/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>19763747
Why are they so retarded. At least make clause of a minimal 2year active or something

>>19763794
Good faith i gues? this company even buys their girls pc parts, entire pc, mics
Not even Cover buys their girls computers and mics to increase the stream quality

>trusting clout chasing whores to not backstab you after giving them all the respurces to go indipendent
>they do it in the end
Ooofff

Cyberlive management must be absolutely fucking loaded if they can afford to have policies like this

A big lesson to learn for all corpos.
If you're going to work with women, make your contract woman proof.

>>19763890
>believing in people
Ngmi.
Kindness will be returned with greed. Humans are selfish creatures.

bitches and hoes

>>19763747
>That last part
It's not a bad idea if you can financially maintain it. You disseminate graduated talents on friendly terms with your company, with models and assets linked to your company as a form of free advertising and networking.

I find it's in good form to let them keep their images.


AFTER breaking even.
I'd thrust upon them a 2~ year service clause before letting them keep it. And they'd still have to buy the assets, at cost.

And finally, after all that, I'd try and make sure the agency marketed with that exit in mind, to gain clout with the audience.

>>19764196
>as a form of free advertising and networking.
Yeah but if all the girls fuck off as they have no consequences sooner or later there won't be any company
>Boss, i fuck off, and i take the entire office furniture with me
>Sad to see you go :(
It shouldn't just fucking work like that

>>19764102
I heard quite the opposite really, or that they splurged so much on shit that they barely get by.

>>19764229
After breaking even means that they took a loss (since the money spent on her could be spent on a chuuba that stays and earns money), should be something like cyberlive gets 10% (or something) of her income as long as she uses their design

>>19764102
they can't produce merch they promised months ago and you think they have money? the management is fucking retarded too with their contracts that gives their talents FULL CONTROL of their character, no one else in this industry offer contracts so disfavorable for the company itself

They don't even make enough money to be considered a real business or agency, who cares what they do

>>19764268
Last I heard from Lumi and Misaki themselves, which was quite a while ago, the company, while not having recovered the initial investment, was on the road of doing it. So they're on an ascending trend and not falling deeper into debt. They may have succeeded in recovering their investment by now, I don't know, the stream I was referencing happened months ago.

Internet has black pilled me around women.
Back in HS(2009) i'd be one of those fags who'd white knight every women and now i fucking hate most of them.
I hope that this is a lesson they never forget.

>>19764495
Too bad Lumi and Yuri were two of their main money makers.
Poor panda, the last of their gen1 left alive

>>19763747
and this is why contracts are a thing, everyone thinks that they are just there trip you up but it's literally the only thing standing between you getting taken advantage off by less than upfront parties. Tsunderia went through the same thing.

>>19764495
Recovering an investment is not good enough for a company. If that's all you wanted you could just stick your money in the bank and do something else with your time for a year and end up with a lot more.
I expect Cyberlive will be dead within 3 months, the whole thing is unsustainable.

>>19764668
>and this is why contracts are a thing
The problem is that their contract allow graduation on the whim and the talent keep everything

>>19764102
You see lumis 3d model? They paying for the lowest of the low.

>>19764681
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDdmoA79bfI8DHDnE_Yy2dg
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfcizLIjD-OMeWbdeC8UPUw
Unless nothing else happen to them they should still manage to stay afloat

>>19763747
They probably have a buy out clause like tsun and phase
https://youtu.be/_K205OFTa0w?t=5325

>>19764311
A permanent rent necessitates they keep ownership of the name.

After break even just means they aren't running on a loss. 2 years is plenty generous to actually turn a profit if you're smart with your expenses. These specific numbers are not important to us, they're the ones that have to do the math and say "this is a viable commercial model"

>>19764705
well they should've consulted an actual lawyer for that then

Its the typical millennial mindset that "the companies do what they do just because they are evil and greedy" when reality is far more complex than that, as they learn whenever they form a company.

>https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1490416039728848896?s=20&t=hT1OYMsHPe69Fp8KyA_cRA
>https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1500608187732402176?s=20&t=hT1OYMsHPe69Fp8KyA_cRA
>https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1490830094616592386?s=20&t=hT1OYMsHPe69Fp8KyA_cRA
Tsunderia cursed moved on someone else it seems

>>19764909
That's old news, she's returning this week.

>>19764750
>Southeast Asian with mostly SEA fans
>About to be on hiatus starting today for an undisclosed amount of time
Yeah...

>>19763890
Because Cover attracts talent by having an established fanbase and connections. Smaller corpos don't have that, so they'll start promising other incentives. It's just that Cyber Live didn't think things through with their contracts and promises while their talent found the loophole. It'd be pretty funny (and smart) if everyone just graduates immediately after getting their own 3d models and still do collabs which each other, now with total freedom.

