/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

no one on /vt/ is an unironic sharkfag

>>1979723
handle my dick fag

You call it declining I call it purification.

>>1979723
When people mass unsubscribe her or her stint with Hololive is suddenly over, then it is a decline.

gura is reclining
I have lot of data

What's with the overlap of /sp/ posters on this board? I seriously don't understand it.

>>1979723
Why are so many chinks raiding this board with such low quality bait?

>>1979942
its a romanian with an argentinian proxy

>>1979829
it might be a bait thread but it does seem at least partially true that she is reclining somewhat
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCoSrY_IQQVpmIRZ9Xf-y93g
new subs down 25%, views down nearly 30% for the last 30 days

>>1979723
shit narrative

>>1980159
Gura and hololive in general are having to deal with many leeches now. I watch a twitch streamer who stole guras model and doesn't even know Who ow gura is. If hololive wants to survive they need to bust out the DMCA takedowns or they are a good as dead in the water.

>>1981000
There's a reason these companies keep adding talent. It's to generate new streams of interest and vary the talents. So when one starts to ebb, a fresh new one is ready to go.

>>1980159
>drop 30% of views
people are finally getting tired of her

>>1980159
It's because her content is boring.

>>1979974
Alfonso ciao ciao

she will keep reclining unless she public her asmr & karaoke content

>>1981271
>karaoke
It gets old. Her next explosion in growth will be when she releases her original songs assuming they're good.

>>1979723
>>1981229
>It's because her content is boring.
/thread

hype fades- no one is surprised
you can't be the exciting new thing forever
now is where we see where she stabilizes and how good her staying power is

>>1981312
>no shark facts
>no shaaaaaark
The personality has faded and she's just going through the motions now
She probably wants out

>>1981073
show some other holos so we got something to compare it to

Gura...another matsuri.....

>>1981428
I think the entire HoloEN is negative some percentage on subs and views. Besides Mori on views probably because of music.

>>1981229
yeah, i don't dislike Gura by any means, she seems very nice, but her content is REALLY fucking dull

>>1981410
That shit was garbage too desu. I was excited for her to drop it but then after she did I realized she's not really very interesting underneath the kayfabe either. I respect how hard she tries to be entertaining though. Perhaps she'd be better if she didn't try so hard to be funny and stuff all the time.

>>1981488
Anon she only played APEX like once.

She didn’t deserve to be the face of hololive in the first place

who will inevitably overtake her as the next number 1 holo?

Summoning ogey rrat

>>1981555
Probably nobody, at least not in sub count. It'll take a long time for that to happen.

>>1981428
korones down 9%, ame's down 30%, sora's down 3%, kiara's down 20%, botans down a whopping 35%.

So its a mixed bag, but in general it looks like its in line with her gen mates and even holo as a whole.

>>1981638
How's Pekora doing?

>>1981607
as you wish

>>1981555
Ame

>>1981544
She's not the face of Hololive. Sora is.

>>1981638
How's pekora & marine?

>>1981659
who?

>>1981659
+30% RABBIT STRONK

>>1981699
They're both declining in popularity, the vtuber wave is coming to an end and it's being overshadowed by other industries. From what I know though the new rercruitments have started for Gen 2 of EN, that would probably be enough of a second wind to at least postpone the decline.

>>1981699
Marine up 5%

>>1981709

>>1979742
I am. I like the shark.

>>1979723
>Why is /vt/ handling her decline so poorly?
What do you expect to happen faggot?

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1981709
pirate and rabbit's backs are sore from carrying hololive

>>1981517
Different strokes for different folks dude. I personally found the vacuuming stream to be the absolute peak of entertainment. Some people hated it. That’s just the way it is.

>>1980159
The most likely explanation is that the more normie viewers (especially children) are spending more time outside because it's spring in the northern hemisphere.

>>1981709
>>1981730
based

>>1980159
EVERYONE in hololive is seeing this same decline.

Here's the data I collected for the girls, out of curiosity and to mess with the youtube API.
I posted it in a previous numberfags thread and i'll stop now but overall I think most of them are stagnating, not really declining.

>>1981820
Obviously. The guy wasn't even being rude, there's nothing wrong with him expressing his opinion.

>>1981765
This is sexual.

