/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20371983
west is the mistake

>frog
>west

>>20371983
It will. In japan, vtubing is about the fans. In the west, the fans are secondary and WHAMEN EMPOWEREMENT comes first.

What did the frog do?

>>20372437
>Frog had a drawing contest for $5K
>twitartist gets dq for shit art
>ask y dq
>mod is asshole. Claims tracing.
>twitardist goes pub
>damage control. Head mod calls retards retards and the retards cant candle being called what they are: retards.
>saurei eventually apologizes. Is now victim of the death threats

>>20373081
i sense saurei dickriding

>Will the behavior of vtubers end up killing vtubing in the west?
I wish but no streamer/youtuber is the new TV show and mutt like watch shit

>>20373527
I want to fuck her feet and choke her with my cock down her throat. I wanna hear her oui ouo non baguette voice vibrate through my dick.

That being said I dont care about this drama. Everyone involved is dumb and its boring. Nothing great happened

>>20371983
>Numbers have been nosediving
SOME numbers have been nosediving, but that slack has been picked up elsewhere, not necessarily in favor of the hobby.

For example HoloEN numbers dropped because Council was a massive dud in terms of streaming hours, right as Myth was running out of steam. You know whose numbers skyrocketed? It wasn't NijiEN, the mantuber growth there doesn't share an audience with Hololive. It was fucking VShoujo, an agency packed to the brim with grifters, whores, and the worst kind of Twitch clout chasers. No one in their right mind would want VShoujo to be growing while HoloEN stagnates.

The Western market isn't going to kill vtubing, it's going to do what it's done to every other hobby and mutate it into a hyper-monetized neoliberal abomination focused almost exclusively on audience extraction for the least amount of effort. It's pretty much already done so on Twitch, and you can expect that economic pressure to affect Holo and Niji on Youtube. Mori collabing with anitubers or Kronii's RM following femcels are going to look like a fucking picnic compared to what's coming up.

Women will never stop being women so they inevitably ruin everything.

>>20371983
>Will the behavior of vtubers end up killing vtubing in the west?
yes, and the entire genre will be better off, but it wont happen until the gura yab
indies will continue to stream tho to dedicated simps

>>20374873
Following up on >>20372430, the audience will likely not regulate the hobby on its own anymore than it self-regulated cartoons, comics, movies, video games, tabletop games, or whatever else nerds were into before. Western customers have become hyper-consumers who will defend anything and keep paying. Idiots defending Sana's 0 streams a month are placid and mild compared to the amount of simping and audience abuse that happens on Twitch right now.

>>20374873
too many buzzwords try again

>>20375379
t.saruei

>>20374873
have you looked at vshojo's numbers lately? rumao

omg the numbers, not the numbers, omg

>>20371983
the way she was so rude it makes me so fucking horny like she knows she needs serious dick correction

>>20375467
Ironlung is the most subbed chuuba on Twitch and one of the top ten most subbed streamers, man. It's terminal (heh).

>>20373081
but was it traced?

>>20371983
God I hope. Western vtubers were a mistake

>>20374873
Vshojo is rising because of its proximity to other popular Twitch streamers. There's really very little overlap with HoloEN viewership, who were mostly the kind of people who were weeaboos before Hololive and just watched anime/played gacha. There are also, for what it's worth, signs that Vshojo might be a passing fad.

HoloEN had a lull in January/February but seems to be picking up again, with more consistent streams and the upcoming 3D (and today's Myth collab).

>>20375617
>holoen
>weeaboos
the western audience is the same as for dubbed anime

>>20375927
>the audience for dubbed anime
Which is nonexistent outside of shounenshitters, who hate Hololive for being girly moeshit or whatever. You're also missing the obvious matter of HoloEN fans very often having started with getting interested in Korone/Coco/Fubuki earlier

>>20375562
I just hope she dies on stream. It would be such an anticlimactic finale to the whole setup of her being terminally ill if she died while asleep.

>>20375595
Better than that, it was a black and white tracing of saruei's own artwork.

And you wounder why you are miserable

>>20371983
fingers crossed it would

>>20373081
T. Saruei
Don't trust this retard, check the previous threads.
>>20289069

>>20376552
jesus, internet drama is so tiring

>>20376552
I quickly checked the thread.
From what I get she said that disqualifications were from suspicions of tracing
In reality it was mostly traced AND/OR low efforts
Her mod is an asshole towards refused submissions
Disqualifications were done in private
Someone leaked asshole mod dms (didn't find the screenshot but wouldn't that be like... admitting that you're likely a tracer?)
Salty twitter artists start calling memes "traced" (which I want to point out how stupid that is because the point of why traced arts are wrong is because you're just taking someone's art, slightly modifying it and claiming it's a completely original piece whether memes never claim to be original in the first place. It's the difference between parody art and art forgery. This really ticked me off and feels extremely disingenuous from those twitter artists)
Twitter mob goes against her and start finding everything "problematic".
Her and/or her mods become extremely triggerhappy
The few messages I saw from her, she seems legitimately like someone who has mental problems. (I don't mean the meme "haha women insane" or "haha zoomer depression". Legit should take a break from public activities and see a doc)

For reference, I only watched a single clip of her playing dishonored. I know nothing of the situation or her past other than she was an artist before being a vtuber and that she is a massive bitch to her fans.
If someone more knowledgable could tell me if I got anything wrong or if there is more to this story, I would appreciate that.

>>20378179you left out the dude who was trying to be a video editor for her but she said no and said she could hire someone off some site called fiver he failed to meet one of the most important requirements got butt hurt and got the twitter mobs to rally for him

Woman moments drive men away immediately.

there's some new drama going on with a few some what popular indie vtubers and a some what popular streamer

Everyone jumping on the YAB-i-oh train ever since Holo vs Niji duel. I hate trendhoppers?? Am confuse

>>20378796
What actually happened:
>guys applies and tells his qualifications
>instead of just saying no she acts like a giant cunt even after he already said goodbye
>he posts it all on twitter
>bitch immediately says she wants to kill herself

>>20379466
dude said he was not that big of a fan anyways smells more like he was trying to start something

>>20379625
No way. If that's what he wanted, he would be shilling his patreon and commissions right now... Oh wait, that's exactly what he is doing.

