/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1504597182074302470?s=20
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1504688360316493826?s=20
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1504515116997365763?s=20
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1504472627351597056?s=20
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1504343470172901376?s=20

https://twitter.com/moonahoshinova/status/1504385772157571077?s=20
https://twitter.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1504388024100003840?s=20
https://twitter.com/ayunda_risu/status/1504701547711991811?s=20

https://twitter.com/AZKi_VDiVA/status/1504593429447196675?s=20
https://twitter.com/robocosan/status/1504714319883542534?s=20

https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1504610422829199383?s=20
https://twitter.com/natsuiromatsuri/status/1504618880559644673?s=20
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1504412320989999109?s=20

https://twitter.com/ookamimio/status/1504647305240088584?s=20

https://twitter.com/shiroganenoel/status/1504658722047819777?s=20
https://twitter.com/shiranuiflare/status/1504715477654077441?s=20

https://twitter.com/tokoyamitowa/status/1504666103641174020?s=20
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1504695613308358657?s=20
https://twitter.com/himemoriluna/status/1504293696136781829?s=20

https://twitter.com/shishirobotan/status/1504390638367764484?s=20
https://twitter.com/omarupolka/status/1504432253891649548?s=20
https://twitter.com/yukihanalamy/status/1504652446248824833?s=20

>>20456162
Is this mandatory?

>>20456447
it's called marketing

>>20456162
Wow, it's finally happening. It feels surreal to me.

>>20456162
I hope Fulgur and his gang see this.

>>20456162
https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1504736360246411265

>>20456162
And HoloID finally makes hiatpry by being the first ever ID vtubers to perform live on stage.

>>20456162
This is a great opportunity to compare the range of each of the girls head to head. Given that this tweet is pretty much the same implicit message
>go watch me on Holofes
People can take how much engagement each had after a while to measure their relative impact on Twitter

>>20456162
Kek, it will still be beaten by NijiEN VR event.

>>20456572
Can someone compare subscriber and superchat totals? We need to know the better day mathematically as /#/ tradition

>>20456598
ooh, they are still coming up

>>20456572
Rushia.....

>>20456665

>>20456632
Well two days ago you could already make the comparison with the earthquake tweet. All of them shares pretty much the same message.

>>20456516
here they are >>20456665

Ina’s tweet has 22k likes which is pretty solid. For comparison her Holo drawings usually get 75-100k likes. As an aside: Jesus most illustrators would murder a puppy for that type of engagement and this is her side gig

>>20456665
1. this isn't an event, it's just a collab
2. you couldn't be more of an obvious falseflagger if you wanted to
>>20455393
>>20455716
I would do that but im going by memory with what I remember seeing posted in here with a screenshot of a collab between Fumi and Hoshikawa where she acidentally shows the number

Ayo, let a homie know if there's another way to watch HoloFes

>>20457004
Chink link

>>20457004
start by sucking off the chinks

>>20456928
Yes, and I've seen that screenshot floating around in /#/, and any longtime /#/fag will have seen it before.
>>20457004
Wrong thread to be asking, poke around the board/the Globals if you're so inclined tomorrow.

>>20457004
Just lurk here. I'm sure someone will post a re-stream.

https://youtube.com/c/maperu

This channel is siglehandedly bringing NijiEN to the forefront of YT algo. It's been beating Holo juggenauts like Sushi, Vtuber Tengpki and even Paimoni.

>>20457145

>>20457145
Really anon? really?

>>20456670
You don't even need to calculate, it's obvious that day 1 is better than day 2.

>>20457145
KEK, literally the official clipper of NijiEN (as in the NijiEN main channel editor).
I am aware of Nijis attempts of "stealth shilling" but targeting this thread is a little bit overkill, it's not like people here will believe any bullshit

>>20457145
> click a random video
> more than half of it is twitter interactions
yeah... enjoy the "content"

>20457145
Dumb bait, you retard

>>20457145
One of the few good things about YouTube is if a clip channel is actually relevant you don’t have to post anything. Peoples recommendeds will get spammed with them. I’m still trying to figure out who the audience for these clips come from? SEA? It doesn’t seem to be Americans

>>20421990
I spent a lot of time on this article trying to play Devil's advocate for Tazumi to see if it was just a translation mishap but...
> ファンの数を増やしていくなかで、田角は言う
> As the number of fans grow, Tazumi says
> "強引にファンを獲得すれば"
> "If you forcibly acquire/gain fans"
> "コンテンツの消費が早くなる"
> "The consumption of the contents (VODs/streams etc I assume) will become faster"
Is this why he keeps ACCELERATing? He's afraid of their fans running out of content to consume?
And isolating just this line, I thought he might be referring to Nijisanji themselves about "forcibly acquiring fans" but-
> 持続的にファンの心をつかみ長期で応援されるような『文化』にしたい
> We want to win the hearts of the fans in a sustainable(LOL) way and create a type of (fan-)culture that will support us over the long-term.
...never mind, the dude just seems to be lacking any form of self-awareness.

I thought maybe 強引 was a mistranslation, but
> pic related
Yeah... there's no definition that paints this in a good light.
Frame it in gold.

>>20457221
anon... clippers are video editors for clips on that channel since 2020. It's more than one. Nekomikuri who is an editor in there since 2020 is one of the owners of the nijisanji discord and also has a channel where he mostly clips hololive

>>20457145
>Official

KEK Nipplesanjis this is just fucking embarassing

>>20457274
Other highlights -
>「にじさんじ」のYouTubeチャンネル登録者数は、総数2000万を超えた
> Total number of subscribers for ALL Nijisanji channels has exceeded 20mil
This isn't from Tazumi himself but from the article author, but I wonder if this is why nijifans do the "if we combine all their numbers they're bigger than hololive" cope.

> 運営で重視したのは
> The emphasis from management side was
>「コアなファンの心をつかむこと」
> "To win the hearts of the [core] fans"
> それにはファンの「熱量」=「共感・愛着・信頼」が必要だと考えた田角は“ライブ配信”という発想にたどり着く
> For that you need the fans' "passion" = "empathy","attachment","trust" from the fans, so he ended up with the idea of "Live Streaming"
I get reminded of this dude from Oregairu : https://youtu.be/Kfh2YevQh44?t=52
Tazumi definitely seems like an 意識高い系 type of guy.

