/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Holy shit, why would you put this out? This makes your company look like shit.
Just say that the company has decided to part ways with Sato, that Vera will be taking on her duties, and leave it at that.

>>20420458
>small corp good they said
top hecking lmao kek

laugh out loud

>>20420458
Bets on them joining NijiEN gen 43?

Maybe Lumi will rethink her graduation now?

Who?

>>20420458
>591x675
Is this an official announcement for ants?

>>20420458
I'm not ant

fake and gay

>>20420458
how is this worthy of a public notice
rubbing salt in the wound?

>>20420772
>>20420748
That's legit the size they uploaded to Twitter.
https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1504563229153968138

>>20420847
Laugh out loud

>>20420847
small indie company plz understand

>>20420458
Holy. This Sato girl must have been a disaster to terminate her in such a bad way.

>>20420458
ants

>>20420627
The fuckup must've simply been THAT bad that they had no other choice but to publicly denounce her.

>>20420734
Anon, Lumi is graduating BECAUSE she had to do Misaki's job until now and got fed up with it.

>>20420458
If you have to tell people you company isn't planning to close, it's planning to close. They just want whatever revenue they can get to not dry up completely so they can pay off their creditors.

>>20420668
they're all billionaire vanity projects

>>20420983
I'd put money on Lumi not getting any extra pay for taking on the position either.

>>20420627
>>20420830
If they did not make a major leadership change public, people would think they're letting the ship continue to sink without doing anything. This way the top brass looks like they're fixing the problem, giving hope, and shift at least part of the blame to a defective employee.

>>20420627
I think this particular manager was pissing off a lot of people so this is basically sticking their head on a pike for public appeasement.

>>20420627
publicly throwing under the bus to try and save face is peak1980s business strategy

>>20420458
so she wasn't working?

>>20421080
>>20421029
Ah, I get it.
They're looking to sell.

>>20421053
How to become a millionaire? Be a billionaire and open a vtuber company.

>>20421065
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, but maybe she got a "you get to keep our cut of your donos" kind of deal, at which point it made no difference whether she stayed within CL or just bailed.

>>20420458
Wasn't this the girl /vt/ dug up dirt on and found out she was the owner's 15 year old fucktoy?

>>20420627
> This makes your company look like shit.
Are you new? Have you been here when Cyberlive first started? They already looked like this how is this any different? Do people not remember all that black company shit they did in the beginning?

>>20421065
Probably the old "You're our most valuable employee, we have a lot of trust in you to give you this responsibility, plus you'll be learning valuable skills!" bullshit people do to get employees to do extra shit for free.

>>20420458
>cyberlive
Who? It doesn't count as a yab when nobody knows who they are

>>20421065
Okay i bet 1:2 odds that this Maki person is sick or pregnant and the company just didn't want to pay the cost of a temporary substitute

>>20421330
She's been MIA for months

>>20421065
>>20421141
Dropping additional responsibilities without extra pay is a widespread "trick" in management to cut corners on salaries, across all sorts of office settings.
>>20421141
>Like most vtuber companies, talents are expected to pay back the cost of the models. In the case of CLIVE, talents can choose whether they would like the company to take a cut from their earnings each month (which is the industry standard), or if they would like to pay back the cost of the model in increments or in full. CLIVE also foots a portion of the bill and talents are only expected to pay back a fraction of the cost.
>This is pretty standard for all Vtuber companies and is the reason why most companies have their talents enter a contract for a specified amount of time. This information is not usually made available to the public, but CLIVE is very transparent and up front about the costs.
>This is explained in the sign up form! Hope this helps!

According to pic-related, a vtuber. So odds are they worked out some deal to forgive the debt on the model.

>>20421330
Nah they would just go on their twitter and say "Hey I got fired because I have a personal health issue" and it would be a whole shitstorm. You can do that to some mundane employee in a field no one cares about, not a public facing position you feel compelled to do a whole announcement for.

>>20421463
>Dropping additional responsibilities without extra pay is a widespread "trick" in management to cut corners on salaries, across all sorts of office settings.
May be so, but in that case Lumi wouldn't have been officially promoted to manager in the first place.
>According to pic-related, a vtuber. So odds are they worked out some deal to forgive the debt on the model.
I don't believe it, simply because Yuri is graduating too and keeping all her shit, so if Yuri has managed to hold her end of the contract, I'm sure Lumi met the requirements ages ago. Hell, even Hylo kept all her shit. Lumi must've gotten paid something extra, but probably not enough to make the job worth it.

>>20421463
What does Reiny have to do with any of this?

Lmao.

>>20421427
This just reinforces my doubts.
Typically you get fired after 3 days of job absences.

Holy fuck! Misaki actually ran away with dono money!

>>20421205
I haven't kept up with them because never cared for their streamers.
But for awhile after the big starting yabs people were looking on them favorably because rumors have it their conditions for working for them were really good. (you get the character, art, and anything else they produce. they also take a smaller cut of superchats)
but how true that is idk.

>>20421463
That isn't even the industry standard, that's Cyberlive's specific model. Typically you sign a contract for an amount of time (1-2 years), the company pays for your model and retains ownership of it. They get a fixed cut of your income for the duration of the contract. If you break the contract early you have a prorated fee for the model you have to pay off.