>>20379625
It's a petty remark after the fact, retard. Humans do this shit all the time as a retort when they feel insulted or wronged. You should've been here during the Mori blow up.
1-year deadbraps going, "I'm revoking my membership I didn't like the whore that much anyway."

>>20379807 he apparently got a one on one conversation with her and bragged about it on twitter and will post what happens when he can

>>20371983
dunno, I only watch Gura

>>20380014
it was her for the art troll thing if thats what your talking about

>>20371983
She had two different modes between her Discord and Twitter account. Everyone on her Discord were simping and siding with her, so she doubled down on her actions there and let her mods run wild. Everyone on Twitter didn't agree with her, so she started playing the victim card and lying.

For example, she goes on Twitter to say she never outed any of the artists who joined her content. About 3 hours later, she's listing artists and their works as trace examples (it's a reference though, not a trace) and saying how she won't really apologize to anyone. She then issues a PR tweet with no actual apology to anyone in it, sticking to her guns on Discord.

>>20371983
French are nasty and have bad manners, so no surprise for me

>>20380170
All the while her and her mods meme about the whole drama until the very last minute, where the grey PR tweet went out. This only happened when she realized other big vtubers were stepping in. She was telling people to eat dicks and giving her staff a pass to circle jerk about it before then.

all art is traced now in day just look at that shika hentai artist chick theres like 3 other artist that trace her work

>>20380170
>its a reference
rumao

>>20378179
This post from last thread summed it up pretty well:

>Saurei has art contest
>Tiny vtuber submits art
>Saurei announces during judging that tracers were disqualified
>Tiny vtuber finds out after the contest she was disqualified for tracing
>She is angry because she was never given a chance to defend herself (as a vtuber, she literally had a vod of her drawing it in real-time to prove her innocence).
>Saurei's mod basically belittles her and says, "lol, too bad"
>(Side note for non-artists: Accusations of tracing can be a career-ending hit to an artist's rep, which is part of the reason the small vtuber was so angry.)
>Tiny vtuber posts the exchange to twitter
>Saruei backs up rude mod's behavor
>Twitter mass dogpiles her
>Saurei begins mass blocking to avoid criticism. Ends up blocking a lot of random people who are just asking innocent questions or offering gentle advice.
>Blocking people who were being very polite or genuinely asking questions makes Saurei look thin-skinned and bad. Especially since some of those blocked were the biggest EN vtuber artists in the world.
>Newegg-style controversy develops: A lot of people who had previously been treated badly by Saruei, but remained silent due to intimidation or thinking theirs was an isolated case, finally come out of the woodwork.
>Even DyaRikku, one of the largest EN vtuber artists, claims "a dozen artists" contacted her about Saruei's poor behavior.
>At this point the vast majority of people on Twitter have turned against her
>Eventually gives a "half-apology" where she only apologizes for a very narrow thing (how she ran the contenst) and sidesteps the bigger issue of a toxic mod and rude behavior
>Deletes apology and reposts it with comments disabled due to the near-universal criticism she was getting in response.

>So that's where we are. Twitter as a whole has turned against her, and her apology has largely fallen on deaf ears.

The contest itself was certainly important in starting the inferno, but not mentioning the rest is like neglecting to mention the cans of gasoline nearby that make that match into the inferno it is now.

>>20380792
If you compare them side to side with a super fast transition like your pic, the proportions are not the same.

Regardless, that isn't even the person's art who started up the whole exposure. This was someone else's art she outed to back herself disqualifying and being a dick to the person she ASSUMED traced.

>>20380998
the shading differences are throwing you off anon, it did the same to me, feel free to try it yourself

>>20380998
The main person who Darius went off on was only suspected of tracing because apparently she has some giga professional artistbrain that just knows the difference. That other art case is irrelevant to the actual accusation of the person she accused of tracing. It was more of an example of her saying she was not publicly outing anyone on Twitter, while actively outing people on her Discord.

>>20371983
>Will the behavior of vtubers end up killing vtubing in the west?
please

>>20380998
The background and foreground details are too similar to be a coincidence. I do think this is traced.

>>20380792
Yeah, Saruei would know about referencing first-hand.

>>20381122
>pic completely chopped up
>still doesnt match
anon just go to sleep, its more productive for you

>>20381192
>only one arm is a major change
>still doesn't match
D-Darius?

>>20379625
>>20379807
He's a nigger what are you expecting?

>>20381248
>completely different hand
>completely different body
anon, just go to sleep, even twitter wont give a fuck in a few hours

i like how someone got disqualified because their head was drawn too small her and her mods are dumb as fuck

>>20381192
I used to be a digital artist myself. Early on I traced a lot, and I found an easy trick to avoid getting caught at a glance was to mirror or rotate the image. (You ever noticed how artists flip the image when drawing on art streams? Flipping the image alone is enough to trick the brain into thinking it's a new image at first glance, resetting image fatigue.)

>>20380170
Ah yes

>>20374873
Saw that article about how they got $11mil from some tech company. Are they gonna be the big name in vtubing going forward. Was council that big a failure?

>>20374873
>Mori collabing with anitubers or Kronii's RM following femcels are going to look like a fucking picnic compared to what's coming up.
Yea just like the niji fox would destroy vtubing right?
You alarmist faggots are all the same, vtubing is still an industry with nothing but growth but you faggots see one person with drama dn instantly go ALL EN VTUBING IS BAD, THIS IS IT, THE FINAL YAB.

Fucking drama schizos.

It never cease to be funny how artists, whose mostly are left-leaning, are always outing as someone who dehumanised their fellow artists while their so-called ideology are centered around humanising people on the paper and constantly nagging western civilization for quantified human too much

>>20381357
yeah, this is totally different. Changing one arm and some fingers is very different. Her own legs and the head nearly align perfectly. Which is it, is it a reference or a trace now? Because it seems like these words swap when it's convenient for her and inconvenient for the artists she accuses.