>>20457197
that's actually good numbers anon, comparable to sushi even

>>20457311
Who the fuck is that traitor? Backstabbing fucker.

>>20457274
>>20457344
Jesas.

>>20457367
you can find his channel easily. he mostly clip pekora

>>20457311
Clippers (mostly) only have an allegiance to what brings them views, outside of the dedicated single-talent clippers or those that do longer translated clips.

>>20456670
Day 1 vs Day 2 for Holofest.

>>20456162
https://twitter.com/tokino_sora/status/1504739637717516288

>>20457350
To be fair Sushi pumps like 30 fucking clips a day

>>20457274
>>20457344
https://rentry.org/Nijicope
Too big for 4chan, so here you go

So... Holofags simply refuse to click on the like button?

>>20456162
https://twitter.com/95rn16/status/1504657698834755587
meanwhile

>>20457632
that's literally normal.. even if you check other polls it's the same thing

>>20457659
This makes me feel bitter sadness.

>>20456599
You do know NijiID has had like 3 concerts already right?

>>20457586

>>20457659
So it's Mike's cat, I don't get it.

>>20457777
Is this some kind of niji joke I'm too much of a chad to understand?

>>20457659
Isn't this bitch gunning for the zhang market now? I remember someone posted here that she's looking for help establishing a bilibili account.

>>20457659
https://twitter.com/betty90776/status/1504729288985432064
>Taiwanese
>LGBT
>みけねこ
>Delutaya△.
>Kson
Ayayay dios mio.... is this really her average saviorfag?

>>20457522

>>20457849
you believe chinese rrats? really?

>>20457344
>Total number of subscribers for ALL Nijisanji channels has exceeded 20mil
Hololive has more than twice that amount subscribers...

>>20457845
It's not a joke. NijiID has had concerts in Indonesia

>>20457344
> Total number of subscribers for ALL Nijisanji channels has exceeded 20mil
>This isn't from Tazumi himself but from the article author, but I wonder if this is why nijifans do the "if we combine all their numbers they're bigger than hololive" cope.
are they?

>>20457863
Gura literally helped day 1 gain a lot of eyes.

https://twitter.com/Yugo_Asuma/status/1504740782086897664
Yugo taking a break

>>20457909
link?

>>20457909
Source or GTFO.

>>20457924
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>20457924
what did "he" do?

>>20457924
Uh why is she doing this?

https://twitter.com/moonahoshinova/status/1504740960827506688
Huh ID portion is live?

>>20457924
Jesus what a fucking mess Noctyx was, what even happened here?

>>20457924
What happened with her stream during the earthquake?

>>20457924
tried to sympathy/drama farm the earthquake, backfired. Will now run and hide on orders of management.

>>20457924
I remember some of you making fun of him monetizing earthquake

>>20457924
Did she use the earthquake to bait SC or something?

>>20457962
I think music performances are pre-recorded, but the segments in-between are live. Just like their usual 3D concerts.

>>20457924
NIJISANJI IN SHAMBLES

>>20457947

>>20457962
It's all live, sugar.

>>20457274
>>20457344
His ideology doesn't work if you accelerate a whole lot of content in one go. Viewers burn out on these things. Those aren't innovations. They aren't even creating new things, they just copy the successful formula from Hololive, which is why their female talents wouldn't work since Hololive has the monopoly. Literally, what made vtubers go into the mainstream globally was Hololive. Now, Nijisanji is copying more strats from Hololive by making 3D birthdays or live anniversaries, looking at Sanbaka and that girl on the 20th.

>>20458060
Isn't it the other way around for Holofes?

>>20458056
its set to private now

>>20448464
A bit late for that but Baelz no? She did mention Pekora after Roberu, which must mean something. She then bragged about being an unity fag of course but that must have meant something.

>>20458110
Oh, I remember this. She was SC baiting for that right?

>>20458021
Apparently some people didn't like her tone when talking about the earthquake, even laughing at times during the stream.

She didn't laugh or was joking about the earthquake or the victims, but it rubbed the Nips the wrong way either way

Nipples, chinks and earthquakes, what will Nijisanji do next? Stay tuned for the raffling season finale!

>>20457632
Bitch I'm not leaving behind traces of likes, you know some faggot can easily do a quick rundown and find out exactly the sordid shit I read if I did that?

>>20458123
I only remember Baelz calling Pekora sensei, nothing more than that

>>20457924
>YAB AFTER YAB AFTER YAB AFTER YAB

>>20458110
What a retard, did she at least make some cash out of it?

Speaking of HoloFes, how many of you guys will be up in arms if Gura's only part in the concert will be singing UmiSea?

>>20458054
>voluntary suspension
This one is getting “nippled”, isn’t he?

>>20457909
>No 3d
>Supposed concert
Really nigga?

>>20458191
Aqua is day 2.

>>20457586
probably should link the others in the gold list to one of the discord leak posts

>>20458181
didn't monetize the stream

>>20458191
If it's like last year then it's going to be 1 group song with Myth and 1 solo song.

>>20458105
>Now, Nijisanji is copying more strats from Hololive by making 3D birthdays or live anniversaries
Honestly, Myth's homemade VRchat 3D seems to be even bigger hit than regular studio 3D celebrations. JOPs really want to see their oshis goof off like that too.

Elden Ring schizo, I kneel. It has been a long time since Pink Dog got a 10k for a normal stream. Schizos here are always right.

>>20458251
Double L.

>>20458105
Kind of ironic to say that considering how much hololive copied and still copy from Nijisanji to this day.

10k for Koyorin
>EldenSchizo… I k-kneel

>>20458181
that would probably have pissed off the nips even more. Making money on others suffering.

>>20458357
don't you have some earthquake victims to laugh at?

Yagoo retweeting https://twitter.com/cover_corp/status/1491291013562114048

It will be very funny if JP is pre-recorded while EN is live.

>>20458357
What matters is not who copies who, but who ultimately gets known for it.