>>20421668
>In addition, the Twitter, Twitch, and YouTube accounts of Sato Misaki will be closed within the coming month.
pain

>>20421785
I mean I guess you could argue after a while they got “better” but the company itself was and still is dog shit.

>>20421672
Vtubing is a very non-standard industry with a lot of flakey people involved. You're not gonna get a whole lot of dependable 9-5 hardworking types that just happen to want to make a living sitting in their house streaming on the internet.

>>20421192
Source?

>>20420627
Fuck you.

>>20421880
all the small corps are pretty shit in various ways, people just finding the least of the worst

>>20421905
rrats is the only source I have

>Talent with a design by Nam leaves
>Face(s) of the company leave
>Management staff who was fucking things up gets fired
I've seen this before...

>>20422069
>coming in with a bit of tea
Stopped reading there.

>>20420458
>posts shit we knew since december
how out of the loop are you?

>>20421463
>This is pretty standard for all Vtuber companies
Source: someone who does this shit and doesn't want to look like a black company

>>20420847
small YAB for a small indie company. Please understand.

>>20420458
lol seems like a great place to work

>>20422069
except they didn't sell all the assets. They were recycled and given to CyberLive's current talents, because Yunity's management is CyberLive's management. Misaki was the 17 year old manager.

>>20421065
the ceo said in one golf night that they gave lumi a raise, thus making her a vtuber with the best cut for themselves, but never heard of anything more

Why didn't you believe her, anon-kun?

>>20421192
Guess they broke up and owner found a new toy.

>>20422906
Green woman wins again

>>20421111
Yes. Basically said fuck it and went off the internet in December. Lumi was instead set up as the new manager (she is a vtuber working for the company) and she literally just graduated and will be leaving the company in 2 weeks

>>20420458
Watamage is on a roll

>>20423053

>>20422906
How much does it cost to get her to say something nice about you? Is Cyberlive just too broke to afford it?

>>20421065
>>20421262
What the fuck, why not just quit? What's the point of becoming a vtuber if you're not even having fun being one?
Lumi has enough followers and finances to give the company the finger and go indie with a new model.

>>20423182
Well.. she did quit. Her and her genmate graduate on the 31st

>>20422906
Terumi is literal sex

YEAR OF THE YAB
YEAR OF THE YAB
YEAR OF THE YAB

>>20423182
She is quitting in two weeks. And Cyberlive's funky contract lets her take the character with her.
As others have said, she was probably roped in with the classic "This is only temporary. And you're our best employee!"

>>20422069
Literally everyone from cyberlive is /here/ so I can believe this

>>20423182
She did quit. She is graduating on 31st this march

Took long enough, way too fucking long.
Bitch went MIA in early december

>>20422616
kek

>>20422906
AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE HOPEFUL-SAMA I KNEEL

Lumi needs to make it into Hololive... Yagoo, do your thing please.

>>20423227
>>20423242
>>20423248
so who is left in cyberlive?

>>20423343
Roberto

>>20423343
I think just Gen 2 which I guess is basically just Gen 1 now.

>>20423343
>Gen 1 - Pandora and Seina
>All of Gen 2

>>20423343
Utano Pandora
A spic that stream less than Sana
And the gen2 that is legit too good for this joke agency

>>20423182
> and finances
What finances the contract said she keeps the model if she leaves anyway

>>20422775
sounds like bullshit; what numbers, exactly was she given?

>>20422906
Fuck off with this schizo whore

>>20423343
Their #1 is the dommy momma Emma.

This collab she did was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxIHFVSYVeI

Will Chapipipipi be alright?

>>20420458
Didn't read lol

>>20423458
who's on a break lmao

>>20423343

>>20423343
Currently live
https://youtu.be/3xeKRTjiW2U

tdlr

>>20423506
This is going to start looking like the WACTOR line up at this rate

>>20423227
>>20423242
>>20423248
Thanks for the update then anons, admittedly i'm behind on Lumi but she has some great grand strategy streams last year

>>20423506
Emma's picture makes it looks like her shoulders are just comically oversized tits.

>>20423562
She is just graduating from the company not as a vtuber. She will get to keep her model and everything

>>20421135
kek

Wait what, I thought they were doing okay? What the fuck happened? I don't watch them much but I like Lumi for her interesting taste in games.

>>20423523
jesus christ that model is hideous.

>>20423523
Thanks for reminding me.

inb4 gen2 was engaged in corporate espionage

>>20423604
I would be excited for this but unfortunately she's going to Twitch.

>>20423670
Lumi and Yuri announce going independent. A gew weeks later Cyberlive announces they're firing the manager was skipping out on her duties and dumping the work on Lumi. It's reasonable to assume the two events are related.

>Women try to get money via virtual e-whoring instead of just becoming someone's wife
Why

why does a manager have a YouTube and twitch channel

>>20423828
Why indeed

>>20423828
dunno

>>20423680
There is literally nothing that wrong with her model, but i guess you also literally has never seen anything outside hololive so you should just stick to hlgg

>>20420458
Didnt this company have 2-3 graduations earlier including Lumi, who I understand was a big draw for them? Seems they're kinda fucked to me.

