/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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CURRENT PROMPTS

>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear on the daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What's common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much does the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?

>>20001382
I failed to find love in our republic so I must go outside to search for bussy and my soon to be partner

>>19980500
Yes /KFP/ women are sex, everyone wants to stick their heads under their dirndls.

Proposing we add a ritual post that includes trade deals and relationships (allies, friends, rivals, war?), so everyone can be up to date when writing lore.

Here are /∞/'s current deals and relations.

CURRENT RELATIONS
KFP is officially our ally.
We are friendly with /meat/

CURRENT TRADES
>/rose/ - Rosestones (magic coal); Kronii Water
>KFP - phoenix feathers (flame resistant, and source of flammable fuel); Kronii Milk
>/meat/ - mercenary contract; paid in currency and spoils
>/yeah/ - 1 metric ton of high quality timber; 5 liters of Kronii Milk
>/nasa/ - flour and sugar; Kronii Milk
>> rare asteroids; clockwork gearboxes

>>20002828
I'll join in as well

CURRENT RELATIONS
Infinity is our ally
Morig is our partner in our trading block

CURRENT TRADES
>/Nasa/ - gears and small machine parts, Space Flour and Space Pastries
>/Infinity/ - Phoenix Feathers (flame resistant, source of flammable fuel), Kronii Milk
>/MikoP/ - We buy and sell their goods to foreign markets, they let our merchants travel through their land

>>19982549
>>19982871
>>19983318
Rosehips and dried rosehips actually make for a pretty good ingredient in wine.
Source: I've made some myself.

>>20003131
actually alchohol could be a pretty good prompt for fluff. what sort of drinks does your country have.

being realistic alcohol is probably prohibited or at the very least taboo under /KFP/ faith since Kiara doesn't drink and repeatedly stated that she finds drunk people scary.

>>19981161
Wait, are they humans or /rose/butas? Asking for a friend.

>>20003278
Good idea, actually. Would you like to write the prompt?

>>20003373
yeah sure.
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?

>>20002446
Why is this an eyeball?

>>20003523
Anchoring >>20002471

>>20003591
Globe pekora

>>20003278
We do like the carbonated liquids blessed by our goddesses

>>20004814
HiRyS?

ohhhh canal

>>20004863
These liquids came from the mountainous area of our land and are collected as the dawn breaks.

>>20005975
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
Something like this?

>>20006907
Close but cool trivia. More like a morning dew that is processed to fizz.

>>20003278
/meat/ has cocoa and spice mix, Xocolatl
Refreshing and invigorating

>>20002489
I found this. Maybe someone can use it

I found this. Maybe someone can use it somehow

>Cool temperate summer is in our late autumn and winter, from late March to early August. This season has cool mornings, warm days, and is humid and wet initially, then becoming dry.

>Mediterranean summer is in our spring from mid-August to late November. This season has cool mornings initially, then becoming warm, warm to hot days with low humidity and low rainfall.

>Tropical summer is in our summer and early autumn, from late November to late March. This season has warm to very hot nights and days with high humidity. Rainfall can be heavy, but there are also dry periods.

>>19942389
/∞/ has voted in favor of this deal, Chronobanks Company, where we will give you non-exclusive rights to shipping. Please prepare a contract, and thank you for your time.

>>20008220
all the page is more useful than just tidbits of info https://www.nscf.org.au/seasonal-vegetable-growing-in-the-humid-subtropics/

>>20002471
It's rough around the edges, but this is a basic summary of how the people of /yeah/ came to be
https://rentry.org/oop7g
Additional stuffs will be added later on

>>20008254
Amazing news. I'll write up a series of proposals for the nitpicky details, which I will then run through you before I shall write up a draft for the contract, which again I will present to you for approval.

>>20008882
Wonderful. We'll be waiting!

>>20008842
Looks nice so far, can't wait to see it being fleshed out more! Do the different people still maintain their initial interpretation of the omen? Or do they decide to compare notes to integrate their mythology into a single pantheon?

>>20009369
Well, they will ultimately unite into a single kingdom, so i think they will end up forming a single pantheon, but as the kingdom is formed from the union of different cultures from different backgrounds, disparate pockets of peoples will still hold to their pre-unification beliefs and interpretations.

I think it would be really interesting if the kingdom wasn't wholly united, so i think these disparate beliefs should sometimes be at odds with the united pantheon over some interpretations, giving an air of tension and making the kingdom have to worry about it's own internal stability. This might be too hard for me to write though, so i might not pursue it. Still in the air though.

>>20002760
>>20003373
Sorry I'm late, but here's a teeny little run down! Yes, femboy Rosebuds (Formally known as a Rosy/Rosies) are very much available! They're not human, being plant-pig-humanoids, but they are pretty nice looking if I do say so myself! Their faces are actually pretty human, the most startling difference maybe being the cute little button nose snout they have. But it's a pretty flat "snout" so it's not like you're staring at a pig while you're banging a dude. Maybe the most off-putting thing would be the hoof hands, but I'm sure you won't mind when you learn how gentle the touch is. And of course, as per the usual with Rosies, the roses on their heads are capable of releasing an aphrodisiac into the air to help you get in the mood and stay in it. Oh, but you can't pollinate them, since other species are incompatible.

>>20010198
Well, a major factor of that would be how strict the unified kingdom enforce its own interpretation of the omen and the religion that spawns from it. If they keep things relatively loose (which might be a good idea given the different cultures making up the kingdom), then the theological conflicts would be less likely to spill over (outside some zealots). That might be easier to handle while keeping the different cultures unique. Of course, it also depends on how your thread is like, since that's what this world is primarily representing.

>>20010362
Excellent...
>Oh, but you can't pollinate them, since other species are incompatible.
Probably an upside ngl

>>20010362
>hoof hands
dropped

>>20011128
Can't you amputate their hands, eat them and then have your way with the rest?

>>20011223
I'm not a barbarian from /meat/

>>20011384
you ain't, but he sure is.

>>20011128
That's fair. I know the "not exactly human" thing can be a bit weird, so it's not exactly everyone's taste. No worries, I'm sure other places will have something more your speed.

>>20011384
>>20011434
I'm not from /meat/, I'm from I made you look, eh? Why are you so curious anon?.

>>20011553
One person's trash is another person's treasure...

>>20003523
I just noticed the prompt technically doesn't specify it being alcoholic... I'll see to the non-alcoholic part later, but it'll likely be something like >>20007985.
>As the most common food crop in /meat/, maize is also the most common material used to make alcohol commonly called chichiatl. Generally made by priestesses of the cult, chichiatl is made by grounding down the starchy maize before moistening it with the maker's mouth, before being laid out to dry as malt. Afterwards, the wort is extracted from the malt and left to ferment in large, heated earthenware for days. The result is usually a murky brown beverage comparable to beer. While it is often consumed directly, many chichiatl, especially those of higher value, is enhanced by being brewed with all kinds of spices, fruits, and even blood. Like dipping sauce, it is said that every household has its secret family recipe for their own chichiatl, and no two jars of chichiatl are ever the same.
>Other alcoholic beverages commonly consumed in /meat/ include corn whiskey (commonly called kornandi) and cassava beer. While chichiatl is commonly consumed by the priestly upper class, sometimes in religious ceremonies, corn whiskey and cassava beer are stereotypically drunk by lower-class workers and foreigners alike. Especially among soldiers and raiders, kornandi is often brewed and consumed alongside a myriad of local herbs, shrooms and other medicine. In addition to making them more palatable, the high alcoholic content is believed to facilitate the extraction and absorption of ingredients. Some veterans purportedly consume a large amount of herb-enriched kornandi before combat, utilising the intoxication to put them in a trance-like fury. The influx of foreign culture has led to increased acceptance of kornandi among the upper class, although chichiatl is still considered the principal drink of /meat/ due to its cultural and religious significance.

>>20011553
I'll remain here in the serene republic of /nasfaqg/. Words has it that a new cute trader has appeared and has shocked the republic with his trading skills and I have to get a date with him

>/rose/ and /morig/ start contributing more
>thread gets gayer

>>20012177
it's the color pink

>>20012227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu9_C90lTfA
I like them tho

>>20012177
Nothing wrong with a little gay, my friend.

>>20012177
My contribution last thread was establishing that /morig/ and KFP have currently cornered the hot babe market, thank you very much

>>20002471
anchoring my lore post from last thread >>19996688

>>20012177
Deadbeats have done nothing fucking gay here

>>20013099
Yet

>>20012796
The last thread went by so fast...
All anchor posts from the previous two threads should be archived.

>>20003751
K-kore wa... Ogey densetsu ka?

>>20013099
Deadbeats are an international menace

>>20015989
But they seem like peaceful merchants, what's so wrong about them?

>>20015989
Yeah? Whatcha gonna do about it?

>>20016047
Munch that tasty thicc leg, that's what I'm gonna do.