>>20371983
Japanese Vtubers are smart enough to keep shit hidden, and play a character.

It was never a good fit to make English Vtubers, English women can't handle their bullshit enough to
1) not make it about themselves
2)play a character, instead of immediately destroying their own character
3) keep shit hidden properly

English women only know how to blame everyone else when they fuck up, instead of getting competent.

>>20382030
>Ame's sister stole artwork and didn't pay to artists
>The menhera snail cut her nails off on stream
>the whole Chinese Holo branch being backstabbers cunts
>Rushia

>>20381831
It's obviously where she got the idea from, I'm not arguing otherwise, but it's obvious she looked at it and just drew her own version instead of doing literally the same shit like the mari makinami drawing

>>20382129
The snail... I remember a bunch japs being like "holy shit guys, she's insane. Don't enable her!!!" but everyone ignored them among the 2ch shitposters trying to stir shit up... How right they were... How horribly horribly right they were...

>>20382129
menhera snail did what now? Can someone give me a rundown on that cahs8ituse holy shit.

>>20382268
The mari drawing basically stole the pose, and was considered tracing by her own definition.

The thigh-crush drawing stole the pose AND a character. Or is it pure coincidence there the the two thigh-crush-sitting-on-shoulder drawings both have an a monochrome muscular minimalist guy with an egg-head and identical expressions?

>>20382129
oh and I forgot about that loli that doxxed herself on stream and asked her followers to come to her home and do whatever they want to her as long as their pay her taxes after. And of course, the queen herself, Akira, and her ryona streams.
Western vtubers are actually less menhera than Eastern ones.

>>20382406
Literally removing her nails while screaming and bleeding all over the place on stream while the japs were encouraging her and the en were traumatized begging her to stop. She did a few weeks in a mental hospital after that.

>>20382499
Because it's supposed to be a reference to the original drawing anon, much like a pepe emote. If her intent was to bamboozle you she'd change all that shit instead of making it obvious.

she should have hired a professional to judge the art she has no clue what she is doing

>>20382675
There's a difference between referencing a wide-spread meme used by literally thousands of people, and literally a single-source image. How many people in that audience would have recognize that single source image as opposed to pepe? The "tracing is okay is the source is obvious" argument doesn't really apply in this case due to how obscure the source is.

>>20371983
She was honestly pretty rude and acting like a huge Stacey in here messages. This drama is kind of over blown but it is good she got knocked down some pegs for acting that way all the time. You absolutely should not talk to people like the way she did just fucking felt unnecessary.

>>20383171
And a lot of her other art is traced too. She's a total hypocrite. She traces 90% of the picture, changes part of it to obscure it, and hopes nobody notices.

>>20374873
I think people underestimate how much e-celebs hate vtubers, especially Hololive. They've been looking for any kind of weapon to wield against their competitors, and will say anything from "they're ugly irl" to "idol culture is le bad" to hurt them.
Vshojo will likely be mindraped into dropping their avatars and dating the e-celebs they collab with. They seem easy to manipulate.

>>20383171
The original has 7K likes, almost 900 retweets and had been released less than a month prior, it was just fresh enough to be a "I've seen this before" kinda thing

>>20383601 i remeber when cam girls got pissed at project melody for being more popular on pron hub that was funny as fuck

>>20371983
just take the corpo pill
freedom breeds stupid behavior
being bound by contract create the fear of termination

>>20384482
>freedom means people do things I don't like
No one forces you to watch a vtuber, or be a soulless corporate shill.

I just want to say that I hate that stupid frog bitch.
Now I'll proceed to go to bed. Have a good night everyone.

So she's a bitch and a slut? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo, that's just you're average French woman.
I left that country for a reason.

>>20371983

>>20385154
I give you that, needs alot of soul to chase so much drama like these west indie whores

>>20386122
>I'm french
>French are all shit
>I'm moving all over the place throwing myself around like a massive doodoo ball
>I'm throwing myself in your country now, how do you like the smell?
Why are french like this?

>>20382285
>Shouldn't enabled her
I was there when she did that recorder stream... Qrd?

>>20387110
A few japs from the thread said she was mentally ill and would be dangerous for herself if english fans gave her attention. They were drown in the sea of 2ch trolls. They were right.

>>20371983
Uhhhhhhh...KEKW yup she got new "managers"

>>20372324
Not him, but all of EU is considered in “the west”, Anon.

>>20387303
Yeah but france isn't in europe dumbass

>>20387261
All indies could use a professional one

>>20387198
Just read >>20382613 and damn, she seems so hardworking and I used to drop at her stream from time to time...

>>20387428
Giving her attention turned her into the most tragic case of /meat/ we've seen. Crazy what self-loathing can do to someone.

>>20382030
Why is it always the "muh Japan good" retards that are the most ignorant about Japanese culture?

>>20387261
Farewell Darius. Hello PR department.

>>20374873
>no one
Beebs would love to see Vshojo incline
>in their right mind
oh yeah you're right

>>20387261
Are the new managers trannies too?

>>20386365
I was complaining about French women though. I'm not some self-hating faggot.

>>20383601
Yes Vei totally will. Though Nyanners switching back to flesh wouldn’t mean as much as people would think.
Ironmouse definitely won’t.
But Snuffy has a high chance of doing so despite “not being a part of vshojo”.
And yes I only listed “those four” for the reason you know why.
>>20383840
This was one of the most based things I’ve seen accomplished in terms of an “internet personality”.
I jack off to them all the time, but women who do porn have zero fucking credentials in anything in life when it comes to opinions on matters. And getting a bunch of harlots pissed off that a “cartoon” was making more money than them is one of the finest moments yet.

Why are french women so cute and sexy? They're sluts and cheaters, they're ugly and plain and their accent is annoying and disgusting. Why can't I stop jerking off to them? Why do I get really turned on when I see one?

>>20387335
You think the masses care to make the distinction? The “EU region” includes France.

I’ve never trusted the French

>>20388307
Look at a fucking map of europe and tell me where you see france.

>>20387261
She'll just say she did nothing wrong, throw her jannies under the bus and most people will forget about this in a month. She's good.

can artists tell me why tracing is wrong? no meme answer please.

