/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES

>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>19962657
Smoking is bad for your health

>>19962998
Yeah

/#/ is declining.

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>35,477: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>27,369: Miko (Hololive)
>22,101: Botan (Hololive)
>19,328: Pekora (Hololive)
>19,133: Kronii (Hololive)
>18,992: Noel (Hololive)
>16,465: Korone (Hololive)
>16,220: Shion (Hololive)
>15,832: Mumei (Hololive)
>15,335: Kiara (Hololive)
>13,224: Hal (Neo Porte)
>12,439: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,152: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,980: Patra (774 Inc.)
>11,737: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,617: Ange (Nijisanji)

>be surprise guest in a collab
>completely steal the show
>one random gesture you do becomes viral in the entire community, hundreds of gorrilions of views and a fuckton of art
How does Gura keep doing it? This is exactly the same thing like with the glowstick.

>>19963085
Hey Bud

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>35,477: Kuzuha (Nipplesanji)
>27,369: Miko (Hololive)
>22,101: Botan (Hololive)
>19,328: Pekora (Hololive)
>19,133: Kronii (Hololive)
>18,992: Noel (Hololive)
>16,465: Korone (Hololive)
>16,220: Shion (Hololive)
>15,832: Mumei (Hololive)
>15,335: Kiara (Hololive)
>13,224: Hal (Neo Porte)
>12,439: Kanae (Nipplesanji)
>12,152: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,980: Patra (774 Inc.)
>11,737: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,617: Ange (Nipplesanji)

>>19963118
>MARCH 2022 GOLD
1) Botan (Hololive) - 38,974 - Vampire Survivors
2) Nene (Hololive) - 91,087 - Birthday 3D Live
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 31,971 - ARK Collab
4) Roboco (Hololive) - 52,777 - Anniversary 3D Live
5) Miko (Hololive) - 125,971 - Birthday 3D Live
6) Hayase (Nijisanji) - 72,274 - 3D Debut
7) Miko (Hololive) - 49,481 - Horse Gacha
8) Suisei (Hololive) - 45,347 - Karaoke
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 52,779 - Clubhouse 51 Totsu
10) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 35,477 - Valorant custom

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY*

>19,133: Kronii (Hololive)
>15,843: Mumei (Hololive)
>15,335: Kiara (Hololive)
>9,725: Mori (Hololive)
>8,476: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>7,257: IRyS (Hololive)
>6,952: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>6,888: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>6,740: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>6,513: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>6,127: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,404: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,302: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,298: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)

>>19962998
It looks really cool when anime girls do it though

You can tell people don't actually watch streams if they think Watame vacated her late night slot.

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>19,133: Kronii (Hololive)
>15,843: Mumei (Hololive)
>15,335: Kiara (Hololive)
>9,725: Mori (Hololive)
>8,476: Luca (Nijisanji)
>7,257: IRyS (Hololive)
>6,952: Vox (Nijisanji)
>6,888: Shu (Nijisanji)
>6,740: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,513: Alban (Nijisanji)
>6,127: Vox (Nijisanji)
>5,404: Nina (Nijisanji)
>5,302: Fulgur (Nijisanji)
>5,298: Ike (Nijisanji)

>>19963308
You're correct, I went back and checked and she was there for most of the week.

>Millie on her way to have her third sub 1k stream this month

And I thought that Selen getting like 700 people watching her play Demon Souls was bad enough

>>19963607
EN Gold so far for March

1. Gura (Hololive) - 18,401 (Vampire Survivors)
2. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 13,675 (Drawing Noctyx)
3. Gura (Hololive) - 29,065 (Elden Ring)
4. Mori (Hololive) - 20,340 (Elden Ring)
5. Mori (Hololive) - 32,469 (English Lesson with Gura, La+, and Iroha)
6. Vox (Nijisanji) - 21,483 (400k Endurance + Celebration)
7. IRyS (Hololive) - 20,211 (Birthday party and Totsu)
8. Gura (Hololive) - 17,364 (Project Diva Mega Mix)
9. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 12,491 (We Were Here w/Ike)
10. Kronii (Hololive) - 19,133 (Ring Fit Adventure)

Hololive - 7
Nijisanji - 3
Others - 0

>>19963817

>>19963142
Reminder that niji intentionally patched out the ability for their home3D models to make the middle finger gesture because the livers would do it all the time.

>>19963817
The very sad thing is that it's her first Pyre stream. And it's a fairly long game.

>>19964080
Didn't happen. Niji management doesn't know how internet works so they removed it, not because their streamers would do it all the time.

NijiEN... ;-(

I'll say Fulgur (and others) did a huge disfavour to his branch by running his mouth, no Noctyx will be at a very hard position of having to catch up with Luxiem

>>19964502
>doesn't know how internet works so they removed it
Wut? What does that even mean?

>>19962680
>>19962657
Isnt this the artist who made artworks for takayan's songs?

>>19964586
I finally dropped Reimu, just like I did to Sana earlier.
Now I'll be free from NijiEN stream recommendation.

>>19964696
>I finally dropped Reimu
Genuine curious

>what drove you to her in the first place?
>what drove you away from her?
>what was the final straw?

>>19964586
kek, one of the boys actually fell to 3 digits. Both of them are taking lessons of APEX from
>check notes
R-Reimu?

Did Selen distance herself from the boys or something?

>>19964586
What the fuck, it's such a free slot right now too.
Ina doesn't start for another half hour.

>>19964680
Yeah he did some of his thumbnails

I just browse through the previous thread and what the fuck is happening to /#/? Seems like the level of retardation have been skyrocketing these past few days. Anons really be eating up baits like african children seeing pizza for the first time and literally replying to shitpost seriously. Just who are (you) newfags and where are (you) came from?

>>19964934

>Did Selen distance herself from the boys or something?

nah, she has a apex collab with fulgur and alban later.

>>19964934
Yes. Right from the start, she didn't really fawn over the guys like the other girls would. It was also hurting her numbers and SC income. Doesn't help that the guys would randomly barge in on their membership streams.

>>19964934
Millie is i2 hours in and reclined from 800 CCV. That won't help her given that it's #1

>>19964993
The NijiEN discord leaks changed everything. The mask is off now.

>>19965049
And with Matsuri wrapping up now the #1 streamer in this slot is
> a VSPO girl

>>19963201
>>19963607
>>19963839
Kys

>>19965049
And #2 is tomorrow.

>>19964586
>I'll say Fulgur (and others) did a huge disfavour to his branch by running his mouth
I doubt that incident had any major impact on Noctyx's performance, at best it discouraged some people who were unlikely to ever leave the holobox from branching out. If anything repeating this narrative is an excuse for Noctyx more than anything, their mediocre numbers are of their own doing (and shows that the NA market for male Vtubers is either just that small or they failed to capture most of it)

>>19965044
>she has a apex collab
APEX collab is par for the course for an APEX chuuba. I meant in the sense of regular streaming

>>19963201
imagine being this butthurt and mindbroken over nijisanji kek

>>19965158
>I doubt that incident had any major impact on Noctyx's performance
That was not my point, what I meant is that it will add pressure for results given that he raised his own bar (and that of his wave-mates)

>>19964934
I thought Sonny was the TF2 guy? Does he suck at FPS that aren't TF2?

>>19963817
Selen wasn't streaming demons souls. That was a video premiere of her vod from the twitch stream. dont lie anon

>>19965119
Vspo is consistently dominating Nijis at these hours, but niggers here would always say they aren't growing at all.

>>19965170
at this point it has to be ritual posting.