>>20421894
There's plenty but they're not hiring those because every EN agency wants their own A-chan t. normal wagie who wishes I could sit at home and just manage some easy ass streaming gig instead

>>20420458
>Her actions caused LE POOR COMPANY TO SUFFER
God I fucking hate corpos.
I hope to see the day Covershit and Anycolor fucking crash and burn.

>>20424025
Its shit dude, even most indies have better models than that.

>>20423303
>Hololive
Lumi garnered a lot of her popularity as a result of a Holo not being able to put out the content that Lumi was able to, it'd be pretty ironic if she went there

>>20424025
>t.cyberlive

>>20423907
>>20423962
At least the slug was a vtuber first before becoming a manager, I still have no idea why Omega exists

>>20424090
To be fair, the glasses she has now are an extra accessory from vtubet studio and not part of the actual model

>>20424089
you must be 18yrs or older to post here

>>20424105
Yeah, one of Hololive's greater weaknesses is the fact they strongly appeal to the broadest possible audience and avoid exploring any more niche topics, unlike indies or small corpos. I recall Baelz saying she had to practically beg and grovel just to get permission to play Bayonetta.

>>20424244
Her facial structure is entirely wrong and they didn't deform any of the other facial features to match the angles of her eyes.
So I guess the rigging is just extremely shit.

>>20421029
Vtuber agencies can't be that expensive to run. Being extremely generous here, the models/rigging are $3k tops each. $30k + whatever the cost of the managers are (since they aren't doing any ads) is basically their whole expenses.

>>20424316
>Beg and grovel to be allowed to play a game Flare already played
What the fuck

>>20421065
I've seen the "someone important is being a lazy fuck so a competent underling has to do their job on top of what they're meant to do" episode a million times. I haven't seen anyone get more pay because of it even once in my entire life.

>>20424316
But thats false Ina played it before without issues

>>20423757
>she's going to Twitch.
She's been a Twitch partner since the start of the year.

>>20424089
Go back >r/antiwork

>>20421330
She could sue over that.

>>20424484
Well like I said I haven't watched her since last year.

>>20424362
I'd say 4k for better models but there's some variety and cyberlive clearly didn't invest in top of the line.

I imagine there's more expenses behind the scenes which are hard to know without actually being there. Most companies will hire clippers and video editors for example, and there have been some ads here and there I believe.
You also have to have some form of web presence and have someone managing everything like collabs and such.

I think you could probably get away with <100k a year even debuting new talents. But small expenses do add up over time. I'd guess it still lays in the 40-100k range depending how proactive they're being and how much they're helping talents with things.
Probably closer to 40k though.

>>20424316
I think you might be getting confused. Ina already played Bayonetta.

Reminder lumi pays out of her pocket her own clipper

>>20421672
If you did that in this industry you would lose 99% of the participants in 4 days.

>>20424316
>avoid exploring any more niche topics
Mori does dumb shit for her niche interests and gets burnt for it. I don't think TTRPGs have broad appeal, especially if it's NOT DnD 5e. Of course they try to avoid controversial topics like politics or other touchy subjects, but in EN, Ame, Mori and Gura try to sneak in questionable shit past the radar. If anything, I'm glad Hololive is just doing their own thing because they bring attention to normally underrated games and then gain adoption by those down the line. The Rimworld and Frostpunk arcs in the indiesphere were welcome after Gura and Kronii played those games. Now... if Only they manage to play Dawn of War, Vermintide or Warhammer Totalwar...

>>20424025
No anon, her hair is dragging and moving on parts where it shouldn't and her jacket doesn't move according to perspective. Other than that is alright I guess but fucking up the rigging in or near the head is a big nono.

>>20424816
Planned is different than unplanned.
A streamer who isn't streaming multiple times a week is going to be ignored and stuck at 0 views. As an agency that's a waste of money and other than a few stand out cases most the smaller companies have consistent schedules.

Tsunderia having the hiatus meme still have forward warning they weren't going to be there. The only one I can think of that just randomly dropped off was Luto.

>>20424086
You gonna work for whatever peanuts they are paying the managers of a vtuber startup?

>>20424380
>>20424428
>>20424673
Sorry, you're right. It was Bayonetta 2 she wanted permissions for. Ina and Flare played Bayonetta 1, not 2.

https://youtu.be/cYRLOPfKS2Y
Don't fall for her trap

>>20424362
Behind the scenes it can be pretty expensive:
- Lawyer retainer to write talent contracts, review sponsorship deals, and ensure compliance with labor laws
- Video editor on retainer (or full-time, depending on company) to do announcement videos and clips for individual talents
- Social media and/or community manager
- Manager to handle commercial negotiations and contacts
- Technical support (even more tech support if they use proprietary software like Holo/Niji)
- Human resources, accounting, and salary management
And so on.

