
Everything points to how the Taiwan yab was an accident, we all know that. But now because of these filthy bugbrains Haachama had to live with the guilt of Coco's graduation.

>On the other hand the zhang hate will probably still be somewhere else.
China is a hazardous time bomb since their cartoon bear looking God-Emperor lost his mind. This was the same faggot who encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine and start World War III.

>Sacrificing long term friendship for probably nothing (a bit more money? I'm not even sure) wouldn't have been worth it. She's been called the smartest by many people in Hololive, and she made a smart choice. She just didn't have any "good" options
True. Coco had no choice but to resign.

>>20462042
>believing 5ch rrat

>>20460329
This! A thousand times this! I have been same thoughts lately. Good to see threads like this showing I'm not the only one. But hey! She can always come back. ANd if she is smart and is able to put her ego a little low, she might be able to do it.
Her leaving was also the reason my oshi started loosing motivation. Fuck that. Coco come back!!!!!!!!!

I hate chinks so much it is unreal.

>>20462687
>free to make friends with whoever she wants
holos can do that too. or are you talking about collabs with males? yeha that nux collab was kino right zoomer? and then who else oh the trash taste podcast wow kino right? oh she can't collab with holo, but thats ok who even cares. kys

>>20479017
Holos need permission from management to be friends with people, unironically.

>>20479017
mental ill unicorn, i bet you harass matsuri and towa too

>>20460329
this was apparent to anyone who wasn't either hellbent on tribalfagging, or incapable of seeing anything beyond obsessing over zhang faggotry.
>>20464153
>muh messiah
no. solidly false, just like everything else in the rrats about her.
>c-cover doesn't take half her money!
instead she's making half as much, top kek.
>n-no, kanata has no merits of her own coco is the most amazing best thing in the universe
oh. you really are a delusional ex-tatsu. your ilk need the highest doses of meds.
>she made the wise decision, throwing away her career, better than going <user of 2ch's mental health board>
I highly doubt she's /here/ OR /there/, no amount of ass kissing is going to get you into her bed.
>some nobody DEBUNKED <anything at all>
medicate.
>t-the zhangs! THE ZHANGS! anyone who is critical of her is a zhang AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MEDS. NOW.

>>20478109
>believing 4chan lol

>>20480052
you are literally the only person on this board who says ex-tatsu, you think we wont notice this samezhangery???????????????????????????

i want to lick and sniff her ASS

>>20480052
>no. solidly false, just like everything else in the rrrats about her.
It was you Zhangs who made her a martyr and hero in the eyes of the world. Now she comes off as a hero and you a race of disugsting mentally ill bugbrains. This is why we call her Jesus and you bugs.
>instead she's making half as much, top kek
And retaining more of the income, so it balances out
>oh. you really are a delusional ex-tatsu. your ilk need the highest doses of meds.
It was through Coco that Kanata rose to popularity in the first place, way back during Gen 4's debut
>I highly doubt she's /here/ OR /there/, no amount of ass kissing is going to get you into her bed.
I don't care, I adore Coco for her efforts and I extremely HATE China.
>medicate.
>MEDS.. NOW
Take some neurogenesis meds for the brain damage caused by your gutter oil bat soup diet
>t-the zhangs! THE ZHANGS! anyone who is critical of her is a zhang AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Only one response to you disgusting filthy bugbrains: EXTERMINATVS