>>19965119
30 minutes #1 congratz

>>19965045
I still can't get over that shit. That guy just joined mid-member stream, with no prior annoucement, and the fan just eat it up ?
I know it was Reimu, but still, i would be pissed.

>>19965222
He didn't raise his bars or from his wavemates when he didn't say anything about noctxys being above hololive. Besides, fulgur does a lot of actions since the beginning to not be more popular. Fulgur is kind of crazy, guy was talking about euthanasia and suicide yesterday on the vox collab.

>>19965358
Suicide baiting is a tried and tested method for gaining pity subs and super chats so that just contradicted what you said about him not wanting to be popular.

>>19965358
>He didn't
You're correct, I just re read the cap, it was Finana

>>19965433
He was talking about suicide and euthanasia and him being in favor to euthanasia, not that he would kill himself. Outside of this, he keep fighting against vox all the time, shutting down fujos, putting 10 mods in chat to control it to his rules and much more. if you observe most of his actions, it's clear what he's been doing. He's the Hana of EN and he just began.

>>19965222
Ah, fair enough. I am still interested in tracking Noctyx's progress since most of them seem to be sticking to NA. Both Luxiem and Noctyx had a good amount of NA friendly streams yesterday that went above 5k. Not all that impressive, but it does make me a bit more optimistic for Holostars' prospects. Hololive has a better base of NA viewers, there's a chance that they don't completely flop

>>19965491
Neither it was finana. She talked about luxiem earning more than holo jp, and the only thing that makes sense in that reasoning is her talking about a lot of luxiem including vox being in the top 10 above many holos. And that part is true.

>>19965507
Why even join a corpo then ? He would have gotten an even smaller community by staying a indie

>>19965507
I have to imagine most people are in favor of euthanasia. Wanting people to only live in a vegetative state or in immense pain is kinda weird.

>>19965358
Fulgur definitely had a chance of being the #1 from Noctyx but he intentionally (cope? don't know) pissed off many people from the start. Uki doesn't exist (He should really just do singing and ASMR streams). Sonny is too restrained. Alban is likeable but is in the wrong timeslot. And now the Japs are pissed at Yugo for being a woman who can't play games.

As a person of Anycolor I can say Niji kind of fucked up with this wave. It's not the Niji brand holding them back this time; they're all just mediocre.

>>19965576
He likes Nijisanji, he was a clipfag for JP. Maybe he just wanted to be part of it to collab while still stream. Idk my boy, can only say what I'm seeing and how he has a big grip on what he wants his chat and audience be.

Has there been any mention that HoloEN's male wave would even be called Holostars? If they're holding auditions for male HoloEN members it'd be a dick move to suddenly slap them with the Holostars label

>>19965491
Yep, it was Finana if I'm not mistaken. She was sour graping the whole time I think she inadvertently put pressure on the group.

>>19965562
I thought this was already debunked? Do nijiniggers have their own data that we didn't know about?

>>19965710
the audition video is on the official holostars channel

>>19965710
0% chance its regular holoEN, ofcourse its stars

>>19965636
I think it's too early to call out those kind of things. I don't think they will reach luxiem numbers but they will be above most of the girls, even the lowest one. (i wish my oshi was a man to get 2k automatically with the luxiem fanbase)

>>19965769
Vox was the highest in last month's superchats but he's an anomaly and she wasn't counting MUH MERCH SALES

>>19965710
Aren't they a branch of Holostars? Hololive is an all-female group.

>>19965358
>>19965507
>>19965641
The fuck is wrong wih this dude? He reeks of incel

>>19965769
How was that debunked anon? The only way that Fianan's argument makes sense is if she was talking about SC earnings on january and february. That's also the only place where she could compare hololive numbers.

>>19965780
If they want EN Holostars they should say they're recruiting for EN Holostars.

>>19965833
He's a fudanshi and bisexual anon. He had a girlfriend in his PL as well.

>>19965852
Why? Are you a marketing specialist?

>>19965562
>She talked about luxiem
Here is the exact quote

>Luxiem/noctyx earn as much as their successful JP livers
That "/noctyx" killed their kitten in the crib if they fail to live to the expectation of at very least carrying themselves to be worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as Luxiem

>>19965636
>As a person of Anycolor
Do nijiniggers really?

>>19965803

>but they will be above most of the girls

That's not really a high bar..
Luxiem brought a whole new audience, being above the girls should be the minimum for them.

>>19965831
It's a recruitment for "Male Vtubers for Hololive English" and most of the redditors that make up HoloEN's fanbase absolutely do not mind males

>>19965812
>>19965843
You guys are actually lying lmao. She didn't say Vox or super chats or whatever. Look at this anon's post >>19965882

>>19965924
you are in for a rude awakening if thats what you believe

>>19965880
Because it's lying

>>19965924
Dyrb?

>>19965924
So you are trolling, ok

>>19965924
Are you perhaps a reddit mod there? How about you get the fuck out and stay there?

>>19965924
>most of the redditors that make up HoloEN's fanbase absolutely do not mind males
They don't mind the males, don't watch the males, don't superchat the males, don't make fanart of the males and for the most part don't even talk about the males.

>>19966020
Male Vtubers for Hololive English

It's amazing how strong Ema's retention rate is.

>>19966078
hey they saw the winning son meme clip once, that makes them hardcore fans

>>19966078
Then there's no reason to shove them into the Holostars box and look even worse. Not to mention that the west is still unfamiliar with idol culture and introducing new Hololive Vtubers only for the Hololive girls to never interact with them will look really weird.

>>19966180
t. homobeggar

>>19966109
>Male Vtubers for Hololive English
While that's true it was posted by the holostars official account

That's a distinction without a difference, Hololive Productions got all seven dragon balls and unified their branches all into Hololive Productions: Hololive, Holostars, INNK

>>19966140
sleeping viewers are quite good for retention.

Hello, fellow Cover interns. Suisei's newest song is at mere 182k after 12 hours, so I ask you to redouble your shilling efforts, so it could match the previous ones in speed to reach 1M. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9r6lFYK9SE

>>19966180
so you are saying the girls have to carry the homos, please, the only solution for you is the Rope and a high place.

>>19965119
Vspo has better numbers per capita compared to Nijisanji.

>>19965636
Luxiem took a couple of months to build their numbers, could it not happen with these guys too?
I've never watched either so I have point of comparison as to their actual abilities as streamers.

>>19966078

>>19966180
>only for the Hololive girls to never interact with them will look really weird.
Wut? Didn't Baelz, Mumei and Calli collabed with Holostars already?

Westerners are really familiar with idol culture tho
>pic related
they just don't give it silly names or more importance than it warrants

>>19965710
Audition video on holostars channel.
Reddit thread made by holostars account.
Holostars subreddit was taken over by management.

Add 2+2 together. Also you talking about dick move. A real dick move would be putting EN males under Hololive. That would be slap in face for HolostarsJP.

>>19965769
comparison between council and luxiem as example for totals and last 30 days

Total SC revenue for Council is

Sana - $99,303
Mumei - $114,158
Fauna - $100,209
Kronii - $200,154
Baelz - $158,598

Last 30 days

Sana - $1,410
Mumei - $17,747
Fauna - $10,061
Kronii - $13,705
Baelz - $44,560

Luxiem Totals

Vox - $243,801
Luca - $146,027
Ike - $139,942
Shu - $103,565
Mysta - $106,779

Luxiem 30 days

Vox - $120,172
Luca - $82,095
Ike - $51,730
Shu - $43,108
Mysta - $39,285

>>19966259
What's HoloJP Girls looking like on this list?

>>19966258
>yes

>>19965882
You're right, Noctyx is in there and my bad for that. But Finana is a retard to mention them when they barely even had monetization at the time.