>>20420458
No wonder Lumi couldn't commentate on /vt/ league 2 divegrass holy shit. She was swamped with Misaki's work

>>20425095
To be fair many of these can just be shoved on the same person.
You don't need entire departments handling salaries and accounting if you have a company of 10 people. Usually the owner just handles it.
Same with things like technical support or social media, none of the small corpos are making proprietary software, they're working off apple apps.

Video editing is usually just commissioned, they don't need to retain anyone for consistency because its usually pretty amateur anyways, and often it just falls on the talents. Even nijisanji debuts are usually handled by the talents themselves.

Small companies aren't like larger corporations, there's a whole lot of just person to person handling of things with the owner and founders handling the bulk of duties.

>>20423805
Because then they have little to no extra responsabilities.
Why do you think Lumi left some time after she was made manager and given extra responsabilities.

>>20422906
Cyberlive getting dunked on by a tranny holy shit

>>20425404
Because she was not being paid for her extra work on top of how shit the company is being run?

>>20424951
I won't quit my day job right away obviously, it's not exactly a high effort workload in the early phases

>>20425130
Lumi couldn't commentate on /vt/ league 2 because of the nigger incident in the winter cup.

Come home

>>20423088
>HEHEHEHEHE

>>20425404
Well, a coworker quiting and getting her duties thrown at you is a good reason for you to quit as well, specially if you're not even paid extra for it.

>>20425493
Anon, she can't be a tranny.
She posted her tits in /r9k/ and they were massive.

>>20425682
Source?

>>20425682
Small and brown, anon

>>20425538
I just don't like anyone in Tsunderia desu.
Miori is a whore.
Yuuna plays up her retard schtick far too much and its gone from cute to annoying.
I never see Purin
Meru has always been a constant menhera whining and being depressed on stream, and she can't even make a functioning poll after streaming for like 2 years.
Does Char even exist anymore?
Urara is actually retarded and incompetent. Its actually painful to hear her talks on rebranding with how stupid she is with it. The name is shit, if you're not going to change the name changing the logo isn't going to do anything.

Lisa just feels like Mio-zoomer edition
Amiya is somewhat okay but she just gets on my nerves and feels like she's trying too hard to be "cute" as well. You can be cute and act cute, but there's a haggish desperation to her that feels pathetic.
Kallin is okay, but she's just a boring streamer.

All the guys + nen are boring.

But I'll be honest, Miori and Meru are the main reasons I just want nothing to do with that company.

>>20420458
who

>>20423828
How else are you supposed to make a comment in one of the channels you're managing?

Why do the smaller groups always get this kind of shit? Let Cover and Anykara slowly erode away while the little guys strive.

>>20425742
I don't save 3dpd. Go ask /wvt/. The one in the trashcan.

>>20420627
>Holy shit, why would you put this out? This makes your company look like shit.
What, you'd prefer them to be extra shady about it and terminate her without even the slightest explanation?
>>20420458
Well shit, guess the whole "she's active behind the scenes" thing wasn't real after all.

>>20426001
>Why do the smaller groups always get this kind of shit?
Simple. Budget options result in budget results until you find that one genius who both performs beyond expectations and inevitably takes over the whole project.

>>20425789
>but there's a haggish desperation to her that feels pathetic.
That's the point, bro. It's an old lady wanting to feel young again, and that's fucking hot.
>No mention of Orla

>>20426130
I blackholed Orla because she's ugly.

>>20426130
I'd say no mention of Hanabi either, but he did mention "all the guys"

>>20426211
Okay actually I'll retract that.
I really like Hanabi, but she was gone for like 6 months and I forgot about her. I don't know if she's back.

>>20426301
She's on hiatus (again) to focus on school.

>>20426301
>I don't know if she's back.
Anon...

>>20426353
>gona again
Hanabi HATE

>>20425789
>Urara
>Retarded and incompetent
That crazy bitch salvaged the company when it seemed like it was on the verge of collapsing and has managed to turn it into one of the most stable and respectable of all of the EN start ups. She may be a weirdo but she sure as hell isn't incompetent.

>>20425789
For all its faults Tsunderia is a business and Cyberlive is not.
Prism is a black company but its an actual company and Cyberlive is not.
Phase might spend half their meetings playing minecraft and discussing the merits of older versus newer hentai but they are a business and Cyberlive is not.
Wactor might have fired half their talents but it is still a business and Cyberlive is not.
And to think you were all coping and seething that you couldn't collab with the other companies yeah no fucking shit. Businesses work with businesses. Cyberlive does not. It does not work. It is not a business in any sense of a business. It merely pretends and now is punished for it. How can the letter of dismissal be so unprofessional? Not a business. Not

>>20426504
I mean, Wactor is unprofessional as fuck too.

>>20425538
tossed them in the bin after they debuted m*les
then when Slugma took to twitter to basically say
>I'm not in charge of hiring talent
my reasons for dropping were solidified knowing even the manager doesn't have faith in them

>>20420627
It saves face with their current talent to hopefully make them reconsider leaving.

>>20426504
>wactor
>business

>>20426496
She really hasn't.
The only reason people like Tsunderia as a corp is that they were always one of the more open and honest ones. Which I can respect, but at the same time a lot of the things they say are just retarded. They're in the upper tiers of smaller companies solely based on the fact they started early and have had good will.