>>20458357
Mention 8 things Hololive copied protip you can’t
>Hard Mode: no “live2D”

How big of a deal is this earthquake thing? Will it be a permanent mark like the nippleman?

>>20458297
>Elden Ring schizo
Nah, he claimed Vox's gonna be playing it on release and break 40k.
If anything, it was other anon here who coreectly predicted that ER will be a buff but ONLY after everyone has a chance to play and/or finish it.

>>20456162
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1504744417529237505

>>20458056
I think the problem was setting up an entire stream to talk about her "earthquake experience".
No one would have minded if she talked about it in a zatsudan or in the middle of a game stream.
But setting up a stream JUST to talk about their "earthquake experience"... when for nips it's a dangerous part of everyday life... it just rubs people the wrong way

>>20458428
Yep. The fact that ER schizo went silent the INSTANT Hololive got perms for it tells you all you need to know about their agenda. Probably shifted gears and put on another schizohat.

>>20458442
Fuck, even that tiny peek of her thigh made me hard.

>>20458357
>copy
You mean
>Improve upon

>>20458392
I wonder how many new grads will apply just for the love of building a better service for their oshis. Yagoo kind of has a cult following like Elon so some people might not mind getting underpaid and do it as a passion project as long as the Cover treats them well.

>>20458442
>>20457529
>>20456598
and that's all of Gen 0 up

>>20456162
Just woke up, where's Rushia?

>>20457924
>Everyday I'm learning new things
FUCKING KEK

So, when is NijiID doing their Yab?

>>20458532

Balls deep in Ukraine.

>>20458414
>Nijisanji Gamers -> Hololive Gamers
>3D debuts
>Male vtubers -> Voiz debuting as idols -> Holostars
>Opening overseas branches with CN and then ID in 2019, holo does the same in 2020
>Impromptu collabs firstly introduced on Seeds in 2018, ID in 2019 and Niji EN in 2021 which then it clearly influenced Myth and Council to do the same
>Nijisanji resistance in minecrat in 2018-2019 -> Aqua creating her own resistance in Minecraft
>Ark becoming a thing in Nijisanji, it then begins later on for Hololive
there's probably more that I dont remember

>>20458357
One of the things Hololive is famous for is making 3D lives out of birthdays and anniversaries for each of their JP members so there's always 3D content in one month from Cover. However, it wasn't until this month that there's 3D lives from Nijis, not once but twice, all in short timespan. Even Hayase's 3D debut got fucking merch for whatever reason. They just plastered 3D on a shirt like it meant something to fans. Like, a month ago, they just put out BD merch on their Twitter and be off. Since they've seen Holo's merch data, they're probably trying to make money from it.

>>20458532
Gone, reduced to atoms, never to be included in anything ever again.

>>20458532
Anon how long were you sleeping for?

>>20458532
Pretty sure they made a card for Rushia, but since she's not working for them anymore, it will never see the light of the day....

>>20458538
Playing with her pussy

>>20458594
Bonnivier is literally a yab machine.
Fucker managed to piss off Pomu by posting MGS spoiler in chat and got banned.

>>20458594
Never. Unless you count Bobon talking about pirating games on twitter as yab or him joking about 9/11 and other shit.

>>20458616
if only nijisanji copied being entertaining from hololive they might gain some traction again..

>>20458698
They are if you aren't already mentally focused in another tribe.

>>20458616
>Niji EN
>repackaged Niji IN

>>20458683
>quality over quantity
>almost 70 vtubers in the image
kek, imagine someone trying to be a hololive fan in 2022

>>20457919
you occasionally see them do that when their numbers are in the shitter
that's also where "everyone in Niji combined has 80k" and nijiniggers lying about numbers started.

>>20458732
sure thing bub

>>20458690
Woo wee, they're trying to sabotage the NijiEN already? Guess some of them got bitter at their branch dissolution while NijiEN got off scot free.
>inb4 it's just bantz!

>>20458732
As opposed to your objective, non-tribalfag view, right Nijikeks?

>>20458735
so you're not denying anything I said? Good I guess.
Not that I will deny that nijisanji also had their own share of things they picked from hololive as well.

>>20458683
>omega
where is he now, got booted?

>>20458784
Bon is just an idiot, probably autistic too to some extent given how it's like he has no filter (something common for spergs).

>>20458787
I'm not shit talking hololive. Every day I come in here I only talk about nijisanji. I wouldn't even know what happens with hololive without this thread because I dont watch it

>>20458690
What did he even spoiled?

>>20458800
He is recovering from his soul transplant.

>>20458800
Demoted, more like.

>>20458784
yeah, they are trying to sabotage EN by giving spoiler on chat. how autistic and retarded you have to be to have this reasoning.

>>20458830
You kill your dad and die

>>20458756
lol nijisanji has more than double tho... also all of holos are successful unlike the majority of niji livers..

>>20458830
The end of MGS I think.

>>20458392
>males in the dressing room
Jesas

>>20458756
Still pretty easy. Especially if your entry point is via a holoJP like korone. Every holo is interconnected and even if this other holos aren't your oshi, they're still important side characters in your SOL anime who also happens to have their own 12 episode series that you can look into if you want.

>>20458683
Not going to lie, all the hype is making me hate myself for not having the money go actually watch it

>>20458862
He mentioned his plans to destroy EN, watch streams.

>>20458756
Oh hey, the 2view indie schizo is back!

>Koyori 14K
Wow

>>20458895
yab

>>20458820
I dunno, I never watched him. Stupidity and malice are often indistinguisable from one another. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them may have gotten bitter at their branch dissolution, and they would be right to feel so.

>>20458876
who is talking about nijisanji? I watch vspo and 774 who both together don't reach even hololive number of members.
This kind of talk will exist for years whenever they reach 90 and more members while you all act like hololive still has only 20 members while having the mindset of supporting everyone as a fan when even with 20 thats already impossible.

why do we kneel to Eldenschizo now? Wasn't his entire schtick shitting on Holos who wouldn't get the Elden buff and how Niji would run away with it. Strange how the opposite basically happened

>>20458913
Yeah. Shit reminds me of when E3 was actually important or EVO preCOVID. Those are the only two non-holiday events (+Coco's graduation) that I used to take days off for.