>>19763747
Even if they didn't let them keep anything they could've still graduated, Phase Connect is the ONLY one of the small corpos that hasn't had anyone leave as yet, and that might change after they get another gen.

>>19763747
>>19763794
>>19764035
>>19764102
>>19764113
VShojo lets talents have control over their model and stuff and they don't seem to be having any problems. I think it's just that Cyberlive is a shit company all around.

>>19765182
Pls understand Holofags are unable to cope with Hololive because a black company

>>19765182
>VShojo lets talents have control over their model and stuff
Is there any of them that didn't started as independed first and then associated under the brand? They also were looking specifically for already established vtubers
Hardly the same, the "company" never owned Veibae, Melody or Nyanners etc to begin with

>>19765138
To be fair phase is the only small corpo that pays a salary for all the members as well as the ceo giving an allowance for streaming related costs which one talent abused to spend on gacha

What's the name of the font?

>>19765182
Do VShojo even take a cut of earnings? They're more of a streamer group than a company, everyone already had their identities before signing up.

>>19765182
As if Vshojo is anything more than a guy profiting off letting a group of friends do whatever they want, like, Vshojo has NO rules so ofc they will stay and get the Corpo boost

>>19765182
Vshojo is literally just a group of people who were already famous using anime avatars instead of streaming with their faces
they can fuck off and do whatever they want anytime

>>19763747
Is there serious non-compete clause? What moron drew up this contract?

>>19763747
is he even making a livable profit off this?

>>19765356
How is it not the same? The company doesn't own their models and they can leave at any time. That sounds exactly the same as Cyberlive.

>>19765489
VShoujo didn't spent money or created the characters

>>19763747
These smaller corpos need to figure out a better approach. 6 or so months between gens isn't working out for some BUT I think CyberLive and Kawaii both got one new star each from their new gen.

>>19765489
They're operating in 2 different ballparks.
Cyberlive is a startup founded by an anonymous owner providing models, characters, & all the other shit to new chuubas/small name ones, and not all of their talents make enough $ to live off of. Vshojo is essentially a management firm founded by a large name with a lot of connections that only recruits already highly established talents.
If both pull in say 10% of their talent's income but Vshojo is able to get them marketing deals & other additional income streams while Cyberlive's value is essentially starting them up as a chuuba, why stay once you're established and let them take a cut?

>>19763890
More like Cybersimps. Jeez, that's dumb for a company to do. You're letting the girls rob you.

>>19763747
White company, black woman.

Where's my fucking merch?

>>19765792
>anonymous owner

let me guess, sex for the model.

>>19764834
Yes you are right my fellow 4channer who is not a shill. Amazon, Google, Shell and all the other megacorporations are not greedy at all. Infact they do what they do for the good of mankind

>>19765398
Kawaii also gives an allowance for streaming related things, but I think that only started this year.

>>19765182
They pay for their own models and all had them before even joining anon, what the fuck kind of comparison are you making.
Yeah shockingly if you pay for your own model you own and keep it. The vast majority of corpo vtubers auditioned and were GIVEN a model to use that they didn't get a say in, paid for by the corpo

>>19765182
>the "company" where all the largely popular former indie talents joined with their own models isn't having any problems
Wow that's crazy

>>19766113
Maybe. I mean, he better be getting something in return because they're really FUCKING HIM OVER.
Though a good lesson for other people to learn from.

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

Is it a surprise that the 3 talents that have left are the ones that got 3D models. Expect Pandora to leave once she gets hers too.

>>19763890
Such a good company. I'm losing my faith in humanity to see such a good deed ends up getting exploited.

>>19765019
Emma gets some fat digits in donos.

>>19766609
Wait until you hit the full disillusionment with humanity and trying to be better than your own nature stage of life. Well, unless you go full delusional route and actually think you're different.

>>19763747
Is this the company that was selling one on one dates for the biggest paypigs?

>>19764145
>Kindness will be returned with greed. Women are selfish creatures.

Of course it's an EN cringe hololive ripoff company

>>19765182
The state of the nijifags.

>>19766609
Anon this whole board exists because of an industry that's primary objective is to exploit people. Find a new hobby before your oshi hurts you.

>>19765403
nah, donates and subs are 100% owned by the talents, VShojo only takes cuts from merch and large company-arranged collabs

>>19763747
>>19763890
>2D models, Live2D rigging, and 3D models all cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars
>Give them to your talents for keeps with no contract binding
>Even give them equipment and computer parts with no return policy
What the fuck? Who would ever run a business like this? Of course all you're going to get are indies who want to get a free model and then fuck off. Any company that operates like this SHOULD go bankrupt, it's retarded.

