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CURRENT PROMPTS

>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear on the daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What's common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much does the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship their dieties? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?

>>20258491
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?

Here's a short story based on the recent ongoings of /rose/. This involves Rosemi quitting her job and her discussion about /rose/'s new end goal.
I wrote down the idea a while ago, but it was only tonight that my autism was powerful enough to put text to notepad. Hopefully my late night ramblings aren't too low quality. Going to pass out now so future me has to deal with the embarrassment.
https://rentry.org/5zd79
And I'm not forgetting the anchor this time! >>20258479

>>20258451
Oh damn, this looks awesome! Too bad it'll be outdated should /pyon/ get their bunny island... Is that still a thing? Has /pyon/ said anything about the proposal of a couple of threads back?

>>20259220
The globe is an active WIP and will be kept up to date as long as I live.
Also my vote is for pyon island to be shaped like a whole rabbit from a profile, will look a lot more natural than the "face + two ears" usual icon.
Don't remember if /pyon/ said anything about it though.

>>20259339
Think Kiki only said wanting the land to be island and shaped like rabbit without elaborating on it more. The idea's that once the thread decides it's fine for islands to be added for them, one of us will propose the idea to /pyon/ and see if we can reach a consensus that will both satisfy their (and Kiki's) wish without upsetting the current climate. If the vote didn't pass, then they'll have to settle for having /nina/'s island while /gorls/ is divided between /nina/ and /ccg/. Personally, I lean towards giving them the rabbit islands, since it makes them more likely to participate, while freeing up lands for new generals that might appear (/aa/ and the Israeli corpro seems likely candidates).

>>20259139
Very nicely written anon, nice job.
>Brose is blind
DEEPEST LORE
Also, shit, I'm terrified of rosebuds now.
Err, deadbeats are already dead, no life to convert into plants, so don't worry about us aight?

>>20259798
About that... still hoping Calli will play Grim Fandango

>>20259939

>>20259939

>>20250387
Hello again, it's probably appropriate to post this here rather than on the previous thread. After much discussion with my Councilmen, we have decided that we would like for you to consider some sort of Cultural Exchange with us. Given our mutual passion for literature, I think this will be an interesting development for us both. But it's not just literature; if you're interested, we'd be happy to share some of our delicacies with you as well. As we have stated, spreading our culture is one of our country's primary goals.
Being involved in the road project would be a good advantage for us too as we also would like to be friendly with /risu/. As for trade, we have an abundant amount of fish for consumption thanks to our RFA as well as crops (Watermelons as our specialty). And yes, we are very much interested in a Military Alliance as it would be extremely beneficial for both /mep/ and /infinity/. With that said, some of the members of our Council have voiced that an Ambassador of yours was offering Kronii's Milk and we were wondering if that is still on the table as I'm sure some of our people as well as our Queen would certainly... enjoy it.

>>20260371
>our Queen would certainly... enjoy it.
who is your queen?

>>20259139
The quality is fine, and I find the read quite enjoyable! I do think framing it in a story format makes it, as you said, less sterile, and it gives a nice insight into how /rose/ operates. Overall, keep up the good work! and it seems /rose/ and /meat/ might find some common ground under the table... food for thought

Hello friends! Do we have an /ahoy/ rep here? a friendly nasfaq merchant would like to make a deal.

>>20260624
Still Reine. I thought it would be pretty fitting to have references to a Queen that we worship without really confirming that it's her but everyone knows it is, alluding to her vague references of being /here/.

What happens to chuubanite when there's some hints that a chuuba could be /here/? Does it get more potent? More unstable?

>>20260371
Excellent!! Infinity welcomes this cultural exchange with open arms, and looks forward to military alliance as well.

We have coldwater fish to trade, as well as cabbages and potatoes, and kimchi and vodka from those produce. We also have our holy fluids, and for allies such as /mep/ we have advanced clockwork technology which may prove useful to you.

We look forward to working with you, /mep/

>>20262145
Likewise! I'm sure great things will result in this partnership.

>>20256168
>from the previous thread
/meat/heads fracture their bones on wheels, beat their skin with paddles and whips, and engage in some of the most degenerate and sadomasochistic sexual activities for fun. when the body receives damage, it adapts to it, so the bones, muscles, and skin are denser, and the stamina is higher. this happens to citizens every week during religious sermons, what kind of training do you think elite /meat/ soldiers go through? they kind of are super soldiers. in 1v1 no rules cqc they could probably beat anyone else, but they are sorely outnumbered and can't afford to lose much more than what they already have. that's at least my opinion on it

>infinity somehow in good relations with barbaric cannibals, imperial mainlanders, aristocratic nobles, and peaceful tribals
>at the same time
The weirdest meeting table at vtwbg

>>20262614
Now list off the groups that hate them.

>>20262750
Everyone else. But I'm more pointing out they somehow got good relationships with the friends they do have despite all of them seemingly opposite to each other.

>>20262517
They do strengthen their bones and skin through microfracturing and ritual scarring (see Muay Thai practitioner and some tribes' rite of passage), although I'm not too sure about the denser muscle and higher stamina (although it's possible that eating chuubanite-infused flesh might cause theirs to be enhanced that way too). Still, while there's little doubt on /meat/ professional soldiers receiving extensive training, it doesn't make them super soldiers, as their combat prowess, significant as it might be, is still within human limit. I would say other martial societies in this world can probably have a run for it in terms of individual combat strength. /meat/'s unique advantage lies in the combination of selecting those with Mai's blessing as its core military, and the use of fleshgrafting to heal them in practical time. As such, they might well have a lower mortality rate compared with their counterpart and allowing their veterancy to translate into increased skill and knowledge.

>>20262614
Variety is the spice of life after all

What about /meat/ soldiers on kronii milk or whatever juice the kronies make that makes you stronger

>>20262969
>Kronii Milk: The milk is prayed over by the priestesses themselves, imbuing the milk with powers that alter the drinker's perception of time and heighten their senses.
Also related:
>Kronii Water: It boosts the drinker's strength and endurance. Mildly addicting and arousing.
They definitely have combat applications, although that's not unique to /meat/ soldiers, but basically anyone who can gain access to these resources. Having the drinker be pretty strong to begin with merely makes it arguably more cost-efficient, but even then the marginal benefit might not be as significant as a relatively normal person drinking it.

>>20262834
>the denser muscle and higher stamina
muscles work the same way. small tears in the muscle get replaced with more muscle, causing it to be denser. higher stamina is a result of constant physical exercise via orgies, but now that i think of it i'm not sure if losing blood and getting the shit beat out of you on a weekly basis would make it better or worse. are there benefits to working out after losing blood? maybe in blood production and heart rate? or would it be the opposite, as there wouldn't be enough blood to supply the muscles with nutrients and more cell death would happen as a result? i genuinely don't know. regardless, the average /meat/head citizen would be stronger and sturdier than most, even without Mai-chan's blessing, the elite soldiers would keep that trend going.

>>20263276
>muscle microtearing
Yes, but the same effect can also be reached by regular exercise, so compared with bone microfracture and scarring, it's probably more common outside /meat/.
>higher stamina
Yeah, orgies probably won't help you build endurance and stamina more than actual exercises. As for exercising after bloodletting, I can't find studies that support that, so the odds of that is pretty low.

Overall, my point is still the same:
>their combat prowess, significant as it might be, is still within the human limit

>>20258451
Twas good until you realize that Mount Olympus of cunny

>>20263527
That's fixed in a more recent version, but I'm still working on it.

>>20263397
>same effect can also be reached by regular exercise
>orgies probably won't help you build endurance and stamina more than actual exercises
>blood and life force
i don't get why this always happens to me
>hydrogen dioxide is good as a drink, but i'd prefer water
i'm saying they are the same thing.
>no, hydrogen dioxide is a chemical, but water is a substance
same thing.
>well i think water tastes better than hydrogen dioxide, so i guess we'll just agree to disagree.
there is no disagreement. there is a misunderstanding of terms on your part.

>is still within the human limit
isn't batman considered superhuman? or is there a different word to describe him? i never intended to imply they were beyond the human limit in anything besides healing. maybe we both have a misunderstanding of terms here.

>>20263658
NTA, but superhuman is by definition beyond the human limits. Within human limits is not superhuman, it's er, human kek. That's probably where the confusion comes from. I'd say Batman is "Peak Human". Although peak human in the Marvel setting is superhuman by IRL standards.

>>20263721
Marvel standards peak human is Captain America without any exercise. So in the MCU that'd be uhhhhh his first movie.

>>20263721
you know there are some people who master a skill, or are born with some physical characteristics that improve some aspect of them to the point where they are seen as superhuman by their peers. what the fuck does super human mean when some guy can swim around in the coldest oceans on the planet for hours in a speedo without getting tired or cold? peak possible human or peak average human, but then what's average to these people? if a human who exists can do superhuman feats, then it isn't super human, as a human was able to do it.

>>20263829
Oh, I'm showing my capeshit incompetency, obviously I meant DC, not Marvel.
>>20263872
I think I agree. Words have a certain amount of colloquiality, so it's pretty common for incredible but achievable feats to be called superhuman in conversation. But with the pedant glasses on, that is simply incorrect, something superhuman is something that no human could ever do. Something absolutely fucking incredible would be jumping into the Arctic sea and wrestling a shark into submission. Something superhuman would be jumping into the Arctic sea, diving two kilometers and killing a spermwhale by jumping into its mouth and ripping and tearing through its flesh until you crushed its brain.

bump

My headcanon is that /meat/'s elite cult intentionally spread the stereotype that their people are mouth drooling tribal barbarians that cant read and talk so their enemies underestimate them.
In fact, Im sure /infinity/ is the only country that knows their real nature after their adventurer found out that the streets of /meat/ are stone and clean, devoid of blood.
It'll be pretty brutal for any soldiers sent to fight /meat/ to be met with an actually organised group of supersoldiers masquerading as bumbling fools

>>20266575
That's probably at least partially dependent on how many other countries have people actually visiting the place as freemen, although given /meat/'s reputation (which /meat/ may or may not like to actively spread) it's probably understandable that not many people are willing to visit there willingly.
That said, its core soldiers masquerading as mouth drooling tribal barbarians might be somewhat true as well. Their armour and maybe shield is made of humans, and I imagine many of them likely use Kronii priestess products and local drugs to reach some kind of berserker effect, so for those not observing carefully (i.e. most people running away from axe-swinging cannibal warriors), they might look like savages.
You know, it might actually be an interesting topic to write stories about...

What would be /meat/'s overall relation with /nasfaqg/? The population of /nasfaqg/ is likely lower than other countries though the economy is very developed. The technology is pretty high due to competition, although this is highly variable from one patrician to another since inventions aren't shared. The navy is exceptionally strong which would make raids difficult, but you'll always find someone who'd be willing to trade (and likely people who'd be willing to exterminate the raiders if they attack their land).

I know of one /meat/-aligned trader in the Top 100, since he has seemingly every sick fetish known to man, but the majority don't seem to be "into" it, although some of them watch the thread since its conception with morbid curiosity.

>>20266575
>>20266866
countries that switched to positive relations would get a surprise
>be merchant from the holo empire
>your duchy announced a formal trade coopoeration with /meat/ for resources
>weird why are making trade with a bunch of baby eating savages
>a week later their trade ship
>expect to see the usual blood stained and corpse riddled raiding ship
>you felt your eyes betrayed you when a pristine and well maintained cargo vessel docks at port
>the merchants on board slowly walks up to you
>they dress in formal uniforms, with cultural regalia all over
>not a single stain of blood on their bodies
>is this really /meat/?
>you initiate communication by making gestures and baby talk, hoping these illiterate savages understand y-
>"That wouldn't be necessary, peddler. We can talk and negotiate just find."
>By the gods they are speaking the lingua franca!
>as they walk away towards the tradepost, you could here them whispering
>"I cant believe they all fell for the tales!"

>>20266866
trading relations are something to think about, though. our medicine is advanced. is there a way for people to both know that and still think we are a bunch of morons?

>>20267002
there was a /nasfaqg/ greentext about someone who ate exotic southern meats as they watched a deadbeat crying about losing a bunch of money, so obviously we trade. maybe we engage in some assassination markets, but idk about anything else.

>>20267136
To be fair not every piece of meat in existence comes from /meat/, but I assume that was a reference to /meat/ there specifically.

>>20267136 (me)
i was thinking about it for a moment. eastern medicine has the stereotype of primitives, but the industry is advanced. the kinds of people who come to /meat/ for our medical expertise are desperate, just like those who do eastern medicine. that's how we can be the drooling, baby eating savages with strange but effective medicine.

>>20267136
>"it's a miracle medicine from the land of cannibals!"
>"it can heal your wounds at 10x speed and makes you less likely to get sick from the latest pandemic!"
>"all it costs is thrice your monthly income and drink this suspiciously blood-like vial!"
At least, I imagine an average sales pitch to the other side of the continent will end up sounding like this. For those with means and/or desperate enough to treat something otherwise untreatable, though, I think that vial will suddenly look a lot more tempting.

>>20267002
I don't know about that trader, although it's always nice to have something affluent who also understand /meat/. It's always possible for /nasfaqg/ merchants to buy /meat/ products at a low price and sell it to others with a mark-up.
I think some greentext mentions /nasfaqg/ selling slaves. If that's canon, then maybe they'll have something /meat/ is interested in.

>>20267260
>exotic southern meats
/meat/ is southern, and exotic meats is like mystery meat. it's no mystery why they're being vague.

>>20267327
cheap knockoffs is good. we want the desperate who will feel relieved to be alive, no matter what condition they are left in after payment.

Do /meat/ selectively values humans or any sentient species is fair game?
Surely they look at a Rosebud and say 'salad'

>>20267437
Well their religion is about life and death so anything with a soul would count
They probably hate undead species like /zomg/ and fandeads

About our alliance with meat... They are a great workforce, being friends with them is needed to our trade with kfp and... You know, we have overpopulation on our schizo island, maybe, just maybe, we need to trim the numbers there and meat can have them (all of this under the table of course)

>>20267520
What are the over the table deals? Business ventures?

