/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

artia
>suffering 100
>deserved it 100

>>19856602

Rushia
Suffer 50
Deserved it 200

>>19856660

Akutan
>80
>0

Aloe
80 suffering
10 deserved

>>19856872
>>19856897

Gura
X10
Y75

I guess I get this out the way before someone shit it up.

Calliope
Suffer 60
Deserved 50

Mito
Suffering 100
Deserved 90

Subaru
0
0

Request to add a date in the corner like the last one.

Nene 75 suffering 75 deserved

>People already putting people at way too high of a suffering level
Nobody posted so far should be above a 30 at the absolute most

>>19857360
it's all relative, who's the highest out of all?

The last time this idea was brought up it went nowhere. Vtubers are not anime characters, they evolve through the years. What's "accurate" right now, might become useless in the years
Also, people are biased af

Ironmouse is an easy reference point.

>>19857561
oops, meant for >>19857360 >>19857392

>>19857392
Probably Ironmouse as the other anon said, but there are plenty of other chuubas streaming with severe chronic illnesses or in other extremely shitty situations

>>19857296
see >>19857360

matuli is probably highest on the suffering since it never ends for her, but its self inflicted
Kiara, i unno, like a 40 for suffering an a 20 for deserve

>>19857085
>>19857100
>>19857125
>>19857138
>>19857154
>>19857296

>>19856565
Who would get perfect 0?

>>19857764

>>19857843
lamy

>>19857843
Lauren
He's not suffering from the consequences of his actions and he obviously doesn't deserve it.

latest one I could find

>>19857880
Nah, she had the janitor yab.

Hey fags, there should be at least a short explanation justifying the ratings being given.

Ame
Suffering 90 she has SUPER BAD LUCK
Deserved 0 she got it from her grandma

https://streamable.com/r3p82s
Natori 100 suffering 0 deserved, Sio 95 suffering 100 deserved

>>19857986
What did Haneru do wrong?

>>19857986
What did debi do?

>>19857986
Who's that handsome young man next to the janny?

>>19858180
>>19858300
At least tell us the coordinates you niggers.

>>19856565
You should make this a yearly tradition

>>19857986
Huh, what ever happened to tranny shark?
Haven't seen her in ages

>>19858116
>>19858168

>>19858332
Koronesuki. What about him?

>>19858300
He’s a koala so he deserves to suffer

Millie Parfait
10 suffering
45 deserving

>>19858604

>>19858604
what did millie do? It's because she's a flip isn't it.

>>19857975
COPE NIPPLESANJI

>>19857125
She’s not suffering and she didn’t do anything to warrant suffering

>>19858749
enabling her coworkers shittalking vtubers from a rival corpo whose ID branch helped her grow during her 2view days in her PL

>>19858796
I will make changes if you suggest a new position and justify it

>>19858796
She contracted COVID and rumor has it that she was going out with Kanae secretly.

>>19858831
>enabling
not what happened
cope holobrony

>>19856565
Coco
Suffered:100
Deserved:30

Maimoto
Suffering 80 - Lost J1 League collab after months of preparation
Deserved 5

>>19858401
Puts zero effort into anything and so became all but completely irrelevant

>>19858838
The new COVID strain is pretty weak and even if the rumors are true (lmao if they are) it’s not that bad

>>19856565
Ironmouse
>suffering 95
>deserve it 35

>>19859033
Is she not going to miss any concerts this time? She's been pretty unlucky this year.

Nyanners
60 Suffering
100 Deserved

>>19857506
That's why the charts are dated.
>vtubers aren't anime characters
Vtubing is all about being chuuni as fuck

>>19857100
Mori should be lower on the suffering scale desu, around 30 and below. She has successfully locked herself in an echo chamber of sycophants and pretty much made it so any form of criticism will be "haters" and ignored. Not to mention she is currently the golden goose of Cover in the absence of Rushia and Coco which means that she'll be even more protected from accounatability.

Yagoo
Suffering: 90
Deserved: 15

Miko

>suffering 20
>deserve 0

>>19857986
Listener san was right. Doog's health was at risk and she is now literally in poor health. Change Listener's place to Suffering 100 Deserved 10.

>>19859154
>she'll be even more protected from accountability
That's not how it works in Hololive though. Even Pekora doesn't get preferential treatment.

>>19858988
because getting your chat and twitter tags spammed is totally equivalent to having to live in a plastic bubble like lol

>>19859086
No concerts announced recently, but she was part of that big concert that got canceled a couple of months ago. The people who got COVID during that concert or missed their chance performing the first time on stage suffered the most, not Mito

>>19856565
I doubt we will be able to fill it.
Not even /a/ managed to make an accurate one and they had thousand more options than us

>>19859234
>preferential treatment
Because she was denied a project that reeks of potential yab and opsec issues? Management saying no to pekol that one time was totally reasonable. Tolerating Mori's behavior is not.

>>19859260
Okay, then we should adjust her rating a couple of notches down.

>>19858988
>>19859073
>>19859107

>>19858997
aqua already there

>>19859154
Mori should be
30 suffering
75 deserving

>>19859334

Inukai Purin
100 suffering
5 deserved

Hell, I challenge anyone to find someone with a higher suffering than her. Poor girl has the worst life rng.