>>19763747
Is this company run by some zoomer who isn't old enough to remember the Conan vs Leno saga?

>>19766787
Yeah, what is funny that the 3 people that have left cyberlive were the ones with that.

>>19767000
The intent must be to get some loyalty, too bad it's women they're working with...

>>19767340
Oh shit, so the first three are all gone now?

I hope this doesn't mean Lumi will be in hololive
don't need that face streamer

>>19767407
that's finnish Lumi, not chinese Lumi

>>19767407
That's wolf Lumi and not star Lumi you idiot

>>19767484
>>19767493
Ah right. Too many Lumis.

>>19767340
How many times did those donations happen?

>>19767391
Pandora il the only Gen 1 left.
How is Cyberlive management so reterded wtf

>>19767652
They scrapped them before debut due to the backlash.

>>19767391
Cyberlive gen 1 had 5 members.
Yuri, Ayano and Lumi left/are leaving
Seina barely streams and Pandora actually brought her predebut indie model to cyberlive.

>>19764196
Letting people just take your stuff and leave is good marketing but how you recover losses from that? kek

>>19767912
>brought her model to cyberlive
What was even the fucking point?

>>19767943
this is why any competent company would've put in a "minimum time served" clause, along with some kind of severance fee clause so they can't just milk you for all you're worth before fucking off

>>19767871
Good thing they don't have to listen to corpos anymore then.

This company is too kind, they need to be more harsher with assets they provide to their talents, at this rate they lost two heavy hitters (no one cares about Hylo) and all they're left with is a talent that attracted the SEAnigger audience to their company

>>19767912
Is Lumi really that short?

>>19768274
Wasn't Cyberlive also the company that let you buy private dates with the members if you spent enough money? They took a lot of shit for that, I'm surprised people are acting like they were some beloved company that got manipulated by evil girls.

Good, now Chappy can incline and take over the company.

>>19768078
Corpos bring visibility.

>>19768078
Probably thought it would be the next Vshoujo without realizing that the VS girls had a large pre-existing fanbase that made their company model economically viable.

>>19766846
Fun fact, the intended name was Cyberlife but then they find out the name was in use in Detroit Become Human.

>>19768630
actually the original name was yunity and then all the talents left because the manager was a minor who lied about having a degree and was dating the CEO. misaki is that manager btw. it's just the name that changed

>>19768436
That didn't float>>19767871 but now that they got the fuck outta Cyberlive, they can restart those paid perks. I'm starting to suspect that the ones behind that date idea were the talents themselves.

>>19763747
>OP doesn't understand how business works
Let me lay out two scenarios for you:

>Let them leave WITHOUT vtuber models.
Model and all related assets are now worthless and unusable.
>Let them leave WITH vtuber models
Model used as negotiating leverage for terms of exit. Talent now owes several thousand dollars of debt to the company, or the talent lets the company take X months of income before they're released from the contract.

Remember the ultimate purpose of a corporation is not to create and keep talent, it's to earn money. It doesn't matter how many talents they lose as long as they earn more money than they put in.

>>19763794
>>19763890
They company is based on the U.S. Which in every state except Montana, means "at-will" or "you can quit or be fired at literally a moment's notice". So depending on their classification, it may literally be illegal to have a minimum work period. (Not to mention it may not be practical; an entertainer held against their will by contract might perform far worse than normal.)

>>19768789
I think you can ask in the thread if they're willing to answer but I've seen that it was apparently Hylo's idea.

>>19768792
You can definitely have a minimum work period in the US for a contract. They can still leave, but usually you're entitled to fees for it.
t. contractor in burgerland

>>19768792
>They company is based on the U.S.
California, they are a californian agency

>>19768789
>>19768856
So then the answer seems obvious, right? Immediately discontinue supporting those three and continue to wholeheartedly support Cyberlive. They still have other talents left who haven't betrayed the company.

>move to Twitch
>get 3D model
>Byyyyye!

>>19769249
>move to twitch so cyberlive can get a twitch team
>get 3D model
>get 2nd outfit
>become a manager
>byyyyye

>>19769161
I mean it's honestly a little too late for that. If you can just get out of there and take stuff without repercussion, then others will just follow. If I were them, I would call for a meeting and discuss a revision of their contracts with their talents in exchange for some other rewards for sticking with them (and also hire a competent lawyer while they're at it).

Lumi was getting a proper wage since getting the promotion to talent manager within the company, so it's more than just fucking off to next clout

>people unironically rooting for management
>in a company they don't know at all
So this is the future that YAGOO has given us, where people worship the management just as much as the vtubers, huh...