>>19965924
>redditors
If you haven't figured out by now they are the unicorns shitting up threads whenever a holo interacts with a guy because they can't do it on reddit or they will lose their precious internet points.

>>19966328
Then they should say Holostars EN. None of this explains why they're not just saying "Holostars EN"

>>19966364
Not worth comparing for.

>>19964774
>what drove you to her in the first place?
I actually like her design.
And looking at her debut, I thought she is supposed to be great at singing or have potential.
>what drove you away from her?
Not long after her debut, she started to do her collabs stream. I find those stream not really for me. But solo games stream are ok. But once she finally do karaoke stream for public, it's not as fun as I expected.
>what was the final straw?
There is none.
I just find that she is not really for me, other than her sex design.

Meanwhile I watched Koyori random stream and I fell in love with this high energy pink hag.

>>19966259
when you have about 20 male and female with less than 1k viewers as average and 107 members, it will look like that. it's a retarded comparison but the thread isn't here for being analysis to numbers, just tribal shit, unfortunately.

>>19966297
I don't think they ever dipped this low. I can see Alban getting Luxiem numbers and Sonny will be good with the right games but the rest just seem fucked

>>19966437
Then they should post on Hololive EN. None of this explains why they're not just posting on "Hololive EN"

>>19966439
Oh jesus

>>19966468
At least you ended up somewhere good, pink hag will fill your days with happiness.

>>19966476
All of them inflate their total viewers as a box. Why is it a stupid metric?
It shows that Nijisanji favors quantity over quality, flooding each time slots with low quality streams to corner the market.

>>19966259
Instead of the "median of medians" you can just take the median of the all streams of the group.

>>19966258
Hololive carry each other; that's how they operate and that's why even the least talented ones (Roboco) have a decent floor.

>>19966497
Fulgur has been getting over 2k viewers most of the time even with all of his debuffs, so I actually think he might grow. Yugo is a mystery due to how new he is to streaming, similar to oliver and akane were. Uki is the one that might suffer but not by much, he wont reach reimu lower end at all.

>>19966579
Roboco is still more talented than half of HoloEN and shitters like Haachama and Matsuri

>>19966569
Hololive also favors quantity over quality anon, they have over 50 members while vspo has only 14. it's funny as a vspo fan to see holo fans act like the company isn't the second largest of this industry in size.

>>19966682
cmon bud, that's a little on the nose

What the fuck? I just checked Vox's channel and he got 20k subs in 4 days (counting from the 400k celebration stream he did). When will he stop growing? How did nobody see how big this fujo market was before?

>>19966468
>she started to do her collabs stream. I find those stream not really for me. But solo games stream are ok.
Same thing for Choco for me. Love her solo gaming streams, bail on the collab ones.

>>19966476
>when you have about 20 male and female with less than 1k viewers as average and 107 members,
The reason the median is used is usually to smooth out the outliers.

When comparing groups it's usually to make an "histogram": to define some ranges and see how many fall in each box.
0-2k: x streamers, y median
2-5k: x2 streamers, y2 median

Not unlike what nijiblokes used to do what that "pyramid" they made with 10k+ on top

>>19966476
You see this?
Nijisanji's total viewers as a box is high, but that's because they have many low quality streamers.
Just because the numbers doesn't agree with your preconceived notions doesn't mean it's useless. Knowing the context is important for this.

>>19966569
it's stupid because you are comparing an agency with 14 members against an agency with 107 members. Of course the one with less members will have better median. Nijisanji could have 50 vtubers with 20k and the 20-30 ones below 1k still would bring the median down.

>>19966795
>Of course the one with less members will have better median.
You're fucking retarded. Just look at Hololive and Vspo >>19966439

>>19966730
He will pass Kuzuha as the top of Nijisanji within 1 year.

>>19966730
His subs aren't getting culled, just look at Mikeneko's absurd growth and it's clear that certain channels are affected more than others

>>19966730
he is genuinely really fucking funny and his ASMR is good too and it doesn't even seem like he has to try for it
If anyone deserves growth like that it's him
t. not Vox

>>19966730
There's not many people willing to intentionally go after the fujo audience anon. There's a reason it's pretty ignored/niche in japan.

>>19966928
Vox stop posting

>>19966730
>When will he stop growing?
Never for as long as he continues his bit

>How did nobody see how big this fujo market was before?
Not every streamer is willing to go the lengths he goes. He also has the "gaijin" pass, a japanese streamer doing that would quickly be shamed into compliance.

I made a comparison with Coco the other day and it's the same thing: both Vox and Coco used their gaijin pass to the full extent to be able to pull stunts that wouldn't be acceptable for locals
>wtf is a feet compilation? all I know is a xvideos creampie compilation

No EN would ever be able to pull that one stunt in the EN market, nor would a JP be able to do it in the JP market, not as often as Coco did.
But an EN would be able to do that in the JP market, and Vox, an EN speaking, is able to do it in the SEA/China market for the same reason

>>19966730
vox gets about 5k-4k per days for months.
as for the fujo market, nijisanji is already in it for years. they just found out another part of it for their en branch.

you can see here vox growth compared to other nijisanji:

Fastest to reach 400k in Nijisanji:
Vox Akuma - 79 Days
Hoshikawa Sara - 475 Days
Suzuhara Lulu - 479 Days
Otogibara Era - 479 Days
Ars Almal - 546 Days
Lize Helesta - 593 Days
Ibrahim - 619 Days
Honma Himawari - 621 Days
Tsukino Mito - 625 Days
Fuwa Minato - 626 Days
Ange Katrina - 632 Days
Furen E Lustario - 672 Days
Inui Toko - 694 Days
Mayuzumi Kai - 705 Days
Sukoya Kana - 725 Days

he's going to reach 1 million this year, probably after Kanae does.

>>19966331
you can see here how luxiem already are about to surpass many if not all council.

>>19966933
Well, there certainly will be now that Vox is making 50k a month.

>>19966854
read the entire statement instead of picking just a single point and not understanding the entire point.

>>19967075
I've read it. Learn basic arithmetic will you.

why do we have to have the vox dick sucking discussion 6 times a day

>>19966705
>Hololive also favors quantity over quality anon, they have over 50 members while vspo has only 14.
wat? do you know what quantity over quality means? if cover's doctrine were quantity over quality they would've pushed out way more holostar and hololive gens

He's the new King.

>>19967019
damn, vox is breaking records all around. guess quite a few nijien will be part of this list in a few months, at least luxiem, elira, finana and selen

>>19967041
anon, his own branchmates are refusing despite being in the best place to do so.

I think this captures the current pecking order of vtubers.

>>19967169
vspo began one year after hololive and they still only have 14 members. they put out much less vtubers than hololive and to join the agency you need to be a gamer and almost a pro. you can't go to me and say they value quality over quantity when they put out 10 vtubers just last year while vspo put out just 3.

Ina 10k get

>>19967237
Would work better with a box on 4-5

>>19967178
Finana is dead, she reached her limit already.

>>19967237
I think you like to pick up very convenient times to make up your narratives, anon.

>>19967237
needs a new male wave

>>19967304
Finana gets about 1k per day in average. She still would be fast for nijisanji standards, retard-kun. Finana already was one of the fastest to reach 200k and 250k.

>>19967237
>>19967294
You're right. JP streamers are always superior to their EN counterparts.