/risu/ rep here. gonna go through all of risus archive threads back when we actually posted shit besides porn. Taking what i can get but since there probably wont be much then ill just use risu memes that everyone knows about (like NNN)

>>20016381
I wanna see how you incorporate NNN into your lore

>>20015989
Ya i'll make another lore post about it, hopefully soon

I guess everyone at /nasa/ is a little chubby under the space suits. That said everyone is thinning out under gravity. The women are cute and a little dorky.

>>20003278
Root beet and ginger ale are non-alcoholic drinks. Though /nasa/ will need to make dry ice first. Dry ice will also let us make ice-cream. Without freezers we can't transport ice-cream out of /nasa/.

>>20002471
Anchor

>Nuts are a way of life. They are used for food, currency, trading, and even witchcraft to a small few. This is why the magical forest is so important to risuners.
>The townspeople commonly exchange each others nuts to taste and experiment. This is called a nut exchange and happens almost daily.
>Unknown to most risuners, these trees and sometimes the nuts themselves contained very small amounts of chuubanite, mainly increasing growth and ensuring nuts will be in plentiful supply
>Once a year the risuners would give all their nuts to risu as she went across every village in their land doing her collection. This tradition is sacred and all risuners including outsiders must participate. This is called the monthly "Nut tribute"
>The Nut tribute effectively resets the economy so no one risuner can become too powerful and keeps their oshi happy.
>Anyone who does not participate will be hunted down and thrown into the geese chambers. WARNING this does include outsiders. Advised outsiders who are into trading do not visit during november if they wish to keep traded nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkgguaGDWGE video referencing where most this came from. Also i added lore that I already developed just as a refresher.

>>20002446
Why does the globe have a tiny Jew hat?

>>20018054
Idol island is gonna be in the North Pole.

>>20017690
because im a baka forgot to mention that yes this is from the rep of /risu/ next time i do a lore dump im going to explain /risus/ current relations with outsiders in detail. So far /inf/ and /rose/ have shown interest in trading various goods for our variety of magical nuts. Also going to get more descriptive about types of nuts and their uses (holy shit im so autistic im going to do literal research on nuts and their uses). Probably will be tomorrow though as i posted /risu/ culture and religion (and economy kek)

bump while I watch divegrass

Bump

Back from the nap. So far /nasa/'s trade list is with /who/, /infinity/, KFP, and /rose/. Still in talks with what to trade with /risu/. /who/ allows /nasa/ to build a bakery at their port city. Which locals will be trained there to operate it. /who/ will also trade potatoes, cattle, and milk. /infinity/ has been comissioned to make specific gears that cannot be hand made in exchange for meteorite and gold. KFP will trade chickens and machine parts for flour, sugar, and space-preserved pastries. And /nasa/ is looking for teas and bath salts from /rose/.

/uuu/ might let us pick wildberries in exchange for bread and pastries. Though they want to try our wildberry pies. /ggg/ mentioned trying some of our food but no trade deal has been secured. /risu/ has nut flour so they might not be interested in wheat. There is some interest in sugar and alcohol. /nasa/ is assessing the disease risk from /meat/ before striking a trade deal with cacao.

At the moment /nasa/'s priority has shifted from repairing the station's engines to developing refigeration tech, which will hopefully lead to cryo to liquify gasses for fuel. We still need more research on Chuubanite and how it works.

>>20002471

>>20021936
I know we discussed what /rose/ had to offer to /nasa/, but did we ever go over what /nasa/ has to offer to /rose/? That's a genuine question; I'm pretty dumb so my memory fails me a lot.

>>20002446
A ball rendered by my PC, used in the OP? I'm gonna fucking blush.
Some WIP, started work on the heightmap. It's a mess for now, I basically just edited the current map to work as a heightmap, this is more of a proof of concept to see if I've got enough geometry to represent the shapes we want.

>>20024339
Nice, althought we definitely need to do something about the north end of the Holocontinent, I want my ex-Holo chuuba Siberia project to be up there. I hope MKNK and Kson can get along well in the frozen north.

>>20025581
My thinking for now is to just extrapolate
the parts of Hololand that reach up into the North Pole, see >>19969085 (though the black circle is a bit smaller now).

>>20022352
/nasa/ has sugar from sugar beets. Also wheat flour and wheat beer. If /rose/ has a fruits then /nasa/ could teach /rose/ how to bake cookies and pies.

Hey buds, I'm going to take a few days off of this place. What happened in /NijiEN/ shook me up pretty damn badly. I'll be back with some writing, hopefully.
>>20027861
Yeah, that sounds good, Rosebutas would love to learn how to bake that stuff.

>>20028638
If you have a way of processing sugar cane from nearby neighbors then you can get sugar that way. Space flour is unique that it comes from wheat bread to have flour last a very long time. Just make sure you have a cool dry place to store it.

>>20028638
I don't blame you: you have my sympathies. Hope to see you back soon with more rosebuta biology autism.

stay safe and love your oshi bud

>>20028638
>What happened in /NijiEN/
What happened now? I only browse my plit and this thread

>>20029801
Holotribalist posted CP and thread got closed.

>>20029896
Man wtf

So the /nasa/ thread is bringing up the potential of making a rail gun. I'm going to address it here now because I want to get the technology time loop over with. I'll say we have blueprints, but we lack the infrastructure to build a rail gun because we need factories in space, as well as robots to make parts, as well as microprocessors to build robots, as well as robots to build microprocessors, etc.

>>20029896
Is he a holotribalist? I don't need 3D porn to get off.

>>20029896
Wow, what a piece of shit whomever did that.

>>20031362
Damn

Republic Owl / Pecпyбликa Филин / République Hibou / 共和国 ワシミミズク
On entertainment and street culture

The population tends to be somewhat quiet, with a strong preference for small and sharp responses, if you walk by in the streets, no one will greet or try to bother you, and most people expect the same, this does not mean that the population is unfriendly or unreceptive as most will still reciprocate the greetings. It is to be considered that the population tends to be rough, crude and irritable, and thus fights can commence easily, tipically after the street brawls the involved will simply carry on with their path, althought sometimes grudges are kept between the participants. The guards try to interfere as little as possible whenever brawls happen, but will be forced to if the situation gets out of control. As a fun fact, martial ability isn't state sponsored, but it's very common among the population thanks to the large amount of veterans that wend back to civilian life and spread the techniques they learnt in their service.

The traditional music of the Republic uses drums at its core, with very heavy drumming being preferred, and vocals to carry the melody, other instruments are in use to aid in the carrying of the melody or to outright replace the vocals when no capable vocalist is present, the cello is also a favorite of many musical groups.

People often go to the pubs to drink and have a good time, this does result in a higher than usual amount of bar brawls and guards are often placed nearby to stop them once they get violent enough.

Theather plays are somewhat uncommon, and famously bad, ironically, this makes them a good tourist attraction as people want to see just how bad they are, comedy plays are the usual.

The Republic sometimes organizes public games.

Anchoring
>>20002471

>>20029896
what the fuck?

>>20029896
I hope they had the fuckers IP.

Anyway thanks to terrorism war between Hololive and Nijisanji is inevitable. Expect Hololive nations to be sanctioned by Nijisanji nations.

>>20024339
>a big crater on /uoh/
Why would you nuke Mount Olympus of cunny?

>>20032837
Life imitates art and it seems art will imitate life.

>>20029896
>>20032837
Lurking the NijiEN thread, it was supposedly a rosebud falseflagging as a holofag
>>20032070
Anon, there's like 15+ mods for the entire site, all of them know your IP

>>20033449
I know, just stating the obvious. Good thing I don't even go into the bigger threads.

>>20033449
Come on /rose/, I don't want to sanction your nation because of this.

>>20032837
Not this shit again...

what's the current established tech level of this world?

So thoughts about /nasa/ having a blueprint for a railgun but can't build it without 4th industrial revolution tech?

Also anchoring more information about /nasa/'s prime directive.

>>20002471
>>20015752

>>20033921
~1700, except Infinity (~1800 but complicate topic) and nasa (space age but broken/can't use).

>>20033921
1750s to 1800s, with /nasa/ and being an exception

>>20033921
1700-1800 in practice, more advanced is allowed but has to be balanced with the rest in some manner.

>>20033921
There is some magitech with chuubanite. Its fairly flexible if you understand what it is.

thank you for the info!

>>20033973
I'm alright with it. It has a very clear drawback that prevents it from being built, meaning that it's basically just for flavour.

>>20008882
He was lost at sea...

>>20036781
Been a bit of a busy day, gomen. Thank you for your patience.

>>20036781
Considering Chronobanks, it's basically a legal document. He's pretty good at this.

>>20036882
Take
Your
Time!
>>20036936
Looking forward to it then, I love that kind of dedication. LARPing is part of the fun here

While we're fixing the poles, do we want to restore the two islands pointed out in >>20001361? I think they disappeared some time around the start of the /inf/ island argument.

>>20037806
Who did the islands belong to?