>>19769416
I'm looking through their channels and every single one of them hasn't streamed in at least four days, some of them haven't streamed in literal weeks. What a disaster. It's like looking at Council's schedules.

>>19768078
Because it has a history of not mattering in the end, you just don't leave your hole.

>>19769543
I don't care about corpo tubers, they're just glorified starbucks baristas

>>19768792
How are you disagreeing with the OP? Your negotiated terms example only works if the vtuber doesn't own the rights, which is effectively his point.

>>19769560
They also stream on Twitch.

>>19769560
most of them migrated full time on twitch

>>19769719
>>19769766
Great idea, split your audience across two different websites. No wonder they're struggling.

>>19769543
It's not rooting for the management to say their business model is dumb and open to be exploited, which is mostly what people are commenting on. Whatever happened behind the scenes, that will still be true.

>>19769824
It worked for Phase

>>19769824
If they're going full time to Twitch I think we can say they don't want a YT audience.

>>19769824
The general strategy is
>rush monetisation on Youtube with the fresh debut buff
>start alternating with Twitch to see what kind of numbers you pull there
>turn the platform giving you better numbers into your main platform (usually it's Twitch)

>>19769530
Source: OP's ass

>>19769824
Twitch straight works better for not established streamers

If anyone wants to know the graduation count is:
>Cyberlive - 3
>myholoTV - 3
>Kawaii - 2
>Tsunderia - 2
>Prism Project - 1
>Phase Connect - 0
Who's next?

>>19769543
And nobody here likes Yagoo anyway. That whole thing where people worship him and call him best girl is a complete reddit meme.

>>19763747
This is the reason why we only have black companies.

>>19770064
>this is what /qa/tards actually believe

>>19769824
It literally works

>>19769824
it's shocking but, only schizo care more about the platform than the streamer.
If someone you follow moves you move too

>>19770125
Really? No one's gonna back me up on this?

>>19770221
You're right that nobody /here/ likes Yagoo, but he's generally seen neutrally at worst everywhere else and positively on average. Minor shit like posing with new merch generates surprisingly good PR

>CyberLive
more like CuckedLive
>talents openly flirt with moderators on and off stream, even addressing them on a first-name basis
Lumi and Yuri are just graduating so they can drop the yuri bait charade to talk about taking dick 24/7, the absolute state of cucks

>>19770297
>You're right that nobody /here/ likes Yagoo
you sure about that?

>>19770744
yes, you're a nobody

>>19770221
I don't know if you've noticed anon but this is a cyberlive thread, not your usual tribalwar thread where everyone trips over themselves to prove their "true 4chan cred" by showing how much they hate "things 4chan doesn't like"

>>19770817
But I'm you

>>19770064
>And nobody here likes Yagoo anyway
how to say you're a tourist without saying you're a tourist

>>19763747
>This is why NO ONE SERIOUS allow their bitches the copyright of their assets.
more like
>this is why anyone with a clue makes sure that those assets have a minimum employment duration before transfer of ownership if they're going to offer to let the talents keep their characters post-employment
that said, cyberlive isn't exactly a company that has it's act together in the first place, asset transfer or not.
>>19764549
you need to go back.
>>19765270
>aaaaa holofags
rent free
>aaaaa black company
you wouldn't know a black company if you worked for one.
>>19766151
businesses are evil and greedy, but to varying degrees. some aspire to take over everything, some just want to care out a fiefdom.
>>19766802
go back.
>>19769161
whether or not that matters depends on how many people actually care enough to do it. and realistically, more people are going to support talents than the companies they leave, with everyone having their own reasoning.
>>19770064
nobody really likes him, but nobody actually dislikes him either. he's just sorta there, after all. for all the scapegoating whenever shit happens, at the end of the day it's just shitposts.
>r-reddit!
man.

>>19770019
We need to bump that Tsunderia number up to 4

>>19768792
I had to sign a contract at my job that said if I leave before 2 years I have to pay back all the free training and certification programs I take advantage of.

>>19770019
Who's the second from Kawaii?

>>19771263
Imagine thinking a 17 year old knows how to write a contract.

>>19770095
Based, give your "employees" power and leverage and they'll show you that loyalty means nothing.

>>19771292
Hana Flore and Aruru Gray just graduated a few days ago after ghosting the company and other talents.

>>19770064
Most Yagoo posting is just memes yeah, I think we realized long before this board was made that he's more of a figurehead than an actual leader at this point.

>>19771447
Oh I didn't even hear about a member named Aruru.