>>19967237
still betting 15k Ina eventualy

>>19967237
It's funny to think that the guys are also relatively unculled too so it's closer to their true number than everyone else in the list.

seems like koyo fucked herself over with the move, her streams have started to buffer since it happened

>>19967019
I do kinda wonder how nijisanji as a whole will handle someone like Vox and his brand of streaming as their top star. Sure, people here will say that subs don't matter because Kuzuha will still pull his 20k+ minimum CCV regardless of what he does. But as shown by their JP livers and even Holos, sub numbers is still a really big deal over there. With his currect growth, and assuming he doesn't drop off a cliff, we could very well be looking at him as the highest subbed member of the company sometime next year. How will that affect relations between the main branch and NijiEN? Would Nijisanji start pushing him as one of their main attractions, regardless of what kind of content he does? Afterall, even the most degenerate livers over there are surprised at how shameless they are. How will that affect Vox as a streamer? We all know how uncomfortable Gura was when she raced pass both FBK and Korone. And although I doubt he reacts the same way, I'm curious how he'll react to being the top dog in terms of subs and SC.

>>19967395
It's kinda disgusting to be honest that NijiEN would shit on their JP livers just cause they got ahead on SC income in one particular month.

>>19967444
Ina have a decent floor but her peaks are always pretty low this have been known for a while.

>>19967255
that either means they can't afford more people or they're extremely selective about who they want in. the hololive hires are all quality hires if we use numbers as a metric. again, go read the definition of quantity over quality, I don't think you know what that phrase means.

>>19967384
No one watches her, she has lower CCV than freaking Rosemi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD42ce_XJw
>3 situps for every death
How will this affect her numbers? And her smell?

>>19967591
they didnt shit on anyone from nijisanji. you have to be a schizo to not know how to interpret a sentence.

>>19967654
I'm talking about subs if that wasn't obvious

>>19967588
>Would Nijisanji start pushing him as one of their main attractions, regardless of what kind of content he does?
I mean, why wouldn't they?

>>19967255
Stop consolidating HoloEN, HoloJP, HoloID and Stars into one.
I think debuting at maximum 1 gen per year for each branch should be proof that Cover prefer quality over quantity,

>>19967588
>Afterall, even the most degenerate livers over there are surprised at how shameless they are.
Source?

>>19967444
Looks stalled out already

>>19967624
> the hololive hires are all quality hires if we use numbers as a metric
it's extremely retarded to think numbers are correlated to quality hires, even more post-2020 for hololive.
Besides, my point with vspo is to show that hololive isn't some small company, they have almost 100 vtubers at this point and will reach that point in a few years. This argument can't be used like that, even more when other agencies, including vspo itself, hire less and have their own, even if like 2-3 are below 1k ccv.

>>19967664
Depends on the noises she makes doing the situps.

>>19967733
Subs are useless if there's no one to watch and superchat you.

>>19967752
I'm comparing the whole company, it's not different than me talking about 200+ nijisanji. Vspo is just a single branch.

>>19966892
Anon, we know that the cull hits way harder for users who sub to multiple channels at the same time.
If people only sub to Vox, then maybe to 1 other guy in 1 week, it doesn't triggers cull as hard.

Unironically, YT would be forcing Vtuber groups to debut gens/waves with gaps.

>>19967750
It's a bit embarrassing when your #1 star is a shameless coomer, especially when Nijisanji appeals more to the normie market in Japan.

>>19967822
12k GET, will still grow

>>19967858
I don't care anon, read the fucking conversation where it's about fastest subs in nijisanji instead of changing the subject to live viewers. dont be an obnoxious retard.

>>19967750
Sponsors, we have just the talent to promote your products. He's basically a male prostitute simulator that caters to the Chinese! Wait no, don't leave!

>>19967921
Nijisanji always seemed to me more coomer-friendly than Hololive. They already have a bunch of degenerate stuff on the main branch.

>>19967921
Vox being 1 wouldn't change much because he lives in UK, not in JP, so he wouldn't be able to be supported as much as Kuzuha and otehrs with merchandise, concerts and other things.

>>19968037
What if they move him to Japan? Would he accept it?

>>19967828
then what metric do you propose to show whether a chuuba is a quality hire or not? raw number is the easy metric because people wouldn't want to watch boring streamers.

>>19967921
Kenmochi is a lolicon and he's one of the faces of the agency.

>>19968086
People pay to watch random twitch thots sleep. This is the numbers thread, not the quality thread, for good reason.

>>19967750
I mean Anykara is still a japanese company and we all know what happens when the main JP branch feels undermined by an overseas branch (e.g. Sega during the dreamcast). I'm just curious since Vox is unorthodox. Fuwa who styles himself as a host club chuuba doesn't even compare. You also have to consider that Niji in JP markets themselves to normies (not fujos) and to have someone who isn't a bro-streamer like Kuzuha and who also has language barrier issues is sure to have it's problems. Gura I believe is an exception though since nips are more forgiving of moe characters.

>>19967828
>they have almost 100 vtubers
It's 52 for Hololive and 9 for Holostars.

>>19968163
>Sega during the dreamcast
Redpill me I'm a zoomer.

>>19967828
61 isn't "almost 100". At their current growth rate they won't hit 100 for 3-4 years. That's adding 5 JPs 5 ENs, 3 ID, and 3/3 Holostars/Stars EN per year.

>>19968200
You're missing Achan and OmegaAlpha.

>>19967803
There was a clip of Utako sharing her thoughts about the NijiEN boys posted here way back, and yes I know it's a clip but NijiJP clips tend to be less out of context(?) from my experience.

>>19968078
idk anon, im just doing theories on how things could work.

>>19968257
fixed it for you

>>19968078
Probably. Seems ambitious and money hungry. Only like 20 also, unless he's a caretaker for one of his parents he likely doesn't have a whole lot of commitments to worry about leaving.

>>19968200
>>19968257
that's more closer to 100 than vspo with 14. thats my point.

>>19968355
I saw that clip and she was getting wet over them saying it unleashed her fujo side.

>>19968459
youa re stretching so much you might be a rubberman

>>19968163
NijiEN is still managed by JP for the most part. A lot of what can be done for Vox only could be done in Japan, like concerts.
And I doubt Niji JP market themselves to normies while having tons of lolicons, shotacons and many vtubers that wouldn't go well with that demographic. It's still all otakus.

>>19963148
And some pics next time

>>19968459
Retarded way to show your point then, 52 (or 61) isn't "almost 100" as you said.

>>19968217
There are docs in youtube that you can watch although I'm too lazy to post them. TLDR if I still remember correctly: Sega JP kept kneecapping sega of america who actually had a lot of forward thinking ideas that would later get implemented into the XBOX (the main one being the push for online gaming as THE key feature for the dreamcast)

>>19968086
Not a number metric, otherwise Pew Die Pie and tons of of youtubers are more talented than hololive. outside of being subjective, you can see if a vtuber has quality by their talents be it streaming or non-streaming related.

>>19967828
>61 is almost 100
You have disqualified yourself from the numbers thread. Begone.

>>19968459
VSPO is a specialty company that just does esports type stuff, if they released people at the rate Nijisanji or even Hololive did they'd probably flood their own market segment. Same with that one singer specialized vtuber company (forgot the name), they can't go too wild with churning out new talents.

>>19968632
it's still the second largest agency in the industry, and that's my point about having quantity over quality for introducing more vtubers than they should. Its going to reach a time where no one will be able to keep it with everyone, they cant grow forever
HoloX getting comments about how redditors are already satisfied with the current ones and dont want more are a thing.

>>19968459
if your original point is to show how vspo is a much smaller company than hololive and it is still putting out respectable numbers, then that's fair. but you said cover favors quantity over quality which just isn't true. it's okay to say you screwed up your original phrasing.

>>19968570
Eh, say what you will about Kenmochi but motherfucker is very charismatic. Not to mention he knows when its time to be proffesional. Mito's a degenerate too but nowadays she knows that there's a time and place for that.