>>20465692
>Coco is revered as a hero and a legend
...you don't actually think that, do you? because holy shit no she isn't. just some else whose time in hololive will be missed despite how rarely she put out actually worthwhile content in between being a cringelord, because she was actually good with her colleagues.
>Kizuna Ai
>Vtuber Hall of Fame
now there's a joke.
>>20467498
ex-tatsus are delusional as fuck, after all.
>>20467933
>Then why is she in the Vtuber Hall of Fame?
she isn't. there isn't even a vtuber hall of fame to be in, you delusional cuck.
>>20469067
ogey zhang. go have some more bat soup and stay on your side of the great firewall.
>>20469521
>She was a martyr who did nothing wrong, helped Vtubing spread globally, died as a martyr,
christ, these delusions. take your goddamned meds.
>>20471074
>she started planning to quit when j-"chad" showed being inept!
and if that's the case, it makes it all the sadder that so much effort went into her defense after that, because she was already planning to piss it all a way.
>If she stayed the Zhangs would have harassed Hololive even further.
>>he doesn't know they're still harassing hololive
you really are retarded, I see.
>n-n-NO YOU ARE ZHANG AAAAAA
meds might not be enough for you after all, maybe it's time for the leads.
>>20471980
you need to get a grip.
>>20472428
truth doesn't seem to matter to such delusional fucktards.
>>20472852
not that you'd know, either. if she was suffering from being expected to have standards she has bigger problems than having had an actual paying job.
>>20472970
>she was effectively black listed from collab events and sponsors.
because that totally went away for anyone other than vshitshow that doesn't care in the first place, right?
>she was being ass fucked by management and handing over half her supas to them
this is what you tell yourself, huh? meds.
>>20473076
[citation needed]
>>20473215
the only one mindbroken here is (you)
>>20474912
>things that did not happen: the post
delusions. medicate.
>>20475349
only /vt/ faggots believe that her saying taiwan was a cover for haato when she was very clear that it wasn't. but /vt/ is full of retarded faggots that will believe any rrat they see instead of watching streams, after all.
>>20476862
>Get out before you go <user of 2ch's mental health board>.Coco did that, and Rushia failed to do that.
what you faggots think one board has to do with anything I'll never get, but you should stop being retarded and learn what things mean before you parrot them. and rushia being batshit was a thing from the start, you clueless shitposter.
>But now because of these filthy bugbrains Haachama had to live with the guilt of Coco's graduation
haato lives with "guilt" about it because she's a narcissistic idiot who does what /vt/ does and ignores whatever coco says in favor of her own rrat.
>True. Coco had no choice but to resign.
no, she had the choice to keep her job and use her brain, but chose to be a dumbass. deal with it.

>>20476862
>This is how sane people operate. Get out before you go menhera. Coco did that, and Rushia failed to do that.
To be fair Rushia was menhera before she got in, I don't think menhera is the good term here

>But now because of these filthy bugbrains Haachama had to live with the guilt of Coco's graduation.
That sucks but that's life, at least Haachama didn't have to graduate herself. Materially at least she's in a good place, just like Coco now

>China is a hazardous time bomb since their cartoon bear looking God-Emperor lost his mind. This was the same faggot who encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine and start World War III.
Let's not derail the thing to talk about global politics. There are lots of keyboard warriors everywhere, China has lots of them and they took Coco for target, but Niji also has a lot that constantly try things against Hololive. No need for Pooh Bear for that

>>20480759
>only /vt/ faggots believe that her saying taiwan was a cover for haato when she was very clear that it wasn't. but /vt/ is full of retarded faggots that will believe any rrat they see instead of watching streams, after all.
That, people don't watch streams, and the few that do don't understand japanese

>>20460329
She was objectively correct for leaving Hololive because
1. Of how bad they botched the initial response to the Taiwan incident
2. Of how they continued to restrict her privileges and collaborations when things went "back to normal"
3. For the well-being of the other talents who were targeted for being involved with her
4. By doing so of her own free will, she was able to go out on an all-time record breaking high note
5. She now enjoys moderate success as an indie where she has more freedom and keeps a larger share of the profits

Holo CN being disbanded was just the icing on the cake because catering to China is cancer, and if it wasn't Coco you know that someone else was going to inadvertently slight them and result in the same backstabbing traitorous shenanigans.

>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=ex-tatsu
imagine being this obsessed, Kaichou is too powerful

this is the quickest i've seen /vt seethe in months, well done OP

>>20460541
>brainlets still think supas are where the chuubas make their bread
Most of their money is from sponsorships and merchandise. Both of which have been in a hard decline for Coco since she quit.

i prefer the yakuza avatar over the dragon

>>20481052
Coco barely get sponsorships, did you even watched her streams at all?
>merch
https://ksononair.booth.pm/
https://ksononair.booth.pm/
https://ksononair.booth.pm/

>>20481052
She has more sponsorships as Kson than when she was in Cover you absolute moron. Then when she was in Cover you absolute moron.
Why would you even talk about things that you have no idea about.
Or you are just lying bitch

>>20481052
She has more sponsorships as Kson than when she was in Cover you absolute moron.
Why would you even talk about things that you have no idea about.
Or you are just lying bitch

>>20480759
I just wanted you to know that i didnt read any of this shit and you're a fucking chink faggot. Coco was cool and you're nothing but a subhuman trash.