>>20267437
the life cycle is what matters to the religion, sentient animals go through a unique application of birth, suffering, death, and rebirth. taste depends, but usually we'll eat anything, btw...
>>20267477
our loli chuuba ate old, crunchy marshmallows specifically to get as sick as she could for our enjoyment. plus, rotten flesh can sometimes cause a high. we wouldn't eat it for taste, but we might eat it anyways. there's always bone marrow, too.

>>20267520
>under the table
Actually, repeat offending schizos as well as captured violent terrorists are all *on* the table. We have so much infighting we don't have to start picking schizos at random

>>20267606
>on the table
yum.

>>20267548
I mean, we wouldn't want the Infinity thread to know we are sending our worst schizos as payment to meat. That is why the shipment would be sent directly from the schizo island in the East of the country while trading is done on the West port... (this is not official lore)

>>20267651
Ourobro separatists are an acquired taste I'm told. I'm glad you guys aren't picky.

>>20267437
In a way, *everything* is fair game for /meat/ religion as long as it can participate in the cycle of life: birth, suffering, and death (and rebirth, although it's also technically part of the birth step). However, sentient beings like humans and other similar enough equivalents are prized more than "lesser animals" as their sentience allows them to experience the steps in a stronger manner. Since rosebuds are shown to have the same level of intellect as humans (and presumably is as sensitive to suffering as well), they're considered equal in practice for /meat/.

>>20267477
Good point, actually... although as long as they aren't truly immortal (as how /meat/ seen many vtubers), they shouldn't play a significantly different role from their living counterpart. In a way, you can say it's all well and good as long as they can suffer and die.

>>20267712
Practice makes perfect, and that extends to culinary arts too.

Is Fandead territory still radioactive?

>>20267951
I like the idea of /rushia/ becoming a wasteland with zombies, skeletons and endless storms

>>20268004
But for the worldbuilding part it's a waste of potential since they were killed off before we finished the map.
How about set up a rushia thread archaeologist.
Someone to dig through their archives and document their thread culture so we can write it down in history books
If there are anons who missed the old rushia thread days maybe we could assign them

>>20267136
>there was a /nasfaqg/ greentext about someone who ate exotic southern meats as they watched a deadbeat crying about losing a bunch of money, so obviously we trade. maybe we engage in some assassination markets, but idk about anything else.
Thats the deadbeat trader. He mentions it in the greentext. Theres nothing to suggest hes /meat/ related as exotic meat can mean anything

>>20268082
the map was finished when they fell, /rushia/ lore wasn't, but it doesn't matter that much in the end

>How about set up a rushia thread archaeologist.
maybe, people would have to come up with something though

>>20267136
>>20268186 (me)
Aslo they mention the far south and /nasfaqg/ is already south of /meat/ . I completely doubt the trader is making a reference to meat there

I'm starting to believe that this thread is a /meat/ instruction camp...

>>/vt/thread/S110276
>first Rushia thread happened this year
The fuck?

>>20268364
it says 2021, we are in 2022 now

>>20268364
That thread was started on January 31st. I very much doubt that was the first thread of the year

>>20268280
this was back when the mori controversy was going on. pretty sure that part of the map didn't even exist yet. who do you think he was refering to when he said "exotic meats" if not /meat/?

>>20268379
Oh
Fuck my reading comprehension
Anyways, who's brave enough to help reconstruct 潤羽るしあ thread lore?

After skimming through 3 潤羽るしあ threads I can safely say that /vt/ fandeads are tsun-tsun for their oshi
This really is anthropology

>>20267104
>and negotiate just find.
Are you sure?

>>20268415
I thought the map issue had been settled by then. Regardless I think that poster is still here so maybe wait for him to comment before just claiming him and his lore post as one of your own

so, serious talk from the previous thread. why is how we conduct war a question at all? it should be beyond obvious to everyone besides that one guy who seems to be irrationally obsessed with mahjong. either use typical roleplay rules, or use ngnl's rules with the exception of the first.
>All murder, war, and robbery are forbidden in this world.
>All conflict in this world will be resolved through games.
>In games, each player will bet something that they agree is of equal value.
>As long as it doesn't violate pledge three, anything may be bet, and any game may be played.
>The challenged party has the right to decide the rules of the game.
>Any bets made in accordance with the pledges must be upheld.
>Conflicts between groups will be conducted by designated representatives with absolute authority.
>Being caught cheating during a game is grounds for an instant loss.
>In the name of god, the previous rules may never be changed.
>Let's all have fun and play together!
>>20268790
never said it was mine, i just think it takes a bit of mental gymnastics to say it wasn't at least implied.

>>20268983
war is gay. much cooler to resolve conflicts through dialogue/subterfuge/creativity. much more inline with this thread theme. ya know, writing stuff

Just settle conflict with a CK2/EU4 multiplayer session with a custom country that represents your nation's stats

>>20269328
that was my argument for why mahjong was gay. war is reality, and it can sometimes be necessary. i want this to be realistic, so if two countries exist, and one of them has every reason in the world to crush the other under their boot through war, i see no reason why they shouldn't be able to do that. if they do, we should not force everyone to resolve all conflicts with a single, specific game. let them pick how they deal with it is all i'm saying. personally, i like the idea of using greentexts of strategies where the best strategy wins, imagine someone describing the terrain of the area they set up to defend, only for someone else to use some natural structure, like a river or a mountain, or a natural choke point or something to their advantage, but some anons disliked it, possibly for a reason, but i can't recall them giving one. having all warfare be mahjong is stupid, though.

>>20269716
don't you need a DLC for the custom countries in CK2?

>>20269756
imo, the moment people allow "warfare" in this thread, it will go to shit, for there will be that guy who will try to rule the world, making this writing thread to a wargame thread. diplomacy should be enough to settle conflicts. also hypothetically, what can a winning country do get if we do indeed have warfare? conquest?

>>20269930
clout for your thread. I agree though, the wars are a stupid idea

All we are saying is give peace a chance.
All we are saying is give /meat/ a lung.

>>20269716
And then we have one guy who pull off this kind of shit
https://youtu.be/BFigowbtgOo

>>20269998
>clout
eh, if you think about it, warfare will not bring anything new to the table, unless people agree to allow this mechanic as a way for forceful land. which is a stupid idea btw, don't even think about it but it's going to be fun, i can give you that. imagine losing your thread "nation" in a maplore thread because some guy who claims to be your rep lost to a victoria 2 1v1 mod

>>20270200
It would make me seethe forever though, I don't like that idea

lets just leave war for fanfics or off-thread platforms like mockumentaries and game mods with our nations

>>20270055
God this was hard to watch. Its been a while since I've watched someone so awkward and desperate to be funny

>>20270297
War fanfics sound awesome, someone needs to get on that i don't know how you'd do it though, just sounds cool

>>20268206
>>20268364
>>20268477
I'm a Fandead. I don't know how your lore works but I do understand what used to be our threads. Anything I can help you put something together?

>>20270911
Dealing with rogue factions, separatists, and unaffiliated terrorists (saplings that are not endorsed by /uuu/ attacking /who/ roads, for example) are a good way to write some combat in and show off your nation's strength.

>>20270920
a refugee. Maybe try building something with the neighboring countries? or maybe something quick from here >>20258491

>>20262517
>Sexual activity
Do you have the endurance and stamina of risuners?

>>20271208
depends. are risuners interested in royna and guro?

>risuners are the slaneeshi of vt lore.

>>20271078
>Maybe try building something with the neighboring countries?
I... can't. There's nobody left. We stopped making threads. When all hell broke loose on February 10, a bunch of Fandead made a place to hide out in, numbering about 50 people. It got leaked and subsequently raided three times before we fixed the method of entry and now nobody gets in. Everybody left for /jp/, where we rebranded. It's a shithole and we get raided by antis way harder than we ever have been on /vt/, where a thread would need bumping every two to four hours to survive. At least we no longer have to be super sneaky secret because half of the time spent was discussing stuff on her roommate account without actually mentioning it. I'm just browsing /vt/ for a dose of nostalgia feels and this seemed like a loose end I should help tie up.

>>20271280
I'm so sorry to hear about your circumstances... That sounds like Hell.

>>20271320
Since it's not clear if she'll be a chuuba (or even a PNGtuber), threads on /vt/ also get routinely nuked by the mods and Rushia threads on here are all just bait threads these days, so you won't find anybody there.
What I surmise if a meido also threatened to blow us off /jp/, but fortunately they seemed to hold off for the time being, but we might end up getting kicked out twice and have nowhere to go at all.

>>20271374
I hope it works out in the end for you guys. At the time being, with constant nukes and raids by trolls, would you say the former nation of fandead is just a radioactive wasteland?

>>20258451
>https://poal.me/1wqi8e
It's been over 24 hours. Is it time to call the vote?

>>20267260
As the writer of the greentext, I can confirm that that line was specifically a reference to /meat/. Back then we were using the old map and /meat/ was south of /nasfaqg/

>>20271280
As an kson fan, I feel for you fandead, exile can be hard on holos.

>>20268983
I think it's best if we let the participants of a given war decide how to develop and settle it among themselves. If they decide to resolve it through writing, then good for them. If they want to do that with mahjong or modded games, then it's fine too. We probably won't be able to get any single method agreed upon by everyone, so at least this way we can have the actual participants can reach a consensus among themselves and report back the result.

>>20271280
Sorry to hear that. I hope things will get better for you. Given the description, I guess it would be fitting to say the land of rushia actually become some kind of radioactive wasteland (I guess all their chhubanite exploded or something?), and survivors are now hiding in underground bunkers while the surface goes full Mad Max against each other?
As for what you can do, it ultimately depends on what you like to write. Autism is different for everyone after all. Basically, follow the premise of a thread being an actual country (or ex-country in this case). What about such country will you want to write about?

>>20271911
>while the surface goes full Mad Max against each other?
WITNESS ME ON DAIPAN ROAD

>>20271495
>>20271911
The closest I could try to model it is this:
On February 10 (all dates are in real time, not in-universe time, I hear we're supposedly 1700s technology?), some kind of natural disaster occurred. Storms or some shit.
On February 11, the Fandead gachis ft. a bunch of others (we had at least a heimin who did some valuable archiving and a KFP who later became a gachi anyway if the current threads are to be believed) set up a bunker (no, seriously, that's what it's been called) and slipped in there. Every single dumbfuck barbarian from everywhere came to laugh at us and take a piss on the deserted facilities. Some people were seriously getting uppity, thinking that "GFE" was what brought her down and that gachis are the devil. The entrance to the bunker was obscured, but not fortified; know the pathway and you find your way in. It was more about letting people still jump aboard, believing it to be the right thing to be an open group.
Within the Fandead in the bunker, however, there was a lot of arguing and debate about whether to believe the allegations, wait for her statement or assume her innocence; life in the bunker was clearly not peaceful, either.
In the meantime, a bunch of randoms from various sankisei nations (I recall a nousagi and an ichimi) showed up to show their support and wish us well. At least one of us also went to /ahoy/ to wish them well for their own oshi was doing poorly.
On February 18 (February 17 in American timezones), someone who had followed us into the bunker pointed out the entryway to the barbarians. They came and shat everywhere. The Fandead made a new bunker and the same thing happened again twice, within minutes. Getting REALLY fucking tired of having their place of solace in times of hurt taken over, they made a new, way stronger bunker. They had a bouncer kick out everyone who wasn't both (a) in the old bunker and (b) a member or bought Rushia merch.
The bunker was way smaller now.
The barbarians continued wrecking the place, spreading their irritating banner (spoilered image attached, I hate looking at it) as a means to signal when the Fandead came up for air and grab supplies in their old territory. Without failure, the barbarians would show up within hours, show up and bully the Fandead, while simultaneously spreading slanderous narratives about their oshi, accusing them of cuckoldry and decrying the Fandead's love as malice.
February 20 came and I don't even want to talk about it. Let's just say the Fandead were studying obituaries for their oshi's roomate's name. Signs of life were found eventually, much to everyone's relief.
February 24 came (though really February 25 in most timezones) and all hell broke loose. Their goddess was killed and her head put on display, for all to see. The Fandead just... collapsed. There was no stopping their tears. Though some were outraged at the god-slaying Cover Corp., most were just crying messes.
As February ended, so did the threads. Depending on who you ask, the final thread was >>18991875, >>19046294 or >>19234048. Only bait threads have been made since.
The Fandead made their way to /jp/, abandoning their old place for good, followed by a bunch of barbarians who continue to squat their new lands. On /jp/, they raised a new banner for their reincarnation of their oshi (who for the purpose of this post shall be a PNGtuber).
No one is left in the former nation of the Fandead. Sightings of barbarians posing as them just lead to the thread dying of meido-induced radiation poisoning. Not sure what to make of the occasional bait thread since they're not even technically part of the regular threads anymore, losing the previous format entirely.

Is this something you can work with/tell me what needs more detail?

>>20272390
Maybe /jp/ is a underworld of moleman people and fandeath exiled themselves there to run from radiation?

>>20271662
i knew it. him saying you guys were south of /meat/ made me second guess myself. thank you for clarifying.
>>20271911
that is exactly what i was suggesting. everyone should pick how they decide to respond. saying nobody should do war is bad, because some have a military advantage that would be stupid to not make use of, and saying mahjong should take place of any war is also stupid, because not everyone wants to play that game. the only reason i suggested the greentext rp war idea was because i wanted to clarify that it was an option, and that describing your advantages and disadvantages, and creating a strategy that gives you an almost insurmountable advantage is one way to do all of that which also adds to world building. it shouldn't be used in every situation, though rolling can help in situations where chance arise so it should be possible to come to a decisive conclusion with it, but i just wanted to make it clear that i thought it was a really good option of the many options that existed, and that more people should be willing to use it.