>>19968761
They need replacements as more of the old talents move into semi-retirement or people just get bored of them. There's a balance between Niji zerg rush and letting your roster completely stagnate.

>>19968790
as a vspo fan, to me both holo and niji are basically the same with how huge they are in comparison. it's why the argument you all do to nijisanji is funny to me when compared to the rest of the industry, hololive is huge as well but in smaller scale.

>>19968761
>redditors
Those retards were also clamoring for more Holostars-Hololive collabs, but as we could see from the numbers, when it actually happened they didn't even try to watch the streams.

>>19968925
>as a vspo fan, to me both holo and niji are basically the same with how huge they are in comparison
that's fair, I also think people often forget how big hololive's roster is.

>>19968883
fans still would have the mindset to "keep up with them". this complaint about hololive expanding with new members will come more and more with how many members keep coming to the group.

and isn't niji jp without a new wave since 2021? i thought only EN was going on.

>>19969032
redditors and twitter.

>>19968883
NijiJP have slowed right down in the last couple of years too.
And in some senses I think their strategy for the EN branch has been better than Hololive - Hololive left it far too long to debut a second gen.

>>19969037
>that's fair, I also think people often forget how big hololive's roster is.
That's mostly because the most involved fans know all of the members along with their branches and gens

>>19969098
>redditors and twitter.
Name a more cancerous pair

>>19969129
>And in some senses I think their strategy for the EN branch has been better than Hololive
the females are in the trash view wise.
only luxiem was a breakout and was not with en viewers.

>>19969129
It's certainly a slow down from the 44 in 2019, 12 in 2020 to 5 in 2021. I'm curious to see how things will be in 2022 considering how they closed every application in the branch besides VTA.

>>19968459
If you are not trolling, that's certainly Finana-like math skill.

Ina pandering to Koreans for the first time.

>>19968761
Before holoX I thought a gen 6 was unnecessary but now I can see they were needed, especially with Rushia gone and more Holos on long on short term breaks. There's no need to think about a gen 7 until the end of the year and seeing how it shakes out with graduations and members failing their throat/menhera reps

I don’t know if 15k is reachable, but Ina hitting 14k is pretty solid. It was looking a bit slow before but she steadily climbed up

>>19969261
let's be real, they aren't. Otherwise vspo girls for the most part are and anons here praise them for it with "pulling decent numbers". Most of the times they are all either over 1k and 2k, with only reimu and sometimes millie and Petra being in such position in their peak.

>>19968761
>Its going to reach a time where no one will be able to keep it with everyone, they cant grow forever
it is basic supply and demand. the market will keep growing as long as the product is good. if you don't make a move, then other companies will take over and provide the supply and you stop being the market leader. do it too soon and you will tarnish your brand name for flooding the market. that's why holox took over a year to come out while en is pushing out new holos at a "faster" rate. cover has been very careful with not upsetting the market ever since gen 4. hell, even nijijp is slowing down.

Ina sings KR song, machine gun hangul chats. If she were willing to court her fellow gooks, along with Kiara, Bae, and Kronii they could absolutely lock down that audience and rake in some extra SC. Shame she is anti numberfagging

>>19969129
>their strategy for the EN branch has been better than Hololive
Being the first to release a male wave is literally the only thing they ever did right. Anything else has been failure after failure.

>>19969041
That's the main point of the Gen system and collab bans. Even if you limited your debuts to just 1 per year, if the chuubas fail to consolidate a fanbase then yes that's when problems about roster size becomes a factor. The 1 month ban is there to focus the fanbase on that 1 gen. And you'll be surprised how much people can remember. As an /nba/ guy, for a league that has a minimum of 450 players, I'm confident that I can at least name 150+ players and know at least surface+ level info about them. My cousin whose more of a handegg guy can confidently name close to double that. And that's not even counting all those retired legends and some really good players that left an impression on the fanbase. So I guess it still goes back to the whole quality vs quantity argument.

>>19969041
>and isn't niji jp without a new wave since 2021
Edengumi added to NijiJP on July 2021.

>>19969393
holox was still pushing it a bit, a couple of holos are starting to fall off and holox is having trouble retaining a good ceiling, i'm guessing this is it until a few graduations happen

>>19969544
Let's wait and see shall we? I still wonder if having the face of your branch be someone who shamelessly panders to chink fujos might not damage the brand and perception of the branch, and hurt the female talent and the men who want to be bro tubers instead of gigolos. Let's see what it all looks like 6-12 months down the road shall we?

>>19969507
>Shame she is anti numberfagging
this feels like a reoccurring theme with holoen. I wonder if management tells them don't worry about the numbers and do whatever they feel comfortable with.

>>19969394
It's been a non-stop growth since the CCVID symptom. If she would do one more song after this, then 15k is doable.

>>19969507
>If she were
I absolutely don't doubt two things prompted an "all hands on deck" meeting and this general order
> increase your viewership however you can within the limits of this company rules

1) The proximity of Holofes and the end of the fiscal year
2) "That" discord leak

>>19969401
>let's be real, they aren't.
ema has 5k in mc alone right now. that is higher than any of the nijigirls alone ina game.
nijien females numbers are enough to sruvive but not enough to push their fanabse forward. Luxiem was miracle for them but doesnt look like noctys will help them in any shape or form.

>>19969650
At least that's what they told Sana, they're not concerned about her numbers.

>>19969620
>a couple of holos are starting to fall off
Which ones?

>>19969620
I swear wasn't there a chart a few days ago saying how holojp is back to being their best since Coco's graduation or something like that?

>>19969714
That's a misconception, they didn't say to Sana
>do whatever you want
and then she did.

She started doing whatever she wanted, then got worried she was not getting the numbers she thought she should be, then she asked management
> am I in trouble for not getting the numbers
and they said "no"

>>19969456
Yagoo flat out said he looks to see if the fanbase/market can support another gen, which is why I think the long wait between each gen will stay for JP.
As for NijiJP, they're trying to use their academy to produce their next wave from what I remember. Selejo getting crushed by Gen 5 was probably a wake up call.

>>19969261
>>19969544
The girls are still 3rd in the Western market, which is healthy enough for a brand that had very little recognition and launched into a much more established field. Ethyria was weak and a bit of a misstep, but a couple of them are doing decently now at least.
They'd be crazy not to have launched a second male gen as soon as was practical given the market they stumbled across.

Has Wactor really been going this hard lately?

>>19969650
I don't think Mori is anti numberfagging, consider she always has big plans for her career and always do it at the right time

>>19969650
>>19969714
Cover has a lot of data we don't, but the biggest risk for Cover or any vtuber company is their talent just up and leaving. They might be uptight about legal matters and Youtube paranoia but when it comes to content, schedules etc is obvious they don't push hard. It nothing else it breeds intense loyalty. If Sana eventually recovers and becomes a low/mid talent (she needs a ton of hours and polish as a streamer but she's pretty energetic, clever, and imaginative so I could easily see this happening) while also being a top tier illustrator she will probably be incredible loyal.

>>19969782
Wasn't really a chart, more like just a general list of how more and more HoloJP has been getting higher peaks than 2021, especially with their 3D concert/lives.

Elira, the last female bastion, kicked out of top 5, ManjisanjiEN fully set now....

>>19969892
yeah, hard at doxxing their own talent

Oh well, it was a valiant effort, Ina.

Ina your 15k encore...

>>19969892
Spics bring numbers but no money.

