/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

There's a thread for this already.

>>2017789
>potential Anyanners collab if she bothers to ask
I can't tell if this would be an incline or a decline for her

>trusting a SEAnigger

>>2017789
Has Ollie already collabed with everyone in JP, and EN?

If she was professional, she would do talks behind the scenes to get this to happen instead of bringing it up on stream. I don't care if they collab. My complaint would be it's a terrible collab choice since it'll be sex jokes like "Do you have maggots in your vagina" or something like that.

>>2017866
Likely a decline. She isn't Kizuna Ai using Nyanners to boost her waning fame or anything.

>>2017789
And this is why Ollie is the protagonist of Hololive.

She sounds exactly like Mori when she threw her childish tantrum over not being allowed to collab with Critikal and constantly going "d-don't worry your boy will think of something and make it happen somehow" despite already being told no.

>>2018126
The inside word is Mori already has one foot out the door to vshojo. Shes waiting for her Hololive contract to expire.

>>2017789
>this is considered YAB
nice bait faggot

>>2017789
I can already tell that this thread is going to be pure cancer.

Ollie's biggest flaw is her wish to be friends with everyone, regardless of how questionable they are, but there are much worse traits one could have. I don't imagine Cover is going to let her do it though.

>>2018126
No, Mori is a coward who does what she is told despite whining about it. Ollie will actually push the boundaries and has in fact already done so.

>>2018157
Good, can't wait for her to be gone.

>>2018157
>inside word
The voices inside your head maybe.

>>2017789
God I hope this happens. Anytime autists on 4chan get absolutely blown the fuck out is a great time.

>>2018281
I can't fuckin wait

>>2018157
Ah yes, just like Luna was 100% gonna graduate after her first year

>>2018281
This will ruin the girls retard

And this is why they should never hired non Japanese. Indodogs and westerners never follow the rules corporate or otherwise.

>>2018157
can confirm, my girlfriend Gura told me yesterday

>>2018341
Mori will be gone from Hololive by October. Screenshot this post.

>>2017789
based rule breaker

>>2018365
Anon, your oishi has already had sex. How will you cope? Serious question, I want to know your thought process

>>2018365
can't wait forever for the EN girls to interact with literally anyone besides each other

>>2017789
I really hope her tardwrangler will have a talk with her about this

>>2018483
Seems like IDs have more freedoms, it's only the EN girls that get nazi-modded by Enma

Based stacyzombie. Rules are for the weakminded who can only follow the tracks laid out for them. No true innovator or famous person chained themselves up with rules.

>>2018436

>>2018365
If I live with suffering then so must everyone else

>>2018506
>flirting with male content creators on twitter is truly comparable to great feats of explorers, scientists and war-hereos.

>>2018157
Source: trust me bro.

>>2018449
My oshi is pure idiot. I don't watch whores

If Cover allows this I'm watching Niji exclusively.

>>2018625
>Coco was a weak, cowardly shill in the end when it mattered.
>Cocofags seething with reaction gifs.

As long as m*le interaction bullshit doesn't spread to my GFE JP holos I don't care.

>vshojo
There's a 99% chance it's Mouse. Which nobody would be mad about.

>>2018664
NijiEN is most likely to collab with vshoujo than EN with Enma

>>2018678
what the fuck are you talking about lol

>>2018732
sorry idolfag, you're getting cucked by holostars and nijibros fucking your oshi RIGHT NOW

>>2018762
It'd be funny if NijiEN collabing with western indies and small companies leads them to explode in popularity, while HoloEN and future EN generations stagnate.

>>2018625
Obeying retarded 'unspoken rules' is a great way to stagnate and die, especially in an industry as young as this. Ollie not giving a shit gives her a chance to truly be someone notable instead of just another hololive member.

>>2018913
Absolute moron. If she hates rules so much she should graduate. Working for a company actually means being responsible.

>>2018907
On the other hand it'd also make Hololive to open up to collabs with EN indies not to fall behind again

>>2018913
The rules aren't unspoken. She's clearly throwing a tantrum instead of having collabs because she was spoken to about not having those collabs.

>>2018952
You haven't demonstrated what is irresponsible what what she said whatsoever. You're just another butthurt faggot who thinks he should dictate what others say or do.

Graduate this retarded dox zombie.

>>2018745
>Which nobody

YOU UNDERESTIMATE /vt/'s CAPABILITIES FOR TRIBALISM!
We will unga then we will bunga!

>>2018157
Funny thing is I think you're right. Mori does seem delusional enough to think that she could prosper with such a downgrade. Maybe it'd be for the best if she returned to a life of being a literal-who musician, instead of an artificially inflated nobody. At least then, the flow of parasites might slow down a bit and give us a little more time to enjoy this before it crashes and burns

>>2019024
"Throwing a tantrum" by stating her opinion? Aren't you and others throwing a tantrum in this thread?

>>2019057
NO YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS THROWING A TANTRUM YOU FAGGOT

>>2018424
But does she work at Nintendo though?

>>2019057
The difference is that I don't throw tantrums at work.

>>2018913
Yes, doing what e-thot 100viewer vtubers already does is improving the vtuber space.

>>2018088
Ollie will piss on Nyanners on stream.

>>2019057
Aa a responsible employee such public expression of opinion that can negatively affect image of the company should never been made. She is an idiot.

>>2018088
Lmao, ollie think she will got like usual interacting with other but when she collab with any of them she will get mocked mostly

>>2019057
I am not working for Cover you moron

>>2019049
>>2019051
>>2018952
>>2019024
Have you considered: taking medication

>>2017789
Based zombie.

>>2018126
So glad there was never a critikal collab. Guy's a total faggot.

Would be fine if it was anyone but vshoujo cunts. I don't even care about how they are whores and do the sex jokes, they're just despicable scam artist hypocrites. Melody and the girl with the immune disease or whatever seem like the only good ones

>>2019118
(You)

>>2017789
Do you think they will apply more strict rules to id branch because of this? They think they might they have give too much freedom on id branch and ollie start being too rash

>>2019076
Being an entertainer is different from some minimum wage job, nobody cares about your opinions when they want you to take their order or put new stock on the shelves. You antis are utterly braindead, more than any zombie.

>>2019146
>anti
lmao you pathetic little bitch ass newnigger.

>>2019146
>antis
meds faggot

>>2019118
I already medicate myself with plenty of Vodka and Benadryl every day

>>2017789
What went wrong with ollie?