>>20037898
no one, they were unclaimed

>>20037987
Guess we could leave them to unwashed barbarians like /het/ or כּשר.

>>20037898
They were added as the /infinity/ archipelago at first. They were removed since /infinity/ went with their island.

>>20037806
I would prefer if those islands just disappeared. They don't serve any purpose, and no one is lacking land

>>20038887
if they do exist, they0d be closest to /who/, Hoshiyomia, and /wvt/, so it would go to one of those

>>20039414
>>20038887
Keep them as independent states for a future split to take. There is no reason to give anyone more land after the /inf/ disaster.

Do we have an updated map with scale yet? I know we had one where you can overlay the map over the Earth for relative size and distance, but do we have with with exact scale?

>>20037806
A land for a land. These islands have sunked already and so the world must move onwards.

>>20039518
As far as I can tell, the OP (previous OP) pic is the most up to date one. I asked a couple times for globe purposes.

>>20039923
Thanks anon!

Boomp
>>20002828

>>20039518
Using the original map with all the continents put together and the scale from the holocontinent map, we see that it takes 82 bars to span the globe, each representing a length of 160 km. This gives a circumference of 13,120 km compared to earth's 40,075 km. If we want this planet to be earth-sized, then we should take each bar to be closer to 500 km.

I think we should probably start discussing an official scale of the map, and work to implement some sort of distance indicator.

The map we currently have is 6000 pixels across, and the world is 24901 miles to circum navigate, which gives us a very inconvenient pixel to mile ratio of 6000 : 24901. However I have devised some solutions.

We could solve this by either making the world of /vt/ larger by rounding it up to 25000, which would make each pixel about 4.16 recurring miles squared. I frankly don't like this option since 4.16 miles isn't a very easy number to work with either.

Alternatively we could round it down to 24000 which would make each pixel 4 miles squared, which is a pretty pleasant number and still keeps us relatively close: we only shed a little over the square mileage of London. This one is my favorite.

Alternatively we could either shrink or grow the world to fit a different number, however unless there is wide demand I wouldn't see a reason to. making the pixel to mile ratio 1 to 1 or 2 to 2 would make the world very small, but depending on what your view is this could actually be a good thing.
enlarging the world to 30000 to make each pixel 5 square miles would make travel hard.

pic related is a map I made with distance measures based on the 4 kilometers per pixel. This catbox contains a png version of it.
https://files.catbox.moe/r0l3k9.png

>>20002828
You confused asteroid for meteorite. Technically asteroids aren't worth as much as meteorites. Meteorites have to survive trial by atmosphere and impact. Asteroids you just grab or mine in space. Plus asteroids don't have the amazing patterns that meteorites get from falling through the atmosphere.

>inb4 create more meteorites by throwing asteroids to earth.

You mine asteroids for silicon and metal as you would any mineral vein on Earth. You're wasting more of that burning through the atmosphere than refining them in space. Don't get me started on the ethical arguments of killing people with meteors. Apologies for the rant but I figure its interesting.

>>20041548
>>20042086
well, for one, i propose we should use kilometers as the standard, because i'm used to that

>>20042286
that's...a fair criticism. I'll start working on the calculation for a convenient pixel to kilometers ratio tomorrow. Right now its late and I need to sleep. Night all.

>>20042086
That world is way too fucking big.

>>20041548
This feels a lot more manageable

>>20042286
Seconding using metric.

>>20041548
>>20042086
Climateanon's been doing analysis based on the world being Earth-sized. I don't know how it would complicate things if the planet became much larger or smaller.

>>20042535
If we round to 40000 km as the equator, then 1 pixel at the equator is 6.66... km, or 3 pixels = 20 km, which is round enough.

In any case, horizontal scale will change as we go north or south. Probably best to ask /3/anon for exact values.

>>20043337
>>20042286
Have both Mile and Kms

>>20043612
Use neither and invent a new unit for distance.

>>20043337
I plan on making a "true scale" unfolded map of the world (similar to picrel) that would make distance measurements more convenient (at least within continents).
The official and more widely used map would be the Mercator projection more people are used to and familiar with obviously, the unfolded pic would just be a handy reference.
I would suggest going for an Earth sized world to make other aspects of autistic scientific worldbuilding easier, if not maybe smaller, a lot of those countries are pretty big.
t. /3/glodyte

You know what I thought of that would be cute. If /who/ has domesticated hunting owls like Cohoots in Monster Hunter Rise. Owls would be useful for scouting the area quietly.

>>20043977
Oh that's cool, why didn't i think of that? I think I'll integrate it in the lore.

>>20044158
I thought about /uuu/ having kirins that catch lightning with their horns and long necks. And because of the chuubanite in their horns kirins can discharge stored lightning. Though I'm getting ahead of myself on fantasy creatures.

>>20044479
Yeah that's a bit too magical, kirins were super rare in chinese mythology too, althought in the case of /uuu/ it might be better to have one of those "could be magic, could be not" types of deals

>>20043923
It might make some autism easier, but it would make others a logistic nightmare.
Can Climate fag crunch the numbers on what things would be like if this world was half or 2/5 the size of earth?

>>20044984
Fascilitating the autism takes priority, logistics are what make sea power so important

>>20044815
Kirins in Chinese myth were based on Giraffes that had pale coats of fur. And I guess them having lightning powers is when one guy saw a giraffe get struck by lightning. If KFP can have phoenixes with flammable feathers then I can't see why we can't have kirins with chuubanite horns. That said I understand why not because the anatomy could be bullshit. Whether or not kirins can catch lightning I think we can find a way to make the kirins cute.

>>20044984
I think all paths will present some pros and cons, I think going for what is harder in the short terms but makes things easier in the long run would be wise? Not sure what that would be though.
Also, planet now has shiny ocean. Sorry I prioritized that over making /uoh/ not a crater, pedobros, I'll get to it.

>>20045842
What event happened that could have made /uoh/ a crater in prehistory?

/risu/ has magic but only for trees to grow more nuts. And a few witches here and there but those are rare.

>>20048521
Are the witches cute?

>>20048711
sort of. most risuners are very horny as well but its really hard to find them so good luck

>>20048521
How do they get magic? This is a very low fantasy world and the only thing that is consider magical is chubanite and even thats more a resource than magic

>>20050705
Magic nuts aka drugs.

>>20050947
That gives me an idea.
>>20031654
Adding to this, "magic" shrooms from the forest of the druids have become very popular within merchant groups of the Republic, it is told that they allow one to see the world more clearly and enter a state of calmness, however, there are records of them causing strong nightmares and horrifying experiences, so having a clear mind before consuming them is preferred. The druids often oppose their collection by the Republic, the merchants are looking to sell the shrooms to outside markets and due to the profits they provide, the Republic is silently allowing this.

>>20042107
>>20042107
Thank you for the correction, I'll update my records according. And don't worry, it was very informative

I'm not kidding about magic nut drugs. Half of witchcraft is brewing potions. So Risunan witches brew tonics, poultices, and oils from nuts. If /risu/ agrees.

>>20051811
/risu/ rep here who actually this was my idea anyway. the forest is magical because there is small amounts of chuubanite. risuners are too low tech to even realize and consider it a blessing from the yearly nut tribute.

>>20052571
It makes sense, there could be chuubanite reserves underground and it gets diluted into the water that is then absorbed by the roots of the trees

>>20002471
Here's the updated territory map with /who/'s new borders.

>>20052919
/uuu/'s forest is the same way. I'm not /uuu/ but I did bring an idea of a kirin catching lightning with its horn. It could get chiubanite for the horn from both the leaves of the trees and the salt licks. /uuu/'s forests grow huge because of chuubanite rich soil.

I also thought about /risu/ having villages in the trees. For some reason I think of Tree Top Town in Donkey Kong Country. https://youtu.be/0IL3ZtacuU4

>>20053669
>For some reason I think of Tree Top Town in Donkey Kong Country
That's cool haha, I also imagined them in wooden houses like ewoks. I wonder what's the aesthetic the risu representative will choose for their villages

>>20053462
Nice.

It has also come to my attention that /kfp/'s borders were secretly expanded when their mountains got added to the map. Looking back through the threads, it appears that this post >>19081819 is the culprit. In pic related you can see the old borders in red, which are what I've been using for my territory maps, and the border from the current topography map in black. Looking at them side-by-side, I would guess that this change was made to fit all the orange from the mountains into /kfp/ territory. It's not a huge difference, but since land was taken from /fbk/ and /wah/ without their knowledge, I figured it was worth bringing to the thread's attention.

>>20037987
>>20038141
Give the two islands to /pyon/ so they stop sulking
The old pyon is given to the jewchuubas

>>20054002
Lebensraum...