>>19969718
NTA, but I'm assuming he's referring to people like Marine and Shion who are having to take extended breaks due to physical or mental issues. There's also the issue that arises as more and more Holos start taking the idol route and have to fulfill more non-streaming obligations. Nijisanji had the same problem recently when they were prepping for their own concert earlier this year and if it weren't for luxiem they would have gotten even more embarassed by Hololive.

>>19969878
>he girls are still 3rd in the Western market,
the gap between vshojo and holoen with them is huge tough.is enough for they to survive but not enough for people to lok at the brand.
>They'd be crazy not to have launched a second male gen as soon
and noctys is thumbling views wise.

>>19969911
Pretty much. Each member still pulls in money for Cover, but if they push them for #s and they quit then they get 0. They probably make recommendations and managers will give advice, but trying to force things will just torpedo the gen

Ina was really close to 15K ...

Ina 100 viewers away from 15k

>>19969961
I have no idea why these dumb bitches don't just sing more
Elira, Enna, Reimu, and Millie are good but there's an utawaku maybe every two months and they just play a bunch of games they "enjoy" instead of playing to their strengths

>>19969989
She doesn't need to do any effort, she always gets those numbers on every stream because we takodachis are loyal unlike other fanbases.

>>19967444
So close...

>>19970050
Funny they were all from the same audition with such wild variation in quality

>>19970106
permisions and they arent as good.

>>19970106
Because they don't want to? What they do on their streams is their problem and their alone, you're literally a nobody and your advice is not needed.

>>19969989
She's not making an effort to reach any number

>>19970220
this unironically sounds like one of them lmao

>>19970106
Because they can't try to leech the males during utawaku

>>19970128
> Enter /#/ thread
> "N-number doesn't matter!"
Bruh

>>19969961
Eh.
With how hard the girls were shilling them before and during debut, I assume they'll have no problem with this. Also, the Discord leak showed us that they have no problem taking the boys' achievements as their own, so there's also that.

>>19970220
Why are you even on a discussion forum?

>>19969911
It's important to remember that every Hololive member is their own brand, them just being in the company makes them money. Even fucking Sana was making them money and she barely existed for the past month.

>>19969607
That's since 2021 anon...
>>19969678
Anon, ema is one of the most popular in vspo and she isn't a majority. I watch a lot of vspo and there's many in the branch who pull similar numbers or worse to nijien girls like Ren who most of the times is below 1k or even 500, Toto who's all the time below 500 and then you have Beni, Qpi and others who are in the 2k-1k ceilling.

>>19970220
Calm down, Reimu.

>go to #s thread
>complain when all people talk about is how chuubas could boost numbers
What the fuck is wrong with you fags

>>19970258
Both nijilivers and nijiniggers get so defensive after each embarrassing show.

>>19970220
Is this a twitter user?

>>19970267
I don't know how you managed to infer that from what I said unless you're actually medically retarded.

>>19970220
we're all literally nobodies, but if the girls want to grow/sustain their jobs they should be going for the things they're good at, the streams that reach 5k and 10k viewers instead of playing xenoblade for 500 viewers

>>19970220
Calm your tits Pomu

>>19970188
to be honest if it wsnt becasue of the fujobaiting luxiem would be just a little above the level of the girls. noctys needs to follow their steps.
>>19970320
they still reach higer ceilings than them alone and wihtout a big comapny to back them up or leeching of males doing fujobait.

>>19969878
Enna now pulls over 2.5k most of the times. She's the most popular in her wave. Then it's either Nina or Millie, depending on what they stream, and reimu. Millie depends a lot in what game she picks, but she pulls some good numbers in ASMR. Nina depends on who's she's leeching at the time.

>>19970220
lmao what are you doing here

Lol was it actually one of them

>>19970373
You don't understand, anon. They're going the slow and steady route.

>>19970220
>deleted
HAHAHAHAHH

>>19970366
> Ina: "I practiced really hard. Learning songs I haven't tried before."
> Takeks: "She didn't even try."

>>19970269
As far as I remember only Finana was doing that. Some of the other girls actually do still try with their content and don't just spam gacha because it's the only semblance of a buff they can get.

>>19970443
Yeah, I watch Enna from time to time, she's usually pretty funny. Her concert seems to have done well for her.

The Nijis should really not have mocked Council. Fauna has been streaming everyday now and mogging them.

>>19970220
t.reimu

Nijilivers gets triggered by /#/, but they keep coming back.
How is this thread so powerful?

>>19970439
Uh, have you missed how much Vspo collabs with Pro players or something, anon?
>>19970106
All of the ones you mentioned aren't numberfags. Between the girls, only Pomu, Nina and Selen are numberfags.

>>19969961
Based

>>19970439
Toto and Rene are at the level of bottom niji jp like hajime anon. Even hajime have reached those high numbers and much like with vspo, those are special events.

>>19970550
Council's numbers are not good by Hololive's standards; they're a literal downgrade from Myth and you can't deny that

>>19969878
>The girls are still 3rd in the Western market
Out of what, 4 "major" players? Not exactly a stellar look. Also seems pretty weird to admit they're 3rd while also claiming nijiEN's strategy is better than holo's.

>>19970220
I know you're not Reimu since she's streaming so I'm going to assume Finana

>>19970358
I swear theres been an influx of twitter users on this board very recently.

>>19970701
Are you still salty Kronii took the EN gold yesterday, fungus?

>>19970701
t.fungus covid

>>19970220
>deleted
Are you starting the stream now?

>>19970715
NijiEN could have the best strategy of the world and they wouldn't surpass hololive stronghold in the market. Holo had 1 year to control it and it's almost impossible to lose it unless they destroy it by themselves.
Besides, I would call nijien 2, because vshojo has different type of fans and are in a different platform. overall they still are 2, but I feel like twitch and youtube vtuber fans are largely very diffferent both in culture and in how they only watch yt/twitch vtuebrs.

>>19970701
They are almost the same level as JP Gen1. I don't know what you are smoking.

>>19970701
So you think Ame will get more viewers than Fauna today?

What did the deleted comment say?

>>19970864
Much like Noctyx is underperforming so far in comparison to luxiem, council is doing the same in relation to myth. Both cases they were breakouts for the agencies and their follow ups aren't in the same level. for obvious reasons ofc, as both came from a big hit n the market.

>>19970916
>Because they don't want to? What they do on their streams is their problem and their alone, you're literally a nobody and your advice is not needed.
There

>>19970916
Was just some Nijis venting. They can't help themselves it seems

>>19970868
Yes lol

>>19970916
They got really defensive about an off handed comment in a way only a woman can do.

>>19970715
Not at all. They came later with a much less established brand, I wouldn't expect them to challenge HoloEN. I just think the way they populated up to a group was a better approach than leaving it almost a year to add a 6th member and then another gen.
Hololive thrives with it's box, but they never had the numbers to build it for EN.

>>19969782
>wasn't there a chart a few days ago saying how holojp is back to being their best since Coco's graduation or something like that

Here is that same chart, updated to yesterday.In the bounce back from CCVID Hololive JP reached a
>10,377 median pf peak CCV

The high points before that were
>12,415 mid december, HoloX debut
>11,768 early July, Coco graduation
>10,208 end of February, Undertale, Haachama schizoLore, Coco 1M

Right now HoloJP is following the same pattern of Mar 2021 and reclining to what's now a little over 9k.

>>19970868
Doom is numbers cancer for Ame.

>>19970959
Yes, of course. As we all know, Myth is five Guras and Council is five Sana, right?

>>19970916
It was literally like a twitter comment you’d see from a kpop fan. It was something along the lines of “She doesn’t have to do anything. What she does is up to her. You’re literally a nobody”

>>19970959
Noctyx can't even beat the worst Luxiem member which is Ike. Council at least mogs some of Myth. Noctyx is the absolute failure here.