>>20272494
that mahjong bit is nasfaq joke ok.

>>20272390
Thanks for the information. It's something we can work with, although if you're interested in doing some writing yourself, you're always welcomed as well!
>time
The average tech level of this world is about the same as RL 1700s, although not everyone is at the same level, and the existence of some degree of magic in the form of a substance called chuubanite makes things muddier. As for the in-universe time flow... it's kind of murky as well.

>>20272464
Unless they return, I guess /jp/ might well be another world beyond this one, a place where the majority of fandeads have moved on to after the fall of their goddess.
... holy shit that's dark

>>20272494
Glad to hear that we're on the same page

>>20272619
Just to clarify, the current era is okay. We've just had the best Valentine's Day we could've ever asked for and the gachis are on cloud nine. A large majority Fandead have by no means abandoned her and believe her to be a good person who chose really stupid means to clear her name. The Fandead era ended on a sour note and the new nation doesn't even have a proper name yet (no, seriously, she hasn't named us anything yet; said maybe next mengen).

>>20272576
Death to mahjong

im awake bois. holy shit /meat/ do be looking pretty scary considering risuners would probably get their asses kicked 1v1 or more likely run up a tree so they couldnt attack us

>>20273152
Good morning, Risuner.
At this point, get friendly with /meat/. It's the smart thing to do, and they're very loyal to friends.

>>20272758
I hope the winds of change lead your ships to a new prosperity era anon.

>>20273202
Any news on the Chronobanks trade deal?

>>20269930
wars should absolutely not be introduced to this, but how do we explain what things like yabs are when threads get raided? do we just ignore that then?

>>20272758
Glad to hear that. In that case, I guess /jp/ (at least in this case) is probably some kind of underground caverns (if we're not doing interdimensional portal stuff) that the fandead survivors live in after fleeing from the surface (maybe they found it through their bunkers?). They might well disappear from the surface forever (if she doesn't return, or the jannies think she isn't a vtuber), or someday actually reemerge (if her thread does). Currently the surface is probably still pretty hellish, to reflect that all Rushia threads in the catalog nows are baits.
If we go with the idea of a vtuber's state affects how the related chuubanite act, maybe on Feb 10~11 Rushia's chuubanite suddenly lost its juices, which would likely throw the country that made use of it in disarray. 20 would be when the inert chuubanite starts becoming unstable, and 24/25 would be when they go nuclear (literally?) and basically wiped out whatever semblance of government still on the surface? The final threads might well be what remained of civilisation before the barbarians fully took over the surface.
Do you think it would be disrespectful to say many of the mindless undeads were former fandeads that got swallowed when the chuubanite went nuclear?

>>20273152
Well, /risu/ is /inf/'s friend, and /meat/ is /inf/'s friend, so by extension we would likely be open to being friend of sorts too. We can always trade and interact in a less violent manner if you like!

>>20272619
>fandeads expend the last of their Rushia chuubanite deposits to create a portal to /jp/ realm
>Outside the bunker, the radioactive storm grows stronger and stronger
>communications with the outside world is gone
>a few days passed
>expedition teams sent by the /hlg/ Empire found only ruins in a once busy Rushia city
>they found massive spikes of unstable chuubanite
>through sheer luck they discover the entrances to some of the bunkers
>empty
>while a majority of fandeads escaped through the portal, some were left behind
>fandeads who were living abroad at the time read the news
>their homeland is now abandoned
>in a /ggg/ town, a fandead who was on business trip slams his fist into his desk
>his family and friends back home all left him
>all that's left are refugees, still clinging in hope that things will get better

"just realized indonesia tested a tank boat IRL last year"

>>20273252
We accepted it! Check it out >>20246520

>>20273295
>Do you think it would be disrespectful to say many of the mindless undeads were former fandeads that got swallowed when the chuubanite went nuclear?
In my humble opinion, I think that would be a delicate issue, like the stuff you'd ignite a conflict with if handled improperly. As should be obvious from the name, Fandead are undead. However, everyone with an ounce of sense has had already fled to the bunkers by the time everyone was eating nuclear hot dogs for breakfast on the surface, so I guess it's actually an apt analogy.

>>20273411
Ah I missed that. Thanks. Ill put making the LARPy contract on my to-do list now

Ok so you all get your fancy roads and we get knowledge to build bigger boats. Nice. Now im gonna go in photoshop and make some stuff up and you all tell me where you want your fancy road to be more or less.

>>20273432
maybe they are not undead anymore. They are now exanimate or other whatever synonym you want to use

>>20273432
Well, if we assume fandead is dead people reanimated into undead (I think that's the official lore?), then in this setting's logic it would be tied to Rushia's chuubanite. As such, it might stand to reason that Rushia chuubanite becoming unstable and blowing up would have an effect on them. I guess we can soften it up by saying some were fandeads who couldn't handle it, while some might be schizos and raiders (source pending) caught in the blast?
t. the one who wrote that Goddess story which probably won't fit with this lore very well

>>20273505
A Kronie came up with this - it'd be the shortest route, but it's unrealistically straight. And also around the middle, a southward road might extend to /mep/ as they might be interested in the road project (as per >>20260371)
And go say hi to /mep/'s representative when he's up, he's interested in good relations with you guys!

>>20273459
Excellent, I look forward to it

>>20273505
Watching your enthusiasm unfold makes me happy that /risu/ became our protectorate for a couple of hours lol.

>>20273632
I'm glad honestly glad they got a rep and he actually contributes. This is far more interesting than if we just owned the land and they weren't interested - plus we made a friend in the process!

A Chuubanite species exists as long as /vt/'s belief in said chuubas linger on
We still have Coco chuubanite. Much less common than before but it's stable and present.
Once the yab event lost energy, any remaining Rushia chuubanite would stabilise back to normal
Just, not as widespread as before
But there wont be as many fandeads as before to use em

>>20273632
I feel like /risu/ got promoted from colony to investment
Like China and Africa

>>20273717
Would the ethereal jannies start smiting Rushia chuubanite reserves though?

>>20273757
No idea. The jannies are mysterious beings

>>20273756
No, no, no imperialism here. At most we kinda General Perry them, and not even that, as we won't pressure them in changing their lifestyle.

>>20273821
>General Perry
Or like the Dutch in Japan
>visits
>dumps modern tech, studies, and ideologies
>leaves

>>20273757
Could be interesting if the jannies smiting anything with sufficient Rushia chuubanite is part of what contributes to the land still being a wasteland, since entities that actually believe in Rushia (some kind of rump states) keep getting wiped, while barbarian bait threads are kept around because they don't run on Rushia chuubanite (as they don't count as her fans by any reasonable measures).

>>20273621
Oh a couple questions.
Does the deal extend to the partners I mentioned in the details post, and to what extent.
Do you have any named cities for /infinity/?
Any city maps? Street naming conventions?

Is there an official full name for the nation of infinity? Like how the UK is officially known as the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" or how Germany is officially the "Federal Republic of Germany"

>>20273926
That... actually makes sense... and is a good lore
>Jannies hunt down anyone using unstable chuubanite in an attempt to contain any magical resonance cascade
>Unfortunately every worshipper are targeted by default because they use it

>>20271884
I wasn't in /vt/ when the Coco situation happened. How did the Coco threads do during and after her graduation?
Were you guys forced to leave /vt/ for /jp/ when Coco didn't have her 2D model? And when were you guys allowed back?
>>20272390
And about the Rushia situation, if she is already set and has confirmed that she has a fully functional 2D avatar in the works, then keeping the fandead out of /vt/ is just wrong... And if the fandead do comeback... You are welcome in my ex-Holo Siberia project, where all our oshi will be one day without exception if they decide to continue being chuubas... So really love your goddesses while they exist!

>>20273937
>Does the deal extend to the partners I mentioned in the details post, and to what extent.
Yes, and to the same extent we give Chronobanks. All details within your proposal were accepted as well.
>Do you have any named cities for /infinity/?
Kronstantinople
Kroniisberg
Infinity City
Ourogata
Schizograd (not a city but a prison camp)
>Any city maps? Street naming conventions?
Unfortunately not yet
>Is there an official full name for the nation of infinity?
Not yet but that gives me the idea to ask right now.

>>20273888
Oh, but we're not leaving, we're buddies *eats a raw nut*

>>20274047
Which of the cities is the designated trading port? Where are they roughly located on the map of the island?

>>20274044
>if she is already set and has confirmed that she has a fully functional 2D avatar in the works
She's had two public streams. One unarchived stream as a disembodied voice and one archived public stream, which was a special camera stream on Valentine's Day* and a PNG shown. From the sounds of it, she is still not sure which way she wants to go. Until it's clear she's chuubing, I suppose she is not /vt/ material. Even if, however, it's not sure if we'd come back. We've had to be very hush hush about not naming roommate despite the open secret of talking about her content just as commonly as about Rushia herself.
* Technically White Day, but don't worry about it. If she says it's Valentine's, then it is.

>>20273632
>>20273702
aww thanks friends. feels good man.
>>20273821
we wouldnt be friends if they tried to change us. Risuners arent stupid enough to let ourselves be enslaved or anything and were pretty fucking stubborn about our oshi. We get ships they get road seems good enough. >>20273888
Funny how indonesia fought against the dutch for independance in 1945. This thread made me study indonesian boats and history for small references. Anyway time for photoshop.

>>20273888
>>20273821
>https://www.ndl.go.jp/nichiran/e/s1/s1_1.html
>When the Shimabara uprising of 1637 happened, in which Christian Japanese started a rebellion against the Tokugawa shogunate, it was crushed with the help of the Dutch. As a result, all Christian nations who gave aid to the rebels were expelled, leaving the Dutch the only commercial partner from the West
>After the forcible opening of Japan by an American fleet commanded by Commodore Perry in 1854, a decision was made to modernize the Japanese fleet. To do this orders were placed for modern steam powered warships. The first of which was the ZM SS Soembing, a gift from King William III of the Netherlands
What the fuck! This fits!

>>20271280
/nasfaqg/ is still a safe harbor for the fandead. Fandead players were (and still are, those who have stayed) absolutely fantastic.

>>20274083
See that tiny western island? That's our port city, but I don't think we decided on the names and placements.
I could ask too.

>>20274044
What we did and do is no publishing captures of real life streams, if someone started doing so was panned by the thread, except the short period between graduation and the new souchou avatar which was a mess (and full of tourists). And if we want to talk about something IRL, either post a link to twitter or external hosted, nothing straightly "stored" in /vt/. But we have to develop a trust with the mods. But we're kind slow thread, so they don't have to worry to much about us.

TL;DR we enforce order and mods like that.

Okay boyos
Should we fund an expeditionary team to look for the mythical city of /OG/?

>>20271280
Confirming >>20274197. Fandeads have a pretty good reputation over in /nasfaqg/ and are beloved by the locals

>>20274375
So we have to make a census on any surviving fandeads who were outside of their homeland during the Yab apocalypse?

Petition the >H >L >G to declare fandeads a protected minority after their homes got nuked

>>20272390
So I wrote something more in-universe based on this timeline:
***
Feb 10
>Rushia chuubanite suddenly becomes volatile, the beginning of the storm
>Widespread leakage of hallucinogen (should be Copium by our setting, although calling it that doesn't seem fitting in this case, maybe a variant of it that attracts/causes schizos?) result in widespread unrest and chaos as schizo barbarians and trolls swarm the country
Feb 11
>Some fandeads begin setting up bunkers to protect their own, fending off any barbarians who manage to slip in while debating among themselves what is the meaning of the chuubanite instability, the disaster and potentially some kind of divine omen
>Foreign aid arrives to restore some semblance of hope
Feb 18
>Bunkers breached by the barbarians, perhaps becoming some kind of tunnel warfare as fandeads try to fend them off while scrambling to build newer and sturdier bunkers deeper underground
>Martial law (of sorts) declared in the bunkers; those suspected to be of turncoats or unbelievers driven out, some might become lost in the following events
Feb 20
>Rushia chuubanite becomes *very* unstable, affecting many fandeads (as their existence is connected to its function), maybe driving some mad before it stablises somewhat later?
Feb 24/25
>Confirmation of the goddess fallen (since she isn't here, she might not have a physical corpse in this realm. perhaps some kind of omen? chuubanite going nuclear? afterward actions by jannies reaffirming the fall?)
>Rushia chuubanite going nuclear, devastating what remains on the surface, the land is now overrun by a combination of mad undeads, schizos and barbarians
End of Feb
>The jannies begin hunting down anyone using the still-unstable Rushia chuubanite, resulting in any semblance of civilisation in surface Rushia being smited
>Most of the bunker-dweeling survivors make use of their remaining chuubanite to open a portal to /jp/, a fabled alternative world rumoured to be the origin of this world
Now
>The land is now a radioactive wasteland, filled with still unstable chuubanite, ruins of the old country, barbarian and raider warlords fighting among themselves
>Fandeads who were overseas when the disaster happens either eventually find their way to the bunkers and/or /jp/, settle down in other countries, or holding onto what is left in hopes that their goddess will return, no matter in what form

>>20274337
In theory, where would such a city be? Because they have no connection to Hololive or Nijisanji, so they can't be hidden in some part of the Holocontinent or the Nijicontinent...