Suffering in which sense though. Yab-wise? or just their existence being suffering

>>19859334
Then we can move Maimoto
Suffering 70
Deserving 5
He lost that collaboration to no fault of his own. I lowered the suffering a little bit since I realized he's relatively successful with his career still.

OP, shouldn't we remove those inactive/retired vtubers to reduce clutter?

HACHAMACHAMA
100 suffering
10 deserved
Haato
95 suffering
15 deserving

>>19859157
>>19859167
>>19859207

Towa
15 S 100 D
Kanata
60 S 50 D
Haachama
45 S 55 D
Marine
30 S 60 D

Shartemis of the Loo
25 suffering
65 deserve it

>>19859690
What the hell is mito doing there?

>>19859685
Theres no way haachama is anywhere 100 suffering lol, or anyone in holo except maybe coco.

>>19857986
what did uto do?

(You)r oshi
Suffering 100
Deserved 0

>>19859849
Unrepentant whore.

>>19859886
tell me it isnt so

>>19857986
Anyone remember the names of 25,65, I remember they made youtube videos on a spaceship and probably quit before the vtuber boom late 2017

>>19859594

>>19859492
natori already there

>>19859367
is >>19859154 your justification?

>>19857986
I'm glad this retard is already on there.

85 and plus suffering should be reserved for people that have graduated or had really, really shitty things happen to them.

>>19859998
Purin could take 15 deserved 100 suffering then

>>19859998
Mito
35 suffering
15 deserve it

>>19859759
kanata occupied by mori
>>19859797

>>19859834
>>19858832

>>19860415

>>19860253

>>19860261
please justify a requested change

Finana
Suffering: 50
Deserved: 5

>>19860368
>Ironmouse at anything below 100 suffering
And how are y'all justifying how much she deserved it? It's fucking genetic. Are you shaming a fetus?

>>19860460
Surely rushia should be bumped up to at least
75s
100d
She graduated after all

>>19860690
she's had sex though

>>19860704
I agree rushia is too low, I would place her at 90 95, personally

>>19860690
i know literally nothing about ironmouse
whats her deformation?

>>19860847
She's bedridden for life. Autoinmune disease.

>>19860778
That has nothing to do with anything.

>>19860847
Shes like retarded and needs plasma replacement every 2 weeks

>>19859967
Nevermind, found them. Barara & Karen. Didn't quit until 2018.

>>19860611

>>19860704
rushia changed

>>19860575
She got COVID and isn’t able to stream for a while, but the new strain is pretty weak so she’s gonna be fine. She’s still a successful Vtuber so I don’t think she’s suffering. Also hasn’t really done anything to deserve suffering

>>19857798
>subaru
who had to spend years of her life in hospital, and had her family home burn down
>suffering 5

>>19860575
>>19860847
Iron mouse, for all her suffering, 100% deserves.
She abandoned her daughter, after all.
I propose
S: 70 - She could've been faking her illness. Also she had a very successful subathon on Twitch.
D: 100 - For being a piece of shit.

>>19860690
Saw her manipulate her chat saying “guess nobody wants to watch me anymore” when her subathon timer got low so ya she deserves it

>>19860847
Genetically busted immune system > lungs turned to swiss cheese by common infection > long hospital stays and being stuck in bed atrophies her muscles

She can barely walk, barely eat anything other than applesauce, oatmeal, and meal replacement shakes, is regularly taking medicine that is damaging her hearing, needs regular infusions of donor plasma (which is in short supply) to have any protection against other common infections

Juniper
100
10
Stole her design, then attacked the original artist. She's making cash out of his work and basically got away with it.

Fauna
Suffering: 95
Deserved: 5
Shes been protecting nature for 4.54 billion years afterall

>>19861203
How is she alive?

>>19860880
immune deficiency, not autoimmune.

>>19860847
I thinks it’s some sort of immune system deficiency. Also someone here posted a clip here of her on an older account talking about how her ex-husband was abusive (or something like that). So I’d definitely put her suffering at 100.

>>19860918
>>19860800
I think
80s
100d
is better, wouldn’t go much beyond that given that she still has fans in spite of the great yab.

>>19861013
Good point

>>19861242
Don't take good places with meme scores.
Fauna is a 20 suffering at most.

>>19861282
Oxygen tube, plasma donations, a port in her chest that allows medicine straight into her heart

>>19861091
Also that Nux drama showed everyone how fake these vshojo girls are.

>>19861438
All vshojo girls are +70 deserved for sure, with Melody being the best person around.

>>19860261
>>19860983
mito changed

>>19861073
ironmouse changed

>>19861282
Educate yourself on scams and twitch

>>19861534
Right. Ironically, Melody seems to be the only one genuine there.

>>19861569
She neglected to tell her audience about it for a while for this reason

>>19861547
are you an idiot

>Goslingposters
>95
>5

>>19861918
gosling...had a hard life

>>19861569
hiding behind a vtuber avatar is actually the perfect defense for doing a scam like Ironmouse is doing
>can you prove your lungs are fucked up?
>dont want to doxx myself
>can you at least take a picture of the machine?
>dont want to doxx myself
>meds?
>dont want to doxx myself

forgot mito

>>19861208
already occupied

>>19861335
rushia changed

>>19861363
agreed

>>19861918

>>19861547
I think we should take mouse on her word regarding the level of suffering unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise. On the basis of the prior statements I’d put her at
100s
70d
The deserving being based upon >>19861091
>>19861073
>>19861438

>>19861918
Agree

>>19859313
What was the project?

