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The worst thing to come out of the entire Niji/Holo drama is that neither company are willing to criticize, or even acknowledge, the flaws that their company has.

People are blindly defending council, even though they are legitimately sub par. You have one person who never streams, another who is to busy with College to have a stable schedule, and a third that's too depressed to put any effort in. Only two are really working as full time "maximum effort" streamers. Omega picked 3 people for a gen of 5 who effectively can't stream. I'm not even angry at the streamers themselves. I'm angry at the retard who didn't see the issue with a full time artist nepotism hire, some on who uses They/Them pronouns, and a full time college student.

Oh and this goes for Nijisanji as well. That entire branch is nepotism, and Niji seems to have no idea how to do big events. The Niji equivalent's to the sports festival, or halloween party, or outfit debuts, or birthdays, are either underwhelming or are entirely none existent, which is wack when you consider that Nijis main strength over Holo is that it has better collabs. Even debuts are more something you bare with than look forward to.

Both companies need to fix their shit, and pretending they don't to "stick it to the rivals" is retarded. Its not beneficial to you OR your Oshi.
That and Niji/Holo shouldn't even be enemies. They have largely separate markets. Vshojo is inclining of Holo incline, NOT Niji

>> No.19815079

Worst thing is that they are getting free publicity because of all the dramafags. Every other thread now is about Niji.

>> No.19815087
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19815087

Tldr

>> No.19815098

shut up fag

>> No.19815218

>>19815087
Blindly defending legitimate issues is retarded and fuckers who do it are tarded.

>>19815079
This place is a tiny sphere of the vtubing community that largely doesn't matter. The publicity they get here doesn't matter. I'd be more worried about free Vshojo publicity.

Once again: Vshojo are the ones ACTUALLY Inclining of Holo Recline.

>> No.19815276

>>19815079
This. Shitposters are doing a far better advertising campaign than Anykara ever could.
A lot of the Fulgur threads have people talking about his streams now that they realize he's one big kayfabe heel and actually has decent taste in games. The Finana anti threads very quickly turn into how much people want to fuck the smelly fish.
If you open the catalog now, you're washed over in NijiEN faces. Open up /#/ and it's basically a recommendation thread as people get mad about the latest highly performing stream.

If tribalfags really wanted to see NijiEN crumble, they'd just shut the fuck up about them and leave them in obscurity.

>> No.19815280

Anon Vshojo is the containment company for turbonormies, Hololive and Nijisanji shouldn't want the kind of viewers that Vshojo has

>> No.19815324

>>19815023
TL;DR

>> No.19815350

>>19815280
Anon, as long as they give them money they don't care who they are. Bonus points since Normies tend to cause less drama than Gachis

>> No.19815367

Dramaposters only give a shit about drama, not holo or niji

>> No.19815464

>>19815023
I'll bite the bait since I'm bored. Also I'll assume you mean EN with this dumb spiel, and not actual Niji, because Holo has nothing on events like NJU and Koushien.

>Niji equivalent's to the sports festival
Not a thing. The branch wide collabs on the main channel have usually been great though, the only one that wasn't the best was the MK8 one.

>halloween party
The drunk Phasmo stream where Elira and Finana crashed 3 other streams was better than any stream HoloEN has put out ever, let alone their sanitized VRC shit for Halloween.
>Outfit debut
Pomu's outfit reveal was more creative than any HoloEN outfit reveal besides Ame's first one.
>birthday
NijiEN birthdays are almost invariably kino as all the girls get together in a group totsu. It's better than the one on one totsu's for sure as the conversation's are more free-flowing and cursed. Nina's birthday stream was probably the best one, but there's not a single one that's been not a full on event since Obsydia debut.

>debuts
Debuts are boring for anyone, but I prefer the bite-sized approach Niji has, I don't want to sit for 5 hours as complete newbies scramble to fill time.

>> No.19815529

>>19815350
>Normies tend to cause less drama than Gachis
Normies pronounpost and cry about them wholesum niggerinos and chinkerinos 24/7, they are the source of 99% of the drama, are you blind? Also these retards only donate for retarded causes like the "I'm dying plz help" streams of that retarded vshojo spic and Hololive and Nijisanji don't bait those things
Keep twittards into twitch, you don't want them shitflinging about lolis, incels, gachis, no male collabs, gender equality, diversity in vtubing and trans rights in your streams

>> No.19815560

>>19815023
Oh also "Nepotism" (which here just means knowing the indie circle and not being a hermit) isn't bad when it leads to results like hiring literally the best EN Vsinger on the market who's also a very funny streamer

>> No.19815591

>>19815350
>/vt/ circlejerking and numberfagging /#/
I can't believe new people are showing up and some of them suck

>> No.19815903

>>19815529
"Fans" like you are worse than dramafags. You'd rather gatekeep your hobby because of your insecurities than enjoy and share it with others

>> No.19816176

>Nipplelivers are actually holorejects who think about hololive and numbers all day.
This statement is not a shitpost anymore
>Council was suppose to be 5 guras its a flop!
This still is.