>>20481022
I've noticed that too. Dude seems genuinely deranged.

>>20481274
yeah, she made a good money from this ¥10000 set

>>20481022
mental illness

>>20460541
Only off superchats.

>>20460329
Sadly Haachama didnt graduate with her. When i saw that some Haachama videos were deleted I understood how frustrating can be to have holo management behind your ass 24/7.
Nowadays, haachama creativity is zero and you can tell she just wants to finish college and quit streaming, When you watch Kson, you see a happier coco.

>>20479248
utter bullshit
kys faggot

>>20479919
why would i do that retard? im not against collabs with males. learn how to read

Obligatory.

>>20480899
>For the well-being of the other talents who were targeted for being involved with her
Delusional tranny. Exactly the opposite happened. Holos are depresed after she quit and straight dont have motivation to stream (Marine) or are straight being harrassed till this day (Fubuki)

>>20482639
ichimis are blaming Coco now?

>>20482484
Newfriend, there's like 10 threads every day on this board about Pomu and Kiara not being allowed to collab due to management. Indies don't have that problem.

>>20482920
why the fuck is this creature in every holo thread?
Go back to your containment, Sasaki will never notice you.

>>20483105
what the fuck does pomu or kiara have to do with this retard? they have different management than JPs. besides being friends with someone and collabing are two different things faggot. also look at real life and not voices in your head, nijinigger. Name one kson stream in which she collabed with someone that was better than coco collabing with holos? exactly. thank you.

>>20482639
Marine isn’t streaming because her throat is fucked up and Fubuki hasn’t been spammed by chinks in months, it was nijiniggers last time in her VOD comments.

>>20481968
management seems to be grinding down most of the girls

>>20460329
they are going to bring her back when the company is in shambles
kinda like a last resort option

>>20471074
>MODDING ZHANGS INTO HER MEMBERSHIP. It was the moment that made her cry on livestream, and when she began planning her graduation.
That was after Cover chose to keep Coco over China, retard. She knew the Zhangs were targeting her and she decided to stay and let herself and her friends get harassed.

>with Xi's current policies those investors are idiots.
That's your opinion. You don't even have 1/10 of the money those "idiots" have. You don't matter.

>What choice did she have? If she stayed the Zhangs would have harassed Hololive even further. these disgusting bugbrains wanted her to an hero on stream
She should've left when shit hit the fan in the first place and be a hero. Instead she stayed in Hololive knowing the bugs are attacking her and whoever she collab with.

>I don't care about them., I'm just happy hololive had expanded internationally, and with Western money they can survive indefinitely. All thanks to coco
You don't care about them but they're affecting and ruining the Vtuber image. Enjoy your SJWs, Whores, ironic weebs and twitterfags thanks to Coco.

>Integrity is better than money. Ask Fubuki. And they have enough EN money to survive a decade. YAGOO HIMSELF said this.
>Fubuki
>One of people who gachas the most
LMAO
Still with the money excuse. Cover is not hololive. It's a tech company first and foremost, retard.

>BUG B GON. Did you forget the rules of /vt/?
>and the Unwritten Rule,
>muh BUGS
Man, you're obsessed. Besides, /vt/ hated Coco before the zhang incident for her shit poop joke content anyway. Why is it suddenly a problem to dislike her?

>>20475349
>She wanted to save her relationship with the people in hololive
Ironic since she's the reason they're getting harassed in the first place. Instead she decided to stay and it screwed her over. She's just trying to cover her tracks.
>smart
LMAO

>>20483953
First of all you ignorant nigger, watch streams and then talk ok?
Marine's throat was just an excuse and the real reason which she explained was her mental health issue and she talked many times how she wanted to quick with coco. those mental issues and "throat" problems started after coco graduated and things havent been the same since then. only now she tries to go back to swing at her own pace.
As to fubuki, again watch fucking streams peasant, she has sub mode on the entire time so they can't spam. they spam however every collab or official stream she participates in to this day.

I am just sad Coco can't collab, appear in hologra, do fun streams like asacoco etc and release songs with hololive anymore.
kson is good too though. it's just different.