>>20458683
gura as fins? is this canon?

Also took me awhile to guess RBC

>>20458958
I used to watch him and Hana back in 2020.
It says something about him when I stopped watching him but still watch hana from time-to-time.

>>20458964
Are you ShinobiHost by any chance?

>>20458616
look at this retard
>3D Debut
3D Debuts are normal across all vtubing space and was introduced by Kizuners as the ultimate goal
>Overseas branch
Overseas branch is a natural progression of all companies you fucking retard
>Resistance
Hololive Resistance is just a few episodes goof created by Aqua instead of a real rebellion created by Shii Shii because Niji/ichikara was a black company
>Ark
Everyone can play a game. Hima was a huge Ark fan and tried to push it but nobody and their fucking mother watched it. Only Coco was able to influence other members and create a storyline from it.
I know you nijiniggers are pathetic but holy fuck you're one of the worst one I've seen

>>20458683
Who's that next to Anya?

>>20458895
Yeah the artist didn't think it through.

>>20459025
It's part of her hoody

>>20458913
Anon it's a hundred dollars, come on you can skip lunch for a month

>>20458958
You just admitted you never watched him and I doubt you did for any other nijisanji either. As always, it's a bunch of assumptions from people who don't actually engage with nijisanji and any of its community and dont know how those vtubers are as people, their content or anything else outside of yabs, rrats and numbers. The previous talk with fags surprised that Niji KR speaks in Japanese when they have been since 2020 was just another signal.

>>20459052
The ID manager

>>20459043
Did this guy fuck your ass to live rentfree on your head? every day i come in here you insist in calling anyone that disagree with you by this

>>20459067
100 dollars + taxes is too much in a third world country

>>20458964
nijicope

>>20459074
I guess you are him.

>>20459052
HoloID manager, M-chan

>>20458616
wait a minute, I know these bullet points...
https://note.com/ppoch/n/naae50b29fe8d
^ you're this guy aren't you? The Aqua = Nijikiller fellow

Nijicope

Vspo topping the charts again.

Koyo 16k (!)

>>20459107
That's fair, if $100 is a significant portion of your yearly income can't fault one too hard for opting to sail the high seas.

I wonder why VSPO has so little translated clips despite them being kinda big.

>>20458913
have you considered not being poor?

>>20459052
Gita I assume

>>20459154
It helps that the Rushia slot was completely empty today.

>>20459136
Is Derem inclining?
Didn't she used to get 20-40?

>>20459114
Sure I am. If you wanted to be fucked by this guy to the point where he lives in his head, I'll be him for you

VSPO absolutely annihilating Nijisanji right now.

>>20456162
https://twitter.com/amanekanatach/status/1504753309886070799
gen 4 complete

>>20459074
If that is an example of how he behaves in other people's chat, then I don't want to want anything to do with him. I generally avoid people I know I will hate.

>Impromptu collabs firstly introduced on Seeds in 2018, ID in 2019 and Niji EN in 2021 which then it clearly influenced Myth and Council to do the same
Now interacting with your genmates is copying, Jesus Christ anon you can't be this retarded

>>20459045
>3D Debuts are normal across all vtubing space and was introduced by Kizuners as the ultimate goal
Introduced by Kizuners when the vtubers have been mainly 3D before Nijisanji existed?
>Overseas branch is a natural progression of all companies you fucking retard
Of course moron, the point is how they picked the same countries to expand after Anycolor did it.
>Hololive Resistance is just a few episodes goof created by Aqua instead of a real rebellion created by Shii Shii because Niji/ichikara was a black company
And she still copied it.
>Ark
Of course, retard. The point is about how hololive members picked up on something that was happening in nijisanji and made in hololive.

>>20458825
>Nijifag
>coming here
Not very believable. You are one of those JP/EN false flaggers aren't you? Nijikeks aren't welcome here and we will eat you alive.

>>20459185
Getting rid of that dumb head covering might've helped

>>20459173
>APEX
There's your answer

>>20459218
Impromptu collabs on vc without any planning, absolute moron. None of that existed for vtubing, even more in hololive, before of those 3 groups I mentioned.

What time is emperor gold stream going to start?

>>20459173
anon check their clipping policy. there's awhile bunch of loopholes you have to jump through to get authorized for clips ever since that whole smufing thing happened

>>20459226
I think you are missing an important detail in all of this. Hololive did it better.

Being first doesn't mean being the best. HTC made the first Android phone but Samsung did it better and now HTC's phone business is dead while Samsung is the #1 phone producer in the world.

>>20459185
Derem have been doing between 80-60 for months.

>>20459260
That is retarded, anon.

>>20459270

20JST

>>20459173
Alex isnt really that clippable. Most translated apex clips is of already big chuubas. The only exceptions are when there is like an additional hook. Like all the oreapo apex clips

>>20459276
I think you are missing the point in here as well: I'm not talking who did it better, I'm not fighting over tribalism shit. I'm pointing out how both sides influenced each other over the years in different aspects, but this thread is a bit childish to accept it.

>>20459194
Are VSPOs honorary holos?

>>20459276
>HTC made the first Android phone
I thought it was LG, no?

>>20459328
>is a bit childish
>says the one who put 3D debuts as something Hololive copied from Nijisanji

>>20459323
Please point me out the impromptu collabs in vc with no plan whatsoever before it happened that hololive had before SEEDS, Niji ID and NijiEN existed. Earliest you have to find is before SEEDS existed in 2018.

>>20459226
>Of course moron, the point is how they picked the same countries to expand after Anycolor did it.
Nijinigger, this point irks me the most out of your retarded bullet points. Nips company expansion has always been those 2 countries.
Just look at AKB48 for example, first they expanded to ID, JKT48.
Then, they expanded to CN, SNH48.
This is well known among nips company, nijinigger isn't the first one to do it.

>>20459328
SOME of the thread for sure yes. It's not really that big of a deal who did what first anyways (unless it's patent/copyright related). Ideas are cheap, execution is what matters.

>>20459276
Fun fact: second-mover advantage exist too

>>20459356
Who did 3D debuts first? I'll be waiting for your response.
Because this certainly didn't exist on the Kizuna Ai era where most of the vtubers were already 3D.