>>19861547
mio
suffering 10
deserved 0

>>19862112
>already occupied
It isn't though.
Towa is at 15.

>>19859998
Yes. Mori isn't suffering as much as she deserves or thinks.

>>19862018
Even in a world where you are right, no one will give a shit because you're such an asshole.

>>19858749
Leech

>>19862202
I'm not sure if she ever confirmed what it was but the most plausible theory is that it might've been something that involved fan participation so it got rejected. A /vt/ rrat said it may have been a minecraft meetup with fans.

>>19862235
You said 100 suffering 10 deserved

>>19862120
Anon, Rushia is at 100D right now, and GFE isn't even something immoral. Anyone who's not retarded wouldn't get affected by it anyway.
>Ironmouse - abandoned her daughter
>Apricot - adultery
If Nyanners is a 100D, then these two above should be worse than her.

>>19862480
Yes, and towa is at 100 suffering and 15 deserved, so the space below her.

>>19862120
ironmouse changed

>>19862235
I thought you meant 100 suffering 10 deserved, but I suppose you mean 10 suffering 100 deserved. Added

>>19862248
Mori changed

>>19862480
Anon, X axis is read first.

Pochi should probably be suffering 80+ with ~10 deserves it. She basically spends her life in bed on a good day and in the hospital on a bad day. All she did wrong is giving numerous people a /ss/ fetish.

>>19862556
Anon, please consider my points on Ironmouse again. >>19862534

>>19862630
please restate your suggested position
I don't mind moving back and forth, so any "final" position should hopefully be reached by majority decision

IRyS
suffering 30
deserved 0

Requesting Millie get moved to 10,10. Initial reasoning was BS as they say she deserves to suffer because she was in that nothing Discord leak and all she said was, "Glad to have you with us, Shu" when he mentioned he failed hololive audition cause they were accepting males at the time.

Sana at 100S, 60D. Back injuries are the worst but she deserves the flak she's getting for not communicating it earlier.

>>19862626
already occupied by aloe

>>19862808

Beatani
60 D
20 S

>>19862781
Proposing to change Ironmouse's D to 95 at least so
Ironmouse
S: 100
D: 95

Nobu 60S 10D. Gave up her dream job because she wanted to do covers/collabs, but management just wanted more sexual ASMR.

>>19862919
beatani deserves ZERO

>>19862901
>Pochi
Just put it somewhere close, 75-5

Speaking of Pochi, Reine should be 15-5. She has regular back problems but hasn't done anything wrong, is hardworking, and according to the people who have actually spoken and interacted with her, very kind.

>>19862931
wtf is your damage, dude

>>19856660
Dude she is still getting horrible messages. Her suffering is higher than 50.

Matsuro Meru
70 Suffering
40 deserve it

>Goes into a loop of being very sweet and high energy and productive, and then dives into depression.
>Every time she does start to get out of the loop, something happens like getting sick or a family member dying.
>Often goes radio silent and disappears for a week or more.
>autoimmune disorder so she doesn't go outside much, if at all.
>Sometimes streams high as fuck. Recently did a stream so high she didn't remember streaming it the next day.
>Often gets her mother's problems thrown on her. Like when her mom bought a guinea pig, dropped it off at Meru's place, claim she needed her to take care of it for a bit, then never picked it up.
>Recently went four months of being on time and active and then yet another family member died.

>>19863081
She's a kusobear. She causes her own suffering by acting schizo.

>>19862901
Why the fuck is Towa at D100? If you're talking about her first yab, S should be higher and D should be lower. She took a pretty big hit and took a long time to recover (S should be at least higher than Nene if you compare how much each suffered for their respective yabs), but what she did isn't comparable to what Sio or Rushia did.

>>19857138
Having your house burned and having a heart disease is not suffering?

Why is Towa 100D?
She didn't do something illegal nor immoral. In fact a lot of her coworkers have only good things to say about her. Her fans affectionately tease her about being an angel.

>>19863278
Because holofags are dumb and can't really justify most of their scores.

>>19856565
WTF, where is the completed chart?

>>19863241
excellent chart.

>>19863159
The fact that most of her gachikois forgave her and she now gets to keep a higher percentage of their money evens it out.

>>19862900
millie moved
>>19862919
>>19862931
ironmouse moved
>>19863113

>>19863206
>>19863278
>>19858832

Pikamee
Suffering: atleast 60
Deserved: 0

>fartemis
>not 100 deserved
>Miko
>suffering so low
wtf

>Almost killed by Sio and her fans for nothing
Chieri suffering 80
Deserving it 0
Also, fuck Sio

>>19863181
>Recently did a stream so high she didn't remember streaming it the next day.
What stream was this?

>>19863206
I agree with this anon. Towa suffered more than Nene. She got canceled by nips because of her voice and THAT scandal, had to be saved by EOPs so she can restart her career, clawed her way back to the grace of nips audience by establishing connections with the FPS crowd.