>>19769671
Because OP seems to imply that because talents are leaving, the company is somehow stupid and bleeding money. When in fact it could be reasonably profitable to use this system. Like how silicon valley incubators supply the startup resources in exchange for a cut of future gains.
>>19768945
It's not certain if they are employees or contractors since we don't know how they are paid. However, it's likely a court would probably classified them as employees.
>1) work autonomy.
The only autonomy that they have seems to be scheduling. Rules of conduct, exclusivity (can't moonlight as another vtuber), all point to being employees. Hell, even their names and appearances have to be approved by the company.
>2) financial control
Presumably all pay goes through the company to prevent theft. Additionally, all capital (vtuber assets) were paid for by the company. Employees are usually provided the tools needed to work, contractors usually bring their own. (And no, a personal PC does not count for this purposes since it was originally bought for private use, not exclusively for this job)
>3) nature of the relationship
Contractors usually worked for fixed terms with renewal opportunities, and can even work for other companies at the same time. Employees have open-ended contracts and work regularly and consistently.

A more contractor-type entertainer might be something like a small indie band visiting various clubs to play live music; they can choose where they go, when they go, and who they contract with.

>>19771586
We already know Cyberlive isn't swimming in money

>>19771567
She was pretty cute.

>>19771256
What do you mean? Did I miss something?

>>19763747
Wait. They quit? The girls that's been shilling cyberlive the most withe even the twitch shit quit? What the fuck happened?

>>19769824
2views will be 2views no matter the platform, but Twitch works better for those chuubas, the recommendation and search system is worse than YT, but it has way better options for interaction (bits, soundbytes, etc), and while their system is worse than YT it's easier to connect multiple chuubas by raids, with some luck you might get someone big raiding you.

>>19771796
>The girls that's been shilling cyberlive the most
As long as they are still under contract, they have to behave accordingly. Last thing they want is to be accused of undermining whatever exit agreement they negotiated, allowing the company to take them to court or change the exit terms to less favorable ones.

>>19771796
Why would you stay? It's like if you were a musician and a record company came up to you and said "here's all brand new instruments, a recording studio, and you get to keep the rights to everything you make with us and take the instruments, no charge if you leave"

>>19771738
Fuck, why the FUCK are we in the timeline where you can't just swap out VAs so these models don't get thrown out?

>>19771961
I honestly think they are actually mad that gen 2 is more popular than them. Especially the SEAmonkey.

>>19771738
>>19772092
You should have heard her voice. It was prime.

>>19772092
That was the kawaii's 2nd design from torino so hopefully we will get another one for gen 3.

>>19769543
There's only one manager I worship

>>19771796
There's a Q&A towards the end of her latest stream, it doesn't explain everything but it's still worth a watch.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1417886682

>>19771796
Turns out the rumored black company is a black company. Lumi got promoted to manager and realised just how fucked it was.

>>19769560
Of the 5 gen 2 talents, 1 talent has been on medical leave & is coming back this week, 1 just did a week on twitch to push for affiliate (but is about to go on medical leave), and one is on vacation. The 3 streamers still active in gen 1 moved to twitch.
Only one of the 2 remaining talents in gen 2 uses youtube as their primary platform.

>>19772108
This is the most truthful.

>>19771159
You seem to be on a hair-trigger to tell niggas to go back, having come from leddit yourself, fake-chama

>>19772304
give timestamp

>>19772909
~4h20m

>>19763747
Chances are Cyberlive Gen 3 contracts are going to be different

>>19772108
If their Gen 2 is actually doing well I'd be impressed

>>19765182
>VShojo lets talents have control over their model and stuff and they don't seem to be having any problems
VShojo has the merchandise rights

>>19764102
That can't be true if they allowed 2 of their talents to graduate. Typical case of poor mismanagement.

>>19773539
A 17 year old ran the company.

>>19766802
yeah sure buddy as if men weren't selfish.

>>19771796
>even the twitch shit
You mean where Lumi quadrupled her audience and income and eventually swapped to as her main platform?
Yeah, can't image why she put up with that.

>>19763890
Women are faithless whores.

>>19767000
They should've pulled a VShojo and have co-ownership of talents commercial rights. If the talent were to become big outside the company Cyberlive can sill make company off the IP

>>19773399
Partial rights.
Some of them still run their streamlabs merch stores, just not with VS branded items.