>>2019195
She doesn't know boundaries. Unironic autism.

>>2018399
They shouldve hired more westerners trying to be japs like Kiara. They know the rules

>>2019146
>Being an entertainer is different
Nope. She's an entertainer that is contractually bound to an agency that has rules. If she doesn't like those rules she should discuss them internally in a professional manner, or she should go indie. She wants to have her cake and eat it too. She doesn't want to be bound by the rules that grew Cover to the size it is, but she wants to benefit from being partnered with Cover.

>>2019146
>Being an entertainer is different from some minimum wage job
Certain special interest groups are trying to change this. In the future you will own nothing, not even your own image or art.

>I want to be friends with them!
oh sweet little dumb kid, they would never even talk to you if you weren't in Hololive with your numbers

>>2019283
Anon, how old are you? That's not a new thing. Artists, whether that's musicians, actors, whatever, have been whining for decades about signing away their work. Like them, Ollie literally does not own her image. Cover does. If she goes indie she can't be Ollie anymore.

>>2019308
doesn't this apply to all big streamers

>>2019195
She's a rebellious teenager

>>2019195
>>2019370
>>2019308
As they said. Her biggest problem is that she's a kid that got thrown into the rabbit hole not even knowing which way was up

>>2017789
Ollie is too nice. It makes her not have standards

>>2019333
This whole thing reveals how schizo this board really is. Haachama can't put out beheading videos due to Youtube policies? Corporations are stifling creativity and free expression! Ollie indirectly gives mild criticism about vtuber restrictions? Muh corporate branding, fire her immediately for doing what entertainers do! I really hate these stupid faggots.

>>2017789
not only is every girl in vshojo a whore but some of them are even outspoken about their political beliefs. I wish ollie would just fuck off with this already. It's everything people have wanted hololive not to be.

>>2018498
>Enma blocks vshitjo collabs
Complete 180. ENMA LOVE. ENMA BASED

>>2019503
indies are that way, goodbye

>>2019523
And Coco collabs, and a million other things.

ID managers block vshoujo too they just don't go overboard like this nazi bitch

>>2018506
you type like a zhang zhuolong

>>2018088
>"Do you have maggots in your vagina"
Fuck you for making me remember that story

>>2019537
Or, Ollie will keep saying what she wants and bitches like you will have to put up with it? That seems more likely.

ENMA LOVE

>>2017789
I'm actually kinda interested on what will be the results if the collab happens.

Ollie specifically said Hime Hajime which I dont like. As long as these vshoujo don't do those cringe lewd jokes during collab, I am fine with it happening.

>>2018043
Not gura

You keep calling Vshojo girls whores while Mel and Choco are much bigger whores and sucked more cocks than the entire Vshojo group

>>2019595
>Ollie specifically said Hime Hajime which I dont like
Ollie wants that Gigguk clout

>>2019569
you are literally bitching in the post that guy responded to you dumb fucking drone.

>>2019503
I understand what you are saying, but I also don't agree those are the same things. Haachama was pushing boundaries that wouldn't necessarily affect brand image. People are generally okay with horror content, it doesn't negatively impact perception like lewd content does. To elaborate on that, consider an actor starring in a horror movie versus them starring in porn. The former wouldn't impact perception, the latter would. Obviously, Ollie isn't doing porn here, but she wants to interact with people that do, which is getting pretty close to that taboo that will hurt brand image.

>>2018745
>Mouse and Ollie
That would be pure fucking chaos. I'm game.

>>2019616
They're schizos anon, don't expect consistency. They have their favorite Holowhores and even wish Coco was edgier, but bring up something they don't like and they go apeshit.

>>2019616
Keep dreaming vshojo shill. Nobody in hololive is even close to how bad vshojo is. Sorr that your cuck fantasies aren't reality.

Who else actually unsubbed from her?

>>2019623
You are literally a faggot anon, keep whining pathetically though.

>>2019595
Yeah but at least they leave it in the past and don't still do it as a vtuber

>>2019616
delusional. Mel and Choco don't bring up sex in every stream faggot

>>2019616
Mel is one of the sweetest girls. Vtrash wish they would have something like her

>>2019616
Not true but even if it was at least they leave it in the past as roommate and don't still do it as a vtuber

>>2019503
The only people we should of Gatekept are the people that you talk about in your post. They are worse then anything.

>>2019634
Haachama literally had hentai on her stream multiple times anon and nobody here cared or outright approved of it, admit this is just double standards.

>>2019616
I refuse to believe Choco isn't a sexually frustrated, virgin, christmas cake who makes up for her lack of experience by pretending to be a whore. Who cares about Mel anyways?

>>2019676
Was never subbed in the first place. I respect Iofi and Risu though. They know their boundaries.

>>2019698
>every stream
Neither does VShojo. Stop watching clips, you cant even use the EOP excuse.

>>2019729
And haatons shit on her for it and told her to stop

>>2017789
Hiring a mega zoomer was a mistake.

>>2019725
What do you mean leave it in their past? Most of them still do it! you guys are delusional are burying your head in the sand. Which would be fine if you weren't hypocrites too

>>2019762
No one cares about your whores retard

>>2019729
Are you membered to Haachama? Her fans told her it was too yab and to avoid doing it again

>>2019676
Got filtered by her earbleed screeching at debut but if I'd hadn't I would have

>>2018449
>oishi
every time

>>2019729
Because it was a quirk of hers, it was done to supplement her content and not the focus of her content. Even the horror stuff is not only on brand but beautifully done. The vshoujo sluts are literally only toilet humour degeneracy, that's all they have going for them, that's it.

Ollie is nice and wants to collab with whoever.

If she doesn't shut up she'll soon learn the difference between being part of a company and a shitty indie. Know your place

>>2019789
The only holo roomate who does sex stuff is Noel with her asmr. And even then it manages to be more wholesome than what vtrash produce daily.

Hachama has been dethroned. Ollie is now the strongest idol. It is time for Indo supremacy

>>2017789
Wonder if they'd let it fly as long as melody isn't involved in any way, ID pretty much gets to do whatever they want as it is

>>2019789
>Comparing risky asmr to literal chaturbate streams
Kill yourself

Ironmouse collab would be great

imagine being so irrelevant that you have to leech off of hololive and destroy everything that is good about it. fuck vshojo.

>>2017789
Ollie is doing this shit to tank her subs so she doesn't have to introduce Ellie (the byproduct of her schizophrenia).