>>19863444
Why do you keep putting Ironmouse on the right?

>>19863444
Towa
S:55
D:45
Nene
S:35
D:80

50 suffering
80 deserved

Pomu
Suffering 85
Deserving 25

>>19863458
>>19863636
>>19863691

>>19863546
occupied by aqua

>>19863631
>>19863524
>>19863633
see >>19858832

>>19863556
https://twitter.com/matsuromeru/status/1496535843502272512
She deleted the Twitch vod.

>>19861918
If gosling is us, we kinda deserve it a bit more considering we fell into the rabbithole and didn't turn back.

>>19863717
>explain why it should be changed
>give me numbers
>give numbers
>explain why it should be changed
For fuck's sake. >>19863633 because>>19863278, >>19863206 and >>19863613.

>>19863717
Bruh we've already explained that Ironmouse's suffering has a genetic cause, that's an automatic 0 on the deserved scale

>>19863631
Ironmouse is a horrible person, anon. You can't have Rushia and Nyanners at 100D and Mouse getting less than that.

>>19863717
Ame should be moved 4 or so spaces to the right, she's kind of a bitch and a gremlin sometimes, certainly not a zero.

>>19863955
>Ironmouse is a horrible person, anon.
Based on what?

>>19863953
No bro. That disease is a 100 karma for abandoning her child and trying to cancel Nux without cause.

>Ina
>35
>5

>>19863998
Much of her suffering is also self-inflicted through lack of self-control. Agree it should be a lot higher than 5.

>>19863717
Miko has a chronic disease of some sort that made her have to stop streaming for over 3 months
I would argue that this is a higher than average level of suffering, also considering how poorly she was doing viewers wise early

and Artemis fucking shilled himself for weeks and had a wet fart of a debut and no personality
I guess it's not so extremely egregious but the difference between expectation and reality makes one deserve more suffering i'd say

>>19863998
It's only to chat though and chat loves it. All her interactions outside of the role she plays is pretty wholesome and sweet.

>>19864027
You know the "abandoning a child" thing is literally not true, right?
And Nux had it coming.

forgot pomu

>>19863808
Towa changed, didn't see a justification to change nene

>>19863953
already occupied by natori

>>19863998
ame changed

>>19861073
>>19862534
>abandoned her daughter
How are you going to doxpost and still get information wrong?

>>19864027
>trying to cancel Nux without cause
lol
lmao

>>19864033 here
35, 15 instead. Some of her suffering is self inflicted. Just because she's my Oshi doesn't mean I should be biased towards her in this.

>anon
>100
>75

S 10
D 80
Shion, bratty Kusogaki next to Samegaki

>>19864165
>>19864247
Mouse admitted fault in the end. They were in the wrong. They didn't know they're being recorded.
>You know the "abandoning a child" thing is literally not true, right?
If people wanna take her word for being "ill", then it's fair to believe her story about her abandoning her child.

>95
>95

>>19863458
>bullied even by her teachers for being a haafu
>had little to no friends until the last years of highschool
>was anorexic for a period of time
>the cat she always dreamed to have had a genetic disease and almost dies
>has seen a great amount of her friends graduate without reincarnating
>got depression from magnet's graduation
>almost graduated because of it
>a relative who was like a brother to her commited suicide a couple of weeks ago, thinks she could've done something about it
probably should be a little higher in suffering
did I miss anything?

>>19864033
>>19864333
added, also nice dubs and trips
>>19864335
>>19864371

>>19864133
please suggest a position if you would like a change

>>19864518
already at 100S 10D

>>19864573
do you have a specific place in mind?

>>19864375
She... doesn't have a story about abandoning her child? Dude you are LITERALLY making shit up. You've got full schizo.

Suzuhara Lulu
Suffering: 55
Deserved it: 0

>>19864692

>>19864213
Nene should be lower simply because she faced almost no consequence compared to others at the same height S as her. A little shit talking in anonymous boards an twitter with no punishment besides a scolding from management doesn't warrant being almost as high as Rushia, Aloe and Aqua. I think 35 is high enough for her. D from 75 to 80 because she made it worse herself by not admitting it straightforwardly in her apology, which increased the shitposting by a lot on the nip side.

Vox
S: 10 has a successful career so far.
D: 95
His RM history is horrible. This guy is a known pedophile according to StarBot.

>>19864596
Miko
suffering 60
deserved 5 or 10

Kitanya
95 suffering
10 deserved
Living in south africa is hell. I've never seen a streamer cancel a stream because their house was getting shot at before.

Nene Amano
Suffering: 0
Deserved it: 10

Rosemi
S:20
D:90
she hasn't paid for her sins yet

>>19864682
Seconding this. Any stories relating to her kid are unstantiated and pure shizo posting. Mousey deserves to be negative 5 on the chart for how much work she's put in to still have a life and take care of herself even with her shit situation.

>>19864764
>she faced almost no consequence
She almost got canceled over a nothingburger you retard. The "victim", which is her friend, wasn't even complaining at all.