>>20480899
And she left after dragging Cover and her friends through the mud and chink harassement. She's a retard. Thanks to her Hololive can't play more games since those companies have Chink investors.

>>20485114
>Thanks to her Hololive can't play more games since those companies have Chink investors.
Thanks to Coco we will never have genshin streams, she's a saint

>>20483885
Pikamee, Choeki Tarou, Himono sensei and Yura.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYzLlPJZjo
youtube.com/watch?v=0hHjtpZAFAs
youtube.com/watch?v=xAbrnB5inJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vI5iR4tBMA

>>20485221
I said better retard

>>20485368
i think you have a shit taste you ape

>>20464153
>Leaving Hololive was her only choice to curb the zhang plague. She was a messiah who sacrificed her career in Hololive to save her friends.
This is cope
Cover bullied Coco out in hopes to get Zhang money, but end up burning her up and forced to quit.
Any kind of anti-movement fades out in 2 weeks.

>>20484814
Rushia is the smart one, right?

>>20485368
>holobrony cope

Oh Cover now have shill like CCP. What a time to be Holofans.

Captcha: 420RK

>>20485427
Yea sure these are better than fucking hololive collabs with marine, shion, fubuki, kanata
just go kys

>>20485604
thanks for outing yourself as a nijinigger/seething 2view who is jealous of hololive's success.

>>20485221
you just posted 4 random collabs and thought this would be an epic own didnt you?

>>20460329
shouldn't have violated the territorial integrity of glorious china

>>20460372
fpbp

>>20485114

Name five Chinese game that not shit porridge, why cell phone games are not real games.
Tell me the Chinese equivalent of super Mario ,GTA, Zelda, even fucking tetris.

>>20485925
>me who prefers the new Kson and still likes hololive talents
>HoloNigger on the internet calls me Nijinigger
I don't care Holofag, I prefer Ksons collabs outside Hololive than in Hololive and I still like Hololive, it's not that hard to like other things Anon but your too much of a Mong to comprehend that. Neck yourself with Razorwire bitch.

>>20486249
>I prefer Ksons collabs outside Hololive than in Hololive
just say you have shit taste and let this be over.

cover shills everywhere

cover anti for no reason

>>20474872
Those guys still make less money because of the x3 living expenses. And that's only counting superchat money.
None of those randos have additional member and merch money income. And we all know that merch money is insane compared to superchat.
Please go to school.

>>20486249
Collabing with boring shitty 2 view leeches isnt an advantage as you think it is.
Cover is doing things right.

>>20463168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKfRm_V99fc

>>20460541
Like what, showign her bare ass on stream?

>>20488257
>Pikamee
>himono sensei
>projeckt melody
>ironmouse
>choeki tarou
2views leeches?
Himono is one of the best riggers in the industry that has also rigged some of the other holos
Ironmouse is literally the top vtuber right now whether you like it or not if anything its kson thats leeching here
Choeki tarou is one of her heroes and personal favs that inspired her yakuza shit he literally was both coco’s and redebut kson’s first collabs
Projeckt melody single handledly broke chaturbate and formed her own vtuber company
Pikamee well shes good ole pikamee we all know and love her
Bro i like hololive and you can say you only watch holos thats why you’re so close minded and all but you fanatic faggots really are getting dumber everyday.

>>20488600
Cope nijinigger/seething 2 view/vwhores
If they were any good they'll be in Hololive.

>>20488715
Lol mouse alone has better numbers than any of coco’s past collab partners keep seething tribalfag
You also cannot argue that coco was downright miserable in hololive it was very painful seeing her hold back her tears everystrwam and now shes happier than shes ever been

>>20488257
Anon I really don't care, I just prefer her collabs outside hololive though I did like her collabs inside holo as well. I just want to be entertained and if it's by a holo, 2view, niji, indie or vshojo I couldn't really care. I do have my main chuuba of course but I like others too. Btw there is a difference between being a Holofag and liking hololive. This>>20488600 is not me btw.