Why are people so desperate to see someone decline and become irrelevant?
Is it human nature to be overly jealous of others?

>>1981726
> other industries
Like what?

>>1981916
I don't know if she would be irrelevant, I don't think her personality is in line with the expectations of the second most subscribed VTuber in the world (considering the most subscribed, Kizuna, pretty much thrived on her popularity), she'd be better off with a smaller base.

>>1981829
Also covid lockdowns ending in many places. covid was a boon to the streaming industry at large, and especially for vtubers.

>>1981876
>only gura is reclining

>her decline
>she's reclining
>in reality, she's put out some of her best content ever in the past couple weeks
You people need to actually consider killing yourselves for the betterment of society.

>>1981913
No it's not, pedo.

>>1981974
Despite how I may feel about her content, I don't think that matters. As long as people keep showing up to watch her she'll just set a new normal for what people expect of a vtuber. I'd say it's better she's being true to herself instead of mimicking the other successful vtubers.

>>1981876
graduation soon

>>1981916
>jealous
when you slow down to see a car crash, do you do it because you're jealous of the drivers?

>>1982001
Then explain why your penis is erect faggot

>>1981876
based numberfag

>>1982022
Absolutely, they were lucky enough to die quickly

>>1982022
Probably some poorfags who can't afford cars yes.

>>1982029
Explain how you know my penis is erect

>>1981956
Automotive ^5.2%, Natural Gas ^12.1%, Pork ^3.3%, Military Contracts as a whole ^17.9%

>>1982054
I can smell the cheese under your foreskin
You do have a foreskin, don't you anon?

>>1979723
from this graphic I can see that barely any of them are declining; And EN is far more stable than doomposters make it look like. Maybe OP is being a faggot and just seeing the simple total of views instead of views/video.

>>1981876
If someone didn’t recognize the difference of scale between those charts, they’d draw some rather wrong conclusions by glancing at them.

>>1982092
Of course I do.

>>1982060
Fuck I sold my military contract futures last month

>>1981726
I also think youtube is tweaking the algorithm to prevent vtubers from dominating recommendation lists once you watch one.

>>1979723
>>1981876 from this graphic you can tell that barely any of them is really declining; and most of EN, even gura, is stable instead of falling to an abyss like the doomposters try to make it look like. OP is probably one of those faggots.

>>1982060
> ask what industries are overshadowing vtubers causing their “decline”
> responds with list that includes military contracts and natural gas

It’s all so tiresome.

>>1982099
Yeah I know I'll fix that later, but I'm afraid shrinking the scales too much will make some of the graph really non-readable.

+ The chat stats are not a 100% accurate because I only took a few random samples from each VOD. Downloading all the chat data for all the videos would take way too long. I'd suggest to just look at the trend and not at each data point individually

>>1982170
>he doesn't know

>>1981916
Some anons just like to see a fire burn, even when there is no fire, they long for the flames.

>>1982180
The bottom line is that the collection in that form doesn’t tell an accurate story of the success or failures of Hololive idols compared to each other, only a % pattern that most of them seem to experience.
You did good but be careful to not that because out of context statistics are all too commonly used by rrats and disinfo shills.

>>1981916
schadenfreude

>>1982143
Nice cope.

>>1981876
How is hachama rhymes with pachama on a incline? How? She is not even producing new insane contents. Am I crazy?

Korone, Pekora and Marine have better numbers despite being behind of her by 1 million of subscribers.
The most subscribed Holo shouldn't be behind of anyone.

>>1982761
You shouldn't use "of" when you say "behind," only when you say "ahead." Otherwise your English is okay.

Example:
"Korone is ahead of Gura in views, despite having fewer subscribers than her."
"Gura has a million more subscribers than Pekora, but is far behind in views-per-video."

>>1982022
>slow down to watch car crash

All rubberneckers should be ground into dust and then used in the fires that make the rubber tires use. Don't be the retard that causes the pile up in the opposite lane because you can't control your inability to gawk at the ten millionth sedan accordion that week.

>>1982761
Korone doesn't, but Pekora and Marine does.

>>1982761
You should say they have better numbers in one (1) category, just like Coco and Rushia have better numbers than all four of them in a completely different category (SC).