>>19860690
Ironmouse and Mashiro should both be at suffering 100 and on the lower end of the deserving scale, that other chart had it pretty accurate for those two

>>19864596
uhhh
Mocca at 90/65
Lauren at 85/20

>>19865022
What sins or are you just autistic? What am I say? Of course you are

People who claim Mouse is a saint didn't see the video. Please do you reps first.

>>19864764
nene changed

>>19864814

>>19864836
miko changed

>>19864913

>>19864748
Shouldn't aloe and ironmouse be switched?

>>19865034
"almost got canceled" is nothing compared to the others at that height. She went back to streaming normally a few days later with her fanbase intact, holofags generally on her side and most other people are already forgetting the subject. If this turns out to affect her numbers on the long run and she has to grind for a long time to regain her trust like Towa did, maybe she should be moved higher, but for now it really looks like it ended up being a nothingburger.

>>19864681
If we're talking about how shitty her life has been like 95, but since her career has been pretty good and she's loved by everyone probably about maimoto and maybe pochi

Why was Artia 100/100 again? Did she get killed?

>>19865112
Sin of spamming this board with herself constantly.

Redpill me on mothbitch what did she do to deserve it?

>>19864764
Its not just her tracing incident. She's always had the debuff of being in the cursed get 5 along with very recent depression made even worse by the fact her oshi killed herself. Nene is without a doubt suffering more than the halfway point.

by tradition Anon should always be 100,100

switch with artia

>>19865112
she's been a bitch on her past lifes

>>19865327
Then tell that to OP. I was only talking about it from the point of view of the tracing yab.

>>19865284
above*

>>19865126
I suggest you move the 3 top-right girls counterclockwise. Also, with how her life went, shouldn't Shuba be on S20?

>>19864375
>They didn't know they're being recorded
Except none of them were recorded. Just Mel in the userlist. No conversation with any of them.

Sure they made themselves look like retards, but really? Criticizing someone publicly is now the worst of crimes? Everyone crying about it like they'd been shot needs to go get shot.

>>19865277
She missed a couple of streams just right after her birthday for something that shouldn't have been a scandal. That's thousands of dollars worth of SC and merch income she missed. Also her merch got recalled.

>>19865126
Move Artia to 95/95 and put Moot in 100/100 for his recent child porn charges.

Pipkin Pippa in 90 suffering/10 deserved. We don't know her age, but most of the shit she's gone through is due to her shitty childhood much like Ame.

>>19865350
I wish I could reveal how I know, but god yes she's been a complete fucking diva her whole career.

>>19865126
Nippleman (Lauren Iroas) should be on 80/80. His suffering keeps growing, and he was retarded enough to admit to pirating the thing.

>>19865124
We've all seen the video, there's just one schizo who wildly misunderstood it and continues to pointlessly seethe about it.

>>19865007
>>19865022
>>19865055

>>19865229
please provide a justification for any suggested changes

>>19864748
On the basis of
>>19861013
I think we should bump Subaru up to
at least
40s
0d

Also I believe we should put rrat-poster(s) at
0s
100d
Because rrats actually bring joy to the poster at the cost of misery to the receiver

>>19865490
>Criticizing someone publicly is now the worst of crimes?
It's not just criticizing. They were trying to kill Nux's career. I don't care for that guy, but when it was revealed that Nux was in the right, everyone backpedaled. Mouse is a scum.

>>19865511
90 is very high, what has this rabbit gone through to justify that?

>>19865501
She got more sympathy SC thanks to the yab than she would have gotten otherwise. The merch loss, she brought on herself, so I guess moving her up-right would make sense.

>>19862212
Mio should have a much higher suffering and deserved ranking considering she was the catalyst for the permission's arc.

>>19865525
So it's a "Trust me. I'm a private eye"

>>19865698
You do not understand the permissions arc.

>>19865557
Fuck off, shill. Unless you can refute that video, that's a valid evidence for Mouse being a 100D.
Also, I think Mouse should be a 50S. She went to Japan earlier. It's becoming apparent now that her disability is not really that dire cause she can travel. She is a manipulative person, we can't even trust her words anymore.

Koyori 15 15

Zentreya AKA TTSdragon
Suffering: idk
Deserved: nothing below 80

>>19865671
The SC she got was peanuts. We didn't even include the damage to her reputation. She should be moved upwards-left.

>>19865862
go white knight somewhere else

Miyabi is probably 70/15 for being the first homo and his rough debut

Pekora: S30 D10
Korone: S85 D0
Kronii: S40 D9999
Sana: S60 D60
Fubuki: S75 D0

>>19865284
moved nene

>>19865341
good enough reason for anon, need to justify artia

>>19865453
please provide justification for suggested changes

>>19865511
justify artia
that was actually another man named moot
pippa added

>>19865552
lauren changed

>>19865566
i'd move aqua a little to the right because how she absolutely abandoned Coco during the taiwan yab, and put Pikamee in her place

>>19865665
Basing it on comparison for Ame's suffering stories. She's indie and not well known, but some of the stories hit just as hard.

One example, her family had a small pet shop, and her sister/family would just take home small pets from the shop then basically stop caring for them after a matter of weeks, and let them languish and slowly die/abandon them. Had a huge impact on her for care of animals and such.

>>19860880
Mouse went to Japan. From being bedridden for the rest of her live to being able to travel abroad, how does that even make sense?
I propose we should change Mouse's suffering position.