>>20388368
It’s right next (You) learning how to read.

>>20388514
ESLchama...

>>20388012
When are they not?

>>20388502
similar reasoning as to why plagiarism is widely looked down upon

>>20388580
Think I forgot that “to”, bro?
But for real, I’m not saying “France is a part of Europe”. But rather the term “EU” also includes France.
It’s like “NA” also including Canada.

>>20379466
"im so embarassed" i want to kill myself or kevin spacey moment "oh fuck i got caught time to make up some random victim narrative" i want to kill myself

>>20387198
What drove her crazy though? The 2chans or the EN fans? Feels like there was a key moment despite her being actually mental.

>>20387335
This is easily the worst post in this board right now

>>20388303
They’re like gypsies. Mere objects.

>>20380998
its very clearly traced and then the linework is modified. i did the same shit in highschool art class for practice. the easy way to tell is the shapes around the main composition are identical.

If she suspected him of tracing, but had no proof, dont DQ, just say they lose. It looked like shit anyway. But she openly publicly said "I suspect him of tracing" and to an artist who makes money on what they draw that is a death sentence for their livelyhood. That guy had no choice but to raise a stink.

>>20389067
This is why she now has a professional PR team

>>20389197
Damage is already done, shit like this doesn't get forgiven. New PR or not. Come to think of it, nothing gets forgiven these days. But whatever, play dumb games win dumb prizes.

>>20388502
the job of an artist is to create. if you trace you do not create anything new you just re-use old work. if all artists did this it would stagnate the industry into being the same pictures cycled over and over again.

>>20371983
>Numbers have been nosediving because of yab after yab
Actually Vshojo and big indie numbers are WAY up compared to six months ago. Vtubing is exploding in the twitch sphere.

>>20389389
>twitch is addicted to yabs and drama
no wonder I dont want holo girls to stream there.

>>20388803
She was already mentally ill but the 2chan bullying pushed her even further. EN fan triggered her. From what she said afterwards, she wanted to give people what they wanted. It's important to note that she had both a clinical depression and was showing attention seeking behaviour (and self harming behaviours too). She used to do endurance stream to gain subscribers well past what would be healthy. She appeared to think that no one could ever like her and since doing unhealthy amounts of endurance streams was what gave her subs, she thought her new subs were here to see her suffer. Luckily, she seems to have found professional mental help. I've seen self destructive behaviour like hers used as a defence mechanism to push away people too.

>>20389256
kek, this isn't even a blip on the radar dude, Twitter will just move on to the next drama like it usually does

>>20388735
But canada is in north america. France isn't in the european union, it's not even in europe.
>>20388815
Why? I'm fucking right. Look at a fucking map and see. There is no france in europe.

>>20389478
Shut the fuck up, Darius.

>>20389599
Alright anon, illuminate us, where is France?

>>20389701
Just ignore the shitty bait

>>20389599
>France isn't in the European Union or in Europe

Retard Burgerchama...

>>20389701
France is a country in japan.

>>20389752
That's the Furansu ward in Tokyo, also known as Little Paris by the gaijin

>>20389853
France isn't in the country of japan, it's in the continent of japan.

>>20389898
But I thought france was in south america? The french empire sure is vast

>>20389478
Not if everyone she spurned over the years feels emboldened to release a series of twittlongers on her past transgressions. Receipts about her stealing models or art would be especially damaging.

>>20389389
Yeah, I was under the impression that VShojo was on a major incline.

>>20390000
already happened and it was a nothingburger. sorry dramaman but I suggest you move onto bunny_gif for the latest and spiciest drama

>>20389478
Kys Darius you will never be a man faggot

>>20389993
French empire was in modern day canada.
South america was owned by spanish and portuguese empires. Only two regions and an island is still owned by france but they are relatively small and almost always vote for the far right party so the french don't care about them.

>>20389701
It's in Africa.

>>20390054
It might never happen because everyone involved seems to be the shrinking violet type, probably why she sought them out in the first place. But no, the extent to which Saruei COULD be fucked has not been reached yet. If your a fan of hers I’m sure your just acting tough because you actually know how much she stands to lose. Bridges have already been burned and her reputation is mud, mr. nothingburger.

>>20389389
> Youtube chuubas get the audience that just want wholesome streams
> Twitch chuubas get the audience that wants constant spicy takes and drama every other day
I'm okay with this

>>20374873
Are you implying Japan ISN'T a neoliberal hellscape?

>>20389701
I don't fucking know. I'm french, if I was european, I would know it don't you think? Retard.

>>20391158
The weebs just want to go back to the 1990s anon. They love their mindless consumer culture and would happily eat the bugs and live in the pods, they just want it to not feel like a personal attack directing at their race or gender. This is why you never listen to weebs about how to "fix" anything, they are completely clueless.

>>20371983
People should j
accept that people have social and mental issues, and everyone fucks up. It's not confined to the West either, the whole menhera episode with Rushia was textbook BPD. People should try to help and understand that people have issues, not just increase the level of environmental bitchiness.

>>20380170
the funniest part was she only needed to have a preliminary round saying they didn't make it into the next round without giving details

>>20371983
>why is she so menhera? the world may never know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eof23RUKHUc

>>20388212
>Yes Vei totally will
Showering, hair styling, and putting on makeup is hard sis. VTubing removes a significant amount of work.

>>20388502
Copyright must be defended to protect the profits of mega corporations.

>>20391158
japan is far right and neofascist

>>20391594
Yes, everyone fucks up, and everyone needs to face the consequences of their actions. Up to the person in question whether they improve themselves or not.

>>20392016
Yeah but some people have a way harder time improving. And some will randomly have episodes where they go full menhera from time to time.

>>20392150
Then they have to learn how to cope with those deficiencies, whether it's by learning how to not get into situations, learning how to mend up those situations, or just have a full mental breakdown that will ruin your credibility forever. Life goes on, we can't change the past, move on to something else.

>>20391989
You cant be serious, right?