>>20055276
>Mountains
>Living room

>>20055377
I don't consider Poland habitable either but some countries find a way

>/nasa/ is not allowed to dick squirrel girls.
>/nasa/ is not allowed to dick shark girls.
>/nasa/ is not allowed to dick regenerating girls.
>/nasa/ is not allowed to dick pig girls.
>/nasa/ is not allowed to dick skeleton girls.
>/nasa/ is not allowed to dick block girls.

Feel free to add to the list.

>>20055877
What did /nasa/ do...?

>>20056073
Bread dogs.

>>20056073
Their directives prevent them from having fun with the natives

>>20056508
Ah, poor guys... I wonder how many of them break that rule?

>>20055877
They CAN dick twinkronie priests of infinity, but not the girls

>>20057878
That could be some interesting lore. Some spacemen visiting neighboring countries in secret for sexual tourism.

>>20058304
they'd need to get inmunized against disease before they go get some coochie

>>20058304
>Spacemen visits /meat/
Imagine the wound infection

>>20058392
First we need refrigerators and cryo freezers (to make rocket fuel). Then we'll talk vaccines.

>>20058670
What's the men-women ratio in /nasa/? Is there enough space coochie for the spacemen?

>>20054002
Sakuran also added a volcano with extra hills and stuff but I didn't change our borders and instead let the natural landscape leak through to the other nations, just saying.
>>20055877
Sakuran has cat girls, though they're more cat than human I guess (lore pending soon TM)

>>20058748
Population is about 45/55 women to men respectively. Polygamy is banned so there's at least a decent chance for men to get a wife. That said many childbirths come from artificial insemination as many men can't get laid. Men are the disposable sex in nature. And we still run into problems of suicide. The station was under strict population control. Now that we have a potential home population control can be temporarily lifted. Chances are we'll be making a permanent base here to build star ships with how much infrastructure we need to repair the station. But we'll have to discuss that with command.

>>20045842
The country borders are making depressions in the land, that'll be fixed later, right? Also there's a weird ravine cutting through the indie and small corpo continents, not sure what's going on there.

>>20055189
i like this. kiki herself literally asked for an island, so if an open island is available i think she deserves it. who wants to inform them?

>>20060515
Oh yeah, this map is literally the OP pic converted to a heightmap, the borders were black -> height = 0. And the vertical and horizontal lines are from the boundaries between the UV faces. That'll all be fixed when I go in to sculpt the surface.

>>20031654
fuck i forgot to add guitars to the instruments section.

>>20058589
you utter fool! /meat/ medical science is the finest in the world! if anything, they would have a better chance of surviving a sexual encounter with /meat/ than with most of the others, since we could save them from sexually transmitted diseases that could kill them, while also likely strengthening their immune system in the process. note, this process will not be for the faint of heart, as we enjoy your suffering on a purely religious basis, we would genuinely mean no long-term harm to you personally. :)

>>20062808
hey what does that mean? what process?

>>20062808
Wtf are /meat/heads the cenobites of /vt/?

>>20062599
Here, take a borderless version. This should be up to date.

>>20062902
well, you gotta get at least a little sick for your immune system to kick in, right? imagine a lot of that, but we wont let you die from it. oh, also, the normal process of sex with a /meat/head. it's fun once you try it enough, trust me.

>>20062223
I still say they should just ask for /nina/'s island since it's right there.

>>20063298
Alright, i think that's the first time i've been put off by what a /meat/head says.

>>20063500
I prefer /pyon/ getting the island from /nina/ if that works. Don't think /nina/ is around here anyway.

>>20058589
I mean, fleshgrafting works for healing wounds, so maybe some form of it mixed with medicine will work out well against pathogen too. I think there is a line in the lore about /meat/ chuunabite helping against infections.

>>20063148
You should check /meat/ lore. Probably among the more expansive ones here.

>>20063514
First?

>>20064037
>First?
I've been in the internet for an unfortunate amount of years

>>20063292
Hey thanks, that'll speed things up.

>>20053881
I'll have an update tomorrow on this. Leaning towards primarily wooden structures.

>>20043337
>>20044984
I'm pretty sure changing the size doesn't actually change the weather. The main things that effects weather is the planets rotation speed and direction. although if some one more knowledgeable can correct me that's fine also.

>>20054002
Hello, I made that map
This change was not intentional, it was a mistake that resulted from carelessness.
Sorry

>>20063298
not really, but then again living in an aseptic environment also doesn't necessarily make your immune system weaker, so it ultimately depends on what kind of theme you want to roll with

>>20068072
isn't that the whole purpose of having your kinds play in the mud? natural immunization is an effective way to strengthen the immune system and make yourself immune to whatever it is you are exposing yourself to.

>>20067767
No worries, it didn't seem to be maliciously done. In that case, I'll just continue using the old borders if there are no objections.
Though this whole thing did make me realize that we have a lot of random maps floating around with various updates in each one. At some point I'll have to go standardize all the maps I have and make a compilation post of them all for the thread.

>>20068228
Letting kids play in the mud has a bunch of benefits, but strengthening the immune system isn't one of them. The issue of living in an aseptic environment when it comes to immunity, as far as we know, is that people is more likely to develop allergy due to them not coming into contact with foreign objects that are "harmless" (like pollen, dust and bug droppings) when their immune system is still learning what to kill, as such when they finally touch them later in life, the immune system just go HAM on that and potentially kill them in the process. In a way, you can say growing up in an aseptic environment makes your immune system too sensitive and too powerful, not the other way around.
Coming into contact with pathogen does make your immune system more effective against the same pathogen in the future if you come into contact with them, which is basically how immunisation and vaccination works. However, diseases that will kill you the first time tend to be, by definition, rather deadly, like smallpox, rabies, and ebola, so logically the biggest concern a spaceman who has been living in a flying Apple store when it comes to immunity would be them being allergic to absolutely everything, rather than getting killed by actual pathogen around.
Of course, it also depends on whether this world has a constant smallpox presence. If this is indeed the case, then /nasa/ might be in some troubles (then again, so would the rest of the population, given that smallpox used to kill like a third of the people it infected even in Europe).

>>20068844
does this negate any of my prior statements, or is it just a nitpick, if educational to an appreciable degree? smallpox was cured with cow pox because they were similar, but cow pox was milder, and thus less deadly. if someone were forced to stay alive while under the effects of small pox, would it not theoretically lead to an immunization to small pox without the need for cow pox? further more, is it not true that /nasa/ would fit your description of an overactive immune system? i will concede that "strengthen" may have been the wrong choice of words, but the meaning i was going for wasn't lost as far as i could tell. if we are in the mood to nitpick, could we not say that the self-regulatory systems of the immune system would be strengthened, thus allowing it to be less wasteful? regardless, thank you for your correction, as i found it rather interesting.

>>20069296
>prior statement
More accurately, people do let kids play in the mud for the perceived benefit of "strengthening immune system", and there are benefits of letting kids play in the mud. However, kids do not have their immune system strengthened by playing in the mud.
>pox issue
More accurately, due to how lethal and virulent smallpox is, human societies that don't get wiped out by smallpox have been trying to keep smallpox in check. When it comes to prevention with a measurable effect, the earliest method (and probably the only thing /vt/land has given the tech level) would be variolation, which involves taking pus or dried scrabs and introducing it to someone else's body (usually be inhaling the ground scabs, or piercing their skin with tools dipped in pus). The mortality rate of this method seems to be around 2%, which is considered enough an improvement of the ~30% mortality rate of smallpox to be practised commonly in places like China, India and Ottoman Empire. It is only later that cowpox is used instead of smallpox (as they turn to be similar enough to work for immunisation), but the methodology is still the same until more modern vaccine was invented beyond this setting's time frame.
>/nasa/ and overactive immune system
Yes, it's likely that /nasa/ spacepeople will suffer from a lot of allergy, but the issue is that exposing them to allergens are not going to help cure that. If anything, it is going to make their next allergic reaction deadlier (due to the aforementioned immunisation system) unless /meat/ has some kind of way to remove immune cells programmed to react to the allergen.

>>20067671
You are sort of right in your assumption, those are the main things that effect climate and weather. However, size does relate to planet mass, and planet mass relates to the force of gravity on the planet's surface, which relates to the thickness of the planet's atmosphere.
More massive planet means a more massive atmosphere, and a more massive atmosphere leads to a stronger greenhouse effect, leading to a warmer planet. Conversely, a less massive planet means a thinner atmosphere, leading to a weaker greenhouse effect and a colder planet.

This could be circumvented by moving the planet closer or further away from it's parent star, but this would affect year length unless the orbiting speed of the planet is also increased / decreased accordingly. I do not know if this would cause any issues, but this would not solve the issue of stronger / weaker gravity.

Stronger / weaker surface gravity would mean a higher / lower air density near the surface. This would affect flight of animals and machines alike, as well as ballistics, but going into that may be too much math autism, and possibly the rate at which fires burn since with higher air density there would be more oxygen to fuel a fire in any given volume of space depending on the gas composition of the planet's atmosphere, as well as the mass of the planet, this could also cause some other issues like affecting the temperature at which water boils for example, and at worst it could create areas of the planet that are toxic to breathe due to buildup of heavy gasses in low-lying environments Correct me anyone who knows chemistry if I'm wrong in this.
I do not know how higher or lower gravity would affect wind speeds or rainfall, but it likely would, since both of those things both are affected by temperature differences, which relates to the mass of the atmosphere.