>>2019595
>VShojo
>not doing cringe sex jokes
Anon, their whole gimmick is being openly horny and anti-seiso. Their biggest chuuba in the group got her start by making camwhores seethe by mogging them with her numbers and still does it to this day.

>>2017789
I really hate this bitch, hopefully she gets cancelled for saying some stupid loli shit that americans hate.

>>2019937
>Ollie collabs with Ironmouse
>"btw have you seen that fannart of you and Mori senpai? very funny right?"
>Ollie indog laugh
Yes pls

>>2019969
you have to be over 18 to post here

>>2019901
>Both streams are designed to Milk Coomer gachikois
What's the difference?

>>2017789
desu if it happens it will be fun

>>2019992
Dignity

>>2019992
>What's the difference between coy flirting and a woman pulling her pants down and spreading her pussy in front of you
Anon...You have the coombrain

>>2020009
>Doing Sexual ASMR to make dudes jerk off is dignity.
Peak Delusion

>>2019676
me. e-thots only learn when they lose numbers

>>2017789
Why doesn't she just join vshojo?

And people say Cover's hiring process is bullet proof.

>>2020009
absolute state of brand loyalists

>>2020028
Yes. Speaking softly and doing heartbeat asmr is more dignified than having a bluetooth vibrater connected to coomer money and jerking off on stream vshitjo faggot

>>2020028
>Flirty whispering is exactly equivalent to having a vibrator connected to your PC so it activates whenever someone sends a superchat
Explain your logic to me here.

>>2020096
>he hasn't seen Noel's roommate shit

>>2020096
>He lacks the information.

>>2019992
ask me how I know you failed your logic class

>>2015189
You know the point of anti posting is to actually gain recruits to your warps causes right? Think of repeating the same thread every hour every day etc. etc. as introducing something to someone they don't like like /b/ tards with gore pictures, eventually the general populace you're trying to "offend" gets desensitized to your shit.

All they do is cringe,flirty, penis, sex jokes all the time and Zen gets hard carried by her (his?) community with constant jokes and roasts via donations. Lets be real now.

>>2020114
>>2020122
Have the holo girls do those yab shit under the hololive brand? No, so shut the fuck up.

I've seen Noel's nipples and Coco's pasu can't say the same of any other Vtuber.

>>2017789
>https://twitter.com/EngVTubersOOC/status/1376674959808987138?s=20
Based CAPSLOCK zombie

>>2017789
seething nyanner anti

>>2020114
Not him, but I haven't. It's just titty streaming right? Or, is there actually something worth watching? It's always seemed like a bit too much hassle for some tits and asmr

>>2020149
How does that make it ok you fucking hypocrite? cover shills are going crazy tonight.

>>2018365
So?

>>2020149
There isn't a single person on this planet that doesn't know Noel's roommate.

>>2017789
I would be ok with this so long as it isn't Nyanners.

>>2020186
paizuri simulator

>>2020228
And what's wrong with nyanners?

>Oh God I hope Ollie doesn't ruin hololive collabing with those whore
>But roommates are whores too for doing (insert risky cosplay/asmr) outside of the hololive brand
>Comparing official porn to random roommate shit usually years in the past
Cancer thread. This is why we don't interact with vshoujo coomers and want them gatekept from hololive

>>2020149
Stop trying to explain nuance to room temperature iq vshartjo shills.

>>2020228
My man!
Finally someone that gets it.

>>2020266
Noel rubbed a mic on her tits 3 years ago therefore she is the same as Projeck Melody who regularly has full on pornographic chaturbates

>>2020146
His, yes.

>>2020260
Thinks loli hentai is equivalent to real child abuse and condemns it while building her entire brand off of portraying a sexualized loli character who everyone thinks is a loli except her. It would be absurd for Hololive to collab with her when so many Hololive members are lolicons.

>>2020260
TLDR traded appealing to shitposters to appealing to tumblr trannies

>>2020186
A lot of holos are hoes including her but nothing to compare to Melody

>>2020146
Zen is a fucking SJW

>>2019503
Everyone here likes to kiss yagoo's cock

>>2020266
They're appealing to the same audience. and using their body for money and to get fans how is that different?

>>2020291
She is collabing with lolicon AI fine tho, she is willing to ignore the lolicon shit if it means numbers

>>2020291
>loli hentai is equivalent to real child abuse
Not equivalent, but it's no less degenerate. Those who look at such things eventually wander off into the real thing. There's nothing sexually attractive about children (fiction or otherwise), and if you think there is, you need to be chemically castrated.

>>2020266
cucks want to infect anything that is even remotely pure. It's just how they are. They want others to be in the filth with them. Notice how they only ever try to convince you holos are whores rather than vshojo are pure. it's slave morality.

Can someone please post those Zentreya tweets
I think most anons aren't even aware about the hornets nest that Ollie is about to poke

>>2020353
That's because Nyanners is a hypocrite, yes. It doesn't mean Hololive should accept her.

>>2020360
>Those who look at such things eventually wander off into the real thing.
[citation needed]

>>2020146
Ollie like that kind of interactions thats why she makes statement to defend vshojo, who knows if ollie already sent sex jokes donations using her alt

>>2020266
Yeah we need to protect are pure Hololive tallents that would never do whore things like talk about Boys Love, make moaning and JOI noises or having alts on NND where they strip down for men in mask :^ )

>>2020327
I forgot about that shit.

>>2020343
This, things are the same if you ignore the differences
holocucks cope

>>2017789
I gave Ollie a pass for a lot of shit but this and her members stream shows the ID managers have no control over the yab machine. I've emailed Cover about the various benefits of collabing with pornstars/ cheaters/scammers/ group that is VShojo.

>>2020362
They want to infect them because they rely on convincing you the path to happiness is being a pornography addicted coombrain. They want to drag you down because they've given up all hope on rising above and becoming the Uberman.

Never settle. No whores in Hololive

>>2020373
Its too late for regret, zoomer

>>2020383
Im glad i left the hololive fandom when there are literally people this delusional in it. Coco makes the same type of dirty jokes not mention she literally said she a ex before she joined hololive. How is that any any different from Vshoujo?

>>2018664
I guess it’s exclusively VOMS or something for you, faggot

Never before have I been so grateful for Enma's iron grip.

>>2020397
>no whores in hololive
So who does that leave, sora?