>>20459226
you're really pathetic
>3D Debut
Kizuna was seen as the oyabun and ultimate goal of all vtubers back then. Of course all l2d tuber would see it as the ultimate goal to become 3D. Not a specific thing specifically invented by Niji.
>picked the same countries
They're looking at the audience statistics you underage nigger faggot. Of course they share the same audience because
1. Indonesia is the biggest SEA audience, relatively cheap and quite open to weeb culture
2. Most of them can speak english so it's easy to get more SEA audience
China?
so you mean they're not trying to expand to a country with a literal 2 billion people? You don't need a fucking PHD in business to understand that it's a natural move to do especially at that time.
>waaaah copying a real resistance and 1 episode goof parody!
now you're reaching your pathetic plagiarism rrat.
>Ark
It was never happening in nijisanji you nigger. Next thing you say that they're all copying Vaatividya because they're playing Elden Ring even though he's one of the first few people who play it.

>>20459369
I'm sure Nijisanji also expanded to NijiEN with no influence from Cover expanding to HoloEN.

>/we/ are unironically debating over who did 3D debuts and unscheduled voice calls first

>>20459363
have you ever heard of twitch, nijinigger?

>>20459328
You fucking retard, you don't get to claim that you're above tribalism when you keep comparing one over another.
Holy shit you Nijinigger and your small dog mentality.
I fucking watch some Nijis but at this point I'd be too embarrassed to even admit that because faggot like you.

>>20459363
It's, like, a natural thing friends do, autistchama. You don't need to copy anybody, it's a part of human experience.

That faggot has to be falseflagging, I refuse to believe someone can be this retarded

>>20459328
> one anon argues that copying hololive is not going to cause success for Nijisanji because their structure and fanbase are totally different
> Hololive copied too
discussion successfully derailed I guess, congrats nijinig

>>20459435
>Kizuna was seen as the oyabun and ultimate goal of all vtubers back then. Of course all l2d tuber would see it as the ultimate goal to become 3D. Not a specific thing specifically invented by Niji.
The first 3D debut literally came from Nijisanji you seamonkey, same deal as Live2D.
>picked the same countries
The point, you imbecile, is about Cover doing action after Anycolor did. If you think they didn't observe their biggest rival doing it and for coincidence they do it later you are a retard. Fo the same raeson anycolor did the same for EN.
>waaaah copying a real resistance and 1 episode goof parody!
It's about influence, seamonkey
>Ark
Same as before.

>purchased a SPWN ticket
first time ive spent something that wasnt just memberships to a few of my favorite holos

>>20459401
You are retarded beyond any hope of redemption if you seriously, genuinely consider Hololive having 3D debuts as copying Nijisanji. I couldn't give less of a shit about the rest because I'm not a tribalfag, but it's just retarded anon. You need meds.

koyori 17k

>>20459500
It's prime SEA hours

>>20459513
Do you think Niji invented the term Live2D too you faggot?

>>20459482
And yet none of hololive did before when that's so natural, isn't that interesting? Myth took only after NijiEN began to do it to pick it up. It's not like Kiara isn't obsessed with NijiEN either to know it and how well received this was for the fans, to the point holoen fans who also watch nijien wished this happened and said as much on twitter many times.

>>20459513
now I'm fully convinced that you nijiniggers are either underage or just plain retarded.
>Having the same audience is now a plagiarism
>Doing something natural as the progression of business is plagiarims
>Playing the same game as Nijisanji is plagiarism
>Having identical name is plagiarism

Add it to the cope list!

I blame the faggot who copy-pasted the note.

>>20459520
congrats anon, hope you enjoy it

>>20459572
Pink dog love

Only pink dog is above the 5k threshold.

I've seen this type of arguments a few times on r/vtuber

>>20459581
Seamonkey, the point is about nijsanji introducing and popularizing live2D in the industry. Nijisanji didn't invent streaming or live2D, or 3D, retard, but they influenced and popularized it for the others to use as well. Same way Kizuna Ai influenced Nijisanji and Hololive to exist.

>popular game exists and a niji played it first = everybody else who plays it copies nijisanji
Is this the levwl of logic we're working with here?

>>20459589
You are the one plain retard here, faggot. I didn't say anything bout plagiarism, my entire point is about how hololive was influenced by Nijisanji and vice versa but you are stupid to recognize that.

Waiting room for the V-Saikyo Teams announcement up. Curious to see how many Holo/Nijis will be in

https://youtu.be/jV0qwyqSsi4

Nijisanji is bad.

>>20459535
>I'm not a tribalfag
So you're retarded

>>20459637
>Nijisanji didn't invent streaming or live2D, or 3D
>they influenced and popularized it for the others to use
Holy moly, I wish i was this retarded.

>>20459668
Nobody cares about Nijis to be honest. We know who those same people are going to show up.

>>20459482
Nigger hololive started in 2018 with literally ONE talent.
are you gonna say "Youtube Livestreaming" was them copying Niji too?

>>20459679
Says the retard.

>>20459664
>influenced
>Kind of ironic to say that considering how much hololive COPIED and STILL COPY from Nijisanji to this day.

and now you're backtracking.

>>20459587
>Kiara
You mean the one HoloEN that isn't part of the impromptu collabs that started with only Council members ti the point where global kept complaining about Myth being too autistic?
Fucking retarded nijiniggers

>>20459052
Who the hell is anya?

>>20459714
meant for >>20459587

>>20459634
>Nijisanji below Vspo
No wonder this nijinigger faggot keep seeting in this thread.
Their only claim to fame is being "the first", apparently because they can't fucking compete

>>20459668
Half of the team leaders are from Niji right? Astel seems to be the only Stars participating so I'm curious about his team members.

>>20459677
their fans and 3 of the EN's are. Others are alright

>>20459587
Yeah, yeah, Kiara, who's obsessed with NijiEN, and who almost never participates in those impromptu collabs.
It's not like Myth had only five streamers in 3 different timezones with Amelia having terminal social autism to do such things at NA times prior to Council debut.