>> No.19816313

>>19815079
So this is how it becomes the Nijiboard all it took was seethe and rage.

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>>19815023

>> No.19817365

>>19815903
This is the kind of fan the average normalfag is
https://web.archive.org/web/20220305151132/https://twitter.com/funkygirlfriend/status/1500126186495950851

>> No.19817443

>>19815023
>attack helpless women
>OH NO NO NO WE NIJIGGERS ARE THE VICTIM

Do nijishitters really, the amount of post in the leak just screams how insufferable nijilivers are.

>> No.19817445

>>19817365
That person got shat all over even by the normalfags. 20-1 ratio, all replies are negative, post deleted.

>> No.19817702

>>19815280
Instead they want the dramafags that attack their own talent over a bf

>> No.19817809

>>19817365
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220305151132/https://twitter.com/funkygirlfriend/status/1500126186495950851
My point was just enjoy chuubas while they last

>> No.19819446

>>19816176
Its a shitpost that holds truth though. Council are INCREDIBLY subpar, compared to both Myth and a good portion of NijiEN. Calling Pomu, Selen, Elira, Rosemi, whoever, a Hololive reject seems like a massive cope when you realize that the people who did get in are shit at their job.

>>19817365
That isn't a normie, the idea that Twitter schizos are normal people is utterly absurd. Twitter is debatably an even worse place than 4chan. 80% of twitters posts are my by 20% of its users.
And even then they STILL got dogpiled and shat on until she deleted it.

>> No.19820037

>>19819446
they wouldn't be performing worse than council is they were good.

vox manages to grab results, why aren't your holorejects able to?

>> No.19820136

>>19819446
>80% of twitters posts are my by 20% of its users
This is true everywhere.
>so-called electronic communities encourage participation in fragmented, mostly silent, microgroups who are primarily engaged in dialogues of self-congratulation. in other words, most people lurk; and the ones who post, are pleased with themselves.

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>>19820037
>they wouldn't be performing worse than council if they were good.
stupidest cope I've ever seen. You're willingly ignoring that council debuted on the shoulders of Myth, Haachama, and Kiryu fucking Coco. They had more subscribers at debut than a lot of NijiEN has now simply because they were in the same company as Gura.

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19823822

The best thing to come out of this is that /vt/ realizes how small and pathetic they really are

>> No.19823892

I've never seen a good post with a Pomu pic attached

>> No.19824002

>>19815023
I get complaining about Sana because she disappeared for practically a month without saying anything, but no one is entitled to streams.

>> No.19824372

>>19815464
This is a personal issue but I fucking hate the birthday streams. There group is too large now and there’s too many voices and strong personalities. Also there’s the silent pressure to be there because everyone else is

>> No.19824516

>>19815903
>Gatekeeping is bad
Fucking retard you are unironically a normalfag, ask me how I know that you got into chuubas after 2021 and how I know that you have never watched a japanese stream
Go back to Twitter

>> No.19824731

>>19824516
Seethe more about "normies" invading your special club nerd, I just watch chuubas because they're fun KEKW *dabs*

>> No.19825010

>>19824731
Fuck off.

>> No.19825080

>>19825010
No I'm inviting Joel from Discord xd

Just wait till this hits my tumbler blog

>> No.19825400

>>19815280
People who say this are delusional. They'll happily claim that Hololive is the biggest company in the world, then deny that this also makes them the most normie infested. You only get as big as Hololive by getting an audience full of actual normal people who watch your shit. Especially since Hololive projects a more friendly and safe image so that normies don't feel weird about approaching them. Niji and VShojo fill different niches in the west and are way less normie by contrast.

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>>19815023
Reminder that vtuber corpos literally operate by the BITE model of authoritorian manipulation, and both zealot nijisis and holobros are too stupid to realize they're fighting to death for a cause that never recruited them.

>> No.19825480

>>19817365
>ike raped his exes
kek what?

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>>19817365
This is how smart your average gatekeeping retard is. This shit got no traction whatsoever and it's being presented like the end of the world

>> No.19825598

>>19825400
I'd counterargue that at least half hol9 fanbase either also watches niji/vshoujo or eventually only watches niji/vshoujo because they are the "adult" side od vtubing.
Of course, remember that for prepubescent retards that means farts, poggers and saying dirty words on stream.

>> No.19825688

>>19817365
That's not even a normalfag, just a leech trying to impose it's hivemind on another niche it doesn't belong in.