>>19866074
You dumb nigger, are you talking about her recent stream? Where a guy took a stream rig backpack with him and was a virtual tourguide for her while she was still bedridden some place in Puerto Rico?

>>19866025
Thats... honestly not that bad.
I wouldn't call it a 90.

>>19865284
>>19865985
Nene?

>>19866025
Also, Pippa is NOT indie.

Deadbeats S 20 D 100

>>19866074 (me)
Mouse
S: 60 - She can actually travel. Her sickness isn't really that debilitating, might not even be true. Also, she got 3rd for the highest amount of subs in Twitch history. That should lower her suffering points right?
D: 95 - Remain as-is.

>>19865571
subaru changed
rrat added

>>19865770
mouse changed

>>19865778
>>19865928

>>19865985
On the basis that many anons in the thread disagree with the validity of the assertion that mouse abandoned her daughter I propose we move mouse back to
100s
80d
With her moved we can move atria to
100s
95d
So that anon can take his rightful place at
100s
100d

>>19865985
>please provide justification for suggested changes
Also, not that anon but.
>need to justify artia
I wouldn't put her away from the corner. It'd be
>Artia / Anon
>IM / Sio
Sio should stay there now that I think about it. Artia keeps suffering but living in bugland against your will counts a little for the D axis. Mouse is getting somewhat better treatments, so her suffering is a bit less. Anon is self-explanatory.

>>19865770
There's nothing to refute, there's nothing in that video that's ba-
>She went to Japan earlier.
Oh. Oh! You're trolling. I thought you were legitimately crazy, but you're just having a giggle.

>>19866345
Bro, Mouse suffering shouldn't be 100. It's not even verified that she's really ill, but we are sure that she's incredibly rich. She even made it to Twitch record for subs count.

>>19866015
>because how she absolutely abandoned Coco during the taiwan yab
yawn

>>19866015
You've got to be fucking kidding me. Should we move Kuzuha to the right as well for deleting his tweet of support for Coco?

>>19866343
swap gosling out with mashiro
>bullied in school
>shit family
>had to work with corpses for some time to make ends meet
>witnessed death twice
>mom tried to commit family suicide
>the spongebob incident

>>19866673
dude, you just made me look like a cooldown posting nigger

Sana
S: 5
D: 85

>>19866345
>anon
>100d
Anon may be a faggot but he hasn't betrayed everyone he knows

>>19866343
I would like to posit that watame should take the spot at
85s
0d
Because according to posts on here apparently she had a bad father and in general she is a sensitive sheep who acts as a grief counselor for the chat. I have not heard of anything bad she has done to deserve to suffer. Also add watamelon at 0s 0d because watamelon represents shitposting bliss.

>>19866549
Her having all that money is a good point. I still think the immunodeficiency is worth taking at face value as many posters belieb it. Perhaps a nice 85s 85d would be good?

>>19866792
Sana has a broken back, she can't even stream properly. If Ironmouse gets S:100, Sana should get 80. It's actually affecting her job unlike Ironmouse who can stream like nothing.

>>19866834
>he hasn't betrayed everyone he knows
lol
lmao even

>>19859886
>Unrepentant whore
spoonfeed me anon. i heard she had a yab with one of her outfits but she disappeared and /vt/ moved onto other drama before i could get the full picture

>>19866673
Idk, was Kuzuha the one being supported by Coco while he has being attacked by antis? no, but Aqua was.

>>19865936
justify moving sana
fubuki already occupied
others added

>>19866015
moved aqua
justify pikamee

>>19866251
oh shit it was pikamee
jesus christ this is what happens when you don't follow the format
pikamee and nene fixed

>>19866280

>>19866286
mouse moved

>>19866969
Coco made Ark a thing in Japan, the game which propelled Kuzuha to stardom. That should count for something.

>>19864913
For me what puts her so high isn't even the farm raid shit. It's that on top of
>SA power and internet just go out sometimes so she has to cancel streams and sit in pitch black
>Streaming so much Minecraft and staying SFW infested her community with cringe kids that she and her mods have to babysit
>Chronic pain and other health issues that keep her a shut in
>Takes a 2.5 month break because she went to get a surgery, and the doctor fucked up and stabbed her stomach, necessitating another surgery right after
>Has tons of stories that basically end with "and then I almost got raped"
>Basically has to move if she wants a career and happy life but is stuck in SA for at least a few more years so she can graduate with enough qualifications to get a job wherever she moves.
Tanya is the perfect chuuba for saviorfags

>>19866343
Miyabi is the most inoffensive homo of them all so he should be D 0.

>>19866969
>why did the girl who's always a target avoid the fire
she would have been collateral you fucking mong
probably would have quit sooner than coco if she got involved

>>19867024
I ask again: are you an idiot?

>>19867024
>justify pikamee
really shitty life and all of this>>19864573
If I had to add something it would be how so many viewers abandoned her as soon as HoloEN was announced

bros
what did moth woman do
i don't know enough about her

Anon
95 suffering
95 deserved it

>>19866345
>>19866359
mouse artia and anon moved

>>19866739
>>19866859
if you want someone's spot you need to justify moving them too

>>19866792
justify moving sana

>>19866859

>>19867315
moved pikamee

>>19867232
even months after the incident when everyone was having collabs with Coco again she still didn't even mentioned her.