>>1982305
This, and what most people forget is that this is the equivalent of the real life celebs and pop culture
>rrats are the tabloid gossips that people always wish to see or read about
>drama is always bound
>my oshi is better than yours bullshit
>simps that will digitally and physically hunt down anyone that dares to not praise their oshi as a goddess or dares to point a mistake
>girls are entertainers that in most cases, if not all, are replaceable, like pop stars

>>1979723
>Gura is reclining and finally purifying her fansbase
>Gura is probably happy as hell now she can have a relaxed VTubing career hanging with her EN friends instead of having "THE NEW FACE OF HOLOLIVE" shit thrust upon her by numberfags
I'm happy for her.

People are tired of waiting for the old Senzawa to come back. The super ultra nice girl Gura is boring af

>>1979723
Just look at the pure copium in this thread. She is the global poster girl. Her numbers were every chumbuds wet dreams. Now they are having to come to terms with the fact that she has already peaked.

>>1981410
>The personality has faded
yeah this is why I switched to kiara, just look at her video reacting to her debut, she pretty much lost all her quirky personality and it just herself with an anime avatar, even her voice isn't the same anymore.

>>1981876

What does the blue and red mean?

>>1982761
Pekora and marine stream daily, gura doesnt and yet she still ave the same average in vod views.

>>1982143
yeah seems like views are stabilizing rather than declining. is impressive considering gura doesnt even stream daily.

>>1983934
how many jops in chat.

>>1983589
Except she’s going to get graduated if it keeps up.

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1984105
Sometimes I hope hololive is as cutthroat as you shitposters make it out to be just so it all goes in flames and your favorites are caught in the crossfire too.

>>1981876
>That absolute EOP invasion
I didn't know AZKi had grown that popular with the overseas audience.

>>1981555
The only current member who could overtake Gura in subcount is Mori IMO, especially if her album is successful and gets some more mainstream appeal.

>>1984105
none of the EN girls are long for this world

>>1984321
pffft hahahaha

>>1983805
sorry Gurandma is the new way

>>1983589
>>Gura is reclining and finally purifying her fansbase
>>Gura is probably happy
if you kill your enemies they win

>>1984321
no girl cant touch goura even now she is gaining doublke the suscribers

>>1981876
F

>>1984069
It's a correction. Another thing not being taken into account is that while Gura's numbers are stabilizing other holos are seeing larger growth. This implies that those numbers aren't leaving but simply migrating to other holos who fit their tastes. Another thing being ignored is the growth indies have been experiencing due to HoloLives trickle down effect. This actually shows that the industry is really healthy right now and still growing. At the moment anon are acting retarded tribal because HoloEN is literally competing with themselves which is retarded all their money goes to the same place if one holo is doing well the entire company is doing well.

Now if you want to see some unhinged numberfagging wait until Niji EN debuts.

>>1984105
Sorry anon I didn't know Yagoo was your Uncle.

>>1984410
Everything passes anon. Your favorite entertainer will grow old eventually. Just be glad you were able to see them and tell future anon of the Golden Days when it is finally over. Wrestling Fans thought the eternal incline and days of beating out Monday Night Football for rating would never end then one day they found they were no longer main stream but some niche community reminiscing about the glory days of the Attitude Era. And then out of nowhere there will be a nostalgia period and everyone will be talking about it for a while before it calms back down again.

>>1984527
>Another thing being ignored is the growth indies have been experiencing due to HoloLives trickle down effect.
rising tide lifts all boats

>>1984420
>>1984480
Gura's subscribers are going to get inline with Korone, Fubuki and others once youtube recognizes that she has one retard who's sub botting her and they mass delete hundreds of thousands of her subscribers.

>>1984527
i also think content matters too, as gura and ame barely plays anything popular nor have short clips like marine or songs.
Also she does memebr content each week instead of a regular stream whcih eat one days of views.Gura doesnt care and never will. But if she wanted she could overtake marine, tokyghoul and pekora easily by just streaming an extra 1-2 days.
I do agree in the growth thing about the indies and competition. The growth leves are at august which are still huge from what tey were at the begining of the last year.