>> No.19826089

MY FAVORITE COMPANY IS BETTER THAN YOUR FAVORITE COMPANY

>> No.19828452

>>19815023
Nice blog post retard

>> No.19828827

>>19815023
tldr: I think because 4chan has a 2000 character limit that I can write these long ass posts and people will read them.

>> No.19829374

>>19824516
gatekeeping is a worthless mindset. you will always lose faggot

>> No.19829398

>>19815218
I knew Vshojo was the one winning, no one cares about Nijisanji unless it includes the faggots and Hololive is a bunch of lazy girls.

>> No.19829562

>>19815023
>The worst thing to come out of the entire Niji/Holo drama is that neither company are willing to criticize, or even acknowledge, the flaws that their company has.
How do you know? All we got is an extremely small excerpt of their convos.

I'm sure they're thinking of ways to improve too.

>> No.19829689

>>19815276
>Finana anti threads are making her incline
>Didn't even get 1k playing her most popular game
>Prepares some other cope

>> No.19829924

>>19824731
>KEKW
Back to twitch to watch the dying spic beg for money, faggot.

>> No.19830073

>>19815023
Do you have to whine about everything? Just enjoy the streams. Be glad there are flaws for you to get mad about because if there wasn't you probably wouldn't be interested in it.

>> No.19830104

>>19829924
That's a good point anon but you didn't consider that [Spoiler]you should kill yourself [/Spoiler] xd lmao

>> No.19832050

>>19815023
Finally a sensible post. I literally dropped both companies because the fanbase was too circlejerky. >>19825457
I honestly don’t understand how so many people on here fall into this mentality. Why would you defend and worship a company to the death? Hololive and Nijisanji has become like religion to some people. I’m honestly starting to think most posters here are bots honestly.

>> No.19832121

>>19815023
Go back spic. I know where you're from.

>> No.19832433

>>19832050
I don't know how many but there are definitively some of them who don't really care about their company and just enjoy drama or want to see the other one fall.

>> No.19832842

holocondoms tried to turn a 7 line blurry picture with relatively normal dialogue into a cancelfest and failed at it

>> No.19832929

>>19832842
the virtualyoutubers board on reddit cancelled them

>> No.19833043

>>19832929
They also had to try twice. The first thread was all replies like "Looks like normal shittalking, who cares?" so they locked it and made a new one which is all sanctimonious pearl-clutching.

>> No.19833119

>>19815023
>the entire Niji/Holo drama

what drama? you mean the thing that only mentally ill schizos on this board keep beating like a dead horse and made no difference whatsoever in terms of streams or content and was moved on from and forgotten almost as quickly as it happened?

please touch grass. or take your meds. preferably both.

>> No.19833376

>>19832050
you let some random tribalfags ruin something you enjoyed...
weakness disgusts me

>> No.19833388

>>19815023
That's entirely a Holofag problem and you know it. Also, there isn't as much nepotism as you claim to say in Nijisanji. All of the talents got in via audition. And events like Koshien were in the 200ks numberwise, far more than the Sports Festival in Holoshit.

>> No.19834238

>>19815023
Holofags know those problems very well. It's only because it came from a rival group that they got mad. It's like a "only I can insult my siblings" kinda thing.

>> No.19834246

NijiEN will forever be painted as drama instigators, HoloEN members have never acknowledged NijiEN as rivals, at least not exposed publicly, of course.

Things were better when tribalfaggotry was contained amongst the fans. But ever since that leak, now tribalfags have the ammo to escalate tribalfaggotry now they have the validation and proof that the talents actually talk about their supposed rivals behind closed doors. In my opinion they should've never had that conversation, private or no, and Furgur should've never been confident about masking his assumption as fact.

>> No.19834689

>>19834246
>aloe never existed

>> No.19835163

>>19815276
>using pro wrestling terminology while being this wrong

We're a tiny intersection of fanbases and you're making the rest of us look worse

>> No.19839607

Welcome to brands.

>> No.19839879

>>19839607
No. Just Holofag delusion. Niji fans appreciate the medium. Holofags just worship a brand.

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>>19815079
>Every other thread now is about Niji.
Hook, line, and sinker.

>> No.19843870

>>19815023
45% of this board's entire post catalogue is posts in /hlgg/

Your argument means nothing because the average person doesn't even look at the catalogue they just look for the next hlgg thread

Cope about it btw, this is and always will be the board that exists for the mass that is known as hlgg

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>>19835163
>he doesn't know about the /pw/ - /vt/ connection
KWAB

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im rofling lmao kek kekker

>> No.19847471

>>19832050
>dropping Nijisanji or Hololive because of /vt/ shitposting
This is legitimately what women do.

>> No.19848956

>>19815023
>That entire branch is nepotism
Oh, it's retarded.

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