Even how they talk about what they look for in applicants is just inherently flawed. I understand what they're going for but its stupid.
>we don't want talent, we want potential and will hire potential over talented people
While I know this is mostly cope because talented people aren't applying, it hurts them when all their streamers are extremely unprofessional. When you entire corp is at indie tier, you should be hiring people who are good in the here and now, not people who can be good in 2 years from now after the craze is over.

>>20426504
I wouldn't call suing 5 of your former talents a "business"
Then again they are chinks, screwing people over is in their nature

>>20422906
I fucking love low voices, but this bitch's is too much, I'm still not conviced she's even a woman.

>>20420627
They apparently had to put everything on Sato and also put her in the grave. I have no idea if everything can be put at her feet, but it’s heavily implied that they lost Lumi and potentially others because of this person. They probably should have done a polite “part ways” earlier rather than lean on Lumi and push her out, but hindsight is 20/20.

>>20426726
No matter how retarded Tsunderia's business strategy is, they have a business strategy and Slugma streams it and that alone is her primary appeal. Wouldn't be surprised if her core audience were indietubers on alt accounts gosling the fantasy of having a dommy mommy manager.
>>20426726
Wactor is latino

>>20420627
>This makes your company look like shit.
No, this does.

>>20426876
>They probably should have done a polite “part ways” earlier rather than lean on Lumi and push her out, but hindsight is 20/20.
Problem is, "earlier" meant literally the time of the gen 2 debut.

>>20426929
Nah wactor has japs that started to do spanish streams as an attempt to save the company when everything else failed. It kinda worked.

>>20426391
Hanabi finally burned out on Genshin and can focus on school
At least that was, until Hanabi went and picked up Enstars

>>20423506
Graduatuing

>>20426929
Her chat is composed of three kinds of people;
Indies asking mane-san help wat do
Tsunderia/Small corpo DDs
People who like hags and OLs, Me

The only tsun I watch is her, Orla and Amiya. The other companies don't have women like them.

One one hand, it's real unfortunate how these small companies have all this VC funding and some amazingly talented girls, yet mismanage them so hard.
On the other, I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the large JP corpos love to amplify drama from these small corpos just to keep them down.

>>20427139
How? Everything they're doing is self-inflicted. The only time they even interact is when they very rarely poach a talent.

>>20426726
>They're in the upper tiers of smaller companies solely based on the fact they started early and have had good will.
Their reputation was in the gutter after Kana and Ria left and both gave poor management as one of their reasons for leaving, basically all of the benefits they got from starting early went out of the window then and there.
The good will they have right now has all been built up from scratch since then, starting with them bringing Miori on board. They've completely earned their current good rep.

>>20427139
>amplify drama
Do you think Yagoo keeps hacking into their accounts to post these retarded announcements or something?

>>20427222
To be fair Kana is an uber menhera schizo. At least that is very clear now.

>>20427222
I'd say the rep is fine, as a agency its fine I just don't like any of them.
And Urara was around for the whole kana/ria scandal, its not like they brought her on to salvage the company its been under her watch the entire time.

>>20427139
Every time cyberlive does something people bring out muh hololive boogieman. Yes you are in competition with bigger companies. No, they are not always fucking with your schizo ass. No, big companies spend more time fighting each other than indies. Its time to accept criticism or find better copes because muh big company thing is getting old. Not even Tsunderia who got the m*les hype pulled out from under them by Niji seethes as much as CL

>>20427139
>Hololive told Misaki to abandon her job as a manager
>implying Hololive even gives a fuck what some random western 2view company does
LMAO

>>20427413
The tsunderia males were doomed from the moment they were conceived as a concept. I assume they know that now and won't bother coping about it.

>>20427515
I think Kazu took one look at the fanbase for NijiEN's boys and was glad he ended up where he's at. He can just be a shitposter in peace.

>>20427696
>looks at vox
>haha yeah who wants 200k in 1 day

>>20427355
Urara was around but at the time she was basically just another staff member, whereas now she's basically running the company.

>>20427747
Better spread that asshole wide for the chink cum to flow in

>>20427134
She's a vtuber's vtuber.

>>20427747
Kazu had just one singular fan that was the kind NijiEN's boys got and you could tell he was just weirded out by it. Funnily enough she mostly jumped ship to NijiEN now so Kazu's been chilling. And still making his apparently pretty popular music on his roommate account.

>>20427841
She has said in the past she doesn't run it and that there's managers above her anyways.
She's just the public face.
>>20427866
Kazu is a chink.

Kneel before the QUEEN

>>20420458
Who’s cyberlife?

>>20427515
True, introducing males to a previously female only corp (whose members have a history of being menhera and parasocial as fuck) tends to end badly for the guys.
Add to that their status as a small corpo and Tsun's shaky rep and yeah, dunno what Slugma expected.
>>20427696
True, I think even Tomo mentioned that he didn't want to be in a big corpo because he felt he wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure and audience size.

Who?