>>19867315
>If I had to add something it would be how so many viewers abandoned her as soon as HoloEN was announced
That happened but I think she's better off now. Pandering to EN fanbase by streaming on Twitch has worked well for her, and she has connections with basically every corpo + big indies like Kson because everyone just loves her

>>19867367
le ironic weeb who hates anime fans

where should Magnet/jellyfish go? If we're going by the underage thing.

>>19865525
Might as well air out the dirty laundry already if you think she deserves it that much to put her at 90

>>19867545
Would be okay if it was just that, but she hates japanese artists too. Fuck that.

>>19867425
not everyone cares about coco as much as you do
i doubt aqua and coco had much of a friendship considering they're night and day
why would she mention coco

>>19859492
I know Purin's a flip but may i know as to why her suffering placement is that high?

>>19867529
Yeah she's doing better now, but she's has to work for it a lot harder than before, and she's never had a big gain of subs since like more than a year before.

>>19867315
>>19867400
I get your point but we should put more weight on the recent happenings. I'm sure lots of vtubers have a sad past.
It's criminal to have Pikamee, Aqua and Aloe get the same suffering points.
Aloe lost her winning ticket to Hololive lottery. She hasn't even have a proper career yet and she still is suffering from mental illness. Her family broke apart. And she's not rich unlike those other people.

Unicorns
65 Suffering
100 Deserve it

Unicorns are mentally ill but deserve it, due to their own stupidity and the fact that they call everyone cucks despite the ones that are truly being cucked (by mental illness, their tulpa, and Rushia)

>>19867631
Her family got corona recently.
She almost died.
Her mom actually died in the next room over.
They were distant and finally starting to get along.
Her dad went to jail.
Her house got destroyed by a hurricane.
She's very emotionally dependent on chat, half of them being groomers.
And yeah, she is indeed flip.

>>19867697
You seem upset

>>19867688
I totally agree that aloe should be higher

Mysta at 65/60
Noraneko at 80/20

>>19867737
Holy fuck...

>>19867400
How about bumping korone up to 90s and 0d and putting watame to 85s and 0d based on the prior reasoning in >>19866859
I’d say being rather ill could warrant a 90s for korone.

>>19867697
Surely unicorns suffer as much as goslings as they always end up being cucked in the end. Perhaps 95s 95d?

>>19867627
>i doubt aqua and coco had much of a friendship considering they're night and day
why would she mention coco
they weren't friends when Coco stood up for her either though

>>19867786
Sure, I'm good with that

>>19867891
>an extrovert acts this way
>an introvert should also
why would aqua act like coco
aqua is not coco

nakiri ayame
suffering 15
deserved 70

>>19867688
I would't have a problem with Pika in the same tier as Maimoto or Pochi, but the problem is that those three probably deserve 0 suffering so I would't know who should be moved to the right

>>19867387
justify moving anon

>>19867199
maimoto is there

>>19867697
>>19867786
unicorn added and moved

>>19867772
>>19867971

You EOPs better stop talking shit about Aqua. She was one of the holos who lost the most from the bug yab and she never stopped being on Coco's side despite that. If you want to point fingers at somebody, point them at Cover for restricting their interactions or the chinks for being chinks.

>>19867786
forgot korone and watame

Someone stick pippa on here for me plz. Deserves a lot of suffering. Anyone based must suffer.

>>19867963
I wan't asking Aqua to stand up for her as Coco did, but to atleast acknowledge her, that even the most autistic of introverts should be able to do

>>19868230
She was literally not allowed to. See picrel >>19868144

>>19868182
Pippa is already up at 90/10.

If you want a joke one or a filler you can add Pajeet, the niji samefag

40s
60d

>>19868162
I don't think Haachama is suffering. She's a yab machine that always gets away with it. I'd put her as a 5

>>19868230
kondragon~

>>19868056
Looking good anon.

Also how about Architect posters at 0s 25d, deserving some suffering for being weird and generally being content

>>19868424
How about the piss drinker, surely we have to put him somewhere?

>>19868319
>She was literally not allowed to
No, she didn't want to.
Unlike Aqua, Fubuki went all out in support of Coco. Fubuki is the one who lost the most. Cover chose Coco instead of the chinks. Aqua was wishy-washy about it.

>>19868424
>>19868523
would rather not add individual posters
architect is fine

>>19868483
She constantly blames herself for Coco's graduation

>>19868483
She suffered a lot when she was studying abroad.

Haaton
S100
D45
She got her head cut off

>>19868587
Isn’t there a piss drinking thread? Ambrosia I think, maybe that infamous image can represent them. On that basis we ought to consider the cannibals of meat and the become lamy guys (maybe represented by anon with a lamy mask or something).