Gravity problems could be fixed for larger planets by making the planet less dense but I feel like this would cause some issues too, although I do not know what those issues may be.

For smaller planets, you could make them more dense or have them have a more massive iron core, but a smaller planet naturally will mean a weaker magnetic field due to there being less temperature difference between the core and the mantle which would be partially caused by the planet radiating away heat at a faster rate due to its higher surface area in relation to its volume which could lead to increased radiation on the surface, and would lead to increased rate of the planet losing gasses from its atmosphere. This may have happened to mars actually.
For this to not be a problem, the planet, and by extension the solar system, would have to be younger, which could affect the tectonics and evolution of life on the planet, and resources such as coal, oil, and the amount of radioactive elements in the planet's crust.

Of course, all of this could just be handwaved away, especially so if the planet is only a little bit bigger or smaller than earth.

>>20069644
>some kind of way to remove immune cells programmed to react to the allergen.
so why is it that when children are exposed to allergens in the wild, their immune system learns how to deal with them? isn't it a fairly adaptable system? it's not like everyone has the same allergies as each other, or always has the same allergies over time or anything, right? am i missing something here? i took microbiology classes and if i am remembering them correctly, this is basically just a giant nitpick without much more than pedantry to justify it, which would be fine if you acknowledged it as that, i suppose. i'm just not sure what role this response has provided at this point. so, you are disagreeing with me on the use of the word "strengthen", which i have already conceded was technically the wrong word to use, and as you now continue to mention it, i have to ask how it benefits the overall discussion to dwell on it? it's still interesting, but it's seeming a bit repetative for what value it provides at this point, no offense.

>>20070239
The nightmares of immunology classes...
>children allergy
We're not *completely* sure on how allergies develop, but the current understanding is that exposure to harmless foreign material during the early days of one's life help build up a white list of sort, essentially making sure that the immune system doesn't go apeshit on these things (something called immunotolerance). The exact cutoff point (if there is one) is a bit muddy (heh), but it seems to be somewhere between 1 year old to preschool age. After that, encountering allergens will probably not help getting it added to the whitelist, but instead trigger an allergic effect.
>adaptability
It is a very adaptable system. In fact, you can say that might be the issue here. While it means your immune system can potentially protect you from all kinds of pathogens, past and future, it also has to learn whether it is a new pathogen or just some kind of new microplastic. As for how it's likely done, see the above point.
What causes allergic reactions to threaten one's wellbeing (or life) is still somewhat a mystery, because sometimes we seem to just develop allergy all of a sudden.
>"strengthen"
That was meant to respond to the initial point in >>20068228, where my response in >>20068844 is questioned in >>20069296. As such, I use the original phrasing to address the point. I did try to make it so that I don't imply you maintaining the original meaning by having it be "strengthening", but I missed one in the next sentence. I apologise if that caused misunderstandings.

Regardless, the point is basically that from a purely academic standpoint, /nasa/'s main issue in immunity would be allergy rather than being vulnerable to pathogens. That said, it's not like /nasa/ has a big enough population base to survive a major epidemic, even if they have about the same mortality rate as the rest of the planet. It ultimately depends on what /nasa/ wants in terms of depiction, and there are always ways to justify that.

>>20070197
aaaand I've been corrected.
I doubt most of this will come up/be important, especially since we're not shedding very much mass, but its still worth considering, at least before we start handwaving.

We should also probably wait until we can get a map without Mercator stretching before deciding on anything. the Pixel kilometer/mile ratio may be different on it, or entirely redundant by then.

>>20071343
The resolution of the no-stretching map will be basically whatever number I pick, it's arbitrary. Also, the no stretching map really doesn't change things all that much, /ggg/ is just even bigger and countries near the poles are a bit smaller, but it's not too dramatic. (t. /3/friend)
Really, the right order of priorities should be to see what world size is desired for the geopolitics we want, since those are the star of the show when you get down to it. And then we work our way backward from that. Once we pick a global circumference, we can find justifications for how 1G gravity is retained, we can calculate the km/pixel, we can see if and how climate is affected.

>>20071024
there is also the fact that the exact method that /meat/ regeneration/medical science works is partially left to magic. i always imagined it reworking the body in a developmental sort of way, where your body would be forced to go back through the process of birth to be able to regenerate, hence cancer and the possibility of healing errors.
>The nightmares of immunology classes...
this seems to indicate that you believe something i said was so egregious that it was worth criticizing the whole of academia within that field. i won't say academia isn't a shitshow, but even after all of this, the only thing i said that wasn't accurate was the use of the word strengthen. all the rest is the simplification of processes that don't need to be addressed in much detail, and other such nitpicks. if i am wrong please try to be more specific, or clear about what exactly i said that was inaccurate.

>>20071600
We haven't really dived into how /meat/ fleshgrafting works. We know for sure it helps promote healing (but not healing capacity, it seems). As for /meat/ chuubanite, I once wrote that
>/meat/ is also known for their preference for human flesh as food. It is believed that ingesting chuubanite-infused flesh will offer some degree of protection from pathogens, poison, and even fear, especially when it is "activated" by wearing chuubanite-infused organic material, ranging from body armour to religious trinklets and artefacts.
So it might be of use for /nasa/, although I'm not too sure if they would want to try that out themselves.
>The nightmares of immunology classes...
Oh, no, it isn't meant to be a jab at you or your statements. It's just a reference to how painful studying immunology is, as most people who have sat through immunology classes can attest.

>>20071756
>grafting
Ah fuck, this is gonna be an ER alternate universe now.

>>20071778
It makes use of ritually sacrificed human flesh, but it may or may not involve literal grafting...
It's partially inspired by Mai-chan's Daily Life, where the eponymous protagonist is almost immortal, and her wounds can be healed by shoving a supermarket turkey into the wound. For /meat/, we haven't looked into it yet, but I imagine the process is probably not the same. part of me feels it is better to stay mysterious like that, maybe everyone who have undergone the process is either part of the cult or refuse to talk about it ever again

>>20042086
I'm in favor of metric and it being earth-like. Yes, you could technically tamper with size/density/magnetic fields for custom planets, but I kind of feel we're way past that consideration with the nations already being established. Let's just assume an earth-like planet wherever we can for simplicity of people who want to write lore without having to consider i.e. altered mineral composition or lower surface gravity.

>>20071952
I think that would be a sane size for it. That would make /ggg/ about the same size as China, maybe a smidge bigger, and much smaller than Russia, with every other country being similar or smaller.
I must say, those are good sizes for modern nations, but they'd be pretty big for pre-industrial states. But I think that's an acceptable concession.

>>20018078
Still to be seen on may on what will happen.

>>20002471
>>20055189
>>20037806
My proposal for the 'Missing 2 Islands'

>>20074133
I lean more towards the /nina/ island proposal, but I'm fine with either. Maybe someone ask /pyon/ which one fits them better?

>>20074133
Why give go the Jew chuubas land when they don't have a general?

>>20074727
yeah I think the Jew question shouldn't really be brought up when they haven't even arrived yet.

Wait and see if they can sustain a general, then decide where to put them. for all we know they could just be a passing fad.

>>20074727
>>20074839
Which is why I said 'any' thread
Reminder that threads are dynamic. Just a week after we finished the full map anons made /OKFAMS/

>>20074839
>the Jew question
Naming aside, I guess we can leave that land empty for now if both /pyon/ and here agree to put them on the channel islands instead. If /chosen/ does become a regular thread, we can give that land to them, otherwise we can see what threads are unrepresented.

>20074950
>okfams
Yeah what should we do about those guys?

>>20075266
Looking at >>20053462, they all line up, apart from /Ayame/, which I'm not even sure has a permanent thread? Maybe they can be symbolised by an alliance, or a strip of land across the 4 nations' borders, while /Ayame/ are nomads within the area, mostly around fbk/mion. A rough proposal for Borders in picrel.

Also, I bring up the matter of changing the positions of fbk and mion, again, since we're talking about that area. If that happens, the new /mion/ would have to take some land from new /fbk/, to compensate for the current size difference, any possible land taken for the formation of okfams if that happens, and also because /fbk/ also has land in /bakatare/ so the loss is lessened, though they would be moved further north to a colder climate.

>>20076380
>picrel
>forgot to attach pic
Every time

>>20074133
I like this suggestion, the previous land can be left empty if the new group doesn't have a general.