>>20427139
WACTOR is all the proof you need to know they do it to themselves.

with all this yab going around. mark my words Phase Connect is next

>>20426504
hearing about pc meetings always makes me laugh

>>20428690
Pippa drops the gamer word and gets banned from youtube.

>>20428823
At this point she could, if banned, stream on dlive or whatever and half her audience would follow her. Then she would pull a keemstar and just come back to youtube like nothing happened.
>>20428690
I bet it's a gen 2.

>>20428690
>>20428823
Everybody in the company has a career destroying yab, except for Pippa

>>20420458
>no intention of closure at this time
cyberlive closing down by the month's end confirmed

>>20428823
I think you underestimate the Yabbit. There is a method to her madness.

>>20428823
>gamer word
She is beyond that

This is now the /small corpo/ thread. What company will rise to fill the power vacuum the Cyberlife left behind? My bet is Idol

>>20431232
are you kidding? Cyberlive didnt leave any sort of power vacuum behind. they had no power in the first place.

>>20427892
I remember that one, kind afunny how quickly she left him for the NijiENmales, even more so considering how, after that, she calmed down somewhat in Kazu's chat which led to him reading her messages a bit more.

>>20431232
But Emma is still in Cyberlive. Losing Yuri and Lumi means they lost nothing

>>20431417
I should clarify I mean: shitposting vacuum
>>20431540
>he doesn't know

Cyberlive is, and always has been, a tax scam.

>>20420627
Even if you want to wring her out to dry, there are more professional ways than this, wow

>>20427995
Still waiting on that rebranding.

>>20420627


If anything you don't even need to make an announcement at all. Do companies like 2434 or cover make a presser every time they promote or demote someone in the office? No they don't.

>>20431928
Anon, you don't understand how PR works, do you? Not only does announcing it make the company look better by showing immediate change, it even shifts some of the blame of the problem to the person being fired. As opposed to keeping quiet and making it look like you don't care, or are protecting problem employees due to nepotism.

It's the same reason why pretty much any club, corporation, political party, etc, publicly announces expelling or firing a person that has gotten into some sort of controversy. It distances the company from the troublesome individual to reduce reputational damage.

>>20420627
Anon, most vtuber startups are led by autistic neets who can't do basic PR, there were the Kawa and Lunaria yab, and many more agencies who are stupid enough to air their dirty laundry in twitter

>>20426001
Protip: Anycolor and Cover started out as technology companies(and still are) that expanded into vtubing.

>>20432301
Truly spoken like a person who never manages projects and client's expectations.
Admitting your company being negligent verbally is already shooting yourself on the foot, not to mention doing it on a public statement black on white. The rule of thumb for maintaining your brand is that you should not admit that you're wrong even when you're wrong. Always focus on the positives like "We would aim to be better" or some other bullshit

>>20423593
that's just Emma's design

Seems karma finally got to Misaki. I'm glad, but I hope she finally learns from this, as I had hoped she did after Yunity. I also hope the girls staying in the company will be able to recover from this. They're nice people and don't think they deserve to be treated with fault because of an incompetent, young manager.

>t.ex-talent

>>20420458
Who the fuck would want to be involved in management after seeing the disrespectful way they're handling Misaki's termination? I can't remember the last time I saw a corporation handle a change in personnel with less tact.

>>20420627
They are not a black company like cover.

>>20420458
This feels like the opposite of when a somebody comes in for an interview and talks mad shit about their former employer when asked what made them leave. Super unprofessional.

>>20432835
Naw. Hololive said "yeah, this is our bad" about Nene tracing but Anycolor said "he did it before he was with us, this isn't on us" with nipple gate. Which one went away and which one lost 3 sponsorships?

>>20432301
>It's the same reason why pretty much any club, corporation, political party, etc, publicly announces expelling or firing a person that has gotten into some sort of controversy.
What? I work in high profile engineering and do consulting for the government. Neither the private sector or my gov agency would ever do this. They actually do their best to let underperforming employees off lightly to not damage their future employment prospects

>>20432835
>Admitting your company being negligent verbally is already shooting yourself on the foot, not to mention doing it on a public statement black on white.
Anon, these are entertainers that constantly speak to public audiences, it's not like they're only releasing statements through a lawyer like a generic white-collar worker. If Cyberlive tries to bullshit through it like you suggested the talents can just tell their version to the public directly. (nd with the emotional investment the audience has in the talents, as opposed to the company, they're far more likely to believe the talents. Worse yet, transparently lying will probably backfire and make it look like the company is in denial or just being dishonest, neither of which can do it any good.

>>20424362
>models/rigging are $3k tops each
Bs, not even people working for indies charge that little
https://2wintails-comms.carrd.co
Design fee and commercial rights are a given even if the rigging and drawing itself aren't that expensive if you take into account the chuba is going to make a lot more than 3k on a regular basis

>>20427937
she did sort of jokingly say she can sneak stuff through cause her ideas have turned a profit more than anyone elses. so i'm inclined to believe she is more than just a public face just very valued on her choices and opinions business wise

>>20423506
Why did Hylo graduate? Was it also because of management?