>>19868523
>>19868676

>>19867963
Anon Pekora is also an introvert and not only she still collabed with Coco but she even made her a member of her minecraft construction group

>>19868534
>No, she didn't want to.
She did everything she could to acknowledge Coco without going against the management's directives, Kaichou herself is also to "blame" because she tried her best to not involve Aqua in that mess (see the already mentioned totsumachi).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2f5nNlCH8&t=378s

bump limit reached, I won't update anymore tonight but I will check the thread when it archives

I may make a continuation thread tomorrow

why does hard working bubble girl deserve it more than lazy my dog died so imma take a break and injure myself girl

>>19868818
and look at all the good it did

>>19857986
Walnut...

>>19868793
How about Choco at 25s 0d she got shat on by the YouTube algorithm and I think someone here said that jp anons have messed with her in the past.

Discord 0 suffering 95 deserved

>>19868793
Gosling should be replaced by Kurumi.

>>19868793
Kanata S85 D10
She has an incurable disease that causes hearing loss that she has to battle to keep her passion for singing alive. Also extreme vertigo.
Possessions stolen by a close friend before debut.
Anxiety attacks. Covid.

It would be funny to put her beside Watame.

>>19869099
?

>>19869530
>?
so you're retarded
it accomplished literally nothing
coco quit didnt she

Move Aqua to the left. She doesnt deserve none of her suffering. Its just literal schizos attacking her all the time for made up reasons.

>>19869645
>I'm not visiting my dying friend because he's gonna die anyways

>>19869865
they interact as much off screen now as they did back then
not even comparable to a dying friend
but keep seething ig

>>19866015
The most retarded poster in this thread. It's so unfair to say that to Aqua who was herself caught in the crossfire. She is absolutely excused if you know the context, which I assume you don't since you posted something this retarded.

>>19870282
then keep her on 0 but move her lower, since she's done such a perfect job at avoiding schizos, she definetly hasn't suffered more than Maimoto.

>>19868793
koopa, i'd put her at 100s 10d in place of that listener san
>slew of illnesses that keep her bed bound including EDS and the same illness ame has that can't let them eat bread
>stories of getting fucked over by doctors and leaving the offices crying
>has been in a wheelchair before
>is currently on a pseudo break because boneitis hit her so hard she can't even talk for too long without getting sick
>lost weight because she pukes most of the food out

>>19870891
yeah, I don't know why she was put so high up when the worst she had was some Apex antis a year ago and losing her Chinese fans, and other vtubers have had both of those happen to worse degrees

>>19870964
she was the first to be added so there wasn't much comparison yet

>>19870915
>is currently on a pseudo break because boneitis hit her so hard
Why sugarcoat this, anon?
Her career went to shitter because she fucked a fan of hers.
She never really suffered. Her potential is low to begin with.
Koopa:
30S
100D

>>19870891
>>19870964
I mean it's not just apex antis
>smash bros antis
>ARK antis
>Taiwan antis
>rushia yab schizos
>seaschizos
There is a couple

>>19870891
>hasn't suffered more than Maimoto
You're delusional. Aqua lost her Chinese fans and along with it money.

>>19871312
>koopa talked about her illnesses fucking her over before the summer space incident
>this nigger somehow thinks she made it all up
you are the dumbest, most seething faggot i've ever seen and i hope you reincarnate as a homosexual in a muslim country

>>19871341
>smash bros antis
Damn, that's a blast from the past. I'd completely forgotten about that yab.

>>19870891
>she's done such a perfect job at avoiding schizos
She literally gets schizos for the most petty shit imaginable anon..

>>19867400
>if you want someone's spot you need to justify moving them too
i think goslings not having families that try to murder them is enough justification kek

>>19871400
Her merch still sells like crazy though, so not really a big loss for her.

>>19871400
I'm pretty sure losing literally all your money is worst than losing a percentage of your income.

>>19864913
>Living in south africa is hell. I've never seen a streamer cancel a stream because their house was getting shot at before.
Fake and gay. Gangland shootings doesn't happen in nice suburbs.

>faggots filling up the left column

Stop listening to every single retard that suggesting their oshi suffers but doesn’t deserve it any of it.

>>19871926
You sound mad, schizo.
*spits on you*

>>19871926
>sugest to move someone slightly to the right
>another two hour schizo argument starts
yeah no thanks

AZKi needs to be shifted
Suffering: High
Deserved: Low-mid

Suffering
>Suffered from design debuff for her first 2 costumes
>Was once part of upd8 (from the same company who mishandled talents like Kizuna and Nobuhime)
>INNK debuff instead of Hololive buff during essential growth periods
>As of today still part of Hololive Production and not Hololive like the rest of the female JP talent
>Many of her 40+ original songs have <200k views, some don't break 100k
>Has to watch the songs of every newer Hololive member eclipse her every time, still tweets positive comments about them despite the reverse rarely happening
>The coof killed her live show momentum
>Extensive networking throughout the scene, but most Hololive viewers have never heard of her
>(You) probably forgot she existed
>Has to work a day job that she hates

Deserved
>Doesn't leech off Hololive members more often
>Chooses to take the VSinger route instead of the Hololive streamer route

>>19872095
>ignores how the reasoning was kinda bull

>>19868793
What the fuck is this absolute bullshit placement of Sana? She should be just one spot left of the Deadbeat.

>>19872493
also she uses her position to elevate lesser known vsingers (dont stop the music, collabs, opening acts on her lives)

>>19872493
>>19872657
(me)

comments referring to placement in
>>19857986