>>20371983
What did this bitch do? Youtube keeps recommending clips of her but never bothered to watch cuz she got that bitchy know-it-al personality

>>20391223
Ferme ta gueule

>>20374873
This post is great because it really shows how intensely deep the /vt/ bubble is. Do you think that in this era of hyperconnected people that an entire company full of grifters would be as popular as it is? Look at what happened to Saruei once an inkling of her being an asshole got out.

This board needs to accept the fact that maybe the shit people say about vshhojo is fucking exaggerated at best and straight up falsified at worst. When VShojo launched it was bigger than NijiEN is now and people still act like the only 2 names in vtubing are Hololive and Nijisanji.

>>20393548
The only grifter is Vei and she is endearing because she admits it. So you cannot complain about being taken advantage of.

>>20393548
People on 4chan are obsessed with the idea that they have secret information that nobody else has so only they know the truth about a person or group. Anons repeat the same things to each other so often it becomes the truth to them. But as soon as this shining example of the truth breaks containment the rest of the world either laughs because it so obviously comes from a place of schizo obsession, or they don't care because the obvious lies bundled with whatever possible truth exists casts doubt on the entire statement. But sure, go ahead and keep repeating the same /vt/-approved talking points about vshojo over and over in the hopes that someone will take them seriously outside of this site so they'll be taken down once and for all.

>>20391828
do you think Calli's daki was traced?
Come on, internet sleuths, do your job.

>>20394055
Didnt we already proof 2 threads ago that it was traced? It was super obvious as well since not were all the lines the same, she didn't know how to shade it as well.

>>20394094
But I wasn't in those threads, so prove it again.

>>20387261
>Literal bunny and bahroos manager, both who are getting outed for being manipulative dramawhores who talk shit about everyone behind their backs
what a match!!

>>20373081
>Head mod calls retards retards and the retards cant candle being called what they are: retards.
Kek, nice try faggot. Saruei and her mod were the retards in this case.

>>20373081
>Guise!!!!!! IMA VICTEM!!!!!! IM GONNA KMS SO I AM GOING ON A GROOMING SPREE OF 2VIEWS, CRYING IN THEIR VOCIECALLS!!!!

>>20393548
>vshhojo is fucking exaggerated at best and straight up falsified at worst
Ahahaha......AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>20371983
>in the west
not just there

>>20393548
>People with skeletons in their closed can't go main stream.
Oh no, he's retarded.

>>20394224
Can'T you just do your reps? You literally have the picture so it shouldnt take more than a minute

>>20391914
vei is a grifter that admits it so she will do both irl with moderate make up and L2D streams so she can flex that "i'm pretty and you're just jealous" and say she isn't wearing make up bullshit and people will back her up cause they're stupid and assume she's a decent human because she doesn't dress like a absolute whore caked up like a porn star and doesn't look like a bridge troll

>>20394324
>both who are getting outed for being manipulative dramawhores who talk shit about everyone behind their backs
Wait seriously? Can I get a QRD on that? Can't find anything about those guys.
If this is true... Jesus fucking Christ woman, couldn't you find literally anyone else?

>>20379625
Wrong. The dude applied for the position based on info that didn't in any way mention the requirement to be a regular watcher of her streams already and had a ton of relevant experience when it came to the stuff she actually mentioned, she only brought it up in the DMs and when she did that, he said he could start watching her regularly but that was apparently not good enough for ms. mucho texto.

>>20395364
https://twitter.com/JennaLynnMeowri/status/1504102370812305419

>>20395548
>Multiple streamers, including one with 1.2M followers, calling out that guy
>That was barely a day ago
Good lord, it just never ends.

>>20395548
>Vtubers start taking advantage of the drama, making "respect artists uwu" and "dont be mean" posts
>Bunny joining in on that fad, making vicious use of the current controversy for some ez clout
>Meowri suddenly comes out of the woodworks going 'aight lets talk about the shit you did behind my back'
>Manager starts intervening for no reason but gets shut down instantly
>Layna comes out with support for Meowri, makes some pretty harsh accusations along the way
>Bahroo comes out swinging and immediately calls Layna a Bitch

And this is all just the aftershocks of Saruei's Drama
Fucking love the internet man, this is better than any show

>>20395091
But I don't want to...

>>20375562
>most subbed chuuba
Not for long

>>20395938
Not sure if tourist or just lazy - just visit warosu, search for the file and you will find it man

>>20395932
I was supposed to be asleep 2 hours ago but this shit is the gift that keeps on giving. I'm having so much fun.

>>20395991
Lazy, but intrigued, but god damn, warosu? that shit always lags on me and takes forever just to load one thread. But whatever, my curiosity is not bigger than my laziness.
>caption mshty
Seems about right

>>20395548
There's no mentioning of Bahroo in that tweet

Have anyone talked about this?

>>20396199
Scroll down lol

>>20396199
Anon please.
https://twitter.com/AdmiralBahroo/status/1504169645582041090

>>20396253
>Falsely disqualifies someone for tracing
>Literarily just steals and modifies other people's work herself

Do the French really?

>>20371983
western vtubers was a mistake

>>20381119
I don't understand. The person says that suspected is not the same as accused but suspected is still enough to disqualify? So aren't they the same?

>>20396300
Alright i was just too lazy to scroll down, but original comment is
>bunny and bahroos manager, both who are getting outed for being manipulative dramawhores who talk shit about everyone behind their backs
And no evidence of it, just bahroo telling bitches to fuck off and sjw getting mad over it kek

>>20393548
>Do you think grifters are popular in this day and age?
Fuck, it's hard to resist this bait.

>>20396330
Of course they do. Typical French behavior. As far as I'm concerned the only good thing the French have done is baguettes.

all you people obsessed with this vtuber shit are retards and mentally ill, this is coming from a retarded mentally ill mmo addict, get help u pathetic no lifes.

>>20396474
Sounds like being "suspected" is more than enough for Saruei and her mod, even if there's no definitive proof.

>>20396656
i am sorry that you wasted so much money on a 29 years-old hag

>>20396052
We’ll, if you’re gonna go to the trouble, help a brother out and dump what you find in this thread.

>>20396755
Was that the wrong (you)?
I've never given money to a vtuber and never will you fucking retard.