>>20459520
Doog is one of the best dancers in Holo along with Shuba
Enjoy the concert anon!

>>20459714
What does that have to do with my post? My poi t was that random impromptu collabs is just natural thing to do, like breathing. It is just inevitable progression.

>>20458683
Marine in full “hearts in eyes” heat

All I said was Nijisanji is starting to copy 3D anniversary/birthday lives like Hololive for Sanbaka and Yuuhi. In the previous months, they don't even do 3D lives let alone for birthdays for their talents. Only two or three here and there, but it was far apart. Sanbaka anni and Yuuhi BD is like one week apart, and they already got merch for it too.

>>20459718
It's pretty rare for someone to put their retardation on display this much and so fiercely. Kind of a weird hobby, but if that's what he wants to do then I say let him. It's good for a laugh, if nothing else.

>>20459587
prior to gen 2 the only members who were in the same/similar timezone was gura/ina/ame and even then ina regularly streams hours before gura/ame's slot

>>20458800
isnt that omega in the top left corner?

>>20459718
I already said it posts ago, retard. Influence, copying, it's the same thing. NijiEN never would exist without hololive, I don't have any fear to admit it. The initial post was just to show that it is ironic to make those kind of post about how nijisanji is influenced by hololive when holo also did the same. It's that simple. But you are so mentally ill with hololive and your retarded virtual war on 4chan that you can't accept that.
>>20459328

>>20459595
that's based though, you shouldn't avoid doing things jsut because schizos get angry over it

>>20458683
I love it that even though there are so many of them now, their designs are still unique enough that you can easily distinguish them from the distance.

>>20459793
Please respond to me anon, why Holo JP never did that before SEEDS existed.

>>20459857
>SEEDS
Who?

>>20459845
they clearly took cues from the valve school of iconic character design

>>20459845
also known as:
>OMG I watch hololive so I know everyone in the picutre, they are so recognizable because im extremely invested in them.
You can make this same argument for any other agency that has hardcore fans.

>>20459857
Faggot, are you really gonna claim Nijisanji invented impromptu VC? Really?

>>20457924
Watamage...

>>20458683
Who's that to the left of Anya?

>>20459873
newfag
>>20459893
Yes anon, im claiming that. Nijisanji invented live2D and 3D as well.
Moron, the point is introducing that to vtubing and the others picking it up.

>>20459889
I'd be impressed if a Nijifag can name all of their chubbas.

>>20457862
>ayame, gura, sankisei
nahone

>>20459909

me

>>20459909
M-chan, holoID's manager

>>20459889
Naming all Nijis is just an impossible task, anon. I bet Mito couldn't name her juniors as well.

>>20459884
It's a universal character design philosophy. Create a unique silhouette so the character can be recognized from any angle and any distance.

>>20459513
> Ark

Earliest Niji Ark I could find (Hima) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SwCFJqM4A
> May 23, 2019
After this, there are no Ark streams on her channel until -

Earliest Holo Ark Stream (Coco) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2_xqVWhxpE
> Jan 19, 2020

Hima then starts Ark again after a gap of 6 months, seeing it's popularity : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1596ynBOvbI

Being the first is not always important, being the trendsetter is. And holo does that far more than Niji does.

>>20459922
You might want to go to the nijisanji discord and ask them. You'll find people who know all nijisanji members but can't name 20 hololive.

>>20459352
Nah, HTC

https://youtu.be/BT20i17l-ic

Although the LG example would work too since their phone business is dead as well.

>>20458131
no you dumb nigger

>>20459845
even if it was well hidden, you can easily see Rushia there (green blob behind pekora), that's how iconic their design is.

>>20459931
It's not an impossible task because I already have seen that happening many times for people that actually watch nijisanji. And if not all, at least the fair majority.

>>20459825
> Influence, copying, it's the same thing
No, you retard, one causes an apology stream the other does not.
Jesus Christ, learn what English words mean before you start typing shit.

>>20459920
You know how stupid this sounds like?
>Nijisanji is influenced by something
>Somehow all others are influenced by Nijisanji
>Not by the thing that influenced Nijisanji in the first place

>>20459920
No, you're making specific claims that they invented talking to each other through discord on a whim. Which is fucking retarded.

>>20459927
Ok thanks for cleaning that up

Holy shit, Hololive's talents speak Japanese, they must be copied it from Nijisanji's.

All Hail to Primordial Nijisanji.

>>20460004
I guess Live2D became a thing in the industry by nothing, same for 3D debuts. Everything came from the air. It's how it works right

Smile you're on the catalogue
>>20459802

>>20459825
plagiarism
>an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author:
copying
>a. An imitation or reproduction of an original; a duplicate:
>NijiEN never would exist without hololive
No. NijiEN will exist regardless whether Hololive did it or not. You're retarded if you think otherwise. Well I think calling you retarded is a moot point because you unironically think that playing a game that niji played first is plagiarism

>20459857
> I sent you my text please respond
an actual shit stirrer
stop giving this dude (You)s anons, it just encourages his retardation more.
Just call him a retard and move on.

>>20459587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95EaRULYLGw
HoloEn did impromptu collabs before NijiEn came out, it's just infrequent. Why are you lying?

>>20459963
For some reason I had LG G1 stuck in my head as first Android phone.

>>20460032
Holy shit you are an absolute retard to not understand basic shit. next time you'll tell me that hololive gamers existing didn't came from the success of nijisanji gamers.

>>20459949
ah fuck you made me remember the silhouette thread we had here months ago.
I still have all the silhouettes saved from that thread.

>>20460036
>this 3D coep again
You even admitted that Nijisanji is influenced by Kizuna 3D you retarded nijinogs.

>>20459922
There really aren't that many JP nijis to remember

>>20460037
I'm very offended because the shithole has more shit on it.

>>20460036
It bevame a thing because it's way cheaper and less resource intensive than 3D.

>>20460066
So Nijisanji gonna take credit for naming their gen Gamer too now?

>>20460037
Who let that retard escape containment?

>>20460037
Come on, anon, don't treat him like a monkey to be paraded around.

>>20459949
kek
noctyx silhouettes are all the same

>>20460117
but he is a monkey, what else would you do with him?

