/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20154145
They're all the same shit.

No because people in the west are loyal to the Hololive brand.

Hololive rejects

>>20154189
Since most started watching clips of their Japs

>>20154145
I am gonna be honest here. As a nijisanji fan.
They wouldn'T exist if they debuted before holo en since they are hololive rejects.
If we talk rethorically and they actually still debuted at nijisanji en before holonen - then yes, they would've been much more popular. Not Myth level but not as low as they are right now. Probably council level

Verification not required.

Yeah, probably. Hana was huge (relatively speaking) before HoloEN was a thing.

>>20154189
what vtuber is this

Implying Cover would hire these miserable whores.

>>20154867
go away you falseflag nijinigger

>>20154145
>would things be very different indeed?
No.
I mean, Gura was a fucking one-of-a-king juggernaut.
None of the LazuLight girls had what it took to replicate Gura's crazy success.

>>20154145
They still wouldn't be the EN branch of the Vtuber agency with Miko, Korone, Haachama, Coco and Fubuki so no.

Myth was more revolutionary than any EN batch in existence. Vtubing in the west would never have taken off if it wasn't for Myth.

>>20156149
so you're calling them the ultimate cancer

>>20156190
>Muh walled garden
If anything their success cemented the prolonged career or the JP holos as well due to all the new fans streaming in. Azki would've retired and others would've surely considered that option as well.

>>20156440
I don't agree with him or you.
Myth is a boon to JP but you're a blind fanboy and you don't even watch Azki.

>>20156149
What did they do that was so revolutionary? Let's be honest, alot of their hype came from a combination of the platform made by HoloJP, Gura's past and the pandemic. It was a perfect storm for their success. Individually they didn't do anything amazing lol.

>>20157491
What do any vtubers do that’s amazing? They are just e girls with avatars.

No, because nobody would know Nijisanji. It would end up like NijiID.

>>20154474
This has to be bait

>>20154145
They wouldn't exist. I know people here throw the "Hololive reject" as a mean to insult them but without HoloEN, Nijisanji wouldn't have opened a EN branch because the west was a fairly unknown ground before Coco and HoloEN happened.
Pomu and Elira didn't had any content creator experience before HoloEN, then went indie for a couple months and then NijiEN opened auditions. Finana, I don't now her background but I guess she lucked-out to be with the other two.
Would they be more successful in Hololive? Well of course, current Hololive carries a bigger brand value than Nijisanji.
Would they be more entertaining? I don't know, maybe not.
Those 3 are pretty entertaining already bar Pomu and Elira being the power duo.

>>20160727
Now, they would have become more popular if it wasn't for Nijisanji stupid method of killing the hype of their past waves with new waves every 3 months.

>>20154145
Is Elira a lesbian?

>>20160727
>without HoloEN, Nijisanji wouldn't have opened a EN branch because the west was a fairly unknown ground
Never forget that Nijisanji figured that India of all places was a better place to start than a "global" EN branch. Until they realized in hindsight that nobody in India watches anime and Hololive's non country-specific EN branch was generating massive amounts of hype. The the flailing around trying not to lose market share and killing my oshi in the process.

>>20154867
Based

>>20154145
Maybe but Gura was pretty much viral and I don't think that's because Myth debuted before Lazulight.

>>20154145
No. Hololive EN took advantage of hype created by Gen 5, Aloe's yab, and Aloe's graduation which created a feedback loop which created a perfect storm for them to hit a MUCH MUCH larger group of people.

Consequently it is because of all these things that Lazulights debut was pretty successful due in part to people getting tired of hololives manager shit and general autism of Myth.

People forget just how much of a perfect storm the Vtuber Boom of 2020 was.

>>20164536
There was hype around gen 5? EN pretty much towered over them in pretty much every possible way

>>20154145
Nijis would be seething even harder about HoloEN mogging them.

>>20154145
Nah, the western world would never abandon Hololive.