>>20394324
>Bahroo
Isn't the guy a complete disaster of a human being as well or something?

>>20394055
If this is traced post proof to twitter. It will make the rounds.

>be an IRL menhera streamer
>set makima cosplay donation goal
>get it fulfilled
>run away for 3 months, coming back as a vtuber
I wonder how these people are feeling right now.

>>20396863
Mentally ill
Low test

Who the fuck gets triggered so hard over a joke comment and goes into a "depressive episode" over something so insignificant?

Good luck being the #1 most subbed when you can't even handle the tiniest amount of criticism.

Zoomerss are so pathetic with these "oh woe is me" pathetic ass tweets that try to make them out to be some victim and everyone else is guilty but them, pure deranged mentally ill low iq low test retards.

Also saying you want to be the no.1 and have the most subs is basically saying "I want to be the bigger scammer on this platform and have all you retards giving me the money" only to cry when someone says "yeah maybe get some realistic goals bud".

what a fucking retard.

>>20379466
It was one sentence that he got butthurt over. He cried about her saying she could just hire a dude on fiverr but she wanted someone from her community. He got mad because he thought he was being insulted, because people can't into reading comprehension.

>>20395932
It's quite incredible how something that stupid somehow turned into a big Vtuber / streamer battle royale...

>>20397100
>makima cosplay
Isn't that, basically, a wig plus some office clothes?

>>20380887
>Wants to be edgy and tough on the Internet
>Can't handle the heat that comes with it
Every single time.

>>20378796
>faggot does not qualify for her requirement
>gets rejected and told that it is her requirement and if it wasnt the case then she would have already hired someone from fiverr
>faggot gets mad
>rides on the hate train and leaks dms

>>20374873
Too much text I'm sorry but I don't care

>>20397166
>>20397320
Too much text, don’t care!

>>20397247
And lenses. But she really wanted 'high quality gudz'

>>20387303
Greece, Romania and Bulgaria aren't western

>>20288859
Yes. Yes we can.

>>20397537
Jesus Christ, that font is atrocious. I guess it matches the pic.

>>20371983
Would hatefuck her

>>20396493
Who is the sjw in these tweets?

>>20397166
>>20397320
She was taking an extremely rude tone during the whole interaction for absolutely no reason, that's probably what did it.

>>20395548
For fucks sake, I forgot how twitterfied cake/catboy had become. That whole comment chain over the word “bitch” is textbook twitter.

>>20397659
Thank you. I specially picked the one that lacks kerning for the aesthetic. Besides, Impact is so last decade.

>>20396786
I'll be honest, couldn't find shit besides people shitting on how bad the art was for the dakimakura and that she has never made an art stream where the pic is made from scratch.

>>20380230
who is this literal retard and why can't they speak properly

>>20396493
>both bunny and bahroo got called out as pathetic liars with literal proofs
you anon never know how to read twitter threads and click on them ,right

>>20398122
There was proof of her just blatantly copypasting Marine's glasses in the new outfit art.

>>20387261
Those "managers" won't be able to help much as long as Saruei herself or Darius are still around anyway.
Do you honestly think that they'll listen if they tell them to shut up for a bit? Of course not.
Those two are still going to make retarded tweets and Discord posts and they're still going to create even more retarded drama in the vtuber community.

Meanwhile, Fubuki just keeps moving at her own pace
You do you, cute fox.

>>20388502
It's not a huge deal but primarily it's providing false credentials I guess.
People look at your art and expect you to have that skill level, and if hired to be able to produce something equal. But tracing is inherently limited to what you can find. And despite what people meme, not everything has already been drawn. Or if it has been drawn it's a pain in the ass to find.
It also means you're not capable of mimicking styles and can only trace what's there.

So it's basically saying you're at a level you're not at yet and attempting to provide proof.

I guess in the programming world while there are things like SO and just ripping code from githud. It'd be similar to having your own github page filled with copy and pasted projects. It's one thing to use someone else's code for pieces or reference, its another to host it and say it's your own.

ENcuck cope

>>20398974
I'd also mention that artists as a whole are very upward looking. When they see a better artist their goal is to be at the level or to exceed it, and a lot of time and effort goes onto getting better. So when it turns out the person who you were trying to reach was lying it feels like a betrayal of expectations.
Is it silly to expect people to not lie about their skill level? Sure, its the internet. But when you've sunk 1000s hours into something it's easy to get emotional about it.

I'm just impressed it took this long for her usual cuntery to create a major yab.

>>20372430
>In japan, vtubing is about the fans
Imagine being this delusional.

>>20371983
most people are gossips that love the drama though; for instance, i didn't care about Mori until she got all that hate on /vt/ over TT and Lean -- all the antis on this board had this weird psychological effect on me where the more hate she got, the more likable she became in my eyes.

If numbers are going down I think it is because there are more and more chuubas, so the market is becoming saturated. Also the fewer followers/viewers a chuuba has, the more relatable and familiar they appear, since the likelihood of having a response in chat is higher. Many people have a soft spot for the underdog, and this is an industry where both the actor and the audience tend to be autistic weirdos.

>>20371983
I hope so

Y'all think this shit is bad? Try looking at >>20379425 and vid related that went down a few hours ago.

https://pixeldrain.com/u/ELs4fcyE

>>20398252
Pretty much, you can't tard wrangle someone unless you have some form of authority over them. (or if that person is willing to listen to you)

>>20400984
idc modchama

>>20400984
Quickly checked that thread out, it's just some poor girl getting scammed.
It sucks, if she doesn't give up from content creation I hope she'll recover from that.
But it's a completely different situation where everything that happened was unexpected, out of her control and not her fault.
I'm not going to download whatever that video is, though.

>>20401752
Just an archive of the stream an anon uploaded for a few hours on mega that I DL'd and uploaded to Pixeldrain because anonfiles links get flagged as spam, I couldn't send it to the thread before it died, so I'm posting some where for anyone else to download and spread at their leisure.

>>20371983
Western women are whores. Cultures non-compatible.