>>19971083
And hope is one irys

>>19971147
& irys!

>>19971083
>>19971109
I didn't call any of them failures. I don't consider either as such. I called them underperforming, as in, they don't reach the same levels of their predecessors. And that makes sense because those who came before were hits in the market. I can't make it more clear than that.
Also, Shu is the one who is the worst in numbers, not Ike.

IRyS numbers are so volatile. One month, she's top 5 EN, and next month, she's bottom 5.

dont bite it

https://youtu.be/jaPgt3z7tI4
Ema VSpo doing well tonight.
Though it does help that everyone just joins in for minecraft without streaming themselves.

no mercy for traitors

i wanna bite

>Ame is playing DE again
This bitch, I swear. She keeps dropping stuff just to pick it up later again. This isn't even the numberfag in me speaking, that's just a horrible work ethic for streamers in general.

fungus stop shitposting here and stream

>>19971337
>expecting any english vtuber group to do as well as first 6 months of Myth
ogey

I don't like how HoloEN seems all gunho about idol shit now. I'm not sure it will help stop the bleeding and may smother any renaissance in the crib.

>>19971448
the dream of a coco cameo for holofes4 still alive, i don't think they'd do it for this one, it's too early

>>19971448
BASED YAGOO

>>19971448
They unpersoned her so fast.
>>19971502
When would be the best time to announce a Coco arrival at Holofes? Unless they just make it a complete surprise. Screen goes black and all you hear is a "Good morning motherfuckers!".

>>19971448
Ouch.
Reminder that all of this could have been avoided had Rushia just turned off her internet and step away from the computer for a while.
Literally step outside and touch grass, you green bitch.

>>19971471
RENTFREEEEEEE

>>19971464
she never dropped it though, she played it right before she fucked off to go house hunting which took like 2 weeks, got back sometime last week to stream again and just now started playing it.

>>19971499
This is the numbers thread nigger. Go back to the Luxiem thread.

>>19971367
It feels like her base is kind of low, but buff streams are more effective for her numbers than most.

>>19971464
DE permissions are rtearded since you need to ask them one wek in advance.
so anyone that tries this game will drag it for months. There is a reason korone didint botter.

Doesnt help she puts a fram for the stream literally 5 minutes before stream and her shceudle is only avaialble on ehr freechat not twitter or comunity tab.

https://youtu.be/kV5JrOYPGhM
Kiara's original stream has 376k views
https://youtu.be/xke-bq0nuBQ
While clip of Gura flipping the bird has 560k
If this isn't proof that Chumpedos are clipniggers, idk what is

>>19971448
>Myth 3D leak would be a major yab
LEAK IT!

>>19971610
Not any more than anyone else. During her low months she just had a ton of debuff content and no buff content. She can't do her 3-4 karaokes a month anymore.

>>19971499
>now

>>19971062
If you ignore Coco's graduation tour and HoloX being a massive short term boost there is a really steady ebb and flow. Oscillations between 8k-10k seem to be the other of the day.

>>19971620
I don't blame them, watching Kiara's model spaz out for a hour wasn't the best viewing experience. Gura hatching improved the whole thing immensely.

>>19971620
More than half of that "collab" is just the orange woman and the blond pole. Most people like me only watched starting from the part where Gura came in so our views don't count in Youtube's algorithm.

>>19971062
And now, here is the same chart for NIjisanji JP. They also bounced back from CCVID but they're still trailing their mid November numbers

>>19971723
They're getting into it since HoloFes is around the corner.
>>19971602
It is numbers since I think it will hurt numbers if they enjoy being idols.

>>19971620
I’m just going to make a point here since clearly you haven’t been following shit, but that VOD was at 200-220k yesterday. Chumbuds literally boosted the vod up to near 400k and have been drawing countless fanart online, between Gura and Ametori. Instead of trying to act like a dipshit, maybe see how much influence Gura has in getting people MOTIVATED

Only 20k to go to 2m views and it's coming in hot
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8mfhG5GMsIo

>>19971755
???
What the fuck are you even saying? 30 seconds are all you need to be counted as a 1 view and Gura was revealed 30 minutes away from the end.

>>19971840
>It is numbers since I think it will hurt numbers if they enjoy being idols.
so numbers are feelings now

>>19971899
Youtube only counts views if you watch more than 50% of the video.

>>19971620
This clip has 2.7 million views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmr21ZZEhk
while the stream only has 551k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRLK9w5s6k4
Are ALL VtUber FaNs clipwatchers?

See how stupid your argument sounds.

>>19972032
>Are ALL VtUber FaNs clipwatchers?
at least the ones on twitter are

>>19971954
??????
Dude, clips created with the official program count as views on the vod. I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that you need to watch half a fucking vod to become a view. Case in point:
https://m.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1-kQjdFJnB2vQJn6QFKqG_Y8UNaKZejs

>>19971792
The volatility of HoloJP is worrying. NijiJP probably looks stable (the downward slope, not the fact it's trending down) because of the much bigger sample size. Hoolive looks way more touristy than Nijisanji.

>>19971792
And here is Nijisanji EN.
> LOOK AT THAT INCLINE
It is incredible how the boys inclined the whole branch overnight

>>19971954
Anon? Did you come from an alternate universe or something?

now that i think about it Does no one on nijien have art skills?
i dont even recall a drawing stream from them that wasnt a meme or random doodles.

>>19972097
>growth under ccvid
more proof it barely affected them at all

>>19972097
It pays to differentiate yourself from the competition

So what do >we think about the Jump King tournament? Is it going to crash and burn, or be mediocre or be successful?

>>19971912
No, the general trend in western audiences is away from idol stuff but 80% of myth seems to want to go that path. Even though Rushia got fired for being a leaking retard that shot herself in the foot in the worst way the public perception is she got fired for breaking the idol code.

>>19971792
I wonder if it would be wise for Anycolor to "drop" a big number of their talent and keep like 50 or so people based on numbers and some other factors like professonalism and ambition to make it as a streamer or a singer.

I know they don't pay them salaries but it would allow them to consolidate their fanbase and their efforts into a smaller group that would be much more easy to promote and support better. Imagine having to give 3Ds and outfits to literal whos that stream once a month if even that, instead of better performing and more professional members.

They can even allow the people that will "graduate" to license their models for free and continue streaming as indies, as a way to not get a lot of bad publicity, while still maintaining the option to remove the license if these former Nijis, now indies, try to join another company or so.

>>19972097
Did you make a separate chart for the girls? I want to see how they've been doing in general.

>>19971499
I think it's a necessary step to differentiate EN and ID from their competitors. As of right now Holo and Niji EN are both streamers with anime avatars who basically do the same thing. Having access to 3D studio with actual models (not the fan made ones)can revitalize audiences' interest and pull in new viewers as well. Even if some of them don't like to do idol stuffs, they can still fool around with 3D variety stream. It's vital that Cover gets the first mover advantage when it comes to having the first EN 3D streams to capture target audience.
The next question would be if the EN/ID girls are willing to move to be close to either Japan's studio or whatever studio of choice to further their own career, or do they view this as a short term, one to two year gig.

>>19972180
i hope it crashes and burns for inviting the beggars

>>19971448
Interesting the videos they put on the side for gen 4. The new orisongs from Kanata and Watame. The latest birthday live by Luna on the 10th of October. Coco's clipped out performance of Weather Hackers from her graduation. Then it's Towa's delayed first anniversary bandlive from the 17th of April lol. Why isn't Towa's the Scream live or FACT?
Also lol they put the pekomama stream for Pekora.

>>19972180
any participant list?