>>2020413
It's not, i'm not even sure if most current Hololive fans are actually "fans" or just EN tourist or Niji anti's waiting for the next chip in the armor at this point.

>>2020413
Oh let's see>>2020392

>>2017789
More of this?

>>2020434
A-chan

I really don't think everyone else in hololive is going to follow her on that, they seem content with sticking within their circle. But Ollie should be free to collab with whoever, she's shown to be very collab happy since the beginning and it makes sense she wants to expand.

>>2018664
Ah yes Niji where the member can openly date eachother and completely ignore there fanbase's please to stay "pure" just for them, Kuzuha and Rindou must be so proud to find a fandom of gullible idiots

>>2018157
well met rrat

"Literally camming with a virtual avatar" being equated to the boomer pirate's lewd jokes is the most hilarious shit I've ever seen. Not that I have anything against Melody but the level of degeneracy between Melody and Marine are obviously on a different scale. Hell. Even if Marine starts drawing lewd art and posts it under her name, it's no-where close to camming.

Anyway. I say let Ollie collab with them. I look forward to whatever trainwreck that comes out of it and will inevitably bar any future collaborations.

>>2020445
Ah no argument then?

>>2018449
I will sue the company for contaminated prawn crackers.

Shit, nyanners collabing with Kizuna Ai isn't even that big of a deal simply because Kizuna, aside being an OG, isn't really after any particular image to maintain as the community supporting the OGs aren't the same ones fapping to new gen Vtubers.

>>2020525
You fucking dumbass. Are you clueless of their past? And no I don't just mean being whores.

everyone shut the fuck up.
zoombie's gonna be streaming in 20 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9RESuMVaX8

>>2020569
>More APEX
Zoombie if you're that hungry for numbers, do something people want to watch.

>>2020561
Are you aware of Mori and Kiara's past?

>>2020424
it's always the id. God must have been drunk when he made the SEA Countries.

Wait didn't Zen form a massive YouTuber group on twitch only to never really support them and then abandon them? I do remember one guy getting pissed and subtweeting likely about zen lying to (her?) entire fan base. I can't remember his name but he had a dragon model with scales like zen does now.

why are you all retarded

>Connor mod in chat
At least be subtle about your relationship

>>2020588
Yeah and it doesn't compare to vshojo. Not by a goddamn mile.

>>2020627
You obviously don't know it then man.

>>2020609
My understanding the people that got into hololive before EN wanted to get away from western bullshit ideas, entertainment, politics, freaks on Twitter and tumblr, etc. But somehow it just finding its way in to their hobby.

I spent way too long on this just for a joke.

>>2020588
>using the people that are known the most because it's easier for EOPs
Stick to Miko, Noelle or Marine you retard

>>2018449
you faggots are the worst just go watch a streamer who eats hot chips and texts while occasionally shaking her tits I’d you want that but keep that shit outta here, they can do whatever they want just shut the fuck up about it

>>2020667
Why do all you faggots gotta bring up roommate shit? If that's what you have to go to to justify your crap? Fuck off.

Ollie is a nice girl that doesn't realize how shitty the "content creator/influencer" community really is. 95% of these people are conniving snakes searching for clout and more exposure. Maybe she should talk to these people off stream and feel them out first before giving them attention publicly.

>>2018182
It's the layup for the future yab slam dunk.

>>2020687
people got into hololive because miko said nigger, not whatever fucking culture war bullshit you're talking about

>>2020519

>>2020588
>Mori says N word.
>Kiara did cosplay and boudoir sets on patreon.

Soooo comparable to the vshoujo trash lol.

>>2020687
>It's gamergate all over again
Just graduate Ollie and be done with it

>>2020710
She needs to be hurt,

>>2020519
that just makes Marine a pathetic wannabe-slut

>>2020413
It's not about dirty jokes, it's about dragging western politics into vtubing which some girls of vshojo are trying to do

>half of the hololive girls have made loli and straight shota jokes, even had a whole dedicated straight shota stream including fucking Korone
>Coco makes buttplug jokes on the frequent
>hololive does nothing to stop the flood of porn of the girls, which a good number seem to approve of
>"BUT IT'S THE VSHOJO GIRLS WHO ARE DEGENERATE WHORES"

If you want a pure, nonsexual waifu, go watch that one Christian vtuber. Sister Abigail or whoever. Or better yet go watch anime and fap to your innocent, moeblob waifus there, you puritanical loser.

>>2018088
>she would do talks behind the scenes to get this to happen instead of bringing it up on stream
Shut up Calli, go beg Atlus onstream instead

>>2020738
they literally just banned dark jokes last week anon

>>2020687
This. I just want to enjoy cute anime girls in peace, holy fuck. Hell, not even just girls, Chaika is one of my favorites since he's fucking hilarious but you know if the western vtuber scene had their way he'd be on the chopping block for being an offensive caricature.

>>2020447
Unironically yes, we need more stars kino

>>2020710
Especially the western side of things. Indies at least. They act all nice up front and then tweets but behind the the screen there's some backstabbing people. Honestly Ollie is very sweet. She's not a kid. But I do believe she's just ignorant of some of these people.

>>2020720
I mean, it's comparable to 6 out of 7

>>2020720
Blatant hypocrisy isn't helping your case chief

>>2017789
I thought she was going to do a collab with Uto first

>>2020738
>>2020735

>>2020735
Do you have any examples on hand you'd like to show?

>>2019050
Haachama's stupid bimbo personality makes my dick harder than diamonds.

>>2017789
who cares? not me, that's for sure.

>>2020738
You don't get it man, the Hololive girls are honest. They're not like Nyanners who condemns loli while promoting it at the same time for money.

>>2020735
Politics was dragged into this shit. when you guys sperg out about chinks constantly even when people mildly criticize someone

>>2020796
ok zhang

>>2020796
sperging out about chinks isn't politics though

>>2020782
https://twitter.com/Thinkpandora935/status/1346962266923671553
she deleted the original tweets but the discussion is still up

>>2020782
Zentreya sperged out about boomers breaking into the Capitol being "insurrection" and made a few posts about orange man bad.

>>2020794
im not defending nyanners. Ah yes its so honest exploiting the loneliness of men to get billions of dollars in superchat and member money

Some people seem to think Ollie is irrational. She completely stopped using the word pog the moment gootecks was deemed controversial in social media.