Chapter1:
The Before Times

The Holy Nation of Rushia is one of devout faith. Their goddess is everything to them. Despite being a nation showering their goddess with almost comical amounts of gifts, evidently proving the wealth of its people, it rarely engages with other nations. This is a choice made long ago that no one questioned. Everyone lived in peace. Rarely, tourists from anywhere would bother the natives with little success to show for their attempts. While its Goddess entertains good relations with the other 3rd generation goddesses, the people of Her nation care little for anyone else. There have been no armed conflicts that they could have possibly been involved in.
A tourist may not be received warmly, even with no bad intentions. The pious people inhabiting the Holy Nation have no need for people joining their faith. Those who do not understand why their Goddess Rushia is one worth following are not people. Accordingly, gatherings of her believers are often quiet affairs as members spend their time in fervent prayer. It is no secret, however, that there are many believers who hardly speak the sacred language of the Goddess and so the long-time believers occasionally help the learners out and fix misunderstandings.
Some are afraid of the people who live in the Holy Nation. Its people can get rather extreme at times. While in some countries, only the most devout will wake up at 2a.m. time if their goddess shows herself, such a lifestyle is commonly found here. Their Goddess’s human form is common knowledge and no one takes offense if the two identities are muddled, no, it is even practices as though it was common sense. The Holy Nation only bothers with the people who are obviously out of line and speak of the unspoken secret identity. Being isolationist, their otherwise unusual custom bothers no one. It is not uncommon to see people loudly express their love for the Goddess. Every few hours, someone puts up a new sign of an illustration of her.
Nonetheless, if you meet a member of the Holy Nation, you need only speak of their Goddess and they will treat you friendly and with respect as long as you respect their Goddess and their customs. When in the Holy Nation, do as the Fandead do. Many end up staying after making a proper acquaintance.
Though the Holy Nation is called a “split” in name by the globalists, in truth they are anything but a colony. Some have followed their Goddess since before her time as a Goddess in the lands of /vt/ and so it is believed that they will follow her anywhere.
A common superstition goes as follows: In the far east of the nation, people who speak ill of the Goddess Rushia in public vanish, never to be seen again. Though the capital has never seen such an event, it is taught to children as though it were fact. This helps keep public order, after all.
In short, the Holy Nation of Rushia is a religious land of odd customs. Because of their isolationist nature and hostility to tourists, few get truly acquainted with its otherwise friendly people.

>>20269328
That will never work, all it will amount to is whoever can complain and shit up the thread the most wins.

>>20274729
risu would lose. burn down the forests and the tribalists would fight but get pretty fucked desu. Feelsbadman.

>>20274643
>have no connection to Hololive or Nijisanji, so they can't be hidden in some part of the Holocontinent or the Nijicontinent
False!
Having no cultural connection doesnt mean anything in archaeology!
IRL, the region Turkey is in used to be Anatolian Hittites, Celtic Galatians, and Hellenic. But centuries of migration and border changes switched everything
In-universe, /774/ used to be a continent wide empire during the /jp/-era before their stagnation and collapse chip away their territory to modern day /vsj/ and /pcg/
The continents of Niji and Holo were once united under a huge Big Five worshipping empire

>>20273286
conflict is not necessarily means open warfare i guess. schizos/shitfillingers/raiders are sponsored terrorists cells/glowies to destabilize a nation permanently. well my canon as a merchant.

>>20274692
>>20258479

>>20274439
A portion of /nasfaqg/ fandead survived and were supported through the apocalypse (well, at least by a part of the thread).

hopefully this is good enough to see. each little hut is a major settlement. the nut is the holy temple of risu and each of the boats is the planned naval ports where we plan to build our new pinisi vessels once /inf/ teaches us how to make them. /inf/ bases can be wherever just not too close to the temple. And i realized /mep/ is interesting as we kind of share this small gulf with each other. I think it would be wise if the road to mep went close to this gulf so that way boats from a lot of reps would have a common place to meet up, at least on the western side.

Anthem for /uuu/
https://youtu.be/tj3D1wQb0cA

>>20275699
SOVL
jokes aside, that's very helpful. thank you /risu/. our rep is asleep though but i'm sure this is great news for us both

Also want to point out /risu/ is often using pic rel. they have a thing for shotguns for some reason. Now risu aint building any shotguns any time soon but it keeps into mind the idea of close range weapons. I guess i can use that for lore much later.

>>20275883
Given the general tech level of 1700s, most guns being used at the time (smoothbore, relatively large calibre) probably count as some kind of shotguns. Maybe something like blunderbuss? I imagine living in the first means you probably won't need a lot of range to begin with.

>>20274439
Including me, there are at least two occasionally hanging out in /hlgg/

>>20276024
i could see risuners with blunderbusses rushing towards the enemy at blazing speed waiting to get up close before you hear a big boom. After which they pull out their spears or whatever CQC weapons they have. (inb4 that one risuner loads a blunderbuss with nuts and tries to fire it)

>>20274929
It does make sense, although I think a more correct example would be the Roman Empire, an empire (or really just 5 huge nations, think the Roman Empire, the Parthian Empire and the Han Dynasty, the three largest states of antiquity) that once controlled two major continents only to stagnate and with the time wither away to the point of being reduced to some small villages and towns where the /OG/ worship is still practiced, but nothing major to the point of them being considered a state anymore...
With this in mind, maybe instead of one /OG/ city, we should have one city for each big OG, like Kizuna Ai, Mirai Akari, Kaguya Luna and maybe Eilene and her group of girls?>>20274197
By the way, is any /nasfaqg/ anon willing to sell it to me? I kinda like the other Vtuber related projects here in /vt/ and now I'm cheking out /nasfaqg/ and thinking about joining in on it but I'm still not sure...

>>20274643
Maybe the capital of /hlgg/ was built over the lost city of /OG/

>>20276024
Generally 1700s
But we have outliers. /Infinity/ has steampunk, /nasa/ and /rbc/ has scifi, /clg/ is Napoleonic

>>20276306
Time to dynamite the ruins like a certain troy scientist

>>20276407
Ohh... what if us (Infinity) where the ones that gave them those... *whisper and looks to the side*

>>20276407
i like to think /nasa/ is just playing rimworld where they need to develop their tech up all over again XD

>>20276476
That is actually a really good comparison. We have some major roadblocks in our development, but once we get established, we can start to snowball and get off this rock back to the stars or stomp the other civilizations under the boot of the almighty God Empress

/nasa/'s priority is to find the weapon's vault. If we're lucky the vaults trajectory would land right by the borders of /rbc/. If we're unlucky then the vault has landed inside /rbc/ borders.

As for /nasa/ and /meat/ cults its a dangerous game. We only have about 5,000 people. /nasa/ really can't expend people for sacrifices. At the same time the Mozzie imposters would love to overthrow /nasa/'s government and watch the station's destruction. Mozzies would love to use the cult of /meat/ to trick Sanalites into sacrifices. If we find such a cult infecting our station then we're cutting ties with /meat/ trade. /nasa/ will trade with /meat/ economically. We will not tolerate any subversion attempts.

>>20275883
Looking for assistance in the acquiring of such weapons? Desiring one-handed cannons of shrapnel? Metal beasts which spew destruction from gaping maw? Perhaps explosives of various kinds, from handheld to large scale? We can help you in such situations, my friend.

>>20275883
You didn't get this from us Risu...
https://files.catbox.moe/b2soh1.png

>>20276802
Pog but you lot are so far away. Which is funny because i dont remember if /morig/ ever wanted to talk to us despite being much closer.

>>20276913
I got it a long time ago. Back when risu was somewhat active at least. Dont try asking me when though i completely forgot. Now risu is just filled with horny

>>20276999
I mean you didn't get a more timeline appropriate version of Risu's gun from us... cough cough.

>>20276929
We're relatively far, yeah, but not too far for trading! It may take months to get to you, but we're more than willing to do so if it means acquiring a friend. /rose/ is trying to make their foothold and having allies would very much help in doing so.

>>20276794
What boss said. But, and this is purely hypothetical, of course, if /meat/ found the taste of schizo/mozzie meat appealing, /nasa/ station would turn the other way if a transport route for such...resources was established across our land to the north. Again, purely hypothetical.

>>20259798
>DEEPEST LORE
I'm a little embarrassed by it, honestly, but I'm glad you seemed to like it! And don't worry too much, you'd make for great fertilizer! Only joking, of course.
>>20260669
Thank you so much! We wouldn't be opposed to future dealings with /meat/. We don't feel threatened by them and if anything they'd be a helpful ally if plans were to come to fruition. I'll be sure to keep it in mind!

Is it me or /meat/ is the Cinderella of vtwbg lol.

>>20277305
/inf/ use /meat/ to cull their schizos. why not /nasa/?

>>20277305
We have our own way of dealing with Mozzies. And when execution happens we have nuclear crematoriums to incinerate the remains. Crematoriums could be how we deal with regenerating /meat/ soldiers if there ever is conflict. Anyway once the bakery in /who/ is close to being finished then we'll put down an order for cacao and dark chocolate. By then the summer crop of wheat should be harvested and processed. We have payments in wheat, flour, sugarbeet sugar, wheat beer, beet wine, a little bit of silver and gold, and meteorites.

>>20277305
It's probably a bit too far for /meat/ to set up shops in the schizo wasteland, as tempting as that hypothetical situation is. Of course, it could be offset if the schizo wasteland has a remarkably high population density, but I would be pretty worried about /nasa/ if that is indeed the case.
Defence-wise /nasa/ seems to be doing fairly well according to https://rentry.org/7xi4p, although if it need be, /meat/ soldiers might be up for hire as well. Perhaps a small contingent or two if you want to send someone to scout the wasteland up north for (more expendable) protection? As long as they don't ask where their attackers go after being defeated...

>>20277775
what do you mean by that?

>>20277775
Everyone want to deal with them somehow and feed them with their schizos..

>>20277984
was an answer to >>20277844 sorry.

Since Risunans are human-sized squirrel people then does that mean they can have a more varied diet? Candies, animal milk, and chocolate are still a no-go. But can Risunans eat whole grain bread and sweet fruits? When /risu/ visits /nasa/ can make pulpy fruit smoothies with fruits (no milk added) and stone ground breads. Though breads might not be an option if Risunans have a gluten allergy. If we get corn and potatoes /nasa/ could make potato and corn bread instead.

>>20278351
they're poeple with squirrel features, going by previous descriptions, so the ears and the tails, also lactose intolerant.

>>20278412
>poeple
i'm not alright

>>20277711
One part that confuses me is if you have nature then surely you would have people to tend to nature. Prune trees/plants and harvest as necessary. I know your grand plan isnt to get rid of EVERYONE so naturally unless im mistaken, risuners would be spared from roses conquest. Also i believe your area is magical as well? Ill re read your lore post (which btw is fucking pog)
>>20278351
Lactose intolerant with the exception of nut milk from our nuts. But we should be good with bread and fruits i would think. Also im gonna say no to gluten allergy just because i dont want too many restrictions on what we can eat.

>>20278412
>>20278465
But can squirrel people have gluten? I know bread is banned in Ame nation because Ame is gluten intolerant.

>>20278995
>>20278987
seems like they're alright with it. Risuners are healthy peoplem, they'd make a better meal than most considering how near-vegetarian they are.

>>20278987
Whole grain wheat bread is good for you because they keep the endosperm of the wheat grains that have the most nutrition. Super market bread is just junk food with no nutrition and all carbs. The best bread you can make is home made unbleached stone ground flour bread. We're also experimenting with gluten free potato bread thanks to /who/'s potatoes.

>>20279227
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_bread
huh, that sounds cool actually

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>>20279777
If we can get sweet potatoes then we can make sweet potato bread as well.

Don't die on me thread.

>>20261431
>Meps oshi is their queen
>KFP oshi is their queen
WE ARE

>>20279984
Hooman please

>>20280446
Risu treats their oshi as more of a goddess that once a year they get to physically see. Dont know if there is a real life equivilant.

>>20280451
I am no hooman

I'm just a neutral nobody looking for a bit of violence

>>20280572
Groundhog's day?

>>20280258
Hold on, I'm trying to look up if sweet potatoes are cultivated in Oceanic climate, I don't see why not, but it looks like they primarily grow in humid continental climate. Looks like we are quite a ways from sweetness, we'd mostly get it from berries and similar things, althought maybe or canning industry can aid in their imports.

>>20280630
Even if you aren't a hooman, they are up to something

>>20280675
Berry jams and preserves go well with bread. Same with butter, cream cheese, and honey.

>>20280720
Good

>>20280675
You mean humid subtropical? That seems to match sweet potato distribution better, and fit with its description of being unable to tolerate frost. I assume oceanic climate is a bit too cold for sweet potatoes to grow well. You should still be able to grow them there, but you'll get better yield in the subtropics.

Do we have coffee trade yet? /nasa/ really wants to try local world coffee.

>>20281240
/meat/ and Anya-Petra currently has them, you might also be able to get some from places like /ggg/ and /mep/ if you ask them about it.

>>20278987
Of course we have caretakers. And we would love to keep risuners as friends even after omnicide! We wouldn't stop you from worshipping your goddess and we likely wouldn't demand much from you at all. You would have to become plants, but it really wouldn't be too different from normal life.
Our nation's land isn't magical, but our species definitely leans more on that side.

>>20281352
Is that service already available? I assume the end result probably will look like rosebuta. Also, does the transformation to Babirusa happen if the converted ones never worship Rosemi? If not, do they still transform if they renounce/sin against their original goddess? Asking for a friend

>>20281352
Thank god roses are trapped in an arctic tundra where they can't spread quickly.

>>20281315
/ggg/ is isolationist. So that leaves /meat/, anya-ptera, and /mep/. The latter two could be done via /infinity/'s trade route.

>>20281659
I think /ggg/ likes to trade, so it should still be open. Presumably shipping things from /meat/ to /nasa/ would go by /ggg/ shores too.
maybe that's why /rose/ is aligning with the tropic cannibals with growth enhancers and squirrel people with magical forest...

>>20281789
Would /ggg/ be interested in having a rep? Speaking of invites is it time to send another round of invites yet?

>Thank you for trading with us risuners heres your payment
>Hands dollar bills
>And here is yours
>Hands a bag of nuts
>Wtf is this?
>We use nuts as currency. Its a way of life.
>Nuts arent money though......
>But theyre MAGICAL nuts

>>20263589
Has the size of the world ever been confirmed?
Because Earth size makes everything HUGE

>>20282327
I think we're trading with copper, gold, and silver coins. As for trading with /risu/, are the magical nuts edible? If so then we can trade wheat flour for nuts.