>>20425682
That's awful where can I find archives of it to report it

>>20424627
>>20434467

It does cost a lot more than 3k to have a good looking high quality model. CL cheaped out on their first gen models. they were definitely not in that price range. Their second gen art looks nice, but rigging probably didn't cost much. 4k a model is probably the most they paid per model for gen2. 1.5k is probably for gen1

>>20434552
yes

>>20420458
I appreciate the transparency. Good for CycberLive.

>>20420458
Hence the importance of having functioning management, which was not happening here.

>>20420847
It's not a big deal

>>20434552
i just CANNOT wait until Hylo comes out and say something about Misaki. it will be GLORIOUS. come on hylo come out and spill the beans

>>20434552
they told her to stop playing amogus

>>20431232
Idol will end up buying out all the smaller companies

>have a 17 year old manager
>wonder why it went to shit

>>20435563
SHE SAID SHE WAS 12

>>20435308
They probably had her sign an NDA to not talk about any company secrets.

>>20420627
What would you expect from some retards living on their mother's basement calling this joke of a group company?

>>20435809
>>20435809
We are talking about Cyberlive. All of their business decisions are bad. Who wants to bet that NDA expires or has a loophole

>>20433737
The two situations aren't even remotely comparable retard, one was a stupid bitch tracing a drawing from an artfag, the other was a faggot stealing a product from another company, Jap companies are fucking nuts when it comes to piracy.

>>20432835
>>20433922
Not the anon you guys responded to, but I don't think it's bad idea to be transparent. It may work in other industries (engineering or others) or related but bigger companies (Hololive or Nijisanji). But as a small company where a simple lie from a talent/worker can end you, I feel they made a good choice by making the statement (and being the first to in this situation) and justifying their actions.

>>20436374
Kodansha owns the art, not the artist, dumbass.

>>20436857
lol.
lmao.

https://cyberlivecorp.com/
They're closing.

>>20436978
holy shit

>>20436978
their website has been down for like a month or two already

>>20437207
Ahaha... That probably means Misaki was in charge of the site and the account for the site.

>>20436978
Their jetri is still up but they don't have an official home page for some reason
https://cyberlive.jetri.co/#/

>>20437381
That's not run by Cyberlive though, maybe they do it for free

>>20424756
I've seen a thread saying this is a good thing for smaller vtubers, it's easier for someone new to be exposed with a clip than stumbling into a channel full of multi-hour vods

>>20437793
Really that so weird? It's listed as CL's website on their twitter. Then again their email links to the dead wix site

the more all this shit keep happening the more it just feels fake and gay

>>20434590
Dude all you need to do is look at the riggers name to know that Cyberlive gen 2 has some of the best riggers you can get today instead of making up bullshit.

>>20435379
thats inhumane

>>20424501
Better than sucking musty old man balls

>>20426001
Anykyara is ANYCOLOR, aka Niji?

>>20424827
>Mori does dumb shit for her niche interests and gets burnt for it.
What? Mythbreakers was a success with the audience. That the talents couldn't keep it going -for whatever reason, I'm not even making a value judgment here- is a separate matter altogether.

>>20444148
It was successful that she managed to pull it off and she managed to sell it to her audience, but it... didn't have any lasting influence down the line outside of Hololive because no one is running TTRPGs in the indiesphere that isn't just DnD. I'm even disappointed in NijiEN because all they did was DnD. Aside from the smaller indies I watch, I mean. If she continued Mythbreakers, and I really wish she did, it could've lasted long enough to cultivate an adjacency with the TTRPG hobby, and thus attract people of that type.

But by niche interests, I meant her style of humor, style of music, and tastes in games either conflict with a good number of Hololive fans or runs into Atlus-shaped walls. It's a miracle that Hololive has Fromsoft permissions now because she can actually play games she likes. I wouldn't say she's incompatible with Hololive, but she does encounter resistance. And that's okay because we need people who skirt the edges, whether they get hate or not.

>>20420458
There's this phenomenon known as "holorot" in the indie sphere, where indie vtubers think that just because it worked for Hololive it'll work for you too, ignoring the massive differences between a major vtubing company and literal mover of the industry and a literal nobody that no one even knows the name of.

I think there's a similar case to be made for small vtuber companies who unironically buy into the family image that Hololive puts out and think that they can run a vtuber company by just gathering a bunch of motivated people and giving them the resources to succeed and forget that running a company is in fact a business and you can't just rely on the goodwill and motivation of your employees.

>>20420458
Hey /clg/bros there's no /clg/ thread. Last one 404'd I know it hurts rn but please make one so we can observe your cope & seethe fr fr. Thank you

>>20423407
>>20423439
>>20423506
I hope Pandora leaves.

>>20445045
/wvt/
Refugees welcome

>>20426971

>>20425534
>Lumi couldn't commentate on /vt/ league 2 because of the nigger incident in the winter cup.
Admitting you want to be raped by a pack of them is pretty bad for your public image.

>>20431232
this guys are already playing the victim card, they will rise over the other small corpos in no time

>>20425534
That was autumn tho, also with her being an indie does it means that she'll be back for spring?

>>20445786
Playing the victim while having power over you so you can't say otherwise is what they do best.

>>20425789
>but there's a haggish desperation to her that feels pathetic
rude...