>>2019634
>consider an actor starring in a horror movie versus them starring in porn. The former wouldn't impact perception, the latter would. Obviously, Ollie isn't doing porn here, but she wants to interact with people that do
More like interact with people who are friends with people that do. Your metaphor needs a little tweaking. It’s like acting in a movie with a co-star who did horror wouldn’t hurt your brand like acting in a movie where your co-star did porn would. That just shows how strong a taboo lewd stuff is. Even as far removed as it is, it still has power

This thread is worse than anything on /r9k/ atm congratulations retards

>>2020869
This is true!

>>2019087
Burman mindset

>>2020796
>"I know I'm not allowed to but I can't stay silent about this [...]"
>politics was dragged into this shit
sasuga

So if I have this right, using a vibrator crosses the line but rubbing lotion on your tits and telling guys to cum while you make blowjob noises on your alt account (to this day I might add) is fine?

>ina has been completely banned from saying lewd jokes
>gura was literally forced to be kid friendly
>thinking management will even allow vshoujo near any holo
Keep dreaming ollie

>>2020894
I didn't read this post but yes.

>>2019078
You do realize all of them have thousands of viewers, right? I don't even watch them but I've seen nyanners recommended at 8k

>>2018157
Ah yes, sure sure, that must be why they included her right from the get-go in their newest project, that thing that we don't know if is an anime or game.

Or why she is still working hard making exclusive music for them.

Yep, she is donezo.

>>2020862
SJWs are sometimes based

>>2020712
I got into hololive after the multiple Kizuna Ai shit so I followed youtube recommending my yakuza vids from coco because I too watch and love yakuza. I had already given up on western entertainment long before any of this. Ironically I saw that clip moments before it went viral laughed and didn't think anything of it afterwards. A mix of memes and translated clips is what made her whole life famous worldwide not just Miko saying the n word.

>>2020909
>gura was literally forced to be kid friendly
Ah I see you're not a member or you haven't watched her recent public streams

>>2020894
Unironically yes

Vshartjo shills glow in the dark. You aren't fooling anybody.

>>2020894
To the general public, melody is melody and the avatar itself is a pornstar, holos are holos and the person themselves have nothing to do with the avatars. Post any picture of noel's roommate and see the amount of newfag replies you get, this is not common knowledge, melody being a camwhore is in her description

>>2020909
>Ina is still making inuendos
>Mori is still making inuendos
>Ame is still making shit inuendos
>Gura literally can't stop talking about her feet and toes
>Kiara

It's not like all of vshojo is just Melody and Nyanners - she could very well do a collab with Ironmouse or Hime, both of which fit hololive just as well as zoombie does.

>>2020146
>All they do is cringe,flirty, penis, sex jokes all the time
So does half of hololive, doubly so if you only watch clips.
You global spergs will jump at any chance for tribalism

>>2020950
This. Anyone pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

>>2020894
Nobody sane is saying that, you're and the idiots like you are ecentially saying that the hololive girls will poop on your chest and that is fine it's just poop BUT FUCK THOSE NASTY ASS VSHOJO GIRLS WHO WILL POOP, PISS, CUM AND BLEED on your chest !

You are ignoring that fact that the hologirls are not perfect angels and going "b-but those other girls do WORSE" when in the end the thing both are doing is bad just at different levels which in the end doesn't win you morality points when both are still doing amoral shit.

>>2021000
>sex is amoral
American detected

>>2020987
>half of hololive
Name 3 aside from marine matsuri or mel

>"I've gotten close to zentreya"

>>2021016
>>2021000
amoral doesn't even mean evil you ESLs

>>2020987
no holo makes that the entirety of their fucking content though, theyre more than just lewd jokes

>>2021000
It's almost as if people had a limit of how much bullshit they can handle before it's too much

>>2021060
nice jpeg for ants, retard

>>2021053
he doesn't understand a single word of japanese. hell he probably has never watched a full stream.

>>2021060
nice thumbnail bro ill bring it to the queen ant for inspection

>>2018126
>not being allowed to collab with Critikal
I genuinely don't understand how that's worse than her collab with Trash Taste. Those faggots are 5 billion times worse. I'd rather she collab with none of them regardless, but it doesn't make sense to me.

>>2018907
This is pure fantasy. EN gen 2 will debut to even greater popularity than the first gen. Nijisanji is much less popular overseas than Hololive was before EN, they won't pull nearly as much as Holo did because of that, as well as EN gen 1 already occupying a significant part of the EN vtuber market as it is.

>>2020691
I appreciate your effort, anon.

>>2020950
This, basically.
And anyway. I'm against the whole vshojo thing less about "lol they're whores" and more my disdain for two-faced cunts like Nyanners and people that watch and stream on Twitch.

>>2021060
that jpeg is bigger than your dick smooth brain

>>2020390
>things are the same if you ignore the differences

>DUDE, SEX, LMAO
Vshitsho is trashy, for a trashy audience. Do not get that shit near my wholesome idol group.

>>2021113
Critikal literally put out a public request for his fellow streamers to make chocolate casts of their asshole and send them to him so he could eat them.

>>2021113
Because Critical has 8 MILLION subs vs trash taste and their personalities having a combined like 3
Critical regularily gets 1.5million views per episode and 15k concurrent viewers, hes way bigger than anyone in Hololive
I dont really care if she collabs with him though honestly

>>2017789
hahahaha!! if this happens expect soon zombie hate threads
>and I want to break those rules"
arrogant, this will kill her growth

>>2020837
>>2020840
>>2021060
so someone got scared of an event the media intentionally blew up to seem akin to 9/11, tweeted (didn't even mention on stream) and she deleted it later when she realized she overreacted???????

WOW SO POLITICAL, SO OUTSPOKEN, SHE'S DANGEROUS!!!!

YOU stop inserting politics or go back to pol trumpfags

>>2021000
none of them, Hololive or Vshojo, has even done anything bad except whoever the cheater people keep bringing up is

All this thread is telling me is that /vt/ is stock-full of corporate bootlickers. And seething weaboos. And genuine autists.

>>2017789
Holy shit man

Why these stupid whores?

>>2021113
I have no idea what Trash Taste is like but at some point Cr1tikal's primary content went from being "hey guys I'm playing this horror game while being deadpan and talking about nipples" to "here's this drama about some guy you've never heard of and why he's a douchebag". He went from vaguely entertaining to completely intolerable.

>>2021116
The people here legitimately hate hololive and are stuck in a fever dream where hololive is just one step away from being overtaken by niji or vshojo or whatever the fuck they think. These people actually think someone can overtake gura.