>clicks thread
>2022
>still falling for chinkschizo bait
>looks at all the triggered faggots from both sides
This is why /vt/ is a laughing stock

>>20488920
>mouse alone has better numbers than any of coco’s past collab partners
Delusional
Pekora mogs her with the dirt under her pinky finger

>>20489841
Bro pekora cant even beat amouranth lmao
https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/esports/news-vtuber-ironmouse-stunned-noticing-channel-1-twitch
Keep coping and seething dumbass

>>20489841
Pekora seething she cant even beat amourath
https://youtu.be/zoFTeouyiUo
>inb4otakomori

>>20489841
>Tell me you know nothing outside of hololive without telling me you know nothing outside of hololive

she was carpet bombed with invitations to join other agencies
and guess what she accepted all + she keep her own ch


with this i have come to the conclusion hololive doesn't pay well

>>20489841
Anon…
https://gameriv.com/vtuber-ironmouse-becomes-the-most-subscribed-twitch-channel-overtaking-xqc/

>>20488600
I really enjoyed the recent Yura collabs, and I'm looking forward to the next one.

>>20490166
>twitch subs
>mostly gifted
please tell me you at least know how it works. they are by no means a true measure of popularity.

>>20490627
Cope more kid lmao you got BTFO’d why are you so desparately begging for coco back anyway imposing shes better there being miserable than on her own being happy? Is your oshi that bland and boring that you cant enjoy them without coco? Dont you have a holofes later why are you still so insecure? Stop being bitter move on and let her be

>>20490627
Lmao this guy sure is retarded

>>20489974
but she sure can beat ironmouse lmao

>>20460329
Pretty much,
Cover allowed her to stream on her roomate account even while being part of hololive.
All she had to do make a few streams a month on hololive like ayame and collect the moneys. Then for the ma creativity streams she could just do them on her roommate account the rest of the time.

>>20490018
amouranth is the number one and only be reruns of her own archives. pekora is second. mouse is way behind
you can kys now seething whore

>>20490627
>numbers only matter if it agrees with my narrative

>>20490705
this is your last (you) from me.
no, i do not like coco. I'm just livid that people keep parroting how twitch subs matter when they actually don't. try looking at the numbers properly, you troglodyte. sub breakdowns are even publicly available ffs.

>>20490090
sad cope

>>20490793
Nope just checked mouse still over amouranth lmao. Now close your eyes and inhale

>>20490166
>twitch
>gifted subs
>anon thinks this somehow mogs pekora's 1.9M subs on youtube and 30K average CCV
menahwile mouse is a <10K shitter

>>20490831
Lol run away like a loser just like your oshi artia chinkfag

>>20490921
>Mouse beats amouranth that beats pekora
Plain and simple. Ez money ez win keep the seething flowing kids

>>20490894
wtf are you talking about?

>>20490990
You think someone will believe you? why lie so blatantly?

>>20490990
Why are trannies like this?

d

>>20491009
>>20491053
>>20491125
Obvious samefag keep seething so sad you wanted coco out so bad but now beg for her back

>>20491157
Why don't these trannies ever take their meds?

>>20491179
You tell me tranny

>>20491157
wow actually mentally ill creature

>>20491198
>no u
Why are trannies this uncreative?

>>20491289
>>20491230
>>20491198
>>20491179
>>20491179
Jeezus kid calm down with the seething we all know its just (You) samefagging lmao

>>20491377
Chinks and spam go hand and hand

>>20460329
She has much fewer opportunities outside of Hololive, less influence, and a smaller audience. She's traded her ability to collab with big names, participate in big events, appear on merchandise, animation, skits, etc. for what exactly? She has a shittier model and no lore. Outside of the occasional wardrobe malfunction, she's faded into irrelevance. The only reason she gets any significant attention these days is because she's a former member of Hololive.

>>20491377
imagine being this insecure

>>20491524
Yet she was miserable in hololive but happy right now

>>20484846
Stop making up shit retard, it's embarrassing.

>>20491677
Don't know anything about her post-holo time. Has she mentioned why that is? What she disliked about her time in Hololive?