I WILL DESTROY EVERY CRINGETUBER I CAN GET MY SWEATY HANDS ON
I SWEAR IT
YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH

>>20439764
Do more research anon. Maybe try finding what their rates are instead of fanboying over some rigger. Come back when you know their rates. (I do know that’s why I’m calling your attempted namedropping bullshit)

>>20439764
They fucked with Chapipi though, which is probably their best diamond in the rough in terms of quality without having to "i am ovulating anon-kun" almost 24/7, or just 24/7 for Enma "Top Dom Top Sub"

I thought this was funny at first but now I'm actually crying. Bros what the fuck?

Which way, /clg/?

Why is the name "Vera Vee" familiar? Was she in some sort of previous yab?

>>20422678
does this mean the owner broke up with the underage? was today her 18th birthday so he wasnt interested in her anymore?

>>20445214
guess that confirms shes white

>>20434552
It was because they wouldn't let her speak in her normal voice.

>>20449491
she sounds exactly the same now though

>>20421668
>SOVL Flash game stream gets cancelled
bros... is there still chuubas who play games like this?

>>20425538
Wrong picture

>>20420627
Because transparency is better than a dozen schizo rumors?

>>20420458
Misaki is a whore

>>20434552
No.
It's because she's mentally unstable from ADHD, did stupid shit behind the scenes, some NDA breaches publicly to boot and then realised corpo life wasn't for her because there's an actual obligation of responsibility to not just the company but to her fellow talents as well that she was no longer willing to fulfill.
This was all shit before Lumi even became manager and Misaki went on her 'holiday'.
So they agreed to mutually part ways.
This isn't to just shit on Hylo either, I just hate when people keep mixing up timelines and spread it as truth and excuses as seen in the replies to this post.

>>20450891
Hylo just isnt fit for corpo life, she's way too dangerous and stupid for herself and everyone else close to her. All the biggest and worst things that happened to Cyberlive was thanks to her. She was the biggest blow to their reputation and she's way better off now that she's gone now.

Vera LOVE

>>20422069
That reminds me about that shady South African startup, what was it Mysteria live? Their CEO also hired his JK fucktoy but I don't think she was a manager just a privileged talent, still seem like a bit of a pattern with this chuuba companies.

>>20444868

The Japanese branches have played TTRPGs before, though mostly one-shots I believe.

>>20426504

What's wrong with PRISM?

>>20451562
I wouldn't worry about JP. Their RPG background is centered around Call of Cthulhu and thus have their own culture.

>>20423523
Poor chips. I guess luck is a huge factor in showbiz

>>20422678
>misaki was the minor
She didnt sound or behave like a minor at all on her streams

>>20451847
I don't know what else to tell you. They are the same person, and always have been.

>>20451562
>What's wrong with PRISM?
Extremely retarded management that constantly screws over their talents in one way or another, the most notorious one being gatekeeping memberships behind a sub count too high for a corpo like theirs to realistically hit for a long time among other stuff you can ask /ppg/ about, but in general it's mostly the management.

>>20452285
But you all seemed to get along so well back then. I guess that wasnt real huh

>>20449156
Not only white, but russian zomg

>>20420458
>Head manager is one of your streamers
But why?
>>20451517
>Mysteria live
>Mysta rias

>>20452636
i cant believe lumi invaded ukraine

>>20452378

I see, thanks!

>>20448625
VStars fiasco

>>20424316
>Yeah, one of Hololive's greater weaknesses is the fact they strongly appeal to the broadest possible audience and avoid exploring any more niche topics, unlike indies or small corpos.
I think it depends how you look at it. From a business perspective small agencies are even more reliant on catering to established fanbases within the vtuber sphere than the big ones since they run on very limited capital and can't (or don't want to) risk spending money on talents they aren't sure will successfully establish, well as far as it goes for average samll corpo talents.

From a chuuba perspective though I feel they can get away with slightly more unusual choice in f.e. games than most big corpos.

God damn they don't want her to get any work ever again with a statement like this. RIP her career.

literally who

>>20422678
>Misaki was the 17 year old manager.
She knows too much shit that only someone over 25 would know.

>>20452949
it's just outward PR and makes it easier for fans to have someone to associate with when having professional/serious questions you don't want directed at talent but wouldn't mind being out in the open. like slugma for tsunderia or sakana being known as ceo and talking in discord for phase, or A-chan from holo.

there's plenty of benefits and it varies from company to company how they handle it.

>>20456432
She talks too much about older zoomer or younger millennial shit. I doubt she's near 17 but probably is a deadbeat of some sort. From the way she talked about flash games she is definitely in early 20s at worst.

This whole thing is just bad luck they bought stuff from that other company but gen 1 for cyberlive is cursed from manager to the combination of talents. The new manager is very kind and loved especially by 2 of the talents who play games with her in her own vtuber discord. So i hope all the weeds have been pulled or any left can be pulled out without much trouble. Don't want to see more small corps be written off as black.

>>20456663
Anon... Cyberlive is Yunity. Misaki is the same manager. You guys can cope all you want but the fact is Misaki was 17 and is now 18.