>>20460071
The only claim I ever said was about 3D debut you absolute moron, the act of having a 3D debut while having live2d as your default. The influence from Kizuna Ai is creating an agency to have multiple different vtubers.

>>20459949
someone didn't give nijisanji the memo apparently.

>>20460098
Of course. And who began with it?
>>20460099
No, they didn't invent the word gamers. But you have to be a utterly retard to not think that hololive didn't see the success of Sasaki, Shiina, Himawari, Kanae and Kuzuha in that branch to create a gen called Gamers a year later.

>>20460135
And? From where did Nijisanji took influence to do Live2D in the first place?

> Riku: We would like to develop a close relationship between the liver and the fans and that's why I've chosen that we should be streaming our content
> NijiNiggers: OMG NIJISANJI INVENTED STREAMING!!!11one!

Pekora Sekiro today. No hope for her

>>20460165
You might as well not say that Kizuna Ai influenced anyone because she didn't invent 3D or a virtual character. Holy moly, you are retard as fuck.

>>20460066
Sorry for copying you because I'm writing in English.
Damm, I never noticed that.
I will do dogeza

>>20460164
Hololive gamers was created because of niji gamers. This retard is hilarious.

>>20459889
go ahead, name 'em all, I'll wait until you search the wiki

>>20459731
The little girl in Spy x Family

>>20460176

>>20460129
The rest of NijiEN all have extremely distinguishable silhouettes but these guys are arknights coat x4

In other news. Iroha and Lui has been going on for almost 30 minutes, reaching almost 10k combined, but Koyori doesn't even dip.

>>20459759
>3 of the EN's are
Which three?

>>20460156
>Rejected Arknights character
>light novel rival character
>discount Dante
>Player 1
>Player 2

>>20460220
I didn't say anything about Nijisanji, why are you so affected, anon? Neither did I say I can name everyone, I can name 70 out of 107 but I recognize all of the JP members easily

>>20460156
are the rightmost two twins? they have the same face, eyes and similar mouths and clothes.

>>20460250
kek

https://youtu.be/jV0qwyqSsi4
Gold

>>20460250
You know we all can do the same for hololive right

>>20460191
Congrats, you're slowly getting it.
You can't prove that Nijisanji influenced Hololive, because guess what? Nijisanji was influenced in the beginning too.
Also you're fucking idiot if you think nips are known for their speedy business making.
If nips businessman announced something today, it'd at least took him a half year to concoct.

https://youtu.be/WvR0PQFmSZ4
2k waiting

>>20459179
And who the fuck is Gita?

>>20460247
Fungus is one of them I bet.

>>20460326
My wife.

>>20460320

Will this get 100k? The tweet announcing it got 95k likes. More than Fuwa and Ibrahim did back then

https://twitter.com/akirosenthal/status/1504748297944068098?s=20&t=7fxRpMqwt8ZlBW_6kkDVHg

>>20460356
>likes
lol

>>20460356
>Still doesn't learn from Sukoya's return 3D
Anon...

>>20460320

Isn't this guy best friends with Toya? Just get him as a guest. easy 80k

>>20460311
>we

>>20460164
> Hololive copies gamers
> Creates a successful gen
> Nijisanji actual internal company RESISTANCE because they were doing BLACK COMPANY policies
> Aqua copies this in Minecraft for a bit of fun, gets a VERY famous Sora encounter out of it
> Hololive(Coco) "copies" Ark
> Creates a successful trend that brings back old Nijis that abandoned the game and an entire Niji Ark arc.
> Nijisanji copies girl idols
> Utterly fails because manjisanji and no BOX buff

I noticed you didn't reply to >>20459951 either.
As if you don't want to address the argument and just stir shit.
You nigger faggot.

>generic demon lord
>generic ninja
>generic elira and selen
>generic catgirl
>generic kingdom hearts character
It's very easy to do the same with all hololive because they all have generic anime designs

>>20460256
> still hasn't named them because he's scouring the wiki
keep seething, it's fun to see

>>20460156
To be fair, males are actually very hard to design. with females, you can go full retard with skirts, hairstyles, ribbons and laces, while males are stuck with suits and jackets that's why their silhouettes look very samey.

>>20460413
since when nijisanji copied idol girls? are you seriously calling selejo idol girls? fucking kek

>>20460320
> 2k before 90 mins
hmm, I think we could see a healthy 30k here

>>20460449
You forgetting about Uiha now retard? And Ranunculus?
Stop shooting your own foot for once

>>20460438
I said to you im not going to name everyone. There's no reason for me to respond to you anymore either because you'll just say what you're already saying right now.

>>20460481
I accept your concession

>>20460482
Ranunculus aren't idols you immense moron. There's nothing in their PR or lore or anything that suggests that. It's the same format of NijiEN and neither of those are idols. At least have a functioning brain.

>>20460449
> No argument against Arc
yeah, I thought as much

>>20460444
you are absolutely retarded, females are the ones that are restricted because they have to look conventionally attractive, whereas with males you have the freedom to go hog wild because the standard for attractiveness is much broader.
Overwatch ran into this exact issue where there's basically one female body type but the males went from a literal dwarf to a guy in full armour

>>20460247
Fungus, Finana, chink new darling

>>20460530
I'm not the one who was discussing with you, retard

>>20460417

>>20460522
>Mayuzumi tweeted about idol
>Will debut with chara song
I'll be waiting for your own takeback later anon.

2view

>>20460548
>they are bad
>only thing they ever did was talking about hololive strategy in a private server after an announcement of the rival
the autism, holy kek

It seems Cover (or Bushiroad) hired cosplayers for Holo Expo
https://twitter.com/nagisa_cos01/status/1504759435352481793
Shit gets more interesting as we get closer to the real thing

>>20460539
You can do that with males in video games but corpo male vtubers need to look just as conventionally attractive as the women

>>20460409
He-Ayame isnt as strong in collabs as he is alone, just like Ayame. He’s not a big buff

>>20460606
And why the fuck did you assume those things are what made me and that other anon hate them?
>literal coomerbait, no talent fish
>coomerbait chink manwhore
>coomerbait edgy, doomposting cripple

>>20460246
>only 3 streams going on
>all holox
classic at this point

So... Ninji gold for 3 days straight?