>>20076414
>>20076380
Ah yes. The /hlg/ Transnistria

>>20053462
>>20074133
Seeing the change in the borders of /uuu/ and /who/ I'm actually surprised no one raised an objection to the expansion... /uuu/'s territoty is almost half of it's original size... Now what is keeping the other nations around /who/, like /rrat/, hoshiyomia, /nasa/ and /uuu/ to simply do some sort of defensive alliance to keep /who/ in check or a coalition and cut /who/'s size?

>>20077795
If we use what happened to /infinity/ as precedent, if you can find someone from /uuu/ who wants to represent them, then the deal /who/ made and their land garb would be voided.

>>20078060
Agreed, and the /who/ land grab also doesn't rub me the right way here. I'd be willing to search for an /uuu/ rep first.

>>20078273
Be the change you want this to be.
>>20068262

>>20078330
I'm currently too busy with other things and already took on too much /vtwbg/-related stuff onto my shoulders either way. That being said, if there was an anon who'd be willing to do it, I'd support them.

>>20037206
Does the /infinity/ rep happen to be present? I have prepared a few proposals for the trade deals.

>>20078060
So, the annexation of a part of /uuu/ territory was because of their lack of representative? I don't know, I think this might be the wrong approach...
Because, in the event that /uuu/ decides right now that they don't want to get involved with this project, then /who/ could easily just continue on grabbing more and more land from /uuu/ until they are a small rump state, but then a representative from /uuu/ could appear 1 year later and then the borders would go back to the way they originally were?
I think the way in which /infinity/ did was more correct, let /uuu/ become a protectorate or vassal state of /who/, and when a representative appears, the two nations can negotiate a deal for /uuu/ independence in exchange for some land for /who/.

>>20053881
Ayy i didnt ever play this game but i saw the vid and liked the idea. My whole idea was going for an ewok village from star wars. Fire in torches for lights everywhere, stone campfires for cooking hunted animals and a bunch of other buildings/farmland for turning the gathered nuts into something useful. There would be a bottom layer of buildings containing most of the farms and gathering posts as well as trade hubs for both risuners and outsiders. Above that would be a top layer around big tree trunks that resemble ewok villages with bridges to connect each other. Risuners are of course very good at climbing and a lot of trees nearby settlements have special grooves in the trees to make climbing even easier. Ill update everything when i get back home today, give it about 7 hours.

>>20078904
/who/ and no one else as a matter of fact should be able to abuse inactivity of other threads.
If a representative appears, independence can be straight-up declared without any concessions.

Don't tell me Risu agreed to give /infinity/ any land, I thought they parted as equal allies in the end?

>>20079097
i stated risu shall be independant

>>20064037
I replied last thread its fine you get the island if we split /gorls/ 50/50 with /ccu/

>>20079097
Now I can't help but imagine /who/ soldiers running away from /uuu/ lands being spanked in their asses on the way out by moving branches of trees and vines just because a /uuu/ representative decided to appear causing the forest to come alive and expel the invaders in order to purify the land of the saplings.

>>20079097
/infinity/ approached /risu/ to see if they were interested in playing and if they weren't, could they become a protectorate.
No one in /risu/ was interested at the time time and told /infinity/ to do what they wanted.
It was only after the fact that someone said they were interested and because of the amount of backlash /infinity/ faced for doing it, because it was /infinity/, they just gave /risu/ independence.

>>20079097
>Don't tell me Risu agreed to give /infinity/ any land, I thought they parted as equal allies in the end?
They're just allies and might give rights to /infinity/ build a canal or trading route through their country IIRC. Can't see how the canal would be done because of the technology and time needed.

>>20079787
>>20079945
Okay, that's what I thought. /infinity/ handled the end of that issue pretty well by just releasing /risu/, so I was surprised to hear about some kind of land deal/concessions that anon was implying happened.

>>20079450
Alright, so I think there are two proposals we have regarding /pyon/:
Plan 1: https://files.catbox.moe/5y3bie.png
- /pyon/ gains /nina/'s island
-/nina/ and /ccu/ divides /gorls/ (exact border pending)
Plan 2: https://files.catbox.moe/anjx4t.png
- /pyon/ moved to islands west of holo continent
-old /pyon/ and /gorls/ become empty lands reserved for future threads

I think this will call for a vote regarding whether we should be open to adding the islands for plan 2. If this is rejected, then plan 1 will be the only offer available. If this is accepted, though, then maybe we can ask /pyon/ for which plan they prefer. How does this sound?

>>20079997
>/infinity/ handled the end of that issue pretty well by just releasing /risu/
I think they were more upset over the double standard that everyone gave them flack for making /risu/ a protectorate while /who/ annexed /uuu/ to maybe one or two people complaining.

>>20081155
/who/ didnt immediately decide to occupy and dig a giant trench through the entire country.

>>20079945
Gramps here, from Infinity, we have posts ready to clear up all of this, but they have to be post by Archivebud for well know reasons...

>>20081306
I didn't agree with the canal, but /who/ is occupying /uuu/.

>>20081997
Are we gonna have a Sokovo/Palestine situation?

>>20082623
That only depends on if /uuu/ gets a rep and /who/ refuses to leave.

Good thing i just woke up, the whole deal with /uuu/ started because I remember the /nasa/ rep saying that they never came by and how he couldn't get trade deals because of that, so I just came in with a big negotiation for the land i wanted in their general, key word being negotiation, then they offered me their entire land because they didn't want to be involved in the project.
I didn't like or want that because I've no idea on how I'd integrate them in the political system of the Republic or the lore i was building, also, if they ever do start being more interested in the project thay'd have no lands to start from and that'd make a big mess.
I told them i didn't want to annex them, just the lands, I had to reduce it to a "protection" deal, I also proceeded to announce it in the thread as quickly as I could.

I think the real reason others had a problem with /infinity/ doing it was because they basically said "we aren't isolationist anymore" and then announced their protectorate of /risu/, making it a bigger powerplay, /infinity/ had argued for many things using isolationism and supposed civil war as reasonings for their technological superiority, now that one of those went out the window, /infinity/'s technology is called into question. That's pretty much it.

>>20078330
Would /uuu/ love the ideas of real live kirins in their forest?

>>20083776
Also it should be noted that /risu/ has no overlap with /infinity/ unlike /who/ and /uuu/.

You should return their land to them, though.

The /who/-/uuu/ is just one of Neutralfag's fuck ups so let them settle it themselves

/uuu/'s land should be returned to them. The only reason the /inf/ plot got foiled was because /risu/ did find a rep. With splits naturally dying, or not being interested in taking part in this game. Their territory should just be placed on hold for any new vtuber splits that rise up.

>>20084241
>Neutralfag's fuck ups
How's that a fuck up?

If anyone of you actually watched the vod regarding kiki's thoughts on /pyon/s placement you would know that she specifically wanted a rabbit shaped island, not just any island in general.

>>20084681
>rabbit shaped
Ehhh. Too fantasy.

>>20084681
Link and timestamp would be nice, but regardless, if the thread agrees to add island(s) for /pyon/, then the shape can be discussed as well.

>>20084779
Won't be the first time we reshape the land to fit with a split's motif

>>20084779
>>20084828
I think to make it fair, they get the 3 islands, and all allowed to then put them together like tetris pieces, but not change the actual shapes.

>>20084476
I'd like to know that too, trying to force /infinity/ to move was his only big fuck up.

>>20084909
I'm fine with an rabbit-shaped archipelago

>>20084986
As long as it's not too fantasy looking. Position in the same way Japan looks like a seahorse/dragon

I knew it! I knew it!
/who/ really is secretly a warmonger! They have their first taste of blood but sooner or later it will go out of hand

>>20085059
Yeah, I still think adding islands should be a thread-wide decision. We'll also need someone who knows how to draw land properly if that passes (although maybe /pyon/ can help with that).

>>20084828
Here's where it's mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5GsafEb8U
1:17:00

>>20085232
Thanks!
>coconut
In that case the islands will have to be in the tropics if she's serious. Maybe once we decided on whether to add islands for them, we'll just ask /pyon/ to decide on what they want out of the land.

>>20085232
>Says we're shills
>Complains about the island she got

What if /pyon/ used land reclaimation to artificially shape their island to have bunny ears? You could drop a bunch of dirt like mining spoils to create more beach land.

>>20085416
She complained that their suggestions were ignored

>>20085571
Land reclamation started in the 20th century.

>>20085706
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reclamation_in_the_Netherlands
It's still not enough to give an island bunny ears.

>>20085706
As long as you can carry the dirt land reclaimation is possible any time.

>>20084779
Maybe it is, but it is a "goddess" (the Vtuber herself) asking for it... So maybe we can just write it in the lore as the island or the archipelago being created by the goddess herself for her followers?

>>20085845
Right. I forgot that she's a /here/ goddess
Yeah Im okay with it. Just no island in the shape of a hyperrealistic bunny

>>20085832
Those were Polders which are wetlands that get dried out.

>>20085842
The problem is they're on an island, their land is extremely limited.

I wonder if white snakes are popular pets on /infinity/?

Should /here/ and /asp/ goddesses be given a special status on the world council?
Or would that be mary sue-ish?