>>1984463
>HERfags
>fanbase

choose one

>>1984218
she is rather competent at english unlike her colleagues

>>1984527
>a correction
THIS.
I don't know how people don't understand that this is how the industry works, it was like this when FBK was the number one, her numbers were the best until they weren't because she was THE entry point for hololive, now it's Gura.
Her core fanbase is as strong and dedicated as any of the others, while her more casual viewers slowly find out which holo they prefer through her and move on.
Another thing is that this is exactly what she wanted, and she told us during her 2M celebration in which she sang only hololive original songs, while gushing over her seniors during every performance.

>>1981861
Yep. Most of HoloJP's 1M club will be below 10K/week by next month.

>>1982143
>The chat stats are not a 100% accurate because I only took a few random samples from each VOD
cherry pick at its finest

>>1981876
If you're going by VODs, between December and early March there was a YouTube chat bug that dropped a huge number of messages in the VOD replay. They partially fixed it in early March but it's still not 100%
Gura's chat was always slow mode so the dip you see is only due to the VOD replay bug.

The sequence of events was:
1. Live chat and VOD replay were dropping lots of messages (pre-December)
2. Live chat message drops mostly fixed, but it broke VOD replay messages (post-December)
3. VOD replay messages mostly fixed. (early March)

>>1984699
"wake up paypig, time for your 4 hour minecraft stream of nothing"
Yes gura

>>1984810
This; no way in hell Gura could have kept that ridiculous rise up anyway, and it's pretty clear from her streams that she's comfortable with how things are now. But of course retards are still going to make up stories about how such and such Hololive girl is going to get graduated because she's not up to par supposedly.

>limited on what is allowed to stream, say or view on stream
And you wonder.

>>1980159
Isn’t this just what happens to all Internet personalities. After a rise they start to plateau. Some maintain their fan base others begin to fall as they become stale, or someone better comes along

>>1984699
true, Gura will probably have insane views when she releases original songs, ASMR, short meme vids, and her own clips.

remember when she started banning people for saying she was drunk on new years?

>>1979723
I’m fine with it. She likes to interact with chat so it’ll be much better when it’s not flying at hyperspeed with over half of it being spam and emote trash.

>>1981765
n-n-naisu

>>1979723
I just want to see her fail so she can go back to what she used to be

>>1985183
hope she sees this, nerd

>>1984868
they are alreayd there.
Only peko, marine, mori and gura arent.

What makes me wonder is what will happen when she becomes the most suscribed vtuber.
That title alone will bring some interesting things with her.

>>1982127
Yeah I've noticed it doesn't push quite as hard.

>>1984699
I don't think Gura or Ame or the rest of EN sans the Rrat version of Kiara actually care about growing that much at the moment. Remember they were expecting HoloID numbers so by all metrics they are lightyears ahead of where they expected to be right now. Obviously they still want to grow but growing for the sake of growing is a dangerous game.

Another thing people ignore is what the girls want. Gura isn't a numberfag she didn't need to join hololive she could have remained in her old life. Gura is streaming the games she wants to stream and doing the streams she wants to do. It's why she has a members stream eat an entire day of streaming because she wants to have a comfy stream and not deal with a 12 million word per second chat. Gura literally tells her chat to go watch and support other girls.

>>1984917
I did not cherry pick the samples, maybe a bad phrasing from my part?
For all VODs I took 1000 random messages from the chat, (actually, 10 series of 100).
As I said, it makes the chat data not super reliable/accurate (messages per second and % of EOP) but I think it's still pretty good

>>1985342
The big sponsored events are already here
She's doing a sponsored watchalong of the newest trigger show with Ina.
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1376006132234383362?s=20

>>1984527
When wrestlers and idols graduate they're usually still alive out there somewhere. When Vtubers graduate they're basically killed off and their channels are nuked

>>1985171
I think she threatened to but never did. To be fair I was pretty drunk so my memory is a bit hazy.

>>1985483
>When wrestlers and idols graduate they're usually still alive out there somewhere
Anon do you know what WWE does when a Wrestler leaves the company or has a yab? The WWE literally unpersons people and pretends like they don't exist it is fucking insanity. They actually have on several occassions pretended like Hulk Hogan did not exist, erased his matches from the WWE Network, and banned talking about him on WWE programming a few years back. Wrestling Companies have actually told their fans pretend like that wrestler never existed we don't care if he was here for 10 years he doesn't exist anymore.

Also when a wrestler graduates they are usually LITERALLY dead. Those carnies will take bumps into their 90's.