>>20460568
Mayuzumi tweeted about idol, retard-kun, because this is the first time JP is debuting with a song and those girls came from VTA instead of the usual way. It's a comparison to idols also coming from academies like that where they train. But your brain is too small to understand this.
As for the song, already explained on NijiEN not being idols, not calling themselves idols and not being known as idols. It's very simple to understand if you think about it for a second, but htat might be hard for retards.

>>20460637
Counterpoints: Yashiro and Maimoto.

>>20460522
And it's not mentioned anywhere in any of the Holo girls' profiles that they're idols, yet everyone treats them that way

>>20460637
Oh really?

>>20460634
that's just booth babes, anon

>>20460666
What's wrong with naiting coom?

>>20460686
>comparison to idols also coming from academies like that where they train
you can stop now anon. just remember I'll be waiting for your takeback in Sunday

>>20460682
Wasn't it supposed to be Nijigold all month since holo would be so weak due to expo?

>>20460702
Hololive literally call them idols, it doesn't matter if they are in their profile or not. Nijisanji call all of its members livers and never ever referred to any of those three girls as idols. The only idols in Nijisanji are Roha, Zea and Uiha.

>>20460721
What's wrong with me hating coomerbait?

>>20460702
They call themselves idols all the time tho.

king gold

>>20460760
It's irrational.

>>20460727
Lol as if. It's almost like you never meet a Nijinigger. He'll just slink back to wherever he came from for a day at most then come back again to fling his shit anew.

>>20460758
So there idols afterall in Nijisanji?
Do you think they copied the idea from Hololive anon?
Or is it possible for two different companies to be inspired by something that's not each other idea?

/#/ - definitive edition

>>20460808
nta but I hate it because it's low effort.

>>20460824
Yeah, me.

>>20460727
what takeaway? I expect the same as I do with NijiEN: Three girls singing a song, same as all NijiEN, and then they will be streaming, not calling themselves idols and being just like them. At best some might sing in the future and that's not "idol" either because many in NijiEN sing without ever calling themselves as such.
It's extremely retarded in vtubing and musically to put everything into idol.

man, lui is keeping up with iroha, it seems the samurai actually damaged her floor with her inconsistency

>>20460789
>king
Where the fuck did you come from, newfag? If you can't even call the Emperor by his rightful title, then don't even try.

>>20460864
Pokobehate!

> schizo only answers posts that further the "copying" argument
> never addresses the actual argument about how Niji's recent holo-copying is not compatible with their system
Can you guys stop giving him (You)s now? He's clearly just here to stir shit.

>>20460890
stirring shit is what you all do here 24 hours per day tho

>>20460808
if people were rational they would be doing something worthwhile with their lives instead of watching Vtubers or shitposting /here/
You're just pushing your preference as "rational" for some reason, when you're just a filthy coomer.

holobronies...

>>20460864
she can't get internet installed at the new place until april apparently.
she's streaming from the studio at least.

>>20460890
No no youre right, neither hololive or nijisanji ever influenced each other.

>>20460919
Yeah because this is a number thread.
Fuck off with your midget 2view oshi.

Holy shit Holox seriously do not any have many fans at all. No one else at all yet it’s like the slowest growth on planet earth for Lui/Iroha streams, and 16/17k for Elden on JP side is pretty poor when you consider how many active watchers there are there. Every other JP has done well on their debuts so this is definitely below theirs

I feel like HoloX need less 1 on 1 collabs and need actual group collabs with eachother. When was the last time they even had a group collab?

>>20459825
>Influence, copying, it's the same thing.
Holy mother of retard.

>>20460919
Anon, plz. Most of the time people here are having schizo timeloops, takes a real newfag to come here and unironically stir shit or try to tribalfag in any direction

>>20460953
Is it doxxfags again in NijiEN? Anyway /hlgg/ reclining

>>20460969
Still mad about Edengumi flopping aren't you?

>>20460969
No one else on streaming*

>>20460984
Probably about recent Yugo's break announcement

>>20460984
Maybe people dunking on the bloke that got "voluntary suspension" for trying to gain clout over the earthquake thing

If there is one thing I know about threads in this board is that
>fast = bad

>>20460969
Hows Edengumi going btw

>>20460686
huh, so they're doing something typically done by idols, their coworkers are memeing that they're an idol company now, but your brain somehow twisted itself into thinking that they're NOT idols somehow?

>>20461013
>bloke

>>20461013
>voluntary suspension
This'll never not make me laugh

>>20460969
the last 2 were the mc tour and the practice for the mk tournament
since then, the only time the 5 have been together was for koyo's birthday for a skit that lasted a minute
reminder that some of them still don't have 1 on 1s with each other

https://youtu.be/0tOIFgitdsM
>本当にすまん!!!ちょっと今日の企画中止にさせてくれ~~~~~!!!!本当に楽しみにしてくれて人ごめんなさい!!絶対別日にする!!!本当に直前にごめんなさい!
Subaru cancel

>>20460969
> aaand he immediately moves to HoloX schizoposting

>>20460951
I'm not a coomer, I just don't hate performers who target other audiences than me.

>>20460998
>>20461016
Please I want nothing from your schizo hours here. This is worse than 7-8 hours ago when we had schizos talking to themselves for an entire thread. This thread’s already gone to shit and I want to talk about other shit than watch this

I was asking a legitimate thing

Hal 15k waiting

>>20461075
EMPEROR
I KNEEL

>>20460953
you know that usually means that their thread is having a clique war right?

>>20460969
They only debuted a few months ago. Cut them some slack.

>>20461075
M-my knees, they're bending by themselves!

>>20460686
>But your brain is too small to understand this.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand NijiEN.
The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head.
There's also Vox's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance.

The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE.
As a consequence people who dislike NijiEN truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Vox's savage burn "DUMBASS," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons.

I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Rikkun's genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity th

>>20461057
Kek, Reddit Duck can't even honor her commitments.

>>20461070
Threads dying from u/Shinobihosts derailment anyway, ACCELERATE.