>>19773597
actual dead rrat

>>19774414
This is why VShojo needs popular vtubers. The only way that works are with streamer with already large audiences

>>19774442
The similarity in branding speaks volumes
https://web.archive.org/web/20210219185004/https://twitter.com/yunityen/status/1362836807373623296
https://web.archive.org/web/20210405020019/https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1378890132145725441

>They were handing assets off!
Weird how the yunity fiverr keeps commissioning people
https://www.fiverr.com/yunityofficial
Wonder if you recognize this vtuber
https://trello.com/c/5Iap9GMX/13-yunityofficial

Keep coping that CyberLive isn't Yunity.

>>19774748
VS bringing 2views into the company now is feasible since the audience is so large, but it would depend heavily on the existing talent not feeling that their own income was being threatened.
That issue might also be at play in Cyberlive, where the audience isn't yet big enough to cover the spread.

>>19775319
It would also depend on whether the current members liked them. It seems to very much be a nepotism only group

>>19774806
The fact that Misaki sounds EXACTLY like the Yunity manager speaks volumes

>>19775807
>implying you've ever heard the voice of the Yunity manager

black company getting what it deserves. i really want to hear more about it from the three that left/are leaving, there have to be more reasons to why they left.

>>19776958
I know these reasons and they're not what all of you are speculating about.
Just leave it. You'll never know. CyberLive isn't evil.

>>19775919
Sure have :)

>>19777142
:)

>>19777101
Yeah it isn't evil.
It's just run by retards that don't know how to startup.

>>19765792
>anonymous owner essentially gives girl career
ultimate saviourfag?

>>19772390
If they're a black company and they just let their talents go with expensive resources that the company just made, then they are doing something wrong. These fuckers are actually the opposite of a black company, they make it incredibly enticing and rewarding for talents to leave the company, even giving the vtubers everything they need to become their competitors in an already niche field.

Yuri has a graduation Q&A right now
https://www.twitch.tv/amarisyuri

>>19777716
Manages herself and pays for most her stuff by herself.

>>19763747
That's a pretty ethical move.
A company should provide more than just the assets.
If what they provide doesn't compensate the share they take from the talents' revenue then the company is not needed.

>>19777491
if it's as good as they claim, the talents have no reason for leaving. You can tell the girls are stressed, and that's just from lumi and yuri. Hylo clearly hates the company. Which begs the question again, why in the hell would they leave if they have been given the best contract a corpo could possibly give? i dont think its that hard to piece together with things like janked 3d model, minimal activity to twitter, no activity from misaki, no merch, no official website and etc.

>>19774806
it's not a fuckign secret that cyberlife is a rebrand of that shit company with a new ceo, only misaki was kept from previous management

Someone get this mesugaki out of this sinking ship
https://youtu.be/sYf8uknMIyI

>>19779071
Because if they leave, not only do they get to keep their 3d models and whatever assets they'll use to continue streaming, but with an added bonus of not actually giving any cuts of their revenue to Corpos and more freedom to possibly do more stuff like the donation perks that was scrapped. They all have that stuff, a website, some limited time merch and they update their twitter, at least as I see it. They have the best contract (for the talents' side at least) BECAUSE it actually incentives talents to leave anytime they want, preferably after the corpo finished making their 3d models. Do you know how generous that is? If they leave they get more money, all the assets they'll need for free, all the merch revenue, more freedom, plus their audience is just gonna follow them anyways. If leaving is so overwhelmingly beneficial, then all the talents have every reason to leave.

>>19779681
except the ceo is misaki's boyfriend ever since the yunity days

>>19780265
no one would join a corpo without corpo support anon. A model to stream with is cheap. CL gen1 models are ESPECIALLY CHEAP, just look at that quality. Their 3D models are also shit tier. Have you seen lumi's model?

>>19779071
their gen2 is all fucking great but i am concern for their career, cyberlife has way too many shades around

Just get Panda in Holo singers with Irys, Chapi, Yoko and Menance in HoloEN3,Enma and Inori in Nijisanji.
They don't deserve to rot in Cyberdead.
MyHolo gen2 all over again, grear fucking top tier talents for an absolute trash agency

>>19780900
i just cant fucking wait until any one of hylo, yuri. or lumi or even anyone of the talents still in CL to come out with some information about how black CL is. kek

>>19781003
CyberLive is not black, I can guarantee that, they're leaving for other reasons.

>>19765182
VShojo is more like a partner to the members than an employer, manager or owner.

>>19780900
Pandora just has to try to get in Hololive honestly
Speaking N1 japanese, good singing and living in japan are enough already to get in, her problems are terminal numberfag rot and the full time job she can't quit limit her streaming and music production (definetly has to pay 100% of it) a lot.

>>19764102
Oh honey, you haven't seen executives in the wild, have you?

>>19781062
Panda job definetly pays more than the vtuber gig, she has "highly qualified" worker japanese visa, last 5 years and is renewable unlike the shitty visa kiara had.
Probably the most loaded person in the agency.