>>20387261
>Thinking having a manager is going to help
Manheras gonna manhera
Spergs gonna sperg
It is the cycle of life and throwing money at it won't fix the problem unless it involves a shrink and meds.

I can only assume these threads about this boring "dram"a are being made by lolc*w refugees or jealous vtweeting losers with nothing to do and no audience. What a waste of time.

>>20402134
ikr?
i fall for this low quality bait every single time
why am i so dumb?
t. ESL half-breed slavnigger -- oh yeah, there's my answer.

>>20396863
Streamers are usually scammers who want an easy life

>>20380887
how is tracing "verified"?
just knowledge of the art it was taken from?
is there some kind of search engine that can take line art and search for identical line art/poses?
Or is this more blatant tracing where they basically copy everything and not just shapes?

>>20402134
with her current state, she will definitely fuck you.

>>20403313
>how is tracing "verified"?
In this case, it wasn't. The mod just went "well there are SIGNS that my galaxy brain can detect so fuck you".

I can't believe Mori would do this.

>HoloEN boring
>NijiEN whores
>Vshojo boring AND whores
>indies are drama magnets
>small corpos are mostly black companies
yeah I think I will take a break from all of this

>>20403313
The only way to find out if something is traced or not is to actually find the original artwork.
It's not something you can magically detect like that.

>>20404078
that's what I figured
so I was kind of wondering how Saruei could deliver on "traced works are disqualified"
without omnipotent knowledge of all art.
I presume she only disqualified obvious stuff.
but I couldn't be sure there weren't some kind of mature nerds making advanced tools for the purpose.

>>20404942
It's pretty obvious they just disqualified it because the art was bad. They didn't expect the artist to actually ask about it so they just made some shit up.

>>20405102
She showed some truly terrible art on the stream, so I don't think that was the problem.

>>20378179
>In reality it was mostly traced AND/OR low efforts
>(didn't find the screenshot but wouldn't that be like... admitting that you're likely a tracer?)
the fuck you even talking about

>>20391828
birds of a feather...

>>20403320
Boring, is this cliche really your best comeback? You should find something more meaningful to fill your life than pointless vtuber gossip.

>>20371983
It will actually increase numbers. Sanitized kidshit vtuber content is so boring. Introducing human drama will broaden the audience and attack the structures in our brains that demands we keep up with this shit. Why do you think tabloids are so popular? Why do you think content creators literally agree behind the scenes to get into fake drama? Yab is ideal.

>>20405102
If someone is going to make something up, it shouldnt be that for artists. It's like saying, if you were called as a reference for a bank manager for someone, "Oh yeah I suspected him of stealing from the ATMs"

>>20397502
Extremely wrong, burger. If it weren't for political shit, even Russia would've been considered western.

>>20406544
Ily too Darius. Keep manipulating people of convincing that your brainless 29yo menhera is a victim, go get em girl!

>>20387995
What does any of this have to do with me?

>>20372437
>saureis's mod acuses small artist/vtuber of tracing publically
>the art sucks, but is beyond the point since tracing isa kiss of death for any upcoming artist career
>said drawing was done on a stream, publically, and it weasn't traced
>"dun care get fucked"
>saurei backs the mod up
>shit goes public
>shit rains down saurei
>she goes on a blocking spree
>several people that are just asking what is going on also get blocked
>among them some artists from the top 1% of the vtuber artist scene, that only wanted to know what happened
>even more shit rains down on her
>she posts a half assed apology about the way the event was handled
>even when the event wasn't the problem, the real cause of the drama wasn't mentioned
>comment section is a oppen cesspool
>sau deletes the post and makes it again but with coments blocked
>everyone but her stans has turned their backs on her
that's it more or less

>>20381495
Yeah, it reaches a point where you realize these people make up these narratives to justify their anger and paranoia. The narrative doesn’t explain these problems, it’s their excuse to keep having them.

>>20389473
The story I heard about it sounded like she was working for a black company and the stress mostly came from that.

>>20388368
I’ve got a better idea. Why don’t you try to tell us where France is, using as much detail as reasonably possible?

I know you’re retarded or a troll, I’m just curious to see where you’re gonna go with this.

>>20391223
I might be American, but I’ve traveled enough to other countries to know that everyone else is just as retarded as we are. It’s just that everyone has no fucking clue about geography that’s more than a hundred kilometers from their house, and Europeans live in small countries.

You’re French, but that doesn’t mean you’re not an alcohol baby.

>>20396599
Even croissants might be stolen from Austria.

>>20391223
Tu es très très con

>>20397166
The reason the guy got mad is that the statement implies if it weren’t for the fact that she wanted to hire a fan, then qualifications wouldn’t be a thing at all.

She’s saying that as far as this job is concerned, the only relevant qualification is being her fan, and other than that, she cares so little about the rest that she’d be willing to hire from Fiverr for it.

Being a professional at your job and being told that none of the stuff they actually listed is important and if that was all they wanted they’d hire a freelancer is…pretty shitty (and dumb, but we all know Saruei’s a fucking idiot, so…)

>>20376214
Proof? I didn't see anything that would proof tracing

>>20397320
Her requirement is to be her fan. All the other shit is what the job actually needs.

She could have just said that being part of the community is important because that kind of context and knowledge is what makes a good editor whose edits viewers enjoy.

But no, she had to suggest that all parts of being Saruei’s editor that are about editing, not Saruei, is replaceable by Fiverr. Which is both scummy and stupid in terms of long term strategy for any content creator, so if she was just talking shit to be insulting without meaning it literally, then that’s even more stupid.

>>20374873
>hyper-monetized neoliberal abomination
Try again but in human words and not bugman speak.

Honestly, Saru should have not even bothered responding to any of the complaints. That would have helped on that front. The artists that got DQ’d, it shows they haven’t been in many competitions and it fucking shows. Her mod, yeah he should have done better.

Besides all of this shit, the whole artist/creative community is completely toxic. Every. Little. Thing. Is. An. Attack. To. Them. It is literally ridiculous. They would not last a single second in any other field outside of fun made-up land known as Art.