>>20491524
She was in yahoo japan a few days ago, was the centerpoint of a popular resto cafe in shinjuku, also is sponsored by intel and a shitter model? What the thing can do squats and shit and its made by the same artist with a better rigger
What animation? Lore? Who the fuck cares about lore you larping faggot. You mean hololive alternative? That bad failed genshin impact ripoff that will never takeoff? Lmao

>>20491826
>dont know anything
Exactly my point

>>20491997
Alternative and Holoearth are two different things anon

>>20492061
Again shes happy now on her own if you faggots think shes so mediocre why are crying here begging for her to come back even spreading rrats that “oh shes gonna be in holofes as a surprise” she gone far from your idols she cant corrupt them anymore and now shes happy free from restrictions and chinks. We both wanted this. Or are you faggots just starting shit because you need more attention

>>20491689
watch streams

why are so many random niggers who dont even care about hololive in this thread right now posting their insecure opinions? who the fuck cares?

>>20492448
Its /vt/ anon nobody reallt watches vtubers here. Theyre all just EOP clipfags arguing amongst themselves because thats the only social interaction they ever get in their lives

>>20464153
To be fair, it was a nice ass. I mean, her cosplay was on point.

>>20461007
>cover is retarded for graduating an entire branch just to save her
Cover axed HoloCN as an obvious sign that they were leaving the Chinese market. It's literally a binary choice to either appeal to China and self-censor or appeal to the West and maybe have some meaningless Twitter drama every once in a while.

>>20464153
I mean I’m not a bug but she has a positively gigantic ass. I can understand laser-focusing on it. With my dick.

>>20460541
Like what? Making Gunpla? I suppose that does account for something.

>>20485512
>Cover bullied Coco to get zhang money
How did Cover bullied Coco for zhang money when they already threw away their shitty CN Branch and started pulling out of China for Coco? They already left the chink market.

>>20461878
2 hours a day is still too much.

>>20460329
thank god she did though the anti-zang brigade won't be missed.It is amazing how so many bots think that by calling someone chinese they won the argument

>>20486148
>just chink games
You think Japanese companies don't have Chink investors who don't want Hololive to play their games because they fear the pooh bear?

>>20467933
>Then why is she in the Vtuber Hall of Fame?
You guys made a Vtuber Hall of Fame? kek

>>20460329
>She

>>20460329
>THE WHORE WAS A WHORE ALL ALONG
WOWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>20494254
>actually defending zhangs
(You) sank pretty low just for that (You) anon.

>>20460329
I wonder if she regrets it, I mean yeah she get's enough money for a comfortable life but those ''hype'' moments and big achievements that can make your fans cry are gone

>>20494254
I'm surprised a subhuman like you could string together a sentence of that length. Bravo.

>>20494157
Well, they prevented her from ever collabing with EN even though she was largely inspirational in creating said branch. Try to explain how she all of a sudden could collab with them AFTER announcing her graduation.

>>20486540
How about you neck yourself with razorwire so this can be over faggot.

>>20492061
them being different projects doesn't change cover being the one running them. They'll find some way to mess them up and the girls will find a way to recover from the company's failure like they usually do

>>20496263
I like how they also offered her a chunk of money to stay like that was the problem

>>20492448
Most of them antis of vtuber come from either Facebook or NGA. They not even have oshi and mostly come from anime fans.

>>20460329
this bitch just wanted to make a yakuza 6 reference didn't she

>>20460329
Sometimes I wonder what the current Holos would do for money after they graduate. Cover has spoiled them with how much easy money and exposure they get just by being apart of Hololive. Literally none of them would survive as indies if they continued their current streaming schedules as they are now. They would have to compete with more motivated zoomer girls younger then them and have to do more shit themselves instead of just streaming once a month.

>>20464153
holy based
>>20485512
keep telling yourself that chink

I'm disappointed she left because I wish she could still collab with the others. But I don't blame her, it's the stupid japanese kayfabe stuff, because people can't handle that these are real people sometimes.

Shes happy being free to do stupid shit like 2D face 3D titties stream, and shes probably still easily making a comfortable living off of it. I'd say she made the right choice for herself.

>>20460329
you mean a fucking genius? take your meds faggot

>>20460329
She's definitely retarded, though everyday I'm grateful that she left. I can do without anymore reddit shit on hololive

>>20492448
Tatsunocucks are mostly tourists. This should be obvious for anyone who's not a tourist themselves

>>20502130

>>20502130
>cucks
she never cucked her fans, what are you talking about?

Yeah I wish she stayed. kson just isn't the same.

>>20460329
I feel like a Qanon faggot because I truly believe she will come back to perform on day 2 of holofes because their lineup can't really be that weighted in favor of day 1

Agree