>>20086154
fuck no

>>20085940
Let's just hope she's willing to make some concession on the island or archipelago. I also agree that a hyperrealistic bunny would be weird, but as long as the general shape of the bunny is there and the island can have coconuts, I hope she will be happy with it.
>>20086128
No, because they are the favorite mascots of the /ouro/bros.

>>20086154
No

>>20086154
/clg/ here
On one hand, Lumi and Yuri are /here/
But on the other, I have a button specifically to call /meat/ if I need any gods eaten

>>20079787
>because it was /infinity/
I'm pretty sure the backlash was because of what they were doing. Sometimes it can seem like /infinity/ is getting a reaction others might not but generally there is a solid reason for the reaction even if some over react

>>20086374
>call /meat/ if I need any gods eaten
What? We're not a WMD!

>>20086304
Shame because sneks are cute.

>>20086304
>>20085940
I think its possible to do that. For example I think this looks fairly good while still being bunnyish.

>>20086304
An island that's crudely shaped like a rabbit would be fair.

/who/ Mission tree leaked!

>>20083776
Ya we're just seeing another large section of historical revisionism, from some posters over /infinity/ attempting a land grab right after changing their lore. A thing that many poster complained could and would happen given their advantages over others. The matter appears to be settled right now so its ot a big deal but seeing some anon's act like /infinity/ was singled out for arbitrary reasons is pretty disingenuous

>>20083776
Hello, I'm Gramps from /Infinity/. I don't want to start a loop, just clarify some things and clean misunderstand that are my fault. Later Archivebud will make post with official moves and lore from Infinity.

I am to blame of Infinity leaving isolationism, I pushed for searching trade partners and alliances around the world. It's in my intention to lore this things up and work in the unbalance it has created. I'm sorry for all the complications it has caused, it wasn't my intention, I just find we being part of the world is a more interesting approach to write stuff and give us reasons to interact more /here/ and with other map-friendly threads.

That being said, my 'plan' (if you want to call it that, as I just proposed things to the thread) was to establish us as a trading nation with links to every continent of the world, as I see us as a very populated thread with people with multiple oshis in different companies, and also representation of several fetish threads. This proposal, easily traceable in archives, was never meant to be an imperialist move. My mentality about alliances were considering lore, we are isolationist, so our forces would be defensive. As such, I went hard, as to defend this idea, to kronies having a hard line on sovereign.

As you can also trace, our first move in this direction was to try to make friends with /mep/ and /anyapetra/, based on the KIRA group (we're already friends with KFP, and Hirys rejected us when asked, which is fair). Given this, another anon though about a canal, which we found it cool (we were ignorant that world tech gap wouldn't make it feasible). At some moment, one anon tried to make an alliance with Risu, but no one in the thread cared, and they pretty much said to take it and leave it. After this, we discussed thoroughly (again, archives exist) how to approach this land we have just got, as it wasn't our intention to 'own' it. As it was informed here, we chose the 'protectorade' as a way to be open to 'give back' the land if some Risuer came to /vgwbg/ to participate, which happened right away, I'm immensely happy that it happened (specially because he seems to have fun lorewriting*). After this happened, we arranged a dialog in our thread with the rep and we have reached a solution easily.

Now, because we have a bad rep here, which dates to previous actions from Infinity before I joined this effort and have falseflagging involved, we are specially picky on how we inform this here, so we are very bureaucratic on taking action for the good of this thread, but that means that while this place was burning in loop discussion we've already though solutions that would show up here days latter. That is why I started to post here the other day trying to ask to stop the looping and conversation until we gave official statements, which, again, are ready to be publish by our representative. As it's well known about our thread, we consider that it has to be him the authorized voice here to stop the misunderstanding around us.

Hope this clarifies everything about our intentions. The solutions to the problems will be on Archivebud posts.

Thanks for reading. Glory to the time goddess, glory to Infinity, and a heartfelt desire of progress to the /vtwbg/ world.

__


* hey Risu representative, don't be a stranger, come back sometime to our thread.

>>20086625
I'd appreciate it if you stopped making propaganda

>>20086425
I'm not even a Kronie though, I'm the anon with the ex-holo chuuba Siberia project! Although if any Kronie want to take my words about white sneks and /ouro/bros for their lore, they are free to do so...
>>20086496
Now, since I'm not a /pyon/ representative, I can't speak for them... But I think what is desired is a rabbit head... We should have asked for clarification on the matter...

>>20086789
Your goddess is secretly a sociopath. So are her followers

>>20086928
god at least read the fucking lore i've written, she's not a goddess.

We're not sociopaths!
Okay ignore the cannibal cults...

>>20086928
>secretly
Ain't nothing secret about it, dear anon

If im getting this right
>/meat/
>monster on the outside, innocent on the inside
>/who/
>innocent on the outside, monster on the inside

>>20087125
I think innocent's the wrong word. Something more like "tame" might fit better.

I GOT PHOTOS OF /nasa/'s SUPERWEAPON!

>>20087255
IT NEEDS A BIGGER CHASSIS.

>>20087255
I wish that was true. Wouldn't be viable at all to move around in space.

>>20086928
>Secretly

>>20087341
That's the fun part, it's alive, it can move on it's own. Imagine looking up at the sky and see this thing just coming straight at you, butterfly stroking through space.

/∞/ having a technological edge over /who/ and beating them in direct combat is canon.
https://youtu.be/pTmR-A7NXbY?t=10448
https://youtu.be/pTmR-A7NXbY?t=10792

>>20086773
uh, in short...
You wanted to make /infinity/ a trading nation with particular focus on KFP, HIRyS, Petranya, /mep/, this is something that goes against the established lore of your thread as "Isolationist" so you pushed to change that.
You also thought that pushing for defensive alliances would somehow also fit along with your isolationism.
And the third point is just "wait for our representative please" which is fair.

I guess that explains your thinking process, still, unfortunately your ideas for /infinity/ go against multiple of the things that were asked from them, things like the tech advantage were given to /infinity/ because of isolationism and civil war, meaning that they wouldn't break the world market and everything else just by existing. Or something like that, it's still too early for me to use my brain.

>>20087255
GOD I WANT TO FUCK THIS SUPERWEAPON

>>20087341
>>20087315
Wikileaks of a /nasa/ marine!

>>20087651
/nasa/'s armored scouts

>>20087649
Gud shit

>>20087598
>unfortunately your ideas for /infinity/ go against multiple of the things that were asked from them, things like the tech advantage were given to /infinity/ because of isolationism and civil war, meaning that they wouldn't break the world market and everything else just by existing.

We will work this out, I promised it. We will think about solutions on our thread first and the Archivebud will offer lore/nerfs/etc. officially here, how that sounds?

Also, sorry for the long wall of text, I though that the flamewars that happen the other day here deserved a very specific answer.

>>20087718
Can I ask sauce?

>>20087810
Yeah don't worry about it, long walls of text are prone to getting picked apart and willingly misinterpreted by bad actors, specially if they're somewhat hard to understand. Guess I'll wait for the official thing.

>>20087598
Maybe just assume that /inf/ intentions weren't malevolent?

>>20087845
http://tw4.jp/gallery/master/?master_id=00177
http://tw5.jp/gallery/master/?master_id=00177
http://tw6.jp/gallery/master/?master_id=00177

>>20088021
Thanks!

Okay I lied about staying away for multiple days, lore is too much fun for me to stay away from this thread. I've got a more extensive look into Rosebud biology done, but I have a question. Should I just upload it in a few posts (I think it might be too long for just one) or should I find some other way to post it here?

>>20088021
>those designs
MUH DICK!!

>>20088051
post it in a rentry file methinks. It would be easy to binge it that way.

>>20087718
Would /nasa/'s women be chubbier? It's easy to tell they'd be taller, would they be considered more attractive thanks to the power of modern beauty products, this is kind of interesting

I was actually thinking about something along the lines of this for /nasa/'s armour. While weapons can be attached to it, it's main use would be protection against whatever an exoplanet can throw against our explorer teams planetside. would protect against massive pressure, heat, cold, acid,... and while normal bullets would just bounce off, cannoballs could still knock out the pilot, and even damage it if they hit a joint or something

>>20087718
What practical use would a viewport like that be?
And dont you say psychological warfare!

>>20088210
easier thermodynamics!

Apparently /nasa/ woke something in /infinity/ that made them want to stop being isolationist. I fear our existence is seen as a threat to /infinity/ because they are no longer the most advanced technology in the world.

>>20088565
But unlike them, we can't expand even if we wanted to, haha! haha...ha...fuck. We're boned, aren't we?

>>20088565
They are just worried that their main export, Kronii Milk, could be substituted by /nasa/'s main export, Sana Chocomilk.