>>20282327
>Risunian merchants keep getting into fist fights and getting kicked out of establishments because they keep paying in nuts

>>20282448
Earth size is what we're kinda of edging towards a consensus for, but there hasn't been a vote yet. It makes climate calcs and such easier, but yes it results in huge countries. The biggest one is /ggg/ which is much smaller than Russia but a bit larger than China, if we assume Earth circumference.
Also needless to say the elevation is exaggerated on this render, realistically the mountains are far less prominent.

>>20282619
What if we coated the nuts with nickel and value them based on size?

>>20282715
>Risunian merchants accidentally discover money laundering

I got all of the maps ready for the tectonic and geologic analysis
I'll write rentries for the analysis and post them either tonight or tomorrow. I'm pretty exhausted.
I'll also include a section for mineral resources and their plausible locations. I wont map them out as I think that that should be left to the nations themselves.

Thank you for your patience /vtwbg/, this took a bit longer than I initially would have liked

>>20283331
Holy shit this is gonna be so cool. Looking forward to it. did you see the globeposting? I don't think it would have much of an impact, but the parts of schizo wastelands and /ppt/ that were cut off are complete now.

>>20280985
Yeah, sweet potatoes in Oceanic climate is a very new thing, no chance for it. We'd have to import them from other places that have the appropiate climate
places with the subtropic climate are:
/awat/
/mep/
/risu/
north of anya-petra
east of /ybc/
/ag/
/nijiEN/
/yah/
coast of /indie/
coeast of /lig/
southern tip of /wvt/
southern tip of /pkg/
All these have proper sweet potato enviroment.

>>20283483
I've been around the thread doing this and that so yeah, Ive seen them. They are very cool.

Question: Who sells rice?

>>20283774
we need further knowledge on rivers, but from a glance the biggest producer should be /ggg/, or maybe not, maybe it's /nijiEN/, I'm not too sure, I'll look it up later

>>20283989
Rice would be a great market for seafaring because once dried it never really expires.

Is there an explanation on if chuubanite is a natural resource of the earth, or is it formed somehow?

>>20284980
The idea floating around is that it's found in the planet's mantle and small quantities of it have been dispersed everywhere in the crust and biosphere over the eons. Kinda similar to platinum group metals, or maybe more like actinides, if we go with the "slowly degrading" thing.

>>20274625
ship it in production

>>20274625
Sounds good to me. What's the lore behind jannies? Are they angels? Some kind of UN Police?

>>20281540
It sure is, bud! The end result doesn't have you look like a Rosebuta unless you want to be one, though! The normal method would be to turn you into a sort of tree person, like a dryad. You would still be allowed to worship your goddess and whatnot, but you would also probably be seen as a lesser species to Rosebutas. If you did become a Rosebuta though, you would fall under the same rules as every other Rosebuta. Which means sinning against Rosemi, or choosing not to believe in her, would cause you to turn to a Babirusa.
>>20281659
I'm actually grateful for our arctic tundra because of that! It allows me to make things a struggle, instead of a simple rapid expansion. I don't need to worry about plans being too dangerous, because Rosebutas simply aren't in the position to BE dangerous. Not yet, at least.

>>20285401
>this is the first time you've needed to fit moderation into the lore
I'm surprised this didn't come up earlier

>>20285274
I see. Besides the proposed way it reacts, is there any criteria if it reacts to a certain way that gives it a power related to a certain VTuber? And if so, can this reaction be "transfered" to other elements?

>>20285968
The only requirement we've really stuck to so far is that it doesn't unbalance things technologically on a global scale. There's also this rentry that isn't necessarily official, but people seem to agree with it: https://rentry.org/buk5e.. What's your idea?

>>20285401
>>20285684
As a neutral viewer, or observer as I like to call myself, I've always thought of the idea of a hidden and neutral piece of land sitting somewhere in that world, with people whose sole existence is to observe and archive whatever happens in the world. In fact, I was wondering why the general didn't have his own country yet? Unless I've missed it.
Maybe the Janny country would be something like that, but unlike us they decided at some point that everyone in that world was in need of guidance and became the Holy messengers of the 'First One', and thus decided to act as the 'Holy Judges of the World' themselves.

I'm terrible at making lore though, so maybe someone else can make it work or get an idea from this.

>>20286218
Maybe something like Idaten does would work

>>20282533
Yes. Risuners eat them constantly, if not use them to make other food.
>>20282619
At least were not paying in "nuts"
Who else in the lore is really horny or has high sex drives. I know /meat/ is into that weird shit.
>inb4 i turn /risu/ into the sex hub of the world.

>>20283331
Based af

>>20286391
Rosebutas have a mating season, if that counts! Most of them even have to wear special masks to filter out the pheromones in the air if they want to get stuff done. The masks sort of resemble plague doctor masks, it's cool looking!

>>20286083
Idea is more that it emanates elemental energy that affects the land around it. So it's not necessarily being used heavily on stuff as much as people use the energy to make things easier in certain areas. Also it MAY or may not have been triggered by meteors.

>>20286218
We do have a /vtwbg/ country, but we're not jannies, the jannies are. I think I have a bit of an idea forming. Something with Nazgul vibes, they're mysterious and anonymous, but when chuubanite is going into overdrive and people get schizo, they come riding in out of nowhere and start executing people. They're feared and reviled, and not beyond reproach, but their intentions are generally good. I'd put their headquarters outside of the map beyond the sight of mortal men, at the tip of the Arctic schizo wastelands, where they spend the time in-between large incidents in the other countries fighting off hordes of mindless schizos. Think like how the Custodes are constantly fighting Chaos armies right in Terra.
They would probably need to have special divine blessings to be able to carry out their missions though. That's the one group that should have a power differential relative to the others. Thoughts? With some feedback, I could write an anchor post for this.

>>20286618
so something like if the Warp of WH40K had a police system?

>>20286670
Yeah. Maybe like an ideal Inquisition, where instead of harassing "heretics" all the time, they're completely recluse 99% of the time, and they just come down with nukes anytime some Chaos gets uppity somewhere, and then leave with no explanations.

Alright this is getting a bit out of hand.
Gonna make a massive vote post again like the rep one to finally get some clarity.

Things to be voted on:

Regarding thread management:
>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Similar to the representative suggestion before, I am proposing this thread itself has one anon, most likely a representative of a thread, be the head of committee of sorts (ESL so idk what to call this in English, hopefully you get what I mean), who will gather all matters that need to be decided on in one post, so that the various nations' responses are all in one place and we can actually reach a decision in a timely manner.
>>The next 4 matters to be voted on are related to the above:
>Would such a position be permanent or rotating?
ie Would it be just one thread making the posts, or would responsibility be handed to a different thread at set intervals
>What would you suggest is a sensible time (ie day of the week/month, also time of day) for the vote post to be made, and how long should the votes be kept open?
>Should a different anchor post, similar to the prompt and lore ones, be made each thread for people to attach their suggestions to, that can then be voted on the vote post? Y/N
>Do you prefer a voting system like this one, where reps reply on one post and their answers are gathered at the end and summarized, or using poal links?

Regarding the map:
>A decision has to be made regarding /jp/; is it in an alternate dimension, is it on our current planet? If it is the latter, is it on the surface, but not shown on maps, or underground?
Feel free to add your own suggestions as well.
>Connected to the above, is the vt planet Earth sized? Y/N. If N, what alternatives do you suggest?
>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/? Y/N
Suggestions for alternative locations, size, borders are also appreciated
>Should /pyon/ get their rabbit island(s)? Y/N
Suggestions on locations, shapes and sizes are also appreciated
>If Y to the above, what should happen with the now empty /pyon/ location? If N, should /pyon/ remain where they are or be moved to an already existing island around them?
>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N
If Y, suggest alternatives
>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
>If Y, where?
>Similarly, regarding any new threads added from here on out, what do you propose is done for them to acquire land?
>What should happen at the poles?

Regarding the Rushia situation:
>Multiple lore proposals have been made in this thread, following a brief a explanation of what transpired during the incident from a fandead, however nothing concrete was decided upon to be anchored. Ideally, we would get an in-universe lorepost from a/the Rushia representative. I see that may be difficult, so reply to this question with your own lore, either by writing one now or linking a previous post.
>Similarly, for chuubas that graduate, or vt-related threads not tied to any specific chuuba fading away, should a set way to erase them from the map be decided upon or should it be investigated on a case-by-case basis?
>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have?
Specifically, assuming their existence is acknowledged, what can be said for eg /meat/, that gets deleted on a regular basis?

Regarding Chuubanite:
>Is Chuubanite the final name we want the material to have? Y/N
If N, suggest alternatives
>Is it radioactive? Y/N
>Does it differ from nation to nation, meaning it absorbs some of the qualities of the thread ruling over the area it is in, or is it a simple element which is used differently by separate nations depending on their lore?
>If the answer to the above is the former, what happens when the land the chuubanite is on changes owner?
>Is Chuubanite only found in the ground initially, then spread around by plants/humans/bacteria/planetary natural processes, or does everything inherently have Chuubanite in them, like mana?

I appreciate this is a long ass post, but these are matters we need some answers to if we want to move forward cohesively.
Feel free to add your own suggestions at the end of your posts. We will likely need a Round 2 of a vote post, as some questions ask for suggestions, so they can be discussed then.
I will gather all responses to this post, and the respective post that gets reposted in the next thread, in 48 hours, so please respond in a timely manner.
Sakuran will reply with their votes and suggestions in a separate post.
This post itself is at the character limit, so answering will take multiple posts

>>20286990
Regarding thread management:
>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Y, it's why I'm suggesting it.
>>The next 4 matters to be voted on are related to the above:
>Would such a position be permanent or rotating?
I called out to the original OPs of this general in the past, hoping they were around and could have become a permanent head for gathering voting matters. Since I received no response, I will assume they are either not around or do not wish to assume this position. Therefore, I suggest instead that the position is rotating. Sakuran has already made this type of post twice, and I recall /kfp/ doing this once some time back, so I'd be glad if some other threads also got the chance to do this. It does invite some sense of responsivity which may deter some anons, and I understand that, however I feel it would serve as a good opportunity to see the qualities of each representative as a head of a committee, which can translate as their ability to be a representative of their nation.
>What would you suggest is a sensible time (ie day of the week/month, also time of day) for the vote post to be made, and how long should the votes be kept open?
I would say votes should be started on Friday, noon UTC, (unlike this one), with each round (in case multiples are necessary, like this one) going for 48 hours. I believe this would maximize the ability for reps to reply with their own votes, as two days over the weekend should be enough even for anons working to get their suggestions in on time.
>Should a different anchor post, similar to the prompt and lore ones, be made each thread for people to attach their suggestions to, that can then be voted on the vote post? Y/N
Y, it would make things a lot easier, I had to pull all this crap from my head you know. I definitely missed a fair amount of things to discuss. It can also used as a "lore suggestion" anchor, where lore for matters regarding threads not here, chuubanite and other "neutral" matters is attached so that they can be easily found and discussed.
>Do you prefer a voting system like this one, where reps reply on one post and their answers are gathered at the end and summarized, or using poal links?
While I do like seeing the numbers on a poll, I feel like making posts like the the vote posts from before allows for more transparency, as I know there are multiple anons from the threads lurking here whose votes may alter the numerical poll results, while answers from thread representatives on a vote post will be counted just once.

Regarding the map:
>A decision has to be made regarding /jp/; is it in an alternate dimension, is it on our current planet? If it is the latter, is it on the surface, but not shown on maps, or underground?
I have been proposing /jp/ is on the planet, but on the other side and censored from maps, to easily connect lore for nations that existed before vt. From some lore I saw for Rushia, however, I've started preferring the alternate dimension proposal, with portals being able to be created between worlds. Those would be special events though, and would require a fair amount of Chuubanite. They can be limited to special events like the exile of fandead after the fall of Rushia, major yabs that pull random tourists from teh rest of 4chan to vt etc
>Connected to the above, is the vt planet Earth sized? Y/N. If N, what alternatives do you suggest?
Y, it makes things much easier. If it wasn't gravity, tectonics, atmosphere, weather, development of life etc would all got to shit. No need to reinvent the wheel. I recall some anon doing the math and trying to fit the planet precisely on the number of pixels on the map and having to shave off like 900km in diameter, which should be okay I think.
>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
Eavth
>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
Y. This is a Sakuran proposal. I have explained this before, but FBK interacts with the Stars in some degree, while Mio does not. This doesn't necessarily mean the threads themselves reflect this, but it would definitely make more sense if they were swapped. Additionally, FBK is an arctic fox, so being further north than Mio, who is I think a wolf in alpine forests, would make sense.
If the change were to be made, I would also suggest changing the size of the borders a bit, as /fbk/ is also represented in /bakatare/ and would get a bigger piece of land, while /mion/'s land would become smaller in the swap. /fbk/'s new land would be frozen however, so that should be accounted for.
>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/? Y/N
Y. Sakuran has made a suggestion in >>20076380, >>20076414 (also holy fuck that was 4 days ago and there were like 5 threads in-between)

>>20286990
>>20287032
>Should /pyon/ get their rabbit island(s)? Y/N
Y, Sakuran has am de a suggestion in >>20113965
>If Y to the above, what should happen with the now empty /pyon/ location?
Remain empty to put future threads
>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N
Y, though /uuu/ have said they aren't that interested in the game, I still think simply taking their land is wrong. This would also mean taking a bunch of magical forests and "deactivating", if we follow /who/ lore of antichuubium or whatever. We also have to be fair to /inf/, that got shat on for trying to make /risu/ a protectorate. Yes, I was against them doing that as well, and have been against /who/'s land taking all the same. This is the one case, though, I will suggest a protectorate, as it makes things simpler for the region. Maybe /who/ can even win the favour of the forest, and discover they aren't actually averse to Chuubanite, or something.
>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
I'd say wait until the end of the month to see if they're stable enough to stay around, then Y
>If Y, where?
/pyon/'s location that would be emptied after they get their islands, otherwise they'd have to cannibalise some land
>Similarly, regarding any new threads added from here on out, what do you propose is done for them to acquire land?
If they are related to other threads, maybe a war broke out and they separated themselves. Otherwise, for new Holo or Niji gens for example, idk. We'll ahve to cannibilise territories from each continent to fit them in.
>What should happen at the poles?
I'm fine with the frozen Siberia project on the north and a cold ocean at the south proposal.