>>19781687
Wasn't Kiara on a working holiday visa?
It's shitty but as long as your country has an agreement with Japan then you've got 1 year.
Regardless of qualifications.

>>19781884
Yes, and kiara used it.
Pandora can stay in japan as long she keeps her job

>>19780589
But they do have support though, they have their channels, social media, merch, streaming assets etc.? I don't know how much support you expect from an EN niche vtuber corporation that has 3k subs and their vtubers having 10k subs but it sure as hell not Hololive tier or even Vshojo tier. I think Cyberlive embodied their talent first mindset and gave them a little bit too much freedom. What drawbacks would any starting vtubers have by joining Cyberlife and getting the fuck out when they have everything? Seems to me that they pretty much can do anything on their streams and stream wherever and whenever they want. Cyberdumb is just ran by retards and their talents are exploiting them.

I will keep streaming Kagami no Panda
https://youtu.be/zOaneCkGOoE

>>19782390
>talents are exploiting them
>not the other way around
Are you even there at their debut?

>>19781193
She's also boring.

>>19782390
bro you are so delusional, nothing on this earth can save you

>>19782704
Long ass JRPG, Yu Gi Oh and Pokemon, all while streaming in free days or after 8+ hours of job
Not exactly the most buffing material.
No shit Valkyria Chronichle kills numbers, her top content is singing

>>19763747
Did those talents even have a lot of fans? Are they continuing as indies with their models, or just closing up shop?

I need to save this company

>>19783063
How will you do that?

>>19763890
>Lumi and Yuri pulled the ol’ Rosemi trick
kek

>>19765182
Vshojo... isn’t a true company anon... I’m sorry you had to find out this way.

>>19782967
They are 3views
No way they are dying

>>19779023
ethical? what a retarded move to lose money

>>19782967
>Are they continuing as indies with their models
This.

>>19769372
>become a manager
>instead of working hard to improve the company for her and her fellow members, bail as soon as it looks like she can get away with it without any loss.
>also takes her yuribait partner to continue getting yuribucks.
Somehow I'm not surprised.

>>19784193
why become manager in the first place then?

>>19764909
>Feb 6
>Mar 6
WTF
CL is going to become a case study for how to NOT run a streaming company. I can already hear the analysis scribbling away their dissertations right now

>>19765182
>>19765792
Vshoujo functions like a business association or masonic lodge for vtubers. It's more like a connections club that handles some scheduling and financial issues. Think of a business association like a union but they only let in rich people. Cyberlive is a trophy wife's hobby that her rich husband pumps money into to shut her up. He married her for her looks and the woman has no idea how to run a business.

>>19784507
she was really trying to help CL after Misaki went afk. probably realized after that it is beyond saving.

>>19782617
I think its safe to say both are exploiting each other..

>>19770019
Memory Hole Wactor's 10 or 11 graduations again. I dare you

>>19782617
>gtfo after you do your 3D Debut not even a month after
>gtfo after you get your 2nd outfit after a month
>keep said shit
>coordinate with each other to leave at the same time
>"we're actually not graduating you guys, we're just elopng teehee please follow us in becoming indie again"
>CL is left with only 2 of the original talents with nothing to show for and even gained more competition
If you think the talents were some sad marginalized vtubers forced to endure unspeakable evil by the big bad corpo, then I don't know what to tell you.

>>19763747
CL was simply way too generous with their contracts and assets. This company will never turn a profit and it behooves the girls to get their models and bounce before the source of funds dries up.

All we can do is continue to support the remaining talents, hope for a Gen 3, and hope things head in the right direction. I’m rooting for CyberLive.

>>19785148
Who? A company that shitty doesn’t belong on the relevant small corpo list.

>>19785326
CL is too stupid, as expected by a 17 year old manager and her stupid ass boyfriend funding it.

Face it, the model alone is not a draw that will get people to join. the company must also promise other things like support, marketing, and etc.

Anons pointed out a long time ago that this looks stupid because CL wouldnt have enough money to keep the support going. Evidently shown in the shit they have been doing officially.

From there you see Lumi trying to step up and help, see that shit is not fixable. Leaves.

>>19765052
But if you are a small corpo, how do you have the resources to provide anything for the talents?

>>19764196
so paying with exposure?

I think it could work well if you put in the contract that you'll also still earn a cut of their profits from superchat/merch for a few years if they still use the character after graduating. Just that you don't have control in what they do after graduating so you can't stop them if they dip the character into pornography.