>>20395548
Women were a mistake

Nah, each chuuba has their market, some people like lets-players, some people like ASMR/GFE, and some people just wanna simp or be bullied.
That said, there are so many chuubas between corpos and 2views nowadays, wouldn't suprise anyone some of them do retarded shit to try to keep themselves relevant, what happens to most 3d popstars at the twilight of their career is a good example.

>>20410359
Saruei had years of beef with art community because of her cunt behaviour. She thought people wouldn't forget about it if she ran away with her artfag fans money and turned into a vtuber.

>>20382560
Spoonfeed me please

>>20375562
twitch subs mean literally nothing.

>>20379466
>>20379625
Saurei is a bitch. If you watched her stream before she would go off one people about not having to owe people in terms of her livestreaming her self drawing.

That being said I think both people are shitty people. If I get ghosted or declined in a job interview I dont make a twitter post or tell people. I just move on.

>>20410747
Yup, her and a long ass line of other renown and nobody artists through history and blah, blah, blah.

I mostly like her because she just communicates her thoughts directly and that’s it. Should she be more professional when talking to others in a professional setting, yes. There are ways to be a real asshole and still be professional. Should she filter herself to her community? I don’t think so. But you know, people want to start shit over anything like they or others don’t do the exact same thing.

>>20411011
Seriously. I’ve been declined from a ton of jobs and have had very bad experiences with some recruiters but I never post about it. That’s a waste of time and they’re clearly looking for likes, attention, and growing their base in the most toxic way possible.

>>20393355
>>20409951
Mersi baucoup.
>>20409456
Pic related is a map of the world. Ignore the poor writing and badly drawn borders, I'm on my pc. Red jp is the country of japan and blue jp is the continent of japan. I didn't bother placing most countries. Only the important ones.

>>20411032
She won't fuck you dude

>>20411032
Daily reminder to Saruei, Darius and her trash community.
Kys subhumans

>>20411214
mersi baucoup? Fake frog, it's merci beaucoup you dunce!

>>20411384
Death is only the beginning

>>20411467
mercy buckets, jay comp rend mieux maintenance

>>20411384
Seething little holobrony
Can't handle your oshi getting mogged?

>>20412028
Come on anon, if you were gonna make a post like this then you should've at least picked actual midgets like NijiEN females. Even Council, who are deemed failures, mog the shit out of Saruei in every metric. Cute attempt though.

>>20412576
I meant being mogged in regards to actual talent
Even the actual artist holos like ina or sana can't draw nearly as well

>>20412758
But the frog traces.

>>20374873
>it's going to do what it's done to every other hobby and mutate it into a hyper-monetized neoliberal abomination focused almost exclusively on audience extraction for the least amount of effort.
Bitch that is JP "otaku" culture as a hole and its alright, I don't like Vshoujo because they do that while being annoying.

>>20413032
Where is your proof?
Saruei has never been caught tracing, holos have.

>>20387261
Literally could not have picked a worse manager, holy shit. This vapid boomer unironically posts that live laugh love-tier shit on their Twitter. Also sucks horribly at their job judging by the past 2 days.

>>20413169
>holos have.
proof?

>>20375562
Twitch subs can literally propped up by a single person with no self control

>>20413169
>saruei has never been caught tracing.

>>20413169
Anon, she not only has been caught tracing, she has been caught tracing while drawing holos.

Women need to go extinct. They're obsolete.

>>20413433
>>20413608
look out, fags will be deflecting this in 3..2..

>>20413244
Honestly, at this point, it's like being a horrible person is a requirement to work with Saruei. She's forming her own suicide squad

>>20412028
Get rekt faggot bad answer
Saruei be a hero and do it!!!

>same manager as bunny the scammer and bahroo the retard
>actually used to be a huge part of bahroo circlejerk before chuba times
HMMMMMMMM

>>20415188
New vid by LaynaLazer about Bunny_gif and Bahroo
https://youtu.be/MuZXLEFB46o

>>20371983
Some western indie vtubers constantly fucking whine about everything. They flaunt their influence around and act like they’re above everyone else and when they see more successful vtubers they start getting envious and act like they people who are successful didn’t work their way up. This is why I refuse to watch indies.

Bunch of whores who let envy and greed consume them

This particular Vtuber is a class act though, she talks a lot of shit for still being a low tier anime artist not even fully grasping basic art fundamentals to drawing.

>>20415452
This is good shit, fat bastard going to get cancelled in a subathon and bunny getting rekt (we can forgive if you give nudes lol)

>>20371983
We should port vtubers over to south america as quickly as possible. That way their mega yabs will overshadow western yabs and things will calm down over here again.

>>20416732
nobody cares about spic yabs wactor and nimu do it all the time and nothing ever happens

>>20372430
>In japan, vtubing is about the fans

In japan, vtubing is about the incel fans's money*

>>20406701
dude no, drama and vulgarities can give you stellar numbers but those burn very fast

>>20371983
you mistake cause for effect. the yabs are there as a desperate attempt to keep the numbers up. people got bored.

>>20374873
You say this like we didn't just see Rushia paypig the fuck out of JP fans.

>>20372437
Basically she held an art contest where the winner gets $5k.
Someone got dq'd and asked why.
Artist got feefees hurt cuz he wasn't being treated like a 5 year old.

Nope, the viewers who stop watching the disgraced ones will just move on to another.

>>20418016
>Artist got feefees hurt cuz he wasn't being treated like a 5 year old.
Why do you people insist on twisting the narrative at every point? Saruei and her mod sperged out, went on blocking sprees just because the artist asked for a reason, since there was no mention of the disqualification beforehand. Then the mod just pulled the tracing accusation out of
>his
ass and didn't even show any evidence for it.

>>20371983
I dont care either fuck off

>>20418016
>newfagchama damage controlling by twisting and lying about shit just like Darius and Saruei do
lololol

>>20371983
It's just boring now. Kizuna era is long dead HoloJP hasn't did anything interesting since 2020, vtubing in general went from short kinda funny skits to GFE. People are more into being entertained by mediocrity than coming for the GFE.

>>20388502
It's like if I called myself a photographer and my portfolio consists only of stolen, slightly edited pictures from actually talented photographers