Regarding the Rushia situation:
>Multiple lore proposals have been made in this thread, following a brief a explanation of what transpired during the incident from a fandead, however nothing concrete was decided upon to be anchored. Ideally, we would get an in-universe lorepost from a/the Rushia representative. I see that may be difficult, so reply to this question with your own lore, either by writing one now or linking a previous post.
Don't have one, though I liked >>20274625. Barbarians can be schizos from the wasteland that "sensed" the Chuubanite instability in the region and came to wreck havoc. I'd also suggest to be added that, fandead that abandoned the hobby and left died in this world, fandead that changed oshi are immigrants in their respective threads, fandead that are either waiting in various vt threads or their thread in jp are refugees.
>Similarly, for chuubas that graduate, or vt-related threads not tied to any specific chuuba fading away, should a set way to erase them from the map be decided upon or should it be investigated on a case-by-case basis?
Case-by-case, it would make more sense.
>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have?
They're unrelated to the deities that are chuubas, they're more like a type of metaphysical cleaners of our dimension that try and prevent it from destabilizing due to Chuubanite running rampant. /meat/ gets smited on the reg cause they dislike them.

Regarding Chuubanite:
>Is Chuubanite the final name we want the material to have? Y/N
N, I resuggest Vitubium, with elemental symbol Vt
>Is it radioactive? Y/N
N, in the traditional sense, as it would mean everybody all over the world would be dying from radiation poisoning. We can say it's a rare earth element taht is "psychically" radioactive, meaning long-term exposure to high quantities turns you crazy. Hence the schizos up north, but also the psychedelic properties it has.
>Does it differ from nation to nation, meaning it absorbs some of the qualities of the thread ruling over the area it is in, or is it a simple element which is used differently by separate nations depending on their lore?
I'd say it does absorb some of the nation's deity's affinity, meaning it would have slightly different properties in different places across the world.
>If the answer to the above is the former, what happens when the land the chuubanite is on changes owner?
The Chuubanite "senses" the change, and adapts to the different properties relating to the new owner of the land.
>Is Chuubanite only found in the ground initially, then spread around by plants/humans/bacteria/planetary natural processes, or does everything inherently have Chuubanite in them, like mana?
The former, though it can be argued small amounts of it are everywhere so it might as well be like mana.

This concludes Sakuran's votes

>>20286391
>>inb4 i turn /risu/ into the sex hub of the world.
Don't let your land end on the fetish continent!

>>20286618
They don't necessarily need a blessing, knowledge should be enough. Maybe they've already reached a point where they gained full knowledge of chuubanite, or if we go a step further maybe the origin of chuubanite itself. In contrast, gross analogy but it'd be like someone knowing about fire showing up whenever some prehistorical man was facing a wildfire.
If you know about it then you know perfectly how to fight against it, use it, equip yourself etc.

>>20287077
I ask you to ignore the chuubanite lore I made for /who/, for it is stupid. It simply didn't happen. We don't need to consider it for the world, for it's not something that will be added in the first place, if someone less retarded than me can come up with working anti-magic, then let them, but /who/ has abandoned the idea to facilitate everything else. Basically, just ignore that whole thing happened.

>>20286990
>>20287032
>>20287077
Based Sakuran. I further propose that we pull something similar to gold (Au), and the element is called Chuubanite, but the symbol is Vt because it was called Vitubium in some ancient language.

>>20287032
>responsivity
*responsibility
>>20287077
>am de
*made
>other small mistakes
This is what I get for getting bored and not proofreading my posts

>>20286990
... is only a thread rep allowed to answer or can others voice opinions too?

>>20287500
Oh I know that lore suggestion was retracted, but I took into consideration your initial suggestion of being averse to using chuubanite and added that in there. You don't have to be antimagic, but it can serve as some sort of inspiration for lore, idk. Maybe you didn't like using chuubanite but came around to it after getting friendly with /uuu/ druids or something

>>20287560
Feel free to answer with your opinions, but know if you're not an official thread rep I won't be counting your posts as votes

>>20287484
That's a way to go about it, but the issue with that is that this would mean other nations could feasibly use the same techniques as the jannies and fight them on equal footing, which obviously doesn't translate to actual /vt/ dynamics. I guess we could just make sure the jannies really closely guard these secrets, but I feel like their power transcending the mortal plane should be represented in some way.

>>20287678
I guess i could add in something like that, but I'm waiting to see what someone at my thread comes up with.

>>20286990
/nasa/ here.
>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Question is will it become another neufag scenario where everyone dogpiles the tripfag again? I'm undecided.
>Would such a position be permanent or rotating?
I'm for rotation because a permanent rep will act like a czar eventually.
>What would you suggest is a sensible time (ie day of the week/month, also time of day) for the vote post to be made, and how long should the votes be kept open?
Weekends would be idea. Not sure about time because of timezones.
>Should a different anchor post, similar to the prompt and lore ones, be made each thread for people to attach their suggestions to, that can then be voted on the vote post? Y/N
If it keeps things organized sure.
>Do you prefer a voting system like this one, where reps reply on one post and their answers are gathered at the end and summarized, or using poal links?
Replies seem to take more effort but provide commentary like deligate voting. I prefer replies as poals can be manipulated.

>A decision has to be made regarding /jp/; is it in an alternate dimension, is it on our current planet? If it is the latter, is it on the surface, but not shown on maps, or underground?
/jp/ is another board and thus represents another plane of existence.
>Connected to the above, is the vt planet Earth sized? Y/N. If N, what alternatives do you suggest?
Earth size simplifies time, gravity, atmosphere, climate, and tectonics. There's a reason why Earth worlds are the ideal life planets.
>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
/nasa/ has a codename of "Planet - /vt/". But name can be whatever is popular.
>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
No comment because I don't know the situation.
>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/? Y/N
Is it a new general that sticks around then sure.
>Should /pyon/ get their rabbit island(s)? Y/N
If it doesn't affect the climate too much then sure.
>If Y to the above, what should happen with the now empty /pyon/ location?
Could reserve it for another general or territories can claim land.
>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
If its a new general sure.
>If Y, where?
No idea, but /pyon/'s old territiry might work.
>Similarly, regarding any new threads added from here on out, what do you propose is done for them to acquire land?
Maybe work with the land that we do have first. Figure out which territories can cede land. But at some point we have to freeze the creation of new continents.
>What should happen at the poles?
Could add either a continent or glacier ice shelf.

1/2

>>20287746
The problem I have with the blessing is that if it can happen, it technically means it can potentially happen to anyone else. That's a real huge and unstable power shifting potential to throw in.
With the knowledge route, one it assures that it never gets into divine territory, and two even if some other nation manages to get a glimpse of it chances they'd still need all the lore years that it took for /janny/ to develop around it. Not to mention, most countries are already too busy schizoying themselves with internal conflicts so the knowledge would like be immediately forgotten for the next juicy drama that happens next door.

Again, technically speaking /janny/ has been here for a very long time, so rather than divine blessing maybe we can view them as some sort of ancestors.

Since it's being voted on, here is the current WIP proposal for the North Pole lands. The first circle is about where the Mercator projection map ends. The smaller circle is about where I reckon you'd have a permanent year-long ice shelf (not sure, haven't done calcs).
The South Pole is as mentioned just a polar ocean.

>>20287983
>Multiple lore proposals have been made in this thread, following a brief a explanation of what transpired during the incident from a fandead, however nothing concrete was decided upon to be anchored. Ideally, we would get an in-universe lorepost from a/the Rushia representative. I see that may be difficult, so reply to this question with your own lore, either by writing one now or linking a previous post.
>Similarly, for chuubas that graduate, or vt-related threads not tied to any specific chuuba fading away, should a set way to erase them from the map be decided upon or should it be investigated on a case-by-case basis?
It should depend on whether or not the chuuba graduates or is terminated. Termination could include channel suspensions.
>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have?
Jannies weigh 300 pounds, eat hot pockets and work for free.
>Specifically, assuming their existence is acknowledged, what can be said for eg /meat/, that gets deleted on a regular basis?
If they get permanently banned then we'll talk about it then.

>Is Chuubanite the final name we want the material to have? Y/N
If N, suggest alternatives
Chuubanite is the name of the ore. Vitubium is the name of the refined material.
>Is it radioactive? Y/N
Depends on what vitubium bonds with. If the base material is radioactive then yes.
>Does it differ from nation to nation, meaning it absorbs some of the qualities of the thread ruling over the area it is in, or is it a simple element which is used differently by separate nations depending on their lore?
Both, each nation has their own kinds of vitubium that differs with the environment. It can still be refined into the purer element in some way.
>If the answer to the above is the former, what happens when the land the chuubanite is on changes owner?
Depends on termination and lore discussed by the thread's general.
>Is Chuubanite only found in the ground initially, then spread around by plants/humans/bacteria/planetary natural processes, or does everything inherently have Chuubanite in them, like mana?
Vitubium is not mitichloridians. Vitubium in plant/animal matter enhances the nutrient or chemicals that enhance their effects. Vitubium is a matter that stores different kinds of energy depending on what it bonds with. In a way it can be seen as a manifestation of the essence of life. Further discussion and research is necessary to figure out what vitubium actually is.

2/2

>>20288169
I guess I'm looking at it as /vt/ influencing Vitubia. Since the happenings of /vt/ directly decide what occurs in Vitubia, from my point of view there is no risk of another thread ever gaining the blessings of the jannies, because that isn't something that is possible given how the board is run.
On the other hand, another thread possibly gaining the knowledge of the jannies, even if it takes years, is what I would consider a huge and unstable power shifting potential.
Having them be some kind of ancient organization, maybe even preceding Vitubia itself is an interesting idea though, I like that.

>>20288505
One vote I missed about /uuu/ and /who/. When /uuu/ gets a rep that says they want their territory back then they should get their territory back.

>>20276024
General tech level seems to be closer to 1800's on average. Also, now with punk history the divergences are likely to be higher.

/pyon/ here
we've agreed pretty much on the island concept I have a map of the island like 1/3 done, where could we place it? we're thinking somewhere tropical, near the equator. this wouldn't conflict with anything right?

>>20289121
How large are the islands?

>>20289159
i've actually figured this one out, if we assume /vt/ is earthlike, then the circumference is something like 24,901 miles long. using some calculations, that makes my /pyon/ projection somewhere around 112.0545 miles northernmost tip to southernmost tip, and 203.358166667 miles easternmost tip to westernmost tip (i measured this at the equator so that elliptical geometry didn't fuck me over).

>>20289411
I mean, how large on the map
I want to see how likely the islands would disrupt currents

>>20289466
ah, sorry. here you go

>>20289534
yeah that size shouldnt be an issue at all

>>20276232
To sell you on /nasfaqg/: it can translate your reps and knowledge of the Hololive streams/events into making (fake) money in a simulation of a stock market. You can play it casually, trading just by feel, or you can try to learn the intricacies of the mechanics to try to optimize your strategy.

It is, fundamentally, an autism over time type of game. It's left largely for you to explore, and it's very simple to make profit... the issue is that most other players are also making profit, and you're competing against them, which gets harder and harder the higher up you go.

The community itself is diverse with a lot of different fanbases being represented you normally wouldn't interact with. Right now, the late-game is somewhat stale (for people who've been playing it for months) but it's still a good experience for new players, especially with the newly introduced betting.

>>20286990
From /who/
>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Undecided
>Would such a position be permanent or rotating?
If applied, then rotating
>What would you suggest is a sensible time (ie day of the week/month, also time of day) for the vote post to be made, and how long should the votes be kept open?
Weekends, no idea for hour.
>Should a different anchor post, similar to the prompt and lore ones, be made each thread for people to attach their suggestions to, that can then be voted on the vote post? Y/N
for further organization, then yes.
>Do you prefer a voting system like this one, where reps reply on one post and their answers are gathered at the end and summarized, or using poal links?
Yes, it has worked so far.
>A decision has to be made regarding /jp/; is it in an alternate dimension, is it on our current planet? If it is the latter, is it on the surface, but not shown on maps, or underground?
Another dimension.
>Connected to the above, is the vt planet Earth sized? Y/N. If N, what alternatives do you suggest?
Yes, facilitates everything else.
>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
Dunno, if i had to put something out it'd be chubaearth.
>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
I don't know about the situation enough to comment on it
>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/? Y/N
Sure, maybe it could be done as a sort of federation.
>Should /pyon/ get their rabbit island(s)? Y/N
Yeah
>If Y to the above, what should happen with the now empty /pyon/ location?
Space for new generals
>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
Sure. Adding /aa/ too.
>If Y, where?
Pyon's previous spot.
>Similarly, regarding any new threads added from here on out, what do you propose is done for them to acquire land?
No idea. Not smart enough to come up with a solution. Figuring out which generals are willing to cede territory is key.
>What should happen at the poles?
Artic oceans would work i guess.
>Multiple lore proposals have been made in this thread, following a brief a explanation of what transpired during the incident from a fandead, however nothing concrete was decided upon to be anchored. Ideally, we would get an in-universe lorepost from a/the Rushia representative. I see that may be difficult, so reply to this question with your own lore, either by writing one now or linking a previous post.
>Similarly, for chuubas that graduate, or vt-related threads not tied to any specific chuuba fading away, should a set way to erase them from the map be decided upon or should it be investigated on a case-by-case basis?
Depends on the situation.
>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have?
Jannies are fat and unreasonable, or something like that.
>Specifically, assuming their existence is acknowledged, what can be said for eg /meat/, that gets deleted on a regular basis?
Undecided, only an issue if they get permakilled
>Is Chuubanite the final name we want the material to have? Y/N
If N, suggest alternatives
Sure
>Is it radioactive? Y/N
Undecided.
>Does it differ from nation to nation, meaning it absorbs some of the qualities of the thread ruling over the area it is in, or is it a simple element which is used differently by separate nations depending on their lore?
Unsure, if it's got a reasonable explanation then yes.
>If the answer to the above is the former, what happens when the land the chuubanite is on changes owner?
The techniques change and are presumably lost or replaced.
>Is Chuubanite only found in the ground initially, then spread around by plants/humans/bacteria/planetary natural processes, or does everything inherently have Chuubanite in them, like mana?
Chuubanite is rocks

Is there anyone from /rbc/ lurking. We need to confirm if our weapons vault landed past the border.