>>19775641
Why would that matter? They barely do anything together as it is. It's more of a talent agency, not a Vtuber organization they just specifically deal with Vtubers. Most big streamers are part of the same handful of agencies but it doesn't mean they constantly stream together.

>>19785892
No, paying for the assets with money gained over time (or a buyout fee like MyHoloTV had) then giving them exposure after the fact.

>>19765270
>>19765182
vshoujo is more of a syndicate than a corp
pretty based, but not similar at all

>>19763747
>lumi the chink graduating
I'm not surprised, given her DD cover.

>>19767000
>2D models, Live2D rigging, and 3D models all cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars
Not true. Ames had her rigging done for 150$ and it's miles better than what hololive generally has.

>>19764102
probs

>>19767912
When did they debut and how long were they idols?

>>19763747
Didn't expect Lumi to be like this

>>19795690
She's a woman anon, this should have been expected.

Oh, so Lumi is graduating... Honestly I'm not surprised. I really enjoyed her during the final few months of 2021, but honestly there was always something that felt a little off with her, and ultimately I kind of just suspected she wasn't really enjoying her time as a vtuber. Kind of forgot about her since then and now here >we are...

>>19795690
At this point I just expect most of these girls to pull this shit sooner or later.

>>19787014
That's a different dynamic. For starters, it's a chibi model for VR, not a proper full body model. Then you have to account for the fact that exposure and reputation are a thing. If you're a no-name rigger and you're approached by fucking AMELIA WATSON for work, chances are you'll lowball the price because having her on your resume is way more valuable than a single lump sum.

>>19797678
She is graduating from CL but she will still continue to stream

>>19798331
Ah, well, hope it goes well for her then

>>19781062
fake insider
CL is 100% black, id advise everyone to keep an eye on these two and the rest of the small corpos in the next month for more info.

>>19771159
>>19774008
>reddit seething.

>>19766802
>>19764145
Based and Based

>>19766609
Soon you will take the redpill.

>>19765270
You have no clue what a black company do you? There are a number black companies that are in VTubbing, but Cover/Hololive isn't one of them.

>>19763747
> vtuber industry would be so much better if the corp just let the talents have tons of freedom in decision making and have tons of rights in the contract
> cyberlive ends up a mess management wise due to it.
> There are yabs because talents keep putting their friends unscreen from the /wvt/ scenes into mod positions.
> Talents exploit the company and try to min/max the contract to get out of the company after taking as much assets with them as possible

>>19781062
what are the words of a delusional anon worth?

>>19781884
>>19782045
Working holiday doesn't mean you can't get another visa right after. Any competent lawyer can get you a visa with the back up of a company, even in Japan. Kiara mostly got fucked over by travel restrictions, and she probably wanted to go home anyway.

Would be funny if there was some money laundering involved, but looks like that's too much for whoever runs this "company"

>>19765182
yet

>>19764196
Won't be anything left to advertise soon at this rate kek

>>19764196
>a chuuba transit station
I don’t think it’ll help them in sustainability, unless they had some kind of deal with bigger corpos/groups to sponsor them for this purpose.

>/here/ chuuba
>a backstabbing whore
Many such the case

why are you fags dicksucking to a company? embarrassing

>>19800642
Rather dicksucking a company than a legit backstabbing cunt, they are both gonna do it again given the chance.

>>19800642
Not every company is a black company, commiefag

ziassan

>>19799713
The company was paid for the model, they are in the green for any chuuba that leaves.

>>19801990
on top of that, today's revelations show that Lumi and Yuri paid for most of their models/etc. since their original models.

>>19771794
No, they just have two members on hiatus (Kallin and Hanabi)

> retarded management
> whore talents
Cyberlive is dead

>>19798102
You have no idea what you are saying because you didn't notice the correct name.

>>19785701
There's a reason why PC, Prism, and Kawaii were all started by millionaires

>>19763747
Thanks for the free model suckers lmao

>ever putting your trust into a woman to be loyal
lol, lmao

>>19763890
>Not even Cover buys their girls computers and mics to increase the stream quality
They do offer payment plans for hardware, so they aren't pure evil I guess

I will save Chipi
https://youtu.be/LQar1C5hac0

>>19806644
Cyberlive doesn't buy their talents hardware. This was never a thing.

>>19806828
https://twitter.com/lumikaneko/status/1455669564704964619
wdsmbt

>>19806644
they are doing it the smart way, they offer them a loan to buy new hardware if they need to, unlike cyberlive who just gifts them a brand new computer and other streaming equipment and just prays to god that they don't just take it and ditch,

>>19763747
omg

>>19799954
Kiara's a cosplayer, not exactly on the job of interest list, there's no way she could have gotten any sort of visa afterward, except a student visa.