Kiara wouldn't be Pomu's oshi probably. Also >>20154298 >>20160727

>>20164693
Here is the timeline.
>Gen 5 announced
August 6th
Hype begins.
>Gen 5 debuts
August 12th
More hype
>Aloe suspension
August 17th
This is where the feedback loop starts English fans start taking notice.
>Aloe Graduation
September 1st
Twitter is on fire now in the EN and JP side of things.
>Holo EN Announced
September 8th
The previous events have now created a perfect storm of hype.
>September 11th
Holo EN debuts begin
Gura sings a bunch of meme songs catching the Algorithm.

2020 Hololive was near daily happenings and it was fucking awesome.

>>20165856
Don't forget that Gura sung "Country Roads" too, which was relevant again thanks to the Fallout 76 fiasco and the memery than ensued.

>>20166865
>bunch of meme songs catching the Algorithm.
She sang
>Country Roads
>Big Iron
>Plastic Love
>Ride on Time
All of which were massive in the youtube algo at the time as well as a ton of anime songs like Silhouette, Cruel Angel Thesis and so on.

>>20154145
Hard to know but Nijisanji never had any name cachet in the west, they probably would have debuted to even lower numbers than they got in our timeline and been old news by the time Cover got around to making their EN branch.

Now if you want to get really wild, what if Niji EN came out first and instead of these three middling streamers you had Gura, Nyanners, and Ame as the first Niji Wave? Could they have blown up and captured the EN market early on?

Western audiences were already invested into HoloJP through clips and meme videos. That's why HoloEN got huge instantly in the first place. And none of those people that made Hololive big in the west knew what the fuck Nijisanji was, because they didn't get clipped as much and none of their livers said nigger on stream.

>>20168879
Fuck it mades me mad that no more Holos are singing city pop , that shit is cash.

>>20154474
pink skull

>>20169113
It would just be Vshoujo with more men.

>>20154298
Elira never said anything about applying to Holo while Pomu is a Nijifag who only applied because Niji weren't doing auditions.
The only real reject is Finana.

>>20169439
And on youtube. Weird scenario but I don't think entirely implausible. All three of them were actively looking to get into vtubing and if Niji was the only show in town they might have gone for it.

>>20154145
How deluded are nijitards?

>>20154189
Yes, to be more precise clips won over the west before Myth even debuted. Even now more people will just watch a couple clips than ever view streams.

>>20154474
nyanners

>>20169113
lol not without the holo brand

What if we swapped NijiEN with HoloEN, how would they have faired assuming same debut times?

>>20170075
Well, there'd need to be a merge of early Nijisanji EN generations. Let's assume that we just pick all of Lazulight for HoloEN's debut. Pomu is Ame, Finana is Gura, and Elira is Mori. For Obsydia we will say that Petra is Ina and Rosemi gets Kiara. In the end I feel like they'd be of similar size as they are today.

However Pomu as Ame would be larger than Ame today and Gura would be even larger.

>>20170075
If you took Lazulight and Obsydia (and toss out Petra) and swapped them with Myth I think they would have done ok, but not amazing. Holo brand would have still carried them but you'd probably be looking at 20k early streams instead of 30-50k. I think Gura's preexisting fanbase and ability to go viral is always underestimated in their success.

>>20164693
Of course there was you retard, they broke 100k viewers on debut. That was an order of magnitude higher than any previous debut, and higher than EN too.

>>20154474
Calliope Mori

>>20154145
Nope, even before holoEN most clippers were already popularizing hololive especially coco

>>20170335
>>20170075
The big reason why Holo exploded in the west is the infrastructure was already set up by JP members like Fubuki and Korone from their clips.
Niji actually cracked down on clips which significantly stunted their growth.
People forget that Myth was a perfect storm of events, so even if the trump virus lockdowns and algorithm favored Niji EN, I doubt they'd have the same explosive growth at Myth.

>>20171942
I think they meant if you swapped talents and kept the same models bro.

It wouldn't be possible pomu was a lot more likable before

>>20154145
obligatory

>>20174334
Shitposter at least learn how to save images