>>20286990
/wg/
>Thread management
Having an anchor post for unresolved topics would be good and would give them increased discussion and visibility. If we are going with a rotating committee head, it would also make the task of calling a vote much easier. I'm in favor of having reps vote on issues though I don't think we need to have an official head or rotating system. With an anchor for what needs to be voted on, it doesn't matter too much who starts up the ballot and there isn't much room for bias when people can just check the anchor to see the issues for themselves. The voting period should be at least 24 hours to give everyone a chance to see it regardless of time zone. With 24 hours to respond, it doesn't matter when it goes up, but it would be better to aim for when the thread is most active. Votes can be held as often as need be by looking at the anchor and seeing if anything needs to be decided on. I think having in-thread votes would be better than poals for more transparency and to allow people to explain their viewpoint rather than give simple yes/no responses.
>Map
I think what's on the map should be it, with /jp/ being in another realm or an antediluvian civilization. Having the planet be earth-sized would be best to keep things relatively simple and avoid other annoying problems. For the name, I've seen Veetee thrown around but I'm personally a fan of something like Vitalia. Whether or not /fbk/ and /mion/ swap can be left to those threads, I don't have much of an opinion on that. Personally, I'd have /OKFAMS/ be an alliance of the existing nations rather than a separate one, although we do have /micomet/ already, so if the thread wants to join then we can carve out space for them from those nations. For /pyon/ I'd rather not have to shuffle the map too much now that it's been more or less finalized, though I prefer the rabbit profile to the rabbit face. If they stay, then they can still barter for /nina/'s island. If they do move then I suppose the vacated territory becomes available for nearby threads to fight over and settle. I'm not a fan of /who/'s land grab, especially since it's such a large amount of territory, but forcing them to reverse it also leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps they can settle for a smaller portion of /uuu/? In any case, we should have further discussion on how to handle boundary changes moving forward. For new threads, if they prove to be a mainstay and want to join then we can figure out how to fit them in at that point in time. For now, I don't think we need to worry about new countries just yet. I'm good with letting /3/anon take the lead regarding what to do with the poles.
>Rushia
It seems like what happened can be boiled down to: their chuubanite destabilized, the fandead hunkered down in underground bunkers while everything erupted above them and schizos came rolling in, and then the survivors suffered some unknown fate with their bodies never found by search parties sent in after things calmed down. For other threads that fall off the board, their fates should be decided on a case-by-case basis. As for jannies, I think it would be best to sidestep the issue entirely. If they are to exist then have them be a force of nature--like natural disasters, huge storms, or chuubanite going nuclear--rather than a population to be reasoned with.
>Chuubanite
I'm fine with that being the name. I've also seen suggestions of vitubium, but that feels too industrial for my tastes. I did like that one anon's idea of having chuubanite be the natural ore and vitubium a more refined version that is produced out of it. I don't think it needs to be especially radioactive, though it would be good if we had a final set of rules for what it does and doesn't do. I think having it come in different varieties is more interesting since it allows us to trade it as a resource. Ultimately though, it seems to gain some of its power from our worship, so that could be an explanation of why it works differently in different regions and changes properties when the land changes owners. Chuubanite might simply be a reflection of how we worship our chosen chuubas. I'd prefer to have chuubanite be a physical resource, for example needing to be mined, rather than a midichlorian microbe that's everywhere.

>All the comments about the Jannies' fatness
So we make 'em Godskin Nobles?

does each general already have its chosen reps?

>>20293120
If they're gonna be powerful, isolated smiters of the schizos, that kind of design would prevent them from just being "cool badass edgelord donut steel" types.

>>20286990
i am from /meat/
>thread
i don't like mandating tripcodes, especially since i am from a small thread that gets harassed by jannies for "off topic" and "ban evasion" despite neither of those catagories being true, but if necessary, having a single tripfag for each thread who can come in when they are needed, and only when they are needed, sounds fair enough. otherwise, it shouldn't be necessary by default. if nontrips want to talk and make suggestions here, that's fine, but if two people supposedly from the same thread start disagreeing, the word of someone with a trip will be valued over one without. poll links can sometimes be useful, but i hate how vague they tend to be. y/n is a terrible system for a poll, my vote can be conditional if i explain it here.
>map
alt realm. catering to other sites beyond /vt/ would be bullshit, imagine giving anything more than an inch of our planet's finite land to a group that not only wont post here, but also kicked all of us out, and has no inherent link to anything we discuss here. keeping it earth-size is easier logistically. i see no reason not to call it /vt/ or some variant of. i don't have much of an opinion on the whereabouts of any given thread. if they agree, so be it, if they aren't participating, they lose some of their say in the matter roleplay what they would actually want to do. don't be disingenuous please but beyond that i don't really care. kiki asked for it before the map was finished so i'm leaning for yes, but please keep the climate unaffected if you can. open space is free real estate. new threads should spawn from the schitzo wastelands or from /vtwbg/, if jannies physically exist, they should be eldritch beings that terrorize these regions with wanton disregard, and then disappear into thin air where they belong.
>rushia
it's a radioactive shithole with fandeads and schitzos scattered about, the chuubanite still has an effect, but it's been dulled, and is less stable at least until she is reborn, as a /meat/head i want to say the death of their chuuba may have created more chuubanite in it's raw form beneath some of their regions life force of gods and all but take it as you will. i also want to say almost every death of a chuuba has connections to /meat/, and that the region might be full of nihilistic, but still alive schitzos and the former residents.
>chuubanite
either chuubanite, or vitubium. it decays, it's pure form binds to everything, and it can be used to produce light and energy so i figure it probably is radioactive. it differs depending on the activator substances/glyphs. anyone with the knowledge of how to use another chuuba's chuubanite abilities can, but i believe worship plays a role in the stability of the magical effect note, not the stability of the ore itself. look through the archives for what i suggested due to the nature of the heavenly realm. this means it's easier to be used by those who are from the nation. chuubanite is found in the ground, but since it existed ever since chuubas did, it's pretty much in everything.
please, if you have questions, ask me. the more clarity the better

>>20293658
The more active ones do, but a lot of nations haven't posted much if at all.

>>20287077
>everybody all over the world would be dying from radiation poisoning.
>t. doesn't understand nuclear physics
this world already has bananas and other such radioactive substances, what's the worst a bit of impure ore is going to do when it has to be processed to be dangerous enough to give you brain cancer even after 40 years of keeping the shit under your bed while you sleep?
>oh no, if we have uranium ores scattered all over the place then a boulder falling onto it could cause a MOAB sized nuclear explosion all over the place, just like what happens in real life when uranium ore gets hit funny, right?
nuclear fearmongering always boils down to this.

>>20286990
Hoshiyomia rep here.
>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Yes
>Would such a position be permanent or rotating?
Rotating
>What would you suggest is a sensible time (ie day of the week/month, also time of day) for the vote post to be made, and how long should the votes be kept open?
3 days
>Should a different anchor post, similar to the prompt and lore ones, be made each thread for people to attach their suggestions to, that can then be voted on the vote post? Y/N
Yes
>Do you prefer a voting system like this one, where reps reply on one post and their answers are gathered at the end and summarized, or using poal links?
This one, but it would greatly need tripcodes for it to work as intended
>A decision has to be made regarding /jp/; is it in an alternate dimension, is it on our current planet? If it is the latter, is it on the surface, but not shown on maps, or underground?
An alternate dimension, accessed via portals
>Connected to the above, is the vt planet Earth sized? Y/N. If N, what alternatives do you suggest?
Is it important? Why does it matters? Venus sized is good, I guess
>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
Vitria
>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
Yes
>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/? Y/N
I don't think so. The general mostly doesn't exist, unless occasionally
>Should /pyon/ get their rabbit island(s)? Y/N
Yes, close to equator. The last suggestion the /pyon/ representative did
>If Y to the above, what should happen with the now empty /pyon/ location? If N, should /pyon/ remain where they are or be moved to an already existing island around them?
Empty slot, I suppose
>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N
No, but if /uuu/ comes with a representative later, there has to be a serious discussion about it. Alternatively, it can be a shared land
>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
>If Y, where?
No, there's no general for them
>Similarly, regarding any new threads added from here on out, what do you propose is done for them to acquire land?
Take land from the inactives countries. They can't complain if they never cared
>What should happen at the poles?
Frozen wastelands, nothing useful there
>Multiple lore proposals have been made in this thread, following a brief a explanation of what transpired during the incident from a fandead, however nothing concrete was decided upon to be anchored. Ideally, we would get an in-universe lorepost from a/the Rushia representative. I see that may be difficult, so reply to this question with your own lore, either by writing one now or linking a previous post.
A wasteland with mindless undead and endless storms with a giant purple spiral coming out of the royal palace. The capital is highly radioactive
>Similarly, for chuubas that graduate, or vt-related threads not tied to any specific chuuba fading away, should a set way to erase them from the map be decided upon or should it be investigated on a case-by-case basis?
Investigated case by case
>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have?
Archangels or something like that. Untouchable by mortals and insivible to people. They work from the shadows when something goes out of control
>Is Chuubanite the final name we want the material to have? Y/N
Yes, Vt the symbol
If N, suggest alternatives
>Is it radioactive? Y/N
Yes
>Does it differ from nation to nation, meaning it absorbs some of the qualities of the thread ruling over the area it is in, or is it a simple element which is used differently by separate nations depending on their lore?
Simply an element that exists and have some properties
>Is Chuubanite only found in the ground initially, then spread around by plants/humans/bacteria/planetary natural processes, or does everything inherently have Chuubanite in them, like mana?
Found in rocks and caves, if glows

>>20293658
I just sort of made myself de facto rep for /rose/, since I was the only one interested at first. I've got a couple more into the idea now, but I'm still pretty much the big bud in charge.

Janny brainstorming summary.
https://rentry.org/afspy
It's a somewhat controversial topic, so I expect this kind of summary could be useful to figure out vote options. Will be adding suggestions and ideas from the thread representatives as votes come in.

>>20293658
pretty much /pyon/ representative although i wouldn't be as active here if other reps didn't tell me to actually talk to you guys since you wanted some of our input or something

CURRENT GOAL: Discuss and vote on the following issues:
https://poal.me/1wqi8e
https://poal.me/4q09sv

How much longer are these polls going to go and how will they be enforced?

>>20289534
I know that this would open old wounds but it would be more prudent if /pyon/ would not have this island. Suddenly adding landmass in favor of someone who just come here and demanding islands willy nilly would set a bad example specially now that new vtuber groups are on the horizon.

>>20296320
that's why we voted

>>20296320
Tbh I've mostly seen people other than /pyanon/s advocate for this, since Kiki requested the island herself. This reflect favorably on the endeavour imo. Later on, new threads may get new landmass, or territory from existing land, and we can decide what to do on a case-by-case basis.

>>20296107
Although I voted yes to both polls and those choices are ahead, I wouldn't recognise their results as valid. Especially the first one, as it has over 50 votes yet this thread has had less than 40 posters, maybe half of which are representatives.
Clearing up whether such poal votes should even be accepted is one of the matters currently being discussed, along with the matters theese poals themselves are on, so please reply to the appropriate post. If we end up wanting to do poals, remaking them with a set time limit would probably be better
>>20296320
I mean, their goddess themself asked for it, and we were still not completely done with the map (heck we still kinda aren't) so I support it. I'd even consider adding small islands for new indie threads a viable plan, but that can be discussed another time.

>>20296582
>Later on, new threads may get new landmass
This is why I'm voting no on this concept. It's better to have them give diplomatic offers on existing general territories in order to give them awareness that a party is interested in their land and would facilitate discussion. If said general shows disinterest then they can carve their territory on that land.

>>20293658
I wasn't chosen per se, more like i was the only one interested in the project in my thread

>>20297193
/pyon/ here
i completely understand that. if ultimately the vote is flipped despite it's current lead, i'll just have to cut my losses and accept i. i'm not entirely sure how chaotic our influence of this decision could be, but we could just say later down the road that it can only be done if the chuuba themselves requests it, or it gets voted on. although i can see if we vote on it and the other hypothetical general tries to influence it, that would ultimately go against the people who keep this project alive and created it, even if it's what they want. if we do keep the island, we'll have to count on the fact that they won't do this, or we can think up a better way to regulate it. for now, i say, after the map is "finished" or at least the landmasses are, we can just tell them no unless a /here/tuber specifically requests it. i dunno. if you want to ask me anything about it, maybe compromise, just propose it whenever. i'll probably be lurking.

>>20297193
>>20298030
>This is why I'm voting no on this concept. It's better to have them give diplomatic offers on existing general territories in order to give them awareness that a party is interested in their land and would facilitate discussion. If said general shows disinterest then they can carve their territory on that land.
>carve their territory
I wonder if /pyon/ would be alright with having their landmass shrunken and their former borders filled with ocean as a display of Kiki's divine power tearing /pyon/ away from the mainland and sending it adrift into the sea. It doesn't really feel that much like a handout if no new landmasses were being created and pyon's existing land is diminished as a result of it's geographical change. I think it could also be a good piece of lore if anybody at /pyon/ wanted to write something up based off of it, though those are only my thoughts.