>>2021061
>assumes the person is ESL because they are not American

You do realize the British conquered most of the earth right?

What an American thing to say.

>>2021161
/hlgg/ has always been a massive reddit colony since day one and they make up a majority of this board. It's no surprise they're Cover dicksuckers who worship the managers.

>>2021160
Wait, Ollie did 9/11?

>>2021060
Is the Vtubing medium saturated with liberal faggots like this? Seriously? Are there any based Holo’s? Cause it’s such a shame that the En branch is filled with liberal faggots.

>>2021211
I'm going to be honest I don't even know how to respond to that.

>>2021161
>>2021218
Vshojo is a company

I wish some Indonesian would kill this bitch already

>>2021140
>wholesome
>had a straight shota stream

>>2021207
Sounds like /vyt/ on /jp/ constantly having fever dreams of Hololive burning down due to some insignificant incident.

>>2021161
>>2021160
Great. You can go back to the hive of cancer where you originally came from. Because you damn sure ain't from this site.

>>2021218
reddit loves vshojo and they want them to collab with hololive. cope.

>>2020894
Yes. Because it's ignorable roommate shit. Why is that so hard for you vshoujo faggots to understand?

>>2019308
Source: Your delusions.

>>2021223
>Muslim
>Is dead

Hnmmm...

>>2021228
Just a rrat but it's said Pekora was part of that ultra conservative party in japan.

>>2021000
only prudes and puritans consider anything sexual "degenerate" or immoral

>>2018226
>Ollie will actually push the boundaries
no, she was just overlooked, now all the schizos will have their eyes on her, good luck defendig every little thing she does like KFP, expect zombie meltodowns in the future

>>2021298
Nippon Kaigi and she joked about it during her nnd days.

>>2021242
Which only handles the merch sales of the girls. The girls own all of their model IPs, can stream anything they want without company reppercussions and collab with whoever they want.
Cover Corp is an authoritarian shithole in comparisson.

>>2021242
Im not defending them. just pointing out your a hypocrite.

>>2021303
She already had a minor breakdown on her members only.

>>2021303
>>2020588
>Ollie anti thread
>it's actually a Kiara anti thread
S-sugoi

>>2021113
The Critikal of today is bears little resemblance to what he was in years past; he's more of a drama streamer than a general entertainer. The only time recently that old Critikal came out was during chess, bizarrely.

>>2021286
Zen literally dumped dozens of nobody vtubers to form a new group with more well known vtubers and then joined a company.

>>2021256
redditors also love hololive, or are you not aware of Coco's reddit meme reviews?

>>2018449
>oishi
o i s h i
get out tourist

>>2021299
Okay so by that logic Vshojo is cleared of any wrong doing especially Melody /thread guys

>>2020149
Your standard of taste seems to based on a desire to be right more so than any actual opinion.
Or perhaps...?
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>2018157
Having the freedom to be your old self without having to split profits is tantalizing. But the sheer betrayal would give rise to so many antis.

>>2021228
Reddit has long overrun this medium, and all of that is what reddit is.

>>2021349
Reddit are clip watchers that just make the same meme over and over again because they don't watch the streams. I hardly consider them real fans.

>>2020909
is any of this even close to confirmed or is this board entirely just endless rrats?

>>2021228
if the future liberals want is anime waifus, how is that bad

>>2021228
There is no "vtubing community". Vtubers from jp or ID have nothing in common with western run company vtubers.

>>2018157

>>2021315
Pekora is an imperial japanese soldier reincarnated into a NEET big tits comedian, she's into enslaving and murdering SEAfags and westerners and other japanese as well.

I'll never understand the appeal of VShojo or any of the twitch vtuber culture, but as long as it's a one time thing it's whatever

>>2021370
>having to split profits
>make 10000 times the amount she was making previously
>but at least I don't give a small share of my money to a company!
Graduation posters keep being the most retarded group

Ollie is oldschool Coco, she will make make everyone kneel to her.

>>2020748
You are mistaken it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1CfXB_kRs3C-zaeTG3oGyg/videos

>>2021342
This board is actually a Kiara anti board.

>>2021349
Everyone on this board is a bunch of self hating EOP Redditors. Look at how they watch meme review every week even though it has never been good.

>>2021420
>one time thing
Hah, as if she would only do one collab.

>>2021354
Melody never did anything wrong, and no, masturbating on cam isn't a grave sin you prude.

>>2021391
Anon this is schizo country, never expect less than delusional holotards and people baiting easy (Yous)

>>2021429
Ollie doesn't have the grit, the brains, or emotional support that Coco has.

>>2021387
And yet they are fans of Vshojo and not just some clip watchers? Your favoritism is showing here

>>2018365
I won't argue that any collab happening will be very awkward and cringe but
>This will ruin the girls
First time out of /jp/?

>>2021465
Onegai anon, let me imagine for a moment

>>2021472
I'm not going argue wether it's moral, but what she's doing is perceived as wrong in the general public's eyes, and a corporation will obviously want to keep her away since they don't want her image associatted in any way with them

>>2021493
Nigger they don't watch streams because they literally have zero clue wtf is goin on unless someone spoon feeds them. Stop being obtuse.

>>2017789
This all boils down to the fact that people are fine with what ever the Japanese do. The Japanese can be as crass as the next guy, as long as they are Japanese while doing it. By proxy the EN and ID girls are "Japanese" seeing as they made the cut to get into Hololive. Everyone outside this circle is hated by the core fans of Japanese culture.The people ok with it are the normies who come from western based entertainment.

>>2021521
>>2021472
If people are going to be mad about Melody, then they better not learn about what Noel and Mel (Yozora) do on their roommate accounts.
There are legitimate reasons to be against Vshojo, but being lewd on cam isn't one of them.

>>2020710
She need to learn, let her be mind break

>>2021161
You know that this talentless bitch has 500k subs because she is in hololive, right? You know that if she were streaming on jewtube for 25 indogs, not a single vburger would like to collab with her, right?

>using prude as an insult
Hi twitter

>>2021521
And this is why we need people that push boundaries, to tell those public and corporate fucks that they are nonsensical cretins.

>>2021160
>Vtuber get's political
>call it out
>"anon YOU are dragging politics into it"
imagine being this delusional

>>2021537
I'm not sure about that, people were throwing a shit fit because Polka likes Froot.