>>19972097
>>19972198
I would like to see a similar graph, too.

>>19972180
Mediocre.

Few members playing and most of them are trash at the game, the only competition is between Mori and Iroha

>>19972097
Females were a mistake. I'm kinda glad the boost and growth came from the males, it fits with order of the world and every metric was telling me NijiEN females only do worse and worse as time goes on.

>>19972180
the timing is shit
is way to close to holofest
should have done it AFTER it

>>19972182
>general trend
in your head maybe

>>19972267
>Iroha
fuck my oshi first tournament is mori's jump king
Fuck you mori!!!!!!!!!!

>>19972182
>public perception is she got fired for breaking the idol code
Not anymore it isn't. Even the fucking tourists are getting clued in. The only ones still thinking her being fired has anything to do with 'idol culture' are the shitters that infest Twitter.

>>19972097
>>19971792
Now
> BRACE YOURSELVES FOR THE SHOCK OF YOUR NUMBERFAG LIVES

This chart is provided without comments, except
> Nijisanji JP vs. Nijisanji EN

>>19971003
Wow, that does sound like Twitter tier bitching and moaning.

>>19972286
The males boost came off the back of a female viewership.

>>19972345
Wrong thread globaltard

>>19972180
Aggressively mediocre, more than Pokemon which was sort of fun in a limited way. Kiara and Ame are the only 2 ENs that can organize for shit.

>>19971497
That's why they are underperforming in comparison but not to hololive standards or compared to other agencies..

>>19971448
where did you get this?

>>19972376
no it didnt, they borught themselves a whole new audience.

>>19972462
my dad works for cover

>>19971840
Can you name a single holo that dropped in numbers from doing idoling? Aqua was the best example we had and it took months of neglect to drop significantly and then she got it all back by doing her hype Apex master challenge.

>>19972451
you're on the spectrum anon

>>19972199
Without being in lives with their senpai I'm not sure how much value there is to it besides showing it off. Maybe to escape shitting rigging.

>>19972502
tell your dad to tell yagoo that the fans want alt 3D outfits and bring back erolive

>>19971954
You're getting confused. 30 seconds is first viewing, subsequent views in the same day have to watch a certain amount of the video to be counted as another view.

>>19972511
If it encourages Gura to make more songs, I'd see it as a big win.

>>19972193
I think they should do a relegation model and make a "Legacy" division where they shuffle off all the part timers and 2-views and the foreign branch people, and take their good core streamers and promote them more. Have them do stuff together more often instead of just in their cliques. If they could pare it down to a Hololive-sized group I think it could shake things up in a positive way for them.

>>19972502
tell your dad to fire mori

>>19971872
no wonder people keep making Gura animations, the effort is always worth

Is Council experiencing some sort of delayed incline? You regularly see Kronii / Mumei / Fauna beating non Gura Myth CCVS nowadays. Even Bae can do it if shes doing something interesting.

>>19972199
Realistically they don't do enough 3D stuff to be worth moving to Japan. It's a cool novelty but it's not a core part of their streaming, even for the JPs.

>>19972576
but anon, yagoo is my dad and is reading this thread right now
>>19972631
dad listens to RIP religiously 5 times a day

>>19972193
Anon there's 0 chance of that happening on a basic philosophy level that the agency has since their inception. And it would cause an extreme backlash for them to do it at nijisanji. There's people in JP who don't stream for years like Roa in hiatus or Kataribe who did 3 streams since 2019.Then you have gilzaren who barely has ever streamed on his channel and mostly appears on collabs. They have different levels of vtubers between those 107, to the point where if you look at a week of JP like in last week, 88 out of 107 streamed.
https://vtuber-ch.com/ranking3/?gname=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98&pageno=4

>>19972686
Because NOW they are regularly streaming.

>>19972686
>delayed incline
no anon, that's how normal debuts happen, huge numbers at the start, fall off a cliff as their numbers actually stabilize and the entire box has a chance to check them out a few times, and then the slow incline with a couple of casualties just dying halfway there

>>19972686
Gura carries Myth so much that people think Myth still has their monster numbers. Council has Mumei and Kronii for good numbers but both of them have some issues regarding streaming consistently.

Emilia can't even break 5k viewers these days kek

>>19972367
At least the main branch has volume and a real infrastructure. NijiEN females were dying the same death JP was. NijiEN males are a sight for sore eyes after Fantasia was delayed.

>>19972686
They just started streaming more often and figuring out what their strengths were. Remember none of them were daily streamers before they joined, except Bae, and she was from a tiny fairly unsuccessful company. None of them had a natural feel for what good content would be, except Fauna's obvious ASMR streams.

>>19972686
I think Council are always solid, with right scheduling and content planning they can pull their weight by themselves. That's what this thread kept screaming for months, just stream and things will be fine.

>>19972367
There's a new King in town.

Mori and ina are doing, good and get multiple 10k ccv. Gura is doing goodaslo
Kira is kiara so not hard to beat her but she gets her holotalk boost easily.

Ame just likes to debuff herself every time
since the streams frames are up 10min before stream starts and she jumps between 5pm and midnight timeslots with fps games.

>>19972959
was for>>19972686

i will add they streaming regularly will do wonders.

>>19972686
They've never been bad. Council schizo gave a lot of people around this part the wrong impression of them and spouted a lot of dumb shit. The reality is that they were busy girls who've been trying to juggle life and streaming.
>Fauna consistently hits 6-8k and has shown to be able to hit 10k playing games as well as karaoke
>Mumei is wildly successful for how awful her start was, is able to consistently hit 10k and gets ridiculous numbers for guerilla streams in the middle of the night
>Bae coming off a fantastic month
>Kronii able to hit ridiculously high numbers with a snap of a finger, and has hit incredible numbers for what most consider mediocre streaming games
In regards to that Kronii part, here's some peaks off the top of my head:
>Ghostrunner: 9.6k
>Hidden through time: 9.1k
>Sonic Adventure 2: 11.1k followed by an 8.5k that was in mega overlap
She's always been able to grab attention and her 19k last night is once again proof of that. People just have this wild idea that they need to be 5 Gura's which is ridiculous in the first place

>Amelia 3.8k
>picrel 5 months ago
Is Doom Eternal just numbers poison?

>>19972867
Are you retard anon? There's 18 females in JP that are above the females in EN and even the males. No one in EN can do above 10k like Mito, Lize and Ange.

>>19971062
Stable
>>19971792
Reclining
>>19972097
Inclining

>>19973055
here

>>19972489
What? Yes, a new audience, a female one.

>>19972958
Nijisanji doesn't really care about SCs. Higuchi even joked about it.

>>19972842
I do find it funny that the month Bae streamed as much as possible is the same month she got a 9k~ median, almost double her old numbers. The more Council works the more rewards they get.

>>19972367
>>19972867
>NijiEN females were dying the same death JP was

Here is the comparison: NijiEN girls vs. NijiJP girls
>ALSO A SHOCKING RESULT!
EN girls are ahead of the JP girls

JP girls bounced back hard after CCVID (valo tournament?) but EN girls bounced even harder.
They're still trailing their August numbers tho

>>19971615
see
>>19973041
Starting eternal is a time commitment that you willd drag unless you are super good and finish the game in 2 sessions.

>>19973041
If you aren't a pro, yeah

>>19973041
Yeah, people like to meme about "rip and tear" but it's actually kind of a boring slog to watch someone else play it. Especially if you've seen the story parts before.

>>19973189

midget battle

>>19973189
they are closer than i tough. and that is with njijp having more 2views

Ame wtf are these numbers.
I guess her wish has finally been granted.
She's actually reclining.