>>20297913
Same story with /nasa/. The thread liked the writing I put forward so far. So I kept going.

>>20298030
If they really want an island, /indie/ has an island. Offer them territory swap or just the island, your call.

>>20298407
only if the vote fails

I think /nasa/ is going to have to contact /rbc/ directly. I hope they still have interest in the thread. Seems like they would quit because of technology nerfs.

>>20298223
I actually like this idea a lot. I originally voted no, but I'd be okay with something like this. It doesn't add new land and requires /pyon/ to give up a bit of land for it, and it can only be done because the chuuba herself asked for it, which caused her will to manifest as an action on this world. It would be similar to the situation with /nasa/'s meteorite being a one-time boon granted by their goddess.

>>20290788
I may sound like a retard asking this... But is it possible to be completely broke in the game? Because I kinda wanna do it casually at the beginning and then, if I find myself really liking it, I could start going more seriously at it...

>>20299459
>But is it possible to be completely broke in the game?
NTA but I'll answer anyways.
It is possible but only through a very specific series of actions. I wouldn't stress it.

>>20299459
>completely broke
nta you can't go completely bankrupt in nasfaq, we have this thing called dividends which gives you free money every week based on weekly stats.
you will always have money, its only a matter on how fast you want to grow thus the autism.

>>20293658
I single handedly saved /risu/

>>20299306
what if we make the departed land the same shape and just put a negative of the southern coast as an indent in the coast of /pyon/s old territory

>>20293658
I'm pretty sure we (/nasfaqg/) chose ours but I'd still want explicit confirmation on that

>>20299604
That sounds like the same thing, unless you mean moving the island to a different location as well. I'd prefer the island stay near /pyon/'s old territory if we go this route, otherwise it's too similar to just making a new island.
>>20299689
Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression you guys didn't have reps since there's no central government and each citizen just kinda does their own thing. Though I suppose you might need to elect one for certain global events/votes, but that could also rotate if necessary.

>>20299689
the deadbeat is our rep right?
>>20299996
nta but yup, nasfaq doesn't have a central gov but we still need to have a voice for voting etc..

>>20299565
>>20299591
Ok, guess I'll give a try then! I'll see you in the stock market, anons!

>>20299996
Having a rep for /nasfaqg/ is for meta reasons. Having a rep is important for votes,and finding consensus on general lore, etc..
>>20300161
Yeah I'm under the impression the deadbeat is the rep since no one else seemed to want to be one
>>20300171
Good luck, be sure to visit the thread and ask for tips on market magics / mechanics if you so wish!

Hi. /nasfaqg/ rep here, chosen by the thread.

I'm coming here to discuss something that we've discussed for a while, which is /nasfaqg/'s aesthetics and technological level. The world of /vtwbg/ has been bumped up several times since we've debuted our initial aesthetics (XVth Century Venice) or subsequent one (XVIth Century Netherlands). Right now, the thread treats late XVIIIth and early XIXth century inventions and concepts as if they were common, together with the presence of multiple early XIXth century threads (you can say it's the 1700's but surprisingly basically no one is in them). Which leads us to...

>The Proposal
/nasfaqg/ would wish to move onto a late Victorian-era aesthetics building on the European-esque feel of Venice/Netherlands, into something akin to London - think Dishonored. The Exchange itself would be based off NYSE from 1860's-1880's, the era of industrial and financial magnates like Dow, Rockefeller, or Morgan.
Regarding technology, it'd vary wildly for reasons I will get into in the reasoning/drawbacks section, but it'd likely use a pre-industrial 1800's as the baseline, with individual plutocrats reaching tech in their favored discipline up to 1880's. Overall, we'd assume 1850's tech level would be "average", primarily in commercial and theoretical technology, with tech that'd be mass produced stalling behind significantly, including military technology.

The level of technology /is/ higher than the general level of technology, and I will explain the reasoning and the drawbacks that would a) cull back on its usefulness and b) stop its spread.

>The Reasoning
/nasfaqg/'s core identity relies on two things: the stock market and trade. The former comes from the fact that the game the thread centers around clearly parodies NASDAQ - a modern exchange, supporting digital purchases, as well as taking certain elements of the cryptocurrency aesthetics. As such, we've always strived to be the most "modern" stock exchange/financial setting of the /vtwbg/ current era, which currently falls outside of the Dutch Golden Age. The latter comes from both the game's auction system and translation of the game's mechanics into thread culture and ultimately /vtwbg/ behavior. In order to remain competitive in the trading department, one either has to stay ahead of the curve in terms of development of transport, good production, and information, or maintain a iron-grip monopoly over a specific market.

The first core identity drives us to the stock exchange that'd be closest to modern one - thus our choice of NYSE and Dishonored-ish aesthetics. The second means that it's extremely hard to justify /nasfaqg/'s wealth or trade when several other threads offer to /share/ their technology while using it to benefit them economically. Why accept /nasfaqg/'s investors when someone domestically can build a better cement/a faster ship/a better product?

Finally, it does make sense logically. /nasfaqg/ is an extremely open melting pot thread, which means that putting the baseline below what other threads openly know about would be illogical - this excludes, of course, technology that is unique, being kept secret, or is unusable AND kept secret (a'la /nasa/). It's an extremely competitive environment where traders aim to gain any kind of tangible advantage over their opponents, meaning tons of funding and drive to improve /specific/ technologies.
If you can learn information about what goods are needed on the other side of the globe and send it faster to the chapters of your company present there, you can respond to crises and shortages faster than your competition.
If you can transport certain goods either faster, in bigger amounts, or cheaper than your competition, you're carving out a niche for yourself that your opponents cannot fill.
If you can model and process data better than your rivals, your financial investments domestically and on the stock exchange will yield greater returns.
If you can improve your mental processing power and physical stamina, you can trade for longer.
If you develop psychoactive substances from Chuubanite/Vitubium and study biology/chemistry extensively, you can tap onto your subconscious to make trades using the "flow" of the market, tuning into its "black magics".
This competitiveness and extreme individualism, while driving progress forward, ironically also stops it from proliferation which I will touch upon in the Drawbacks.

>>20300493 (cont'd)

>The Drawbacks
1.) Extreme Competition + Laissez Faire = Secrecy
/nasfaqg/ traders love profit. They really do. But it's not just the monetary value of it - it's also staying ahead of the curve.
The government of /nasfaqg/ is basically nonexistent. There are no patents and no copyrights.
If you want to keep onto your hard-earned advantage, you paranoidally keep it a secret from every other trader. If someone were to develop a mechanical computer, you can be completely sure that its plans would never exit the trader's room. If someone were to develop a drug from Chuubanite, they'd only take it for themselves. If someone invents a better transportation, he'd rather have it self-destruct than having anyone else learn its secrets.
This is the reason for extreme disparity in technology between the plutocrats. The technology, simply put, doesn't spread /even internally/, much less externally. A person with access to a telegraph is unlikely to have access to the fastest clipper ships.
This also means that /nasfaqg/ traders would never, ever widely use or sell goods or objects that could potentially be reverse engineered.

2.) Fractured Society
/nasfaqg/'s second drawback is its political system. It ensures amazing wealth if you were to add it together, and incredible technology if you were to gather it all up... but it isn't whole. /nasfaqg/ as a society is fragmented, and therefore unable to apply the technology and its benefits to the fullest extent. Formed monopolies, while offering added utility, ultimately jack up the prices for consumers on technology-related products that would normally push out other goods from the market.
As a whole, the overall fracture of society in /nasfaqg/ would hold back most advantages it'd get from higher tech, although individually /nasfaqg/ companies would be able to carve out niches for themselves.

3.) Quality over Quantity
Not necessarily a drawback, but a tenet to drive the point home: /nasfaqg/'s individualism also results in an approach that refuses standardization and mass production. While perhaps a partially refrigerated ship is possible, you can be almost sure that it will never enter mass production and instead serve as a singular behemoth in that company's operations.
While focus on quality over quantity will ultimately result in better i.e. ships or facilities, lack of standardization would again hold back a potentially united /nasfaqg/ fleet from using its strengths to the fullest.

>The Concerns, Addressed

- Wouldn't that be too far ahead?
We're using punk history. I think it still fits, plus remember that the tech level would be extremely uneven. We also really want the aesthetics to be honest.

- What's stopping the tech from being exported?
Paranoid obsession over profit and out-competing your rivals. If you were to share the technology, your advantage would be gone (and this is something that is happening in NASFAQ as a game - people who build bots or develop tools basically never share them).

- Aren't you getting too much/isn't this too far ahead?
The drawbacks I listed, especially 1) and 2) are very real and impossible to write out without changing the entire culture, political system, and societal organization of our thread. I think that the justification for it also makes sense, considering you have one thread settled in 1810's Napoleonic Era and one thread that's in 1850's apparently without significant drawbacks that could be written out... the most significant of them already written out.

I wanted to post it to ask the thread for feedback, but also understand the reason why it's being brought forward - no one wants to be 'backwards', especially when your identity is, ultimately, modern. We've tried again and again to fit into the current thread period, but it just keeps rising. Hopefully with punk history this can be our final aesthetic and tech level discussion for /nasfaqg/.

>>20299459
It's extremely hard to go completely bankrupt unless you deliberately want to run your account into the ground. Value is generated freely contrary to zero-sum game of a regular market.
>>20299689
No one objected and a couple of people supported me so I ran with it. If anyone has problems with me, please bring it up to the thread, I'm open to stepping down if there's a popular demand.
>>20299996
I don't represent the "government", just the thread for meta-reasons as >>20300161 noted. In lore, I represent myself.
>>20300171
Good luck! Quick tip: Never multisell or multibuy in the early game, the associated taxes are insane.

>>20293658
/Morig/ hasn't we've still got like 2-3 deadbeats floating around here

>>20300493
>>20300553
What are your weapons like?

>>20300994
nta but money is the greatest weapon. why have a standing army if you can fund likeminded inside parties to destabilize hostile nations?

>>20300994
Well, you can't really export weapons for profit or employing them en masse without them running a chance of being reverse-engineered... I'd say that it's not a very developed field, ironically. Maybe except for gunpowder or explosives, since you can also use them in mining and clearing land, and they are much harder or impossible to copy and easily disposable.
I'd assume standard early 1800's, with maybe some mercenary-captains being in 1820's-1830's? Like, single elite mercenary companies.

Sorry for the somewhat vague answer. I'd imagine that it would basically vary from plutocrat to plutocrat, but this should be rough eras of them.

>>20301332
Because /nasfaqg/ likely will be unable to collectively be 'hostile' to a country - as listed as Drawback 2. You will find people who find it more profitable to to one side of the conflict and people whose interests would lie in the other side. This lack of coherent foreign policy would be the source of the 'proxy wars', where /nasfaqg/ traders ironically back both sides.

The only reason where I'd imagine collective action could be even considered is either something that hits every single /nasfaqg/ trader (blanket embargo or sanctions) or a defensive war. Otherwise, I think that you'll find that for every trader that considers a nation "hostile" to their interests there will be someone who thinks it's an opportunity to profit.

>>20301585
>as a nasfaq merchant i hate nasfaq merchants the most, they ruined trading!

>>20301676
I think nasfaqg merchants wouldnt exactly hate each other. There would be some level of mutual understanding on it all being "nothing personal, just business".

New thread: >>20301918
Will vote soon

>>20301840
Imagine two merchants chatting over dinner cordially as the mercenary companies they hired in a faraway land are engorged in a brutal battle for survival.

>>20300553
The question here becomes how deep that competitiveness really goes. Say /meat/ came knocking on your shores and slaughtering people left and right, with your only options being to band together to drive them off or let yourself die to protect your secrets. Would all of /nasfaqg/ truly lay down their lives to prevent the technology from being pooled? After all, a dead man doesn't generate much revenue. And then what happens after the invaders are repelled? Now everyone has access to all the advantages. This is obviously an exaggerated scenario, but hopefully it gets my point across. When push comes to shove, what will you choose? Besides, apparently there are already merchants working together like Chronobanks. What stops a slow but sure trend towards small trades between one another for the benefit of both parties? If I have a hammer and you have a nail, don't I make more money when we work together?

>>20302259
Consider, sometimes fucking with others feels pretty good

>>20302259
>Say /meat/ came knocking on your shores and slaughtering people left and right, with your only options being to band together to drive them off or let yourself die to protect your secrets
i got a 3rd option, you leave with your secrets, you can't bring it? you burn it, if you can, you kill off some rivals. as you see the lands on which you are born burns to ground, you are happy, because it means less competition. as long as i am alive, there is money to be made.

>>20302259
For the first point: /nasfaqg/ merchants would be more likely to hire mercenary companies from around the globe or buy off other threads than to share technology. Hogging their advantages ensures that they can make money in the future, making spending money an one-time payment on a long-term investment. If technology were to be shared, you'd have to imagine a genuine apocalypse scenario where no other exit exists. Losses in people and short-term funds are worth it if you can still rise to the top afterwards.

Regarding the second part... you'd think that, right? But the thread's lore reflects what is happening in the game currently. There are only two groups that actually pooled knowledge or resources: the Miyatsuko Group (of which Chronobanks is a part of) and the Haaton-5. There are multiple people with bots, special tools, databases, and strategies, but they never reveal it even though they could potentially get better with feedback. This is reflected in the thread's lore and ultimately the /vtwbg/ nation. So, ironically no small trends are happening.

Also, as I said - no patents. If your knowledge is out in the open, it's free to use, people will improve on it, and ultimately you will lose any advantage you might have had. If there are groups, they are small and rare and shunned upon by the extremely individualist traders who want to make profits using only their own strengths, planning, and resources.

>>20302797
*no small trades in technology are happening

>>20302259
/nasfaq/ may not have a standing army as a country but you can be sure rich individuals have private armies to defend themselves. Which I assume would be fairly average technology-wise (being just mercenaries).