>>2021472
>Prude
I have no idea why you keep resorting to that, you're going to have to try harder than that

>>2021458
i kneeled to this bitch back in 2020 kill yourself shojoshitter

>>2018281
Why do you guys hate each other so much? Seems like you're more obsessed with what gets posted on this board than the actual streamers you're supposed to be watching.

>>2021553
Do you defend onlyfans too? This is the equivalent of it

>>2021548
If she didn't have any talents Cover would never accept her. They get loads of applications from indieas, so being picked to join them isn't an easy feat.

>>2021553
you are no different than the sjws that make everything political

>>2021207
Yep, I mean I think it's possible for someone from EN gen 2 to overtake Gura, it'd be difficult but I think it's possible. Outside of Hololive, though, definitely not. Anyway, ultimately the opinions of these people doesn't matter since they're confined here and have no power. They can only watch.

>>2021576
I have no idea why you resort to calling sexual acts bad, so you'll have to look for better material as well.

>>2021472
>>2021542
>>2021521

Some of the holo's still got their side gig going where they show their breasts. Melody by comparison is nothing given that is only an avatar and not actually showing skin.

This place is filled with prudes.

What I'm surprised no one is talking about is the fact that Ollie is basically stating she would rather be in vshojo and play with the trash taste group
This isn't a case of graduating, this is more of a case of hololive not being as enticing

From a financial standpoint, most of the hololive girls make a lot less money than vshojo because of covers insane cut, Japan's tax bracket and YouTubes cut

If everyone you want to play with is in vshojo, you would make more money in vshojo, you get to do international concerts with kizuna ai in vshojo..

Guys I think the hololive bubble might be bursting

>>2021603
None of these people actually watch vtubers.

>>2021629
SJWs are retarded when they see race, gender or whatever in things that aren't related to in and then go on a meaningles crusageto destroy it. This corporate bullshit is not an irrelevant thing however, so they can rag on Hololive all they want.

>>2021427
ogey

>>2021521
Melody made more money last month than any of the hololive girls without doing cam whoring, due to all the fees for working with covercorp

It's either the VShojo pill or Nijisanji pill. You guys have to choose what's best for Hololive's relations.

>>2021680
Well, no wonder we have so much crossover with /v/

>>2021656
>filled with prudes.
I don't think anyone cares that Melody schlicks on cam with her avatar. I still like Noel even if her roommate does JOI stuff. The point is that business wise, it can be really bad for Cover's talents. All these youtubers she's talking to only care that the 500K+ subs and Hololive is in her name.

Also, I'd rather be a prude than a whore any day.

>>2021691
That's based, you gotta destroy everyone you hate. Is the only way.

>>2021679
Is this the famous shojofag delusions i keep hearing about? holy fuck

>>2021747
Or just use her as a stepping stone to get to EN talents.

>>2021656
Noel is not her roommate, she will never be associated to it in the eyes of most people, this site is not the norm. Melody will always be a camwhore in everyone's eyes, but her roommate will not be associated to her avatar's actions at least

>>2021603
>Implying anyone posting in this thread even watches Ollie.

If you fuck actually liked Vtubers you'd be watching one. Nah you fucks are just in love with tabloid level e-celebrity drama.

>>2021713
Seeing how Hololive girls only seeing 40% of their earned profits, is that really an accomplishment?

>>2017789
I CAN BREAK THESE CUFFS

>>2021751
Convert
Ignore
Destroy
These are the only options.

>>2021713
Show me the numbers, you should have them to make this claim right?

>>2021776
this shit is exactly why we arent watching her

>>2021738
>>2021603
>>2021303
>avatarfagging

>>2021721
Like I posted here >>2021679, there's no real incentive for joining hololive, even indies like ame's sister are getting huge stacks of cash without having to pay covercorp fees for their 10 managers that micromanage the girls and force them to only do 1 hour collabs

>>2021747
It's ok buddy, you can go masturbate without worry, God isn't actually watching like your mommy said.

>>2021679
In that case only NA and ID will be leaving, which is good news.

>>2020360
>you need to be chemically castrated.
you are totally lost, where do you think you are? go back to tumblr with your kind

>>2021773
That's the idea. Has Mori once talked about Trash Taste guys after the collab? Maybe EnMa is stopping them from contacting one another or maybe Mori saw what the intent was and ghosted them afterwards.

>>2021768
No, literally Melody made more money last month than any of the hololive girls, I've been telling you fags for months that hololive isn't actually the most lucrative option

>>2021747
>All these youtubers she's talking to only care that the 500K+ subs and Hololive is in her name.
Proof? Maybe they just want to be friends. Vtubing is a community, not a competition. All the leech shit people talk about here is just paranoia and no one else cares if 2 vtubers interact with each other.

>>2021815
Ogay. Keep on tipping that fedora, friend.

>>2021776
I watch her, but I couldn't agree more. I stopped browsing here so much once I tried to watch a girl, and couldn't stop thinking about all the rrats, and which ones were true or not, and trying to psycho-analyze all her behaviors just to get an answer, only to realize there was none. It really is better to just watch the cute anime streamers live in blissful ignorance.

>>2021679
>Ollie is basically stating she would rather be in vshojo and play with the trash taste group
Except she didn't you delusional idiot, all she's stated is that she wants to be friends with those people before collabing with them not that she would want to be a part of any group

>>2021721
>nijisanji
they're doing worse than hololive at this point and one of their most notable members lolgraduated out of random

>>2021831
It's the managers, they autistically monitor the girls, it's where most of covercorps cut goes to

>>2021812
True. I remember when everyone thought the HoloCN girls would fail without their models but they are all making big money now. Don't even know why the girls dont just leave Cover and go indie.

>>2021812
>indie
>uto
Ignoring that her success is still completely because of hololive, see the companies that are contracting the same artist from gura, it's free advertisement. Everyone would like to leech as well as her company does

I just want a chill Ina x Froot collab
maybe they can bring along Iofi too

>>2021848
Show me the proof, to make this claim you must have the numbers to back it up

>>2021906
I pray to God that that never happens. Keep that literal whore away from ina.

>>2021877
She literally brought up akidearest, who both isn't in trash taste or vshojo
Face it, she wants to be in that friend group

>>2021831
OR all of these things are more casual than you guys think, and nothing has long-lasting effects other than in your heads.

Mori did that collab and nothing changed afterward, it was nothing. She doesn't need to talk or ignore them, is just something that happened and everyone moved on to other things.

This is the only place where people still bring that up. I had even forgotten it happened.