>>20088565
Nah, we cool /nasa/. We are isolationist chuunis, we act cool but we just want to be friends. We still are weirdo though. This is not official lore, but... we might be going this direction.
Gramps /inf/.

https://youtu.be/NZuqUofH6D4

/meat/ Supersoldier: Well, well, well... I leave for a day and... the Whomans are Crusading, while the KFPs are invading!

/who/ Supersoldier: *glares at the /meat/head*

/meat/ Supersoldier: /who/! It's only been two days but it feels like years! And you... uhhhmm... how are... whaddya say... Kiwawa? Uhh, /who/, what is this guy's name again?

KFP Supersoldier: *Grumbles*

/meat/ Supersoldier: Ohhh! Better watch out for hmmph here!

Kronie Commander: Meathead!

/meat/ Supersoldier: What!?

Kronie Commander: Release Restraint Level-

/who/man Grunt: Now hold on a minute! I dunno who you think you are, but my name's Alexios Papageorgiou Christodoulodrakoservopoulos of the 1st Meimei Divis-

/meat/ Supersoldier: Shhh... hush hush... Do you hear that?

/who/man Grunt: Do I hear wh- *Gets sliced in two by a thorny tentacle*

/meat/ Supersoldier: Hmmm. Must have just been the wind.

Kronie Commander: Fuck it, dropping the formalities! Meathead! 'Go have dinner'!

>>20088745
It would be more fun lore wise that they want to drop their isolationism and it's the current reason for the civil war.

>>20088201
>>20087718
>>20087651
Problem with power armor is that it has bullet proof plates and enhanced strength that would make /nasa/ invincible against modern armies. Besides space suits are adequate with having the same bullet absorbing technology that bread dogs have. It doesn't make us invincible, just resiliant. Also /nasa/ are space explorers, not world conquering warriors.

>>20088865
We think alike, you will see soon :D Gramps.

I keep trying to post the rentry link but 4chan keeps thinking I'm a bot or something. Please, just let me post it...

>>20089092
Wait for the next thread Rosebud and keep trying Rosebud...

>>20089092
you need change the link to rentry.org instead

>>20089092
Write .org instead, .co is spam for some reason

>>20089186
>>20089210
Ohh, thank you! I'll see if that works next time, then.
>>20089182
Should I wait for the next thread? Is it going to get put up soon?

>>20086968
>>20086789
Explain these
>>20086905
>>20086762

Good news. /nasa/ finished the rough draft of the bakeries for /who/. Our primary product will be bread and pastries, but we will have ice-cream, smoothies, and juices. If we can secure trade for coffee and tea them we'll sell those too. Ice houses are a given as they will store both ice and perishables we need. 1/3rd of the building will be the store where we put products on display. We will have an outside dining area with umbrellas and tables. Umbrellas can be made out of leather. 2/3rds of the building will be deticated to the kitchens. We'll have counter tops to prepare dough and batter. Mixers and blenders to prepare frostings and drinks. Wood burning stove ranges to make custards and other hot ingridients. And we'll have a wall of brick ovens at varying temperatures to bake whatever we need. Some dishes that are based on meat and fish have to be ordered in advanced due to how long it takes to prepare them. We're also going to be hiring and training local bakers as /nasa/ doesn't have the people to run the operation. They'll be paid for their work obviously. And local bakers are free to experiment and invent new ideas for products.

If we can get trade with /risu/, /uuu/, and /rose/ then we can add nuts, tea, and fruit pastries. I suppose if /who/ has no problem with /meat/'s cacao then we can trade to have chocolate pastries and puddings.

>>20089312
They usually are up in no time after the the previous thread reaches bump limit...

>>20089708
We wait until the thread is archived normally.

>>20089683
>>20002471
Anchoring before its too late.

>>20089683
Is this an international trade where an entire country gets involved or a small private owned deal?

>>20088014
>malevolent
Your intentions are irrelevant when you are dominating a different thread, especially for reasons of self interest.

>>20089683
Is that ice-cream made with Sana's chocomilk?

>>20089683
Good job! Right now, the Republic is much more interested in obtaining coffee trade, /meat/ mentioned not having much of that, so I'm looking for what other generals have to offer regarding their coffee.

>>20087810
I don't want to tell you guys how to write for your thread but maybe some lore regarding why you were, at least at one point, isolationist and why, how and who is involved in the constant civil wats might be in order? It would certainly give those details a bit more weight to them.

>>20089828
It depends on who owns the land. Either way /nasa/ will have to pay rent and taxes for operating in /who/. We can supply our own flour and sugar, but we're also open to using local ingridients.

>>20089980
And that is exactly our next step after this, it's on agenda already.

>>20089312
if the links aren't working, you could just wait until next thread and post it across multiple posts their.

Are we heading towards the fabled /who/-/nasa/ Hypermodernism Ending?

>>20090097
That's my plan, yeah. I'm waiting for the next thread, where I'll try to post the org link instead. If that doesn't work, I'll just post it across multiple posts.

>>20090128
Stop giving Superappleman ideas...

>>20090170
Proof next thread?

>>20089856
Everyone is operating in self interest. /who/ didn't conquer /uuu/ to help the Kirins.

>>20081155
>while /who/ annexed /uuu/ to maybe one or two people complaining
One of the anons that complained, I still I'm not fine with it but the thread at that time didn't seem to have any objections to them doing it so I dropped it. Glad that the inf debacle brought this back up, though it sounds to me that, like inf, who didn't have any bad intentions by making that move on the surface, that is, for both nations, so I think something may be negotiated.
We could have who give uuu their land back, and instead have an alliance and right to move through their borders with no tariffs. Who can also go to the uuu thread and ask if they can write lore for them, to establish some trade deals and stuff, that would be checked by this thread to see if they're reasonable.
As to why inf was specifically scrutinised, it's been explained enough already so I'll leave it at that.
>>20086154
No
>>20086773
>I just find we being part of the world is a more interesting approach to write stuff and give us reasons to interact more /here/ and with other map-friendly threads
Others did too, which is why we questioned your isolationism early, and one of the reasons nuefag had you with the rest of the council members and closer to many of your possibly relevant trade partners. You pushed for the isolationist Island approach and got it, deservedly I think, but then backtracked out of one of your core lore points and reasons of your placement, hence the backlash.
>was to establish us as a trading nation with links to every continent of the world
The thing with this, as was also pointed out before nuefag had left, is that your island is pretty far out in the ocean. I'm not much of a history/naval/trading buff so my knowledge is limited, but I feel like it'd be challenging to maintain regular trade routes with the nations closest to you, Eastern side of the Holo and Niji continents and Western side of the indies, nevermind becoming a trading hub, for all the continents even. Your route to meat is really long, and you literally couldn't be further from the fetish continent or ggg and the rest of the middle part of the Holo continent, including hlgg. I appreciate you attempted to solve this with the canal, but it's been deemed impossible by many, so I'd instead suggest the road through risu you're planning, and the employment of rental boats on the other side, though I'm not sure how much time that would actually save.
>>20087810
>sorry for the long wall of text
Don't be, walls of text are sometimes necessary to properly explain stuff, literally read this post lmao
>>20084681
As a nation that has a literal flower as its borders, I'm willing to give pyon their rabbit island, if its made to look semi natural.
Picrel was me fucking around the paint tools on my phone so don't take it that seriously, but it may serve as inspiration or something. I figured the inside of the island would have a large mountain in the middle, with steep cliffs to the south, smoother hills to the east, west and north, to resemble the snout, and two rivers ending in lakes to the northeast and northwest to resemble the eyes. I also played around with the ears, fragmenting one of them into smaller island, and folding the other. The extra river on the left island was meant to act as the folding line, but it may not be necessary. The island itself may (need to) be volcanic.
>>20087482
>butterfly stroking through space.
It can butterfly stroke through my pants if you know what I mean

>>20090699
Shit just noticed we're past bump limit, I'll repost this next thread

>>20090699
In /infinity/'s defense, they don't really have strong ties to any of the other council member's splits outside of the various horny poster or shitposter visiting /infinity/.
I wouldn't be shocked if /infinity/'s land glad was done in response to /who/ annexing /uuu/.

>>20090699
I will answer this before the thread closes: I wasn't there when the island position and isolationism was decided. That being said, all my mental process for the new direction I pushed was _because_ we are in that geopolitical position and because write _around_ isolationism is a fun challenge. We will develop this more as we get to expand our lore.

Before the thread dies, I have something to say:
Infiniggers. That is all.

>>20091087
Yeah, I agree their ties are loose, and it might've been a response to who, I'm just making some stuff clear.
>>20091147
>I wasn't there when the island position and isolationism was decided
The "you" used there was plural, many posters from inf pushed for it so that was the result. If you'd been there it may have been different (I'm doubtful), but that's irrelevant at this point.
>We will develop this more as we get to expand our lore
And we shall await patiently. Despite the arguments, I know kronies write really good lore

>>20091389
ok reddit.

>>20091389
Based

>>20091480
You get banned on reddit for saying the n-word. Tell me reddit, am I the a-hole?