>>1985636
okay Gura

>>1985463
oh didnt know it was sponsore.
>>1985406
i agree, ame,gura, kiara and even ina play plenty of different shit than their jp counterparts.i speak about content because it explain many things on views when cmaprng month by month. Last month she had projectdiva, papersplease, 2 valentine public streams,project diva, groovecoaste and 2 MC stream.
Reagardless fo what poeple say MC alwasy bring people.
Comapred to this month which was terraria, bpm,djmax,and supermetroid and papersplease series whcih isnt as strong on views except for terraria first stream.The only highlight this month has anyas and mori collabs on her channel and redebut stream.

imagine simping for a fat chick

>>1985922
>ina
She goes by "mumbles", thank you

>>1985775
How does that even make sense with wrestlers? Aren't they pretending to be a sport anyway? Sports have retired players/legends.

>>1985991
Shes the /fit/test out of all of HoloEN.

I feel like she's not even trying to grow her channel at this point. It's just so easy for her at the top, that she can comfortably keep going with the bare minimum effort.

Probably could reach 5 mil subs by the end of year if she would stream popular games, do collabs, and use her talent to create viral videos/songs

>>1986182
Her recent stream lengths don't qualify as minimum effort

has no one on this board ever heard of "plateauing"?
it is impossible for a vtuber to have constant high growth and what's happening is the numbers are stabilising after a long period of "hype"
completely normal stuff

>>1986287
She starting to stream more is a good sign. But she needing weekends off is still debuffuing herself.

>>1986024
So if you are in good standing with the company you are a "Legend" if you are not in good standing or working for another company they Benoit you and pretend like you never existed. The truth is Wrestlers never actually graduate unless going into the ring would literally kill them and even then that doesn't stop them.

It gets even weirder for example Sami Zayne and El Generico are the same person according to rrats though I have my doubts. Kevin Owens wrestling as Kevin Stein was best friends in kayfabe with him and real life but the kayfabe is important. They both jumped to WWE Kevin Owens essentially kept his indie gimmick meaning Kevin Owens is Kevin Stein meanwhile El Generico literally became a new character Sami Zayne changed his gimmick and everything. However they kept their in kayfabe friendship a thing. To compare it to VTubers this would be like if Delta collabed with Nene. .

>>1986449
Completely agree, because I'm Euro and most of the time have to settle for vods during work weeks. She should take her day(s) off during the week.

Great job EnMa you fucking seisofag.
https://youtu.be/Kt54cJVKGqI

>>1981638
To be fair, this pandemic was basically the biggest reason Vtubing took off the way it did. Anyone can and will tell you that. I think what we see as a slump Hololive sees as an inevitability. We know they were never gonna stay at the level they were in about around EN1 was launched and unless the world gets Rona 2 we will never see it again. I think those who are at 1 mil will stay there and those close to 1mil will get there. The others will be perfectly fine where they are.

>>1987813
Maybe not the biggest but it was a factor. There was the other thread going around about that Japanese comedian who said on a talkshow that he watched 35 hours of pekora while drinking in one go - even he says he checked out vtubers because of having to stay indoors due to pandemic reasons

>>1979882
sports are boring without people in the stadium, we're branching out to get our fill of live entertainment

>>1987813
>>1987945
It's literally how Nascar became a thing. There was a massive Blizzard that snowed millions of people indoors and it happened to happen during a legendary race.

>>1986134
>out of all of HoloEN
that's not saying much kek

>>1986590
Enma is a stupid bitch but this isn't her fault

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1981667
OGEY RRAT

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1987813
is a combination of things
Holos appealing to EOPs, pandemic putting people on house, poeple were there for both the debut of gen5 and graduation of aloe, the adhpocalypse, the rise of deals and eprmisison the taiwan suspensions and china bakck down, the bloom fest with all talents. Even the games popular then like amongus and fallguys let the talents interact with their new fanbases.
2020 was the eprfect storm for pushing hololive over the moon and wont be repeated again for them or any other now that vtubing seems to be mainstream.

>>1981667
Ogey Rrat

>>1981667
ogey rrat

>>1981073
Coco -40%
Korone -14%
fubuki -17%
pekora -25%

From the looks of it all hololive are losing views, and by your logic people are sick of them.