>>2021854
>All the leech shit people talk about here is just paranoia
Where's your proof of this claim? Streaming is
inherently a faker's profession. You look happy when you're really sad or mad and you pretend to like people just to move up the ladder. Ollie is a genuine person that hasn't learned how nasty the content creator community can be.

I'm sure some just wanna be friends and collab for fun but the thirst for clout is very real and I'd hate for her to be hurt over it.

>>2021768
What exactly is the delusion? Zentreya made enough before even going full time to buy their own home in full, and this was during the VRC era when they had less than 500 viewers if I remember right.

VShojos see almost every dime you see them get on stream, after taxes. Holos have way more overhead individually.

>>2021387
Just like /vt/ then

>>2021874

>>2021893
Artia already had oil barons while in hololive, she got 3000 per stream

>>2020569
leave your dislike

>>2021679
>Guys I think the hololive bubble might be bursting
That's fine, let the trend hoppers go to other groups
The less EOP shitposters in hololive the healthier their streams will be, everyone wins

>>2021857
That doesn't even make sense, the neckbeards are usually prudes who think women have to be pure and innocent.

Cope harder.

>>2021944
Wrong you can actually catch vt fags breaking containment in stream chats constantly.

>>2021962
tx for boosting her in the algorithm ;)

>>2021679
sorry anon, i don't dislike nor hate her interaction with those vshojo and e-celebs, but
>fact that Ollie is basically stating she would rather be in vshojo
you are delusional. get your facts checked, and stop using my oshi for (you)s

>>2021894
Pixar and DreamWorks leeched off each other anon, every product is leeching off some other IP in some way
Hololive was a bubble that is now more of a containment area for growth, senzawa would have probably grown even more than gura has

>>2021848
>I've been telling you fags for months
Who are you? You do realize this is an anon board right? No one here remembers you or will ever remember you.

>>2022002
lol

>>2021848
Who cares about Melody in the end though? Do you think it's more fulfilling for the girls to drop their identity and start anew with what? Holo is a big familiy and they are expanding in many ways with hololive alternative. Literally nobody cares about vshojo other then twitchkids and "pee pee poo poo SEXSEXSEX" joke enthusiast.

>>2021939
>Ollie is a genuine person that hasn't learned how nasty the content creator community can be

why do you believe that?

>>2022002
You don't watch hololive. Gura cried and thanked hololive for changing her life

>>2021913
Look at the top superchats on YouTube, now compare that to money earned by Melody, now adjust the hololive girls by taking half their money(Coco said this)

Indie literal who's make more money than most hololive girls

>>2022031
Where the fuck do I check melody's earnings? I'm honestly asking you to show me

>>2022052
why doesn't the guy you're talking to just show you numbers?

>>2022031
>superchats
>memberships
>merch
>ad revenue
>plus their own salary
I'm sure melody makes more than the piss poor IDs, she doesn't make more than any of the top 20 holos retard

>>2022021
>SEXSEXSEX
Let me tell you about Hololive's 3rd Generation member Houshou Marine. She has a particularly catchy tag line.

>>2021894
There are also a lot of indies using Cover's Hololive name and talents to build a following. Even a couple chuubas I like do this and it's frustrating, especially if they've never had contact with anyone in Cover Corp.

>>2021938
She doesn't realize it's bad form to name drop so much. Ollie might not realize that she could actually create antis out of Aki or others depending on how some schitzo Zomrade feels about that individual.
>>2021942
>their
his
>>2022024
She comes across as very naive. Maybe she's a good actress or maybe I don't watch her enough to say. She very well may have ulterior motives and is now looking to lay groundwork to help her seiyuu career. Someone like Connor is key to helping her out, especially since he's in Japan and a voice actor.

>>2022080
You forgot sponsorships.

>>2021679
Mori made so much money that she is pretty much free to do whatever she wants. She is even doing a concert tour.

You are crazy to think Cover is taking most of their money.

>>2022014
Check senzawas channel, every sen video has almost double to triple the views of gura, they got more engagement because the hololive tags are restrictive to the hololive ecosystem

Senzawa was big before even the whole vtuber boom

>>2022138
lol

>>2022085
The holos talk about sex all the time and talk about titties and dicks quite a lot. Listen to a Matsuri, Noel, Miko, or Senchou stream and it will usually come up. Choco is just suggestively lewd like Mel.

>>2022135
Superchats are split with google and cover. Google takes 30% off the top and the girls split the remainder with cover 50/50. So SCs are 35% to your chuuba but other sources of income go almost entirely to the talent like merch sales.

>>2022138
You know senzawa was a twitch streamer too right?
She was barely breaking 500 viewers a stream.

>>2022178
a couple of times a month, and long before the twitch vtuber boom that started last march. in fact 500 viewers is massive considering

>>2022138
Senzawa videos are youtube junk food. People repeat them multiple times and share them around. They are easier to watch than 1-2 hour long streams.

You don't even know how youtube works.

>>2022135
Coco said they only get about half the money you send, I understand a lot of you are children that have never seen foreign tax rates before, but those in addition to covercorps cut and YouTubes cut of superchats is a huge chunk

>>2022175
Which makes sense considering thanks to that Cover has the control to make merchandise and products for them. They get them sponsorships and organize concerts.

Other vtubers all they have is dick jokes, watch youtube videos on stream, and playing old games no one cares about like your typical bottom-of-the-barrel streamer.

Being in a company makes them stronger.

>>2022214
500 is still huge for a small streamer, it's just that holos are in the biggest leagues, you're delusional if you think she would be as big as she is now

>>2022138
Senzawa was just trendy shitposting, sort of like how Eilene used to do with those "Ebola-chan" videos.
Eventually Senzawa would've ran out of material and same-chan was better for her vtuber security.

>>2022216
I had an animation youtube channel from 2012 to 2017 that had a couple 100k+ view vids
The issue with senzawa was the same with nyanners, she did solo content, people loved the vtuber collabs, which is why nyanners skyrocketed after everyone copied hololive

Now all the indies are doing hololive shtick better, the indies take home more of the money without having any managers telling them they can't collabs
Senzawa just needed to hold onto her channel for a bit longer for when the boom happened, >>2022155 is delusional, I'm seeing LITERAL WHOS make more money than most of the hololive girls

>>2022303
I'm not that anon, just pointing out that you can't use her performance on twitch in 2019 as evidence that she would still be small if she had stuck to it and streamed more often.